President Bush yesterday hid as he often does in front of a politically safe audience and proceeded to mention the threat of “al Qaeda” over 90 times (by CNN’s count). The repetition was partly an effort to prove something no one has ever disputed — that the reason the small group of men who both identify with al Qaeda and are fighting in Iraq call themselves “Al Qaeda in Iraq” is because — and here the President paused to allow the full force of his newly discovered insight to sink in — “they are al Qaeda in Iraq.” Just like OBL in Baghdad.
The audience did not quite know what to make of this Presidential revelation, but I suspect many of them considered just for a moment the possibility that their Commander in Chief might not be up to the task of sorting out the real threats to our strategic interests, let alone discerning whether his efforts were helping or hurting the cause. It may even have occurred to some of them that the reason there are insurgents in Iraq identifying with al Qaeda when there weren’t before we invaded is because we are in Iraq with 160,000 US troops propping up a Shia regime that is allied to Shia Iran and unwilling to share power with the sectarian Sunni elements we’ve tried to marginalize.
But none of this matters, because the whole point of Mr. Bush’s endless al Qaeda repetitions was to implant ever more firmly in the minds of his dwindling supporters [h/t Digby] the absolute necessity of continued US fighting in Iraq as long as there is anyone in Iraq whom Mr. Bush might identify as al Qaeda. After all, he argues, as long as there are any left there, they could attack us here, so we have to fight them there. Never mind how illogical and unlikely this connection, it is a formulation guaranteed to keep us there forever, or until we’ve completely destroyed Iraq or our own Army, with the last likely to occur first.
While the President was revealing this political strategy, Michael Gordon, the Pentagon’s ever reliable press agent now embedded at the New York Times, was revealing the corresponding military strategy, as given to him by General Petraeus and his Joint Campaign Redesign Team. The interesting thing about Petreaus’ plan is that it bears no resemblence to the misleading impression he and the White House deliberately created during the Iraq withdrawal debate last week. Gordon’s press release proves, without Gordon saying it, that the Republicans were essentially misled by Petraeus, Rice and Hadley, who implored wavering Republicans to wait until September to assess the surge, while never mentioning that the real plan — the only plan there is — would leave the surge forces in Iraq for another year and probably into 2009.
Remember Stephen Biddle’s op ed arguing we either had to “go deep or get out”? Biddle was part of the strategic assessment team behind the plan, and guess what, we’re going deep. Now we know why the Washington Post carried his article last week; it was a plant to prepare us for the plan.
But what’s this? Gordon’s editors managed to slip in one revealing paragraph towards the end of his lengthy press release and buried on the inside pages:
The overarching goal, an American official said, is to advance political accommodation and avoid undercutting the authority of the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki. While the plan seeks to achieve stability, several officials said it anticipates that less will be accomplished in terms of national reconciliation by the end of 2009 than did the plan developed by General Casey. [my bold]
Got that? We replaced General Casey’s plan of training Iraqis and turning over security to them because it supposedly wasn’t working, and we’ve replaced it with a plan that will accomplish even less in promoting national reconciliation, even though promoting national reconciliation is the President’s current declared justification for the surge. But don’t worry, this time we have the right plan:
“We are going to try a dozen different things,” said one senior officer. “Maybe one of them will flatline. One of them will do this much. One of them will do this much more. After a while, we believe there is chance you will head into success. I am not saying that we are absolutely headed for success.”
Over 30 years ago, I was a radio operator in the First Cavalry Division, operating in the jungles of Viet Nam, and one of my jobs was to call in “medevac” helicopters to carry out our killed and wounded. During my tour (’69-’70), we went through one of these mindless strategy changes by our generals. Some regard it as disrespectful to suggest all that was in vain. But we’ve been here before; you can see the signs. And we’re going to need another wall.
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oleo strut?
Zed!
Zed
Hi. Trying to catch up.
hi
caw caw caw!
Scarecrow,
Might as well start the design competition now. Something somber to reflect on the wasted lives combined with the idiocy of the leaders who created the waste.
Excellent post, Scarecrow!
dakine01 @ 7
The shape of a duncecap comes to mind.
I had the misfortune of hearing this speech on CSPAN Radio yesterday afternoon. I just can’t imagine how anyone can listen to this man babble the way he does and think that he is competant to lead this nation. Listen to him! His “evidence” was from the “testimony” of alleged terorists we have captured. Given the track record of this administration in truthfulness how can anyone honestly believe either (1) that what the President reports the suspect said was actualy said or (2) that if the suspect actually did say these things, that they constitute any sort of actionable information?!!! When are we going to impeach this criminal cabal?
The cynicism of it all.
Don’t worry, there won’t be any Bush’s, Cheneys or Kristols or Kagans on the front line of the surge that never ends.
Remember, it is a “surge” not a massive, years long escalation, it’s a surge.
-GSD
BigMitch @ 9
All the neocons who didn’t serve go on the duncecap.
The “powers that be” will never allow a wall for this nasty war of theirs. They will want everyone to forget it and just move along – without being partisan of course.
We should have some sort of memorial, however, and it should reflect that this should never happen again. No more dead American children for lost causes and for the wrong reasons.
We need to impeach them for our troops freedom.
Hamelia patens
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu…..ebush.html
Make me a teeshirt.
wow. Scarecrow. caws.
‘Going Deep’ is the only strategy Shrub will consider! It has only one goal; Run out the clock and hand over this travesty to the Dems in ‘09! That is the only objective of this Maladministration!!!
“We are going to try a dozen different things,” said one senior officer. “Maybe one of them will flatline. One of them will do this much. One of them will do this much more. After a while, we believe there is chance you will head into success. I am not saying that we are absolutely headed for success.”
Good God! Is this “senior officer” aware enough to know he sounds like a Monty Python skit?
When the new “wall” is designed it should be in the shape of an altar — an altar built to worship the ego of Little Boots, the Emperor with No Clothes.
The only goal of this crowd was to transfer wealth. Ya gotta hand it to them (pun intended), they were extremely successful. They could give a rat’s ass about the rest.
CTuttle @ 17
I’ve been spinning around in a time warp. I hit “another wall” and ended up at 5:00 AM this morning..then I did the whole thing again…D’oh….
Nevermind…;>
Youkillednoodle @ 19
‘Mission Accomplished’!!! ;-)
Good evening everyone. Busy day, huh?
CNN’s Blitzer can’t replay often enough the phony disagreement between Hillary/Obama on whether we might talk to Iran, et al. Both would agree that the answer is “Uh, yes, but you have to do prep first and make sure it’s worthwhile.”
What a stupid, contrived story, and CNN’s foreign affairs “expert” can’t figure out that the cynics in Hillary’s campaign knew the media would misplay it as a disagreement.
your post as always scarecrow is excellant
however it begs the question;
how can the president possibly plan for prolonged occupation when he knows as a fact beyond facts that the next president will get us out immediately
that includes repuke licans by the way
the questiion is telling in itself…how can he possibly plan for prolinged engagement if Iraq
?
the answer is of course frightening but it looms ever more large…he doesn’t plan on leaving office…the spokes of the wheel are in place, he has decreed the authority to be the sole proprietor of our government in a “catastrophy”
who declares an event a “catastrophy” anyway???…why, he does of course
it’s knowing that Bush keeps making it worse, every which way.
and the esclation, I see only more blood, more bodies.
Good place for that wall would have been in Texas on Cindy’s property.
The internet has not helped this administration at all. How would things have changed if there was a blogosphere back then, Scarecrow?
Scarecrow @ 22
I love how “they” like to “frame” “our” candidates. The media are all “faux”, soon to be joined by WSJ and the stockmarket. Love it. Not.
Scarecrow @ 22
Just as ignorant as their constant harping of the ‘Dry Runs’ at airports!
My correction. This was one of the better quotes of the day.
The Oleo Strut was an anti war coffee house in Killeen, Texas, where Fort Hood is located. It is not really a place amenable to such establishments.
I returned from the VA Medical Center (The one closest to Ft Hood, coincidentally) today, it saddens me greatly to see the young folks there in ever increasing numbers. At the Outpatient Clinic which I go to I was told they are running three PTSD Groups a week, all filled to a capacity of forty.
perris — I can get to a prolonged engagement without a coup — all it takes is convincing the public of the illogical connections Bush is making now, and leaving in place a set of Generals and conditions that leave no other options that any future president would want to accept on their watch. As long as the next President accepts the underlying premise that America has a duty to project it’s power in the middle east in pursuit of American exceptionalism, you’ve got all the ingredients you need.
Another wall????
My heart hurts!
eCAHNomics @ 28
It certainly makes it a lot more accurate!
Hi all
In the middle of the front page of our local paper our Rep says “We must have a decisive victory in Iraq” He’s been to Iraq and hes knows. I am going to find out from him just what a decisive victory looks like.
http://www.greenevillesun.com/…..sid=142595
Why doesn’t anybody listen to Murtha?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..5/us-iraq/
and moving to group services for the dead, like a production line.
a fake clinton/obama controversy is CNN’S important story?
between the clinton and bush years, best i can figure we’ve caused the deaths of about 1.5 million iraqis and made more than 4 million iraqis refugees.
some days it’s all too much…. i just can’t wrap my mind around it.
i HATE this fucking war. (all of it – through 3 usa presidents)
We are being provoked. Hansel and Gretel.
Step outta line, the men come, and take you away…
Scarecrow @ 30
Another reason why the recess is a horrible idea.
ccmask @ 25
Well, there was some, but not enough. I’d like to think that a persistent progressive blogosphere would make it harder for a wayward Administration to sell a complete fabrication as a pretext for war — but who knows? Look what’s happening wrt to Iran. The main thing that’s keeping us from getting bogged down in three countries is the fact we’re bogged down in two and have run out of troops. When I hear folks like Kerry argue we need more troops in our armed forces, I just shake my head.
ABC News Brian Ross reported tonight on his investigation of the plan to plunk a new US embassy right in the middle of Hizbollah territory in Lebanon. The land’s already bought–for $22 million. Sure would like to know where the money went.
And I just came across an Isikoff report on the Newsweek Online site about a Negroponte letter further discrediting Gonzales.
The MSM is ratcheting up. In time? Or too little too late? History may well judge the Bush years as America’s darkest hour.
One of the sobering experiences of my youth was following the trial of a young Vietnam vet accused of killing a cab driver and then surrendering his identification to a sheriff’s office. First known defense using PTSD.
The horrors inflicted on this nation’s serving families for the corrupt incompetence of Bush will last for decades. That will be this gang’s “monument.”
I ‘ve thought a lot about walls and what they symbolize.
-Berlin Wall
-Israeli Wall
-U.S.-Mexican Wall
-Gated Communities in U.S.
-Walls around Baghdad neighborhoos
-Vietnam Wall.
In two words: failure & fear.
Very unAmerican to have so much fear. Weren’t we suppose to be the land of the brave? Weren’t we supposed to be the shining city on the hill?
KO on contempt!!!
Leahy to be on KO tonight!
I saw the Gordon piece yesterday and it brought into my mind Vietnam. It isn’t just the change in strategies and moving the goal posts again. It is the lying. We have a general corps in Iraq that feels it can lie with impunity. It was precisely that lying in Vietnam that cast the military into disrepute for more than a decade after that conflict. But as Iraq shows us, the generals learned nothing from Vietnam. Indeed this is worse than Vietnam because here the generals had the blueprint of the Powell Doctrine to follow and instead chose to violate every one of its tenets. The result is there for all to see.
I say fire Generals Petraeus, Odierno, their mouthpiece Bergner, and Ambassador Crocker.
Pushback!!
KO has Bruce Fein on tonight.
Bruce Fein (the guy who was on with Moyers re: impeachment) also on KO.
This looks like a great one.
As long as the next President accepts the underlying premise that America has a duty to project it’s power in the middle east in pursuit of American exceptionalism, you’ve got all the ingredients you need.
And which of the candidates, outside of Kucinich and Paul, don’t buy the underlying premise? Gore too, probably.
Scarecrow @ 39
Well, you have a lot of parents out there not allowing their kids to sign up. Bush really ruined things for the military or they ruined it for themselves. My son had planned all along on going into the military but when he graduated from high school Bush was in. There went that.
Loo Hoo @34 “Why doesn’t anybody listen to Murtha?”
Because he actually knows what he is talking about. He has participated in warfare unlike the cheerleading chickenhawks that demand unconditional victory and are prepared to fight to the last man in order to achieve it.
Scarecrow said:
Or both, Scarecrow. Or both.
I sometimes wonder what if Bush is conducting a vendetta against America for his father’s political “death” in the same mode as his vendetta against Saddam. In the meantime the cronies crow and profiteer.
And words we’ve heard before…the big fool says to push on.
He(KO) just said March. It was May 10, 2004.
Wow, sounds like Gonzales will need a criminal law attorney, specializing in perjury indictments.
“We are going to try a dozen different things,” said one senior officer. “Maybe one of them will flatline…..”
How’d you like the contractor who built your house talking like that?
“Nails weren’t working out so well, kept bending ‘em, so we’re gonna try staples….” All the while framing Iraq as some kind of eternally-willing subject for their neocon sandbox tinkering.
Our OPTIONS have flatlined. There ARE no more.
“We’re gonna need another wall.”
We sure are, Scarecrow.
Luckily enough, Halliburton, Bechtel, and any number of american construction companies, have been ramping up for the past 4 and a half years, in Iraq. Those guys have poured enough concrete blast barriers, and have walled in enough Iraqi cities, to have built a freeway from here to the planet Saturn.
Of course, the word “contractor” has taken on a new definition. In Webster’s, it’s in process of replacing the phrase “armed-to-the-teeth-mercenary” as we speak, but that’ll just make the bidding process for the new wall, go more smoothly.
(Unless Dick Cheyney, trying to earn his 175 thou-a-year “residuals” from Halliburton, starts making phone calls to fuck things up.)
Provocation. Who’s provoking Tony?
More shades of VN:
H’mmm. 250,000 bullets to kill just one insurgent. Wasn’t it Mary McCarthy who said during VN, “Gives me $500,000 and I’ll kill a VN Communist.”
Quote from http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs62.html
Hugh 44 — yep; it’s the persistent lying that gets to you. The Generals in my time always seemed more incompetent than dishonest — victim of a world view that bore no relationship to the realities in Viet Nam.
Schuster says Abu serious trouble now that there is documentary evidence. Democrats can demand a special prosecutor.
(But who would make the appointment?)
nonplussed @ 49
As long as “the last man” isn’t one of them or their children!
FunnyDiva
1,588 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
Brother ‘crow, where were ya with the Cav…were you folks still base camped in Ahn Ke or had ya moved north by then. I was at the 85th Evac in Qui Nhon in ‘66-67…we took care of a lotta 1st Cav troopers (1st Marines and 4th Division folks too).
We have indeed been here before…that’s why those of us who were there who are still drawin’ breath owe it to those who didn’t make it back to call BULLSHIT on the same criminal bastards who profited from the 10 years of blood and death in Vietnam who are now engorgin’ themselves on the blood of more GI’s and poor Iraqis.
We must somehow get thru to those in our country who have not experienced the killing of the soul that is war that no one is safe. At some point in war, the individual loses a part of his moral structure and is destined to spend the rest of his life first coming to understand what has happened and then working through the rest of his life in quiet desperation tryin’ to make amends with the history of those who did not survive. I believe that this phenomenon happens to nations as well as individuals…at some point, a part of the moral integrity of a nation and it’s culture are lost to the war and the best that can be done is to work politically to save the innocence of the next generation and offer penance to the survivors.
I believe that, as vets, we owe it to the kids today to fight to expose the profiteers and the high priests of war who are killing our history as a nation and smotherin’ the future of the next generation.
So thank you brother scarecrow and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…GOD IS WATCHIN’!!
Loo Hoo. @ 57
The Solicitor General, both AGAG and DAG have to recuse themselves!
squiddy @ 53
Thanks, Squiddy
That line struck me as completely idiotic as well. If you had a dozen good options 1- 2- or 3 years ago, why the F**K haven’t you tried them?
Shorter Senior Officer: Well, we’re completely flailing, but we think Americans are too stupid to call us on our BS.
FunnyDiva
SC I have lots of Vietnam Vet friends, some of them hunkered down in the hills of southeastern Ohio. One of them was one of those helicopter pilots. The stories they tell are both enlightening and horrendous.
It amazed me how many Vets (WWII, Korean, Vietnam, and Desert Storm Vets) that I talked with before the invasion at the anti-invasion marches and in VFW’s and Moose lodges were completely against the invasion.
Cover-up, false testimony.
To quote Bush, “Bring it On”.
To quote Texas Governor Perry, “Mofos”.
Shuster doing a great job, as usual, laying out the case in support of the subpoenas.
And it looks like from the AP story that there are still whistleblowers hidden in DoJ trying to give Congress just enough to force Gonzales out. I’ve been afraid they were all purged.
Leahy’s giving AGAG an out. Why?
NorskeFlamethrower @ 59
Read, Repeat, Rinse, and Repeat!!!
snowbird42; for God’s sake, ask congressman Davis how we’re going to get that “decisive victory”! And ask him if he’ll sell us some stock in the corporation that’s going to deliver it.
I know a pseudo-cowboy and a political party who, right now, will pay some SERIOUS bucks for THAT plan.
Leahy-
Agrees with Harmon. Abu has another chance to look at his testimony.
Why do they get to correct their testimony???
eCAHNomics @ 65
He wants more??? Or, what? Something’s up. Dare I think. Jeebus, please no.
Loo Hoo. @ 59
Attorney General Ken Starr (recess-appointed Aug. 15)
Loo Hoo. @ 67
that was flat out lying, not a bit of a fib!
Loo Hoo. @ 57
You know that is a very interesting question because just about everybody at Justice would have to recuse themselves. Margolis maybe? Certainly not Abu or McNulty.
Loo Hoo. @ 67
Leahy must think it is possible that the pressure will get so awful that Gonzo will talk. I don’t think so but maybe.
Leahy cannot imagine any president who would keep Abu on. This is an administration who talks law and order, and he has never seen such comtempt.
“Provoking”
I hate when the Republicans always mention, by the way, these troops are volunteer troops. As if being a volunteer somehow allows the administration to get away with lying them into a war.
eCAHNomics @ 66
How’s that?
Norske — 1st Cav had several regiments there; mine was 1st of the 12th, spent much time in Central and parts west of Saigon, closer to Cambodia. Had buddies in other units. Several LZs just cleared out of the jungles, a couple of mountains to give clear firing for the 105s/155s, etc. Never looked at a map except one small enough to keep track of our guys.
Who is the #2 man after Abu?
ccmask @ 78
Yes. You volunteered, so you’re gonna die, what’s your problem.
Time for, “Hell no we won’t go”. Where is the military? What is their oath????
ccmask @ 79
McNulty until September IIRC
Loo Hoo. @ 67
That’s the way the system is established, it is a courtesy extended to all testifiers, as Leahy said, if no corrections are made it will be prosecuted!
ccmask @ 75
Yeah, I’d say it actually makes it WORSE.
Oh, and how many of those “volunteers” have actually volunteered since, say, the fiasco at Tora Bora? All those “ready reserve” volunteers, what about them?
Shameful. Or would the admin argue that the entire US Armed Forces serve “at the pleasure of the President?”
Feh.
FunnyDiva
nonplussed @ 49
As long as those men and women are not relatives or friends of theirs they could care less
Kathleen @ 76
Leahy sez he’s asked AGAG to review his testimony again & make changes. Why does he weaken the case this way? On top of everything else, that means the false story’s in the public domain the the more accurate version is hidden in some musty file drawer.
Do not let them provoke us. Hang tough.
CTuttle @ 82
Keith said Abu’s spokesman says Abu stands by his testmony. That won’t last. Who found the docs? They should hav STFU until the time period has passed.
ccmask @ 77
good point
Norske –
Amen.
Attorney General Abu
Deputy Attorney General McNulty
Associate Attorney General Mercer (acting)
Solicitor General Paul Clement
Abu, McNulty, and Mercer are all involved in the firings scandal. Both McNulty and Mercer have announced their resignations. Mercer is trying to go back to the USA position in Montana.
In the chain of command it looks like Clement the number 4 man at the DOJ would be the one to make the decision. I don’t think his name has come up in the scandal.
eCAHNomics @ 87
I left this downstairs but this thread seems to have evolved toward the topic of the day, abu torture so I guess I’ll repeat what I had to say;
we know it was time for him to go along time ago and yet the pissident can’t afford to let him go, if he goes, whoever replaces him will have to earn confirmation and anyone (except liar man) who earns conirmation will know what is and what is not illegal
the president can never let abu torture go until he has a replacement acknowledge to him that he will be protected
which leads me to another epiphame;
if congress goes on recess abu gets “resigned” and is his successor is recess apointed
look for yu to replace him or some equally depraved neo con
Folks! As Arlen made abundantly clear in yesterday’s hearing, it would be the Solicitor General who would appoint the ‘Special Prosecutor’! AGAG and DAG would have to recuse themselves as they are the principal individuals being investigated!
I doubt if you or I perjured ourselves so blatantly we would be given an opportunity to correct our testimony! I tire of the double standard of justice, zero tolerance for so many, 1 out of every 126 Americans imprisoned. But go ahead, give the Country’s highest Law official, a moralizing, hang ‘em high hypocrite, an opportunity to amend his lies.
Fein says the American people need to decide if we want impeachment. Hell YES!
eCAHNomics @ 87
Leahy may be giving the out, but Gonzo isn’t going to admit anything. Leahy can then say they gave the AG every opportunity to correct his testimony. Its a safe bet for Leahy.
Militarily, we can take out Iraq from the air. But what the military can not do for Bush is to win it politically for him. And if Bush had taken the time to read his father’s book, would have known that. I mean, can you imagine your father writing a book and not reading it???
Bruce Fein (Conservative constitutional lawyer from Reagan WH) on KO giving case for impeachment
Just Googled “War Czar” and got the stuff about (not) filling the position, nothing more recent. What has happened to Gen. Douglas Lute since then? (Google doesn’t give anything more recent for “Gen. Douglas Lute”.)
Isn’t that odd? Or are we just accepting that these guys are easily distracted, along with 99% of the American public.
Helen @ 89
Sure wonder what else this person has found and handed over!
Fein covering the various EOs Chimpenfuhrer has issued
Fein says the strongest case is the secret government and illegal surveillance. Also enemy combatant claims.
Keith adds (from conservative blog) confiscating property if they help Iraqis. Fein says this is nowhere in the constitution.
Countdown identifier of Bush scenes “Offal Office”
Loo Hoo. @ 93
The people have already decided. It’s our reps who refuse to move.
Need a vacation? Against the war? Come vacation in August with Bush in Kennebunkport
http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs07252007.html
behindthefall @ 97
Very odd. He’s an unperson…
I would have to think the pressure is building on the Speaker regarding impeachment.
behindthefall @ 100
Last week when Hadley was lobbying Senators on the withdrawal amendment, Hadley had Lute in tow.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Not if you ask Cindy Sheehan.
eCAHNomics @ 105
Fein “Impeachment is the cure for a constitutional crisis”
How could impeachment proceedings hurt the Democrats in 2008?
Zee @ 94
This is standard practice to leave the record open and allow witnesses to correct their answers. Also Senators reserve the right to ask further written questions for the witness to reply to in writing. So things are fairly flexible until the record is deemed complete and closed.
Loo Hoo. @ 100
That is true, but, precedence has been established from tactics utilized by the War on Drugs!
What a sad prospect to think of another Wall because we were lied into a war and/or because we never learn. Five years later we are still in Iraq waiting for candy and flowers. With the proposal now to plan til at least ‘09. What sin and senselessness and tragedy. Impeachment would not bring back any lives, but it may spread some accountability and shed some light. Can we get there?
Paul Clement: wiki: now a partner at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, LLP. Clement went on to serve as Chief Counsel of Subcommittee on the Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. Clement joined the United States Department of Justice in February 2001. He also argued many of the key cases in the lower courts involving challenges to the President’s conduct of the war on terrorism.
Hugh @ 92
Marcy says Clement has a Conflict of Interest
They should hav STFU until the time period has passed.
I agree. Why not let him look over his testimony and not fix it. Are all of the networks reporting this or did Keith pull an exclusive??
Juan Cole….Bush reviving Al Queda
great article
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f…..ex_np.html
Loo Hoo. @ 115
See Prairie Sunshine @ 40.
Scarecrow @ 108
Was he on a leash?
ccmask @ 115
I.E. Fans of our Constitution can trust him no further than we can fling him.
Helen @ 116
I thought McNulty was “outside of the loop” on the firings?
allan_in_upstate @ 117
Orange jump suit, chains, hood, ear mufflers. Electric wires attached to his limbs. Three snarling dogs.
The Democrats need to do impeachment. This is the moment. So far my party hasn’t come to grips with the fact that they are not yet connecting to the voters.
Hmmmm. Could it remotely be possible that Gonzo is looking for a way “out” from the cabal??? Perhaps there have been behind the doors talks that we don’t know about. Perhaps the cabal has thrown him under the bus and is threatening him and his family. Who knows? He did make a point to say in his testimony that he was not coached by anyone at the WH. They have put him in a terrible position – how? Or, not.
Feinstein endorses Clinton.
http://www.juancole.com/
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
US-Iran Alliance Against Sunni Guerrillas?
US Security Plan Envisages Troop Presence to 2009
The headlines will probably concentrate on the shouting match between US Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Iranian diplomat Hassan Kazemi Qomi at their meeting in Baghdad. Crocker accused the Iranians of giving training and weapons to Shiite militias, some of which ended up being used against US troops in Iraq. The Iranian diplomat denied the charges. But in my view the money graf in this Telegraph report is this one:
I think that the position of War Czar consists of sitting beside a swimming pool somewhere, sipping drinks w/ little umbrellas, getting massages, and generally being treated nicely.
While waiting to inevitably be fired and blamed for screwing up the war in Irak.
LS @ 125
The way he’s handling himself, the only out he’s going to have is a several-year time out in prison.
MSNBC: Special Report: White House in Crisis!
Happy Birthday Jane!
We are partisans for the Constitution. Our domestic enemy of the Constitution,is the Bush Crime family. They give us the “Blocking Property” memo; the secret plan for Dictatorship, even too secret for Congress; the brand spanking new program to spy on Americans, a secret army of loyal Bushies who spy on us?
Did I leave anything out?
Obama is a constitutional scholar. He could speak out; what would be the downside. He sees himself as a change agent, the man of hope, and openness. If we are saying the country wants impeachment, it seems he would have support and the audience.
Helen @ 113
So if Clement trasmitted the OLC opinion that Fielding could invoke Executive privilege, then he does indeed have a conflict. Will anyone raise it though? I don’t know. But there are only 4 leadership posts in the DOJ. After that, it goes down to the divisional level. So I don’t know who would be next. Alice Fisher is the head of the Criminal Division but she’s pretty much of a hack too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 124
I think some of you need to come to grips with the fact that the Democrats have 48 Senators, an ill Tim Johnson, a quite reliable Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), and the despicable Joe Lieberman (I-Lie)…against 49 members of the cheney-bush crime family.
If you want to overthrow the emperor, you’d best be sure about it. I think going after the AGAG is the way to do it, and the Democrats are getting there.
LS @ 125
If Gonzales showing signs that he might start cooperating, then now is not the time for Leahy to treat him with kid gloves.
Quite the contrary.
If Gonzales shows any signs of weakness or indications that he might want to cut a deal, the Democrats in Congress should nevertheless continue to ratchet up the pressure on Gonzales until it becomes unbearable for him.
They need to keep Gonzales in the vice until he starts truly cooperating, and not a second sooner.
A week or so ago I heard something on the radio that made my stomach drop to my knees. I think it was on KCBS. The commentator was saying it was time for the “party elders” to have a talk with W and then recounted similar events with LBJ and Nixon. What made my stomach lurch was that he said at the time the party elders had their talk with LBJ, only 5% of the people whose names were on the wall were dead.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 123
So do I. Please don’t shoot….
Still Jane’s birthday hope she is having fun and taking care. Happy Birthday again Jane!
eCAHNomics @ 122
Sounds like a John Yoo Christmas party.
Scarecrow @ 109
Hadley tows Lute who tugs a little boy who pulls a duck on wheels. The duck flaps its wings and quacks. Makes as much sense as anything else …
bhatten @ 131
Good point. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. He was also president of the Harvard Law Review. He knows his stuff. Thus, his failure to speak out more forcefully and consistently against the Bush administration’s destruction of the Consitution is frankly pathetic and shameful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPki3rpvdJg
Frank 33, when is the MSNBC special?
GSD @ 11
Years ago, we used to call that an “escalation.”
Too bad Georgie porgie doesn’t know what “breaking the army” means. He is totally clueless.
Bob in HI
allan_in_upstate @ 135
Not nice to make fun of the next Attorney General of the United States.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 133
I am well aware of this. The view here to have hearings, stands.
Kathleen @ 119
That was what he said but after his water carrying performance in his Congressional testimony I have my doubts. Also his chief of staff Elston said McNulty told him to call some of the fired USAs and threaten them to stay quiet or else. Elston has also since resigned.
Loo Hoo. @ 136
I won’t. ;0)
Loo Hoo. @ 140
KO used that as the lead-in to the Fein segment
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 130
True! We would need to have at least 27 of the Repugs to cross over, only 22 are up for reelection! A conviction in the Senate has a snowball’s chance in hell!!!
jayt @ 144
Stop. That’s not even funny!
A conviction in this house is not the issue. The hearings are.
New postup by Alfred.
Jumpin in late. I didn’t know you were a Nam Vet Scarecrow. I was in the 1st Signal Brigade and we had signal shots all over III Corps and I got to know a couple of grunts operating in the Michelin plantation.
I just started the biography of Bernard Fall written by his wife. She was prompted to finish it after Mac Namara’s bullshit book came out claiming there was no one who understood Vietnam in the early stages. She makes the great case that Fall was just such and expert and he was totally ignored and then put on the shot list because he tried to warn us that it was a rat hole we shouldn’t go down.I really had hoped we had learned something from that cluster fuck but obviously we didn’t.
ccmask @ 150
Greenwald did a number on Yoo, showing that he was against executive privilege claims (Clinton) before he was for them (Bush). Hobgoblins of little minds?
Loo Hoo. @ 140
That was the announcement between commercials. I thought it will be the new theme for at least KO, of all the scandals.
Hugh @ 146
Here’s some more fun: In his testimony on April 19, Abu said that Sampson put together the list. He also said that one of his regrets was that McNulty, who knew the USAs the best, should have been more involved. Then, on May 15th, the day after McNulty resigned Gonzales told the press that actually it was McNulty who put the list together. This prompted McNulty’s second?? round of testimony where McNulty said, “Um, no wasn’t me.”
perris @ 23
One answer is that he is busy creating facts on the ground that will make it difficult or impossible for the next president to do the right thing. This is a trick he learned from Ariel Sharon, whom he deeply admired.
I’m worried about that, too. But my so-called “progressive” congresscritter doesn’t seem to be worried by that at all. Maybe there’s something in the water in Washington, DC.
Bob in HI
Oklahoma kiddo @ 151
Wouldn’t just as much come out in hearings on Abu – with an actual chance of conviction?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 130
It is not about having the votes in advance. It’s about the process. Only about half as many Americans supported impeachment at the beginning of his impeachment investigation as do now for Bush. I think investiation in the House and Senate could well force the Republicans to bail on Bush. Otherwise they would be in an even worse position come November 2008. But win, lose, or draw, we need forceful investigations into the incompetence and criminality of this Administration otherwise we are just asking for it to happen again.
al Qaeda is a creation of the U.S. intelligence community, figuratively & literally, in every sense. Even the term “al Qaeda” is our creation…coined by the CIA to describe the names on one of their lists.
As such, al Qaeda is everywhere & nowhere, as it suits their creators.
And George Bush? He’s simply selling francises.
CTuttle @ 149
This is so wrong I don’t know where to begin.
Even if conviction is not achieved, the value of impeachment would be to investigate wrongdoing by the Bush administration without being limited by assertions of executive privilege. Yes, you heard correctly. If impeachment charges are brought by the House, their powers of investigation supercede executive privilege. Do you think they might find anything interesting with this power?
Which leads me to a second point – you can’t, can’t, can’t count votes in the Senate now.
What if the impeachment process brought to light irrefutable evidence that Bush was spying on his political rivals using his wiretapping powers? Do you think that might shift the votes in the Senate a bit? And this is just one example of the sort of thing that could be exposed through impeachment. The odds that we find nothing of interest are absurdly low.
And even if we didn’t ultimately have the votes to convict in the Senate, we would have still done the nation and the Constitution an invaluable service by exposing the full scope of the Bush administration’s wrongdoing.
ccmask@152
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWZA
Bob Schacht @ 157
I wouldn’t necessarily berate Abercrombie, he has teamed up with Bluedog Tanner to demand a strategy, within 60 days, for withdrawal from Iraq! Kitv had an excellent report yesterday about it!
Fine should be hired by the Dems to impeach
Bush, et.al.
He is a legal wizard
Have you ever heard of Norman Borlaug?
Frank33 @ 153
It was how they intro’d his previous show on MSNBC back in the “All Monica, All the time” days.
Lew has a new thread on the Padilla trial.
I hope we don’t end up needing another memorial with that many names on it.
But if we do, it should be a statue of Bush in his flight suit standing on a block of granite with the names on it.
Because that’s exactly how Bush sees the situation. The soldiers lives are just a small price to pay for his greatness.
XYZ@161, I think the impeachment process is necessary, I was arguing that a conviction is not going to occur, regardless how damning the evidence should be! If we haven’t learned anything from the last 6 1/2yrs, it is the fact the Repugs will vote party over country, everytime!!!
Fern @ 158
I can’t say if “just as much (would) come out…”
And there is the issue of sending a message to future presidents. ;0)
ccmask @ 152
slfred writes well and his analysis is nice, but spector has done this to us before
he is in the pocket of someone in the administration…he himself has a skeleton
every time it looks like he is gonna do the write thing he stabs the country, the constitution in the back
do not get your hopes up on spector
now, he might be playing a mighty looking hand but in it preparing the administration for what they are considering.
this might be an elalborate method for getting the president to imunize himself against the action
how can this be done since congress and the scotus is imune from executive interferance?
why, signing statements, why, decrees, why, executive orders
this president and this administration are brazen, the hotter it gets the more brazen and in your face they become
they will simply say
errr….we dicided that interperatation is incorrect
just as they “decided” their “enhanced interrogation” wasn’t torture.
this is getting ugly
dakine01 @ 164
I do not want to be too obsessed with Government gone Wild reports. There are also plenty of attractive, missing white women stories that should be covered-not.
*xyz @ 161
Actually, we’ve had quite a few votes that let us count where the Senate rethuglicans stand on this.
Not nearly enough support the Constitution, unlike back in the Watergate days when some Republicans did put country before party. Today, they stand squarely with the bush-cheney crime family, as do their enablers in the corporate media.
Going after the AGAG is the smart way to go. Or Cheney, for that matter.
Loo Hoo. @ 70
Because Congress is in the business of truth-finding, not catching crooks and punishing them. Even with impeachment, the only “punishment” they can impose is removal from office. The more practical but implicit punishment, however, is to discredit the miscreant.
I saw Watergate as more a victory for our Constitutional form of government than as punishment of Nixon. That’s what I want now, too. I want Bush, and Gonzales and Cheney and Rove OUT OF OFFICE NOW. Then let a rebuilt DOJ figure out if they committed any crimes, and indict them accordingly. But my priority is to get them out of office as soon as possible. Tomorrow would be good. Today would be better.
Bob in HI
Bob in HI
Bay State Librul @ 164
Brilliant! They did set aside, was it 25 million, for investigations?
Joint Campaign Redesign Team always reminds me of The New Nixon.
Scarecrow @ 80
Welcome home, Scarecrow from a fellow ground-pounder. I was with 3rd Force Recon Company up north until August 69 when we were brought down and those of us who weren’t elibible for rotation stayed around with 1st Force out of Danang.
Remember permanent routines?? Way too many permanent routines happening again.
Prairie Sunshine @ 51
For those who have forgotten, this is a reference to Pete Seeger’s The Big Muddy.
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 157
Disagree. These are last ditch defensive moves. 17 top level open positions in DOJ. 40% of top level DHS positions open. Look how much Bush has aged in the last year. Look how insane Tony Snow has gotten. And Gonzo. All that’s left are the loyalists. The time to worry was back in 2004 / 2005. Now is the time to laugh openly at the morons, mock them, ridicule them, humiliate them. If the public doesn’t respect them, the media can’t keep it up. When the media starts laughing at them, it’s over.
Seriously, there’s no one left but the certifiable nutcases. They make a lot of noise, but there’s not that many of them.
*xyz @ 161
AMen.
I’m so with this plan. As I have said, I was very anti-impeachment for many of the self-fulfilling reasons given. Now, I feel it is imperative.
jello5929 @ 168
The Bush War Memorial
Bob Schacht @ 178
Bush wanted the U.S. to implode? Sure looks like it. I mean they keep telling us the economy is doing great. That seems to be what is important to people..
Yet people around the world keep wondering when the Americans are going to feel something about the death and destruction that the Bush administrations invasion has caused in Iraq
Oklahoma Kiddo@124: speaking numbers common sense, again. Good job, Okla. :o)
We, ALL of us, need to keep in mind the simple fact that whatever REAL steps are taken to bring our troops home, or to force Cheyney, and then Bush (and if it happens, THAT will be the order of it) out of office, the republicans are going to have to HELP, and help a lot.
And, more unpleasant facts:
Iraq isn’t hurting them enough yet. But it’s starting to, and there is not much, if anything, they can do, to stop the pain from increasing.
The political landscape and “culture” for this election is going to move faster, and be more out of anyone’s control, than any since Lincoln was elected in 1860. 6 months from now we could be looking back at this period, as “the good old days”; with the country as riven with polarity and dissent as it was during Vietnam.
It may be; probably will be, a crucible through which we have to pass, courtesy of the americans who helped put george bush within a Supreme Court decison of the white house, and the number of americans who “rallied around the president” to funnel-chug the kookaid-and-snakeshit “intelligence”.
jello5929 @ 168
Lot’s more soldiers are surviving this disaster, injured for life but they survived. This means less names on that memorial.
Kathleen @ 111
The Republicans will try to portray it as partisan “piling on”, and they’ll get willing mouthpieces like Cokie Roberts at NPR to use that language, so it will shift the focus to “piling on” and away from “crimes and misdemeanors”. We need to start using “crimes and misdemeanors” language, over and over.
If President Bush can mention Al Qaeda and Iraq together 90 times in one speech, we can do the same thing with “crimes and misdemeanors.” Hopefully, we can get our congresscritters to do the same.
Bob in HI
There is Al Quida ( a Bin Laden Corporation)
There is Al Quida-in-Iraq ( a Franchise )
There is America fighting Al Quida-in-Iraq (the framschise).
And there is America fighting Al Quida, in Iraq. (A wordplay suggesting we are fighting the corporation in Iraq when we are really fighting the franchise, plus the Shia, plus the warlords and tribes. But you don’t get to hear all that. You just associate the word Al Quida with Iraq instead of Pakistan or wherever–where BushCO claims it has been all along.
Frank33 @ 130
Yes, but there are space limits here in the comments section.
Bob in HI
ccmask @ 78
not to mention abusing the hell out of them
It looks like Jet Blue may get some more cancellations. Or it is a bu***hit story.
Or a textbook case for the theory of trickle down on comics.
HEADLINE: Impeachment call cancels ski trips
JULY 25-
TELLURIDE — A backlash quickly emerged after the Telluride Town Council adopted a resolution last week calling for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
“It’s huge, unbelievable,” said Telluride Mayor John Pryor. “Ski groups are canceling for the winter. Hundreds of people are bailing. The (town) Web site is flooded with people saying they’re canceling their vacations here.”
Pryor called it a “silly initiative.” The council, he told The Telluride Watch, is too busy to weigh in on national global politics.
If this was a silly initiative, why did he vote for it? The answer would seem to lie in the fact that the council routinely adopts resolutions, on matters both big and small, with nary a further word. Further, such a resolution would be hardly controversial in Telluride, where only 17 percent of voters in the 2004 election cast ballots for Bush.
snip
I hope I am not posting this twice.
Bush’s speech refers to
Al Quida (Bin Laden Corporation)
Al Quida-in-Iraq (The Local Franchise)
America fighting Al Quida-in-Iraq (the franchise conveniently ignoring the Shia, the warlords and tribes)
But the message is America is fighting Al Quida (the Corporation) in Iraq just where Bush said it was all along since 9-11, not in Pakistan or Afghanistan. It’s very clever word play designed to make you ignore where Bin Laden is, where the problem is and who the problem really is.
Hugh @ 159
I agree with this assessment.
Bob in HI
rxbusa @ 188
And by volunteering that makes your life less valuable
dude @ 190
Damn, I did double post. Sorry–
If you haven’t read the diarybu Hunter today called “Comrades, The Revolution Is Upon Us”, go read it now. It is great.
And, wrt the above diary, Bill O’Reilly had this to say about it:
The DailyKos now has a posting calling for the violent overthrow of the government.
CTuttle @ 163
The only way to get us out of Iraq is to get Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Gonzales out of the White House.
Bob in HI
Larisa Alexandrovna at Raw Story “National INtelligence Estimate lacks supporting evidence…
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0725.html
Arab League visits Israel
http://rawstory.com/showarticl…..6/256.html
O/T, but only kinda-sorta:
i have posted links, and
images, of conyers’ full
seventy-page PDF-ish report
on contempt — transmitted
tonight to fred fielding at the
white house — do take a look!
mmmmm! documentary goodness!
do enjoy!
Here is a thought for the design of the wall: since the beginning of George W. Bush’s administration the neo-cons have been boasting about W’s head being added to the Mt. Rushmore Monument because he is such a great leader. Well here’s one for the neo-cons: lets erect the wall in imitation of Mt. Rushmore with Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh and a few other neo-cons, then we can list the dead soldiers below their faces: it will be Bush’s monument.
dude @ 193
no worries dude, bush’s doctors told him to do a daily double-post
The new “Wall” should be in Crawford, TX.
Since more are surviving, but with life long injuries, there needs to be a memorial to the wounded, and what the nature of the wound is.
Darling: (…) In short: A German spy is giving away every one of our battle plans.
Melchett: You look surprised, Blackadder.
Edmund: I certainly am, sir. I didn’t realise we had any battle plans.
Melchett: Well, of course we have! How else do you think the battles are directed?
Edmund: Our battles are directed, sir?
Melchett: Well, of course they are, Blackadder — directed according to the Grand Plan.
Edmund: Would that be the plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone’s dead except Field Marshal Haig, Lady Haig and their tortoise, Alan?
Melchett: Great Scott! [stands] Even you know it! Guard! Guard! Bolt all the doors; hammer large pieces of crooked wood against all the windows! This security leak is far worse than we’d imagined!
Mrs. K8 @ 18
10,000 monkeys writing war plans!
Scarecrow @ 53
Maybe he’ll get a lawyer who specializes in tax law.
eCAHNomics @ 41
Gonzales wall
Senator Pat Roberts wall