Christy, if you’re on this, we aint gettin’ “testy” with each other because we’re tired; we’re getting that way because there is a $hitstorm coming, which WE warned them about, and which they are trying to pack onto OUR asses.

And which we HAVE to make sure goes on THEIR asses, as we get our troops out.

It’s one of the things that a lot of good, antiwar people have yet to deal with.

NO happy ending in this; just lots and lots more mayhem and the complications of having a very violent birthing for three new “states” in the mid-east. Everyone of which is going to cause nothing but problems, for years to come.

That is going to be george bush’s legacy to us, and to the world; and how to try to avoid it (we can’t) or to dilute it (maybe a little) and how to deal with it (as best we can, period.) AND, how to argue about it, is what is causing “testy” on FDL.

And in a relatively short time, it’s going to be causing mega-”testy” all over the country, for sure including us piney-woods rooters in the growing antiwar club. (Who have never been loathe to flash a little tusk at each other, anyway; truth be told. Which is what happens when you love truth more than you love bible-zombie and ‘34 Nurenburg bullshit.)

I don’t envy you guys on the staff here. Herding cats, especially; articulate, increasingly-pissed-off-feral-cats, is a thankless task. :o)

You might consider drawing the line at violence, invitations to violence, threats of violence (to and from, ANYONE) and vicious personal stuff.

There are going to be more and more people against this war whose outrage is increasing, as the repubs who started it refuse to help us end our part in it. (Not end “it”; that’s an insane fantasy, at this point.) And they/we are going to speak it, and sometimes, when we get into the nuts and bolts of how to try to put the brakes on our part in george bush and the GOP’s bloody clusterfuck, we’re going to speak it to each other, in non-”puppy” terms.

It’s your call, of course, but if you want the site to grow, and, ahem…prosper, then I don’t think you can maintain it as a card-carrying liberal latte-slurping place.

I WAS glad that someone is finally pulling the plug on the comments about doing violence to american troops. That’s a given, I think, and should have been done sooner, no matter how angry people get. It’s the kind of stuff that can ruin us, and turn the country right back over to the kind of people who got us into this.

Bottom line, and my 2c; batten down the hatches, but don’t weld them shut. In the next 16 months, there’s going to be a lot of steam ‘tween decks that needs to come out.

Clinton was sure as hell vilified by the right.

And it sure as hell hasn’t abated, now that she’s running for president.

Which leaves us with the question of:

“Why in the plu-perfect fuck would she MOVE to the right? As she so unspinnably has done?”

I say again, I had nothing but admiration for her.
Regarding Bill’s compulsive inability to keep his fly zipped, she was put into one of the toughest situations which a woman can experience, and she handled it with class and dignity. I exulted in her election to the Senate…was thinking, the day after that happened:

“We may be looking at our first lady preznit, right here! I am ready!”

And I watched, appalled, as she begin sucking up to the very people who had savaged she and her family for most of a decade.

I would have delighted in seeing a mindset from her that said, on the eve of the vote on the War Authorization bill, in 2002:

“These bastards had not the slightest compunction in telling any lie, crossing any line of decency, invading any privacy that we had, in order to smear my husband and my family. No sewer was too foul and fetid, for them to crawl through, to attack us with their bullshit. Am I supposed to buy their “intelligence” and help them start a war? If the ghost of Abraham-fucking-Lincoln was presenting it on their behalf, I would not vote for it.”

Instead, she did vote for it, and to this day, she has not unequivocally and fully recanted on that vote.

Until she saw bush’s poll numbers swimming with the TidyBowl man, she consistently supported the war. She has praised AIPAC to the high heavens, and she’s taken a lot of money that they have directed to her.

Within a few months of the mid-terms, she was supporting a troop escalation.

A month ago, in a statement that was a breathtaking combination of cruelty and stupidity, she was publicly blaming the “Iraqi government” for not making the “tough decisions to help their country”. It was precisely the bushCo fallback position that they had already been floating, and she HAD to know that she was parroting it.

I WANT a woman president. I would welcome only a few days each month of the old bugaboo of “glandular-driven decision-making”, instead of TRULY having it 24-7, with people who, every time they scratch their balls, they get a hard-on to bomb another country.

But not this woman. Not now. Not with practically every registered republican, and most independents, clearly possessed of a white-hot hatred of her.

Not with her, in a monumental act of political foolishness, spitting in the face of the progressive wing of our party–her natural constituents–and doing it as the country clearly is moving to the left and toward a more centrist political culture.

Not with a political situation where the republicans and the conservatives have dragged us into Deathroll Quagmire, and, with a 14 foot saltie hanging off their collective ass, are shreiking “deeper into the swamp!”

We can make some SERIOUS hay out of this; run these people back under the bridge for years, and try to salvage something out of the misery in Iraq; at the least, the lives of our troops, and that $2.5 billion a week.

But Hillary Clinton is NOT the one to help us do it. So far, her pronouncements don’t even offer any real hope that she’s interested in doing it. As the country that we used to call Iraq continues into it’s death spiral, and as bush’s insanity in creating that, becomes more and more obvious, we can look for her to become more strident, and to come up with new “plans”, but for me, I’m not interested in hearing them from someone who was so much a part of the problem, as she tries to convince american voters to let her look for a solution.

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

-20%. I know that’s statistically impossible, but a girl can dream, can’t she?

Maybe I can post on your website. I will know today. I really would like to go and meet many people from DailyKos, but will talk to GrandmaJo today.

I see that TeddySF and Katymine are both going to Chicago. I and GrandmaJo are too. I have asked before but haven’t caught the resonse. Were FDLers going to have a ‘meetup’ or wear special color shirts or something so we can recognize each other?

We are going to Chicago on Wednesday and will be up bright and shiney on Thursday morning.

6 days to wait is all…

I don’t know exactly but hear interesting rumors. If there’s something that has an entrance fee, may I get your ticket for you please?