zed?

…still hangin’ around for a few…

TRex!!

Heh.

Sleepy time for me now. Night, all!

oh you sneaky guys, always out for a zed.

Excellent Youtube question!

Night Liss.

Sleep well liss

is there a transcript for the dial-ups?

Gore!!!

I’m really outta here now — g’night pups!

Well, I think I am out for the count as well. Take care and enjoy the snark.

Night, Loudoun. Remind me, are you going to be at YKos?

Nite, Sleepers!

Pleasant dreams Dr D

Hey all – I rather enjoyed the YouTube debate…

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

gotta say, i enjoyed what i saw of the youtube debate.
funniest moment was when all candidates were asked to discuss the candidate standing to the left of him or her. kucinich noted that “i don’t have anyone ot the left of me,” and anderson cooper said, “i’m not sure we could FIND anyone.”

dmg @ 17

gotta say, i enjoyed what i saw of the youtube debate.
funniest moment was when all candidates were asked to discuss the candidate to the left of him or her. kucinich noted that “i don’t have anyone ot the left of me,” and anderson cooper said, “i’m not sure we could FIND anyone.”

Unfortunately, Dennis’s excellent answer won’t be remembered. He pointed out that he is in the mainstream of American on Iraq, on health care, etc. …

g’nite dr (pause) dick – stay cool

Suzanne @ 8

is there a transcript for the dial-ups?

Transcript wouldn’t do it justice. It’s a rustic type, saying that the media has paid a lot of attention to Al Gore, what he is wearing, if he is losing weight, etc. etc. The question is, “Does that hurt y’all’s feelings?”

Hillary may be the only person up on that stage who has be immunized against hurt feelings. She has been ridiculed, investigated and demonised by the vast right wing conspiracy for 25 years. People laughed at the “vast right wing conspiracy”: who’s laughing now?

that is funny, mitch. thanks

AZ Matt @ 16

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

Link, please?

BigMitch @ 20

Suzanne @ 8

is there a transcript for the dial-ups?

Transcript wouldn’t do it justice. It’s a rustic type, saying that the media has paid a lot of attention to Al Gore, what he is wearing, if he is losing weight, etc. etc. The question is, “Does that hurt y’all’s feelings?”

As another dialup user, many thanks.

All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. But almost all say that such is not the case now. But such was the case, they think, in the Revolution of ‘75. If one were to tell me that this was a bad government because it taxed certain foreign commodities brought to its ports, it is most probable that I should not make an ado about it, for I can do without them. All machines have their friction; and possibly this does enough good to counter-balance the evil. At any rate, it is a great evil to make a stir about it. But when the friction comes to have its machine, and oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine any longer. In other words, when a sixth of the population of a nation which has undertaken to be the refuge of liberty are slaves, and a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military law, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize. What makes this duty the more urgent is that fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army.

Thoreau

AZ Matt @ 16

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

My comment for the Prince of Darkness:

I sure wish Novakula’s sympathy for attractive
young blondes in government service had begun
back in, say, July 2003 instead of just recently.

Poor Sara. Another loyal Bushie hung out to dry.

TRex @ 23

AZ Matt @ 16

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

Link, please?

Link

TRex @ 23

AZ Matt @ 16

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

Link, please?

here
(hate to sully late nite with a Novakula link, but you asked!)

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

From Novak’s article on Sara Taylor:

Taylor has been the most obvious target of a grand inquisition, but she is small game. The Democrats are after her former boss, senior presidential adviser Karl Rove, and beyond him, George W. Bush, whom they consider an illegitimate president. At a staff level, it is simply payback time for Democrats who remember when Rep. Dan Burton chaired the committee that Waxman now heads and sought e-mails revealing illegal foreign political contributions.

TRex…. I have some pictures I took in Greece that I thought you would love…. want me to email them to you?

Hi everyone…..

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

yeap – I am a fast woman on a slow connection. Sounds like the start of a good country song. The reality is more like the blues.

Hey Katymine. Thanks for the description you posted yesterday.

In spite of his quirks, and he does have quirks, I admire Kucinich more and more with each passing debate.. Five minutes of Kucinich puts more truth and proposed logical solutions in play than Clinton Obama and Edwards have in all debates combined, imo.

Someone said it best in a thread yesterday re Kucinich and Andersons remarks which Anderson said he couldn’t find anyone more left that Kucinich. They said, Kucinich would be very middle of the road in any European race these days.

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

Right — I know, huh????!!!! Still has me flummoxed.

Suzanne @ 32

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

yeap – I am a fast woman on a slow connection. Sounds like the start of a good country song. The reality is more like the blues.

you have a word with ways.

katymine @ 31

TRex…. I have some pictures I took in Greece that I thought you would love…. want me to email them to you?

Hi everyone…..

Hi katymine! Are you going to Chicago next week for the shindig?

I like Kucinich a lot.

punaise @ 36

Suzanne @ 32

yeap – I am a fast woman on a slow connection. Sounds like the start of a good country song. The reality is more like the blues.

you have a word with ways.

High praise from the master (blushing) thank you punaise.

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

Such is the extent of our Suzanne’s devotion.

Dial-up makes the Baby Jeebus cry.

Your welcome TexB…

just started going through the 4 greek/crete cookbooks to see my favorites… mmmmm
BTW if you ever get a Greek salad with lettuce it is NOT a Greek Salad.

pet wrecker @ 25

All men recognize the right of revolution; that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist, the government, when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. But almost all say that such is not the case now. But such was the case, they think, in the Revolution of ‘75. If one were to tell me that this was a bad government because it taxed certain foreign commodities brought to its ports, it is most probable that I should not make an ado about it, for I can do without them. All machines have their friction; and possibly this does enough good to counter-balance the evil. At any rate, it is a great evil to make a stir about it. But when the friction comes to have its machine, and oppression and robbery are organized, I say, let us not have such a machine any longer. In other words, when a sixth of the population of a nation which has undertaken to be the refuge of liberty are slaves, and a whole country is unjustly overrun and conquered by a foreign army, and subjected to military law, I think that it is not too soon for honest men to rebel and revolutionize. What makes this duty the more urgent is that fact that the country so overrun is not our own, but ours is the invading army.

Thoreau

pet wrecker,
I love Thoreau. That’s like a shot in the arm—thanks.

passing along without comment from HuffPo:

The 10 Hottest Hotties on the Hill

brace yourselves for the story at #5.

katymine @ 41

Your welcome TexB…

just started going through the 4 greek/crete cookbooks to see my favorites… mmmmm
BTW if you ever get a Greek salad with lettuce it is NOT a Greek Salad.

Spinach?

katymine @ 31

TRex…. I have some pictures I took in Greece that I thought you would love…. want me to email them to you?

Hi everyone…..

Yes, please.

df530 at bellsouth dot net.

YES – TSF, I am going to be in Chi-town… Are you?

John Solomon takes on Arthur Branch in tomorrow’s WaPo:

Before he was elected as a tough-on-crime U.S. senator from Tennessee or played a New York prosecutor on TV’s “Law and Order,” Fred Dalton Thompson worked as a lawyer who argued against the government’s authority to regulate drug paraphernalia or to search a boat packed with 14 tons of marijuana.

Once, two decades ago, he urged that more witnesses refuse to testify before grand juries by invoking their constitutional right against self-incrimination, boasting that “I start on the assumption that my client will not testify.” And over the years, lawsuits he filed helped a state worker win reinstatement to her job while exposing a parole bribery scheme and won money for the family of a Marine pilot killed by a helicopter blade when the family could not sue the Defense Department.

snip

His work representing white-collar criminals, drug defendants and lawsuit victims has given Thompson an affinity with one of the Republican Party’s perennial targets, trial lawyers, and he carries that connection with him even today as he prepares to seek the GOP presidential nomination. It also helped shape a view on lawsuit reform that has frequently put him at odds with his own party.

katymine @ 46

YES – TSF, I am going to be in Chi-town… Are you?

I am going!

Eureka Springs @ 34

In spite of his quirks, and he does have quirks, I admire Kucinich more and more with each passing debate.. Five minutes of Kucinich puts more truth and proposed logical solutions in play than Clinton Obama and Edwards have in all debates combined, imo.

Someone said it best in a thread yesterday re Kucinich and Andersons remarks which Anderson said he couldn’t find anyone more left that Kucinich. They said, Kucinich would be very middle of the road in any European race these days.

The other day, I said that everytime I hear Kucinich, I ask myself why am I not for this guy. And the answer always seems inadequate. It was pointed out that he is personally opposed to abortion, based on his firm Catholic faith. But his website is pretty unequivocl about the fact that he supports a woman’s right to choose. (Anti-abortion is a deal killer for me.)

TexB @ 38

I like Kucinich a lot.

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

katymine @ 46

YES – TSF, I am going to be in Chi-town… Are you?

Yup!

Somebody stick a fork in it…McCain’s done.

TeddySanFran @ 50

TexB @ 38

I like Kucinich a lot.

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

Uh, more than the sanctimony of virtually every other candidate in the race? :)

Loo Hoo. @ 30

From Novak’s article on Sara Taylor:

Taylor has been the most obvious target of a grand inquisition, but she is small game. The Democrats are after her former boss, senior presidential adviser Karl Rove, and beyond him, George W. Bush, whom they consider an illegitimate president. At a staff level, it is simply payback time for Democrats who remember when Rep. Dan Burton chaired the committee that Waxman now heads and sought e-mails revealing illegal foreign political contributions.

Soooo – it’s all about payback.

for all the truth in what he says, Kucinich still comes across as a gadfly.

Greek Salad (real one)
1 sliced cucumber
1 tomato cut into chunks
1 small onion cut into wedges (small)
Capers
Greek olives
Feta Cheese – slice off a brick
Olive Oil & lemon juice
Greek spices such as Oregano & Thyme

TeddySanFran @ 50

TexB @ 38

I like Kucinich a lot.

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

teddysf, maybe that’s part of the heavy shielding he has to put up to withstand all the derision.

Big M~ Have you seen anything about the ethics complaint filed against Senator Lisa? I heard about it on KUDO but haven’t been able to find anything.

katymine @ 31

TRex…. I have some pictures I took in Greece that I thought you would love…. want me to email them to you?

Hi everyone…..

Where in Greece did ya go? It’s one of the few places I could leave here to live.

tonite’s snack

Suzanne @ 32

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

yeap – I am a fast woman on a slow connection. Sounds like the start of a good country song. The reality is more like the blues.

Given that description, you might enjoy Saffire, the Uppity Blues Women. Good, good stuff.

McCain may be done in AZ… Repugs and Dems are working together to get signatures for recall election and I hear they have hit pay dirty!

Wordsmith @ 54

Loo Hoo. @ 30

From Novak’s article on Sara Taylor:

Taylor has been the most obvious target of a grand inquisition, but she is small game. The Democrats are after her former boss, senior presidential adviser Karl Rove, and beyond him, George W. Bush, whom they consider an illegitimate president. At a staff level, it is simply payback time for Democrats who remember when Rep. Dan Burton chaired the committee that Waxman now heads and sought e-mails revealing illegal foreign political contributions.

Soooo – it’s all about payback.

payback is something the rethugs understand, unlike doing something for the good of the country instead of the good of the party.

Hot and tender Dennis Hastert didn’t make the list. He always looks hot and sweaty when I see him.

-GSD

katymine @ 62

McCain may be done in AZ… Repugs and Dems are working together to get signatures for recall election and I hear they have hit pay dirty!

Arizona has a recall on Senators?

-GSD

katymine @ 56

Greek Salad (real one)
1 sliced cucumber
1 tomato cut into chunks
1 small onion cut into wedges (small)
Capers
Greek olives
Feta Cheese – slice off a brick
Olive Oil & lemon juice
Greek spices such as Oregano & Thyme

No shit….I came home and made this – no capers….I’m not a caper fan, plus I don’t have any.

peterr, i have bookmarked saffire – thank you so very much (wild women don’t get the blues)

katymine @ 56

ymmmmm now I’m hungry again. Sounds delicious

katymine @ 56

Greek Salad (real one)

good stuff.

insalata tricolore:

fresh mozzarella, sliced
good tomatoes, sliced
fresh basil leaves

arrange on plate. optional drizzle of good olive oil. lightly dust with salt and pepper.

Some helpful reading for anyone supporting or considering support for Hillary. Brutally true.

and dessert

Suzanne @ 67

peterr, i have bookmarked saffire – thank you so very much (wild women don’t get the blues)

forgot the attribution – francine reed

montag @ 53

TeddySanFran @ 50

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

Uh, more than the sanctimony of virtually every other candidate in the race? :)

You’re right, sanctimony is not the word I meant. I meant I don’t like the way he speaks ill of the other Democrats on stage with him. That’s not sanctimony, it’s something else. And the others are all sanctimonious.

Wordsmith @ 66

I’m not a caper fan, plus I don’t have any.

caper, or class tick?

punaise @ 43

passing along without comment from HuffPo:

The 10 Hottest Hotties on the Hill

brace yourselves for the story at #5.

Mary Bono is hot for this guy:

Cornelius Alexander Mack (December 22, 1862 – February 8, 1956), born Cornelius Alexander McGillicuddy, was an American professional baseball player, manager, and team owner. Considered one of the greatest managers in Major League Baseball history, he holds records for wins, losses, and games managed. He managed the Philadelphia Athletics for 50 consecutive seasons. Besides his five World Series wins and nine American League pennants, Mack’s teams also finished last 17 times.

Why not? They named the Stadium after him.

TexB @ 71

and dessert

hmmm baklava – what did you bring for everyone else tex?

GSD @ 64

Hot and tender Dennis Hastert didn’t make the list. He always looks hot and sweaty when I see him.

-GSD

Uh, “hot” and “tender” are not quite the adjectives that come to mind when Hastert’s name is mentioned. Usually, when I hear of Hastert, I think, “Jabba the Hastert,” or, “Denny the Hutt.”

Works for me. :)

Biden, an idiot all over again…

Suzanne @ 76

TexB @ 71

and dessert

hmmm baklava – what did you bring for everyone else tex?

Go look at #60.

TeddySanFran @ 50

TexB @ 38

I like Kucinich a lot.

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

Teddy, Do you really think anyone in the Dem lineup has less piety or sanctimony than Kucinich even if he wears his on his sleeve a bit more?

Mitch, I agree 100 percent re womens rights.. it would be a deal breaker for me if I thought he would not support women. I am convinced Kucinich would not only protect that right but would definitely nominate excellent supremes.

Ahgoo @ 58

Big M~ Have you seen anything about the ethics complaint filed against Senator Lisa? I heard about it on KUDO but haven’t been able to find anything.

Only know what I heard on KUDO.

BigMitch @ 74

punaise @ 43

passing along without comment from HuffPo:

The 10 Hottest Hotties on the Hill

brace yourselves for the story at #5.

Mary Bono is hot for this guy:

Cornelius Alexander Mack (December 22, 1862 – February 8, 1956), born Cornelius Alexander McGillicuddy, was an American professional baseball player, manager, and team owner. Considered one of the greatest managers in Major League Baseball history, he holds records for wins, losses, and games managed. He managed the Philadelphia Athletics for 50 consecutive seasons. Besides his five World Series wins and nine American League pennants, Mack’s teams also finished last 17 times.

Why not? They named the Stadium after him.

She’s hot for his grandson.

Suzanne @ 8

is there a transcript for the dial-ups?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html

GSD @ 64

Hot and tender Dennis Hastert didn’t make the list. He always looks hot and sweaty when I see him.

-GSD

Fat Bastard from Austin Powers: “sex-ay!”

TeddySanFran @ 73

That’s not sanctimony, it’s something else. And the others are all sanctimonious.

Denigrating? Any more than the mutual attacks of Clinton and Obama on each other?

I think you can thank the media, campaign money and the primary system for what you perceive, rather than any singular fault in Kucinich. :)

thanks, cujo

Chimpy is sinking like a fucking stone.

19% approval in Mass.

-GSD

Out in Left Field, but..

Interesting story from the BBC about Prescott Bush’s involvement in a plot to overthrow FDR in 1933 and install a Fascist gov’t.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/d…..0723.shtml

The White House Putsch involved many of the Plutocrats of the time, including Prescott Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

In common with any plan involving a Bush, this plan was pathetic.

It’s too bad the Constitution prohibits Bills of Attainder; if there is any family in America that has “corruption of the blood” it is the Bush/Walker family.

I admit that is was wrong, I thought the current plot to turn the US into a fascist state was only ~40 years in the making; it now appears to go back to Prescott Bush’s generation, ~75 years.

I have been laughing about the media delight in the . . . ahem . . . refreshingly direct nature of the YouTube questions.

It’s almost as if they haven’t noticed that their delight is in reaction to the media-offered questions of the past umteen years.

Ah, irony . . .

Eureka Springs @ 80

Mitch, I agree 100 percent re womens rights.. it would be a deal breaker for me if I thought he would not support women. I am convinced Kucinich would not only protect that right but would definitely nominate excellent supremes.

So? Are you in his corner?

Actually, I am speaking of my personal perception of Kucinich during the debates. I understand he gets a really bad rap from the media — even Jon Stewart’s made fun of his height, as if!! — and I’ve tried to warm up to him, because I like his policies 100%. I’ve never had a candidate whose policies I like 100%. Ever. But there’s something that pushes me away, something I have seen in the debates.

Just my coupla pennys. But I don’t think I’ve let my viewpoint be entirely shaped by his media portrayal.

time for me to sleep. good night all

Suzanne @ 32

punaise @ 29

wait a minute.
“moderator” and “dial-up”?

huh.

yeap – I am a fast woman on a slow connection. Sounds like the start of a good country song. The reality is more like the blues.

Perhaps this will cheer you up. But, then again, maybe not.

I so want a republican utube question debate.

pain free sleep wishes, tex

goodnite, TexB.

Peterr @ 89

I have been laughing about the media delight in the . . . ahem . . . refreshingly direct nature of the YouTube questions.

It’s almost as if they haven’t noticed that their delight is in reaction to the media-offered questions of the past umteen years.

Ah, irony . . .

Oh, I suspect Tweety’s noticed. He had the Obama and Hillary “girls” from YouTube on the very next day, on-set, to be sure every one of his viewers understood how truly trivial YouTube is. Tweety does not want to lose his question-the-08s gig.

Yes AZ does have recall for Federal offices if they sign a specific statement that they will agree to a recall election when they turn in their signature petitions to get on the ballot for their race. Both McCain & Kyl signed one!

TRex you have mail….. wish I could hear you laugh!

Suzanne @ 94

I so want a republican utube question debate.

I thot CNN was having one.

TeddySanFran @ 91

Actually, I am speaking of my personal perception of Kucinich during the debates. I understand he gets a really bad rap from the media — even Jon Stewart’s made fun of his height, as if!! — and I’ve tried to warm up to him, because I like his policies 100%. I’ve never had a candidate whose policies I like 100%. Ever. But there’s something that pushes me away, something I have seen in the debates.

Just my coupla pennys. But I don’t think I’ve let my viewpoint be entirely shaped by his media portrayal.

Well, Teddy, I agree totally. Right down to the fact that I can’t quite figure out what it is that pushes me away.

Wordsmith @ 99

Suzanne @ 94

I so want a republican utube question debate.

I thot CNN was having one.

in September, I think

punaise @ 75

Wordsmith @ 66

I’m not a caper fan, plus I don’t have any.

caper, or class tick?

Ya know what? I cannot figure this out….clue me in.

TeddySanFran @ 97

Peterr @ 89

I have been laughing about the media delight in the . . . ahem . . . refreshingly direct nature of the YouTube questions.

It’s almost as if they haven’t noticed that their delight is in reaction to the media-offered questions of the past umteen years.

Ah, irony . . .

Oh, I suspect Tweety’s noticed. He had the Obama and Hillary “girls” from YouTube on the very next day, on-set, to be sure every one of his viewers understood how truly trivial YouTube is. Tweety does not want to lose his question-the-08s gig.

I think Tweety just noticed the “girls.” Questions never entered his mind.

TeddySanFran @ 26

AZ Matt @ 16

Trex, go check out the Novakula column in WaPo.

And good nite folks!

My comment for the Prince of Darkness:

I sure wish Novakula’s sympathy for attractive
young blondes in government service had begun
back in, say, July 2003 instead of just recently.

Poor Sara. Another loyal Bushie hung out to dry.

Damn right! Where was that compassion for Valerie?

Suzanne @ 94

I so want a republican utube question debate.

9/17 Florida

punaise @ 101

Wordsmith @ 99

I thot CNN was having one.

in September, I think

I believe they said Sept. 17th! IRCC!

Wordsmith @ 102

punaise @ 75

caper, or class tick?

Ya know what? I cannot figure this out….clue me in.

Yeah, what’s the bird’s-eye low-down on this caper? (Nick Danger, Third Eye)

punaise @ 101

Wordsmith @ 99

I thot CNN was having one.

in September, I think

Yep.

I think darkblack should send in a question.

ooops I just got it. Plastic or paper.

riff of paper or plastic

TeddySanFran @ 105

Suzanne @ 94

I so want a republican utube question debate.

9/17 Florida

link

GSD @ 87

Chimpy is sinking like a fucking stone.

19% approval in Mass.

-GSD

And BushCo is working hard to lower that number.

So? Are you in his corner?

Undecided, but he is first on my list followed by Elizabeth Edwards at this point.

Honestly I am motivated by our actions with Blue America here at the lake most of all.

I wasn’t able to make myself vote for Kerry in ‘04 and I don’t think I will be able to vote for Hillary if she makes it onto the Nov 08 ballot.
(note: that means I left the presidential slot unchecked on my 04 ballot for the first time in my life)

TeddySanFran @ 91

Actually, I am speaking of my personal perception of Kucinich during the debates. I understand he gets a really bad rap from the media — even Jon Stewart’s made fun of his height, as if!! — and I’ve tried to warm up to him, because I like his policies 100%. I’ve never had a candidate whose policies I like 100%. Ever. But there’s something that pushes me away, something I have seen in the debates.

Just my coupla pennys. But I don’t think I’ve let my viewpoint be entirely shaped by his media portrayal.

Okay, if you were the short guy with the bad haircut and the good ideas who’d been put in the closet by the media, and effectively been shut out of the national debate because of superficial considerations, you’d probably be a bit more than defensive and truculent, yes?

I think that’s where Kucinich has been for years. Bound to wear on one after a while. After all, if someone with Romney’s height and chiseled chin and Edward’s money were saying the same things as Kucinich, and were a Republican, the media would be swarming all over him, making cooing noises. Yeah, maybe?

If Kucinich had a sense of humor (and I don’t think he does–maybe that’s the real problem), he’d be recycling Rodney Dangerfield “I don’t get no respect” jokes.

Wordsmith @ 102

punaise @ 75

caper, or class tick?

Ya know what? I cannot figure this out….clue me in.

Say it out loud, then avoid thinking about any logical relationship to the rest of the thread. If that doesn’t do it, reverse the order of those steps.

UPDATE: Nevermind …

thanks, teddy, something to look forward to

Did you know that Dennis Kucinich lost his re-election bid in Cleveland to George Voinovich?

montag @ 114

If Kucinich had a sense of humor (and I don’t think he does–maybe that’s the real problem), he’d be recycling Rodney Dangerfield “I don’t get no respect” jokes.

I think you’ve put your finger on one of the things that makes him unsympathetic to folks. He may have a sense of humor, but it’s not all that apparent, and more importantly it isn’t self-effacing. I think Jerry Brown came off the same way.

Suzanne @ 116

thanks, teddy, something to look forward to

I know, huh?

TeddySanFran @ 117

Did you know that Dennis Kucinich lost his re-election bid in Cleveland to George Voinovich?

Then he came back and beat him later, iirc.

Cujo359 @ 115

Wordsmith @ 102

Ya know what? I cannot figure this out….clue me in.

Say it out loud, then avoid thinking about any logical relationship to the rest of the thread. If that doesn’t do it, reverse the order of those steps.

UPDATE: Nevermind …

Sheeshhhh…

TeddySanFran @ 105

Suzanne @ 94

I so want a republican utube question debate.

9/17 Florida

Is Anderson Cooper choosing the questions?

tbsa @ 122

TeddySanFran @ 105

9/17 Florida

Is Anderson Cooper choosing the questions?

Either he or editors/producers at CNN. Some suggested having YouTubers vote on which questions to ask, but CNN thought that this might lead to campaigns trying to swap the voting to skew the questions.

Good call on CNN’s part, IMHO.

tbsa @ 122

TeddySanFran @ 105

9/17 Florida

Is Anderson Cooper choosing the questions?

Not solely, there is a panel he works with!

I believe it is a panel of media folk who choose the utubes.

I was reading this story on McCain’s media team quitting, trying to eat and chuckle at the same time is a bit rough – but there’s a poll there, WSJ. Down a bit from the top of the page

[

Question of the Day]
• Does John McCain still have a chance to win the Republican nomination?

If nothing else look at the results.

TeddySanFran @ 82

BigMitch @ 74

Mary Bono is hot for this guy:Why not? They named the Stadium after him.

She’s hot for his grandson.

Great. She’s hot for his great grandson, Connie Mack IV

BigMitch @ 127

Great. She’s hot for his great grandson, Connie Mack IV

Great. She’s hot for the only guy in the House that’s dumber than she is. Smart play.

geez, jon stewart, re gonzo, said “lets see if i can find anything this little prick will answer” – at least that is what i heard

So, if you leave part of the ballot unchecked, doesn’t that give Karl’s closet commandos free reign to fill in the blanks for you?

Jon Stewart not feeling the love for Alberto Gonzales.

No comments for over 11 minutes? Is the server down?

Anyone out there?

nope, john stewart is on mitch. comments usually slow down during the show

I am shopping for Greek food stuff online… should not have put that salad comment… going have to go eat something now!

Just you and md Shadowstalker.

Must be TDS…
Hi BigMitch!

I checked, Kucinich did not come back and defeat Voinovich. Kucinich’s brother challenged Voinovich the next time around.

I love Lewis Black.

BigMitch @ 136

Just you and md Shadowstalker.

Black is a riot on TDS!

How strange….when KO is on, everyone’s busy “liveblogging” the whole thing, and John Stewart gets silence.

BigMitch @ 131

Jon Stewart not feeling the love for Alberto Gonzales.

I’m trying to think of anyone who is. I got nothing. Not even Bush or Cheney’s got any love for Fredo these days. The only — and I mean only — reason he still has a job is that any replacement would have to go through a confirmation hearing, and BushCo definitely wants to avoid anything like that.

TeddySanFran @ 117

Did you know that Dennis Kucinich lost his re-election bid in Cleveland to George Voinovich?

Teddy, I think that was when good jobs were more plentiful and megachurch coffers were overflowing.
Now that’s all changed. I can’t say George is unpopular, but boy I wish Paul Hackett would challenge him.

Tsunami warning after 7.0 earthquake near Indonesia….

Breaking news on MSNBC – banner

Shadowstalker @ 141

How strange….when KO is on, everyone’s busy “liveblogging” the whole thing, and John Stewart gets silence.

perhaps it is because we are tired by this time of the night

BigMitch @ 139

I love Lewis Black.

Oh crap, Back in Black on Wednesdays….catch in the morning when it replays.

TeddySanFran @ 73

montag @ 53

Uh, more than the sanctimony of virtually every other candidate in the race? :)

You’re right, sanctimony is not the word I meant. I meant I don’t like the way he speaks ill of the other Democrats on stage with him. That’s not sanctimony, it’s something else. And the others are all sanctimonious.

how ’bout sententious? Or maybe not, that’s closer to Lieberman – pompous moralizing.

Shadowstalker @ 141

How strange….when KO is on, everyone’s busy “liveblogging” the whole thing, and John Stewart gets silence.

KO you can listen to without diverting your eyes much, but, with TDS half the comedy is visual!

This breaks my heart too.
To think that my tax $s are being used to destroy a country and its people, makes me physically ill…
Thank-you all for trying so hard to stop this madness and I hope that the Iraq people somehow know that so many of us are trying to stop this war….and that we are SO very sorry for not being able to stop it sooner…:(

BABIL, 22 July 2007 (IRIN) – Thousands of Iraqis have been setting up their own improvised displacement camps after fleeing violence in their home areas and being turned away from already overcrowded formal camps.
“We didn’t have a choice,” said Muhammad Bilal, 43, who lives in a makeshift camp on the outskirts of Al Hillah, the capital of Babil province in central Iraq.

“We tried to get support in three camps near the capital, but we were not allowed in by locals who had already settled there. And the local NGO looking after the families said they couldn’t offer the same assistance to us.”

After numerous futile attempts to find a safe place for his family to stay, Bilal and dozens of other men in the same situation decided to set up their own camp.

“We decided to sell all our goods, cars and some people who have relatives outside Iraq contributed money which helped us to buy some tents and store some food,” Bilal said.

http://www.iraqslogger.com/ind….._Own_Camps

Wordsmith @ 144

Tsunami warning after 7.0 earthquake near Indonesia….

Breaking news on MSNBC – banner

USGS has it as a 6.7 in the Molucca Sea

Wordsmith @ 144

Tsunami warning after 7.0 earthquake near Indonesia….

Breaking news on MSNBC – banner

That’s not good news for us Pacific Islanders!

Calling it a night, everyone. See you later!

NOAA Pacific Tsunami Warning Center has an event information statement up.

Nite Peterr..

g’nite Peterr – NOAA is not issuing a warning about that earthquake. Unless there is a new one that they don’t have yet.

Suzanne @ 150

Wordsmith @ 144

Tsunami warning after 7.0 earthquake near Indonesia….

Breaking news on MSNBC – banner

USGS has it as a 6.7 in the Molucca Sea

Philipines is essentially ground zero!

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

If I ask 1,000 people did they approve of body lice, there is some number who will say, “Yes, because bio-diversity is good.” Some number of people will say yes to any question, because they think “yes” means “no.” Do you approve of stomach flu? “Hell, yes,” some will say. “Last time, I lost 4 pounds!” I guess what I am saying is that it’s hard to imagine, in a country where most people think the world is 5,000 years old, that there is a proposition that couldn’t get 13% approval — even an idea like Bush should be on Mr. Rushmore.

CTuttle @ 151

That’s not good news for us Pacific Islanders!

When was the last significant tsunami to hit the Islands? The last I remember was in Feb, `69, I think, and that one took out a few bait shacks, a few houses and some chunks of the sea wall at Waimea. (I still have pictures of the after-effects of that one, somewhere, I think.)

Don’t fear until you see the water approaching….

montag @ 158

CTuttle @ 151

That’s not good news for us Pacific Islanders!

When was the last significant tsunami to hit the Islands? The last I remember was in Feb, `69, I think, and that one took out a few bait shacks, a few houses and some chunks of the sea wall at Waimea. (I still have pictures of the after-effects of that one, somewhere, I think.)

Don’t fear until you see the water approaching….

This is good news:

BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE DATA A DESTRUCTIVE PACIFIC-WIDE TSUNAMI IS
NOT EXPECTED AND THERE IS NO TSUNAMI THREAT TO HAWAII.

GSD @ 87

Chimpy is sinking like a fucking stone.

19% approval in Mass.

-GSD

thanks – very comforting.

BigMitch @ 157

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

If I ask 1,000 people did they approve of body lice, there is some number who will say, “Yes, because bio-diversity is good.” Some number of people will say yes to any question, because they think “yes” means “no.” Do you approve of stomach flu? “Hell, yes,” some will say. “Last time, I lost 4 pounds!” I guess what I am saying is that it’s hard to imagine, in a country where most people think the world is 5,000 years old, that there is a proposition that couldn’t get 13% approval — even an idea like Bush should be on Mr. Rushmore.

Well it looks like another low water mark has been reached…
Pollkatz

Mitch, your question is triggering something in my memory about there being just such a number (besides the obvious zero) that polls just can not go below. I’m thinking that number is sonewhere in the low single digits but I certainly have been wrong before.

BigMitch @ 157

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

If I ask 1,000 people did they approve of body lice, there is some number who will say, “Yes, because bio-diversity is good.” Some number of people will say yes to any question, because they think “yes” means “no.” Do you approve of stomach flu? “Hell, yes,” some will say. “Last time, I lost 4 pounds!” I guess what I am saying is that it’s hard to imagine, in a country where most people think the world is 5,000 years old, that there is a proposition that couldn’t get 13% approval — even an idea like Bush should be on Mr. Rushmore.

I can’t recall any question having numbers in single digits on one side or the other, assuming it was at all complicated or debatable. I suppose it’s possible, though. I doubt it could go to zero, largely for the reasons you’ve stated.

Well, time for me to pass out, too. Goodnight, all.

Hiya, pups!

I’m in Seattle, helping my mom move out of her house. She has no internet, but I was editing pictures for a family slideshow out in the shop, and a blip of a signal showed up on the airport icon. No escaping the lake – unless that little blip goes away.

g’nite cujo

hey ET good to hear from you

This graph of the approval/disapproval spread is even better. Looks like freefall is approaching…

More Pollkatz

KUDO reports Senate Ethics complaint vs. Lisa M.

Suzanne @ 162

Mitch, your question is triggering something in my memory about there being just such a number (besides the obvious zero) that polls just can not go below. I’m thinking that number is sonewhere in the low single digits but I certainly have been wrong before.

Low single digits gets into MOE – margin of error – territory, even for authoritative polls, so if you go lower, you’re?

Suzanne @ 162

Mitch, your question is triggering something in my memory about there being just such a number (besides the obvious zero) that polls just can not go below. I’m thinking that number is sonewhere in the low single digits but I certainly have been wrong before.

Maybe has something to do with the margin of error?

BigMitch @ 168

KUDO reports Senate Ethics complaint vs. Lisa M.

On the difference between the value of her river property purchase and what you or I would have paid, or on how she handled it?

yep, e.t.

wow- -colbert on a roll.

BigMitch @ 173

wow- -colbert on a roll.

No Egrets!!!

CTuttle @ 174

BigMitch @ 173

wow- -colbert on a roll.

No Egrets!!!

Let’s incorporate!

I also wonder how much further these ratings will fall before they bump up against the hard BTKWB limit, the theoretical minimum for Bush approval. BTKWB (the President’s approval ratings the morning after he pre-empted Monday Night Football in order to Bind, Torture, and Kill Wilford Brimley for his own sexual gratification) has generally been taken to be somewhere in the 32-36% range, depending on the theoretical models used, and depending on if he uses up the MNF timespot completely, or just pops in during halftime. It is generally assumed that between 68-64% of the general public would disapprove of Wilford Brimley being sadistically murdered on national TV while the President of the United States leered and drooled in a blood-drenched homoerotic fugue that they would be willing to undermine the troops in the field by saying so, and would continue in their disapproval even in the face of such arguments as “the President needs a way to unwind from the pressures of his job”, “there was no other way to be sure he wasn’t a terrorist”, “many terrorists have mustaches, you know”, and even “he might have been hiding Saddam’s WMD in his Quaker Oats”. We may at last get some useful empirical measurements of this fundamental constant of political science.

From: here.

It’s still Jane’s birthday on the west coast, so:

(((((Jane)))))

Steve-AR @ 21

Hillary may be the only person up on that stage who has be immunized against hurt feelings. She has been ridiculed, investigated and demonised by the vast right wing conspiracy for 25 years. People laughed at the “vast right wing conspiracy”: who’s laughing now?

And yet, she STILL does not have the interests of the masses as a priority in her heart, mind, soul, or agenda.

How do people become seduced and deluded by her?

time for this pup to head off to bed. g’nite everyone and see ya tomorrow night, same bat time, same bat channel

G’night Suzanne, sweet dreams.

g’nite suz

Eureka Springs @ 34

In spite of his quirks, and he does have quirks, I admire Kucinich more and more with each passing debate.. Five minutes of Kucinich puts more truth and proposed logical solutions in play than Clinton Obama and Edwards have in all debates combined, imo.

Someone said it best in a thread yesterday re Kucinich and Andersons remarks which Anderson said he couldn’t find anyone more left that Kucinich. They said, Kucinich would be very middle of the road in any European race these days.

I lust for Edwards/Kuch in any order.
Still.

Suzanne @ 178

time for this pup to head off to bed. g’nite everyone and see ya tomorrow night, same bat time, same bat channel

Bon Nuit, Ma Cheri!

Fern @ 170

Suzanne @ 162

Mitch, your question is triggering something in my memory about there being just such a number (besides the obvious zero) that polls just can not go below. I’m thinking that number is sonewhere in the low single digits but I certainly have been wrong before.

Maybe has something to do with the margin of error?

Suzanne, IIRC, there IS such a number. Oddball, not related to the MOE. Maybe a minuscule percentage of people who never understand the question and just go random.

g’night. I’m outta here too.

I’m gonna bid a fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!!

larue @ 178

Steve-AR @ 21

Hillary may be the only person up on that stage who has be immunized against hurt feelings. She has been ridiculed, investigated and demonised by the vast right wing conspiracy for 25 years. People laughed at the “vast right wing conspiracy”: who’s laughing now?

And yet, she STILL does not have the interests of the masses as a priority in her heart, mind, soul, or agenda.

How do people become seduced and deluded by her?

Dude, you of all people know how Hil is regarded around here. But she could be Prez someday, and the Gooper alternative is how much better?

TeddySanFran @ 50

TexB @ 38

I like Kucinich a lot.

I am 100% in favor of his policies, and 100% opposed to his sanctimony.

What do you see as his sanctimony?

TexB @ 60

tonite’s snack

Close . . . very very close.

Slivered garlic browned in EVOO, added to a splash of balsamic . . . . not sure I saw any kalamata olives in there, lose the kidney beans on top . . . what looks like cilantro gotta go for some fresh lemon thyme . . . kukes, for sure . .

But I’m not kiddin no one, TexB, I’d eat that salad of yours twice a day if I could get some rare ahi on top, or rare salmon and I’d STFU and eat quietly but happily . . . love your food pics, BTW.

Sorry if I came across a bit . . did it for a living for a long time . . I’m a bit fussy about what I eat and serve . . . lol

I wonder if Obama is going to implode while trying to differentiate himself from Hillary.

I wonder if Hillary will die laughing while she shadows Obama, never allowing him to differentiate himself.

I wonder what any of that has to do with which candidate would do best as a president.

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

Well, when we had an election here in 2002, the party which had been leading the ruling coalition ended up with ca 1 per cent of the vote. (it was completely wiped out of parliament, despite proportional representation, becuase it didn’t beat the thresh-hold level set to prevent ultra- minority parties having disproportionate clout).

So by world standrards Bush has a fair way to
fall yet…

‘here’ being Turkey, of course.

Per http://www.cwa-union.org/news/page.jsp?itemID=28663094 the Communications Workers of America have issued a recent study on Internet connectivity by nation and by state, http://www.speedmatters.org . In both adoption and speed the U.S. lags behind much of the developed world, e.g., here are some median download speeds in megabits per second:
– Japan: 61
– South Korea: 46
– Finland: 22
– Sweden: 18
– Canada: 8
– U.S.: 2.
Obviously, there are questions as to why this is so. Here is what Paul Krugman had to say in the N.Y. Times http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072407H.shtml

Welcome, Turkish Bill. Your English is excellent. Have you lived in England or America?

Here is more information on the fascist coup plot of 1933 against FDR of which W’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, is alleged to have been a participant.

Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Gail Collins on John Edwards and tangerines, and Nicholas Kristof on Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama’s position on trade with China.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are all ready, and I’ve got a selection of bagels with cream cheese. If you’re not going to have a sweetish bagel, try some of the cream cheese with garden herbs mixed in. Have a wonderful day.

This is in the Washington Post today

War Crimes and the White House
The Dishonor in a Tortured New ‘Interpretation’ of the Geneva Conventions

By P.X. Kelley and Robert F. Turner
Thursday, July 26, 2007; Page A21

One of us was appointed commandant of the Marine Corps by President Ronald Reagan; the other served as a lawyer in the Reagan White House and has vigorously defended the constitutionality of warrantless National Security Agency wiretaps, presidential signing statements and many other controversial aspects of the war on terrorism. But we cannot in good conscience defend a decision that we believe has compromised our national honor and that may well promote the commission of war crimes by Americans and place at risk the welfare of captured American military forces for generations to come.

raven @ 196

This is in the Washington Post today

War Crimes and the White House
The Dishonor in a Tortured New ‘Interpretation’ of the Geneva Conventions

By P.X. Kelley and Robert F. Turner
Thursday, July 26, 2007; Page A21

One of us was appointed commandant of the Marine Corps by President Ronald Reagan; the other served as a lawyer in the Reagan White House and has vigorously defended the constitutionality of warrantless National Security Agency wiretaps, presidential signing statements and many other controversial aspects of the war on terrorism. But we cannot in good conscience defend a decision that we believe has compromised our national honor and that may well promote the commission of war crimes by Americans and place at risk the welfare of captured American military forces for generations to come.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1

Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read that the 3rd ID commander was published in the local paper disagreeing with how important W says al-Qaida in Iraq is:

http://savannahnow.com/node/332018

He also says al-Qaida is losing support among the Shiites.

Good morning!

(((Raven))) how are you doing.

Marion in Savannah @ 198

Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read that the 3rd ID commander was published in the local paper disagreeing with how important W says al-Qaida in Iraq is:

http://savannahnow.com/node/332018

He also says al-Qaida is losing support among the Shiites.

Very interesting. I wonder what Huggins plans to do during his imminent retirement. ;-)

Wigwam, this makes me wonder if there isn’t a whole lot more disagreement with W in the upper echelons of the Army than we hear about. For this to be published in this town amazes me — I’ll be interested if the knuckle-dragging readers don’t write letters to the editor condemning him.

Marion -

Keep us posted wrt reactions in the paper.

Company visiting ’til sometime tomorrow so am not getting my required daily dosages of news from the Lake and world in general. ;-(

“If in annexing Yen you antagonize its people then do not annex it” Mencius pg 69
If we were prepared to keep the peace in Iraq with enough Troops. If we were really there to help Iraq not Haliburtron, Bechtel and the oil companies.
We might have had a chance. Even now the American Government seems more interested in the Iraqi government making an oil law that will benefit American oil companies than in doing anything to help the Iraqis!
We pretend Iraq is a sovereign nation that can independently sign oil contracts but we dictate terms to them like they were the 51 state.
We cannot govern Iraq without the Consent of the people of Iraq. Sensing an objection we do govern Iraq after all if we leave doesn’t Bush fear the “cough ” Iraq government would fall?

egregious @ 199

Good morning!

(((Raven))) how are you doing.

Hey

I’m OK. My wife is still up in Virginia with her family helping out. We’ve got great friends here that will be here for her when she gets back.

Marion in Savannah @ 201

Wigwam, this makes me wonder if there isn’t a whole lot more disagreement with W in the upper echelons of the Army than we hear about. For this to be published in this town amazes me — I’ll be interested if the knuckle-dragging readers don’t write letters to the editor condemning him.

This General also urged that the surge be allowed to continue because it is working.

Marion in Savannah @ 201

Wigwam, this makes me wonder if there isn’t a whole lot more disagreement with W in the upper echelons of the Army than we hear about. For this to be published in this town amazes me — I’ll be interested if the knuckle-dragging readers don’t write letters to the editor condemning him.

I fear that he’ll get a lot of flack about this, and not only from readers.

can you say toast?

mccain’s media team retires en masse…by email too…bills not payed, stuff like that

this is good news for one reason as far as I’m concerned;

once he realizes he won’t be president I think his deal with the president will be lost and he will somehow find the integrity he signed away to become president

there’s a chance he goes on the attack against this administration

I am dreaming of course but still

Wigwam, you bring much to the table this morning!
Thank you!

perris @ 207

can you say toast?

mccain’s media team retires en masse…by email too…bills not payed, stuff like that

this is good news for one reason as far as I’m concerned;

once he realizes he won’t be president I think his deal with the president will be lost and he will somehow find the integrity he signed away to become president

there’s a chance he goes on the attack against this administration

I am dreaming of course but still

So did all those former Bushies he hired sabotage his campaign? Bleed the money dry? One more gotcha from good ol’ Dubya.

I see that TeddySF and Katymine are both going to Chicago. I and GrandmaJo are too. I have asked before but haven’t caught the resonse. Were FDLers going to have a ‘meetup’ or wear special color shirts or something so we can recognize each other?

We are going to Chicago on Wednesday and will be up bright and shiney on Thursday morning.

6 days to wait is all…

‘Welcome, Turkish Bill. Your English is excellent.’

Thanks – I’d like to think so, as I am in fact English (though a long-time resident in Turkey.)

GrandmaJ @ 210

I see that TeddySF and Katymine are both going to Chicago. I and GrandmaJo are too. I have asked before but haven’t caught the resonse. Were FDLers going to have a ‘meetup’ or wear special color shirts or something so we can recognize each other?

We are going to Chicago on Wednesday and will be up bright and shiney on Thursday morning.

6 days to wait is all…

I don’t know exactly but hear interesting rumors. If there’s something that has an entrance fee, may I get your ticket for you please?

egregious – you are too kind. I might just take you up on that, but I sent an email to GrandmaJo to see if she wanted to go. By the way, the Kos party for Wednesday night is at the — get this — Funky Buddha I think. I mentioned it to ccmask as he will also be in Chicago on Wednesday.

Maybe I can post on your website. I will know today. I really would like to go and meet many people from DailyKos, but will talk to GrandmaJo today.

The Market has been down lately I think the day traders are betting ahead of even more bad news and accelerating the September, October bad news calendar to August, September.
The top wallstreet guys are all vactioning in the Hamptons and won’t be back until September when they come back the market might really tank. In October or Setember we are all familar with what happened to the market Sept 11 2001, black thursday oct 24 1929, and oct 19, 1987.
The stock market had its bubble punctured by terroists once and by reality twice people lost millions.
Now we all know a market crash would likely kill the Republicans hope to win anything. Which is why we have not dared to dream of being so hopeful.
But are we prepared for a crash in case it happens? The political spin I mean. How will Bush try and blame us for causing a market crash? How can we blame Bush? How can we use this to end the war?
A pro business President with a laise faire economic policy presiding over a stock market crash would have negative political capital and the poll numbers of Herbert Hoover.
Combined with the losing a war effect on poll numbers which forced Truman and Johnson not to run again.
Plus the Nixion scandal thing going on. In other words Bush might hit the Trifecta of low polling for a president.
We might not have time for impeachment, but the Republicans will be desperate to deal.

turkish bill @ 190

Someone posted a while back that Bush’s approval rating is something like 13% in Massachusetts. I’ve asked this question before. Is there an absolute minimum that you can get?

-20%. I know that’s statistically impossible, but a girl can dream, can’t she?

Kucinich is a lone voice of sanity who does not parrot inanities like ‘all options on the table’ (whatever that means beyond being an uncouth bully), does not believe in wasting useless billions on an army that cannot win wars, advocates access to health care as being a fundamental human right but that’s not really very American I guess. To top it off, he cannot even attract the moneys that his competitors can. Totally unAmerican and very sad.

Kucinich: painfully blunt, a truthteller. Yep, recipe for being called “unAmerican”

SteveAR@ #21:

Clinton was sure as hell vilified by the right.

And it sure as hell hasn’t abated, now that she’s running for president.

Which leaves us with the question of:

“Why in the plu-perfect fuck would she MOVE to the right? As she so unspinnably has done?”

I say again, I had nothing but admiration for her.
Regarding Bill’s compulsive inability to keep his fly zipped, she was put into one of the toughest situations which a woman can experience, and she handled it with class and dignity. I exulted in her election to the Senate…was thinking, the day after that happened:

“We may be looking at our first lady preznit, right here! I am ready!”

And I watched, appalled, as she begin sucking up to the very people who had savaged she and her family for most of a decade.

I would have delighted in seeing a mindset from her that said, on the eve of the vote on the War Authorization bill, in 2002:

“These bastards had not the slightest compunction in telling any lie, crossing any line of decency, invading any privacy that we had, in order to smear my husband and my family. No sewer was too foul and fetid, for them to crawl through, to attack us with their bullshit. Am I supposed to buy their “intelligence” and help them start a war? If the ghost of Abraham-fucking-Lincoln was presenting it on their behalf, I would not vote for it.”

Instead, she did vote for it, and to this day, she has not unequivocally and fully recanted on that vote.

Until she saw bush’s poll numbers swimming with the TidyBowl man, she consistently supported the war. She has praised AIPAC to the high heavens, and she’s taken a lot of money that they have directed to her.

Within a few months of the mid-terms, she was supporting a troop escalation.

A month ago, in a statement that was a breathtaking combination of cruelty and stupidity, she was publicly blaming the “Iraqi government” for not making the “tough decisions to help their country”. It was precisely the bushCo fallback position that they had already been floating, and she HAD to know that she was parroting it.

I WANT a woman president. I would welcome only a few days each month of the old bugaboo of “glandular-driven decision-making”, instead of TRULY having it 24-7, with people who, every time they scratch their balls, they get a hard-on to bomb another country.

But not this woman. Not now. Not with practically every registered republican, and most independents, clearly possessed of a white-hot hatred of her.

Not with her, in a monumental act of political foolishness, spitting in the face of the progressive wing of our party–her natural constituents–and doing it as the country clearly is moving to the left and toward a more centrist political culture.

Not with a political situation where the republicans and the conservatives have dragged us into Deathroll Quagmire, and, with a 14 foot saltie hanging off their collective ass, are shreiking “deeper into the swamp!”

We can make some SERIOUS hay out of this; run these people back under the bridge for years, and try to salvage something out of the misery in Iraq; at the least, the lives of our troops, and that $2.5 billion a week.

But Hillary Clinton is NOT the one to help us do it. So far, her pronouncements don’t even offer any real hope that she’s interested in doing it. As the country that we used to call Iraq continues into it’s death spiral, and as bush’s insanity in creating that, becomes more and more obvious, we can look for her to become more strident, and to come up with new “plans”, but for me, I’m not interested in hearing them from someone who was so much a part of the problem, as she tries to convince american voters to let her look for a solution.

Sacanagem; if bush’s war-approval ratings get into the high teens, the housekeeping people in the U.S. Senate and Congress, will be dealing with cubic yards of republican congressional shit.

Tanbark!!! I think you mean $hit don’t you?

For old time’s sake, huh, M.J.? :o)

Christy, if you’re on this, we aint gettin’ “testy” with each other because we’re tired; we’re getting that way because there is a $hitstorm coming, which WE warned them about, and which they are trying to pack onto OUR asses.

And which we HAVE to make sure goes on THEIR asses, as we get our troops out.

It’s one of the things that a lot of good, antiwar people have yet to deal with.

NO happy ending in this; just lots and lots more mayhem and the complications of having a very violent birthing for three new “states” in the mid-east. Everyone of which is going to cause nothing but problems, for years to come.

That is going to be george bush’s legacy to us, and to the world; and how to try to avoid it (we can’t) or to dilute it (maybe a little) and how to deal with it (as best we can, period.) AND, how to argue about it, is what is causing “testy” on FDL.

And in a relatively short time, it’s going to be causing mega-”testy” all over the country, for sure including us piney-woods rooters in the growing antiwar club. (Who have never been loathe to flash a little tusk at each other, anyway; truth be told. Which is what happens when you love truth more than you love bible-zombie and ‘34 Nurenburg bullshit.)

I don’t envy you guys on the staff here. Herding cats, especially; articulate, increasingly-pissed-off-feral-cats, is a thankless task. :o)

You might consider drawing the line at violence, invitations to violence, threats of violence (to and from, ANYONE) and vicious personal stuff.

There are going to be more and more people against this war whose outrage is increasing, as the repubs who started it refuse to help us end our part in it. (Not end “it”; that’s an insane fantasy, at this point.) And they/we are going to speak it, and sometimes, when we get into the nuts and bolts of how to try to put the brakes on our part in george bush and the GOP’s bloody clusterfuck, we’re going to speak it to each other, in non-”puppy” terms.

It’s your call, of course, but if you want the site to grow, and, ahem…prosper, then I don’t think you can maintain it as a card-carrying liberal latte-slurping place.

I WAS glad that someone is finally pulling the plug on the comments about doing violence to american troops. That’s a given, I think, and should have been done sooner, no matter how angry people get. It’s the kind of stuff that can ruin us, and turn the country right back over to the kind of people who got us into this.

Bottom line, and my 2c; batten down the hatches, but don’t weld them shut. In the next 16 months, there’s going to be a lot of steam ‘tween decks that needs to come out.