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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850921</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-850033&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Myrtle June @ 330&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am being honest Kathleen. None of my posts are getting through the mods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not the mods. It’s the filters. Something is causing them to be caught and the mods have to release them manually. It’s a regular problem here, but I’m seeing your posts just fine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Kathleen, believe me, I thoroughly empathize. I/P was the issue that got me really researching the internet. I found a lot of great information too. If you want resources, I have plenty. There are others here who feel the same but this is just not the place as long as the management difficulties persist. Hope this helps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>I am being honest Kathleen. None of my posts are getting through the mods.</p>
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<p>It’s not the mods. It’s the filters. Something is causing them to be caught and the mods have to release them manually. It’s a regular problem here, but I’m seeing your posts just fine.</p>
<p>And Kathleen, believe me, I thoroughly empathize. I/P was the issue that got me really researching the internet. I found a lot of great information too. If you want resources, I have plenty. There are others here who feel the same but this is just not the place as long as the management difficulties persist. Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: shargash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850825</link>
		<dc:creator>shargash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In times like this you are either a partisan, or you are a collaborator. It’s as simple as that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850383</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;br /&gt;
  Bless your heart, I know this was an extremely heartfelt post, and your friend’s story is very moving.  But the tone of the post kinda bothers me.  Given the ethical, humanitarian, and constitutional outrages that face us, we do have a patriotic and moral obligation to be partisan.  But as crucial as the progressive political struggle is, it  isn’t equivalent to the military actions of The Partisans, even if we use the same name to define ourselves.  The solution to our current political crisis is not another “War on….”  The political rhetoric of the past 50 or so years has included quite enough of that pathology.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,<br />
  Bless your heart, I know this was an extremely heartfelt post, and your friend’s story is very moving.  But the tone of the post kinda bothers me.  Given the ethical, humanitarian, and constitutional outrages that face us, we do have a patriotic and moral obligation to be partisan.  But as crucial as the progressive political struggle is, it  isn’t equivalent to the military actions of The Partisans, even if we use the same name to define ourselves.  The solution to our current political crisis is not another “War on….”  The political rhetoric of the past 50 or so years has included quite enough of that pathology.</p>
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		<title>By: abs0628</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850343</link>
		<dc:creator>abs0628</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen to this post 40 times over!!! I never knew about the partisans either — thanks for sharing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I had no idea Sam W was on board with Unity08. Coupled with all the pro-death penalty drivel his character on L&amp;O has spouted for years, this seriously reduces my respect for him immensely. Ugh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to this post 40 times over!!! I never knew about the partisans either — thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>And I had no idea Sam W was on board with Unity08. Coupled with all the pro-death penalty drivel his character on L&amp;O has spouted for years, this seriously reduces my respect for him immensely. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrtle June</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850033</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrtle June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am being honest Kathleen. None of my posts are getting through the mods.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Myrtle June</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-850028</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrtle June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kathleen,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t disagree with what you say. I would like to have discussions on here but the comment lag time for my posts doesn’t allow that. Monday I had a number of posts, perfectly fine posts, deleted. I was defending myself against attack they let through. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me be clear. I am for partisanship for the sake of the Constitution. We find the dems have bi-partisaned our country away and we have to get it back. We have seen the worst partisanship from the pubs for many years and now they want to cry “Partisan” to shut us up! I say NO to that. Jane is saying NO to that. I am a Constitutional Partisan and I will defend that. I am a Peace Partisan. I will defend that. It IS time for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as being a Democratic partisan. I am a Democrat who does not believe in every single one of their positions. I never give anyone a blank check. In that sense I am not a Democratic partisan at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will continue to speak out on here, on my blog, and in my everyday life, in all my dealings. Its a little thing but that’s how this is done, from the bottom up. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no idea if this will make it through the mods or when so if you don’t hear from me, its not because I’m not posting. Since Monday, I thought I’d been banned.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,</p>
<p>I don’t disagree with what you say. I would like to have discussions on here but the comment lag time for my posts doesn’t allow that. Monday I had a number of posts, perfectly fine posts, deleted. I was defending myself against attack they let through. </p>
<p>Let me be clear. I am for partisanship for the sake of the Constitution. We find the dems have bi-partisaned our country away and we have to get it back. We have seen the worst partisanship from the pubs for many years and now they want to cry “Partisan” to shut us up! I say NO to that. Jane is saying NO to that. I am a Constitutional Partisan and I will defend that. I am a Peace Partisan. I will defend that. It IS time for that.</p>
<p>As far as being a Democratic partisan. I am a Democrat who does not believe in every single one of their positions. I never give anyone a blank check. In that sense I am not a Democratic partisan at all.</p>
<p>I will continue to speak out on here, on my blog, and in my everyday life, in all my dealings. Its a little thing but that’s how this is done, from the bottom up. </p>
<p>I have no idea if this will make it through the mods or when so if you don’t hear from me, its not because I’m not posting. Since Monday, I thought I’d been banned.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-849947</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-848813&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bluetoe @ 296&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-848777&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;syvanen @ 294&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;An interesting footnote to the photo.  The vast majority of Yugoslav partisans during WWII were Serbs and they helped maintain an underground railroad that ferried Eastern European Jews to the Mediterranean and on to Israel.  It is for this reason that Israel supported Serbia diplomatically during the Nato’s criminal assault 1999.  (remember that war, the ‘good’ one because the democrats started it).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe one of these days this atrocity of US foreign policy can be re-evaluated by the many who have recently found war distasteful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The vast majority of the Serbian partisans were communists.  Remember Joseph Broz???  The Serbians that were committing genocide against Croats and Muslims in the late 90’s were not the “partisans” of WWII but rather the philosophical inheritors of those Serbs that sympathized and collaborated with the Nazi’s.  Those that don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tito was not a Serb. No one is really sure of his heritage but best guess is he was a Croat by birth. The Serbs who were  commting attrocities against Croats and Muslims in the 90s after the Muslims and Croats had committed atrocities against the Serbs in WWII, were primarily led by Bosnian Serbs with the support of the Milosovic government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-848813"><em>Bluetoe @ 296</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-848777"><em>syvanen @ 294</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>An interesting footnote to the photo.  The vast majority of Yugoslav partisans during WWII were Serbs and they helped maintain an underground railroad that ferried Eastern European Jews to the Mediterranean and on to Israel.  It is for this reason that Israel supported Serbia diplomatically during the Nato’s criminal assault 1999.  (remember that war, the ‘good’ one because the democrats started it).</p>
<p>Maybe one of these days this atrocity of US foreign policy can be re-evaluated by the many who have recently found war distasteful.</p>
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<p>The vast majority of the Serbian partisans were communists.  Remember Joseph Broz???  The Serbians that were committing genocide against Croats and Muslims in the late 90’s were not the “partisans” of WWII but rather the philosophical inheritors of those Serbs that sympathized and collaborated with the Nazi’s.  Those that don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it.</p>
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<p>Tito was not a Serb. No one is really sure of his heritage but best guess is he was a Croat by birth. The Serbs who were  commting attrocities against Croats and Muslims in the 90s after the Muslims and Croats had committed atrocities against the Serbs in WWII, were primarily led by Bosnian Serbs with the support of the Milosovic government.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-849898</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-849831&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Audrey @ 324&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-849786&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 323&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was polite criticism.  I apologized for my comments that Jane and others felt was “over the line” but I did not agree.  And the moderators did indeed allow a personal attack on me that they did not object to, others noticed, and I truely saw a double standard here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the bloggers here cannot take polite criticism on issues that commenters see as well as compliments. Then how is Firedoglake any different than other institutions or groups who are unable to be politely criticized?  Not so different. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand that the Israeli Palestinian issue attracts creepy and lying trolls.  But Firedoglake seems to pride itself in discussing diverse, relevant and critical issues.  When the Israeli Palestinian conflict is the main thorn in  many countries sides in the middle east(along with our military bases to protect our oil access) why would FDL mostly ignore this issue?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will not be starting my own blog, we do not need more blogs (like the enviromental movement during the 70’s the more groups the more the issues became watered down over the years)  Divide and conquer!  But I do believe that this blog has fallen into the very same avoidance strategy as the MSM on the I/P issue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess your sour feelings over this incident are coloring your ability to see why this topic is not frequently discussed (though it is sporadically through various threads that I have personally seen and participated in). No one in admin wants the headache and lack of productive discussion that goes with it. You may not mind a bunch of trolls but how about the mods? Please allow that there are good reasons for not wanting to open that door here. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the bottom line is, it’s not your blog and insisting on having it your way or being snarky from thread to thread is likely to invite the exact type of criticism of you that is “allowed”–just as the mods did not delete the posts in this thread that were insulting to Jane. You might want to take a couple of deep breaths and find a blog that does allow the type of discussion you desire.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I stated before, I have some considerable experience with this issue and sane discussions about it, even in a controlled environment are difficult at best.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To my knowledge there are no blogs that discuss this issue.  David Corns website did but it was attacked quite a while back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not going to start another blog, and I will continue to bring this issue up in a respectful and acceptable (to Jane and who ever else makes these determinations at FDL) way here at FDL.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The MSM does not discuss this issue fairly if at all, and many in the blogosphere seem to fall behind the MSM on this issue.  I am committed to doing it fairly, accurately and respectfully.  I am sorry that the moderators and the site gets attacked by trolls so often when this issue comes up.  But if FDL allows itself to fold on this issue, those who do not want this issue to be discussed at all win, but ultimately lose. Shutting down dialogue and debate about this issue which results in unfair policies being implemented infuriates those in the middle east who consider this a very serious issue to deal with fairly&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are right that this issue is “sporadically” discussed here at FDL, and I am sorry that discussing the issue attracts such vengeance. This only sheds light on how this issue has successfully been shut down in the U.S. media&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-849831"><em>Audrey @ 324</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-849786"><em>Kathleen @ 323</em></a></p>
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<p>That was polite criticism.  I apologized for my comments that Jane and others felt was “over the line” but I did not agree.  And the moderators did indeed allow a personal attack on me that they did not object to, others noticed, and I truely saw a double standard here.</p>
<p>If the bloggers here cannot take polite criticism on issues that commenters see as well as compliments. Then how is Firedoglake any different than other institutions or groups who are unable to be politely criticized?  Not so different. </p>
<p>I understand that the Israeli Palestinian issue attracts creepy and lying trolls.  But Firedoglake seems to pride itself in discussing diverse, relevant and critical issues.  When the Israeli Palestinian conflict is the main thorn in  many countries sides in the middle east(along with our military bases to protect our oil access) why would FDL mostly ignore this issue?  </p>
<p>I will not be starting my own blog, we do not need more blogs (like the enviromental movement during the 70’s the more groups the more the issues became watered down over the years)  Divide and conquer!  But I do believe that this blog has fallen into the very same avoidance strategy as the MSM on the I/P issue.</p>
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<p>I guess your sour feelings over this incident are coloring your ability to see why this topic is not frequently discussed (though it is sporadically through various threads that I have personally seen and participated in). No one in admin wants the headache and lack of productive discussion that goes with it. You may not mind a bunch of trolls but how about the mods? Please allow that there are good reasons for not wanting to open that door here. </p>
<p>But the bottom line is, it’s not your blog and insisting on having it your way or being snarky from thread to thread is likely to invite the exact type of criticism of you that is “allowed”–just as the mods did not delete the posts in this thread that were insulting to Jane. You might want to take a couple of deep breaths and find a blog that does allow the type of discussion you desire.</p>
<p>As I stated before, I have some considerable experience with this issue and sane discussions about it, even in a controlled environment are difficult at best.</p>
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<p>To my knowledge there are no blogs that discuss this issue.  David Corns website did but it was attacked quite a while back.</p>
<p>I am not going to start another blog, and I will continue to bring this issue up in a respectful and acceptable (to Jane and who ever else makes these determinations at FDL) way here at FDL.</p>
<p>The MSM does not discuss this issue fairly if at all, and many in the blogosphere seem to fall behind the MSM on this issue.  I am committed to doing it fairly, accurately and respectfully.  I am sorry that the moderators and the site gets attacked by trolls so often when this issue comes up.  But if FDL allows itself to fold on this issue, those who do not want this issue to be discussed at all win, but ultimately lose. Shutting down dialogue and debate about this issue which results in unfair policies being implemented infuriates those in the middle east who consider this a very serious issue to deal with fairly</p>
<p>You are right that this issue is “sporadically” discussed here at FDL, and I am sorry that discussing the issue attracts such vengeance. This only sheds light on how this issue has successfully been shut down in the U.S. media</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-849851</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love it–please post in newest thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Rick B</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/25/im-proud-to-be-a-partisan/#comment-849847</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let me add my two cents:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We hear a lot of blather from the D.C. pundits that Democrats need to act in a more ‘bipartisan’ manner. To my real regret, we also hear this from Barack Obama. But the Republican Party is well on its way to destroying the Constitution of America and turning this country into something that Americans cannot recognize as the American Republic. Do David Broder and Barack Obama really expect America-loving Democrats to collaborate with the very people whose goal is to destroy the great idea that has been America? Should Democrats really collaborate with the enemy? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did the American soldiers and sailors in the Pacific look for ways to collaborate with the Japanese on December 8, 1941? Any who did were traitors to American and should rightly have been lined up against a wall and shot. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Republican Party, which has failed to prevent 9/11, then attacked a nation that was not involved in 9/11 while refusing to put the needed resources into capturing or killing Osama bin Laden, which has created an international gulag with its headquarter in Guantanamo in violation of all laws, which has picked up people it declared enemies and secretly imprisoned them, which has dispensed with habeas corpus the cornerstone of Anglo Saxon law and which is now asserting that the President is the source of law rather than Congress - This Republican Party is more of a danger to America as the Japanese Navy was in 1941. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find no value in collaborating in a bipartisan manner with this dangerous Republican Party. To do so places bipartisanship and collaboration with those out to destroy America above support of the Constitution of America. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am an American Partisan. I will not collaborate with the enemies of America, and right now the biggest enemy of America is the Republican party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add my two cents:</p>
<p>We hear a lot of blather from the D.C. pundits that Democrats need to act in a more ‘bipartisan’ manner. To my real regret, we also hear this from Barack Obama. But the Republican Party is well on its way to destroying the Constitution of America and turning this country into something that Americans cannot recognize as the American Republic. Do David Broder and Barack Obama really expect America-loving Democrats to collaborate with the very people whose goal is to destroy the great idea that has been America? Should Democrats really collaborate with the enemy? </p>
<p>Did the American soldiers and sailors in the Pacific look for ways to collaborate with the Japanese on December 8, 1941? Any who did were traitors to American and should rightly have been lined up against a wall and shot. </p>
<p>The Republican Party, which has failed to prevent 9/11, then attacked a nation that was not involved in 9/11 while refusing to put the needed resources into capturing or killing Osama bin Laden, which has created an international gulag with its headquarter in Guantanamo in violation of all laws, which has picked up people it declared enemies and secretly imprisoned them, which has dispensed with habeas corpus the cornerstone of Anglo Saxon law and which is now asserting that the President is the source of law rather than Congress &#8211; This Republican Party is more of a danger to America as the Japanese Navy was in 1941. </p>
<p>I find no value in collaborating in a bipartisan manner with this dangerous Republican Party. To do so places bipartisanship and collaboration with those out to destroy America above support of the Constitution of America. </p>
<p>I am an American Partisan. I will not collaborate with the enemies of America, and right now the biggest enemy of America is the Republican party.</p>
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