Basically these are the charges against Adham Amin Hassoun, Kifah Wael Jayyousi, and Jose Padilla:
that they conspired to commit acts of murder, kidnapping, and maiming outside the United States, that they committed one or more overt acts in the United States in furtherance of those acts, providing material support and resources, and concealing and disguising the nature of those actions to be used in preparation for a conspiracy to murder, kidnap or maim on foreign soil
It’s clear the prosecution isn’t talking about actual deeds committed by terrorists. But what evidence has the prosecution presented of planning to commit deeds of terrorism? The defense is currently disputing the “few bits” of alleged evidence.
Here’s how Warren Richey of the Christian Science Monitor sees it:
The three [Hassoun, Jauuousi and Jose Padilla] are facing charges that they plotted to spread violent jihad through a murderous campaign around the world. But federal prosecutors say it is unnecessary to link the terror suspects to an actual plan of terror.
Instead, government lawyers argue that a series of shady phone calls and a few documents are enough to establish the existence of a terror conspiracy and send all three defendants to prison potentially for the rest of their lives.
But after an eight week presentation of evidence by the government, prosecutors have not identified a single individual as a potential target for murder, kidnapping, or maiming, nor have they identified any specific plot to accomplish someone’s murder, kidnapping, or maiming..
While no one bets on the outcome of a jury trial, the government has set out a record of spectacular failure when it comes to terrorism cases. Laura Parker at USA Today consulted legal scholars and terrorism experts about government allegations of terrorism statistics.
“What we see time and again is a big press conference and Justice Department statements about how we’re prosecuting the war on terrorism, and then the cases either fizzle out or the charges are reduced to relatively minor guilty pleas,” says David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., who specializes in national security.
And the Department of Justice track record?
A “terrorist report card” prepared in September by the Center on Law and Security at the New York University Law School found that in 510 cases since 9/11 that the government said were terrorism related, only 158 defendants have been prosecuted on charges of terrorism or giving material support to terrorism. The rest have been prosecuted on lesser charges, and no link to terrorism was proved in court. The figures are the most recent available from NYU. (Emphasis added)
The report found a 29% conviction rate in terrorism prosecutions, compared with the Justice Department’s 93% conviction rate in other criminal prosecutions.
Meanwhile back at the Padilla trial it began to boil down to who’s portrait of the mujahedeen do you believe? Which translation do you regard as true?
Tuesday the imam of the first mosque Padilla studied at following his release from jail, Raed Awad of the Masjid Al-Iman in Ft. Lauderdale, took the stand. Awad admitted his worshipers raised funds to send Padilla to Egypt to study Islam and Arabic. When challenged by Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Frazier that Awad’s mosque was raising funds for terrorists, Awad – according to the AP’s Curt Anderson — pointed to a “distinction between terrorists and Islamic mujahedeen who were fighting in defense of Muslims in places like Chechnya, Bosnia and Somalia.”
The mujahedeen (meaning “strugglers”), whom Ronald Reagan praised as “freedom fighters” and who bled the Soviet Union to death, have now become a number of politically diverse, sometimes conflicting groups “struggling” in several parts of the globe with many religious and political differences.
On Monday, the defense’s translation expert, Kamal Yunis, a Palestinian-born chemist and state-certified Arabic-English translator, testified that the word “tourism” as used by Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifiah Wael Jayyousi, is not the equivalent of “jihad” but rather “exploration” or “a religious pilgrimage.” The expert contradicted the prosecutor’s claim that “send you two eggplants” meant “sending rocket-propelled grenades purchased through Muslim charitable donations.” “Eggplants,”according to the defense translator, meant $2000 in donations for Muslim children.
Reporters wonder “where’s the beef,”or in this case, where’s the evidence of deeds – even planned deeds. So far it’s word games, “he-said-he-said,” as the case of dueling translators continues. All the prosecution has shown are words and one document allegedly with Padilla’s signature and fingerprints. Words and one paper.
The jury is expected to begin deliberations in August. Will they be able to see that disputed words and one piece of paper –even with fingerprints – do not constitute actual terror deeds such as murder, kidnapping and maiming?
(with Christopher Austin )
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Zed?
Deeds and Words on the Beltway:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..untry.html
We need more people like this guy.
Lew!!! Great to see ya, again! How did Rachel do on her Bar Exam?
Zucchini!
Hi Lew.
Lew! There’s a conspiracy to commit murders and terrorism alright but it’s in DeeCee, not Miami…
CTuttle at 3
Should be here in about 30 minutes. I’ll have her tell you herself!
scarlet p. @ 2
Uh, I thought the freeway blogger was a gal – maybe we have one each for both coasts.
I have seen this legal strategy before. Indeed it is quite old having been used in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692.
Hi guys
Hugh at 8
As did Arthur Miller.
BigMitch at 9
Hey back
Mr. Koch
Thanks so much for this great post. I have found it very difficult to read much about this case because it’s so troubling. Your presentation is very clear and concise…but another damning indictment of this administration.
It’s pretty clear that the DOJ is operating under the same mantra as the rest of Dubya’s government — all show, no substance.
BTW —- A belated Happy Birthday to the lovely Ms. Hamsher. The posts today have been terrific — a real celebration of the gift you have given us all. Please take good care.
hi lew!
Been meaning to ask you – did the govt put up any witnesses, expert or otherwise, to verify that the handwriting was indeed that of Padilla?
“Eggplants,”according to the defense translator, meant $2000 in donations for Muslim children.
Why would they encode such a thing?
Jane (nyc) at 11
I’m really stunned at the audacity of Bush and Gonzales. I had thought I had seen it all (or at least as much as I ever wanted to see) and then this: arrogance combined with stupidity.
I too want to add a belated Happy Birthday.
And please, Jay (nyc)– it’s Lew.
“that they conspired to commit acts of murder, kidnapping, and maiming outside the United States, that they committed one or more overt acts in the United States in furtherance of those acts, providing material support and resources, and concealing and disguising the nature of those actions to be used in preparation for a conspiracy to murder, kidnap or maim on foreign soil”
Lewis, WHO did these things? Bush and Dick (wad)? I think there’s a stong case for these charges if so!
Could the dragging-out of this trial by the Bush Terror Fighters be it’s undoing?
Could the jury be so jaded by years of Chimpy’s fearmongering that they’ll laugh at this evidence of potential alleged conspiracy to maim?
THAT, friends, would be justice.
Lew this whole case involving the imprisonment of Padilla is a very dark day for american justice.
From the sounds of your reports I can’t see how any jury could convict this man unless they were prejudiced against him from the outset.
I don’t know that those responsible for what was done to this man… who may have been a thug before… but they should rot in hell if there is such a place.
America is devolved into a facists authoritarian state… and this show trial proves it once again.
Who actually made the decisions along the way how to treat this man and this “case?” Name names please.
Lew, could you clarify the NYU ‘Report Card’ a little? If there’s a 29% conviction rate for terrorism cases, yet, no terrorism linkage has ever been proven in a Court, wouldn’t it be 0%?
Evening, Lew. Interesting that justice has a 29% on terrorism cases and 93% otherwise. Who should pay the expenses on these bogus charges? Personally, I’ve got roads around here that I’d rather see fixed.
jayt at 12
This is the full letter to me from one of the preeminent historians of the American political system.
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My God. Has it reached the point in the trial where no one knows whether “eggplants” means a $2,000 donation or rocket-propelled grenades? Disgraceful.
Maybe prosecutor means persecutor. In court, is there a difference between allegator and alligator? Impeacher and preacher? Libelee and Liberace?
When I try to think of a theme song for the Padilla trial, why do I think only of “Send in the Clowns”?
On a future Jeopardy:
Category: The early 2000’s
Amount: $200
Answer: “spectacular failure” or “arrogance combined with stupidity”
Question: What is the Bush Administration?
Off topic And apologies if this has been covered elsewhere:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Documents indicate eight congressional leaders were briefed about the Bush administration’s terrorist surveillance program on the eve of its expiration in 2004, contradicting sworn Senate testimony this week by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
The documents underscore questions about Gonzales’ credibility as senators consider whether a perjury investigation should be opened into conflicting accounts about the program and a dramatic March 2004 confrontation leading up to its potentially illegal reauthorization.
A Gonzales spokesman maintained Wednesday that the attorney general stands by his testimony.
On the terror report, please check: http://www.nyu.edu/public.affa…..etail/1354
I’m sure there is even more detail.
Loo Hoo. @ 19
I thought the vast majority of cases were settled with plea bargains. Is that why the 93% is so high?
Youkillednoodle @ 15
Great catch, Noodle. That is exactly what this corrupt administration has done. The Hague.
BigMitch at 22
Please don’t lose sight of the fact that it was Gonzales who — after the Supreme Court was on the verge of freeing Padilla — folded this Chicago jamoke into the already set Florida charges.
How much has this fuckery cost the US taxpayers?
This whole Padilla thing seems like a farce. Bush should have done what Reagan did and picked some defenseless tiny island and invaded it and declared victory.
Boy. I surely will feel a lot safer if this poor schmuck Padilla is convicted.
A Gonzales spokesman maintained Wednesday that the attorney general stands by his testimony.
Good. Very Good.
Gonzo – “Bring it… – wait a minute I cant’ recall how this goes – oh yeah, bring it on!”
Apologies if you have seen this, a new spying on Americans program. Is this the “other secret spy program” that Gonzo lied about?
___________________________________
FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants
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Justin Rood Reports:
The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort to boost its intelligence capabilities.
According to a recent unclassified report to Congress, the FBI expects its informants to provide secrets about possible terrorists and foreign spies, although some may also be expected to aid with criminal investigations, in the tradition of law enforcement confidential informants. The FBI did not respond to requests for comment on this story.
The FBI said the push was driven by a 2004 directive from President Bush ordering the bureau to improve its counterterrorism efforts by boosting its human intelligence capabilities.
The aggressive push for more secret informants appears to be part of a new effort to grow its intelligence and counterterrorism efforts. Other recent proposals include expanding its collection and analysis of data on U.S. persons, retaining years’ worth of Americans’ phone records and even increasing so-called “black bag” secret entry operations
“The report found a 29% conviction rate in terrorism prosecutions, compared with the Justice Department’s 93% conviction rate in other criminal prosecutions.”
And yet, US Attorney Carol Lamm (sp?) lost her job because she was told that she wasn’t prosecuting enough illegal immigrants. *sigh* Even after she received praise that she was a force in prosecuting them…. *2nd sigh*
The Padilla case is an awful example of how the use of national fear by our government can result in awful things done at the hands of these very people, who tell us they’re protecting us and who tell us they’re doing everything in a lawful manner.
TeddySanFran at 27
In a previous column I detailed the expenses line by line between 20 and 25 million dollars.
Lew Koch @ 23
Mahalo, Lew!
This is Fascinating:
The TTRC finds, from 510 cases that have been announced as terrorism cases:
* Only four individuals have been convicted of federal crimes of terrorism, per se.
* Nobody affiliated with a radical Islamic group has been convicted of crimes related to chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons.
* No sleeper cell with logistical or tactical links to al Qaeda has been convicted.
* The vast majority of cases turn out to include no link to terrorism once the case goes to court.
* No distinctive definition of terrorism or of a terrorist emerges from the data.
So much for our GWOT!!!
In light of our AG’s obvious legal and leadership skills, I’m not at all surprised at this ridiculous Padilla nonsense.
CTuttle at 3
Hi there, thanks for asking after me & the dreaded bar exam. it went pretty well — i consider it a huge victory that i didn’t run out screaming the first day. the second day was okay, and now i’m done and i feel like a rock star. i’m going to go have some food and a glass of wine or 10. best, rachel
Frank33 at 30
OMG — that’s Friday’s column!! I didn’t have that but please, check in Friday — I will fold that into what I’m writing. THANK YOU!!!!
This massaging of data can also be seen in a NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..jK4rRHjkPw
A West Point study written to influence public opinion about Guantanamo detainees describes
A Seton Hall study by two attorneys representing detainees estimates that
This is more than a difference in analysis. It is making stuff up.
Lew Koch @ 35
Kewl, when will you know the results?
I think people here may be seriously under-estimating the chances of Padilla being convicted. Here’s why:
1. If you have never been in a Federal Court, it is hard to appreciate how the atmosphere militates towards conviction. The government runs efficiently in the courtroom, and the judge shows deference to the attorneys including the AUSA. The only ones before the bar who stand out like sore thumbs are the defendants. The marshalls stare at them, underscoring that they are dangerous, and not like you or me (i.e. the jurors.)
2. The law doesn’t require deeds of murder, terrorism, or even substantive crime to convict of conspiracy. Agreeing to do those things is the nub of the crime, if the conspirator does anything to promote the crime. Anything includes making a phone call.
3. Padilla, according to what I have gathered was talking in code. Maybe Lew can convince me that the decoded message was innocent, but I am yet to hear why they had to talk in code in the first place. Anyone? Bueller?
CTuttle at 38
Rachel will know by Oct.15 or little earlier.
Loo Hoo. @ 25
God, I’d love to see those bastards standing in the docket at the Hague. What can we do to make it so?
Lew Koch @ 40
Whew, they certainly take their sweet ole time, eh?
Lew Koch @ 36
Actually, we should all thank you Lew, and Emptywheel, and Jane and Christy and TRex. I am soooo.. confused, especially after listening to Gonzo describe his own weird strange universe. And it is soooo.. hard to keep track of all the neo-cons, nitwit corporate journalists, and crooked lobbyists.
Lew Koch @ 40
(((LEW))))
Good luck! Best wishes.
wigwam, keep in mind that Pelosi said we don’t know the half of what this administration has done. I think when there is a groundswell for impeachment, which is happening, there will be impeachment. Even Lieberman will not be able to support them when everybody know what has been done.
My question for the lawyers is this: If they are impeached, can they still be called to court later to answer for war crimes or other crimes?
BigMitch at 39
All three points, YES. I have never contented that Padilla is some innocent babe. He PROBABLY thought about some kind of violent act. Which is why at one point, he said he could separate plutonium from uranium by putting the uranium in a pail and swinging it around over his head. Between the idea and the reality (to snitch from T.S. Eliot) lies the gap.
Didn’t see an answer to my Q, so I apologize if I missed it. Why is there such a high conviction rate in nonterrorism cases, 93%? Does that include plea bargains? If so, what % convictions do they have in jury trials, & what & of total cases are tried vs. being settled with pleas?
OT: if W has lost* Josh Marshall, he’s lost the country –
*re impeachment, that is
Loo Hoo. @ 45
Most certainly! All evidence produced can and will be utilized in Court!
Loo Hoo. @ 45
I remember Pelosi saying that and I have wondered since then why we don’t know. If she knows doesn’t she and others have the obligation to tell the American People?
Loo Hoo at 45
This administration has ventured and become mired in an unknown and unknowable political reality that separates acts from consequences. They are out there in a universe filled with catastrophe after catastrophe.
Loo Hoo. @ 45
Yes. The concept is called “double jeopardy.” The 5th ammendment says that no person can be placed twice in jeapardy for the same crime. But jeopardy does not attach at an impeachment trial, where the only consequence is removal from office and disability from further public office.
CTuttle @ 49
visualize Cheney being read the Miranda rights.
eCAHNomics at 47
Missed that. Sorry.
I have not studied the statistics nor talked with the people who carried it out. I think I’ll do that as a follow up. Thank you.
punaise @ 53
I keep seeing Samuel L Jackson in his Pulp Fiction character…
Twain @ 50
Amen to that! I’m tired of the electorate being treated as if we “shouldn’t” know the truth. There’s a subtle condescending air among politicians (of both parties) these days. Has it always been there and we just have more access to hear/share what they say?
It infuriates me as it seems as if it’s first and foremost a way for them to hold onto their power.
punaise @ 53
One better: Frog Marched out of Court!
Lew Koch @ 54
Thank you!
eCAHNomics @ 47
BigMitch @ 39
Plus, when a case is going badly, the prosecution can always dismiss it, and avoid the loss. Once the trial begins, this requires the consent of the accused but it is usually forthcoming.
I think that statistic does not include plea bargains which are the result in most federal prosecutions.
GordonM @ 55
Courtesy of IMDB: “The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. “
Oh, OK. I’ll settle for Fitz saying something far less apocalyptic.
Loo Hoo. @ 45
It’s always much worse than you think, much much worse. My learning experience on this was with a very saavy fried who had a hard time finding a proper position in Latin American finance after OPEC I. So he finally took a job a president of a bankrupt Mexican bank, a workout situation. He investigated it up, down & sideways before accepting. Years later, when the job was done (with many gifts of garlic from a farm in Argentina that the bank had financed), I asked him if it had been better, same, or worse than he knew when going in. “Worse, much worse.” I have seen several other similar situations subsequently.
And how could it not be a lot worse with W et al? They’re so secretative, what we know must be only the tip ‘o iceberg.
Dictatorships always want to make an example of someone to scare the masses. Prominent cases, severe penalties.
BigMitch at 39
The marshalls are very big on laying of the hands. They put their “biggest dog” stamp — or try to.
When they do, I say, looking directly into their eyes and very somber, “Please don’t touch me unless you love me.” They are very unhappy but don’t do anything but glare to which I respond with loving eyes.
GordonM @ 60
I wanted to snarkily suggest that you give credit to the real author of that quote, viz the Prophet Ezekial. But when I went to check it, I learned this interesting tidbit from Wiki:
BigMitch @ 13
why would somebody say ‘the whole enchilada’ when they meant ‘homerun in the 9th inning?’
i’m not saying he’s innocent or guilty but there’s all sorts of connotations to slang.
eCAHNomics @ 61
It was 2004 that made me start really paying attention. I read Worse Than Watergate and Mark Crispin Miller’s first book (among others). At that point I though “it will take at least 10 years to find out all that they’ve done”. But they’ve had 3 more years, and been busy, busy, busy.
Heck, their very first act in office was to accuse the Clinton admin of completely trashing the place. Which we now know is absolutely false. We’re still not sure what they did on day 2.
Whoo Hooowie! From YearlyKos:
First we bring you a Presidential Leadership Forum, and now this? All on the same DAY? And for such bargain-basement Conference registration prices? We must be totally insane!
Pinch me, I must be dreaming! And again just for fun. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, US Rep. Rahm Emanuel, and Sen. Charles E. “Chuck” Schumer will participate in a unique Ask the Leaders Forum to be held Saturday, August 4th.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 65
Slang and code are two different things. Lew, are they saying eggplants is slang or code?
Loo Hoo. @ 67
I’d be so excited at the thought of asking Harry Reid a question I’d stay up all night chewing cardboard.
no I’m saying ’slang’ could easily be called ‘code.’
Mabel’s Wig Shack at 65
All three of them saw themselves as heroic martyrs (without the unhappy ending.) These are three losers — in the worst sense of they word. They made absolutely no contributions whatsoever. One had been a murderer. But in their own narcissistic eyes they thought they would make a “difference.” The only thing they’ve substantially done is screw up the American justice system, perhaps irrevocably.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 69
Reid, the corrugated boxer
the only thing I know about this case is the sensory deprivation torture inflicted on Padilla.
I dont know any specifics whatsoever re: aims/crimes/guilt/innocence.
Reid, the corrugated boxer
:-)
heh. very good!
Lew Koch @ 71
In this, they (at best) share equal billing with the Cheney administration.
BigMitch at 69
Code, like in pig Latin or sh** you make up on the playground.
For my money, the ones that have screwed the justice system are Rove, Cheney, Gonzales and Bush.
the four horsemen of the diet popalypse
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 70
I had a case like this. The defendants were Jamaicans and they had a patois that was impossible to understand unless you were familiar. They talked about getting some beefs, which sounded bad, but they just wanted to get some women. The judge, as I recall, didn’t allow us to have a translator, since, the language they were speaking was English. Of course, the snitch was a Jamaican, and he interpreted what was said. It was a drug case.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
See, we don’t disagree about everything…actually, OK I think we agree about everything except tactics, now and then.
eggplant, hmmm, eggplant….
got it! code name for their Irish buddy O’Berjean
Thanks for all the coverage Lew,
I agree with your assessment.
These guys are not martyrs for any cause.
mack at 82
Thanks. Sometimes it’s difficult to gin up enthusiasm for these guys — but then I remember what brung me here in the first place — citizen Padilla could just as easily be citizen Koch and his family.
Leahey: You are a liar, I don’t trust you, bugga, bugga!! If, and I mean If, and did I say, If, did you hear me If, helloo, “If”, you don’t come clean, did I say “If”? Well, then, and I mean, “then” “If”, If and when, then, well…it will be 2009…we will be either in a completed coup, or not.
Yawn.
Lew Koch @ 83
Bingo!
You float the lamest as the trial balloon.
That establishes precedent.
here’s more terrorist fear-mongering for you:
Fox headline (echoed on most of MSM at this moment) – “TSA Warns Airport Security About Terror Dry Runs”, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 (story STILL running)
Local paper headline run this morning – “Report of terrorist ‘dry run’ a false alarm”, Wednesday, July 25, 2007
And this ran in the SD Union Trib.. not exactly a progressive paper
So TV news is still lying to create fear, a full day after print media already repudiated the story. Ughhh!!!!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 74
He’s a clever one! Punaise, do you like puzzles (other than word puzzles?)
Does shitheel conventional wisdom guru David Broder think that Gonzales is trashing the place yet?
-GSD
Far and away, the thing that troubles me about the Padilla case the most is the torture. Then there are all of the right to counsel issues. From what I have heard there are fair trial issues including an interesting public trial issue. But the innocense issue doesn’t grab me.
Blub at 86
FUD! Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.
Sow the seeds and witness the fear and trembling. I think the administration thinks it can set up a semi-serious police state. I say “semi-serious” because, truly, they are so ******* incompetent, as to be unable to pull it off.
LS, I share your frustration on Leahy allowing Gonzo do-overs. Doesn’t seem quite American that he should be allowed and nobody in a regular court.
But the Rebecca-of-Sunnybrook side of me says he knows something big. We can only hope.
Blub @ 86
Considering the recess and upcoming September deadline, I think we can expect full court intensity on all things terror for the next six weeks. (Perhaps an air strike on Iran)
Loo Hoo. @ 91
Actually, when you take a depostion it is transcribed, and then you come into the reporters office to sign it, where you are allowed to change what you said.
Tough responses 101:
When attacking an opponant, don’t use the phrase “Champs Elysees” and think that you are scoring any points with the average voter.
Clinton camp responds to Romney insult about how Sen. Clinton couldn’t get elected in France.
Responding to Romney, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said, “Considering how often Governor Romney flip-flops, he’ll be wearing a beret and eating baguettes on the Champs-Elysees next week.”
Simply stupid.
-GSD
GSD @ 88
How uncivil, GSD!
BigMitch at 89
What brought me to Padilla was the how preposterous the heart of the accusation was — that this nasty near illiterate schmuck could put together a dirty bomb without killing himself before the second or third hour into it — that’s what triggered my interest.
Loo Hoo. @ 87
crosswords, sodoku, jigsaw, etc.? nope. pretty much a one trick pony.
Call Dildo Bill’O and report me to the Hannity-Police.
-GSD
Via HuffPo:
Sen. John McCain’s well-known media team has resigned, an indication that his campaign shake-up is continuing to backfire and imperiling the Arizona Republican’s presidential candidacy.
Political ad-makers Russ Schriefer and Stuart Stevens, veterans of President Bush’s 2000 and 2004 campaigns, on Monday emailed the new campaign manager — lobbyist and longtime McCain adviser Rick Davis — to say that they were quitting.
But I do agree with Rebecca of Sunnybrook in this respect. I believe, optimistically, perhaps, that the Dems have made a decision to give the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves. And the Republicans have obliged.
I am waiting for them to pull the trap door.
Loo Hoo. @ 99
Good Riddance!
Thanks, BigMitch. But this was so public, so positive sounding, so in-your-face on Abu’s part. How in the world would anyone believe that he just made a teensy mistake?
Poor John McCain, I am back to feeling sorry for the guy. Bush has ruined him TWICE now. Just like old Charlie Brown running for the football.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 91
LooHoo. I’m with you on this.
FYI
The terrorists trial report card is at
http://www.lawandsecurity.org/…..llenge.pdf
BigMitch @ 100
The noose is certainly cinched securely around their necks!!!
It is arrogant behavior like Gonzales’ that will end up stampeding Republicans into the opposite corner from Bush looking for, and begging for a way to push, push, Bush in front of the proverbial Greyhound bus.
If anyone saw Bruce Fein on Countdown tonight I recommend you forward the Youtube clip to someone who is still wavering.
-GSD
Wait a minute. Were all of these taped conversations in Arabic? I’ve been assuming all along that they were in English. So when the prosecution is saying that “eggplant” is code for “rocket-propelled grenade”, what they really mean is that some Arabic word that can mean “eggplant” is code for an RPG? And now some other Arabic translator is saying, “No, that word doesn’t mean ‘eggplant’, it means ‘charitable donation’?”
This is just getting more and more bizarre.
CTuttle @ 106
Maybe they are offering carrots for more info.
Maybe they are negotiating with Gonzo.
GSD @ 103
I don’t feel sorry for John McCain OR Charlie Brown.
Don’t forget, there is always Mrs. Gonzo to consider. She’s calling the shots. Alllllbeeerrrtoooo!!!!
Lew Koch @ 90
Which is why I’ve been trying to convince people that instead of taking overreaching executive orders seriously, we should be laughing, ridiculing, mocking and lampooning.
I’ll admit that they can still cause damage, but if there’s one thing bullies can’t stand it’s being laughed at. (And check out Leahy’s smile – I think he knows.)
Boy, you know Chimpy is losing the war all around when American soldiers are calling in terrorist threats on US bases saying that he’d bomb unless Bush troops from Iraq.
Bush’s blues.
-GSD
Lew Koch @ 96
Sort of like the French Lace Case we studied in law school.
A woman is accused of attempting to import French Lace but not declaring it on her customs forms. It turns out that she was sold imitation french lace which is really domestic. Is she guilty of the attempt? There are several permutations of this hypothetical, such as, what if there is no tax on lace, but she thinks there is. Is she guilty of attempted tax evasion?
Since you have used two literary references tonight, Lew, (one to The Crucible, and one to TS Elliott) I’ll remind you that our law is descended from English common law, and England produced Dickens, who said, famously, “If the law supposes that, the law is a ass—a idiot.”
Gordon, I am so with you. I mean talk about a pack of inept authoratarians.
Bush is about as intimidating as Col. Clink and Gonzales is as smart and knowledgeable as Dgt. Schultz.
-GSD
BigMitch at 115
Indeed! :-)
GSD @ 114
I can top that. Guess what some of the troops have nicknamed General Petraeus? “General Betray Us”. Pretty clever, I thought. I was a little disappointed that none of us left-wing hippies came up with it first.
Frank, that one is one that is better left for the troops.
You know Big Bill-O is Watching!
-GSD
LS @ 112
Good point. Any children?
My wife’s grandfather is no longer with us. However, during his lifetime he loved to eat eggplant. I swear as G-d is my witness, on the day we met he was eating eggplant for breakfast, as he did everyday, and he looked at me and said, “A day without eggplant is like a day without sunshine.” He must have thought the comparison was original with him.
Anyway, thank G-d he didn’t live to see the day when he could be tortured and then tried for what he must have said on the phone a thousand times.
LS @ 112
Uh, oh wait. I guess I was mixed up with Condi and her “my husband” thing. Never mind….
American troops are dying in Iraq to protect Alberto Gonzales’ privilege of lying to congress.
-GSD
Responding to Romney, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said, “Considering how often Governor Romney flip-flops, he’ll be wearing a beret and eating baguettes on the Champs-Elysees next week.”
Simply stupid.
-GSD
very ‘un-punchy’ language.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 124
I seem to recall that Romney was a missionary in France.
“He’ll be eating crepes and watching Jerry Lewis re-runs.”
Anything but “Champs-Elysees”.
-GSD
Still thinking about this too-easy trail of cheese crumbs. Such bizarre, transparent, brazen obstruction from Gonzo today. Why exactly? Chalking it up to incompetence alone is just too unsatisfying to ring true.
What if Gonzo is deliberately inviting his own impeachment?
That would give him a cover story for turning on the guys who’ve thrown him under the bus. If it looked like BushCheneyCo. were gonna stay up he’d have no motivation ’cause he’s ‘made’. But now that it appears the ship’s going down one way or another, a deal with the Dems for an easy time, in exchange for letting them to move the whole shebang into the criminal realm (thus bypassing executive privilege), may be the only move he’s got left.
That’s all I got.
Hmmm.
I really think they are all so corrupt and arrogant that they don’t think anything matters beyond their own created reality.
Pride goeth before the fall, boys.
-GSD
“Considering how often Governor Romney flip-flops, he’ll be wearing a beret and eating baguettes on the Champs-Elysees next week.”
There’s some kind of dig at Kerry in there too. She seems to enjoy punking him almost as much as Bush does McCain. Oh and way to perpetuate moronic right wing insults, Hill.
I would love to be in front of the TV in the faculty lounge at Harvard Law or HBS when the
“Abu/Dubya” show is on.
Talk about “Toon Time!”
Frank33 @ 30
Which is exactly the way the KGB operated in the Soviet Union. Isn’t it grand?
If I was a member of this administration, I’d be afraid to leave the US for fear I’d be arrested for war crimes abroad.
David Olsen @ 129
Because she’s still a ‘Goldwater Girl’ deep down inside.
-GSD
Hmmmm.
Gonzo owes everything he ever had to George W. Bush. He is lying to cover for W.
Here’s how it works. First, the program now euphemistically called the TSP is revealed. Nothing he can do about that.
Then he lies and says there was no substantial dispute about the program that the President confirmed. He has rationalized this by saying to himself that the program that was confirmed was the TSP with the changes which Comey insisted upon. It’s misleading, but not anything that would make one of these sociopaths blush.
Then Comey testifies. The cat is out of the bag. Now, what is AG to do?He can’t admit to lying. He has to stick to the story. He thinks he can get away with it, and he damned near did. You have seen how careful Rockefeller was about revealing the contents of that meeting. AG figured that the Dems would not talk about the meeting since it is highly classified.
I also think that the Bushies are chomping at the bit for an executive privilege showdown. This may be the wrong battle for them, but there is no limit to their hubris.
New Thread Y’all
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..t/#respond
Re. BigMitch @ 134
Even in the mob, guys get turned.
Lew Koch @ 46
If the jury knows he (that dufuss) believed that they might just elect him preznit.
GSD @ 94
Nice finesse answer.
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Read This!
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THEN…
Watch this whole thing!
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POLICE STATE!
SPREAD THE WORD!
_Neo-Cons Cheer Arrest Of Korey Rowe
__Movie creator charged
CCR AND OTHER LEADING HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS NAME 39 CIA “DISAPPEARED” DETAINEES
http://www.ccr-ny.org
Fact Sheet on Ghost Detentions Court Tells U.S. to Reveal Data on Detainees at Guantánamo
From Paul Craig Roberts:
“The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist-police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.”
I have been watching and reading some disturbing things which clearly show that something is in the works:
Michael Chertoff’s (Noahide, JINSA) “gut” feeling of an imminent terrorist attack; the most recent NIE warning of the resurgence of Al Qaeda and their plotting to attack America again; Rick Santorum saying he is hoping for another attack to prove that Republicans need to be in control and to blame Democrats for hampering these massive security measures which have essentially erased our civil liberties —- all predicting another series of attacks on the “homeland.”
Congressman Defazio was just denied access to COG Continuity of Government plans by bush despite being on the Homeland Security Committee and legally having a right to view these document. Defazio stated that some people think there is a conspiracy and he is beginning to think so also.
Rep. Raul Grijalva is fighting Chertoff’s plan for Permanent Checkpoints. JINSA and US law enforcement – look it up.
Okay. That’s a mindf*cker– and it really emphasizes what a specious little case the government has. How much is this bogus trial costing the American taxpayer I wonder.
My posts are being held in moderation for so long or deleted out of hand. Sorry to Kathleen to seem that I did not reply to her on the Partisan thread. I did. It went off into thin air like about 15 others did Monday leading me to believe I’ve been banned with no warning.
Helloooooooo? (if this comes through, there are many others that haven’t. This is a test)