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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845512&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;fdl reader @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They never got the votes to impeach Clinton and they did it ANYWAY!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We don’t mimic idiotic Republicans. It’s not the “in” thing to do this year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re trying to (suggest to our Dem leaders they should) govern well. And, right now the Bush admin needs to be governed quite a lot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845512"><em>fdl reader @ 148</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>They never got the votes to impeach Clinton and they did it ANYWAY!</p>
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<p>We don’t mimic idiotic Republicans. It’s not the “in” thing to do this year.</p>
<p>We’re trying to (suggest to our Dem leaders they should) govern well. And, right now the Bush admin needs to be governed quite a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845352&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;noen @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845337&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;realworld @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gonzo isn’t worth impeaching. Cheney and Bush are the targets.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will not happen because it cannot happen. There are not enough votes, period.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In case of talk of impeaching the president I agree. But, with the AG I don’t agree. I think it’s worthwhile to go after him for several reasons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we fail to extricate him it’s no worse than him being there now, and as someone noted, it’s harder for him to screw things up if he’s defending an impeachment indictment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, there’s always the upside of displaying his incompetence and criminality to the public and forcing Congressional Republicans into oblivion. And, there’s also the obvious demonstration Dems will impeach (whomever) when the time is right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845352"><em>noen @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-845337"><em>realworld @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Gonzo isn’t worth impeaching. Cheney and Bush are the targets.</p>
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<p>Will not happen because it cannot happen. There are not enough votes, period.</p>
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<p>In case of talk of impeaching the president I agree. But, with the AG I don’t agree. I think it’s worthwhile to go after him for several reasons.</p>
<p>If we fail to extricate him it’s no worse than him being there now, and as someone noted, it’s harder for him to screw things up if he’s defending an impeachment indictment.</p>
<p>But, there’s always the upside of displaying his incompetence and criminality to the public and forcing Congressional Republicans into oblivion. And, there’s also the obvious demonstration Dems will impeach (whomever) when the time is right.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845328&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;do-si-do @ 62&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845311&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 45&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;These are very dangerous times my friend tells me. When a wild animal is cornered problems may arise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why I take comfort when the GOP and pundits become really shrill. … The louder he screams, the more success I feel. …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish Dems would take note that GOP noise is a sign that they are succeeding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also wish checks and balances were between institutions, not  parties.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree and include in that trolls who call for the impeachment of Bush. They try to distract us from the best course and they scream in pain and to try and distract the media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, Dems must know their cause is just or wait. And, if they know they’re right they should just act, decisively, simply, and don’t reflect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845328"><em>do-si-do @ 62</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-845311"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 45</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>These are very dangerous times my friend tells me. When a wild animal is cornered problems may arise.</p>
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<p>This is why I take comfort when the GOP and pundits become really shrill. … The louder he screams, the more success I feel. …</p>
<p>I wish Dems would take note that GOP noise is a sign that they are succeeding.</p>
<p>I also wish checks and balances were between institutions, not  parties.</p>
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<p>I agree and include in that trolls who call for the impeachment of Bush. They try to distract us from the best course and they scream in pain and to try and distract the media.</p>
<p>However, Dems must know their cause is just or wait. And, if they know they’re right they should just act, decisively, simply, and don’t reflect.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845300&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;noen @ 36&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845288&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;realworld @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only thing that means anything at this point is impeachment. With 22 reThugs up for re-election in the Senate and many more in 2010 enough public pressure will get them to flip. The only way to create the pressure to have impeachment hearings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMPEACH&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am all for impeaching Gonzales, though I’m not sure how well it would go. The WH would only stonewall. It could turn out to be disastrous.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Senate has already sussed out a lot of information and it’s more than enough to get the impeachment through. There’s no downside for Dems, the House or America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Informing the public through public televised impeachment hearings which largely go through the information the SJC has gathered would be very powerful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845300"><em>noen @ 36</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-845288"><em>realworld @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The only thing that means anything at this point is impeachment. With 22 reThugs up for re-election in the Senate and many more in 2010 enough public pressure will get them to flip. The only way to create the pressure to have impeachment hearings.</p>
<p>IMPEACH</p>
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<p>I am all for impeaching Gonzales, though I’m not sure how well it would go. The WH would only stonewall. It could turn out to be disastrous.</p>
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<p>The Senate has already sussed out a lot of information and it’s more than enough to get the impeachment through. There’s no downside for Dems, the House or America.</p>
<p>Informing the public through public televised impeachment hearings which largely go through the information the SJC has gathered would be very powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: lady of the lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>lady of the lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As much as I loved my former Senator, Lincoln Chafee and before him his father John Chafee (even though I am thoroughly a democrat leaning independent), Sheldon Whitehouse has surprised me to no end. I held my nose to vote for him because I wanted the Dems to get the majority. He has been rabid in going after Abu and others and I really appreciate it. I don’t want to play politics, I hate it, but right is right. We are in a crisis in this country and have been for years. Please expose these crooks and frauds to the wider public and get them the hell out of the government!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I loved my former Senator, Lincoln Chafee and before him his father John Chafee (even though I am thoroughly a democrat leaning independent), Sheldon Whitehouse has surprised me to no end. I held my nose to vote for him because I wanted the Dems to get the majority. He has been rabid in going after Abu and others and I really appreciate it. I don’t want to play politics, I hate it, but right is right. We are in a crisis in this country and have been for years. Please expose these crooks and frauds to the wider public and get them the hell out of the government!</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great rant!  Fahrenheit 451 with the big screens on the wall of every affluent home assuring complete distraction and misdirection by the ruling party.  It’s a good fit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great rant!  Fahrenheit 451 with the big screens on the wall of every affluent home assuring complete distraction and misdirection by the ruling party.  It’s a good fit.</p>
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		<title>By: darclay</title>
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		<dc:creator>darclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane that is because you are in farenheit 451.&lt;br /&gt;
oooooooweoo1 Shades of the “outer limits”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane that is because you are in farenheit 451.<br />
oooooooweoo1 Shades of the “outer limits”.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;“Linda — you’re absolutely fantastic!”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“Linda — you’re absolutely fantastic!”</b></p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845759&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;leftdcin72 @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845438&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Milan River @ 134&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What Wigwam wrote in #97 -&lt;br /&gt;
Makes me not want more familial presidencies ever with HRC, or another infected Bush.  As I believe Chimpy does/did for Daddy and Daddy’s buddies, I think HRC’s actions or inactions could, as president, be in response to Bill Clinton’s record of actions.  We would not have the full weight of the presidency and some things would be off the table, or even preordained due to having to line up with a family member’s past decision.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very right. The Clintons are strictly a family business and they only sell second rate, low look product. It is a shame that we have to compare them to the Bush family business.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does it mean “Your comment is awaiting moderation”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845759"><em>leftdcin72 @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-845438"><em>Milan River @ 134</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What Wigwam wrote in #97 -<br />
Makes me not want more familial presidencies ever with HRC, or another infected Bush.  As I believe Chimpy does/did for Daddy and Daddy’s buddies, I think HRC’s actions or inactions could, as president, be in response to Bill Clinton’s record of actions.  We would not have the full weight of the presidency and some things would be off the table, or even preordained due to having to line up with a family member’s past decision.</p>
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<p>Very right. The Clintons are strictly a family business and they only sell second rate, low look product. It is a shame that we have to compare them to the Bush family business.</p>
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<p>What does it mean “Your comment is awaiting moderation”</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-845438&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Milan River @ 134&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What Wigwam wrote in #97 -&lt;br /&gt;
Makes me not want more familial presidencies ever with HRC, or another infected Bush.  As I believe Chimpy does/did for Daddy and Daddy’s buddies, I think HRC’s actions or inactions could, as president, be in response to Bill Clinton’s record of actions.  We would not have the full weight of the presidency and some things would be off the table, or even preordained due to having to line up with a family member’s past decision.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very right. The Clintons are strictly a family business and they only sell second rate, low look product. It is a shame that we have to compare them to the Bush family business.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-845438"><em>Milan River @ 134</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What Wigwam wrote in #97 -<br />
Makes me not want more familial presidencies ever with HRC, or another infected Bush.  As I believe Chimpy does/did for Daddy and Daddy’s buddies, I think HRC’s actions or inactions could, as president, be in response to Bill Clinton’s record of actions.  We would not have the full weight of the presidency and some things would be off the table, or even preordained due to having to line up with a family member’s past decision.</p>
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<p>Very right. The Clintons are strictly a family business and they only sell second rate, low look product. It is a shame that we have to compare them to the Bush family business.</p>
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