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		<title>By: SadButTrue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846468</link>
		<dc:creator>SadButTrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846353&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PMA @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846283&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 86&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone remenber &lt;em&gt;Sans-Culotte&lt;/em&gt;? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2007/07/missing-for-one-year.html&quot;&gt;Missing For One Year: Gone Quiet - But Not Forgotten&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t remember the blogger, but the website is a reminder of actual class warfare.  The things the Republicans call class warfare are actually mechanisms intended to preclude or mitigate the real thing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We (Les Enragés.org) kind of inherited the French Revolutionary motif from Sans-Culotte (OK we stole it), adding a guillotine as our logo. I’m proud to say that we do consider it one of our mandates to champion the underclass.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“&lt;i&gt;Surely, in the history of lies told to the population, this is the biggest lie. In the history of secrets, withheld from the American people, this is the biggest secret: that there are classes with different interests in this country. To ignore that–not to know that the history of our country is a history of slaveowner against slave, landlord against tenant, corporation against worker, rich against poor–is to render us helpless before all the lesser lies told to us by people in power…&lt;br /&gt;
…If we as citizens start out with an understanding that these people up there–the President, the Congress, the Supreme Court, all those institutions pretending to be “checks and balances”–do not have our interests at heart, we are on a course towards the truth. Not to know that is to make us helpless before determined liars.&lt;/i&gt;” — Howard Zinn&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://progressive.org/mag_zinn0406&quot;&gt;http://progressive.org/mag_zinn0406&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846353"><em>PMA @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-846283"><em>Lou Costello @ 86</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone remenber <em>Sans-Culotte</em>? </p>
<p><a href="http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2007/07/missing-for-one-year.html">Missing For One Year: Gone Quiet &#8211; But Not Forgotten</a></p>
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<p>I don’t remember the blogger, but the website is a reminder of actual class warfare.  The things the Republicans call class warfare are actually mechanisms intended to preclude or mitigate the real thing.</p>
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<p>We (Les Enragés.org) kind of inherited the French Revolutionary motif from Sans-Culotte (OK we stole it), adding a guillotine as our logo. I’m proud to say that we do consider it one of our mandates to champion the underclass.</p>
<p>“<i>Surely, in the history of lies told to the population, this is the biggest lie. In the history of secrets, withheld from the American people, this is the biggest secret: that there are classes with different interests in this country. To ignore that–not to know that the history of our country is a history of slaveowner against slave, landlord against tenant, corporation against worker, rich against poor–is to render us helpless before all the lesser lies told to us by people in power…<br />
…If we as citizens start out with an understanding that these people up there–the President, the Congress, the Supreme Court, all those institutions pretending to be “checks and balances”–do not have our interests at heart, we are on a course towards the truth. Not to know that is to make us helpless before determined liars.</i>” — Howard Zinn</p>
<p><a href="http://progressive.org/mag_zinn0406">http://progressive.org/mag_zinn0406</a></p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846438</link>
		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Althespook, was that you? Or someone who plays you on blogs?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Diva&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846289&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hmmm. @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Ack, EPU’d on my first post!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fern @ 71:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why would Abu G lie about something (eg. the Gang of Eight meeting that wasn’t) that could be so easily fact-checked?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too many things are falling into place all at once. Like the Pulp Fiction scene where Butch the boxer finds himself with the bad guy in front of him totally unawares and the gun in his hand, all without planning any of it. Only this time, it’s the bad guys making it happen, putting the clues right in front of us. The cheese-crumb trail has been made too irresistible, too easy to follow. Am I the only one who smells a trap?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree that BushCheneyCo is now clearly daring Democrats to take decisive corrective action (impeach, refer for prosecution, contempt, censure). I would go so far as to say they are now -forcing- the Democrats’ hand, leaving them no alternative to taking some manner of drastic step. But evil as BCCo may be, on the operational side these are patient, deliberate, grimly rational guys. They’ve spent years and years first developing their people and then placing them in key positions in all areas of USG. So if they’re forcing Democratic action now, then they must actually want it to happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So. Why?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why would they -want- to force the Democrats to take drastic action? Put the other way: What is BCCo’s next move (or moves) after the Democrats act?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What if a House vote to impeach is the pre-agreed trigger for the next pretext du jour (real or fake attack, engineered biohazard outbreak, etc), with martial law (of whatever horrifying severity you prefer to imagine) to follow hard upon?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let that sink in for a second.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now consider a twist to the plot: If that’s the ultimate weapon they’re wielding, then what if it’s being secretly used to bind Congress in a carefully constructed Catch-22? BCCo to Congressional leaders, sotto voce: “Don’t try to stop our realization (via precedent) of the Unitary Executive in any way, or else we execute the plan, now.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t that explain an awful lot?:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Congress not acting, “Impeachment’s off the table” despite popular outrage, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
- The smirks, the taunting, the contempt, the leading “That’s a very good question, Senator” — leading the investigation to the brink.&lt;br /&gt;
- All the anticipatory Executive Orders whose wording could be used against US citizens opposed to current war policy.&lt;br /&gt;
- The classified continuity-of-government documents that have been made unavailable to the relevant Congressional committee members.&lt;br /&gt;
- Chertoff etc. telegraphing attacks to come this summer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the cheese hasn’t been taken yet, maybe there’s a good reason that we just don’t know about. Yet. Or we might never know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this a trap? Do we want to go back?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or are they bluffing?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see any way to know for sure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Althespook, was that you? Or someone who plays you on blogs?</p>
<p>Diva</p>
<p><a href="#comment-846289"><em>Hmmm. @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>(Ack, EPU’d on my first post!)</p>
<p>Fern @ 71:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why would Abu G lie about something (eg. the Gang of Eight meeting that wasn’t) that could be so easily fact-checked?</p>
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<p>Too many things are falling into place all at once. Like the Pulp Fiction scene where Butch the boxer finds himself with the bad guy in front of him totally unawares and the gun in his hand, all without planning any of it. Only this time, it’s the bad guys making it happen, putting the clues right in front of us. The cheese-crumb trail has been made too irresistible, too easy to follow. Am I the only one who smells a trap?</p>
<p>I agree that BushCheneyCo is now clearly daring Democrats to take decisive corrective action (impeach, refer for prosecution, contempt, censure). I would go so far as to say they are now -forcing- the Democrats’ hand, leaving them no alternative to taking some manner of drastic step. But evil as BCCo may be, on the operational side these are patient, deliberate, grimly rational guys. They’ve spent years and years first developing their people and then placing them in key positions in all areas of USG. So if they’re forcing Democratic action now, then they must actually want it to happen.</p>
<p>So. Why?</p>
<p>Why would they -want- to force the Democrats to take drastic action? Put the other way: What is BCCo’s next move (or moves) after the Democrats act?</p>
<p>What if a House vote to impeach is the pre-agreed trigger for the next pretext du jour (real or fake attack, engineered biohazard outbreak, etc), with martial law (of whatever horrifying severity you prefer to imagine) to follow hard upon?</p>
<p>Let that sink in for a second.</p>
<p>Now consider a twist to the plot: If that’s the ultimate weapon they’re wielding, then what if it’s being secretly used to bind Congress in a carefully constructed Catch-22? BCCo to Congressional leaders, sotto voce: “Don’t try to stop our realization (via precedent) of the Unitary Executive in any way, or else we execute the plan, now.”</p>
<p>Wouldn’t that explain an awful lot?:</p>
<p>- Congress not acting, “Impeachment’s off the table” despite popular outrage, etc.<br />
- The smirks, the taunting, the contempt, the leading “That’s a very good question, Senator” — leading the investigation to the brink.<br />
- All the anticipatory Executive Orders whose wording could be used against US citizens opposed to current war policy.<br />
- The classified continuity-of-government documents that have been made unavailable to the relevant Congressional committee members.<br />
- Chertoff etc. telegraphing attacks to come this summer.</p>
<p>If the cheese hasn’t been taken yet, maybe there’s a good reason that we just don’t know about. Yet. Or we might never know.</p>
<p>Is this a trap? Do we want to go back?</p>
<p>Or are they bluffing?</p>
<p>I don’t see any way to know for sure.</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846393</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846185&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 19&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;PW, this is a very disturbing story, please keep us informed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks — will do!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846185"><em>Elliott @ 19</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>PW, this is a very disturbing story, please keep us informed.</p>
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<p>Thanks — will do!</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846358</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn’t see it noted, but new thread.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/why-no-attacks/#comments&quot;&gt;http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn’t see it noted, but new thread.<br />
<a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/why-no-attacks/#comments">http://www.firedoglake.com/200&#8230;../#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: PMA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846353</link>
		<dc:creator>PMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846283&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 86&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone remenber &lt;em&gt;Sans-Culotte&lt;/em&gt;? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2007/07/missing-for-one-year.html&quot;&gt;Missing For One Year: Gone Quiet - But Not Forgotten&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t remember the blogger, but the website is a reminder of actual class warfare.  The things the Republicans call class warfare are actually mechanisms intended to preclude or mitigate the real thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846283"><em>Lou Costello @ 86</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone remenber <em>Sans-Culotte</em>? </p>
<p><a href="http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2007/07/missing-for-one-year.html">Missing For One Year: Gone Quiet &#8211; But Not Forgotten</a></p>
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<p>I don’t remember the blogger, but the website is a reminder of actual class warfare.  The things the Republicans call class warfare are actually mechanisms intended to preclude or mitigate the real thing.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846344</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GordonM @ 96&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;No - they’ve been so busy assuming that they could create their own reality that everyone else could do naught but study that they completely forgot to come up with a plan B.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep. That nails it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GordonM @ 96</p>
<blockquote><p>No &#8211; they’ve been so busy assuming that they could create their own reality that everyone else could do naught but study that they completely forgot to come up with a plan B.</p>
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<p>Yep. That nails it.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846341</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;epu’d here -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but great work, PW!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>epu’d here -</p>
<p>but great work, PW!</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846338</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846318&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From JTA&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070724tishabavlamentation.html&quot;&gt;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....ation.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But for most Jews living in this sacred land, there is a sense that 60 years since the state was established and 40 years since Jerusalem was liberated, somehow there is something rotten in the State of Israel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Much of it stems from the poison of being a settler country (ditto U.S.).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846318"><em>Kathleen @ 93</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>From JTA<br />
<a href="http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070724tishabavlamentation.html">http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow&#8230;..ation.html</a></p>
<p>But for most Jews living in this sacred land, there is a sense that 60 years since the state was established and 40 years since Jerusalem was liberated, somehow there is something rotten in the State of Israel.</p>
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<p>Much of it stems from the poison of being a settler country (ditto U.S.).</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846336</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846214&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 42&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT..Digby has a nice link re: Mr and Mrs Thompson and the “Thompson twins”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2007/03/first-couplethe-thompson-family-fred.html&quot;&gt;http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2007.....-fred.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Steve. What’s the best way to clean Coca Cola out of a keyboard?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846214"><em>Steve-AR @ 42</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT..Digby has a nice link re: Mr and Mrs Thompson and the “Thompson twins”</p>
<p><a href="http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2007/03/first-couplethe-thompson-family-fred.html">http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2007&#8230;..-fred.html</a></p>
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<p>Thanks, Steve. What’s the best way to clean Coca Cola out of a keyboard?</p>
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		<title>By: PMA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/death-threats-and-perps/#comment-846332</link>
		<dc:creator>PMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846292&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fern @ 90&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846274&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PMA @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;It would still end up his word and that of four Republicans against that of four Democrats.  Apparently, if there is nothing on tape, he can claim anything.  He might even deny tape, photography, DNA, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So have any of the Repubs spoken on this yet?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t heard any yet.  From the blatant lies, I don’t think Gonzales really cares who supports or denies his stories. What is anybody going to do about it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846292"><em>Fern @ 90</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-846274"><em>PMA @ 83</em></a></p>
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<p>It would still end up his word and that of four Republicans against that of four Democrats.  Apparently, if there is nothing on tape, he can claim anything.  He might even deny tape, photography, DNA, etc.</p>
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<p>So have any of the Repubs spoken on this yet?</p>
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<p>I haven’t heard any yet.  From the blatant lies, I don’t think Gonzales really cares who supports or denies his stories. What is anybody going to do about it?</p>
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