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		<title>By: Newscat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-847052</link>
		<dc:creator>Newscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846038&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ironranger @ 19&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it even possible to list all the lies he told today, so many lies within lies. Fine Christian there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, I believe it would take the next four years to list even a large percentage of them.&lt;br /&gt;
I just wonder what one has to to do fire this guy! He’s had gentle suggestions from Congress,&lt;br /&gt;
which is the point at which you or I pick up our&lt;br /&gt;
last pay check. Instead, he now vows to do his&lt;br /&gt;
job! I believe they should have his memory problems checked out first however.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Is it even possible to list all the lies he told today, so many lies within lies. Fine Christian there.</p>
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<p>Sadly, I believe it would take the next four years to list even a large percentage of them.<br />
I just wonder what one has to to do fire this guy! He’s had gentle suggestions from Congress,<br />
which is the point at which you or I pick up our<br />
last pay check. Instead, he now vows to do his<br />
job! I believe they should have his memory problems checked out first however.</p>
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		<title>By: purpleOnion</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846628</link>
		<dc:creator>purpleOnion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why does Bush get away with the nonsense that executive privilege extends beyond the president? According to the Constitution “executive privilege” is the president’s alone. It does not extend to every staff member, every cabinet member, in fact, it doesn’t extend to the vice president. Otherwise, executive privilege could extend all the way down to a grunt in the field, and we know that was not the intent. What is going on? Let’s get on with it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is nothing I want more than to see that smirk wiped off of chimp’s face, and that absurd smug chip on the shoulder routine we have been putting up with from right wing pundits for far to long.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Impeach hell, indict.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The president should be arrested for blocking the testimony of Harriet Miers. It is obstruction of justice. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The self-serving creeps need to feel the full force of the law, as any other common criminal in this country, because we as a nation have been feeling the full force of their criminality for far too long. Why Americans are passive about this is beyond reason. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The passionless few have usurped the right to be respected, and that is going too far. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You mean Alberto Gonzales is not gone. Why, not??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Bush get away with the nonsense that executive privilege extends beyond the president? According to the Constitution “executive privilege” is the president’s alone. It does not extend to every staff member, every cabinet member, in fact, it doesn’t extend to the vice president. Otherwise, executive privilege could extend all the way down to a grunt in the field, and we know that was not the intent. What is going on? Let’s get on with it. </p>
<p>There is nothing I want more than to see that smirk wiped off of chimp’s face, and that absurd smug chip on the shoulder routine we have been putting up with from right wing pundits for far to long.</p>
<p>“Impeach hell, indict.”</p>
<p>The president should be arrested for blocking the testimony of Harriet Miers. It is obstruction of justice. </p>
<p>The self-serving creeps need to feel the full force of the law, as any other common criminal in this country, because we as a nation have been feeling the full force of their criminality for far too long. Why Americans are passive about this is beyond reason. </p>
<p>The passionless few have usurped the right to be respected, and that is going too far. </p>
<p>You mean Alberto Gonzales is not gone. Why, not??</p>
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		<title>By: swag</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846477</link>
		<dc:creator>swag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846133&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846123&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;swag @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Might want to correct the spelling of “Daschle” in the header of the post.  I’ am such a wanker: first I correct Laura Rozen on “ad nauseam” and now this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also I hate posting via Motorola Q phone, but it kills time on the bus home.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s okay, you’re not a wanker.  I refrained from correcting Joe Klein’s &lt;em&gt;In Memori&lt;b&gt;u&lt;/b&gt;m&lt;/em&gt; post last week, since his friend the cartoonist had just died.  But I really wanted to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Always a delight to find another fan of the accusative case.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846133"><em>TeddySanFran @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-846123"><em>swag @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Might want to correct the spelling of “Daschle” in the header of the post.  I’ am such a wanker: first I correct Laura Rozen on “ad nauseam” and now this.</p>
<p>Also I hate posting via Motorola Q phone, but it kills time on the bus home.</p>
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<p>It’s okay, you’re not a wanker.  I refrained from correcting Joe Klein’s <em>In Memori<b>u</b>m</em> post last week, since his friend the cartoonist had just died.  But I really wanted to.</p>
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<p>Always a delight to find another fan of the accusative case.</p>
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		<title>By: DrenchedOtter</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846426</link>
		<dc:creator>DrenchedOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess see things a bit differently.  I don’t see that the committees have uncovered any big smoking gun yet that might make a big difference in the next few weeks.  There are lots of real and potential subpoenas, as well as possible contempt citations and impeachment proceedings, but they will all still be there in September.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me it’s a good plan to have the Republican members of Congress go back to their constituents and try to explain why they won’t allow a resolution that draws down troops in Iraq to be voted on, why they are supporting an Attorney General that is at best evasive and incompetent, etc., etc.  Meanwhile I think the Democrats themselves do well with some time away from the spotlights.  They came back much better organized after the July 4 break, I’m hopeful they’ll come back with more focused and aggressive investigations after a few weeks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess see things a bit differently.  I don’t see that the committees have uncovered any big smoking gun yet that might make a big difference in the next few weeks.  There are lots of real and potential subpoenas, as well as possible contempt citations and impeachment proceedings, but they will all still be there in September.</p>
<p>It seems to me it’s a good plan to have the Republican members of Congress go back to their constituents and try to explain why they won’t allow a resolution that draws down troops in Iraq to be voted on, why they are supporting an Attorney General that is at best evasive and incompetent, etc., etc.  Meanwhile I think the Democrats themselves do well with some time away from the spotlights.  They came back much better organized after the July 4 break, I’m hopeful they’ll come back with more focused and aggressive investigations after a few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: squiddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846420</link>
		<dc:creator>squiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s a prophetic image running with the Abu story on reuters.com.  There he is, frowning and cropped deliberately short, with just the room’s ‘exit’ sign over his sunken shoulder.  Loved it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a prophetic image running with the Abu story on reuters.com.  There he is, frowning and cropped deliberately short, with just the room’s ‘exit’ sign over his sunken shoulder.  Loved it!</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846398</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846089&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 68&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846069&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @ 49&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES.  I am worried sick at the thought of the next recess appointments; we’ve already got a slew of people like Eric Edelman who have no business collecting a paycheck from us any longer still in office because of past recess appointments.  We can’t get rid of them fast enough and now we might get more of them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this is important enough that we should be contacting Reid’s and Pelosi’s offices and telling them that they can’t take the time off, that they MUST avoid recesses at all costs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is like a fundraising death knell to Dems in the House and Senate up for re-election in ‘08.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is NOT a vacation for them. This is primo fundraising time. You want to just call up and say, “throw away both majorities. no biggie”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are going to ask them to keep the shop open, you have to tell them how we can make up the lost contributions. Even so, they will be scared shitless AND their members will be furious at them&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LHP, I’ve already started writing various Congresscritters that I will no longer to donate to any incumbents until impeachment is back on the table and underway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So perhaps along with that stick, we can dangle a carrot… No recess, put impeachment on the table and we can start a special fundraiser out of gratitude.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846089"><em>looseheadprop @ 68</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-846069"><em>Rayne @ 49</em></a></p>
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<p>YES.  I am worried sick at the thought of the next recess appointments; we’ve already got a slew of people like Eric Edelman who have no business collecting a paycheck from us any longer still in office because of past recess appointments.  We can’t get rid of them fast enough and now we might get more of them?</p>
<p>I think this is important enough that we should be contacting Reid’s and Pelosi’s offices and telling them that they can’t take the time off, that they MUST avoid recesses at all costs.</p>
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<p>That is like a fundraising death knell to Dems in the House and Senate up for re-election in ‘08.</p>
<p>This is NOT a vacation for them. This is primo fundraising time. You want to just call up and say, “throw away both majorities. no biggie”</p>
<p>If you are going to ask them to keep the shop open, you have to tell them how we can make up the lost contributions. Even so, they will be scared shitless AND their members will be furious at them</p>
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<p>LHP, I’ve already started writing various Congresscritters that I will no longer to donate to any incumbents until impeachment is back on the table and underway.</p>
<p>So perhaps along with that stick, we can dangle a carrot… No recess, put impeachment on the table and we can start a special fundraiser out of gratitude.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846387</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846080&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*xyz @ 60&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Remember how we recently pushed Democrats to force a Republican filibuster?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t we do the same thing to stop them from allowing an August recess?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t this be a perfect focused project for collective action on our part?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846080"><em>*xyz @ 60</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Remember how we recently pushed Democrats to force a Republican filibuster?</p>
<p>Shouldn’t we do the same thing to stop them from allowing an August recess?</p>
<p>Wouldn’t this be a perfect focused project for collective action on our part?</p>
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<p>Absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846363</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846034&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Woodhall Hollow @ 15&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Abu would not have been instructed to go and tell such an outrageous and easily refuted lie unless he was being positioned as a faux shiny object to distract from some very real crimes.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I think Whitehouse managed to hone in on one very real issue.  As did Kennedy on the torture issue.  He steadfastly refused to comment on Waterboarding etc, because he was protecting Cheney.  Who is, in fact, a War Criminal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you are spot on.  Now that people are seriously discussing impeaching Bush and Cheney, they may well be hoping to make Gonzo such an obvious target, that he will be impeached first and by himself to buy B&amp;C more time to shred the Constitution.  I see no reason why we can’t take all 3 down at the same time and right now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846034"><em>Woodhall Hollow @ 15</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Abu would not have been instructed to go and tell such an outrageous and easily refuted lie unless he was being positioned as a faux shiny object to distract from some very real crimes.  </p>
<p>But I think Whitehouse managed to hone in on one very real issue.  As did Kennedy on the torture issue.  He steadfastly refused to comment on Waterboarding etc, because he was protecting Cheney.  Who is, in fact, a War Criminal.</p>
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<p>I think you are spot on.  Now that people are seriously discussing impeaching Bush and Cheney, they may well be hoping to make Gonzo such an obvious target, that he will be impeached first and by himself to buy B&amp;C more time to shred the Constitution.  I see no reason why we can’t take all 3 down at the same time and right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/daschele-calls-abu-a-liar/#comment-846334</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-846127&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;tbsa @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;How much more do they need?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I lost count of the number of times I have asked that very question.  What the hell would it take?  I’m starting to think there is nothing they can do that would move anyone to stop bushco.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I called my congressman about one (or 3) of his votes. His staffer said, ‘Bush would just veto it anyway.’&lt;br /&gt;
So you don’t even try?  What kind of  work ethic is that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-846127"><em>tbsa @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>How much more do they need?</p></blockquote>
<p>I lost count of the number of times I have asked that very question.  What the hell would it take?  I’m starting to think there is nothing they can do that would move anyone to stop bushco.</p>
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<p>I called my congressman about one (or 3) of his votes. His staffer said, ‘Bush would just veto it anyway.’<br />
So you don’t even try?  What kind of  work ethic is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Too many things are falling into place all at once.  Like the Pulp Fiction scene where Butch the boxer finds himself with the bad guy in front of him totally unawares and the gun in his hand, all without planning any of it.  Only this time, it’s the bad guys making it happen, putting the clues right in front of us.  The cheese-crumb trail has been made too irresistible, too easy to follow.  Am I the only one who smells a trap?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree that BushCheneyCo is now clearly daring Democrats to take decisive corrective action (impeach, refer for prosecution, contempt, censure).  I would go so far as to say they are now -forcing- the Democrats’ hand, leaving them no alternative to taking some manner of drastic step.  But evil as BCCo may be, on the operational side these are patient, deliberate, grimly rational guys.  They’ve spent years and years first developing their people and then placing them in key positions in all areas of USG.  So if they’re forcing Democratic action now, then they must actually want it to happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So.  Why?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why would they -want- to force the Democrats to take drastic action?  Put the other way: What is BCCo’s next move (or moves) after the Democrats act?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What if a House vote to impeach is the pre-agreed trigger for the next pretext du jour (real or fake attack, engineered biohazard outbreak, etc), with martial law (of whatever horrifying severity you prefer to imagine) to follow hard upon?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let that sink in for a second.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now consider a twist to the plot: If that’s the ultimate weapon they’re wielding, then what if it’s being secretly used to bind Congress in a carefully constructed Catch-22?  BCCo to Congressional leaders, sotto voce: “Don’t try to stop our realization (via precedent) of the Unitary Executive in any way, or else we execute the plan, now.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t that explain an awful lot?:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Congress not acting, “Impeachment’s off the table” despite popular outrage, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
- The smirks, the taunting, the contempt, the leading “That’s a very good question, Senator” — leading the investigation to the brink.&lt;br /&gt;
- All the anticipatory Executive Orders whose wording could be used against US citizens opposed to current war policy.&lt;br /&gt;
- The classified continuity-of-government documents that have been made unavailable to the relevant Congressional committee members.&lt;br /&gt;
- Chertoff etc. telegraphing attacks to come this summer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the cheese hasn’t been taken yet, maybe there’s a good reason that we just don’t know about.  Yet.  Or we might never know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this a trap?  Do we want to go back?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or are they bluffing?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see any way to know for sure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many things are falling into place all at once.  Like the Pulp Fiction scene where Butch the boxer finds himself with the bad guy in front of him totally unawares and the gun in his hand, all without planning any of it.  Only this time, it’s the bad guys making it happen, putting the clues right in front of us.  The cheese-crumb trail has been made too irresistible, too easy to follow.  Am I the only one who smells a trap?</p>
<p>I agree that BushCheneyCo is now clearly daring Democrats to take decisive corrective action (impeach, refer for prosecution, contempt, censure).  I would go so far as to say they are now -forcing- the Democrats’ hand, leaving them no alternative to taking some manner of drastic step.  But evil as BCCo may be, on the operational side these are patient, deliberate, grimly rational guys.  They’ve spent years and years first developing their people and then placing them in key positions in all areas of USG.  So if they’re forcing Democratic action now, then they must actually want it to happen.</p>
<p>So.  Why?</p>
<p>Why would they -want- to force the Democrats to take drastic action?  Put the other way: What is BCCo’s next move (or moves) after the Democrats act?</p>
<p>What if a House vote to impeach is the pre-agreed trigger for the next pretext du jour (real or fake attack, engineered biohazard outbreak, etc), with martial law (of whatever horrifying severity you prefer to imagine) to follow hard upon?  </p>
<p>Let that sink in for a second.</p>
<p>Now consider a twist to the plot: If that’s the ultimate weapon they’re wielding, then what if it’s being secretly used to bind Congress in a carefully constructed Catch-22?  BCCo to Congressional leaders, sotto voce: “Don’t try to stop our realization (via precedent) of the Unitary Executive in any way, or else we execute the plan, now.”</p>
<p>Wouldn’t that explain an awful lot?:</p>
<p>- Congress not acting, “Impeachment’s off the table” despite popular outrage, etc.<br />
- The smirks, the taunting, the contempt, the leading “That’s a very good question, Senator” — leading the investigation to the brink.<br />
- All the anticipatory Executive Orders whose wording could be used against US citizens opposed to current war policy.<br />
- The classified continuity-of-government documents that have been made unavailable to the relevant Congressional committee members.<br />
- Chertoff etc. telegraphing attacks to come this summer.</p>
<p>If the cheese hasn’t been taken yet, maybe there’s a good reason that we just don’t know about.  Yet.  Or we might never know.</p>
<p>Is this a trap?  Do we want to go back?</p>
<p>Or are they bluffing?</p>
<p>I don’t see any way to know for sure.</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
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