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	<title>Comments on: Alberto Gonzales Testimony, Part III</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-846357</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844677&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;lambchops @ 157&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Didn’t Goodling testify that Abu called her to his office?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes she did and she said they discussed her testimony. Whether he ‘coached’ her is of course debatable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is probably a list of about 30 things Gonzales could find on an impeachment bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-844677"><em>lambchops @ 157</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Didn’t Goodling testify that Abu called her to his office?</p>
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<p>Yes she did and she said they discussed her testimony. Whether he ‘coached’ her is of course debatable.</p>
<p>There is probably a list of about 30 things Gonzales could find on an impeachment bill.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-846339</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844623&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peterr @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Impeachment proceedings start in the House, not the Senate, but if this keeps up, Leahy &amp; Co may be in the process of drafting a letter to Conyers spelling out the specifics of AGAG’s perjury before their committee and his obstruction of their committee’s work, suggesting that a House impeachment inquiry may be in order.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their hand is being forced by Gonzales and it appears to be obvious to everyone that NOW is the time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-844623"><em>Peterr @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Impeachment proceedings start in the House, not the Senate, but if this keeps up, Leahy &amp; Co may be in the process of drafting a letter to Conyers spelling out the specifics of AGAG’s perjury before their committee and his obstruction of their committee’s work, suggesting that a House impeachment inquiry may be in order.</p>
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<p>Their hand is being forced by Gonzales and it appears to be obvious to everyone that NOW is the time.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-846326</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844581&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 62&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh god. Feingold is going ahead with the censure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know whether to criticize it or not. It can give us a headcount on what would happen if impeachment of Bush happened today, but not more than that. I’d suggest he hold off a bit until the House can get impeachment (of Gonzales) underway and then test the waters with censure. That might be more useful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-844581"><em>mui @ 62</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Oh god. Feingold is going ahead with the censure.</p>
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<p>I don’t know whether to criticize it or not. It can give us a headcount on what would happen if impeachment of Bush happened today, but not more than that. I’d suggest he hold off a bit until the House can get impeachment (of Gonzales) underway and then test the waters with censure. That might be more useful.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844839</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cardin: The hospital visit. Your answers. Same thing as Sara Taylor. You feel you can answer questions if they make you look good, but nothing else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardin: The hospital visit. Your answers. Same thing as Sara Taylor. You feel you can answer questions if they make you look good, but nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: realworld</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844768</link>
		<dc:creator>realworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whitehouse just came as close to calling someone a perjurer as you can do in a setting like this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitehouse just came as close to calling someone a perjurer as you can do in a setting like this.</p>
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		<title>By: pdsnh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844766</link>
		<dc:creator>pdsnh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844656&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Knut Wicksell @ 136&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844626&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*xyz @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Short answer: if censure succeeds, Democrats in Congress will be able to claim they have ‘done something’ to reprimand Bush and his administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Republicans will claim that censure is sufficient and we should all ‘move on’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All momentum for impeachment will be lost. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you aim for censure, it is the most you will ever get.  It will represent the uppermost limit of the penalties that will be meted out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod: please save this for after liveblogging]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This discussion is off-topic here, but has a life of its own.  I disagree with the premise that censure puts the Dems and Republicans off the hook.  It’s more like a test vote.  Impeachment can easily go ahead on Gonzales, who is the lowest hangning fruit, and deserves independently of what happens to his bosses.  I think the SJC are setting him up for it.  This pressures Bush to try to ease him out and sneak in a recess appointment, which will raise the roof.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree - will almost certainly be Hatch whom Bush will nominate, then recess appoint.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Mod: &lt;em&gt;Christy has asked us to stay on topic, does this fit with what she has requested?&lt;/em&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-844656"><em>Knut Wicksell @ 136</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-844626"><em>*xyz @ 106</em></a></p>
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<p>Short answer: if censure succeeds, Democrats in Congress will be able to claim they have ‘done something’ to reprimand Bush and his administration.</p>
<p>And Republicans will claim that censure is sufficient and we should all ‘move on’.</p>
<p>All momentum for impeachment will be lost. </p>
<p>If you aim for censure, it is the most you will ever get.  It will represent the uppermost limit of the penalties that will be meted out.</p>
<p><em>[Mod: please save this for after liveblogging]</em></p>
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<p>This discussion is off-topic here, but has a life of its own.  I disagree with the premise that censure puts the Dems and Republicans off the hook.  It’s more like a test vote.  Impeachment can easily go ahead on Gonzales, who is the lowest hangning fruit, and deserves independently of what happens to his bosses.  I think the SJC are setting him up for it.  This pressures Bush to try to ease him out and sneak in a recess appointment, which will raise the roof.</p>
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<p>I agree &#8211; will almost certainly be Hatch whom Bush will nominate, then recess appoint.</p>
<p>[Mod: <em>Christy has asked us to stay on topic, does this fit with what she has requested?</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: brainblob</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844764</link>
		<dc:creator>brainblob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[Whitehouse will be played by Alec Baldwin when Aaron Sorkin redeems himself and writes the movie about this.]  It strikes me that in this setting someone like the occasionally maverick Sen. grassley could write his name into history with some soaring oratory, Some “j’accuse!” or an “at long last, sir..”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Whitehouse will be played by Alec Baldwin when Aaron Sorkin redeems himself and writes the movie about this.]  It strikes me that in this setting someone like the occasionally maverick Sen. grassley could write his name into history with some soaring oratory, Some “j’accuse!” or an “at long last, sir..”</p>
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		<title>By: ruffian</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844763</link>
		<dc:creator>ruffian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ET~hahahahaha&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ET~hahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: ironranger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844750</link>
		<dc:creator>ironranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whitehouse sounds agitated . Go get ‘im.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitehouse sounds agitated . Go get ‘im.</p>
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		<title>By: ShaneRollins</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/24/alberto-gonzales-testimony-part-iii-2/#comment-844748</link>
		<dc:creator>ShaneRollins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-844739&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr. Gonzales, is it true you have a dartboard of justice that you use to decide capital crimes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I figured they used the Wheel of Fortune board game&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-844739"><em>GSD @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Gonzales, is it true you have a dartboard of justice that you use to decide capital crimes?</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>I figured they used the Wheel of Fortune board game</p>
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