…that Joe Lieberman would make it his business to make Joe Lieberman the big issue?
No one was surprised to see Joseph I. Lieberman , the Democrat-turned-independent from Connecticut, siding with the Republican leadership this month during the latest Senate debate over the Iraq War.
Lately, though, Lieberman has taken his alliance with GOP leaders up a notch. During the abortive debate on the defense authorization bill, he attended daily tactical sessions to help them plan their strategy for combatting anti-war amendments and their rhetorical points for use against the Democrats. And in a fitting symbolic twist, some of those meetings convened just down the hall from the office of Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who essentially owes his 51-seat majority to Lieberman’s continued caucusing with the Democrats.
Before the Democrats realized they could not break a GOP filibuster and set aside their anti-war crusade last week, the meetings were the main forum for developing the GOP counterpunching strategy. For example, the group — which typically included GOP leaders such as Minority Whip Trent Lott of Mississippi and prominent supporters of the war such as John McCain of Arizona — decided to highlight a Lieberman amendment that would have required the administration to report on Iranian support for attacks against coalition forces in Iraq.
I hate to say “We told you so.”…but we did. You don’t lance the boil, it continues to fester and just ends up getting bigger and more painful with every passing moment. And at this point, Joe Lieberman’s ego has boiled over. How’s that working for you, Democratic leadership in the Senate?
(H/T to Atrios for the CQ link. Photo via the Huffington Post.)
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Zed!
No Zed… :(
Dang. Had a nice conversation going and got stomped on by a new thread.
and I had such high hopes for the Senator…
Can’t understand why the Dems continue to cater to Joe, can’t they feel the knife in their backs?
I just have to ask a rhetorical question, why don’t the Dem.s make him caucus with the GOP and remove him for some committee positions?
punaise @ 5
Higher than wormshit?
Everytime I see his picture, my blood pressure rises.
Joe is unfortunately an unfixable problem for the Senate leadership.
For which both of my senators should head their heads in shame.
Heckua job, Chuck and Hill.
argos at 7 — As I understand it, once they gave him the positions that he holds in terms of committee assignments and such in the Senate for the 110th Congress, there is a lot they have to go through to strip them out again. In other words, kowtowing to him early was a huge error in judgment. And one that they should not make again. Bob Geiger has researched this quite a bit — if I get time, I’ll look up a link or two on this and post it here.
Or I guess said another way, what is the advantage in keeping him in place?
punaise @ 5
Um, pun, you feeling ok today?
Helpless Dancer @ 8
you could say I was being feces-cious. my unwavering contempt for Lieberman is a recurring theme here.
You’ve gotta believe he finds out what the Dems are thinking and obediently reports back to the GOP. Unbelievable.
Diane @ 6
it probably has a lot to do with the power of blackmail, as discussed by several commenters in the last thread.
Joe may have hidden leverage on his colleagues from a couple of angles…
the ostensible opposition party needs to grasp the nettle and let the chips fall where they may …. Impeach!
whatever penny-ante scandal is leaked to Drudge in retaliation will be swamped by the main attraction…
Thanks it has been a puzzlement to me for a long time.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
argosfalcon @ 7
They can’t remove him because the organizing resolution is locked in for the rest of this congress but I also don’t get why they give him anything at all. Let him go caucus with the reThugs and come 2009, let him beg for any further influence.
LS @ 15
If Reid still allows RGJoe to attend Democratic caucus strategy sessions, he’s incredibly naive. Please tell me that doesn’t happen.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
I think (hope) we can assume those Committee assignments will NOT be forthcoming after November 2008.
Try and imagine how much I loathe Joe Lieberman. I didn’t like him when I lived in Connecticut (over ten years) and I like him less and less with each passing day.
If Joe was a song on the radio, I would change the station. Pity it’s not that easy.
OT and I have been out of touch, but has there been any discussion here on the Orange Revolution to Impeach Bush and Cheney that begins today. I’ve been buying orange shirts, ordering orange Impeach wristbands, but I’m starting to think I’m one of the only ones taking part. I think it is a great idea that could grow, but I’ve only seen it mentioned at a few websites.
Oh gawd, please don’t get me started on Mr. Lieberman.
Rick DeVille @ 21
Try TO imagine… And me an English major. Sheesh.
Click here if you really want to turn the agony up to 11.
Recently I was playing the “what if” game in my own mind, and it occurred to me that if Bill Clinton hadn’t had scandals of a sexual nature, Gore probably would not have felt compelled to choose someone like Joe as a running mate.
No point, just pondering is all…
Well at lest in Blunt country you know what your getting (and its not going to be pleasant), with the big L, in following what went on here during his election. Well I just can’t believe someone put lipstick on that pig and danced with it all the to the senate.
Just sent emails to Maloney (NYC rep) and Hinchey (rep where my country house is):
Renee in Ohio @ 26
Aaaaagh…the words “sexual” and “Joe” in the same post! Aaaaagh….*bangs head on desk*
This about sums it up for me
Harry Learning His Lesson
Dover Bitch @ 25
The only way to stop RGHoJo….IMPEACH! Cut off the head and the body dies.
Rick DeVille @ 29
it’s an emanation of his willie
Renee in Ohio @ 26
What I keep trying to figure out is what does Joe get out of this? The Republicans are using him, he has to know that the Dems probably can’t stand him, he’s not going to run for higher office (fingers crossed), he most likely is not going to run for the Senate again, so what is it? He is selling out for nothing, as nearly as I can tell.
Where’s Mui? I promise not to get started up again! ;)
zed ?? Naww…cant be…
That picture of JoeL makes him look like the cat got his teeth. Or at least the upper plate. Maybe he does that to hide the lack of chin.
It isn’t working any better than his pose as an ‘independent Democrat’.
And if I were a member of the Democratic caucus, I’d schedule the real business for the same time as the Republican caucus, and quietly table any real business if JoeL shows up.
So thats what they found when they went spelunking up W’s backside.
Make it go away please.
punaise at 32: Nice one.
punaise @ 32
I really could’ve lived without that. Still funny though.
Twain @ 33
They must be throwing that monkey something to keep him dancing to their tune. The question is what.
They backed themselves into a corner on Joey the LIEberman. I think it works like this – LIEberman’s chairmanship is specified in the organizing resolution, as are all committee chairmanships.
The Dems would have to change the organizing resolution to take away his chairmanship. Of course, this would be blocked. And, if you opened up that can of worms, Joe would likely switch parties and all the chairmanships could be changed.
The current organizing resolution is what would keep the Dems in control of the committees even if Joe switched parties. So we are stuck.
Heck of a job Democrats!
well if I had seen the comment page.. I wouldnt have z e d d e d you think? Face red, looking at my boots.
Twain at 33
“What I keep trying to figure out is what does Joe get out of this? The Republicans are using him, he has to know that the Dems probably can’t stand him, he’s not going to run for higher office (fingers crossed), he most likely is not going to run for the Senate again, so what is it? He is selling out for nothing, as nearly as I can tell.”
The scary thing is that I think he has crossed the line into the delusional (like Bush, etc.) and he actually thinks he is being “principled”…
TeddySanFran @ 19
He’s there to provide a sensible, centrist perspective and counteract all those dirty f*****g hippy bloggers,
like Field Marshal Kos, who have hijacked the real Democratic party.
Lieberman is a yellow-belly, lying, draft dodging hypocrite. I don’t know of any plainer way of saying it. Democrats: Deal with this man. Just where is this man’s twenty year old son. He’s not in uniform.
RGJoe does not “know that the Democracts probably can’t stand him.” He gets standing ovations from the caucus, he is told by the majority leader than no Senator is respected more than he, and his Iran Not-Quite-War Resolution passes unanimously. In RGJoe’s world, he’s loved and respected — and able to unite a factional Senate.
In LieberWorld, he’s a statesman, a post-partisan uniter, and a critical bridge between the Executive and the Legislative. Our disdain and contempt do not reach him — much.
Delbert!
Where ya been? We’ve missed you.
OT
If you really want to lose your lunch,
I put my mugshot on my Facebook homepage.
la mujer salvaje @ 43
Yep, good Q. I suspect he’s in the true believers’ camp. And believing that he is right is synonymous with believing he will win. Thus he perceives no downside. We call that delusional; he calls it moral.
Leiberman the guy who can say “I voted for the war before I voted not to end it”.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
You don’t like him?
OT ( a little) What is happening with the SJC hearing on Tuesday… anyone know?
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2842
We need to find a way to get RGJoe to go into business with Ted Stevens or one of Ted’s buddies, so we can end up showing him the door to a jail cell soon. Joe is getting so insufferable, I might end up being contemptuous of him.
O/t -
For the dial-up impaired, could anyone please provide some idea of content on the new video called “Jetblows” now playing on some of the blogs?
Just stopped by to say, once again:
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
Waccamaw @ 53
Have not seen it Linky anyone?
EPU’d from last thread, I heard on the news that AGAG’s 26 page opening statement sticks his thumb in Leahy’s eye. No mention of any of the Leahy Qs; switches subject to terrorism stuff, like passing updated FISA legislation.
eCAHNomics @ 56
Thank you much
argosfalcon @ 27
Blunt has also decided to spark a border war with the Kansas side, as if we needed that!
Lieberman is working for the same old bandstand:
American Israel Paranoia Association of Con-artists.
Just to add to the Joe L. tale…
Read down in the article.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/ne…..6bf8a.html
Lieberman is where he is because the big honcho’s in the Democratic Party refused to throw their support to Ned Lamont. I asked Sen. Carl Levin if he would support Lamont and the gist of his response was that he a Lieberman where “good friends.” Everyone knew what Lieberman was and is. Why blame Lieberman when the blame belongs at the feet of the Democratic Party?
argosfalcon
Saw it at Kos and another site I can’t remember.
kinmo @ 58
Well I guess he ran out of shiny objects to distract people with, besides an unprovoked war is part of the playbook for the R’s.
egregious @ 47
Yes. One in the same. Do you post there?
Waccamaw @ 61
Thanks
To think that Lieberman is supposed to be dealing with “homeland” security and yet hasn’t even bothered to delve into the anthrax scare nor the Katrina debacle is unforgivable. And yet he has all the time to take his Henny Penny pony show on the MSM, scaring us about Iran. Lest we forget…Valerie Plame was working on nukes in Iran, yet LIEberman staunchly supports the very administration that outed her. Lieberman is a mole for the Republicans, plain and simple. Again I say, for we Nutmeggers, we deeply apologize for this poor excuse for a man.
argosfalcon @ 64
Now that was funny two classes of passengers Fox viewers, and those dirty hippies, Jet Blue we only have room for the right wing.
Bluetoe @ 60
Exactly! Joe’s outtahere in 15 months when the Dems pick up another seat or two int he Senate. At that point they can dump him, since he doesn’t offer them anything they don’t have already. I think that they supported him in 2006 as a risk-averse strategy. They believed that Lamont couldn’t win in the general election, despite the incompetence of his Rethug opponent.
Play it safe has been the motto of our party for the last 25 years. Let Lieberman be a lesson to them.
Just called CCs (CongressCritters) Maloney & Hinchey re impeachment. Maloney’s asst just took my name & address & recorded that I favored it. Hinchey’s asst was more interested in a conversation. Since I’d already sent an email with the substance of why I backed impeachment, I engaged her on the tactics. She seemed quite interested in my supposition that they shouldn’t count votes before launching the procedure, because R votes would change during the process and evidence came out & public got more outraaged. Seemed like this was a new idea for her.
LIEberman’s no R mole. He’s an out & out R.
egregious @ 47
Wul, thank you EGREGIOUS. I am facing up to a low bid offer to buy my humble adobe here in Frejole’ Flats, Fort Worth Texas. These clapboard duplexes built in the 30s for the Army air Force families, facing WW II and I were put together about the same time. LOL. My Marine Corps buddies want me to move to Florida where they can antogize me in person. Bein’s as to how my parents never married, I’m up for that. AND we have got to take the HILL again, and replant the flag, SIR. SEMPER FIDELIS.
Joe Lieberman has hitched his start to Chimpys 25% wagon.
Joe Lieberman, everyone’s favorite boil.
-GSD
Paul Slansky at HuffPo says:
And let’s not overlook this (another exec. order from Bush). This is not a parody. This is real. What it basically means is that Bush and Cheney can decide that anyone who dares to criticize them — which is to say, any or all of us — is threatening the peace and stability of Iraq, and can therefore have all their money and possessions confiscated. Have you heard a great Democratic hue and cry — or even a bleat — about this stunningly brazen presumption of power? Are the Germany-in-the-’30s comparisons still over the top? Sheep to the slaughter, every useless one of them.
Oh, and Nader, thanks again, you smug, self-righteous egomaniac. Think Gore would have let all of this happen?
eCAHNomics @ 68
Yes, this is the key point. The reThugs will start abandoning the sinking stinking BushCo ship as soon as impeachment hearings get real airtime. The way to successfully impeach and convict is through the hearings. This is (also) why the the censure idea is so bad. It is both toothless and premature.
Morris Sheppard @ 54
Just wanted to say agreed although mine is a little more and a little longer. *g*
“What I keep trying to figure out is what does Joe get out of this? The Republicans are using him, he has to know that the Dems probably can’t stand him, he’s not going to run for higher office (fingers crossed), he most likely is not going to run for the Senate again, so what is it? He is selling out for nothing, as nearly as I can tell.”
It’s not “nothing”, and RGJoe obviously doesn’t look on it as “selling out”. He’s simply remaining true to his only genuine constituents, the right wing and the rich. Supporting these fuckers is the same as supporting himself. He’s one of them, after all.
Digby has recently given a name to the corrupt oligarchy that runs Washington’s media: “the Village”. I like the name, and I think it’s a concept that nicely covers Official Washington as a whole, the politicos as well as the media parasites. Lieberman is part of this group, as are most (if not all) of the Democratic “leadership”. That’s why the latter supported him in his hour of need against Ned Lamont. Simply chalk that up to that old standard, the Incumbency Protection Racket, if you will. It amounts to much the same thing.
I could make a small fortune on Joe Lieberman voodoo dolls.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 72
And here I thought there had to BE peace and stability before it could be threatened. Logically awkward threatening something that does not exist. Not that logic is a strong suit with this lot.
Why don’t we do a major call-in, and emails to Harry Reid regarding Mr. Lieberman?
Waccamaw @ 53
Do you mean this? It’s cute.
http://www.americablog.com/2007/07/jetblows.html
teddy at 19 says-”If Reid still allows RGJoe to attend Democratic caucus strategy sessions, he’s incredibly naive. Please tell me that doesn’t happen.”
don’t have a link, but a few months ago, joe threatened to not attend the dems breakfast meetings, i believe one of the reasons was because of the ‘nasty tone’ of the meetings or partisanship, etc….don’t remember the other reason….yep…..harry reorganised the meetings so joe would attend..i thought at the time, why is he kissin’ his butt to this extent?…it was right around the time joe reorganised his committee’s seats to be alternating dem, rep, dem, rep…….
it was probably on either cnn.com or wapo…..sorry, i would search for it, but i’m on dialup and in the middle of packing….
Reid is Marty McFly Sr. to Lieberman’s Biff Tannen (pre-time machine)
Morning Christy.
Been out weeding too long in the heat.
Come in to this?!
OMG what a perfect pic you found for your screed.
It says it all. It’s all about Joe. *blergh*
Back to read after I get a cuppa. This will require some strength & dedication. I’m impressed you can stand to write about him. I hope you loaded it with plenty of nice snark. I’m gonna need that… ;->
GSD @ 72
25% is the good news:
When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 23% approve and 73% disapprove.
In view of all the DJ 14,000 hype I’ve been hearing on RW wingnut radio, this is fairly remarkable, and shows that, unlike the Clinton years, fewer middle class people can afford to invest now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
HJ is without doubt a swine of the first water (but I would scratch the yellow-belly part, which I think has its origins in WWII-era racist anti-Japanese propaganda).
realworld @ 18
TeddySanFran @ 19
My guess is that there are “unofficial” caucus meetings where the real strategy is discussed. Such as it is.
Tom Steele @ 82
wow. i hope not. i keep trying to trust Reid has something up his sleeve. but hope is fading… sigh.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
It’s been my theory that the stock market is up because people see some hope that BushCo is going Chapter 7.
UPDATE: Remember how much I despised Joe at post 21? I despise him even more. It’s the loathe that keeps on loathing!
I vote for liarmoan to go sit in the corner & caucus with himself for the duration of our agony till he’s replaced. What a waste. They can’t say Jane didn’t warn’em.
I thought Bob Grieger said Harry was a tough bad-ass. I thought we were supposed to trust our leadership. I thought the blogging community would be consistent on these guys–do we spit at them or help them out?
My my my, it is difficult to figure out what being a good Democrat is these days. Difficult times, to be sure.
Ed*ard Teller @ 84
Like most reporting in this country, economic reporting by the MSM is really bad. For them, if the DJ is doing well then so is the country, the country is strong, etc. A few will add that the reason that ordinary Americans don’t approve of Bush’s handling of the economy is because they don’t its benefits in their lives. That is one huge story but rather than explore it they merely note it and pass on to something else.
Somehow my comment didn’t record on the above post. Basically, I feel it’s naive to think that the Dems didn’t know once Lieberboy was hooked up to these committees, it was for the duration.
I’ve reached my saturation point in terms of disgust. Something must happen, and soon. Otherwise, we lose what’s left of a democracy come August.
realworld @ 74
I agree. BTW I just finally listened to the Bill Moyer’s journal interview on impeachment, and it is definitely not to be missed. If anyone else hasn’t listened to it yet, put your headphones on and listen to it now.
IMPEACH!
Adie @ 91
There is something vaguely unsettling about the way you phrased that.
Time rolls on…
Can’t Repeat – The Offspring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHPbttQ__CY
paradox at 91 — And so your solution is what, exactly? My my my…bringing up things to sow seeds of doubt is simple. Finding ways to strengthen things so we get something done? Now that is a worthy goal.
yellow-belly:
http://www.answers.com/topic/yellow-belly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y….._Sapsucker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowbelly_(Lincolnshire)
> In other words, kowtowing to him early
> was a huge error in judgment.
Unless a substantial portion, even a majority, of the Democratic Caucus agrees with Lieberman on some or all of his positions and is just using him as a smokescreen so they don’t have to say so in so many words.
Cranky
Guantanamo whistleblower:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/5546/26124
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
,,,UHH, no GORE would not have let our ship of state capsize. In all the smoke and mirrors being moved about, I am more befuddled than I like to admit. But if we can seize the assets of drug dealers and other law breakers, will there be left any law standing that we can seize the Cheney, Bush assets, IF we can figger how to get convictions,,, ummm,,, errr, say, at the Hague? I do not see this happening to the men with Abrahamoff convictions. Guess you Government pension piles up while you do your three years (or less, even) at the White Mans Country Club? Can you just imagine how sweet it would be for the twins to be penniless in Paraguay? Our grandkids kids might live to see the last trial of the Cheney Bush Empires’ ROYAL FAMILIES. What will Wolf Blitzer and Larry King have to say…? R e a l snark.
OT–
From AP:
Nope. It’s the Two Americas thing. Stock market reminds me of what it felt like at peak-o-bubble in early 2000.
argosfalcon @ 96
oooh, yer quick, heh.
sorry about yer delicate sensibilities…
spurious @ 85
Interesting my search found this:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/yellow
If someone has access to the OED, there might be more. I always thought it referred to dust left on a person after they had been crawling in the dust. Guess not.
Hey OKK, we jus’ can’t seem to do a thing these days w/o stirrin’ up trubble. *g*
I wish The Hartford Courant and all major newspapers in CT would print this entire article and the responses.
Adie @ 105
Its not my sensibilities, but thats an image I really don’t want in my head, Damn now I’ve gone and done it, excuse me while I wash my brain.
Hugh @ 93
Yes. One of the main reasons I hate NPR’s Marketplace. Back in the period between March, 2000 and August, 2001, when all the major mutual funds were starting to go tits up, Marketplace didn’t do a single helpful piece for middle class investors that I can remember. Their only labor reporting is by the quirky and irritating Robert Reich. Only credible national labor issue reporting on either radio or TV is Democracy Now’s Juan Gonzalez.
OT–
AP is spinning:
My bold.
Ya gotta love Cindy Sheehan.
The phenomena of hedge funds and corporations buying back stock or going private result from the huge amounts of money that Bush tax cuts funneled to the rich and corporations. Add to this international capital along for the ride and you have the situation of a boom among the investment classes and a bust for the working classes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 99
Well I would buy a yellow-bellied sapsucker! :~) But there’s also this. (Guess it predates WWII.)
deandra @ 108
The Courant is already starting to get things (finally?). They did an editorial last Thursday on the all-nighter and was supportive. And in the second paragraph, called Lieberman out as a war-monger and totally delusional for his speech.
Anyone have a link to Gozo’s reply to the SJC? I haven’t been able to find it.
argosfalcon @ 109
Had no idee you kids were so impressionable.
Go lie down with the fan on “BLAST”, with cool damp teabags over yer eyelids. Don’t. Do not, go to sleep.
Then come out and help me in the hot garden, unless you find yanking weeds too disquieting.
argosfalcon -
Thanks for the feedback; sounds like a funny. Being on dial-up is a bummer as more and more vid shows up on the net with absolutely no explanation other than, “You’ve got to see this!”
Grrrrrrr…….
Adie @ 107
I honestly don’t try to do that. Think about what I could do if I tried. I scare myslf. ;0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
realworld @ 116
I’m looking too. No luck so far.
My solution is to be consistent in the application of what limited resources we have. In the rare event inconsistency is necessary, tread lightly upon those who disagree with your rare exceptions. It wouldn’t hurt to acknowledge you know very little and what you do know shouldn’t be applied half-cocked at whatever harebrained scheme pops into our leadership’s head this week. They’re flying totally blind, in case you haven’t noticed.
Seeds of doubt? In a republic that has horribly lied, betrayed and abused me? Doubt that the entire country is a semi-fascist joke? Too many days I am totally sure of it, and I am heartsick more than you will ever know. I’ve been fighting for six years, you know.
I am with you, Christy Harden Smith, but you are not all-knowing, and if you want leadership then accept the responsibility for it too. Harry Reid is too often a fuckup, and we could do without another episode of supporting one of his censure moves again. That’s all, hotshot, you’re just not that experienced, use more care.
I fear for our party. You think I’m bad? Wait until the impeachment and war-enders go ont he warparth in the fall. They are not going to accept any failure, and we are in for it.
I will continue to do what I can. It isn’t much.
paradox at 120 — Good lord, who ever said that I was all knowing? Or that Harry Reid was infallible? No one on this blog, that’s for damn sure. Have you read any of Pach’s posts lately?
realworld @ 116
There’s no link yet to the statement per se, but some of what he says can be read at the AP file I linked to @ 111.
Helen @ 119
There’s a post on it here, but no link to the actual testimony.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010703.php
New thread…
Fresh thready goodness, including a Condi-parody YouTube for your giggling pleasure. Thought we could use a little laugh break for Monday…
Doing things:
I created a group blog called Progressive Policy. I’m looking for authors to take a category: education, labor, housing, transportation, healthcare, economy, foreign relations – you name it – and run with their chosen area. I’ll play host and coordinator.
Any takers for a policy venue and suggestions for authors and guest bloggers?
This will bring lots of progressives together who have policy and issues interests but who have to run all over the intertubes to find the content. I asked Matt and Chris at Open left if they were interested, and they politely declined.
I think this is a gap in the blogosphere, and so, my neck’s as stretched as I can make it…. ;^)
realworld @ 116
Here it is.
Waccamaw @ 61
Helen @ 119
Just talked to Judiciary they said his opening statement would be posted tomorrow after beginning of hearing.
Hugh @ 106
I was looking for the OED but couldn’t find it online except in a pay format. Ok, as I should have done before jumping out of my tree, I’ll go squint at the dead-tree version…lordy, need a stronger magnifying glass! Already EPU’d, so will look it up later. Sorry, OKK!
paradox @ 92
It’s important to praise leadership when they get things right, but let them know when they screw up.
This is consistent.
What would be inconsistent is backing Harry Reid for all his effort to stop the war, THEN supporting Harry Reid’s decision to back an independant Joe Lieberman over a progressive, anti-war candidate.
they ALL need to go, even the ones who are actually doing something. seriously, clean out the entire house and senate.
you could pick people at random with little or no education and they would do a better job of what we’re seeing.
Thanks #103. The Demos are barely even pretending to try to rein in the BushCheney dictatorship; the war will continue, maybe on to Iran, no matter what the public thinks or wants. BushCo Dino enablers like LIEberMoan (”Independent” from Likud/A*P*C) will make it happen.
We need a 3rd–no, 2nd party. Go Cindy! The ReThugs may have destroyed their “brand” by ‘08 (assuming we don’t get martial law & Emperor for Life Bush 1st) but if the Demos take over to continue the same policies, we start to require an actual alternative.
~~~ModNote: edited for content to clear filters.~~~
EPU’ed.
Go Cindy. The Demo’s are no longer even a pretend “opposition”. They’ll keep the war going and expand it to Iran no matter what the Amer. electorate think. Even if the ReThugs destroy their “brand” by 2008, what’s the point if “Demos” like Pelosi & LIEberMoan (Independent/L*k*d) continue the same policies? Go Cindy– we need a 3rd– no, 2nd party.
~~~ModNote:edited for content to clear filters.~~~
Lieberman is in office because Lamont got scant support from the dem leadership. A full court press on cuppa’s real Iraq position plus a disavowal of him as a dem would have made the difference. Where was Reid, Obama, Clinton? Being part of the club was more important than Iraq. Edwards, I believe, did do some campaigning for Lamont, but by then he was no longer in the club.
Now, on the campaign trail, does anyone question Clinton or Obama on their lack of support for Lamont? Nope. Political love means you never have to say you are sorry (something Edwards seems to have forgotten).
Bottom line,ifClinton andObamahad stumped forLamont,Lieberliar would beshilling forthe insurance industryandLamontwould be leadingon getting us out ofIraq.
eCAHNomics @ 69
ARGH! Besides, is this the way they had to do it with Dick Nixon? Did they do a tally of the Jury BEFORE the trial to make sure they had votes for conviction? Did not the majority of the populace, at the beginning, NOT support impeachment? Did not that change as the evidence was brought out? And out? And out for all to see? Did not the entire avalanche towards impeachment start with little support and then roll into an inevitable impeachment?
At what point of time between Nixon and now did it become fashionable to believe that one must have the votes to convict BEFORE any of the actual evidence is squeezed out and aired for the world to see? (Including for ALL Congress criminals to see?)
It gets hard to deny impeachability when lie after lie, absolute crime upon absolute federal crime is spelled out. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE WHOLE PROCEDURE!
Call that person back and instruct her on history and “the way things ACTUALLY work”.
Do you suppose the Repugs despise him, too?
To think that Al Gore chose this guy to be his running mate in 2000… how did that happen. I think it would be illuminating to trace the path up to Joe’s nomination for VP, and then from there to the opposed primary, and finally to Independent Joe (ha!) as we now know him.
Was that the same Joe all along, or did something seriously change?
Maybe someone here already knows the answer to that question.
Boy, I feel bitter. It doesn’t feel any better to know that we Lamont supporters in CT were right. I just feel *bitter*.
Ralph @ 138…
Joe has always had a passionate attachment to a country other than the USA, that hasn’t changed.
What can we do to get Harry to dump ole’ joey boy, nod nod, wink wink?
why, in a nutshell, do they not remove his chairmanship and put him in the back bench? He is a spy? He is certainly an agent for a foreign government first and a senator second, he is the Israel lobby.
this one thing shows how corrupt congress is to me. Inherent? sure. permanently? sure, there is no activity toward changing anything.
dmac @ 81
I totally agree [re Joe’s attendance @ Dem caucus].
I’ve given up on Joe doing anything with the Homeland Security Committee, or casting any decent votes with the Dems, but one thing Harry Reid CAN control is keeping Holy Joe OUT of the Dems’ planning sessions.
If Harry gets tough on this, what can Joe do in retaliation? Stomp his little feet? Threaten to not support the Dems?
REMOVE Vitter and get a Dem to replace him (LA has a Dem Governor) and REMOVE Lieberman from his Chairmanship and let him go caucus with the GOP fulltime. I’m tired of this…I’d rather be in minority then deal Lieberman any longer.
Just out of curiosity…Is there a movement to recall this man? And if there is…what are you doing about it?
Did I understand get this correctly?, Lieberman sits in on Democrats’ strategy sessions and then goes and briefs the Republicans. I wonder what Lanny Davis thinks about his friend Lieberman’s behavior.