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This is the real prize – Democratic control of house, senate, white house.

The prize is of no value if there are no elections.

That is a REAL threat.

To ignore it beyond anything else, is to give up The Repbublic.

We’ve got to make those calls to Conyers and our reps to get impeachment started. Censure is a waste of time, and we’re running out of time.

Congressional recess, and Iraqi Parliment recess, equals open window for evil doing’s-false flag.

ccmask @ 29

Cokie Roberts on NPR this morning said it looks like Hillary will be president and that the only thing stopping that would be the Dems over-reaching with their power….lol

Gore has the potential to roll over Hillary in the fall. Gore stood solidly against the invasion long before it started, all ready won an election, and has made his enviromental commitment a priority.

Re-Elect Gore!

He’s really the only hope that money will back and I certainly hope he’s working behind the scenes with the money folks of the Dem Party, and elsewhere.

Perhaps, he’ll bring Kuch or Edwards with him at the right time . . . thanks for the headknock reminder.

Hi Jane! How ya feeling today?

Ooh, thanks for jolting me aside . . . I’m remiss once again . . best of health, Ms. Hamsher . . .

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The Repugs didn’t have the votes in the Senate to remove Clinton from office, but they went ahead with it anyway. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

In a sense, that’s as good as ANY reason!!!

BadaBOOM! BadaBING!!!

NAIL THEM!

*G*

ChristianPinko @ 49

Impeachment, I’m sorry, is a bad idea.

We could impeach Bush and/or Cheney in the House, but it wouldn’t mean anything because the votes aren’t there in the Senate to remove them from office.

For an excellent alternative, go to this Mark Kleiman post. Seriously, this is a must read: I wish I could shove it into the hands of every Democratic Congressperson.

CP you have one too many http: in that link. it takes you to a URL graveyard instead.

And instead of messing around with defunding, try this from The Next Hurrah’s MimiKatz.

I’d seen that and another article a day or so ago about the Debt Ceiling . . .

Really good, intricate stuff to factor into WHAT WILL THEY DO, if we do nothing, or start pushing back . . .

Thanks for bringing Mimikatz’s points to top of mind awareness . . . the game of chicken thing is SO all over it . . . great posits . . .

Hmmm . . . if we DO force the BushCrimeFamily’s hand in this admin by doing inherent, impeachment, cut funding, etc., we force them to GO to their next step, be it false flag or Iran or Pakistan, won’t the ECONOMIC blowback of that pretty much screw up THEIR fortunes as much as anyone else’s???

We’re gonna go the way of USSR . . . spend ourselves into a break up . . . of sorts.

I keep checkin yer site, Spook . . . ready for next round!! ;-)

Good thread, thanks for it all folks.

selise @ 24

the question i have is: does russ’s move to censure help or hinder 1) constraining (or getting rid of) bushco? and 2) end the occupation of iraq?

i just don’t know.

but, sounds like scarecrow thinks it helps (if we continue to push for impeachment), so i’m gonna go with that.

If you’ve got an entire Senate afraid of censure I’m betting they’re not exactly itchin’ for impeachment.

Hard to know how it will play out.

It’s not who wins or loses, it’s how you play the game! *G*

A forceful, VERY forceful move, by Congress BEFORE Recess (and cancelling recess) such as inherent and impeachment will keep the pressure on . . . anything less, is an open invitation for this admin to implement the next stage of thuggery NONE of us would have believed they would do . . . and they’ve done PLENTY to us, haven’t they.

At this point, it’s NOT about winning anything. It’s about DOING. Anything. To throw them off pace and buy time. Or force them into revealing their next step before they might want to.

I’m pretty sure, they want to already, though.

But I’m tired of waiting, let’s move on and either force this, or let them take over.

Impeachment, I’m sorry, is a bad idea.

We could impeach Bush and/or Cheney in the House, but it wouldn’t mean anything because the votes aren’t there in the Senate to remove them from office.

For an excellent alternative, go to this Mark Kleiman post. Seriously, this is a must read: I wish I could shove it into the hands of every Democratic Congressperson.

Thanks for sharing that link, that WAS a good read.

But, again, it does NOT push them far enough, fast enough methinks . .

Why do methinks?

Because until this nation comes to grips with the reality that this admin WILL create a false flag incident, and impose the unitary executive they’ve created, until this nation comes to grips with this, it will happen.

Impeachment, whether it can be successful or not, to be STARTED, might set them back on their heels a bit, and stall any false flag potential . . . and if they DO false flag us, then we the people, pretty much know where we stand, and what we need to do if we want our Republic back.

I think, the buildup and CACHE of Executive Privilage that presently exists is of such OBVIOUS intent, it’s time to pull both barrels on them and either REIN them in, or force their hand to play it out MUCH sooner than they want.

Then, as AlfredK has said many times, it’s up the each and every individual to decide how to respond and survive . . .

The past two weeks have certainly revved up the rhetoric on all sides of all issues . . . I fear the upcoming calm of recess . . . I fear it greatly. I’d MUCH prefer Congress filed Inherent in the House, and impeachment in the House, across the board. BEFORE recess.

Post recess, it may all be over one way or the other.

Scarecrow rocks again. Thanks.

There’s a basic strategy issue here, I think. Do you refine and refine and refine and finally come forward with The Big Move, or do you throw up everything you have, hoping something sticks and/or attracts MSM attention.

Do you realize how often we lament the failure of MSM to speak our truth?

However much we love our blogs (and I blog, too, in my tiny little corner of the progressive world), we are not reaching enough people even yet. Not even FDL, one of the premier sites in the country.

So the parallel piece to moving off dead center in D.C. is how to get the word out early, often, and with a large measure of honesty.

What I’m asking, I guess, is how, exactly, do we make our voices heard? What’s happening on our blogs is exceptional. It’s why I spend far more time reading at FDL than even thinking about reading the rag that passes for a newspaper in the Twin Cities.

But I think we’re deluding ourselves if we think we’re reaching a large-enough audience. Someone at Smirking Chimp wrote a rambling piece about joint efforts and a panel of sages and, and, and.

How can we combine our efforts and push up from the blog roots?

Hound the senators and representatives on a daily basis, hound the MSM for not acknowlidging the fact that there IS a constituency out there that IS hounding the senators and reps . . . phone calls, daily.

Of course, demonstrations and protests in large numbers in the streets is the OBVIOUS way, but america as I knew it seems not to have the stomach for that anymore, other than isolated instances of low turnouts that the MSM just won’t cover . . .

I’ts gonna take millions in the streets, just like the last time . . . we SHOULD have had millions in the streets for Iran/Contra, and for Ford’s pardon of Nixon, but, we were sleeping at that point.

IMHO.

ccmask @ 29

Cokie Roberts on NPR this morning said it looks like Hillary will be president and that the only thing stopping that would be the Dems over-reaching with their power….lol

Wow, I’m glad I didn’t have a mouthful of coffee when I read that. Another Beltway hack with no clue of what is truly going on.

MHO is the Democratic Party (and it’s money backers) have already DECIDED that HRC will be the party’s nonination.

You can tell this by analyzing EACH AND EVERY MSM clip, article, and debate as we move forward (looking back, it’s kinda obvious too methinks) . . . the other candidates will get a FRACTION of the coverage, and that seals their fates, no matter WHAT the blog progressive left try to do about it . . .

I mean, the polls are showing Edwards with a lead in Iowa, since the beginning!! And what kind of coverage does THAT get? Zip.

Instead, it’s all about two primary’s down the road that HRC is leading . . .

Granted, IOWA ain’t THAT full of Electorals, but, still . . . the pattern fits.

HRC has already BEEN elected, and there’s not much the public can really do about it other than split the ticket.

I’ll be voting against HRC, but that’s a personal choice . . .

If BoyKing rules now, The New Queen has already been crowned. By by Republic.

Harumph.