In the cause of liberty, we must be ever vigilant. Via the NYTimes opinion page:
Many critics of the Iraq war are reluctant to suggest that President Bush went into it in anything but good faith. But James Madison, widely known as the father of the Constitution, might have been more skeptical. “In war, the honors and emoluments of office are to be multiplied; and it is the executive patronage under which they are to be enjoyed,” he warned. “It is in war, finally, that laurels are to be gathered; and it is the executive brow they are to encircle.”
When they drafted the Constitution, Madison and his colleagues wrote their skepticism into the text. In Britain, the king had the authority to declare war, and raise and support armies, among other war powers. The framers expressly rejected this model and gave these powers not to the president, but to Congress.
The radical nature of the Republican party must be understood in full context in order to comprehend the broad scope of their grab at power — and their wholesale rejection of the principles on which this nation was founded, in favor of whatever means is necessary to consolidate their hold on power, whatever the cost to the rest of the nation as a whole. Rick Perlstein’s seminal work on the Goldwater political insurgency is a great place to start in understanding this.
But it goes further than Goldwater — the Bush/Cheney Administration’s disrespect for the institutions of government as independent actors is palpable, just as their need to consolidate power and control is both obvious and necessary to the implementation of their unilateral executive goals. As Bruce Fein recently said during the Bill Moyers’ special regarding the extent of the Bush Administration’s disrespect for the rule of law and our nation’s Constitution:
…he [Bush] is seeking more institutionally to cripple checks and balances and the authority of Congress and the judiciary to superintend his assertions of power. He has claimed the authority to tell Congress they don’t have any right to know what he’s doing with relation to spying on American citizens, using that information in any way that he wants in contradiction to a federal statute called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. He’s claimed authority to say he can kidnap people, throw them into dungeons abroad, dump them out into Siberia without any political or legal accountability. These are standards that are totally anathema to a democratic society devoted to the rule of law.
This speaks volumes all by itself. The fact is that these actions are an outgrowth of a wholesale attempt to shift the foundations of government toward an imperial control by the privileged few, rather than a republic in which the laws and the people themselves are king.
This is a government wherein a unilateral executive makes all decisions in a dictatorial fashion with some nods to the other branches for the sake of appearance, writ large across the broad spectrum of executive and administrative agencies. As we have seen through the turmoil within the DOJ and the various Hatch Act violations investigations, along with the wholesale disregard of civil liberties through the mechanisms of fear and intimidation, these agencies have been converted as extentions of the political and power-gathering machinery of the current administration — to be used to those selfish political ends for those who would grab ever more power, and not for the good of the whole nation’s needs.
The lessons that Dick Cheney and George Bush took away from the Nixon Administration were not that overreach would get you in the end, or that adherence to the letter of the law was important. No, what they learned was that if you are going to consolidate your grip on power, you had to do it wholesale and demand that you not be held accountable — it’s the Iran-Contra message replicated across the whole of government. If you are going to break the law, then you have to first consolidate your control of the very means by which you might be caught and/or held responsible.
But this only works if we are willing to allow them to continue down this path without redress.
As Jane said yesterday, the Bush Administration is counting on continuing to hold the Grand Obstruction Party and WINO votes that it currently has in the Senate in its back pocket by whatever means necessary to ensure that any accountability for their illegal and immoral actions will never see the light of day outside the continued Republican Senate filibuster and stall tactics. So long as the Bush Administration holds these votes in their back pocket, there will never be full accountability for any of their misdeeds.
What Harry Reid was able to do last week was begin to wedge a few “sure thing” support votes away from the Bush Administration through the time-tested means of public pressure and political threat of electoral reprisal next year. Which is exactly why the likes of Fred Hiatt and David Brooks are so very afraid, because suddenly the punditocracy has been proven so very, very wrong. “We, the people” have a say in our nation’s governance — do not ever let them tell you differently — and we have a duty to stand in the face of injustice.
Republicans are running as far and as fast as they can from the Bush Administration when they are back home in their districts. But back in DC, they are keeping up appearances and trying to be the docile rubber stamps that we have come to know and loathe, in order not to rile the financial backers that are still under Rove’s pudgy thumb. What hangs in the balance is the fate of the nation — and it is time that we all started to tip the scales. And I’d like to talk about some ways that we can do just that…
(Photo of a statue of James Madison standing before John Trumbull’s famous depiction of the siging of the Declaration of Independence in the US Capitol rotunda via Brent and Marilynn.)



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zedlet?
Good morning, Christy.
Congrats, barbara!
Morning gang. How’s tricks?
OK I watched Bruce Fein and John Nichols on the Bill Moyers show. I’m convinced. Impeachment hearings. Nancy Pelosi, now. The idea of handing the next preznit “a set of tools” that ChimpCo created is the kicker.
If you have not listened to the Diane Rehm show today on Executive Privilige it is worth the listen. Bruce Fein ripped!
Bruce on the Bush administration ” a persistent state of war”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 3
Morning, Christy. I need a day when FDL is really boring so I can get some things done, but can’t ever seem to find one. Could you arrange it?
Good Morning Christy,
So glad you had a great time at your reunion.
Good morning, Christy and FDL pups:
Thank you for this post. I am still so confused as to what’s holding the Repubs back from taking swings to rid themselves of the dead chickens around their necks of Cheney and Bush! Those up for re-election in ‘08 should be calling for Cheney’s ouster, quickly followed by Bush’s. Why isn’t that happening? I keep thinking of Nixon, and I can’t fathom what’s so different now….
Help.
morning, all – back from the mountains (sigh)… coffee anyone?
btw – this is all just as horrifying as when I left… I was hoping a little R & R would improve my perspective…
And it is the rise of the blogosphere that caught them by surprise. The citizens now have an international forum to discuss and criticize everything instantly. The old spin and ignore is no longer effective in silencing dissent. Viva la FireDogLake!
On the Rehm show Lee Casey said Impeachment of Bush and Cheney would be a “coup” since Pelosi would be come President.
Enforcing the constitution would be a “coup” to Casey….Accountability and congressional oversight to the majority of Americans!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 3
Is Senator Vitter a Firepup? Because he would know about “tricks”.
Bruce Fein on the Diane Rehm show today
“What we have now is a permanent state of war”
Isn’t it John Trumbull?
Never forget the power of blackmail and intimidation. Remember Larry Flint says he has 30 names… and that is just ONE scandal that we know about. The Death Eaters have many skelatons in their closets.
Nequals1 @ 8
Sorry this is so long and link-imbedded, gang — I tried to shorten a bit out (cut 400 words or so from the original draft), but I thought I needed to lay this out with the supporting information linked for you all so you’d have it at your fingertips.
mc @ 12
LOL
Great Post Christy,
Two things I think we should all keep in mind:
1) Opening an Impeachment Inquiry is not the same as voting articles of impeachment. Remeber, during an Impeachment Inquiry the House of Representatives is like a Grand Jury. If they do not find that the results of the investigation warrant voting Articles of Impeachment (= indictmnet), then the matter ends there, but the truth comes out.
2) Recess appointments are in the air. I know how badly our Congressional Reprsentaitves want ot go home and raise some campaign cash and help local candidates inthier districts right now—BUT RECESS APPOINTMENTS ARE IN THE AIR
I think we may have to cancel recess folks
plainjane at 14 — Yes, it is — missed that in the edit. Thanks for the heads up.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
No need to apologize. It’s part of what makes us like firedoglake…it has, you know, in depth reporting and analysis. Really, you should be teaching journalism or serve as an editor bc you are much better at it than most people in those positions now.
Thanks, MC@2. We take our few pleasures where we can get ‘em, eh?
This is bedrock, Christy, and the Bush Republicans have done a masterful job of this. And for all practical purposes, we the people stood by and watched it happen. Well, that part that was visible. This under-cover-of-darkness administration seems to have covered all their bases. And we are in one helluva mess because of our collective stupor. The voices in the wilderness were not sufficient to turn the tide. (How’s that for a metaphor mix?!)
And while I know it’s a wildcard hope, I do continue to hope there is someone, somewhere in that foul and corrupt administration (or no longer officially part of it) who will step forward and blow the whistle heard round the world.
Meanwhile, there’s work to do. My money’s on McClatchy, but I’ll press the press anywhere else that could help.
kathleen @ 5
Anybody make a recording of that?
kathleen @ 13
How did Diane Rehm sound? She sounds sometimes like she’s clutching her necklace.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
It’s excellent. And the quote from Madison is a priceless piece of pre-9/11 thinking. ;-)
I still think it is important to give Russ Feingold a little input on his censure resolution. [Input link at the bottom of the page.]
It is absolutely time for an impeachment inquiry. How can we, or congress, know the truth if we are afraid to ask the questions and demand the answers?
A regular comparison of their words to constituents versus their words in Washington could be quite helpful in holding them accountable for their lies to both audiences. Each online person might volunteer to track one legislator.
Sorry to OT so early in the thread, but Dr. Hillhouse has once again come up with something that sends chill down my spine.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
There were shorter and longer Federalist papers, Christy. You and Glenn Greenwald can write to any length you want, in my book, because what you’re writing are the new Federalist papers. You’re both that good.
mui @ 25
Is there a consensus on whether censure would preclude impeachment, or whether it would be a lead-in? It seems to me that, in the unlikely event that Bush were to be censured, there would be a call not to impeach because he had already been punished.
I also think that impeachment hearings have the possibility of adding more fuel to the fire because there would have to be an investigation, whereas censure would not. Thoughts?
mui @ 23
Are you talking about her voice quality (she has vocal dystonia) or the content?
My husband was listening, and says Fein was rockin’!
scory at 19 — Appreciate it. But Jefferson’s ability to render fluid philosophical constructs in a vivid yet economical style is something that I have yet to attain. But it’s certainly a goal worth striving for, every day, isn’t it?
Gromit @ 26
In that regard, I fear that Feingold’s censure motions might be a diversion/distraction.
there could be a lot worse things than recess appointments the Regime has planned for august.
I would second looseheadprop that the recess should be cancelled – Congress could win back a lot of respect if they kept forcing the wavering (R)’s to vote with Bush over and over.
Oh, those poor befuddled Repugs!
If they stick with supporting Deadeye and Junya, they face the death of the Repug party in the 2008 elections (and beyond, perhaps even forever).
If they abandon support for Deadeye and Junya, they face the death of the Repug party in the 2008 elections (and beyond, perhaps even forever).
Oh how my heart weeps for those poor, poor Repugs. All their choices are baaaaaadddd!
Who woulda thunk it? Why, we did, doncha know?
I’d like to see the Dems start using right now that massive warchest they’re amassing. Place ads in Republican districts highlighting the support that Repugs are providing Bush. Start tying them so tightly to Bush that they can’t ever wiggle free.
Mad Dogs at 35 — Yes, sense my breaking heart for the plight in which they put themselves.
America is desperately in need of a leader. I suggest liberals think long term and focus on nominating great candidates for evey office in the land.
Christy — I spoke briefly to my congressional rep this weekend who seems to think that it is getting the goods on Bush in the US Attorneys scandal which will start impeachment proceedings — that there is not yet concrete evidence linking Bush to criminality. My question to you is — Are our electeds getting the message that you have so eloquently laid out here? And if not, how can we emphasize to them that they are to missing the point of subversion of the Constitution. We get it, so should they. BTW, my rep did promise to watch the Moyers report and get back to me.
Mad Dogs @ 35
Ergo, they must not let those 2008 elections occur.
Helpless Dancer @ 28
That’s ominous. I read a blog called Chronicles of Dissent, and it lists violations of the 4th amendment. Last week it listed violations by SAIC, which is mentioned in Hillhouse’s post. I then found big contracts awarded to SAIC on the DOD website just last week. Posted about that and SAIC promptly visited my blog. This morning the Pentagon is visiting. Department of State came last night.
Nequals1 @ 8
Perhaps career-smashing evidence of various personal scandals, currently moldering in the Cheney vaults?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
But isn’t it in the best interest of the Republicans to break with Dear Leader at this point? For the continuation of their party, if not for the Constitution?
“What hangs in the balance is the fate of the nation — and it is time that we all started to tip the scales. And I’d like to talk about some ways that we can do just that…”
1. For many months now, I have advocated a hard, aggressive, indeed, a nasty approach. I’ve called it, from times of old, “getting down in the weeds”. Finally, about a week ago, a fella…?Welsh?…wrote at fdl a lengthy article which essentially set forth in long, flowery language what I have advocated for quite some time. If you missed the article, I strongly encourage you to find it, and read it. If you did read the article, I strongly encourage you to go back and read it. The ONLY way to deal with these R teamers is to…get down in the weeds.
2. Let me educate all on another benefit of taking the offensive. It’s called: Pressure. Whenever you attack, and carry the attack forward, you put the other side Under Pressure. (Indeed, there’s even a R&R song, I’m terrible at song names and band names, but the refrain, the chorus goes “Under Pressure”)
And when you put the enemy on their heels, they start to make mistakes. They REact, instead of taking the initiative. You put them, cue the music: Under Pressure. When you attack, and carry the attack forward, the enemy is confused. A mild but growing panic sets in. In the political context, the enemy now says and does things it otherwise wouldn’t have. You’ve put the R team, cue the music: Under Pressure.
The R team will then say silly things which only further weakens their cause and their stance and their defenses. They are now: Under Pressure.
“Stunts” such as Harry closing the Senate months ago, or our recent Senate all-nighter, are NOT stunts at all. They are the purest form of surprise, deadly, and hard-hitting aggressive ATTACK. And “down in the weeds” as well. Each time, the R teamers gurgled in indignation, whined in a hissy fit, and did and said things they otherwise wouldn’t have. The R teamers were: Under Pressure.
These are the tactics that must be used. Get used to being called names; get used to alot of whining, get used to MSM for a time, siding with the R teamers; get used to a roar of indignation. But pay them no attention.
Their volume of complaint only documents what they feel: Under Pressure. Keep up the attack. Do not let up, do not show mercy. Always keep these lizards where they deserve to be: Under Pressure. This is how you WIN.
Ghostman
Its more than just leadership, its the will to be more than a spectator, and I guess thats why I visit here. I feel at lest I’m with like minded people who inspire me to take some kind of action however small. I found this and hope its not too OT.
http://www.mauritsfondse.com/
Veritas78 at 36 — So would I. It is one of the reasons that we have been pushing the Americans United For Change efforts — because that really is an effective means of pushing a number of the WINOs into actually taking some action. Look at the Susan Collins vote last week for cloture — she never, ever would have done that without a push in her district and the Tom Allen candidacy. That was a vote that she made in a frenzied fear for her political career — and it is about damn time she started thinking about what her constituents wanted (even if it was for self-serving reasons) than what Bush expected from her.
Ghostman @ 44
Click! You’re right. Pressure and unity. The first is happening. The second, not so much. Pups? If you have blogs, and if Ghostman and FDL approve, I think we should post his comment (along with a link to FDL).
How say you?
Can any lawyers on the list comment on this:
Wap00 Says Clinton’s DOJ Did It Too! No Docs! Neener neener!
Looseheadprop above — Could you direct me to an explanation of the steps of impeachment as you outlined above. Even my Congress person seemed not very knowledgeable of the requirements and implications. Thanks
wigwam @ 40
My fear exactly.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
It is quite an extraordinary piece of work you’ve turned out first thing Monday morning. Many thanks.
Nequals1 @ 41
how do you know this? can you provide a link or a text file to back it up? this needs to get out and fast! If a full scale attack on the blogosphere is coming, we need to be prepared for it…
I can be dense sometimes – what is a WINO? I guess it is blank-in-name-only, but I an’t fill in the blank.
EPU’d From Last Thread:
Drive by from Al The Spook:
We finally have a link on Conyers’ Impeachment Remarks.
And Kagro X at The Next Hurrah has good news/bad news on defunding the Iraq war by failing to pass appropriations. The funding limit thing is another matter, still be researched I gather.
Ed*ard Teller @ 53
Waverer In Name Only
Derived from DINO: Democrat In Name Only
So far, no WINO DINO’s have been reported….
Nequals1 @ 41
Wow!
From what I understand, SAIC is sort of a holding company. They’ve bought up a lot of military contractors and have used their lobbying muscle to boost the profits. They operate out of San Diego, land of Duke Cunningham and Duncan Hunter.
The only logical reason for the continued support of a crazed leader is that the secret spying was used to gain information on members of Congress and the press. Why else would so many be acting in ways so against their best interests.
There is no reason for anyone in the 2008 race to stand behind this White House with the polling data they have available.
althespook at 48 — Yes — this is a PR plant piece from “anonymous Administration sources” laying out their talking points in the battle with Congress. They are essentially declaring that the Department of Justice is the President’s own law firm and, as such, they won’t be enforcing any laws if the President doesn’t want them to do so. Buried on page two is a fleeting reference to inherent contempt — which is what the WH doesn’t want anyone discussing, because it puts the ball firmly back in the Congressional court. When you read things like this — consider the sourcing first and foremost, because anonymous WH sources that aren’t authorized to speak to the media but are speaking to them about policies which favor the Administration have ended up being folks like Rove and Libby who were using the press to launder their talking points. Instructive, but not necessarily legally sound.
See more here from John Dean on the fundamentals that should have been discussed therein — which we have talked about here a number of times before.
Christy, what are some of the ways you see workable to tip the scales?
Can Congress hire Blackwater or Wackenhutt to arrest people for contempt? That would be some kind of irony, eh?
Nequals1 @ 41
To add to the OT heres something for all those Vista users.
http://www.abandonia.com/forum…..4&st=0
The Washington Post ran an article on Sunday titled “White House Wants Iraqi Leaders to Reach Political Accommodation. This was my comment:
Until the watershed 2006 midterm elections, the leadership style of the Bush White House was not-so-benevolent despotism. It is no secret George W. Bush has dictatorial tendencies. On December 18, 2000, according to CNN, Bush said: “If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.” You know he is not kidding because he made similar statements on other occasions.
For six long years, Bush had his way. The rubberstamp Republican Congress gave him almost everything he wanted. Dick Cheney has strong views about unlimited executive power (see “Angler”), and Bush found Cheney’s views to be quite agreeable. Karl Rove urged Bush to rule as if he had a mandate—what’s not to like about that?
Suffice to say, those days are over. Bush and the people who work for him are being forced to adopt a more collaborative approach to government. Not just here in America, but with other nations around the world, including the fledgling government in Iraq. Sadly for us, the Bush White House does not play well with others. This new approach is much more difficult to execute and it is not nearly as much fun.
Governing in a cooperative manner is completely out of character for the Bushies. We should not expect much in the way of positive results.
I got an e-mail from Feingold wanting me to support censure. I replied:
I want them to get the message. We’re so far ahead of Congress on this, we have to tell them so they can understand.
kelven @ 10
According to our records your bank account…………………impounded………pursuant to law………….furthermore……..mortage held by……turnover of keys……by executive order……….
concurrent with this ruling ….internet priveleges…..for a period of ten years………..
Sorry. Just some paranoia.
As for SAIC I worked for them on and off during the 80’s and 90’s they are more than a holding company.
It’s a CEO presidency. The business model of the American corporation makes the CEO the ultimate arbiter of everything that goes on in the company, with exception of those companies that have an independent union representing at least some of their employees. We saw this model at work early on when Bush attempted to push through legislation that would have given him unfettered control to allocate tasks among the lower civil service responsible for airline security. This is a mindset that is shared by most of the elite who now run our country. They see the problem as one of workers and bosses, and see themselves as the bosses.
I think that this mindset is, as much as the reactionary desire for a more hierarchical God-based polity that one sees in Scalia, is what motivates the grab for power. These people really cannot conceive democracy. In the business model you have to sell a product — that’s where Rove comes in. For the rest it is just running the company as you see fit, and to hell with the shareholders. If they don’t like it, they can move to New Zealand. That’s the business model.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
Whew!!! ~ Good thing you blog regularly.
JF @ 30
I agree. you should write to Russ directly. IMHO.
Lawrence at 59 — One of the ways is to take this fight directly to the districts of those Senators who are WINOs (as Harold Meyerson and Greg Sergeant have termed them) — and pressure them directly to either listen to the will of their constituents or face an election loss. This is American politics at its simplest — and I think itis the best way to achieve results at this point as swiftly as they need to be achieved. As I said above, the AUFC is doing a great job of this, which is why we’ve been pushing the work they have been doing with Collins, Coleman, Sununu, and others.
Anyone who knows me knows I have no sympathy for the reThugs. At this point they are all a members of a criminal fellowship. However, we are going to need seventeen of them if we are to restore democracy in this country. That means we need to be giving them reasons, in the end, to convict Cheney and Bush. We need to make it in their interest to restore the constitution. This means getting 2/3 of the American people behind impeachment. Not very much else matters. This probably also means cutting deals. They will stink but the imperial presidency must be rejected.
empy @ 57
I agree. This and a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. They are badly in need of an intervention. Also they have been operating unchecked for so long with such less than agile minds, they can’t survive without a commander.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
Thank you. I didn’t think Clinton’s DOJ had been that stupid, but as IANAL a lot of the discussion is over my head, even the John Dean stuff pushes me sometimes.
And the earlier commenter is correct. You and all the other FDL ledes are writing the next Federalist Papers, the Progressive Federalist Papers. This is not snark. I have been quietly saving every word you post since I came here silently over a year ago.
JF @ 30
Since censure includes no real punishment, just a slap on the hands and the realization that people see what you’ve done as wrongdoing, I disagree. I believe the same arguments used for censure would be all the more usable for impeachment, only made more credible by the fact that the administration has been censured for the offenses. If they then continue down the same path, then the people would surely see impeachment as the final resolution to the problem.
My question is, what do you think the Repugs would do if a Democratic President pulled some of the stunts that this administration has pulled. How would they go about stopping the offensive behaviour? And by the way, what was the true purpose of all that crap the Repugs put the Clintons through? Were they pursuing every possible scandal all the way to the inner sanctum of their sex lives deliberately to cause a scandal fatigue or to be able to say anything we do is strictly payback for the scandalous exposure of the Clinton bl*wjob crap?
ixnay @ 31
Content.
Today, I believe is the day that Cindy Sheehan and her group are going to attempt a “sit-in” in Conyers office, read the constitution until either impeachment is put back on the table, or they are arrested. Many groups are participating all over the country. Afterdowningstreet, theworldcantwait, etc.
Ed*ard Teller @ 60
I’m afraid that it would require a appropriation and as such would be vetoed by Bush. One of the various multi-millionaires in Congress could hire them privately, but just imagine the howl that would set off.
on a different subject
Did anyone see the story on Rick Berman on 60 minutes
Someone needs to challenge his crap. He is a political committee in my view and should be disclosing his funders and filing like everyone else.
Right now he operates as a non profit which means our tax dollars are subsidizing his corporate funders.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..3020.shtml
Off topic again, sorry, but I need your help. Historically, how long did it take for Congress to conduct impeachment proceedings?
Russ Feingold, in an email produced by the Progressive Patriots Fund supporting censorship, states: “at this time I do not believe it is in our nation’s best interest to put important issues facing our country on the back burner to go through months and months of a divisive impeachment process.”
I say “BULLSHIT”! There is no business More Important than relieving this criminal executive administration of their duties ASAP!
I’m not against censorship, but I’m tired of the Democrats making excuses. Basically, if the Obstructionist Rethuglicans don’t want to vote to end discussion regarding impeachment and vote for impeachment and conviction then ya’ll can stay there until they do!
Our soldiers aren’t getting any time off and until they’re back home safely from this misbegotten war because they purposefully mislead the American people, you shouldn’t be getting time off either!
That’s what we elected you to do! With the evidence so flagrantly apparent, this should really be a no-brainer! Time is Now, Russ and the Rest of our Senators and Representatives elected to serve US! You serve at our pleasure! And I’m thinking that the majority would at least like to see Cheney go. That would be an excellent start!
Thank you for letting me vent and helping with obtaining that info!
Knut at 66 — You do get a lot of that feeling from the “you’re either with us or you are unpatriotic” malarky that gets thrown around from this crowd. It’s taking an inherent American right — that patriotism is speaking out in the face of injustice and tyranny — and turning it on its head in order to secure some form of message control. Very corporate in terms of stifling the competition — and effective so long as people are willing to allow them to do so.
Which is one of the many reasons that I wake up every morning and type into the computer all the reasons that that Orwellian idiocy is oh so wrong. Because I refuse to have someone else tell me how I should exercise my own form of patriotism.
althespook @ 48
IANAL, but I recommend this by Marty Lederman.
I believe this is the “new techology” they were referring to in the “warrantless eavesdropping”:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html
A couple of thoughts–First, re: Republicans staying on board–beyond whatever blackmail may be in play, a few names come to mind: Wellstone, Carnahan, Hatfield, Baxter, Kangas…and then there’s the question of where all that lab-grade anthrax came from. IIRC, only Democratic Congresscritters and the National Enquirer (after running an infamous pic of the drunken twins) were hit with that stuff. The Bushies don’t take well to criticism or obstruction. So far it’s only been Democrats, journalists, and an occasional loose cannon from Enron who have had unfortunate experiences. The Republican ‘critters no doubt want to keep it that way.
And second, even though the HR sits as a Grand Jury, given what all is in play here, you would really want to know that you’re going to find something before you even start. You want the smoking gun locked in a vault somewhere before you make a show of looking for it.
I told Russ I am for impeachment inquiry not censure.
mui @ 74
Diane has spasmodic dysphonia, which is a neurological disorder.
As for content, IMHO she is usually one of the best things on NPR.
wigwam at 80 — One of the many reasons that I love Marty Lederman. :)
im4mary @ 78
In the cases of Clinton and (almost) Nixon, it took about three months.
empy @ 57
ding ding ding!
this could serve as a face saving explanation as to why the (D) party for the last 6 years as an utterly supine minority allowed them to
including voting for Patriot renewal, etc.
and as long as we are asserting that
let’s recall that that rogue administration also used blackmail as a tool of control.
why take blackmail “off the table” as something Bush/Cheney wouldn’t use?
And if, as is highly likely, they are using blackmail to control wavering Congresspeople, both (D) and (R), how to counter that from the grass roots?
any strategic or tactical thoughts from some (D) pragmatists?
Are we to be citizens or subjects, one is an active participant in how our government is run and to speak out, the other is a passive, submissive sheep to be fleeced or worst at a whim.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
That guy is great. I particularly liked his coverage of the MCA proceedings. It appears that he used to work all night getting out his take on the day’s activities.
Veritas78 @ 36
Great idea.
It would target the Republican candidate and makes them an accomplice of GWB43.
Tie the local republican candidate to the unacceptable behavior of the presiden on a specific issue.
The issues are plentiful and they can pick their issue based on the local candidate’s weekness.
Bush has given so many to choose from AND made loyalty by republican congressmen the rule not the exception.
Ain’t it the truth.
Maybe the RNC issued phones and accounts were selectively eavesdroppable….
msmolly @ 84
I am not always sure what I think of the content. As for her actual physical voice issues, I never, never make fun of persons with illness or disability. And quite frankly, the voice issue never occurred to me. I find disability discrimination as repulsive as Rush Oxymoron.
Raw Story: Breaking: Miers, Bush Chief of Staff to face contempt charges
Balance of the article is here: http://www.newhouse.com/congre…..plans.html
Slithering back under my rock now.
althespook @ 52
Post on my blog: Privacy Breach of Military Healthcare
Is this what you are looking for?
Wonderful, Christy. I’ve been re-reading The Federalist Papers this month. It’s been fascinating to revisit them after so many years. In some instances, they have little gems, like this one for Michael Gersen, courtesy Madison in Fed. 10:
Christy, you and Scarecrow point out ever more clearly te road Bush/Cheney are on.
Politics is the only way out. I think the apparatchik fellow-traveller Clinton would embrace with glee the agglomeration of power she would inherit. This would be a grand stick with which seriously to frighten Republicans: —– “Hey, Guys, how about all this Executive, Monarchical Power in the hands of Hillary, because rest assured, Boyos, it aint going to be a Republican President next time, in ‘08!! Think about it!! You might like to stand up for the Constitution even if only out of fear of that power in Hillary’s hands!”
In fact, I do not believe H. Clinton can get elected Dog Catcher on a Presidential ballot, but it is a good stick with which to beat Republicans.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 93
It had better be inherent contempt, or else it will get stuck in the courts.
Clearly, we don’t need our tinfoil hats anymore – this stuff is for real.
Impeach and arrest them.
The Chronicles of Dissent blog seems to have several posts about SAIC. This post is where I cut and pasted my contract find on the DOD website.
wigwam @ 86
Thank you! I don’t think 3 months is that long, and the evidence is already public knowledge! Every media outlet has video and audio of their multiple transgressions! For heaven’s sake, it’s on YouTube!
realworld @ 70
That’s the problem with impeachment. The Republicans who cared about the Constitution were purged and what remains are the true believers and those held hostage by their criminality. The escalating lawlessness of the WH makes me think that John Roberts has told Fred Fielding the the five votes are always certain.
The question is, why the accelerating grab for power when the up coming election is an almost certain lose? Not letting Vic Fazio look at the WH “emergency plans” is very worrisome.
I’d like to ask this question again: Say we get impeachment going in the House. How do ‘we’ ensure that the process gets traction? Iran/Contra fizzled because of lack of will in Congress and firm discipline on the part of the then Administration: “I don’t recall”, “I was out of the loop”.
The discipline of this Administration is if anything better than under Reagan, it seems. The House committee hearings have been fairly awful, and the Senate hearings have not been much more productive. Those DoJ smirkers have shown themselves to be irritating, but they have not been caught.
The interest in the Congressional hearings has been mild at best: occasional “page 14″ articles in the NYT, for instance. The country’s interest is in the war, as it should be, but how much outrage is there about the politicization of the DoJ? Far less, I suspect. So, what topics would be investigated that WOULD shock and energize the population?
Would it be a broad investigation or a narrow one? Would all the possible instances of impeachable offenses be investigated, or is there some idea already of which the top one, two, or three would be, letting the rest slide?
How would impeachment investigations proceed? Five-minutes bites by House members? Someone like Fitz with full power (whatever ‘power’ means these days…)?
OT, and didn’t read post yet, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned but just heard on the news that AGAG’s 26-page opening statement pokes his thumb in Leahy’s eye. It doesn’t mention anything in Leahy’s Qs, and switches the subject to terrorism, etc.
What do you bet they’ve got info on Roberts…
Nequals1 @ 95
Is this the same company which was the subject of an investiagtive report which aired after Moyers on 13 July?
LS @ 105
Alito, Scalia….
Dover Bitch at 96 — I’ve been doing a bit of re-reading as well on them. And you are absolutely right — I often get such a jolt when I read something so spot on for what we are dealing with in the moment. Amazing how history repeats itself without proper care that it will not do so, isn’t it?
Point of order please….
If the founding fathers, including THE father of our country, George Washington, had his way, we’d all be growing HEMP, everywhere around our houses, in open public places for COMMUNITY ‘USE’. He saw it as a break from the tobacco barons of Europe. Instead today we pay these ‘pushers’ for the pleasure of slow-death and rape of natural recourses, while keeping meticulous lawns and vast wasted potential grow spaces (roadsides, public parks/fields) and fight over oil drilling. Don’t get me started on jailed people and business/job opportunities., on and on and…strange world we live in. I thought we’d be more evolved by now.
Have a nice day ! IMPEACH
Knut @ 66
I wouldn’t have nearly as much trouble with a ‘CEO president’ if we actually had one. What we do have is a wannabe. (Wannabe CEO, wannabe preznit, wannabe emperor-of-the-world ….)Anyone who ever looked at his track record in business could have seen what would happen: anything he actually tried to run failed.
LS @ 105
No. Roberts is clean, but he’s a true believer.
But in addition to warrantless surveillance on members of Congress, they also did everybody important in the media and all prominent dissidents.
It subsided a little after the revelations a couple years ago, then *most* people worked by the old rules instead of breaking the law because the President said it was ok. They didn’t want to go to prison.
behindthefall @ 103
Iran/Contra failed bc GHWB pardoned the key players right before the criminal trial was to begin, and we never got to hear all of the truth and NOONE was held accountable.
I think it is why we need to start with Gonzales. He is on record lying to congress and being an incompetant/crooked lawyer. Once he is gone, it becomes a lot easier to get to Cheney and Bush bc they will have lost their major firewall. AND we can’t have an August recess this year…it is way to dangerous.
Nequals1 @ 95
Wow!! One of the things that SAIC is known for is their consulting work in the area of computer security.
egregious @ 111
There has been speculation that Roberts is in the “closet”, but I agree, he is a true believer.
Legal question: What recourse will people/America have when the Supreme Court votes that our Constitution is dead (assuming we even get to that point)?
Assuming this decision also involved the blockade of an impeachment or the like because everything will be allowed to be “covered up” (by that I mean covered up enough so that the press can lie and not have to be called on it?
Is it game over for the political options (other than via elections) at that point?
Janda @ 112
OK, but does it proceed as a committee hearing, with 5-minute long, disconnected, everyone out for his or her own glory nips at AGAG? He survived those very well: he’s still there and cockier than ever. Ummm, to put it indelicately: how do you nail the sucker?
althespook @ 55
Only because GI Joe is a dead ender.
He will fight the Iraq War to the last man,
as long as it’s someone else and not a campaign contributor or their child.
It might help if the log jam caused by “executive privilege” could be broken a bit, and access to unnecessarily classified documents be found. But it all comes down to the will to do these things.
There are too many politicians figuring the lest cost political calculus, and forgetting they obligation to the American people.
JML @ 106
I don’t know – missed that program…
As a specific point of attack: send the Sgt. at Arms out to arrest meiers. I’m quite serious. Failure to obey a subpoena is something every American undestands. “No man is above the law” (or woman).
This is a precise, and indeed, “nasty” thing to do. And it’s a winning tactic. But alas, dear Congress, you’ve got to have “a pair” before you get down in the weeds. But this avenue is a winner. Keep the R team: Under Pressure.
Ghostman
When a Dem takes over as Prez not only will the Republicans reverse their entire philosophy about the unitary executive, but the corporate media will all of a sudden wake up and become very critical of the president. I know this is hard to believe, but you don’t need Kreskin to make these kinds of predictions. See Bill Clinton.
The Off-White House can’t do nearly as much if they have no money!
behindthefall @ 116
If they are smart, they will hire outside council as was done during the Nixon impeachment hearings. A professional prosecutor would be able to handle the hearings in a much smarter and persuasive fashion. Part of the problem is that most of the people in congress actually know very little about the law.
I am beyond any care or concern at this point we have a DEMOCRATIC Congress that REFUSES to do its duty because of RE ELECTION concerns. A Congress that would rather see America go down a none recoverable road rather then to take action. My other concern is the BLACK WATER Mercenaries that are allowed to build barracks on American soil this is sending a STRONG and VIOLENT message that they are being primed to take over the MILITARY ROLL here in America. Laugh and ts sch ts sch all you want why don’t they want the DRAFT, why is everything hush hush, so even Senators and Congressional Leaders are being DENIED the RIGHT to do their job. When is this administration pushing so hard to BREAK the military and last but NOT least Why is the CONGRESS and SENATE so reluctant to HOLD this administration and its CRIME FAMILY accountable. I smell TREASON in the White House and in the Senate.
looseheadprop @ 18
Well…what about sending contributions, etc to congresscritters who stay during August to help prevent a recess? I know we can’t contribute all that much but perhaps in the aggreggate it could be a significant cash injection for some of these people?
I do remember reading, back after the November election results, that Reid had already a plan for preventing recess appts, mostly by convening the absolute minimum required to keep it from becoming a “recess” (I think it’s a recess if Congress is closed for more than ten days?) So this may not even be an issue (I hope!) Anyone have more up to date info? I’ve perused the threads but you people are far more prolific than I can keep up with…
gregor at 121 — Atrios said as much yesterday afternoon when he, Digby and I were on Sam Seder’s show. And he was right: looking at the reporting from the Clinton years and what we see now — and the hypocritical, turn-on-a-dime positions that so many Republican politicians have taken against oversight…it’s really astonishing. And it amazes me that people don’t see that more often.
Clearly we have some more work to do in spelling that out in an easy-to-understand format.
kathleen @ 11
Obvuiusly a weak argument. Two ways around this:
1. I recuse myself from the vote but it is my duty to investigate
2. It is my duty to investigate, and based on the record of the Admin I will do a better job if the burden of the Presidency falls on me.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 108
It’s stunning what geniuses those folks were. It’s also interesting how the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. How out of their interaction came something better than any one of them would have produced.
Janda @ 123
And is that politically possible? What are the odds that that would be done? I still cringe when I think of the collapse of will in the Iran/Contra hearings: sending that marvelous interrogator home BECAUSE (as far as I could ever figure out) both parties decided that they “just didn’t want to know”.
We need the contemporary versions of Barbara Jordon and Elizabeth Holtzman to emerge. While I was too young to listen to their speeches when they were presented, I read them in a class in grad school, and those women were on fire. I believe both were 1st termers in the house at the time. Who can we get to emerge as this generation’s congressional heros?
eCAHNomics @ 104
If true, AGAG is daring Leahy and co. to start contempt/impeachment proceedings against him. Fireworks tomorrow morning!
Fresh thread for everyone, if you want one…
LS @ 107
They don’t need dirt on these guys. They are true believers, authoritarian cultists.
Specter, Rockefeller, etc., on the other hand…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 108
It’s remarkable. Conversely, there are things that are striking in how anathema they are to today’s U.S… like this from Fed. 10:
Echoing the concern about the August recess. Does anyone think that the congressional leadership is concerned about the opportunities the break will afford to the exercise of the unilateral executive? Or is the thought of cancelling vacation the same sort of unacceptably unpatriotic impulse as the use of the I(mpeachment) word or, heaven forbid, the L(ie) word.
Rippin’ post, Christy. Wow!
I’m really glad you put it all in one post, thank you!, as sort of a reality reference. Spark notes for democracy.
I’m at the boiling point! I have a good friend who is from the Middle East and has been a US citizen now for over 15 years. She asked me if I thought we were going to declare war on Iran and I actually had to stop and think about it! I know supposedly Congress has that power,but Bushco is so slippery they’ll find a way to do it, and they want to. All I could say is that I thought Bush was crazy. She then asked me “why don’t the people do anything?”
My reply, we don’t kill people when we don’t like their policies. That’s democracy. We call our congresspeople, we stop sending checks, we vote for someone else, etc etc. And if our senators argue on TV, we don’t “embolden the enemy” we demonstrate democracy.
I know that all sounded hopelessly naive, given the post 9/11 incendiary prez we have now.
eCAHNomics @ 104
If this weren’t so sad I would be LMAO. I posted a comment last week that if I were a betting woman I would bet that he would not show because Leahy’s questions were so devastating that Gonzales could not answer with “I don’t recall” or with lies. And the truth for Gonzales is gonna be ugly.
Well, go figure; the option of totally ignoring the questions never occurred to me.
Too true. I remember the Rs running the Clinton process were laughably incompetent, and IANAL.
Gromit @ 131
You know these guys. Did you expect anything else?
redX @ 115
The 18th century solution to despotism was the fourth check and balance in the Constitution; the armed citizen and the 2and Amendment. The 21st century response to despotism is the Gandhi/Kingmethod of protest and the willingness to go to jail or be killed.
redX @ 115
Hmmmmm. We could try impeaching some justices.
I also agree with the tactic of no August recess. Dems can setup a mechanism for home state folks to petition them (Video conferences, etc). I say keep the lot of them “toiling” in the hot summer.
PB @ 125
Janda says:
“If they are smart, they will hire outside council as was done during the Nixon impeachment hearings. A professional prosecutor would be able to handle the hearings in a much smarter and persuasive fashion. Part of the problem is that most of the people in congress actually know very little about the law.”
Yes. And I can think of a few consultants I would like to suggest.
Lou Costello @ 109
Yea, Lou!
George Washington, hemp grower.
George Bush,
shrubweed…I have not reviewed the comments after this, but to update my post – I did not mean your argument was weak – rather that that argument being made would not likely stand up (sorry if you read my comment in the meantime and thought I was going after you):
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kathleen @ 11
On the Rehm show Lee Casey said Impeachment of Bush and Cheney would be a “coup” since Pelosi would be come President.
Enforcing the constitution would be a “coup” to Casey….Accountability and congressional oversight to the majority of Americans!
Obvuiusly a weak argument. Two ways around this:
1. I recuse myself from the vote but it is my duty to investigate
2. It is my duty to investigate, and based on the record of the Admin I will do a better job if the burden of the Presidency falls on me.
I pray that the next Senator to be outed by Hustler magazine (hurry up and spill it Larry!) says this information has been used by the White House as blackmail for years. It would be so perfect that the crack in the illegal spying facade was caused by Larry Flynt. The work of a porn mogul starting a flood that washes away the fake “holy roller” administration.
I’ll buy a lifetime subscription and submit my girlfriend to beaver hunt if Larry can pull this off.
mui @ 92
I did not intend to imply that you were making fun of her disability, and if my comment came across that way, I apologize. I just figured that there may be people who listen to her show, but are unaware of her physical problem. And the video of Rush making fun of Michael J. Fox’s tremors is one of the more sickening things I’ve seen.
I just find Diane to be a very insightful interviewer, and her guests are usually interesting.
Great post/comments. I think I earned 5 credits in political science from them.
wigwam @ 56
Re SAIC from my scandals list:
A letter writer to the SF Chronicle put our predicament succinctly today-he said he feels like a frog in a stockpot and the temperature is being raised 1 degree every day. Before we know what happened, we are already cooked.
I’m not sure where (this morning) I came across this post, but it’s worth noting here:
An article in the journal Military Law Review:
FUNDING “NON-TRADITIONAL” MILITARY OPERATIONS:
THE ALLURING MYTH OF A PRESIDENTIAL POWER
OF THE PURSE
Colonel Richard D. Rosen
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Mili…..6C75~1.pdf
Not sure which blog picked it up, but thanks to that person.
La Deluge at 152 — I think that is from Kagro X’s post today. It’s a great find.
Ghostman @ 44 – The group name you’re looking for is Queen… They performed/recorded that song with David Bowie, I believe.
This is great and I hope you don’t mind but I think I’ll paste your post on my blog.
http://i8pixistix.blogspot.com
Cheers! and let the PRESSURE begin!!
I know I am late to the party, but this post, and the links accompyning the post, including, but of course not limited to, Adam Cohen’s and Bruce Fein’s pieces, should be forwarded to every single person who votes in this country. It is basic US civics, and exemplifies what this country stands for, political affiliation notwithstanding (Bruce Fein the perfect example).
This posting and the linked editorial comments is preciously why I love the United States.
I agree, too bad nobody else who has any power in our castrated congress does. Reid and Pelosi are flushing our future down the toilet every day they fail to act against Bushism. IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACE
msmolly @ 148
I have heard Diane do good interviews. I guess I have gotten annoyed with NPR sometimes falling into MSM terroritory coverage-wise.
The question is, who has what on Pelosi? She probably has some sort of a BS reason for not doing her mandated job, to defend and protect the Constitution, but she’s not doing it. By the way, I am not too young to remember Elizabeth Holtzman’s speech. And she practices law in Brooklyn. A book is not enough. Ms. Holtzman. We are in your debt for Watergate, but sometimes saving the democracy onece is not enough.
There are plenty of young men and women to give those speeches. That’s what the king is afraid of, that’s why he’s given the order to confiscate the property of anyone who speaks against him….which is basically the way it is going to be used. Someone is going to have to take that chance, and someone with enough muscle is going to have to help them. Excuse me, Mr. Kennedy. Now is when you can prove to us that as horrid as it might have been, the death of Mary Joe Copecnie (I didn’t spell that right) and its subsequent dismissal from the msm was a sacrafice that would pay off. You owe America a debt, Mr. Kennedy. We quickly forgave you for the death of a young woman who should be alive today. It is time to pay us and her back.
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I’m surprised nobody has quoted this particularly strong statement from Adam Cohen’s piece in the NYT today
Given how intent the president is on expanding his authority, it is startling to recall how the Constitution’s framers viewed presidential power. They were revolutionaries who detested kings, and their great concern when they established the United States was that they not accidentally create a kingdom. To guard against it, they sharply limited presidential authority, which Edmund Randolph, a Constitutional Convention delegate and the first attorney general, called “the foetus of monarchy.”
The attack of the Monarchist Fetus People!