Dick Durbin made an important point with The Beard this morning:
BLITZER: Several Republicans, who are concerned about the war in Iraq, have suggested that you, the Democratic leadership in the Senate, you and Harry Reid, the majority leader, are more interested in political theater than in substantive policy. That's why you stapled that all-nighter this past week. I want you to listen to what the number two Republican in the Senate, Trent Lott, said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. TRENT LOTT, R-MISS.: Now, the Senate is spiraling into the ground to a degree that I have never seen before. And I've been here a long time. All modicum of courtesy is going out the window.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: What do you say to the criticism that you were more interested in scoring political points than in trying to forge some sort of bipartisan, cooperative legislation, finding a middle ground, if you will?
DURBIN: As a result of the work this week, an all-night session, a sleepless night for senators -- and I might remind the listeners that our soldiers and their families spend many sleepless nights. But after one sleepless night, we went from two Republicans supporting our position to four. We need 11.
Well after you get done with the belly laughs about Republicans who are "concerned with the war in Iraq" managing to get the words "political theater" out of their mouths without their heads exploding in giant balls of flame, it's important to remember that things shifted as a result of last week's sleepless night. The GOP's fantasy of endless war and permanent majority are evidently not compatible, and we're entering "every man for himself" territory.
Levin/Reed may have had its political purpose but even if it had passed it was not enough, not by a long shot. The advantage is clearly on the side of the war's opponents and those willing to press that advantage.
Harry Reid should be thinking about more pajama parties.
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JANE!
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And I’ve been here a long time. All modicum of courtesy is going out the window.
Cause and effect?
I read the latest Harry Potter yesterday and did little else, but has anyone commented on DeFazio being denied access to examine the White House plan for running the government after a terrorist attack?
Point me to a better thread if this has been discussed to death…
Eureka math suggests five more nights ought to do it.
What’s more, Levin-Reed is now the only game in town. By pulling the defense authorization bill, Reid also took away the GOP’s chance to tack on tacky bogus amendments like Warner-Lugar and the Salazar Distraction.
Now the GOP “mavericks” must either vote for withdrawal, or admit that they’re Bush’s cabana boys and girls. They don’t have any fake-withdrawal legislation to use as CYA.
sometimes (more, i think, than is commonly acknowledged) the politically wise choice is also the moral choice.
more please.
Barf!Katie was NOT happy about putting on those pjs but she was quite stoic about it. She considers it her part to end the war.
Whozat poodle?
… and yes, Jane, more all-nite Senate sessions. Why not make the GOP filibuster Russ Feingold’s censure motion, to start? I’d like to hear those up for re-election in 2008 defend their President against an historic and well-deserved censure.
This sixty-vote collegiality must end now. Up-or-down votes on everything!
Phoenix Woman @ 9
Specter’s hissy fit about this was a thing of beauty!
Phoenix Woman @ 9
Log Cabana Boys?
Is that Kobe in his jammies?
oops.
Oh well, don’t have quick enough reflexes here.
Can’t stay now, but my love to you Jane, and to all Firepups.
Even though there’s often no time for me to hang out in the comment threads, please know that I still read the main postings always, and as many of the comments as I can get to, and that you all give me courage in these very, very scary times.
Thank you again for that! Hope all is well with you, Jane, and all the Pups too (both your canine pups, and all the blog Pups).
Is Nancy Pelosi a freakin’ GENIUS?
{{{{{{{{{{Jane!}}}}}}}}}}
There should be a Senate Pajama party at least weekly throughout August. And maybe two per week.
Just to keep ‘em on their toes mind you. Nothing sinister.
Jane Hamsher @ 12
she’s got that “kimono my house” look
TeddySanFran @ 13
Yes! Webb’s bill too.
the nerve! trent lott talking of courtesy? after all the shit repugs pulled when THEY were running t’ings… un be lieveable!
Lou Costello @ 18
it’s my heartfelt desire
Jane Hamsher @ 12
My two canine ambassadors wear sparkly red (they didn’t have blue, whatcanIsay?) puff star collars with gold bells on the ends. They look as though their court jester hats got pulled down around their ears - and after the first 50 or so children mobbed them with pats and treats, they learned to LUV those outfits! Stuff the pajama pockets with a few biscuits, Jane! Definitely deserves a Medal of Honor!
I still find the Hartford Courant’s editorial on Thursday quite remarkable. As the lede said, it may have been a stunt bu it was a quite effective stunt. And calling HoJo a delusional war-monger in the second paragraph was truly an inspiring moment.
Never seen before? Where’s he been for the first six years of life under the Bushinistas? Not to mention the shameless filibusters and other underhanded parlimentary shenanigans the Republicans have pulled over the last few months. Has Lott no shame?
Loo Hoo. @ 16
Don’t be ridiculous. He sleeps in the nude.
Jane Hamsher @ 12
And then she gets her pic in that ridiculous outfit posted all over the Toobz. That’s quite a sacrifice for the cause.
Evenin’ all…
some other george (formerly curiousgeorge) @ 26
The only reason he hasn’t seen it is because he can’t look into a mirror! Too bad dog wee would melt him. Hike a leg for your country!
Katie with pajamas has now become an immortal part of my desktop. I would submit it to cuteoverload but it’s jane’s intellectual proppitty. I think she should, tho.
Durbin also had very favorable things to say about Feingold’s censure proposal — since Durbin came on about an hour later than Reid, it suggests the leadership has not talked through their reaction to Feingold — which also suggests Feingold may have blindsided them again.
juslin @ 22
ole Trent is still a couple of balusters short of a full porch.
althespook @ 31
Be my guest, the more Katie, the better.
I thought Reid held his own fairly well with Schieffer this morning, with the exception of his seeming support for military action in Pakistan.
punaise @ 33
Watch the first couple of steps!
Scarecrow @ 32
Feingold said the motion was not yet written this morning, iirc, at dkos.
Scarecrow @ 36
isn’t it the last one that gets ya?
some other george (formerly curiousgeorge) @ 26
No he doesn’t. You have to remember, Lott’s BFF was Strom Thurmond. The low point of the Senate may have been Thurmond et al preventing passage of anti-lynch laws and civil rights legislation. To Trent Lott, those were the good old days.
Scarecrow @ 32
Here’s what I sent Feingold on censure-
It’s a very bad idea for two reasons:
1. It gives an easy out to Rs.
2. It takes precious time away from what you should be doing-impeach.
musicsleuth @ 7
It should have its own blog: Another ‘False Flag’ Red Flag?!?
*my punctuation
Steve-AR @ 39
Well, it’s a scream in more ways than one listening to the Republicans bemoan the loss of civility in the Senate, and the House.
Jane Hamsher @ 34
done. have also put her on facebook. she will now need an agent. and an entourage.
eCAHNomics @ 40
If I thought it would pass I would agree with you.. At this time I think it needs to be used along with things like the Webb amendment to keep pressure and focus on out troops and the lawless executive branch..
None of this matters if they are indeed about to take the month of August in recess.
eCAHNomics @ 40
Your second response is the one I suspect Feingold is hoping for. He knows impeachment is warranted; just wants to hear others say it. wrt the first, virtually no Republican is going to vote for it, which means that if it ever comes to a vote (or a vote on cloture), the Republicans will once again be forced to vote to support the President against underlying positions with which a majority of Americans agree — Bush/Cheney did mislead us into war and they’ve undermined rule of law.
I think of the Feingold maneuver as analogous to Harry Reid’s move to end discussion of the appropriations bill — it cuts off any ability of the Republicans to untie themselves from Bush — and that’s why David Brooks was practically in tears this morning on MTP about how awful Reid and Feingold were in not letting the Republican’s vote for a “bipartisan consensus” on Iraq. Boo hoo.
Eureka Springs @ 44
Dare we hope that Reid has put the Recess Appointment Intercepter in place like he did over the last major recess?
Was Reid asked about his recess plans on this morning’s program? He does have a plan for recess, doesn’t he? Any appointments made in August will last until W leaves office, practically (end of this Congress).
If Rs aren’t going to vote for censure, why waste time on it? Under that hypothesis it makes NO sense to do censure instead of going straight for impeachment.
Appointment intercepter?
WRT August recess.
I think it doesn’t matter what Reid does. I think W is in such contempt of Congress, that he’d declare a weekend was a recess & appoint whoever the hell he wanted. Besides, he’s probably been doing this all along. How would we know, since he wouldn’t announce it.
TeddySanFran @ 47
Does that include Attorney General?
and would Bush — at this point — replace Gonzales if he could get away with no confirmation hearings on the replacement AG?
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so it must all be Reid’s fault.
eCAHNomics @ 48
The same argument applies to Reed-Levin — enough Republicans didn’t vote for that either, but the point was to make them vote against it (or cloture) — and we applauded that. Why doesn’t the same argument apply here. Make the Republicans vote in ways that say “we don’t think what the President has done wrt to the war or the rule of law deserve condemnation.” Let them wear it in 2008.
And if, as your reaction provides, folks say, no, not censure, they deserve impeachment! and the media pick that up? How is this a bad move?
A driveby before I have to drive to Seward - the kids are having car problems down there after a kayak trip out in the Gulf of Alaska.
I watched the all-nighter on C-SPAN or whatever was covering it, and blogged here. I learned a lot, and was glad to have friends here with whom I could compare impressions.
Levin puts a happy face on how it went, and he’s right that they gained two votes. Had they gone with the Webb amendment they would have picked up four or five, and scored dozens of sound bites to bite Republicans in the fall of 2008. It might have even passed, which would have changed the whole narrative of war discussion in the days since.
The Webb Amendment, Senators. Duh!!!
Anyone wishing to see Katie in all her glory at Facebook, here is linky.
Forget all the naysayers…the whole Senate while you’re at it. Try this:
Conyers: 3 More Congress Members and I’ll Impeach
Once the hearings get started everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, will fall in line to be the first to say : “I was for IMPEACHMENT before I was against it!” Believe it.
If Rs aren’t going to vote for censure, why waste time on it? Under that hypothesis it makes NO sense to do censure instead of going straight for impeachment.
Perfect subject for a pajama party. Do another all nighter and have all the republicans explain why they think it’s a good thing that Bush disregards laws and starts wars based on cooked intelligence. Be great material for election ‘08.
althespook - what odds would you give that three more congresscritters will join the impeachment of Cheney bill and get it going. Would that not force the cancelation of August vacations at least in the house?
SEN. TRENT LOTT, R-MISS.: Now, the
SenateRepublican Party is spiraling into the ground to a degree that I have never seen before. And I’ve been here a long time. All modicum ofcourtesydecency or competency is going out the window.Fixed your boo-boo, there, Trent.
Loo Hoo. @ 57
Ding!
Sorry, I meant Durbin, not Levin…
Elliott @ 51
Let your imagination run wild as to who else will be replaced by political hacks at DOJ.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0721.html
Elliott @ 51
The only precedent I see here for a Cabinet appointment is Lawrence Eagleburger as SecState by GHWB. This was to make an “acting” since August the actual Secretary from 12/8/92 until Bush left office on 1/20/93.
So, yes.
Lou Costello, I won’t bother calling Darrell Issa. I just feel like maybe we should focus on reps that may be sitting on the fence and are persuadable.
Scarecrow @ 53
Not like Reed-Levin. That proposes something useful for the troops. Censure is impeachment lite. No benefit.
Evening Jane, poodles, et al…
Democrat-organized pajama parties mean progress. The GOP has been the slumber party. Asleep at the wheel. Let’s wheel out the cots again, Harry, and change another seven minds.
Lou @ 56
Do you know the exact name/# for the bill we’re asking Congress to sign onto?
OT..The third part of a short series on Inherent Contempt is posted at Jeralyn’s blog.
www.talkleft.com/
I think the House should cite Meirs ASAP. IMHO, I think the people commenting on the use of Inherent Contempt are naive to think that Scalia will remain consistent with his opinion in Young v. US. The Federal Court and/or SCOTUS will not allow it. Pelosi and Reid need to confront the WH in the Federal Courts now; we need to know if we have gone over the cliff.
eCAHNomics @ 62
Gonzales really is a revolting creature
Big day tomorrow ~ We Will Sit In for Impeachment
Cindy Sheehan to Lead March for Impeachment, Arlington to Capitol Hill, July 23rd
Congressional Campaign Announcement Possible
Another reason I would like to see Censure up for a vote is so we have an update on which Dem-wits need pressure/prep for the real McCoy, impeachment.
Years ago, a former Senator (Alan Simpson?) said that Congress had lost much of collegiality. Instead of colleagues you could have a beer with after an acrimonious debate, the newer members were more likely to be Steely Eyed Hit-men.
Now that Republicans have poisoned the well of comity and filled the Democrats with a furious resolve, the GOoPers and their apologists have a new found love of bi-partisanship.
All I can say to these delicate Republicans on their fainting couches —
You can stick it where the sun don’t shine . . .
TeddySanFran @ 63
that’s a great link, I never would have looked there, wiki.
We’re gonna get together tonight, tonight
Tell everybody that the time is right!
Just after eight, we’ll congregate
Pajama party tonight!
Gonna get together and dance all night
And do some talkin’ while the moon is bright!
So get your date and don’t be late
Pajama party tonight!
Don’t you know it’s the latest craze?
Having a party in your PJs!
newspaperbrat @ 58
NPB, i worked this story all morning. the problem is, the comment was made in some closed setting in california about a week ago, and reported second hand on a talk radio program by the guy who bought cindy sheehan’s ranch. As of this time, I don’t know if it is even a real thing or not.
Also we do not know the following:
a) is conyers talking about cheney or boosh? or both?
b) does he mean sponsors of the impeach cheney bill? does he mean members of the JC?
There are too many questions right now to attempt meaningful speculation.
I agree with Elliot at 69.
Rick DeVille @ 66
Rick, that is a lovely meme, right in there with the msm system.
Pajama Parties For Progress
Slumber Parties For Those Asleep On Watch
spread the word. make signs! this is just another excellent way to spread the word in an easy to comprehend way.
eCAHNomics @ 67
This can be done! ~ H Res 333
I believe teh Repugs should be made ot fillibuster EVERY bill they don’t like. Let ‘em stand up and say why they’re against airport workers unionizing, higher pay for the military, children’s health,
and so on.
Lou @ 78
Many thanks. Which is better: call or email? Maloney’s mine in the city & she’s useless, but Hinchey where my country house is, is pretty progressive, so I have some hope.
Fozzetti @ 79
They already are. It’s the R plan to tie Congress in knots & blame thedo-nothing Ds.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/7/22/18455/8324
eCAHNomics @ 81
I’m thinking the meaning is to force them into a trad filibuster on everything, not just the procedural one. Make them actually state their case as to why they’re against everything.
Does Reid have the b*lls for this?
eCAHNomics @ 83
I’m thinking we can give ‘em to him ;})
1) Solid and right on Ms. Hamsher!
2) PW@#9-RIGHT ON!!! Once that was explained, forget if it was in here or elsewhere, once it ’splained to me, I got it. I love it!
3) Lou C@18-that’s a heck of a read . . . think it was parody or heartfelt? Hard to tell anymore. I’d LOVE to believe that this is a continuation of Fitz all along . . . and the off the table was a ruse.
Hope springs eternal for the Republic? I hope so.
dakine
Just you & me? Could be the most intelligent comments thread ever!
Hellolololololo
Echoing in an empty room.
How long will the Congress be on vacation next month?
On the Katie matter:
I would love it if as many FDL’ers as would like to would send me on facebook (or post as a link to an image here as a comment) a picture of their pet(s). Any patriotic garb optional. Comments on the pix necessary as my animal telepathy is on the blink.
I’ll put them on my FDL Pets Photo Album and everyone who wants can view them!
Our pets want progressive politics too!
Lou Costello @ 56
Back in the Nixon H2O-gate era, the House and Senate still has some Republicans who had integrity and cared about the Rule of Law.
Those days are long gone. I think the recent events such as the WH saying they are above the law and refusing to let Fasio see the plans for marshall law are a strong indicator that the WH couldn’t give a shit about impeachment. We need to throw sand in the gears of the WH but impeachment isn’t it.
eCAHNomics @ 86
We are experiencing a “Potter Drought”. It was worse this morning. Far too many FDL’ers are also Potterites or whatever they call themselves. Me, I was a DM for fifteen years. I have characters who could eat Hogwort’s for lunch, and they’re not from Monty Haul campaigns either. So I’ve just never found it appealing.
That said, there is some lovely snark in those books that goes right over the kids’ heads. I suspect this is a major component in the series’ popularity overall.
eCAHNomics @ 87
It does get a tad slow on sunday eve
dakine01 @ 91
are you suggesting people have lives outside of fdl?
althespook @ 93
what’s this??
eCAHNomics @ 87
Nice reverb you’ve got there.
althespook @ 91
I finished the book. It was good.
Steve-AR @ 90
I don’t agree, we need impeachment and we need it now!
my bold
DM?
8.3 million HP books sold in U.S. on first day & NYT won’t put it on the best sellers list because it’s a kid’s book.
HP stuff bores me to tears, but it’s in the ether, ya know.
eCAHNomics @ 80
eCAHNomics @ 87
Sorry about that e. Do whatever you feel comfortable doing. Call if you have the time. Email could be more descriptive. Send a YouTube video to the CNN debate. Hell, photo copy your butt and mail it to them if they don’t get on board. *wink
cleter @ 95
I gave in and read the epilogue or whatever when i was standing in line at Best Buy saturday morning. At walmart earlier, they had a big table of them set up and I reached down to pick one up and the stern, matronly lady said, “If you pick up the book you buy it. No exceptions.” I snatched my hand back and left in high dudgeon.
We need more late night filibusters but on weekends. This way more people have the chance to see Republicans bloc important issues