Commenter Elliott posed a great question earlier today about Congress’s upcoming August recess and what appointments the President can make during recess to bypass Senate confirmation:
Does that include Attorney General?
and would Bush — at this point — replace Gonzales if he could get away with no confirmation hearings on the replacement AG?
That excellent question made me wonder: How scary is recess? Signs are ominous in Washington:
– The Executive is claiming privilege in new and breathtakingly broad ways, while asserting that the USAttorneys, emanations of his will(!), can never prosecute Congressional contempt citations when he has claimed His Privilege.
– His Attorney General continues to thwart, stall and mislead Congress about everything.
– His UnderSecretary of Defense accuses a Senator on the Armed Services Committee of reinforcing enemy propaganda when she asks about plans to draw down US troops from our Occupation of Iraq.
– The US Senate unanimously hands the Executive a Lieberman-crafted resolution on Iran that Bush might, charitably, see as not permitting him to bomb that country.
– Court stenographers blame Harry Reid for being irresponsible.
– Censure and impeachment are spoken of openly and often.
Presidents in the past have used the recess appointment for far more important positions, as it turns out, than simply putting Pam Atlas’s favorite mustache ride at the United Nations to piss off libruls (and the rest of the world).
Did you know, for instance, that President Washington appointed Chief Justice John Rutledge during a Senate recess? Nor did I.
Or that Dwight Eisenhower made a recess appointment to the Supreme Court as well? Nor did I.
Ambassadors (James Hormel to Luxembourg, by Bill Clinton; Sam Fox to Belgium, by the current Preznit) are fairly tame examples of the recess appointment power. (Sam Fox’s selection was so dodgy, having been withdrawn moments prior to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee vote, that he cannot draw a government salary in Brussels.)
But this definitely grabbed my attention: in 1992, Lawrence Eagleburger became acting Secretary of State, after James Baker III left State to run Poppy’s re-election campaign. After losing the Presidency, GHWB recess-appointed Eagleburger to be Secretary of State for six weeks. So, yes — there is precedent for recess appointments of Cabinet members by (extremely) lame-duck Presidents.
Well, we’ve seen GWB doesn’t waste a lot of time trying to show up his Daddy! (Recess appointments made next month will last until this Congressional session ends — in December 2008 or January 2009.)
P.S. To Majority Leader Harry Reid — Please don’t holler about the open barn door when recess appointment horses run through it, sir: the keys are in your hands. Lock the door: no August recess, please.




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Teddy!
hi
Thank you Teddy for your comments at downstairs. And thank you Siun for bringing Maryam to the Lake.
I don’t want to disrupt the thread downstairs by announcing this one…
What no recess, no wait no recess appointments now I can live with that.
TSF!
I say no recess. There are way, way too many things going on that require attention right now.
Very scary.
Hello, all! — sorry for the delay I implemented in deference to our guest on the previous thread.
Evening all. Almost as hot here as Teddy’s writing and no relief in sight. BTW, thanks for giving me more material for nightmares, Teddy.
On Thursday morning, July 19th, the beloved GOP talking point “up or down vote” was officially declared dead. Its demise was little noticed in the aftermath of the Senate Republicans’ successful all-night filibuster to block the Reed-Levin bill seeking to begin U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq. “Up or down vote” was killed by a desperate Republican Party trying to obstruct Democratic accomplishments at any cost in advance of the 2008 elections. And so far, the GOP seems to be getting away with the crime.
For the details, see:
“Up or Down Vote: Death of a GOP Talking Point.”
I politely let downstairs know, Teddy.
(((Teddy SF)))
This is what I get for composing comments and participating at the end of a thread instead of stalking the Zed.
Sigh.
Diva
Scary – very scary
Thanks, Teddy, for this post. Oh, those dogs days of August – absolutely positively no vacation for the critters of congress.
ELLIOT!
No recess indeed. Have you read anything about that possibility, Teddy?
Teddy, do ya think there is a snowball’s chance in hell Reid will keep the Senate open during the recess?
Surgeon General nominee James Holsinger is sure to get a recess appointment — both Clinton and Obama announced they’ll vote against him, and I heard elsewhere that the reichtards are unhappy he’s renounced his anti-gay views from 1991.
Howdy y’all!
I am back from Hogwarts & the the whole wizarding world. my lips are sealed.
I understand a lot about impeachment now and i guess I will learn more about censure.
Suzanne @ 12
thanks!
Diva, I liked what you had to say downstairs. It’s what I would have wanted to say, if I were even half so eloquent as you.
Thank you, Teddy, for bringing this important topic to the top. I’m terrified. We’ve got to make a big change now or it will be too late.
We need to start impeachment proceedings against Cheney, and the Bush.
LoudounLib @ 20
Agreed.
gee Teddy, thanks
(looking down at her toes and wee bit blushed)
Elliott!!
yg FB mail!
Cassie, you need to see the thread below– it’s very eye-opening, to say the least. I was speechless.
Don’t forget recess was Georgie’s best subject!
TeddySanFran @ 17
Holsinger is the least to worry about – and that ain’t saying much. The pandemic flu planning and preparedness efforts are awful, yet Bush gave himself an A for planning – which is nonexistent. The CDC and NIH budget cuts are sterring more and more scientists toward premanent bright flight out of the US and to foreign labs, where they will become permanent due to the nature of funding and the timing of research cycles. Meanwhile the House is getting feisty around the expansion of Medicare
Elliott @ 26
It’s what brought his grade up to C-.
Hope you don’t mind me blogging your last paragraph there…linkback here of course…
So what would keep congress in session, its easier to shame a bear into to thinking that the woods is not the place to go to the bathroom than to keep these guys working.
Suzanne @ 16
The AG had a video-link pep rally with his employees Friday and pledged not to resign. Pretty good sign he will, right? And Bush knows his nominee can’t survive a confirmation battle.
Considering the Sam Fox history, Harry should know what might happen. The only way to stop it is no recess.
FunnyDiva, let me line up with LL and LooHoo. You have really been on a roll tonite. Here’s to you!
(gulp)
argosfalcon @ 30
That is because a bear is capable of felling shame. Many congress critters are not (especially on the rightard side of the aisle).
these are the signs I put up next to freeways yesterday:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..erday.html
that’s 1,164 signs on freeways since Jan. 1st. people still ask me if it’s legal.
LoudounLib @ 24
;)
Teddy, emptywheel discussed this the other day and assured us that Harry was going to cover it. I am off to find the linky. Just hate to see everyone get riled up while I look for it be right back.
lolo
Elliott @ 23
Thank you!!
Jane and Christy and Pach have always said many of their best ideas for posts come from our wonderful comments: tonite’s post is swift proof. Once ahold of that bone, I could not let go!
OT, looks like dems are doing a little something for outsourced workers. WaPo:
As part of their campaign to soothe an anxious middle class, congressional Democrats are preparing legislation that would significantly expand federal aid to the most obvious victims of the global economy: workers whose jobs move offshore or are lost to foreign imports.
Under a Senate bill to be introduced today, computer programmers, call-center staffers and other service-sector workers who make up the vast majority of the nation’s workforce would for the first time be eligible for a generous package of income, health and retraining benefits currently reserved for manufacturing workers who lose their jobs to international trade.
Co sponsored by Olympia Snowe and Max Baucus.
Suzanne @ 16
I do. But only in a very limited way, Like 15 minutes every other day.
I just assumed Reid was going to keep the August in session. I just can’t believe he’s not. I am profoundly disappointed. What is he thinking?
I hope lolo’s right
Evening, everyone. Hope all had a good weekend.
See, the problem here is that Democrats are so used to playing by the rules that they can’t get their heads around the idea that anyone could think that playing by the rules is for suckers. It simply never occurs to them that the Republicans will do any of the despicable things that they have repeatedly done.
This is a potentially distateful analogy, but it’s like the Dems go to a fraternity party, there’s a huge sign on the door saying that the punch is laced with roofies, and they immediately pound down three glasses. Then they’re surprised when they wake up in the hospital the next morning and the cops want to ask them a bunch of questions.
(Can you tell I’ve been watching CSI: New York on DVD all weekend?).
Loo Hoo. @ 22
I am completely exhausted by the last thread and in tears. What a horror… and what a day here at the lake. Still friends?
Let me add my congrats, Elliott. Twas a very good question – one we will be chewing on until the recess comes and we know one way or another.
Woohoo, Elliott
Scarlot, “We’re all wearing the blue dress now” is my fav!
Elliott @ 23
A woman named Elliott? Is your first name George?
scarlet p. @ 34
We all need to put those in our frontyards. Tomorrow. Big, giant ones. Spell impeach on the roof so the news helicopters will see it.
BigMitch @ 45
could be a last name, could be a first.
So how about we put pressure on Reid and the Senate Dems to keep that barn door closed before the horses get out?
Elliott @ 46
That’s very Southern, ya know — interchangeable first and last names ;-) I know lots of people here in VA like that
Elliott @ 48
Is there any chance they can leave a few congressmen there so it isn’t completely empty?
Let’s tell Reid we thought only the politicians in Iraq think it’s a good idea to recess during August.
Reid should put his face on every TV camera in sight declaring the Dem’s commitment to working through August — just like our troops will be doing.
The President cannot and should not be left alone to do his damage.
The Senate and House are going home to raise money. That is why they aren’t willing to stay in session. What a profound statement it would make for the dems to say “Money be damned. I am going to do the right thing and stay in washington dc.”
Hi Snarky!
My older son has finished the book too. His lips had better be sealed until younger son and I finish the book.
From a thread yesterday:
Elliott @ 47
Mary Ann Evans (22 November 1819 – 22 December 1880), better known by her pen name George Eliot, was an English novelist. She was one of the leading writers of the Victorian era. Her novels, largely set in provincial England, are well known for their realism and psychological perspicacity. She wrote Silas Marner which many high school students have been forced to suffer through.
Cassie, I just got here from Hogworts as well. I’m not going to say anything spoilery but I am now totally convinced that Dick Cheney’s role model is Voldemort. Someone needs to start looking for horcruxes right away.
There has got to be a way to avoid s recess. This president has proven he will take advantage of any gap in the congressional defenses. If the Dems are serious about fighting this administration and actually winning, deciding not to recess could send a powerful message to the people. I’m guessing if they could get someone to handle it PR wise the way it needs to be handled, it could make a huge difference in public opinion. Plus, it would thwart the crimnial in chief. That alone is reason to do it.
Scarlet P.
You placed a sign a few blocks from my house in Portland. I saw it from the freeway. Thank you!
BigMitch @ 39
Last month, I thought I read that Reid said that was the plan. If he doesn’t do it, I guess the Dems told him to F-off.
LoudounLib @ 49
Would that include people with the first name “Mitchell”?
Liberal Heart @ 50
as newspaperbrat would say, Ding!
Steve-AR @ 58
Thinking out loud, here. What if he made a deal with the White House not to do it, so that Gonzo could resign, and W could make a recess appointment? Would that be a good thing?
Hey, al the spook, are you still here?
How about we save our fire about impeachment, but maybe agitate for no August Recess?
Please?
My Monday wouldn’t be complete without talking to the nice folks at the Capitol Switchboard.
(see al’s comments at the end of the PJ party thread if this is confusing).
Diva
Still friends, Christine. (And Suzanne?)
BigMitch @ 60
No
Another great post…but I have to go to sleep soon!
BigMitch @ 59
Yes, of course. I know someone with the first name of Merriweather ;-)
BigMitch @ 61
No. Bush’s history is to go from bad to worse.
Hey LooHoo, I know of no reason why we would not be. Of course, contrary to what my girls say about me, I do not know everything.
Suzanne @ 64
Explain your thinking, please. Getting rid of Gonzo ain’t nothing.
LoudounLib @ 66
There’s a famous Merriweather, whose last name was a common first name, as in, e.g. Superman’s alter ego.
I for one will not give one sitting Democrat money in the month of August if the recess goes on as planned.
TeddySanFran @ 54
wow. prefect.
For all you Tin-Foil Hat enthusiasts here at the Lake, I’ve got disappointing news: They don’t work!!!
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
BigMitch @ 55
….
if I could write like that !
If there’s a recess, I hope our four Supremes stay safe. No BASE jumping, Breyer!
Mitch, Bush goes from bad to worse. We could go from AbuG to someone on the scale of Stalin running DOJ. I do think it would be a bad idea of let him screw up the justice department even more than he already has.
good night all, gotta go serve the public in the AM.
Elliott @ 47
My Sheltie’s name was Elliott and like so many Shelties, she had a lot of class. Affectionately we called her Ellie. I tried to get my daughter to name my granddaughter Elliott. She objected. I like saying the name.
CTuttle @ 73
Suzanne @ 64
would you take George W. at his word?
LoudounLib @ 77
bye!
LoudounLib @ 77
g’nite LL.
LoudounLib @ 77
Keep ‘em safe LL.
g’nite, LL. sleep well.
Bush: Inspectors Find Weapons of Ass Destruction
that last thread was really intense. Words kind of fail me here (which as you all may have noticed they do not often do).
Personal to Suzanne:
Something you said yesterday must have really pissed off the Yankees. They beat Tampa Bay 21-4 today.
:-)
QuakerGirl @ 78
gee thanks. :)
Suzanne @ 76
If Abu resigns, W would recess-appoint David Addington, Cheney’s new Libby, and the proponent of the Unitary Executive uber Alles. So, yes — things could actually get worse.
‘Night, LL. I’m not far behind.
Night LL. Keep the public safe from themselves.
LoudounLib @ 4
Pfft – I’m already here….you can only talk to yourself for so long, ya know, before it’s like noticeable!
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oddmommy, yeah, we are all feeling the afteraffects of the last thread.
As was said, it is up to us here to do our job and get our troops out. Teddy’s thread helps us hold congressional leaders accountable for doing their job, which 70% of Americans say is to get our troops out of Iraq.
TeddySanFran @ 89
You have pursuaded me. I will try to never underestimate W again.
TeddySanFran @ 89
and every day I keep saying it can.not.get.worse.
and yet every day, it does — it’s always something.
TeddySanFran @ 89
Or call up ole Yoo in Berkeley.
mitch – all i can say to that is (after laughin) sppppfffft (or whatever the sound of a raspberry is)
Hey, Snarky! I’ve been reading your series on impeachment-outstanding work. My compliments.
It is wonderful being drowned in a lot of personal matters to attend to (like moving) where the world seemed to have only one bad thing – crazy speeding drivers. Now I’m reading Teddy and he takes me back to the other reality that is scarier than the monkey drivers behind the wheel.
Recess appointments: GW will try to set a record here too. Why not. It’s worked everywhere else.
Eureka Springs @ 97
Oh. My. God. Call and exorcist, STAT!
The last thread was really intense. I wish I could guage how representative her views are. I suspect the answer is VERY.
Recess appts. via wiki. Scroll down under examples to the paragraph starting with W.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment
And I wonder when Edelman was approved by the Senate to permanantly fill the job Feith was performing?
The man that accused Hillary of aiding the enemy (although her letter requesting that the Pentagon initiate a plan for withdrawal from the quagmire was a confidential one) was only supposed to be an INTERIM appointment until January 2007.
http://www.mindfully.org/Refor…..9aug05.htm
So it appears that his term has been long up. And given his misbehavior he has made several BIG enemies. Of course, perhaps it was a parting shot by a lame-duck appointment…trying to make his failure to obtain Senate approval a “personal issue”.
But I think that accusing a Senator of “aiding the enemy” by simply asking for a contingency plan shows just how extreme these paranoids in the Executive Branch have become. Essentially any Congressperson or member of the public that expresses doubt about the quagmire could be viewed as “materially assisting terrorists”
And Bush’s new Executive Order allows the government to strip the assets from anyone who “assists terrorism” or “interferes with the stability of the Iraqi government”. The order allows them to do that without a court decision to determine any real guilt…you are “guilty until proven innocent” and must marshal resources to fight for your assets in court.
And the Executive Order allows the Administration to take any assets of those who ASSIST such persons accused of assisting those who “materially aid” those who have assisted (by “propaganda” or otherwise) the insurgents. Imagine that…any lawyer who offers pro bono defense would have their law firm in danger of being destroyed. Any organization or individual that contributes to a “defense fund” or “blogger” that points out these actions violate the very essence of justice can be forced into bankruptcy.
So much for “innocent until proven guilty”! So much for the First Amendment protections of free speech (but ironically money is “speech” when it comes to corporate contribution to politicians). So much for the right to obtain counsel! Goodbye to the concept that private property cannot be confiscated without fair compensation and “due process”.
And so long to the concept that the Congress makes the law…while the President is compelled to execute them.
Bush is NOW making the laws and, through the use of “Signing Statements” Unconstitutionally vetoing the partsof laws that Congress passes that he doesn’t like.
RonD @ 99
Thanks!
They are all here if people want to see. Here are the topics:
# One more impeachment website
# More on Impeachment
# Reasons TO impeach (part 1)
# Mad Magazine– Reasons Not to Impeach & Convict President Bush
DrDick @ 67
The people driving the bus, and their pet sock puppet Bush, are about three steps ahead of the Dems. Where these people are going I am not sure but it looks as if they don’t plan on leaving the WH in ‘09. The refusal to give the emergency gov’t plans to Fazio is another bad sign.
Loo Hoo. @ 38
Never did a lot of work on the analogous benefits for manufacturing workers. But back when Iwas working on NAFTA, I looked into them briefly and found that very few workers applied, like on a few thousand per year iirc. Never did findout whether that was because hurdles were high or whether it was because back then, most mfg workers who lost jobs owing to imports found other jobs quickly. But it did set alittle bookmark in my brain that the program may not be all it’s supposed to be.
has lolo ever come back to put us at ease?
see you all in an hour. Bye for now.
Suzanne @ 94
I agree, Suz, Maryam flogged us silly! I tried to have her look at Power’s War Kids Relief, early on in the thread, to no avail! Did you see my #74 in this thread!
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Last Sunday’s FDL Book Salon chatter and author of Duke Cunningham saga “The Wrong Stuff” Marcus Stern at 10am eastern
National Political Reporter Shailagh Murray at 11am eastern.
Media Critic Howard Kurtz at Noon eastern.
Outlook: Why They Hate Us contributor Mohsin Hamid at 1pm eastern
Gotta call it a night-the best of all possible tomorrows to all of you.
I did, Ct, and noticed they did not study the style of tinfoilhat I use – the every popular tricorner hat.
Night RonD. Pleasant dreams.
RonD @ 112
Bye!
Suzanne @ 113
My hat
It has 3 corners
3 corners has
My hat
And had it not 3 corners
It would not be my hat!
Nequals1 @ 27
Interesting point…Senator Byrd (originally Cornelius Calvin Sale, Jr.) was raised by relatives because his Mom died in the 1918 Flu Pandemic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
Suzanne @ 113
Ahh, nice try! The tin-foil only amplifies not deflect!!! :P
I swear I heard that Reid was planning on having the Senate called into session every few days during the recess to prevent any tricks. Am I dreaming?
So here are my Qs on recess appointments. How far down the line requires senate confirmation? How many are there altogether? Then, how do we know W hasn’t been merrily filling them without bothering with confirmation, but not telling anyone? How could we find out? And how many, like Edelman, who were recess appointments have overstayed their term? I suspect many maggots under the rock I just turned over.
CTuttle @ 117
get back to me when they study the tricorner hat – until then the study is worthless :)
Alizaryn @ 119
I heard that, too, but it was a while back. I haven’t heard anything more about it lately.
Alizaryn @ 119
I remember that, too, but it was at least a month back. I hope Reid doesn’t plan to renege on that…for his own political good.
CTuttle @ 118
Never did understand the tinfoil hat theory, though I use it often as a metaphor. Metal is a good conductor. If I were to wear a hat to keep out the evil spirits, it would be made out of something inert that would cause cancer in the evil ones, like asbestos.
Suzanne @ 121
Hah! Now a lead-lined kevlar tri-corner hat has distinct possibilities!!! ;-)
eCAHNomics @ 124
Seems to me it came from a tv show way back in the dark ages.
LoudounLib @ 19
Oh, LoudonLib, thank you.
{{{hug}}}
I try. It’s all I can do. And you, my dear, are plenty eloquent. I’m really glad to have met you here on the Lake.
Diva
QuakerGirl @ 100
Sam Fox was the test. When he realized he couldn’t get Fox past Kerry’s defenders, W started making an August list. I just have a sense he’ll announce about one a day the entire month. And our government will be ruined.
Please ask your Senator to stop this madness. Or if you are represented by GOPers, ask Harry here.
Adam Cohen in the NYT writes:
The war is hardly the only area where the Bush administration is trying to expand its powers beyond all legal justification. But the danger of an imperial presidency is particularly great when a president takes the nation to war, something the founders understood well. In the looming showdown, the founders and the Constitution are firmly on Congress’s side.
Human jizz stain Bill Kristol is opening up a new front and now pulling out the blood libel claiming that the Democrats openly hate the US troops.
This man is a sack of shit.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 123
Perhaps a few calls should be made to his office. If nothing else, that may jolt his memory not to mention be a subtle reminder we are paying attention.
Elliott @ 108
I’ve been hunting over at Next Hurrah and have come up dry.
It’s more than just preventing recess. If the Democrats lose the momentum on the US attorneys’ firing, Libby’s commutation, and all of the other unconstitutional executive privileges, it will be too late. Impeachment needs to happen now and be actively worked throughout August.
Diva, you have been a wonderful addition to the Lake. Glad to have your eloquent voice of reason in the comments. You are a recent de-lurker, am I correct?
Alizaryn @ 119
I thought this was the Easter recess plan, but then Sam Fox, Susan Dudley, and Andrew Biggs were recess-appointed on April 4th. Has there been a recess since Easter that Reid covered?
eCAHNomics @ 120
If I say it one more time, and a little bit louder, surely someone will reply.
Off topic, but anyone else here think as I do that the Democrats would be missing a huge opportinity to bury Mitt Romney for holding up that “Obama=Osama” sign? They should repudiate him loudly and in unison. Make the other Republican candidates take a stand on it. I know it sounds childish, but this is the kind of thing that the republicans exploit so well, and I think it’s time to turn the tables on them.
eCAHN, that is the indeed the question of the day, week, month and year – what has boosh been doing behind our backs – we have no way of knowing until someone spills the beans about it
marymccurnin @ 52
Hmm! Wouldn’t keeping Congress PERMANENTLY in Session be a good way of reducing the money element in politics? Or would it basically reduce the percentage of local money at the benefit of the big-time lobbyists?
Second…is the real issue raising money…or getting back in front of local folks so that they don’t look “isolated” from the hoi-polloi? If so, who would most benefit from a failure to recess? It would seem that the most damage would be to incumbents on the Campaign Trail…and those are predominantly Republicans. Except for Senators Clinton, Obama, and Biden…that is. Don’t think that many Pug Senators are in that race…but there are lots facing re-election to their seats in 2008!
Third…could Reid keep certain Committees in Session where the number of Democrats running for re-election this session is low but the Republican count is high.
Fourth…Democrats running for re-election might actually benefit from being in public view during an extraordinary August session. This would be particularly true if these were high profile Committees.
“Doing the peoples work” when others are off hobnobbing might be worth it. Of course, it might mean they miss votes later…which could be used by an opponent…but they could respond by using their attendance during the August session as a rebuttal.
Loo Hoo. @ 129
How many divisions does Congress and the Constitution have? SCOTUS will side with dictatorship.
Technicolouryawn @ 137
We do need to use this in every possible way. Mitt is indeed a pile of elephant poop.
eCAHNomics @ 136
this is from Teddy
recess appointments
Who was it said last thread or the earlier one that Blackwater was not the great concern? That there was a greater threat? Did I dream that?
Good night all. Have a good Monday. I’ll check in tomorrow night
Twain @ 141
The mayor of Salt Lake City, a lapsed Mormon and very liberal (SLC is only liberal place in the state), raked Romney over the coals today. Think it was on Blitzer.
Twain @ 141
I can’t believe the dog atop the car in a carrier didn’t do him in.
Loo Hoo. @ 142
loohoo, i believe that was a comment made on siun’s thread that referred to a discussion going on in the thread before that one. AK was in that discussion, iirc.
eCAHNomics @ 136
W has seemed particularly proud of his recess appointments, so I think he’s trumpeted most of them. Whether they’ve overstayed their appointment sounds like a Governmental Affairs kind of question; unfortunately, RGJoe chairs that Committee. I wonder, though, what kind of hold he has on his SubCommittees, such as Government Management, the Federal Workforce and DeeCee, chaired by Senator Akaka?
Perhaps a Hawaii constituent could inquire whether Senator Akaka is intrigued by these overstaying recess appointments?
well, goodnight everypup!
TeddySanFran @ 147
Paging CT and Bob in HI to the congressional telephone booth please.
Night Elliot. Sleep well.
Elliott @ 146
Probably would have if the Repukes weren’t dealing with visits to prostitutes, pages in the Congress, people going to jail, candidates marrying several times, some to their cousins, and that sort of thing. I really think their disarray is kinda fun.
g’nite, elliott and thanks again for the great question.
Elliott @ 142
Ecahn, that article really didn’t answer your question! IRCC, it only extends to the deputy positions, below that is internal hiring process!!! If that is any help!
Elliott @ 146
it still can…..it just needs to be kept out there……IN YER FACE, as my kids would say.
thinking something like anti “swift boat” assholes. “Decent Drivers For Dogs,” for example.
TeddySanFran @ 148
I hear you loud and clear, Teddy! I’ll get on it ASAP!!! 8-)
Thanks for the link Eliot, but it didn’t answer my Qs. Here’s part of what wiki sez about advise & consent:
Doesn’t give a # as to how many there are, but it sounds like a lot. TSF @ 148 points out, correctly that W likes to poke his finger in Ds’ eyes over them, but that’s probably only the ones at high levels. There are plenty lower down that could be working merrily away.
eCAHNomics @ 157
See my #154!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 143
I don’t know about Blackwater…but the posse comitatus (/em>law was broadened recently to allow Bush to call out either the military of National Guard under an emergency of his own determination.
In addition, I’ve always feared that Bush will use the aura of Commander in Chief to illegally call up the “irregular” and fully “unorganized militias” (ergo NRA and survivalist-types) that exist out there to suppress dissent. These are the bully boys equivalent to Hitler’s NSDC that will do things that the trained National Guard and Army will not.
I hear you loud and clear, Teddy! I’ll get on it ASAP!!! 8-)
Let’s remember to let Edward Teller know about this too, everyone.
Technicolouryawn @ 137
There’s no such thing as off-topic during Late Nite!
And I think the Democrats have done a poor job of backing one another up. Hillary and Obama should chastize the media for the Edwards haircut stories, Richardson and Kucinich should go after Robin Givhan for the Clinton Cleavage fiasco, and yes — this TMZ.com Romney sign story is a blessing, something our 08s should use to show our unity in the face of their extremism.
I’m going to ask about it at YK, at the Forum. You can too.
LooHoo, ET is in Alaska, not Hawaii
TeddySanFran @ 148
Would the failure of SenatorJoe to raise the issue of the Edelman appointment be a reason that Reid could use for pulling him from his Chairmanship?
Ignoring the responsibility to initiate hearings on an overdue interim appointment for over 6 months seems to be an extraordinary lapse!
Ctuttle @ 158
You were posting while I was typing. Is deputy #2 or #3 after cabinet secy? (I know it’s a moron Q, but I’ve never been able to keep that straight.) In any event, either one would mean there aren’t that many in total?
Twain @ 141
Caution. though I am not in the Obama camp.. I say fear the repetition! It’s the last thing we need to encourage, even in correctly intended condemnation. jmho.
Suzanne @ 162
Hello.
Loo Hoo. @ 160
ET is an Alaskan resident, myself and Bob are Hawaiian residents!!!
Elliott @ 149
Thanks again, Elliott.
Suzanne @ 162
Oh, those new states are all alike! *g*
eCAHNomics @ 164
Number 2, is as far as the Senate’s Advise and Consent applies, I’m not expressly certain, but, I’m confidant that is accurate!!! :-)
C’ape, the number of extraordinary laps RGJoe has taken boggle the mind. He is truly a long-distance lapser.
TeddySanFran @ 169
:-P!!!
Romney is already calling Sen. Clinton a “Marxist”. Wait till these America hating Bush-bots really go on the attack.
-GSD
eCAHNomics @ 157
Couldn’t Congress withdraw that power of appointment “without advise and consent” from the President over these inferior officers?
That is, couldn’t the require that each and every “inferior officer” face appointment hearings where such questions as “Did you take an oath to serve the President of the United States”, and “If there were a conflict between the law, and a Presidential directive, would you follow the law and Constitution?”
Plus these hearings could be used to ask very pointed questions about their roles in the Adminsitration. And if the refused to answer their nomination would be in jeopardy. No subpoenas needed!
Good evening dear friends. Tonights snacks are in honor of Jane, from an earlier thread.
Snack 1
Snack 2
Now I’ll go read the post.
trying to find that post is like finding a needle in a haystake still looking……….
lolo
TexB @ 175
Hey, Sccoby Snacks! Evening, Betsy. how’s Texas treating you tonight?
Gotta go. Had to stay up for awhile to wind down after Siun’s post. Our domestic problems certainly raise the blood pressure less than Maryam’s. I wonder where people like her get their strength.
Calling tomorrow re HR333.
Tex, I’m not seeing any pj’s on those puppy cookies.
DrDick @ 177
Texas is calm and I am in much less pain than yesterday. Had a good and productive day.
g’nite, eCAHN. sleep well
Night ecahn. Sleep well, you will need your strength for the battle ahead.
Suzanne @ 179
They’re not ready for bed yet.
TeddySanFran @ 169
one’s hot and one’s cold. They’re like, the faucets in a sink.
cinnamonape @ 174
It’s already being challenged by Conyers and Leahy! It all falls under the purview of the Vacancies Act!!!
Here’s a link:
http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/76-3/763-1039.pdf
TexB @ 180
Glad to hear it. Still hot here. Hit 100 today and expect the same for tomorrow and most of the week. Just to add to our misery, we are getting tons of smoke from fires in Idaho. Not too bad, but enough to make you cough a bit and kick up the sinuses.
one’s hot and one’s cold. They’re like, the faucets in a sink.
LOL!
wrt recess appointments, Gonzales is ineffective and essentially done, but there is no way Bush replaces him voluntarily before his term ends. The CYA act has reached towering heights. Replace him with anyone – anyone at all – and it all comes down. However, I have no doubt some other surprises await in the recess.
not a good sign, dr (pause) dick – not good at all. still early in the fire season and the excessive hot temps dry out the trees so they act like matches.
Eureka Springs @ 165
I dunno. Repetition works very well for the republicans. Only the 20%ers will think it’s clever, the rest will be turned off by the smear. I think Americans are tired of having reactionary idiots in charge, and Mr. Romney should be portayed exactly as such. Tapdancing around and being fearful is what loses elections for us, IMHO.
DrDick @ 186
And we’ve had the coolest and rainiest July on record.
Suzanne @ 189
Fire managers for the Lolo National Forest (largest and closest of the 3 right around here) said two weeks ago that forest fuels were drier than had ever been recorded. We have moved to stage 2 fire restrictions as well (at least three weeks ahead of schedule on heat and drying). Our forests are beyond matches, they are flash paper.
Regarding the last thread, MCRove is at it again:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
lolo @ 176
I did a search on “recess” back to the May archives; found some mentions, but nothing about a Reid August plan. I hope he has one; he should.
Lolo is a forest?
Kos is down. I had just finished reading Meteor Blades’ most excellent diary on impeachment, and was working my way through What Better Reason Than War Crimes and Treason? by One Pissed Off Liberal and POOF! It was gone. I still get the front page when I go there, but can’t access any diary.
TexB @ 195
And a mountain and a town. ;~)
Oh, Dr. Dick…
oddmommy @ 184
Nice analogy, however, Hawai’i rarely reaches the high Nineties and 100 would be a rare spectacle, our trade winds ensure it’s nice and balmy!!! 8-)
DrDick @ 197
And a deranged individual here in Hawai’i!!! ;-)
Suzanne @ 133
Yes’m. A recent de-lurker. And all y’all are so welcoming that once I commented a couple few times and got responses, there was no going back!
Thank you for your kind words. It’s easy to be my best self here in this community you’ve helped to build.
Diva
Lindy @ 196
back now
Here’s Rayne at DKos.
http://rayne.dailykos.com/
Welcome Diva! Have you had a cookie?
WEll, I think I will call it a night and try not to dream of recess appointments. Take care and enjoy the snark.
Loo Hoo. @ 203
Very nice!
Diva, we all started out as lurkers, and once we commented, have found it darn near impossible to go back to not commenting. I still remember that it was Mrs. K8 who responded to my first comment here at the lake. I’ve tried to follow her example, making sure all those who comment are heard, and that their voice is acknowledged.
Sleep well DrDick.
DrDick @ 205
Always! G’nite, Dr(pause)Dick!!!
Thinking about Demi…
Here is a link to a piece from Judicial Confirmation Network that describes Reid’s plans to avoid recess appointments. He has one, but this dog will not hunt. Presidents have traditionally (meaningless to W)waited seven days after recess before making any appointments…the plan (I hang my head even to describe it) is to jigger the Senate Calendar so that the Senate is never out of recess….for more than seven days!
Get it? W will not violate a tradition and not wait those seven days, right? I’m sure we all agree that he wouldn’t do that.
Here is the link:
http://judicialnetwork.com/cgi…../161.shtml
g’nite dr (pause) dick, stay cool and sleep well
nrglaw @ 210
Is the congress deteremined to be in recess when they bang the gavel or is there a time period before it takes effect?
I don’t trust the forker as far as my 94 yo grandma with a broken arm could toss him.
nrglaw @ 211
This is promising!!!
“Angry Senate Democrats are mulling a two-pronged strategy to retaliate against the Bush administration for appointing three controversial figures to key executive branch posts during last week’s recess, including possibly shortening the August recess to no more than 10 days and blocking all future White House nominations.”
TexB @ 203
Oooh! Thank you, Aunt Betsy, don’t mind if I do!
mmmm…mfank oo. munch munch.
TeddySanFran @ 194
This might be what you’re looking for, except it’s from Think Progress.
link
nrglaw @ 211
Thank you for that find! I don’t trust W not to violate “traditions” either, considering his recess-appointed UnderSecDef Edelman is serving way past time.
Proof that Cindy Loo Hoo is all that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19901704/
Where has everyone gone? Is there a new thread that I missed?
Tex, I was wondering the same thing.
Off reading, I expect.
Margot @ 53
Some of my Flagstaff friends were kind enough to invite me over to dinner on Saturday evening, even though it interrupted their “Potter time” for a few hours. Ma, Pa, & son, sharing one book. Very sweet of them.
Bob in
HI WIAZThanks, Margot! I’d sure like to hear something definite, now that we’re up against August. That “rumor” from May isn’t all that comforting, but it’s good to know there was a plan being floated then.
SnarKassandra @ 116
As in this picture?
Hamantashen is a triangular, filled pastry which is traditionally served on the Jewish festival of Purim.
According to Jewish tradition, Haman, the evil character in the Purim story, wore a three-cornered hat. Somewhere along the way in Jewish history, the idea of Haman and his three-cornered hat was cleverly combined with a popular pastry called “Mantashen” to form “Hamantashen.” In Yiddish, “Mantashen” means poppy seed pockets and “Hamantashen” means “Haman’s pockets.”
While originally hamantashen pastries were filled with a poppy seed filling, over time the fillings became more varied.
forget it I got lost in the weeds over at TNH and teh google. So sorry now to read the comments…..grrrrrrrr I catch you all at late late night.
yeup, more like that, mitch, but foilie-er
Suzanne @ 225
And more hat-like.
TeddySanFran @ 222
I agree, Teddy, but, it had better come to fruition, or congress’ approval will sink even lower than it is now!!!
this nag is for teddy *cough*
Loo Hoo. @ 218
What a great dog! If that happened at Chez Persi the headline would read “Woman eaten by boa constrictor while cats demand their dinner”
loohoo, that is a wonderful story about zoey. thanks.
lolo @ 224
Wait, wait, lolo — Margot found this at TProgress!
GSD @ 130
I agree with your sentiments 100%, but your choice of words is unfortunate. The term “blood libel” has a specific meaning, and using it against Bill Kristol is wrong. Why not “theason libel?”
quick driveby…read enough comments to think this link would be appropriate for tinfoil hat fans
persiflage @ 229
Hah, I could see the same at my house, if there were snakes in Hawai’i!!! G’day Matey!!! ;-)
Technicolouryawn @ 137
I missed this. What are you talking about. If Mitt held up a sign that said, “obama=Osama” then he should be fried. And it is not childish. Politics ain’t beanbag.
“Woman eaten by boa constrictor while cats demand their dinner”
Too funny, Persiflage. Evening!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 233
Sigh! Nobody believes in science any more!!! 8-(
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 233
Excellent. Triangles are needed though for Suzanne.
Mitch, here is one link on the Obama/Osama signage. There are many others.
Where the heck is Petrocelli?
Loo Hoo. @ 240
Still entertaining guests?
CTuttle @ 237
I believe! just gotta love tinfoil hats tho 8~}
Loo Hoo. @ 240
I think he’s still entertaining his pests, err, guests! I haven’t seen him for a couple nites now!!! :-(
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 242
Keep the Faith!!! ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 236
That would be my own ungrateful cats, I tell ya.
isn’t the tricorner hat what general washington and his revolutionary force wore? i keep my tinfoil hat tricorner as a way of being true to the first revolutionaries.
Oh, boy off to read this in the WaPo:
How to Spend an Extra $15 Billion
In the past five years alone, the U.S. government has handed out more than $95 billion in agricultural subsidies. Post reporters criss-crossed the country in 2006, identifying more than $15 billion in wasteful, unnecessary and redundant spending.
Loo Hoo. @ 247
Sure! And no linky! :P
SnarKassandra @ 116
I learned that song in a 3rd grade German class! (Mein hat, er hatte drei ecke….)
Bob soon to be back in HI
LooHoo, I got a Zogby poll yesterday about that very subject. But the numbers they pointed out were $50 billion – and asked my priorities in diverting that money to environmental causes, rivers, etc., that do ultimately benefit farmers.
Hah, I could see the same at my house, if there were snakes in Hawai’i!!! G’day Matey!!! ;-)
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G’day my transpacific mate. No snakes in Hawai’i? I did not know that. So, I guess you don’t have bears (the non-human kind at least), no snakes, have you nothing to scare the crap out of the tourists with?
Wait, I didn’t get my Zogby poll!
(Mission accomplished, Suzanne!)
it’s been a refreshing driveby but i work first shift for the next four weeks & had better go to bed. Stand back…(jumps out of lake, does German Shepherd head-to-tail water dispersion movement, trots off)
g’nite, ndfg
persiflage @ 251
None! Thats why we’re inundated with Ya’ll!!! By the way, New Thread!!!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..l/#respond
Suzanne @ 150
I’ve made a note of it for when I get back to Hawaii. Thanks for the H/T
Bob soon back in HI
In helping to take out Daschle, this from the WaPo:
In his speech in South Dakota, the president said he opposed drought relief that would add to the federal budget deficit. So White House and USDA officials came up with the idea of tapping a special fund derived from annual customs receipts, the former official said. The fund, dating to 1935, is known as Section 32. The secretary of agriculture can use it to help farmers without consulting Congress.
On Sept. 12, Thune weighed in with a letter to the USDA suggesting the use of the fund.
Loo Hoo. @ 236
Hi Loo Hoo! I love my cats to pieces but they have no killer instinct. In summer they often bring in geckos, usually sans tail but otherwise in fine fettle. I can walk up, rescue the gecko, apologise to it, take it outside somewhere safe, come back, and the two cats are still staring at the patch of carpet where the gecko used to be, looking puzzled.
Staying up all night for *one* night can read as a stunt. Cancellation of the August recess will (rightly) read as major concern. If these folks are serious, they should stay in DC and move toward serious repairs. If they aren’t, we don’t need them…
If they’re concerned about ratings in general, it should fix the problem. And those who expect them at planned events can be made to understand and support them.
If those suckers are worried about beach house deposits or family vacations, ***** em. They should be in crisis mode – we are.
They have full time jobs like the rest of their constituents – those involve doing what is necessary when it’s necessary.
Now there is a new thread. See y’all upstairs.
SunnyNobility @ 259
There’s something quite powerful in “The Executive requires constant adult supervision, and we’re here to provide it.”
linky
Ok I found this one it’s not the one I was looking for but chew on this and I will look for more.
lolo (I am like a dog with a bone grrrr)
Teddy, you’re welcome.
I knew I’d heard about those plans somewhere.
I wouldn’t put anything past little Mr. Le Loi, C’est Moi, though.
TeddySanFran @ 231
Yippie!!!!!!!
marymccurnin @ 46
Rooftop blogging.. a fantastic idea. Not only news choppers.. also Google earth would start “advertising” the message.
And Scarlett.. well… amazing what you’ve started.
Obviously the Democrats must cancel summer leave by staying in session continuously. In addition, they need to continue doing all-night sessions, at least one a week. To do otherwise is to abandon the Constitution, right here, right now.
Unfortunately, by now it may be a foregone conclusion, regardless of what the Democrats do or don’t do, that the Constitution is finished. Nevertheless, if the Democrats don’t stay in session, continue with all-night sessions and otherwise exercise every single power available to them, they are as complicit in the destruction of the Constitution as any Republican who takes his or her marching orders from Cheneym, Bush and Gonzales.
It is very surprising to see how ignorant the commenters are of Reid’s ALREADY COMMUNICATED plan of reopening the Senate every ten days throughout the summer break, thus preventing any recess appointments.
You know, Reid and Pelosi lay out their calendar IN JANUARY. Apparently people have only now realized there is an August recess.
Whether or not there should be one this year is a separate issue. Leader Reid already clarified MONTHS AGO that recess appointments during August would not be possible. At the time, he said that new Senators would do the duty of keeping the Senate ‘open.’ (I can’t find a link to this information, but he HAS addressed this).
Ralph @ 266
Wow, just exactly how panic-stricken do you expect people to be?
Bushco DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER LEFT to make their barks into bites.
They LOVE scaring you, though.
The Constitution is not falling. The rightwing made some disgusting inroads into their plans to wreck it and the country for profit, and now their time is pretty much run. Can they attack Iran? Yes, they can, and there isn’t much that can be done. Can they destroy a US city and declare martial law? Yeah, they can — but that martial law would last a week, if that.
The more disaffiliated you are, the more fearmongering you do. There’s a message in there somewhere.
CAN Bush make ‘non-traditional’ recess appointments by violating the 10-day period? Yeah, he can. Everything of that sort that he does weakens him further. Can he simply install a new AG? Hilarious. I wish he would.
(sorry about screwing up the quoting above)
BigMitch @ 61
I think the Ds in the Senate should lie in wait for Gonzales to resign and then leap back into session.
Recess is a privilege, and to get it takes responsibility. They haven’t been, they don’t get a recess, but don’t tell them until the last minute. Piss ‘em off good!
Camp Congress: up all night, and away from home all summer