Commenter Elliott posed a great question earlier today about Congress's upcoming August recess and what appointments the President can make during recess to bypass Senate confirmation:
Does that include Attorney General?
and would Bush — at this point — replace Gonzales if he could get away with no confirmation hearings on the replacement AG?
That excellent question made me wonder: How scary is recess? Signs are ominous in Washington:
-- The Executive is claiming privilege in new and breathtakingly broad ways, while asserting that the USAttorneys, emanations of his will(!), can never prosecute Congressional contempt citations when he has claimed His Privilege.
-- His Attorney General continues to thwart, stall and mislead Congress about everything.
-- His UnderSecretary of Defense accuses a Senator on the Armed Services Committee of reinforcing enemy propaganda when she asks about plans to draw down US troops from our Occupation of Iraq.
-- The US Senate unanimously hands the Executive a Lieberman-crafted resolution on Iran that Bush might, charitably, see as not permitting him to bomb that country.
-- Court stenographers blame Harry Reid for being irresponsible.
-- Censure and impeachment are spoken of openly and often.
Presidents in the past have used the recess appointment for far more important positions, as it turns out, than simply putting Pam Atlas's favorite mustache ride at the United Nations to piss off libruls (and the rest of the world).
Did you know, for instance, that President Washington appointed Chief Justice John Rutledge during a Senate recess? Nor did I.
Or that Dwight Eisenhower made a recess appointment to the Supreme Court as well? Nor did I.
Ambassadors (James Hormel to Luxembourg, by Bill Clinton; Sam Fox to Belgium, by the current Preznit) are fairly tame examples of the recess appointment power. (Sam Fox's selection was so dodgy, having been withdrawn moments prior to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee vote, that he cannot draw a government salary in Brussels.)
But this definitely grabbed my attention: in 1992, Lawrence Eagleburger became acting Secretary of State, after James Baker III left State to run Poppy's re-election campaign. After losing the Presidency, GHWB recess-appointed Eagleburger to be Secretary of State for six weeks. So, yes -- there is precedent for recess appointments of Cabinet members by (extremely) lame-duck Presidents.
Well, we've seen GWB doesn't waste a lot of time trying to show up his Daddy! (Recess appointments made next month will last until this Congressional session ends -- in December 2008 or January 2009.)
P.S. To Majority Leader Harry Reid -- Please don't holler about the open barn door when recess appointment horses run through it, sir: the keys are in your hands. Lock the door: no August recess, please.
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Teddy!
hi
Thank you Teddy for your comments at downstairs. And thank you Siun for bringing Maryam to the Lake.
I don’t want to disrupt the thread downstairs by announcing this one…
What no recess, no wait no recess appointments now I can live with that.
TSF!
I say no recess. There are way, way too many things going on that require attention right now.
Very scary.
Hello, all! — sorry for the delay I implemented in deference to our guest on the previous thread.
Evening all. Almost as hot here as Teddy’s writing and no relief in sight. BTW, thanks for giving me more material for nightmares, Teddy.
On Thursday morning, July 19th, the beloved GOP talking point “up or down vote” was officially declared dead. Its demise was little noticed in the aftermath of the Senate Republicans’ successful all-night filibuster to block the Reed-Levin bill seeking to begin U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq. “Up or down vote” was killed by a desperate Republican Party trying to obstruct Democratic accomplishments at any cost in advance of the 2008 elections. And so far, the GOP seems to be getting away with the crime.
For the details, see:
“Up or Down Vote: Death of a GOP Talking Point.”
I politely let downstairs know, Teddy.
(((Teddy SF)))
This is what I get for composing comments and participating at the end of a thread instead of stalking the Zed.
Sigh.
Diva
Scary - very scary
Thanks, Teddy, for this post. Oh, those dogs days of August - absolutely positively no vacation for the critters of congress.
ELLIOT!
No recess indeed. Have you read anything about that possibility, Teddy?
Teddy, do ya think there is a snowball’s chance in hell Reid will keep the Senate open during the recess?
Surgeon General nominee James Holsinger is sure to get a recess appointment — both Clinton and Obama announced they’ll vote against him, and I heard elsewhere that the reichtards are unhappy he’s renounced his anti-gay views from 1991.
Howdy y’all!
I am back from Hogwarts & the the whole wizarding world. my lips are sealed.
I understand a lot about impeachment now and i guess I will learn more about censure.
Suzanne @ 12
thanks!
Diva, I liked what you had to say downstairs. It’s what I would have wanted to say, if I were even half so eloquent as you.
Thank you, Teddy, for bringing this important topic to the top. I’m terrified. We’ve got to make a big change now or it will be too late.
We need to start impeachment proceedings against Cheney, and the Bush.
LoudounLib @ 20
Agreed.
gee Teddy, thanks
(looking down at her toes and wee bit blushed)
Elliott!!
yg FB mail!
Cassie, you need to see the thread below– it’s very eye-opening, to say the least. I was speechless.
Don’t forget recess was Georgie’s best subject!
TeddySanFran @ 17
Holsinger is the least to worry about - and that ain’t saying much. The pandemic flu planning and preparedness efforts are awful, yet Bush gave himself an A for planning - which is nonexistent. The CDC and NIH budget cuts are sterring more and more scientists toward premanent bright flight out of the US and to foreign labs, where they will become permanent due to the nature of funding and the timing of research cycles. Meanwhile the House is getting feisty around the expansion of Medicare
Elliott @ 26
It’s what brought his grade up to C-.
Hope you don’t mind me blogging your last paragraph there…linkback here of course…
So what would keep congress in session, its easier to shame a bear into to thinking that the woods is not the place to go to the bathroom than to keep these guys working.
Suzanne @ 16
The AG had a video-link pep rally with his employees Friday and pledged not to resign. Pretty good sign he will, right? And Bush knows his nominee can’t survive a confirmation battle.
Considering the Sam Fox history, Harry should know what might happen. The only way to stop it is no recess.
FunnyDiva, let me line up with LL and LooHoo. You have really been on a roll tonite. Here’s to you!
(gulp)
argosfalcon @ 30
That is because a bear is capable of felling shame. Many congress critters are not (especially on the rightard side of the aisle).
these are the signs I put up next to freeways yesterday:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....erday.html
that’s 1,164 signs on freeways since Jan. 1st. people still ask me if it’s legal.
LoudounLib @ 24
;)
Teddy, emptywheel discussed this the other day and assured us that Harry was going to cover it. I am off to find the linky. Just hate to see everyone get riled up while I look for it be right back.
lolo
Elliott @ 23
Thank you!!
Jane and Christy and Pach have always said many of their best ideas for posts come from our wonderful comments: tonite’s post is swift proof. Once ahold of that bone, I could not let go!
OT, looks like dems are doing a little something for outsourced workers. WaPo:
As part of their campaign to soothe an anxious middle class, congressional Democrats are preparing legislation that would significantly expand federal aid to the most obvious victims of the global economy: workers whose jobs move offshore or are lost to foreign imports.
Under a Senate bill to be introduced today, computer programmers, call-center staffers and other service-sector workers who make up the vast majority of the nation’s workforce would for the first time be eligible for a generous package of income, health and retraining benefits currently reserved for manufacturing workers who lose their jobs to international trade.
Co sponsored by Olympia Snowe and Max Baucus.
Suzanne @ 16
I do. But only in a very limited way, Like 15 minutes every other day.
I just assumed Reid was going to keep the August in session. I just can’t believe he’s not. I am profoundly disappointed. What is he thinking?
I hope lolo’s right
Evening, everyone. Hope all had a good weekend.
See, the problem here is that Democrats are so used to playing by the rules that they can’t get their heads around the idea that anyone could think that playing by the rules is for suckers. It simply never occurs to them that the Republicans will do any of the despicable things that they have repeatedly done.
This is a potentially distateful analogy, but it’s like the Dems go to a fraternity party, there’s a huge sign on the door saying that the punch is laced with roofies, and they immediately pound down three glasses. Then they’re surprised when they wake up in the hospital the next morning and the cops want to ask them a bunch of questions.
(Can you tell I’ve been watching CSI: New York on DVD all weekend?).
Loo Hoo. @ 22
I am completely exhausted by the last thread and in tears. What a horror… and what a day here at the lake. Still friends?
Let me add my congrats, Elliott. Twas a very good question - one we will be chewing on until the recess comes and we know one way or another.
Woohoo, Elliott
Scarlot, “We’re all wearing the blue dress now” is my fav!
Elliott @ 23
A woman named Elliott? Is your first name George?
scarlet p. @ 34
We all need to put those in our frontyards. Tomorrow. Big, giant ones. Spell impeach on the roof so the news helicopters will see it.
BigMitch @ 45
could be a last name, could be a first.
So how about we put pressure on Reid and the Senate Dems to keep that barn door closed before the horses get out?
Elliott @ 46
That’s very Southern, ya know — interchangeable first and last names ;-) I know lots of people here in VA like that
Elliott @ 48
Is there any chance they can leave a few congressmen there so it isn’t completely empty?
Let’s tell Reid we thought only the politicians in Iraq think it’s a good idea to recess during August.
Reid should put his face on every TV camera in sight declaring the Dem’s commitment to working through August — just like our troops will be doing.
The President cannot and should not be left alone to do his damage.
The Senate and House are going home to raise money. That is why they aren’t willing to stay in session. What a profound statement it would make for the dems to say “Money be damned. I am going to do the right thing and stay in washington dc.”
Hi Snarky!
My older son has finished the book too. His lips had better be sealed until younger son and I finish the book.
From a thread yesterday:
Elliott @ 47
Mary Ann Evans (22 November 1819 – 22 December 1880), better known by her pen name George Eliot, was an English novelist. She was one of the leading writers of the Victorian era. Her novels, largely set in provincial England, are well known for their realism and psychological perspicacity. She wrote Silas Marner which many high school students have been forced to suffer through.
Cassie, I just got here from Hogworts as well. I’m not going to say anything spoilery but I am now totally convinced that Dick Cheney’s role model is Voldemort. Someone needs to start looking for horcruxes right away.
There has got to be a way to avoid s recess. This president has proven he will take advantage of any gap in the congressional defenses. If the Dems are serious about fighting this administration and actually winning, deciding not to recess could send a powerful message to the people. I’m guessing if they could get someone to handle it PR wise the way it needs to be handled, it could make a huge difference in public opinion. Plus, it would thwart the crimnial in chief. That alone is reason to do it.
Scarlet P.
You placed a sign a few blocks from my house in Portland. I saw it from the freeway. Thank you!
BigMitch @ 39
Last month, I thought I read that Reid said that was the plan. If he doesn’t do it, I guess the Dems told him to F-off.
LoudounLib @ 49
Would that include people with the first name “Mitchell”?
Liberal Heart @ 50
as newspaperbrat would say, Ding!
Steve-AR @ 58
Thinking out loud, here. What if he made a deal with the White House not to do it, so that Gonzo could resign, and W could make a recess appointment? Would that be a good thing?
Hey, al the spook, are you still here?
How about we save our fire about impeachment, but maybe agitate for no August Recess?
Please?
My Monday wouldn’t be complete without talking to the nice folks at the Capitol Switchboard.
(see al’s comments at the end of the PJ party thread if this is confusing).
Diva
Still friends, Christine. (And Suzanne?)
BigMitch @ 60
No
Another great post…but I have to go to sleep soon!
BigMitch @ 59
Yes, of course. I know someone with the first name of Merriweather ;-)
BigMitch @ 61
No. Bush’s history is to go from bad to worse.
Hey LooHoo, I know of no reason why we would not be. Of course, contrary to what my girls say about me, I do not know everything.
Suzanne @ 64
Explain your thinking, please. Getting rid of Gonzo ain’t nothing.
LoudounLib @ 66
There’s a famous Merriweather, whose last name was a common first name, as in, e.g. Superman’s alter ego.
I for one will not give one sitting Democrat money in the month of August if the recess goes on as planned.
TeddySanFran @ 54
wow. prefect.
For all you Tin-Foil Hat enthusiasts here at the Lake, I’ve got disappointing news: They don’t work!!!
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
BigMitch @ 55
….
if I could write like that !
If there’s a recess, I hope our four Supremes stay safe. No BASE jumping, Breyer!
Mitch, Bush goes from bad to worse. We could go from AbuG to someone on the scale of Stalin running DOJ. I do think it would be a bad idea of let him screw up the justice department even more than he already has.
good night all, gotta go serve the public in the AM.
Elliott @ 47
My Sheltie’s name was Elliott and like so many Shelties, she had a lot of class. Affectionately we called her Ellie. I tried to get my daughter to name my granddaughter Elliott. She objected. I like saying the name.
CTuttle @ 73
Suzanne @ 64
would you take George W. at his word?
LoudounLib @ 77
bye!
LoudounLib @ 77
g’nite LL.
LoudounLib @ 77
Keep ‘em safe LL.
g’nite, LL. sleep well.
Bush: Inspectors Find Weapons of Ass Destruction
that last thread was really intense. Words kind of fail me here (which as you all may have noticed they do not often do).
Personal to Suzanne:
Something you said yesterday must have really pissed off the Yankees. They beat Tampa Bay 21-4 today.
:-)
QuakerGirl @ 78
gee thanks. :)
Suzanne @ 76
If Abu resigns, W would recess-appoint David Addington, Cheney’s new Libby, and the proponent of the Unitary Executive uber Alles. So, yes — things could actually get worse.
‘Night, LL. I’m not far behind.
Night LL. Keep the public safe from themselves.
LoudounLib @ 4
Pfft - I’m already here….you can only talk to yourself for so long, ya know, before it’s like noticeable!
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oddmommy, yeah, we are all feeling the afteraffects of the last thread.
As was said, it is up to us here to do our job and get our troops out. Teddy’s thread helps us hold congressional leaders accountable for doing their job, which 70% of Americans say is to get our troops out of Iraq.
TeddySanFran @ 89
You have pursuaded me. I will try to never underestimate W again.
TeddySanFran @ 89
and every day I keep saying it can.not.get.worse.
and yet every day, it does — it’s always something.
TeddySanFran @ 89
Or call up ole Yoo in Berkeley.
mitch - all i can say to that is (after laughin) sppppfffft (or whatever the sound of a raspberry is)
Hey, Snarky! I’ve been reading your series on impeachment-outstanding work. My compliments.
It is wonderful being drowned in a lot of personal matters to attend to (like moving) where the world seemed to have only one bad thing - crazy speeding drivers. Now I’m reading Teddy and he takes me back to the other reality that is scarier than the monkey drivers behind the wheel.
Recess appointments: GW will try to set a record here too. Why not. It’s worked everywhere else.
Eureka Springs @ 97
Oh. My. God. Call and exorcist, STAT!
The last thread was really intense. I wish I could guage how representative her views are. I suspect the answer is VERY.
Recess appts. via wiki. Scroll down under examples to the paragraph starting with W.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment
And I wonder when Edelman was approved by the Senate to permanantly fill the job Feith was performing?
The man that accused Hillary of aiding the enemy (although her letter requesting that the Pentagon initiate a plan for withdrawal from the quagmire was a confidential one) was only supposed to be an INTERIM appointment until January 2007.
http://www.mindfully.org/Refor.....9aug05.htm
So it appears that his term has been long up. And given his misbehavior he has made several BIG enemies. Of course, perhaps it was a parting shot by a lame-duck appointment…trying to make his failure to obtain Senate approval a “personal issue”.
But I think that accusing a Senator of “aiding the enemy” by simply