hey teddy!

zed?

i hit a homerun!

it’s just a shout away…Teddy!

Thank you teddy. tammy faye, may she find peace at last.

nice

burnspbesq @ 2

zed?

Nope. Close only counts in horseshoes and back seats of cars in secluded locations.

saw her interview.
she seemed honestly decent.
now blessed that she is beyond pain of this world.

RIP, Tammy.

i got to quit while i’m ahead.
while i’m a zed.
go to bed!

(”feed your head.”)

Hello!~

thanks, again, teddy

Peace at last for Tammy Faye.

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

lolo @ 14

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

No big news that I’m aware of. Here’s an interesting take from a former jihadist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1

not a thing, lolo

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

Hi, everyone. Thanks for this post, Teddy. I wish her peace.

WaPo Page One profile of an “influential” anti-immigrant anti-gay hatespeaker/blogger. They are really scared of the bloggers and will do anything to de-legitimize us in the eyes of those who don’t know what the blogosphere is all about. This guy is factfree and hatefilled.

Illegal immigrant ice cream vendors might be spreading leprosy in Manassas. Prince William County has been infiltrated by “unassimilated marxist radicals.” Manassas Park police covered up the predations of five Hispanic men who gang-raped a woman in the street in June.

These claims, among others, have been made in recent months by Greg Letiecq, whose popular blog, Black Velvet Bruce Li, offers “Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics” — often making up in passion what it lacks in proof.

LooHoo, that is a very interesting op-ed. I know I went into it thinking that it was something that the boosh administration planted in the wapoo but i ended the article with a sense that it really was a genuine and heartfelt article written by someone who has struggled with the issues.

RIP Tammy Fay
the goddess only made one of her

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it – go ahead and jump in

I came out of the same denomination the Bakkers did. I admired Tammy Faye for having the grace and the courage to admit her mistakes, and to make amends.

She will be missed.
-S

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

Suzanne @ 22

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it – go ahead and jump in

splish! splash!

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

TSF — Thanks for posting this about Tammy Faye. Despite the troubles during her first marriage, I admired how she continued to embrace life….and those with different lifestyles from her own.

OT I obviously can’t sleep here on the east coast. Have ESPN2 on as background noise. There’s one of those high end car auction shows on. Who do I spot in the crowd of bidders standing there looking like an absolute and total doofus?

DENNY HASTERT

Maybe he’s spending some of that money that’s alledgely from Turkey?

Make that ‘SHE and her sleazeball husband”.

Loo Hoo. @ 15

lolo @ 14

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

No big news that I’m aware of. Here’s an interesting take from a former jihadist.
What a strange article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

cobalt90 @ 26

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

colbolt90, can we please have the good manners to not insult someone who just died until after the funeral?

after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.

How was Bill Maher’s show tonite?

Suzanne @ 22

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it – go ahead and jump in

Take a deep breath!

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

Elliott @ 30

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

Thanks, Elliott – I moderated over 1600 comments that night. The Lake was hopping!

Bill Maher was excellent this evening.

It’s amazing when a full hour of stand up comedy allows only enough time to cover the surface of a few short months of the Bush Administration and requires absolutely nothing but facts and pregnant pauses for full comedic effect.

Suzanne @ 35

Elliott @ 30

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

Thanks, Elliott – I moderated over 1600 comments that night. The Lake was hopping!

you and the whole crew made it hum so fun

<a href=”#comment-839342″ rel=”nofollow”><em>Suzanne @ 31</em></a>
<blockquote><a href=”#comment-839337″ rel=”nofollow”><em>cobalt90 @ 26</em></a>
<blockquote>So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?</blockquote>

<blockquote>colbolt90, can we please have the good manners to not insult someone who just died until after the funeral?</blockquote>

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?

<blockquote>after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.</blockquote>

Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.</blockquote>

Loo Hoo. @ 34

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

I agree. She looked so ill. Nobody deserves to be remembered that way.

Eureka Springs @ 36

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Mr. Springs

Eureka Springs @ 36

Bill Maher was excellent this evening.

It’s amazing when a full hour of stand up comedy allows only enough time to cover the surface of a few short months of the Bush Administration and requires absolutely nothing but facts and pregnant pauses for full comedic effect.

Glad to hear that – is the show rerun available online ala Jon and Colbert?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES! Leo?

Jane (nyc) @ 27

TSF — Thanks for posting this about Tammy Faye. Despite the troubles during her first marriage, I admired how she continued to embrace life….and those with different lifestyles from her own.

OT I obviously can’t sleep here on the east coast. Have ESPN2 on as background noise. There’s one of those high end car auction shows on. Who do I spot in the crowd of bidders standing there looking like an absolute and total doofus?

DENNY HASTERT

Maybe he’s spending some of that money that’s alledgely from Turkey?

HA! when I read the first few line of your post I thought I would tell you to use my trick. Cspan! You never know what they are going to slip in the dead of night. But there was Denny boy at the races and you mentioning the money from Turkey that know one but Lukery mentions . Hey Jane you get around *g*

newspaperbrat @ 32

How was Bill Maher’s show tonite?

It was about a year too late. Funny as usual.

Thanks Elliott.. I have a few more hours til its official..a few more hours of denial..)

NPB, Don’t know about the show online.. I watched it on the tele this evening.

Loo Hoo. @ 34

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

Well, Larry said she reached out to him, and he could not refuse her. Presumably, she wanted another chance to speak her piece to people. It was hard to watch; we were quite teary-eyed at chez TSF that nite.

cobalt90 @ 38

Suzanne @ 31

cobalt90 @ 26

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?

Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.

first of all, we do not insult other commenters here at the lake.

second, how can we condemn fred phelps for intruding on the grief of families of soldiers if we allow people to do similar here when someone whose politics or lifestyle is not approved of dies.

how is that different?

TRex, did you ask this question?

Athens, Ga.: Can you give other instances in which Bush and/or Cheney have overreached on claims of executive privilege?

Mark J. Rozell: I am tempted to make a shameless plug for my book, “Executive Privilege.” Actually, I just did.

Seriously, yes the administration has made other claims of EP, or have in some instances tried to expand the scope of that power through an executive order. One example was the claim of EP to try to conceal some old Department of Justice documents from a congressional committee doing an investigation of alleged corruption in the FBI back in the 1970s. You can look up the details — and it is indeed in my book — but the short answer here is that the administration tried to claim that EP protects all internal deliberations within the Department of Justice, even in cases of long-ago closed investigations in that department. I have argued that EP certainly does extend to cases of ongoing investigations in the DOJ, but the presumption of secrecy recedes when the investigations have closed. Most experts who testified at the time also believed that Bush overreached in that case.

Executive privilege/WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..iscussions

cobalt90

Did you say something? I couldn’t hear you.

Eureka Springs @ 44

Thanks Elliott.. I have a few more hours til its official..a few more hours of denial..)

…

time will not be denied

LooHoo, stay out of this. This is between the Moderator of the Lake(me) and a commenter that is not you.

ES, Happy Birthday.;)
Nite to all.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES!

YES, YES!

colbolt, i am not going to argue this with you.

if you do not have the good manners to wait until after the funeral, and continue to insult commentors here, you will be banned. is that clear enough?

You have been asked nicely.

You insulted me and argued it.

I explained further.

You continued to insult and argue.

now that it is after midnight here, Happy Birthday, ES!

Hello?

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:

We expect (we are told/we learn/we know) that Soc*al*sm is when the private sector is owned by the Government.
But it goes unmentioned that this implies that Fascism is when the private sector owns the Government.

that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

Hippo birdie Mr Springs

Loo Hoo. @ 55

Hello?

Hi, Loo Hoo.

Nothin’ like an attempted flamewar to shut down a thread, eh?

Whassup? Did Actin-preznit-dick do anything rash during his 2.5 hrs as Absolute Dictator?
Did the world as we know it end while I was at a small county fairgrounds enjoying Horse Around Days?

Dang. 30 hours away from the Lake and I feel like I’ve been livin’ in a cave…

Diva

Sorry for being short with you earlier, LooHoo. It was uncalled for for me to be that harsh.

Mr. Springs, I am celebrating your existence! Happy Birthday!

Tammy Faye and the Gays

“Whoever thought that a televangelist would become a gay icon?” asks renowned New York City drag queen Lady Bunny. “But somehow it happened.” At a recent Tammy Faye look-alike contest held at a gay nightclub in Washington, D.C., Lady Bunny introduced the real Tammy Faye to a raucous crowd. And even at this over-the-top contest, surrounded by men in falsies and pancake makeup, Tammy Faye Messner is impossible to upstage.

Messner’s smooth stage style comes from 35 years of experience on live television, singing and sermonizing to a global audience of born-again Christians. But her unlikely rise in popularity within the gay community got a huge boost a couple of years ago from a largely uncritical documentary about her life’s saga, The Eyes of Tammy Faye.

Wow, that’s Late Nite FDL for ya. Tammy Faye and Lady Bunny.

Loo Hoo. @ 52

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES!

YES, YES!

Many happy, happy returns, ES. Even if it is to a 2nd- or 3rd- or 10th- annual 21st BD!

Diva

“The gay people” came to help Tammy? I missed that news. What’s that all about ?

btw, some close family friends of mine had Rev. Bob Tilton as a next door neighbor when I was growing up – yeeouch -not to be confused with Rev. “Bob” of the Church of the Subgenius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C….._SubGenius

edit: just saw TSF @ 61. WoW.

ES where did you go?

Hi Diva. I’ve recovered. Sheriff was showing her badge and taking charge.

Fortunately Dick Cheney (just realized that’s DC) sat quietly while the polups (sp) were removed.

This is reposted from the previous thread. When I wrote it, I thought that I would be alone in having something nice to say about TFB. I am happy to see that I under-estimated the FireDogLake community.

I actually have some sympathy for Tammy Faye and not just on the occassion of her passing.

Here’s my take. First of all, I don’t judge other people’s religion, given the fact that my own believes in such crazy stuff as the Red Sea parting.

In her religion, as I understand it, they believe that a person in favor with God will be rewarded materially in this world. When she told her followers that she had an air-conditioned doghouse, they LOVED it. Who am I to judge?

Her wealth was seen as an afront to Christian ideals of humility and sacrifice for the least among us. But that was not her religion.

Then the government came down on her, which had the effect of destroying her marriage. How can one not feel for her in those circumstances?

She wore too much eye make-up — I’ll grant you that. But I am no fashionplate either, so, again, who am I to judge?

I only watched PTL club once. On that episode she announced that she had given Jim Bakker a pair of matched giraffes for his birthday. The audience cheered wildly.

Elliott @ 64

ES where did you go?

you aren’t bitter bitter about this, are you?

yellowdog jim @ 56

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:

We expect (we are told/we learn/we know) that Soc*al*sm is when the private sector is owned by the Government.
But it goes unmentioned that this implies that Fascism is when the private sector owns the Government.

that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

thanks, i was wondering.
now i am wondering …
soc*l*sm is a problem for …
… well maybe the NSA who is spying on us?

should i just try to be real quiet-like and uh, act natural now?
… (tip toeing quietly …)

Hugs, Suzanne. I guess I missed an earlier comment by a certain commenter on the periodic table.

The word that is bleeped by the filters has within it the boner pill that begins with a C.

yellowdog jim @ 68

yellowdog jim @ 56

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:
that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

thanks, i was wondering.
now i am wondering …
soc*l*sm is a problem for …
… well maybe the NSA who is spying on us?

should i just try to be real quiet-like and uh, act natural now?
… (tip toeing quietly …)

Find the word within the word…

WoW The Tazer worked!

Loo Hoo. @ 65

Hi Diva. I’ve recovered. Sheriff was showing her badge and taking charge.

Fortunately Dick Cheney (just realized that’s DC) sat quietly while the polups (sp) were removed.

Polyps. (yes, the Diva’s a total Science Nerd).

Glad you’ve recovered, Loo Hoo. Sheriff Suzanne was doing her job, under extreme provocation. I appreciate all the Lake Mods for keeping this place Firedog Lake instead of Flamewar Troll Lake. Often times when I follow a link from here and follow a comment thread at another blog, I find the sort of immature back n forth that I remember from the usenet alt. groups in the early to mid 1990s.

So, thanks, Suzanne, for all you do. You’re one heck of a lady.

Diva

ooops, Sorry, I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

thanks for the kind words and for understanding, loohoo.

yup, yellowdog, you had a word within a word.. the lurking mod fixed it when it was released…

Eureka Springs @ 74

ooops, Sorry I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

wow.

wise Asian sage, Hoo Noo.

lose a “so” and an “m”.
are all the brand name ED meds not allowed?

“”Yes”, yellowdog, “yes”.”

Hoo Noo?

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

funnydiva, i keep it all in perspective. as i tell myself, its not like someone is actually shooting at me. with that mindset, it is much easier to deal with problems that arise here.

the lake is a very special place and i just help keep it that way.

persiflage @ 78

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

the icing was seven minutes lomg

MMMM Chocolate.

Think I will have that first piece with coffee in the morning..)

Calling it a nite..

Be well you fabulous firedogs..)

persiflage @ 78

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

OK, now im hungry, damnit… *pads off to the fridge*

Good Night

cobalt99 @ 78

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

Thank you. I am sorry your granny was conned out of her life savings and your family had to support her.

I thought it was against FDL policy to change one’s user name?

Jane, it is permitted if it is done openly. Is there someone you think is sock puppetting – which is not permitted? If so, please let me know at ten67x at gmail dot com.

Eureka Springs @ 74

ooops, Sorry, I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

Where’s TexB? Guess I’ll have to bake one for you.

http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/cake173a.jpg

Suzanne @ 80

the lake is a very special place and i just help keep it that way.

Yes, it is. A very special place. I see true friendship and honest disagreement here every day. I think it works because of the diligence of the mods and the commitment of Firepups to the good of the community as a whole.

Here’s to you, pups: (((((((AWROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO))))))))

Diva

Suzanne @ 85

cobalt99 @ 78

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

Thank you. I am sorry your granny was conned out of her life savings and your family had to support her.

How sweet.

Jane (nyc) @ 86

I thought it was against FDL policy to change one’s user name?

Typo.

There’s a lot I don’t understand about the particular rules of etiquette at FDL, so slap me down if I am out of line.

The comment quoted at #84 sounds to me like another slam at Tammy Faye.

I don’t know anything about the periodic table or C-99’s grandmother. But it is a slippery slope to say she was conned, if she was promised eternal salvation, and that she didn’t get it. See, my comment #66.

the icing was seven minutes lomg

——————————————-

And it was seven minutes of truly delicious!

the spelling police only patrol the front page posts and not the comments, cobalt90.

Loo Hoo. @ 88

Eureka Springs @ 74

Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

Where’s TexB? Guess I’ll have to bake one for you.

http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/cake173a.jpg

Day-AM, Loo Hoo. For a cake like that (with chocolate raspberry goodness inside) I think I could actually be happy to begin yet another decade in my personal Opera.

Diva

Mitch, I choose to let that comment in because the commenter said she apologized. We shall see if that was in fact a true statement or not by the comments that follow.

Suzanne @ 94

the spelling police only patrol the front page posts and not the comments, cobalt90.

Ooops! (see me @ 73).
Forgot to take off my editor hat and put on the tinfoil one.

Diva

BigMitch @ 92

But it is a slippery slope to say she was conned, if she was promised eternal salvation, and that she didn’t get it.

Glad you feel that way. Send me all your money and you’ll be saved.

Funnydiva2002 – May I say that I love your handle? It makes me think of Beverly Sills – funny and brilliant! I interviewed her years ago in SF and have rarely been so impressed before or since with an opera star.

Night, pups.
Thanks for the good company and the snark.
Diva

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

Funnydiva2002 @ 100

Night, pups.
Thanks for the good company and the snark.
Diva

nite diva

Nighters, Funnydiva. Pleasant dreams.

Suzanne @ 96

Mitch, I choose to let that comment in because the commenter said she apologized. We shall see if that was in fact a true statement or not by the comments that follow.

Gee…I thought the bitter contempt was palpable. Guess 2:47 Am takes it’s toll.

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

Man-o-man that Bill Maher was funny as hell, tonight.

colbalt, if you wish to fight, please go elsewhere to do so.

BigMitch @ 106

Man-o-man that Bill Maher was funny as hell, tonight.

Thank you Mitch!

Loo Hoo. @ 105

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

So why Tammy and not Duke?

Loo Hoo. @ 105

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

That’s mourn. But I would feel sorry for any family members who mourned him.

Sorry if this post caused anyone any heartburn. I certainly don’t think Tammy Faye was perfect. In fact, I laughed and screamed awfully hard about her and her conman husband Jim Bakker when they went down.

But redemption is a funny thing. She was the first person — ever — to touch an AIDS patient on television. She was probably among the first people who even said AIDS on television. And for that, in her pain and sorrow, she was embraced by a community long scorned and cast out who understood something of pain and sorrow.

That she, and more particularly her husband, caused many people pain and bilked them goes without saying. No one here is celebrating that aspect of her life. But there is in her life, for me, an element of redemption and forgiveness that transcends her faith, which I certainly do not share. “I want you to find peace. I want you to find joy.”

G’nite, ‘pups, see you tomorrow!

Asking whether or not to mourn is not the same as being insulting. Those are two different things.

g’nite teddy. thanks again.

newspaperbrat @ 99

Funnydiva2002 – May I say that I love your handle? It makes me think of Beverly Sills – funny and brilliant! I interview her years ago in SF and have rarely been so impressed before or since with an opera star.

Hey, thanks, npb. FunnyDiva was already taken when I wanted it 5 years ago, so I just added the year. I have a different account that’s funnysassydiva, but it seemed a little OTT for FDL use.

Sounds like you’ve had one heck of a cool career. And, yes, it’s magic when a huge artistic talent is coupled with a huge talent for people. (I think that makes sense). I know an orchestra conductor at the beginning of his career who has both. Everyone who’s worked with him is hoping he gets the early breaks needed to have the big career he wants. Because it’s sooooooo much less effort to work with a hugely talented person who’s also a genuinely nice one.

Oh, and I love hearing about Monterey and the Central Coast. I’m originally from Silicon Valley, and did my undergrad in SLO town.

Diva
really, truly *poof* this time!

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

TeddySanFran @ 111

Sorry if this post caused anyone any heartburn. I certainly don’t think Tammy Faye was perfect. In fact, I laughed and screamed awfully hard about her and her conman husband Jim Bakker when they went down.

But redemption is a funny thing. She was the first person — ever — to touch an AIDS patient on television. She was probably among the first people who even said AIDS on television. And for that, in her pain and sorrow, she was embraced by a community long scorned and cast out who understood something of pain and sorrow.

That she, and more particularly her husband, caused many people pain and bilked them goes without saying. No one here is celebrating that aspect of her life. But there is in her life, for me, an element of redemption and forgiveness that transcends her faith, which I certainly do not share. “I want you to find peace. I want you to find joy.”

G’nite, ‘pups, see you tomorrow!

And thank you Teddy.
nite

BigMitch @ 115

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

touche, mitch :)

Sweet dreams TeddySF – you rock!

Teddy @ 111

Elegantly said….and I agree completely.

Nite.

Sweet dreams Teddy and big hugs.

BigMitch @ 115

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

Right… And how ’bout them Niners?

Loo Hoo. @ 110

Loo Hoo. @ 105

no

That’s mourn. But I would feel sorry for any family members who mourned him.

Would you feel annoyance when someone was to post “RIP Duke Cunningham, the goddess only made one of him.”?

(banging head against keyboard) football!

I love on FDL, when there are pictures of food, and posters talk of baking one another cakes, etc.

And yet, there are some rules about feeding, no?

Suzanne @ 122

(banging head against keyboard) football!

get Jane’s tazer Suze

Did everyone see that Michael Moore will do a live chat at Crooks and Liars tomorrow at 4:00 eastern?

cobalt90 @ 122

Loo Hoo. @ 110

That’s mourn. But I would feel sorry for any family members who mourned him.

Would you feel annoyance when someone was to post “RIP Duke Cunningham, the goddess only made one of him.”?

I would certainly be respectful of their right to say so, especially on the day of that person’s death, yes.

She was such a funky character, but even with her big black eyes and overdone makeup…somehow her charm came through.

I doubt anyone will be nearly as sad when her x-husband passes.

Very sad….65 is too young.

I got involved in conversation here, and had to change my plans to see Sicko tonight. :-(

Loo Hoo. @ 125

Did everyone see that Michael Moore will do a live chat at Crooks and Liars tomorrow at 4:00 eastern?

Yes and we are having a book salon here I think Pach previewed it yesterday.

lolo @ 125

Suzanne @ 122

(banging head against keyboard) football!

get Jane’s tazer Suze

Hmmmm…what seems to be the problem? I’ve left the insults behind, I’ve apologized, I’m being polite.

The mods and their fans go on about what a great place this is to have discussions. That’s all I’m trying to do at this point.

cobalt90 @ 131

lolo @ 125

get Jane’s tazer Suze

Hmmmm…what seems to be the problem? I’ve left the insults behind, I’ve apologized, I’m being polite.

The mods and their fans go on about what a great place this is to have discussions. That’s all I’m trying to do at this point.

that was not referencing you – that was regarding the sports comment

Time for the ole brat to say goodnight – still catching up from the filibuster and worth every minute. ((((((((SUZANNE!))))))) you rock!

Sweet dreams all you intrepid Late Night firepups.

lolo @ 130

Loo Hoo. @ 125

Did everyone see that Michael Moore will do a live chat at Crooks and Liars tomorrow at 4:00 eastern?

Yes and we are having a book salon here I think Pach previewed it yesterday.

Cool! Is his book about healthcare?

cobalt90 – Suzanne is a gracious hostess, and sports get her a little (i think she may be a closet Cleveland fan from way back).
Treat everyone with some grace and you’ll find FDL a warm swim…

BigMitch @ 114

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

During any lull in a conversation a friend of mine would say. “So, there we were, 3 against 1000. Toughest fucking 3 I ever fought”. Always broke the ice.

newtonusr @ 135

cobalt90 – Suzanne is a gracious hostess, and sports get her a little (i think she may be a closet Cleveland fan from way back).
Treat everyone with some grace and you’ll find FDL a warm swim…

Cleveland? Et tu, newtonusr?

persiflage @ 135

BigMitch @ 114

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

During any lull in a conversation a friend of mine would say. “So, there we were, 3 against 1000. Toughest fucking 3 I ever fought”. Always broke the ice.

LOL

Suzanne @ 132

cobalt90 @ 131

Hmmmm…what seems to be the problem? I’ve left the insults behind, I’ve apologized, I’m being polite.

The mods and their fans go on about what a great place this is to have discussions. That’s all I’m trying to do at this point.

that was not referencing you – that was regarding the sports comment

*shrug*

I have always assumed Newtonuser was from Boston. As in the town formerly known as Quincy, home of John Quincy Adams.

Is your moniker a sign that you are using the first digital personal assistant?

Gotta love Dave Barry when you need a laugh:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..forum.html

BigMitch @ 140

I have always assumed Newtonuser was from Boston. As in the town formerly known as Quincy, home of John Quincy Adams.

Is your moniker a sign that you are using the first digital personal assistant?

Bay Area, left coast, dude. And yes, the real progenitor of todays PDA’s…

Loo Hoo. @ 133

lolo @ 130

Yes and we are having a book salon here I think Pach previewed it yesterday.

Cool! Is his book about healthcare?

Sorry I should have clarified. The book is, The Rise of the Blogosphere. Discussion with Author Aaron Barlow moderated by Pachacutec

thanks, lolo. i was so confused there.

lolo @ 142

Sorry I should have clarified. The book is, The Rise of the Blogosphere. Discussion with Author Aaron Barlow moderated by Pachacutec

Should be interesting. I’ve been thinking a lot lately that the blogosphere will come into its own when it becomes a more reliable vehicle for mass action.

For instance: Bill Oreilly put a pretty hard hit on YK07 and I suggested we write to Applebees which sponsored his show. Admittedly, I could have made the suggestion in more fora. Still, a guy like me just can’t get the traction to make it so.

Another f’rinstance. There’s going to be a showdown about executive privilege next week. Personally, I hope it is about Tillman because I think that story will resonate the most with the most people. Maybe it will be about Harriet, or maybe about Gonzo, or, most likely, about all three. Wouldn’t it be loverly if the leftwing blogosphere had a co-ordinated response to that?

BigMitch @ 145

lolo @ 142

Sorry I should have clarified. The book is, The Rise of the Blogosphere. Discussion with Author Aaron Barlow moderated by Pachacutec

Should be interesting. I’ve been thinking a lot lately that the blogosphere will come into its own when it becomes a more reliable vehicle for mass action.

For instance: Bill Oreilly put a pretty hard hit on YK07 and I suggested we write to Applebees which sponsored his show. Admittedly, I could have made the suggestion in more fora. Still, a guy like me just can’t get the traction to make it so.

Another f’rinstance. There’s going to be a showdown about executive privilege next week. Personally, I hope it is about Tillman because I think that story will resonate the most with the most people. Maybe it will be about Harriet, or maybe about Gonzo, or, most likely, about all three. Wouldn’t it be loverly if the leftwing blogosphere had a co-ordinated response to that?

mitch, at this point i don’t care what it is about – i am sick and tired of waiting for the tipping point and a showdown.

i sure hope you are right that it happens this week.

There’s a whole lot of shit flying around a whole lot of fans. Somethings gotta give.

I could give you a long list of tipping points that I predicted over the last few years, including Cheney shooting an old man in the face, signing statements, FISA, etc. So, I am like the economists, of whom it is said, “They have predicte 9 of the last 3 recessions.”

BigMitch @ 145

Personally, I hope it is about Tillman because I think that story will resonate the most with the most people. Maybe it will be about Harriet, or maybe about Gonzo, or, most likely, about all three. Wouldn’t it be loverly if the leftwing blogosphere had a co-ordinate response to that?

The Tillman story is a grotesque tragedy, and the United States should profoundly offended by. If the Congress chooses to make it ‘wide’, I will be both forever grateful and deeply disappointed. Grateful that, finally, the Democrats have made a move on ChimpCo. And deeply disappointed that we ever let the Republic so far out on their leash.
Loose the hounds.

Mitch, I think it’s far more than the left wing blogosphere if the dems can get the message out. It’s about having a unified message on the MSM and not agreeing to be on tv if they don’t have equal time to speak.

It has been eight days since Waxman announced that the White House was frustrating his investigation with a claim of Exec. Priv.

Before my blood pressure goes off the scale, I am going to say this once, as calmly as I can.

There has been nary a peep in the Trad. Media about this. Keith Olbermann is the exception that proves the rule. And it is FUC&ING OUTRAGEOUS.

It is about America standing up and saying no more in a voice that can not be ignored. Congress will act only if we force them to. Look at what we have accomplished already – but there is still more to do before our country is safe from the theocons running the place now.

Loo Hoo. @ 149

Mitch, I think it’s far more than the left wing blogosphere if the dems can get the message out. It’s about having a unified message on the MSM and not agreeing to be on tv if they don’t have equal time to speak.

I’m a little tired of Dems ending up looking like fools because they get matched up with fact-free liars (see Ole 60 grit), and they are unprepared to call bullshit. Boy Scout motto – Be Prepared.

Good evening to everyone.

nite big mitch

That should have read “It is about Americans…. sorry for my typo.

mitch, you leaving?

before ya leave, mitch, let me say, in the immortal words of Gilly

fuck the fucking yankees

g’nite Mitch :)

Someone must be getting moderated because the quotes don’t match the original post numbers.

Loo Hoo, The Dems should be more assertive about using access to them to marginalize Fox, and demand fairness on the other networks. I agree with you on that. But my comment was about what the blogosphere should be doing. I won’t be at YK07, but I hope this is the direction that it goes in.

TPM is a leader in this, especially with Veracifier. They are trying to get as many people as they can to video candidates to catch any future macaca moments.

But FDL is the place I like to hang. :-)

obviously I typed 157 before I read 156.

g’nite Suz

:-) back at ya!

oh good, you haven’t left yet, mitch :)

g’nite mitch :)

I have a racquetball game in the morning, so I am trying to skip my usual sleep meds routine as an experiment. Will I be able to fall asleep?

Not unless I get the hell out of here.

newtonusr @ 152

Loo Hoo. @ 149

Mitch, I think it’s far more than the left wing blogosphere if the dems can get the message out. It’s about having a unified message on the MSM and not agreeing to be on tv if they don’t have equal time to speak.

I’m a little tired of Dems ending up looking like fools because they get matched up with fact-free liars (see Ole 60 grit), and they are unprepared to call bullshit. Boy Scout motto – Be Prepared.

I don’t understand. I’m saying the dems need to set the rules and not engage in fights with wingnuts. They should have debates with responsible republicans (if they are anywhere to be found) and simply say that they want the volume to be turned down. No more fighting and trying to talk over each other. Sad that Webb had to win the debate last Sunday by out-shouting Graham. The dems should set the rules for civil discourse. They are in a position to do so, and America will be delighted to hear it.

LooHoo, the problem is the rethugs will not agree to that.

I’m really not all that concerned about being nice to a famous person on the day they die. Unlike me, they’re going to get many, many column inches in papers of record, and an airbrushed bio played on CNN Headline News every half-hour. Meanwhile, any comments I might have will show up a comment #14x on an overnight thread on a blog.

BigMitch @ 66

I only watched PTL club once. On that episode she announced that she had given Jim Bakker a pair of matched giraffes for his birthday. The audience cheered wildly.

I spent a lot of time in the early `80s watching the religious shills on television, first, they were (and are) fascinating to watch as con men working a crowd, and second, because I’d encountered some of the television faithful at an evangelical college I’d worked at for a couple of years.

One of the things I remember being said by Jim Bakker at the time when his Heritage Village excesses were becoming not only obvious, but way beyond any sense of propriety, was, “Tammy and I were just poor kids growing up in Muskegon, Michigan, and we just wanted to live decently and have a few of things everyone else had,” this being said while Bakker was driving a vintage Rolls-Royce on his private drive toward their mansion.

It was way over the top, but it played to everyone watching in the ways that all TV preachers do these days: if God luvs ya, he’ll make you materially fulfilled and happy. Tammy Faye pretty much went along with that notion, so she wasn’t just a fixture on the show–she bought into that thinking, too–was an active participant in that moral fraud.

But, somewhere along the line, after things came crashing down on her, I think she got the real message. She stood up for people her peers were castigating and vilifying. There was, I think, some genuine belief in grace absent the trappings she earlier believed proved one’s state of grace.

Okay by me if she figured that out, even if it was late in life.

montag!

hey montag.. how ya been

Suzanne @ 168

hey montag.. how ya been

Been off in Michigan for a couple of weeks, marrying off my only daughter. :)

It was a good time, and I have great hopes for her and her new husband.

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

She was evil incarnate.
She helped STEAL money from followers.
She supported the organisaton.
She helped further insane bigoted, anti American and pure Christian Fundie issues.
She was a racist, and supported racism.

She was evil, incarnate.

Good riddance.

Harumph.

Suzanne @ 164

LooHoo, the problem is the rethugs will not agree to that.

Totally agreed. Let them scream and act like jerks with each other. If you go back a long old way, you’ll see that I was one of the first to say that dems should not go on FOX. They should continue to ignore them, and I think, set rules for going on CNN and MSNBC, ABC and any others.

Loo Hoo. @ 15

lolo @ 14

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

No big news that I’m aware of. Here’s an interesting take from a former jihadist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1

Pure propoganda . . . start to finish. IMHO, of course . . .

I’m just not sure, WHO’S propoganda it IS!

But it smells . . . . .

It is a shame that Tammy Faye couldn’t have had medicinal marijuana all those cancer years. She said she was 74 pounds, because she couldn’t eat. I have a friend who is also terminal, and also has no appetite, probably due to all the morphine he takes every day. But with marijuana, he can eat. Too bad he lives in a backwards state where he can rarely get marijuana.

montag @ 169

Suzanne @ 168

hey montag.. how ya been

Been off in Michigan for a couple of weeks, marrying off my only daughter. :)

It was a good time, and I have great hopes for her and her new husband.

congrats – my first daughter recently became engaged. a time of joy to be certain.

BigMitch @ 145

lolo @ 142

Sorry I should have clarified. The book is, The Rise of the Blogosphere. Discussion with Author Aaron Barlow moderated by Pachacutec

Should be interesting. I’ve been thinking a lot lately that the blogosphere will come into its own when it becomes a more reliable vehicle for mass action.

For instance: Bill Oreilly put a pretty hard hit on YK07 and I suggested we write to Applebees which sponsored his show. Admittedly, I could have made the suggestion in more fora. Still, a guy like me just can’t get the traction to make it so.

Here’s an edge on the Applebee’s thing. You have to remind them that they are “Applebee’s International” and that boycotts and protests at their overseas franchises about their sponsoring O’Reillys xenophobic rants would NOT be good for business in places like Mexico, the Muslim World, South America, etc.

http://www.applebees.com/Internationa…..tions.aspx

And that their support of O’Reilly is at odds with their own Diversity and Domestic Partners policies!

http://www.applebees.com/WorkDiversity.aspx

Loo Hoo. @ 170

Suzanne @ 164

LooHoo, the problem is the rethugs will not agree to that.

Totally agreed. Let them scream and act like jerks with each other. If you go back a long old way, you’ll see that I was one of the first to say that dems should not go on FOX. They should continue to ignore them, and I think, set rules for going on CNN and MSNBC, ABC and any others.

Then the rethugs get all the air time and the dems will be called “do nothings” for not standing up for themselves.

I agree, the way the system is set up now is bad and needs to be changed. I am hoping the overwhelming voice of the people saying no more will change it. I don’t watch any network news program other than KO and I made dayam sure the others know it and know they why. I resume watching their programs when they change.

Suzanne @ 31

cobalt90 @ 26

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

colbolt90, can we please have the good manners to not insult someone who just died until after the funeral?

after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.

Suzanne, you’ve GOT to be kiddin!!

These people are evil . . . your thought about MANNERS is WAY off topic as to who they were, and what they did, to so many others.

They are, and were, evil. No grace periods. None. They were NOT graceful. Not to the masses. To say otherwise, even in their passing, is to let them off the hook for the evil they stand for.

Harumph.

montag @ 169

Suzanne @ 168

hey montag.. how ya been

Been off in Michigan for a couple of weeks, marrying off my only daughter. :)

It was a good time, and I have great hopes for her and her new husband.

Congratulations! A life changer, for sure.

Loo Hoo. @ 170

Suzanne @ 164

LooHoo, the problem is the rethugs will not agree to that.

Totally agreed. Let them scream and act like jerks with each other. If you go back a long old way, you’ll see that I was one of the first to say that dems should not go on FOX. They should continue to ignore them, and I think, set rules for going on CNN and MSNBC, ABC and any others.

Ther are some stories that i want out there. Only way to do it is press. Only way to do that is to get invited on Tweety, Wolfie, etc.
If Dems came with facts and refused to accept the premise of the lies (best example I can think of was Bubba with Chris Wallace), call bullshit, pound the same message, we win. We win.
Can’t win if you don’t play IMO.

Suzanne @ 171

congrats – my first daughter recently became engaged. a time of joy to be certain.

Hopefully, with a bit less uncertainty than I experienced. :) I didn’t meet the groom until two days before the wedding (my daughter had somehow failed to even mention his last name in telling me about him–I ended up getting it from a reverse search on the phone number where they were staying). Turns out he’s quite progressive, teaches history, so we had lots to talk about. Turns out they’ve known each other since they were twelve years old….

Think it will work out okay.

Loo Hoo. @ 174

Congratulations! A life changer, for sure.

Umm, yeah. That’s fer sure. :)

She’s my only kid, so it has greater significance, I think.

Suz, I’m suggesting that if the dems simply say “I’ll appear on your show if I have equal time and if you do not allow anyone to behave disrespectfully. If you allow people to assert certain “facts”, I need equal time to rebut them.”

Simple. Very easy.

It is a big change but a good one, montag. Next, grandbabies :)

Loo Hoo. @ 177

Suz, I’m suggesting that if the dems simply say “I’ll appear on your show if I have equal time and if you do not allow anyone to behave disrespectfully. If you allow people to assert certain “facts”, I need equal time to rebut them.”

Simple. Very easy.

The news is not about the news – it is about ratings and share of market. Controversy brings ratings and ups the market share which encourages more controversy and higher ratings.

I don’t know if that is an obstacle that can be overcome.

larue – I don’t like what happened to victims of the ‘ministry’ either. But Tammy’s body is still cooling as we speak. She has family, like all of us, and their grief is both private and public in ways us ‘ordinary folks’ will never know.

There is a time and a place, and this may be the place, but this isn’t the time. And if you read TSF earlier, possible the most progressive voice here, you may find some perspective.

montag @ 176

Loo Hoo. @ 174

Congratulations! A life changer, for sure.

Umm, yeah. That’s fer sure. :)

She’s my only kid, so it has greater significance, I think.

So cool. It will work out! Only daughter, a real life mark.

Suzanne @ 179

It is a big change but a good one, montag. Next, grandbabies :)

Very possibly. I think that was one of the reasons she split up with the last guy she was with–he just wasn’t interested in family. But, that’s not up to me. :) But, it did occur to me that it was good that he had a teaching job with reasonably good insurance.

It did hit me, though, that my daughter and her new husband are going to be the people who get to straighten out the messes–they’re both pretty savvy and politically aware–and I told them the first time I saw them together that when they were fifty years old, the country and world was going to be much different, but that didn’t necessarily mean worse. If they are smart and their generation prevails, they’ll be the ones pulling our collective ass out of a sling.

Loo Hoo. @ 182

So cool. It will work out! Only daughter, a real life mark.

Maybe more significant in that her younger sister died twenty years ago. Last best hope, etc.

i am so sorry, montag. i did not know that.

Suzanne @ 185

i am so sorry, montag. i did not know that.

Something I keep to myself, mostly, except, perhaps, at times like the wedding of my remaining child. :) I’ve never tried to place any burdens on her in that regard, but, as I get older, such events have more significance than I thought they might in earlier times. :)

montag @ 183

Loo Hoo. @ 182

So cool. It will work out! Only daughter, a real life mark.

Maybe more significant in that her younger sister died twenty years ago. Last best hope, etc.

So very sorry. I have/had a sister who died 30 years ago in a car accident. Can’t begin to imagine losing a child.

Loo Hoo. @ 187

So very sorry. I have/had a sister who died 30 years ago in a car accident. Can’t begin to imagine losing a child.

It hurts for a long while (in my case, bitterly, for about ten years), but, eventually, one accepts reality or goes quietly mad.

Right now, I’m just happy for my kid. That’s as it should be. :)

montag @ 187

Loo Hoo. @ 187

So very sorry. I have/had a sister who died 30 years ago in a car accident. Can’t begin to imagine losing a child.

It hurts for a long while (in my case, bitterly, for about ten years), but, eventually, one accepts reality or goes quietly mad.

Right now, I’m just happy for my kid. That’s as it should be. :)

To new beginnings, montag, and happiness.

nite.

oh double crap – i was going to leave early tonight because i have to get up at the unheardof (at least to me) hour of 9am in order to take token, the cutest dog in the world, into town for the low cost vaccination clinic. (grumble grumble about why do they schedule these things so early for)

g’nite all and see ya tomorrow nite, same bat time, same bat channel.

Suzanne @ 189

To new beginnings, montag, and happiness.

Yup, I see those two together and think, that’s the real future–not the one that the idiots in DC have imagined for us–but, rather, the real one, and that’s a lift for me. They’re both more pragmatic and sensible than I was at their age, and that’s a good sign. That’s why I think good things will come of their being together.

That offers me some hope that, twenty years from now, we all won’t be in sackcloth and smeared with ashes, picking through T. Boone Pickens’ trash for scraps…. :)

Gosh I checked my copy of Miss Manners and I just can’t find the chapter about this.

When the “proper” amount of time has elapsed after TFB’s passing, let us know.

Then and only then, please post a thread whereupon it would then be appropriate to express the full 360deg of opinions on the full 360deg of a person’s life.

Until then, by all means, let’s continue to prop up one version of dysfunctional need for control, while railing against another.

TribeScribe @ 197

Gosh I checked my copy of Miss Manners and I just can’t find the chapter about this.

When the “proper” amount of time has elapsed after TFB’s passing, let us know.

Then and only then, please post a thread whereupon it would then be appropriate to express the full 360deg of opinions on the full 360deg of a person’s life.

Until then, by all means, let’s continue to prop up one version of dysfunctional need for control, while railing against another.

maybe with some of that PTL-pass-the-plate
money we could “buy a good man some new legs”

Tribe –

Say what you want NOW. It’s not like TF’s family is gonna be HERE. (Or can even read.)

I just don’t GET it — the Larry King love-in. Larry is Jewish. His wife is Mormon. And Tammy Faye said (the day before her death) that JESUS would take her to heaven, blah blah blah.

This country has gone mad!

Suzanne says:

“The news is not about the news – it is about ratings and share of market. Controversy brings ratings and ups the market share which encourages more controversy and higher ratings.

I don’t know if that is an obstacle that can be overcome.”
*****************

Then why are low-rated shows (Tucker Carlson comes to mind) still on the air? No, if it was about ratings, half the shows on teevee “news” would be gone.

Suzanne @ 195

oh double crap – i was going to leave early tonight because i have to get up at the unheardof (at least to me) hour of 9am in order to take token, the cutest dog in the world, into town for the low cost vaccination clinic. (grumble grumble about why do they schedule these things so early for)

g’nite all and see ya tomorrow nite, same bat time, same bat channel.

As someone who is the doctor at such a clinic, and spending a heck of a lot of time on the road for that clinic: have you ever heard the phrase “good, cheap, convenient – choose two!” I’m good, the clinic’s cheap …

Good morning!

Good morning, pups. The NYT has Ms. MoDo and Frank Rich. Ms. MoDo says there’s trouble in Genderville, and Mr. Rich pokes around in the Vitter mess and finds, what a surprise, great lashings of hypocrisy.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are ready, as are the waffles. Too bad about Tammy Faye — Maybelline must be swathed in black crepe today.

Mornin’ all!

PSA – Georgia processor expands meat recall

A Georgia meat processor on Saturday expanded its recall of canned meat products that may be connected to a botulism outbreak.

Castleberry’s Food Co. of Augusta recalled more than 80 types of canned chili, beef stew, corned beef hash and other meat products in addition to the 10 brands it had recalled Thursday…

The recall also includes four varieties of Natural Balance dog food.

Expanded Voluntary Product Recall Information – 7/21/07

Marion in Savannah @ 203

Good morning, pups. The NYT has Ms. MoDo and Frank Rich. Ms. MoDo says there’s trouble in Genderville, and Mr. Rich pokes around in the Vitter mess and finds, what a surprise, great lashings of hypocrisy.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are ready, as are the waffles. Too bad about Tammy Faye — Maybelline must be swathed in black crepe today.

Woke up at four – back to sleep at seven, aroma of coffee got me up for good now. Thanks, Marion!

Tammy Faye had her makeup tattoo’ed. I have a feeling that the cosmetic companies aren’t terribly fond of someone who used their products with the opposite intended effects. War paint has been used to describe make-up. I think that’s pretty apt. ;^}

Talking Head thread upstairs…

Televangelism makes me cringe,but I ended up really liking Tammy Faye. And she did atone for the PTL mess. She talked alot with gay teens who had families that rejected them. She told them she loved them as they were,how God made them. Her son has a ministry that actually seems to be founded on principles like love,peace,acceptance and joy. When Tammy was on that goofy show,The Surreal Life,she even made friends with Ron Jeremy,though she didn’t like what he does for a living and rejected that.

People screw up,they lie,they steal,they cheat. Tammy could have gone on and kept doing that,she didn’t,she quietly changed,from within and I think she was sincere,something you don’t see out of many of those flashy folks who claim Jesus as only belonging to them.

Well, I think she ended up living up to God’s standards, and its sad to see her go… But DAMN, she looks like hell! Poor woman!

Why is this here? Is FDL a tabloid celebrity site?
Too bad she died. Too bad the world would have been a better place without her and her husband. Lousy legacy.
Now can we get back to impeaching the Bush administration?

Melissa at 209, she died not 2 days later than the interview which might explain why she does not look well. This person to whom looks were so important put on the makeup and the charm and put herself out there to let the whole world see what “it” looks like. we dont see approaching death very often in our society. I think she felt she could do one last thing, perhaps to teach, perhaps to atone.

Listen…she was a crook right along with her husband. They ripped off countless people, many of them senior citizens, so that they could live a life of luxury.

Cufford
Fresno, CA

cobalt90 @ 26

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?

after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.

Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.

Jesus loves the preview button, dear.

Also? You’re wrong, and rude, both in the way you’re handling your question and your behavior towards a fellow community member who’s behaving significantly better than you are.

cobalt90 @ 26

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

Hopefully, we’ll all be off the hook, because God forgives us.

TribeScribe @ 197

Gosh I checked my copy of Miss Manners and I just can’t find the chapter about this.

When the “proper” amount of time has elapsed after TFB’s passing, let us know.

Then and only then, please post a thread whereupon it would then be appropriate to express the full 360deg of opinions on the full 360deg of a person’s life.

Until then, by all means, let’s continue to prop up one version of dysfunctional need for control, while railing against another.

Well, said!! Thank you.

Nanz @ 211

Melissa at 209, she died not 2 days later than the interview which might explain why she does not look well. This person to whom looks were so important put on the makeup and the charm and put herself out there to let the whole world see what “it” looks like. we dont see approaching death very often in our society. I think she felt she could do one last thing, perhaps to teach, perhaps to atone.

Exactly. I’m sure by this last public appearance showing her acceptance of death, she gave a lot of comfort to people who are dying and their families or have family members that have recenlty died. Maybe not to everyone, but to some.

I’m not interested in going into the whole thang that PTL was… except to say that people gave that money freely, as far as I know and, thankfully, I don’t know the details. It wasn’t like taxes something. ’nuff said.

Cobalt90 I think she did apologize at some point. And for sure after the hammer came down on them, and they lost everything, I think it made them and alot of other people understand money can’t buy what they were seeking. ’nuff said.

Mainly I want to say I was taken aback at first on her appearance on LKL. But then I think how showing that one can die with dignity on to a teevee audience was the point of that. Rather than languishing in a hospital room, she choose hospice. If we get anything from her it should be to donate to your local hospice. Death is a part of life and they understand that and respect that part of life and honor humans with dignity through that part of life. In addition to the AIDS topic she helped bring into the public discourse, I think her LKL appearance helps bring the important role hospice care plays in bringing dignity and compassion to the end of life forward for discussion.

Donate to hospice care.

anangryoldbroad @ 208

Televangelism makes me cringe,but I ended up really liking Tammy Faye. And she did atone for the PTL mess. She talked alot with gay teens who had families that rejected them. She told them she loved them as they were,how God made them. Her son has a ministry that actually seems to be founded on principles like love,peace,acceptance and joy. When Tammy was on that goofy show,The Surreal Life,she even made friends with Ron Jeremy,though she didn’t like what he does for a living and rejected that.

People screw up,they lie,they steal,they cheat. Tammy could have gone on and kept doing that,she didn’t,she quietly changed,from within and I think she was sincere,something you don’t see out of many of those flashy folks who claim Jesus as only belonging to them.

I agree. I do believe she was sincere.

cobalt90 @ 98

BigMitch @ 92

But it is a slippery slope to say she was conned, if she was promised eternal salvation, and that she didn’t get it.

Glad you feel that way. Send me all your money and you’ll be saved.

Faith breeds gullibility.

julia @ 213

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?
Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.

Jesus loves the preview button, dear.

Also? You’re wrong, and rude, both in the way you’re handling your question and your behavior towards a fellow community member who’s behaving significantly better than you are.

Wow. You are *so* nice, dear. I wouldn’t dare think for a moment that you were being patronizing, dear. (You must not get much of a chance to do that in real life, I suppose…dear.)

Of course, in the process of so many people being “nice”, I still have yet to hear a satisfying answer to my question aside from sparse claims that she had “atoned” and smug admonishments for violating the fragile surface tension holding together the “Air of Superiority” so loved by the FDL “Community”.

I’m glad to hear she “turned her life around” and such. I’m glad to hear she was nice to gay people with Aids. They certainly deserve it. I’m so glad she was nice to a has-been porn star…even though she still managed to pass judgment on him, if only tangentially.

How much work did she do to raise funds to re-pay those followers she helped to con out of their money?

None.

It’s funny, because when a republican politician gets caught bilking the public and claims that merely saying “I’m sorry”, “I take responsibility” or “God has forgiven me” is all he needs to do in order to claim full atonement, people on boards like this one go NUTS.

Tammy Faye, however, is somehow re-classified from “crook” to “American Original”.

Hypocrisy comes in more than one flavor I guess.

The fact is, to the end, she (AND her son) STILL made a living out of peddling the wares of her imaginary friends god and Jesus.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not happy that the woman died. What is causing me to retch is that this woman, who was still essentially a crook, has been placed on a pedestal like some kitschy pop-culture circus clown and fawned over as if she was some kind of….martyr. It’s sad.

Seriously, I want to like Liberals. I really do. I would consider myself “on their side”. They have the best intentions and when they overcome their idealism they can accomplish great things….but things like this they make it so hard for me to cheer for them.

Cobalt90.. I hear where you’re coming from. I guess my view on the TFK con job is this. Pretty much when people send money, of their own free will, to any religious nutjobs, well they really aren’t victims except of their own flawed thinking.

PTL and neither of the Bakkers were elected to anything. Did they break the law? Sure they did. How’s about everybody just not send money to such obvious con jobs, religious or otherwise. How’s about people take responsibility for their own flawed thinking. There. No more victims. :-)

Myrtle June @ 222

Pretty much when people send money, of their own free will, to any religious nutjobs, well they really aren’t victims except of their own flawed thinking.)

This may be the case for you and I. But we weren’t the people they were preying on.

Certain elderly relatives of mine wound up giving away their life savings to Tammy and her husband. Then, even after other family members bailed them out…they gave MORE. It was like an addiction. Instead of Crack it was jesus. They had to be monitored to make sure they didn’t sneak any money out in the mail.

Being elderly and lacking/having lost certain intellectual processes, they were especially vulnerable to the sh*t these two were shoveling.

Rational people making bad decisions and living with the consequences is one thing (Fool me twice, shame on me.)

People who don’t know better being victimized by charlatans is totally different. (Fool my grandmother, prepare to dodge shotgun rounds.)

It’s amazing me how many people are glossing over all of this just because the woman was idolized by drag queens.

How’s about people take responsibility for their own flawed thinking. There. No more victims. :-)

A person decides to walk down a dark alley and gets brutally mugged. According to you, because they made a “flawed decision” they are not to be considered a victim.

I’m sorry, that just doesn’t add up.

[RBG Note; please avoid even veiled threats of violence or the mods will delete your comments. And, while I’m at it, let’s be very careful about how we talk about drag queens.

Cobalt90. I didn’t know she was idolized by anyone actually. I think she accepted people for being who they are after her fall. Ultimately, being exactly who you are, is an admirable quality in any person. Its what we’re on this planet for.

Do I think they preyed upon vulnerable people. Yes, I do. Just like I think the current pink hair lady and that entire network crew prey upon vulnerable lonely, usually elderly, people. It is a cult. However, they did still send it of their own free will. They were taken advantage of to be sure. That’s done. It can’t be undone. Its personal for you and most unfortunate. I’m sorry you had to have that experience with your family. I’m not sure what return on their money they expected. Even if the Bakkers hadn’t done anything illegal, your family’s money would be just as gone.

I’m not in anyway defending anything about what they did. She changed her life. That’s a good example. That’s all I got for her.

As far as cons…. they’re all around us these days. I can’t even get through the grocery checkout without being solicited for money for one thing or another. All I can say is I’m glad you’re telling your story here because it might alert others’ families to re-evaluate what they’re donating to….. and why before the consequences become destructive. Thanks for that. :-)

hate to repeat myself, but you seem to think that most of us WANTED what you country is going through….that that seems to bring you comfort in thinking that……IT IS WRONG………we don’t, we didn’t, and we don’t want what is being wrought unto your country……

what can we do to help you? that is what we want to know, why we want a dialogue with you, what can we do to help it?????????

that is what we want to know. no, we didn’t wage the war against your country, few people in power did that, the rest of us want to help to get you out of it………so check the attitude about america, we didn’t wage the war, the few in power did, the rest of us want to help, how can we? red crescent? we already are, any other means we can help with????????

i ‘get’ your rage, but we are trying to fight what is going on, and you maybe need to see that…….