hey teddy!

zed?

i hit a homerun!

it’s just a shout away…Teddy!

Thank you teddy. tammy faye, may she find peace at last.

nice

burnspbesq @ 2

zed?

Nope. Close only counts in horseshoes and back seats of cars in secluded locations.

saw her interview.
she seemed honestly decent.
now blessed that she is beyond pain of this world.

RIP, Tammy.

i got to quit while i’m ahead.
while i’m a zed.
go to bed!

(”feed your head.”)

Hello!~

thanks, again, teddy

Peace at last for Tammy Faye.

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

lolo @ 14

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

No big news that I’m aware of. Here’s an interesting take from a former jihadist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1

not a thing, lolo

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

Hi, everyone. Thanks for this post, Teddy. I wish her peace.

WaPo Page One profile of an “influential” anti-immigrant anti-gay hatespeaker/blogger. They are really scared of the bloggers and will do anything to de-legitimize us in the eyes of those who don’t know what the blogosphere is all about. This guy is factfree and hatefilled.

Illegal immigrant ice cream vendors might be spreading leprosy in Manassas. Prince William County has been infiltrated by “unassimilated marxist radicals.” Manassas Park police covered up the predations of five Hispanic men who gang-raped a woman in the street in June.

These claims, among others, have been made in recent months by Greg Letiecq, whose popular blog, Black Velvet Bruce Li, offers “Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics” — often making up in passion what it lacks in proof.

LooHoo, that is a very interesting op-ed. I know I went into it thinking that it was something that the boosh administration planted in the wapoo but i ended the article with a sense that it really was a genuine and heartfelt article written by someone who has struggled with the issues.

RIP Tammy Fay
the goddess only made one of her

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it - go ahead and jump in

I came out of the same denomination the Bakkers did. I admired Tammy Faye for having the grace and the courage to admit her mistakes, and to make amends.

She will be missed.
-S

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

Suzanne @ 22

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it - go ahead and jump in

splish! splash!

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

TSF — Thanks for posting this about Tammy Faye. Despite the troubles during her first marriage, I admired how she continued to embrace life….and those with different lifestyles from her own.

OT I obviously can’t sleep here on the east coast. Have ESPN2 on as background noise. There’s one of those high end car auction shows on. Who do I spot in the crowd of bidders standing there looking like an absolute and total doofus?

DENNY HASTERT

Maybe he’s spending some of that money that’s alledgely from Turkey?

Make that ‘SHE and her sleazeball husband”.

Loo Hoo. @ 15

lolo @ 14

Did I miss anything I left to watch Bill Maher.

No big news that I’m aware of. Here’s an interesting take from a former jihadist.
What a strange article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....inionsbox1

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

cobalt90 @ 26

So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?

Or was she off the hook because “god forgave her”?

colbolt90, can we please have the good manners to not insult someone who just died until after the funeral?

after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.

How was Bill Maher’s show tonite?

Suzanne @ 22

Elliott @ 17

HI
I can’t sleep, I’m floppin’ around like flounder. I thought a quick swim with you would be relaxing

don’t carp on it - go ahead and jump in

Take a deep breath!

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

Elliott @ 30

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

Thanks, Elliott - I moderated over 1600 comments that night. The Lake was hopping!

Bill Maher was excellent this evening.

It’s amazing when a full hour of stand up comedy allows only enough time to cover the surface of a few short months of the Bush Administration and requires absolutely nothing but facts and pregnant pauses for full comedic effect.

Suzanne @ 35

Elliott @ 30

Suzanne, you were absolutely fabulous that fulliblustery night, earlier in the week.
A Gold Medal on a blue velvet ribbon is in order.
Hey! Maybe you could call it the Order of the Lake.

Thanks, Elliott - I moderated over 1600 comments that night. The Lake was hopping!

you and the whole crew made it hum so fun

<a href=”#comment-839342″ rel=”nofollow”><em>Suzanne @ 31</em></a>
<blockquote><a href=”#comment-839337″ rel=”nofollow”><em>cobalt90 @ 26</em></a>
<blockquote>So..did she ever apologize for all that money her and her sleazeball husband conned out of their “congregation”?</blockquote>

<blockquote>colbolt90, can we please have the good manners to not insult someone who just died until after the funeral?</blockquote>

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?

<blockquote>after all, her family is grieving, just as the families of those killed in iraq are grieving.</blockquote>

Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.</blockquote>

Loo Hoo. @ 34

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

I agree. She looked so ill. Nobody deserves to be remembered that way.

Eureka Springs @ 36

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Mr. Springs

Eureka Springs @ 36

Bill Maher was excellent this evening.

It’s amazing when a full hour of stand up comedy allows only enough time to cover the surface of a few short months of the Bush Administration and requires absolutely nothing but facts and pregnant pauses for full comedic effect.

Glad to hear that - is the show rerun available online ala Jon and Colbert?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES! Leo?

Jane (nyc) @ 27

TSF — Thanks for posting this about Tammy Faye. Despite the troubles during her first marriage, I admired how she continued to embrace life….and those with different lifestyles from her own.

OT I obviously can’t sleep here on the east coast. Have ESPN2 on as background noise. There’s one of those high end car auction shows on. Who do I spot in the crowd of bidders standing there looking like an absolute and total doofus?

DENNY HASTERT

Maybe he’s spending some of that money that’s alledgely from Turkey?

HA! when I read the first few line of your post I thought I would tell you to use my trick. Cspan! You never know what they are going to slip in the dead of night. But there was Denny boy at the races and you mentioning the money from Turkey that know one but Lukery mentions . Hey Jane you get around *g*

newspaperbrat @ 32

How was Bill Maher’s show tonite?

It was about a year too late. Funny as usual.

Thanks Elliott.. I have a few more hours til its official..a few more hours of denial..)

NPB, Don’t know about the show online.. I watched it on the tele this evening.

Loo Hoo. @ 34

TeddySanFran @ 24

“What do you think people will remember you for?”

“My eyelashes.”

I wish she had not gone on LKL.

Well, Larry said she reached out to him, and he could not refuse her. Presumably, she wanted another chance to speak her piece to people. It was hard to watch; we were quite teary-eyed at chez TSF that nite.

cobalt90 @ 38

Suzanne @ 31

cobalt90 @ 26

I’m just asking a question. Did she or didn’t she?

Don’t you dare….don’t you DARE even group those two together you idiot.

first of all, we do not insult other commenters here at the lake.

second, how can we condemn fred phelps for intruding on the grief of families of soldiers if we allow people to do similar here when someone whose politics or lifestyle is not approved of dies.

how is that different?

TRex, did you ask this question?

Athens, Ga.: Can you give other instances in which Bush and/or Cheney have overreached on claims of executive privilege?

Mark J. Rozell: I am tempted to make a shameless plug for my book, “Executive Privilege.” Actually, I just did.

Seriously, yes the administration has made other claims of EP, or have in some instances tried to expand the scope of that power through an executive order. One example was the claim of EP to try to conceal some old Department of Justice documents from a congressional committee doing an investigation of alleged corruption in the FBI back in the 1970s. You can look up the details — and it is indeed in my book — but the short answer here is that the administration tried to claim that EP protects all internal deliberations within the Department of Justice, even in cases of long-ago closed investigations in that department. I have argued that EP certainly does extend to cases of ongoing investigations in the DOJ, but the presumption of secrecy recedes when the investigations have closed. Most experts who testified at the time also believed that Bush overreached in that case.

Executive privilege/WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....iscussions

cobalt90

Did you say something? I couldn’t hear you.

Eureka Springs @ 44

Thanks Elliott.. I have a few more hours til its official..a few more hours of denial..)

…

time will not be denied

LooHoo, stay out of this. This is between the Moderator of the Lake(me) and a commenter that is not you.

ES, Happy Birthday.;)
Nite to all.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES!

YES, YES!

colbolt, i am not going to argue this with you.

if you do not have the good manners to wait until after the funeral, and continue to insult commentors here, you will be banned. is that clear enough?

You have been asked nicely.

You insulted me and argued it.

I explained further.

You continued to insult and argue.

now that it is after midnight here, Happy Birthday, ES!

Hello?

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:

We expect (we are told/we learn/we know) that Soc*al*sm is when the private sector is owned by the Government.
But it goes unmentioned that this implies that Fascism is when the private sector owns the Government.

that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

Hippo birdie Mr Springs

Loo Hoo. @ 55

Hello?

Hi, Loo Hoo.

Nothin’ like an attempted flamewar to shut down a thread, eh?

Whassup? Did Actin-preznit-dick do anything rash during his 2.5 hrs as Absolute Dictator?
Did the world as we know it end while I was at a small county fairgrounds enjoying Horse Around Days?

Dang. 30 hours away from the Lake and I feel like I’ve been livin’ in a cave…

Diva

Sorry for being short with you earlier, LooHoo. It was uncalled for for me to be that harsh.

Mr. Springs, I am celebrating your existence! Happy Birthday!

Tammy Faye and the Gays

“Whoever thought that a televangelist would become a gay icon?” asks renowned New York City drag queen Lady Bunny. “But somehow it happened.” At a recent Tammy Faye look-alike contest held at a gay nightclub in Washington, D.C., Lady Bunny introduced the real Tammy Faye to a raucous crowd. And even at this over-the-top contest, surrounded by men in falsies and pancake makeup, Tammy Faye Messner is impossible to upstage.

Messner’s smooth stage style comes from 35 years of experience on live television, singing and sermonizing to a global audience of born-again Christians. But her unlikely rise in popularity within the gay community got a huge boost a couple of years ago from a largely uncritical documentary about her life’s saga, The Eyes of Tammy Faye.

Wow, that’s Late Nite FDL for ya. Tammy Faye and Lady Bunny.

Loo Hoo. @ 52

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ES!

YES, YES!

Many happy, happy returns, ES. Even if it is to a 2nd- or 3rd- or 10th- annual 21st BD!

Diva

“The gay people” came to help Tammy? I missed that news. What’s that all about ?

btw, some close family friends of mine had Rev. Bob Tilton as a next door neighbor when I was growing up - yeeouch -not to be confused with Rev. “Bob” of the Church of the Subgenius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C....._SubGenius

edit: just saw TSF @ 61. WoW.

ES where did you go?

Hi Diva. I’ve recovered. Sheriff was showing her badge and taking charge.

Fortunately Dick Cheney (just realized that’s DC) sat quietly while the polups (sp) were removed.

This is reposted from the previous thread. When I wrote it, I thought that I would be alone in having something nice to say about TFB. I am happy to see that I under-estimated the FireDogLake community.

I actually have some sympathy for Tammy Faye and not just on the occassion of her passing.

Here’s my take. First of all, I don’t judge other people’s religion, given the fact that my own believes in such crazy stuff as the Red Sea parting.

In her religion, as I understand it, they believe that a person in favor with God will be rewarded materially in this world. When she told her followers that she had an air-conditioned doghouse, they LOVED it. Who am I to judge?

Her wealth was seen as an afront to Christian ideals of humility and sacrifice for the least among us. But that was not her religion.

Then the government came down on her, which had the effect of destroying her marriage. How can one not feel for her in those circumstances?

She wore too much eye make-up — I’ll grant you that. But I am no fashionplate either, so, again, who am I to judge?

I only watched PTL club once. On that episode she announced that she had given Jim Bakker a pair of matched giraffes for his birthday. The audience cheered wildly.

Elliott @ 64

ES where did you go?

you aren’t bitter bitter about this, are you?

yellowdog jim @ 56

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:

We expect (we are told/we learn/we know) that Soc*al*sm is when the private sector is owned by the Government.
But it goes unmentioned that this implies that Fascism is when the private sector owns the Government.

that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

thanks, i was wondering.
now i am wondering …
soc*l*sm is a problem for …
… well maybe the NSA who is spying on us?

should i just try to be real quiet-like and uh, act natural now?
… (tip toeing quietly …)

Hugs, Suzanne. I guess I missed an earlier comment by a certain commenter on the periodic table.

The word that is bleeped by the filters has within it the boner pill that begins with a C.

yellowdog jim @ 68

yellowdog jim @ 56

off topic:

that special something about the venality of the cheneyBu$hCo regime has reminded me of something i read, but i cannot remember where, or when.
it went something like this:
that second part seems so bushie.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

thanks, i was wondering.
now i am wondering …
soc*l*sm is a problem for …
… well maybe the NSA who is spying on us?

should i just try to be real quiet-like and uh, act natural now?
… (tip toeing quietly …)

Find the word within the word…

WoW The Tazer worked!

Loo Hoo. @ 65

Hi Diva. I’ve recovered. Sheriff was showing her badge and taking charge.

Fortunately Dick Cheney (just realized that’s DC) sat quietly while the polups (sp) were removed.

Polyps. (yes, the Diva’s a total Science Nerd).

Glad you’ve recovered, Loo Hoo. Sheriff Suzanne was doing her job, under extreme provocation. I appreciate all the Lake Mods for keeping this place Firedog Lake instead of Flamewar Troll Lake. Often times when I follow a link from here and follow a comment thread at another blog, I find the sort of immature back n forth that I remember from the usenet alt. groups in the early to mid 1990s.

So, thanks, Suzanne, for all you do. You’re one heck of a lady.

Diva

ooops, Sorry, I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

thanks for the kind words and for understanding, loohoo.

yup, yellowdog, you had a word within a word.. the lurking mod fixed it when it was released…

Eureka Springs @ 74

ooops, Sorry I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

wow.

wise Asian sage, Hoo Noo.

lose a “so” and an “m”.
are all the brand name ED meds not allowed?

“”Yes”, yellowdog, “yes”.”

Hoo Noo?

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

funnydiva, i keep it all in perspective. as i tell myself, its not like someone is actually shooting at me. with that mindset, it is much easier to deal with problems that arise here.

the lake is a very special place and i just help keep it that way.

persiflage @ 78

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

the icing was seven minutes lomg

MMMM Chocolate.

Think I will have that first piece with coffee in the morning..)

Calling it a nite..

Be well you fabulous firedogs..)

persiflage @ 78

I baked you a cake!
It was chocolate,

—————————–
(Wiping chocolatey goodness from face) What? Oh sorry, ES, I thought you were hiding and it’s a sin to let chocolate cake go to waste. There’s some crumbs left here though.

OK, now im hungry, damnit… *pads off to the fridge*

Good Night

cobalt99 @ 78

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

Thank you. I am sorry your granny was conned out of her life savings and your family had to support her.

I thought it was against FDL policy to change one’s user name?

Jane, it is permitted if it is done openly. Is there someone you think is sock puppetting - which is not permitted? If so, please let me know at ten67x at gmail dot com.

Eureka Springs @ 74

ooops, Sorry, I popped over to read the WAPO article. Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

Where’s TexB? Guess I’ll have to bake one for you.

http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/cake173a.jpg

Suzanne @ 80

the lake is a very special place and i just help keep it that way.

Yes, it is. A very special place. I see true friendship and honest disagreement here every day. I think it works because of the diligence of the mods and the commitment of Firepups to the good of the community as a whole.

Here’s to you, pups: (((((((AWROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO))))))))

Diva

Suzanne @ 85

cobalt99 @ 78

You’re right. I apologize. That was uncalled for.

I recant and take a moment of silence to honor Tammy faye’s passing…and I’ll ignore all those elderly people who were conned out of their retirement savings. After all, it’s not like *they* were gay icons.

Thank you. I am sorry your granny was conned out of her life savings and your family had to support her.

How sweet.

Jane (nyc) @ 86

I thought it was against FDL policy to change one’s user name?

Typo.

There’s a lot I don’t understand about the particular rules of etiquette at FDL, so slap me down if I am out of line.

The comment quoted at #84 sounds to me like another slam at Tammy Faye.

I don’t know anything about the periodic table or C-99’s grandmother. But it is a slippery slope to say she was conned, if she was promised eternal salvation, and that she didn’t get it. See, my comment #66.

the icing was seven minutes lomg

——————————————-

And it was seven minutes of truly delicious!

the spelling police only patrol the front page posts and not the comments, cobalt90.

Loo Hoo. @ 88

Eureka Springs @ 74

Thanks for such wonderful thoughts and wishes..

Guess I need to bake a cake.

Where’s TexB? Guess I’ll have to bake one for you.

http://www.pinkcakebox.com/images/cake173a.jpg

Day-AM, Loo Hoo. For a cake like that (with chocolate raspberry goodness inside) I think I could actually be happy to begin yet another decade in my personal Opera.

Diva

Mitch, I choose to let that comment in because the commenter said she apologized. We shall see if that was in fact a true statement or not by the comments that follow.

Suzanne @ 94

the spelling police only patrol the front page posts and not the comments, cobalt90.

Ooops! (see me @ 73).
Forgot to take off my editor hat and put on the tinfoil one.

Diva

BigMitch @ 92

But it is a slippery slope to say she was conned, if she was promised eternal salvation, and that she didn’t get it.

Glad you feel that way. Send me all your money and you’ll be saved.

Funnydiva2002 - May I say that I love your handle? It makes me think of Beverly Sills - funny and brilliant! I interviewed her years ago in SF and have rarely been so impressed before or since with an opera star.

Night, pups.
Thanks for the good company and the snark.
Diva

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

Funnydiva2002 @ 100

Night, pups.
Thanks for the good company and the snark.
Diva

nite diva

Nighters, Funnydiva. Pleasant dreams.

Suzanne @ 96

Mitch, I choose to let that comment in because the commenter said she apologized. We shall see if that was in fact a true statement or not by the comments that follow.

Gee…I thought the bitter contempt was palpable. Guess 2:47 Am takes it’s toll.

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

Man-o-man that Bill Maher was funny as hell, tonight.

colbalt, if you wish to fight, please go elsewhere to do so.

BigMitch @ 106

Man-o-man that Bill Maher was funny as hell, tonight.

Thank you Mitch!

Loo Hoo. @ 105

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

So why Tammy and not Duke?

Loo Hoo. @ 105

cobalt90 @ 101

Tell me,will you morn Duke Cunningham when HE dies?

no

That’s mourn. But I would feel sorry for any family members who mourned him.

Sorry if this post caused anyone any heartburn. I certainly don’t think Tammy Faye was perfect. In fact, I laughed and screamed awfully hard about her and her conman husband Jim Bakker when they went down.

But redemption is a funny thing. She was the first person — ever — to touch an AIDS patient on television. She was probably among the first people who even said AIDS on television. And for that, in her pain and sorrow, she was embraced by a community long scorned and cast out who understood something of pain and sorrow.

That she, and more particularly her husband, caused many people pain and bilked them goes without saying. No one here is celebrating that aspect of her life. But there is in her life, for me, an element of redemption and forgiveness that transcends her faith, which I certainly do not share. “I want you to find peace. I want you to find joy.”

G’nite, ‘pups, see you tomorrow!

Asking whether or not to mourn is not the same as being insulting. Those are two different things.

g’nite teddy. thanks again.

newspaperbrat @ 99

Funnydiva2002 - May I say that I love your handle? It makes me think of Beverly Sills - funny and brilliant! I interview her years ago in SF and have rarely been so impressed before or since with an opera star.

Hey, thanks, npb. FunnyDiva was already taken when I wanted it 5 years ago, so I just added the year. I have a different account that’s funnysassydiva, but it seemed a little OTT for FDL use.

Sounds like you’ve had one heck of a cool career. And, yes, it’s magic when a huge artistic talent is coupled with a huge talent for people. (I think that makes sense). I know an orchestra conductor at the beginning of his career who has both. Everyone who’s worked with him is hoping he gets the early breaks needed to have the big career he wants. Because it’s sooooooo much less effort to work with a hugely talented person who’s also a genuinely nice one.

Oh, and I love hearing about Monterey and the Central Coast. I’m originally from Silicon Valley, and did my undergrad in SLO town.

Diva
really, truly *poof* this time!

Newtonuser,

Funny thing is that among my friends whenever there is a pregnant pause of palpable discomfort, the phrase we use is, “How ’bout those Mets?”

But I was reminded earlier that this is not a sports blog.

And anyway, Bill Maher was HILARIOUS.

TeddySanFran @ 111

Sorry if this post caused anyone any heartburn. I certainly don’t think Tammy Faye was perfect. In fact, I laughed and screamed awfully hard about her and her conman husband Jim Bakker when they went down.

But redemption is a funny thing. She was the first person — ever — to touch an AIDS patient on television. She was probably among the first people who even said AIDS on television. And for that, in her pain and sorrow, she was embraced by a community long scorned and cast out who understood something of pain and sorrow.

That she, and more particularly her husband, caused many people pain and bilked them goes without saying. No one here is celebrating that aspect of her life. But there is in her life, for me, an element of redemption and forgiveness that transcends her faith, which I certainly do not share. “I want you to find peace. I want you to find joy.”

G’nite, ‘pups, see you tomorrow!

And thank you Teddy.
nite