A classic Barbara Streisand performance of "The Way We Were." Like buttah. I tried to find the Bill Murray lounge singing parody from a classic SNL, but no luck...
The AP is taking Bush Administration dictation again, as Scarecrow detailed above. This is the same Eric Edelman who, as Cheney's national security advisor, was told in no uncertain terms that the Niger uranium claims were bunk. The same Edelman whose outright lies to the Republican-controlled Senate Armed Services Committee had John Warners knickers in a twist. The same Eric Edelman who functioned as a part of Dick Cheney's shadow national security staff for years. The same Eric Edelman who was speaking in irrelevant generalities all the way back in 2005 -- and is doing so still -- because his role is providing political cover, and not honest, candid policy assessment. (Warning: this transcript is hazardous to your blood pressure.)
I'm with Oliver on this one: perverting the defense department into an arm of the Republican Party is appalling enough. That we still don't know whether any contingency planning has been done with regard to either a planned or precipitous retreat is even worse. My nightmares about Steve Gilliard's fighting retreat scenario continue. Why, you may ask? Because of reports like this:
The 20 ground combat brigades deployed in Iraq would fill 10,000 flatbed trucks and take a year to move, logistics experts said. A full withdrawal, shipping home some 200,000 Americans and thousands of tons of equipment, dismantling dozens of American bases and disposing of tons of accumulated toxic waste, would take 20 months or longer, they estimate.
Yet the Bush administration, long intent on avoiding what it once called a "cut and run" retreat from Iraq, has done little to lay the groundwork for withdrawal, officials here said.
"We don't have the plan in detail yet. We're seriously engaged in trying to figure this out," said Marine Brig. Gen. Gray Payne, director of the U.S. Central Command's logistics operations center.
Even with the benefit of a detailed plan, Payne said, "this is going to be an enormous challenge."...
A hastier departure could find military convoys stalled on roads cratered by roadside bombs, interrupted by blown bridges and clogged with fleeing refugees....
On Friday, two of the Senate's most respected Republican authorities on international and military affairs, Richard Lugar of Indiana and John Warner of Virginia, introduced a measure to compel the Bush administration to "immediately initiate planning" for the next steps in Iraq, "including a drawdown or redeployment of troops."...
A shortage of aircraft means the Defense Department would have to charter transports to move troops out of the region. Under current agreements, the Pentagon pays companies such as FedEx and UPS $627.80 for each soldier it flies home -- for example, from Baghdad to Baltimore. For cargo, the Pentagon pays roughly $1.3 million for each cargo-loaded 747 aircraft flight....
Others doubt that all would go smoothly. A new report by the Government Accountability Office, the analysis agency of Congress, found severe problems in the U.S. Central Command logistics system, which would handle the withdrawal. The GAO found fragmented lines of authority, a shortage of skilled logisticians, and computer systems that can't connect with each other.
One result, the GAO found this spring, is that one third of all the steel shipping containers in Iraq and Afghanistan -- 54,390 containers -- are lost. (emphasis mine)
In the Bush Administration, no matter how many times you get caught lying or over how many failures you preside over, there is no internal accountability. There is no other explanation for Edelman's promotion to his spot at DoD beyond his unswerving loyalty to Dick Cheney and George Bush's priorities, whatever their lack of relationship to realities on the ground and the facts, whatever the cost to our nation's troops in the field. Once again, the Bush Administration calls out the political deflection squad when they get caught not doing their job. With folks like Eric Edelman still running the show, what could possibly go wrong?
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EPU’d from last thread but relevant to this one:
Biodun @ 130
4.2
As I said in the last thread, the folks who are drawing up withdrawal plans are the same ones who were responsible for the post-war plans.
No conspiracy here.
If you missed this article by Leopold about the history of Judge Bates
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071907R.shtml
Another hour of the Diane Rehm News round up. Lots of people listen to her show. Send in questions, comments, info you want to get out to listeners.
Drshow@wamu.org
1-800-433-8850
Another EPU’d from last thread but relevant to this one:
Biodun @ 112
punaise @ 6
No trace on the peninsula punaise…
Epu’d, reposting
LA Times headline this morning:
My reaction:
No. Absolutely not.
They’ve had four f*cking years.
Time to impeach!
This is all lies. I don’t know who to believe anymore. I truly believe that US forces could be out of Iraq in a few days to a week.
But it’s stupid. I mean, we’re not going to pull ALL of our troops out. There’s no reason some of them can’t stay to protect the borders and clean up the mess left behind. It’s just all bullshit.
Why don’t they just pull out of Baghdad and see what happens? Let them start policing their own streets there. There’s just no realistic discussion about Iraq because Bush just keeps lying.
and every single one of these morons that were COMPLETELY wrong on EVERYTHING are STILL deferred to as some kind of “experts”
crystol is on the friggin TEE vee every friggin week, he makes bizzare, BRAZEN claims CLEARLY false, is proven wrong AGAIN AND AGAIN, and they continue to question him for “expert” advice
I figured out an analogy and once told everyone will agree:
this is like an episode of the “twilight zone”
In addition to edelman being a complete tool, it is also ridiculous that he lists every conflict in recent history EXCEPT Bush War I wherein the truth for Arabs is that the US left before keeping promises to their “allies”…
For me, this is no longer the Iraq War or occupation of Iraq, but Bush’s Bloody Folly.
punaise @ 6
I was thinking of all my friends in the Bay Area when I saw/heard that this morning.
Punaise
Rude awakening, I take it?
(I’ve seen the maps, thanks. I’m watching the locked section between Cajon Pass and Parkfield loosening up, and estimating how much I’m going to need in water and MREs.)
They would be smarter if they did a slow sneak out of Iraq - a platoon or two at a time from random sites….
This is Bushco’s little going away present for the next president. Congress should not recess until this is addressed in a responsible way. Even if that means going 24/7. Unless it is the next president, likely a Democrat, will likely be a one-termer and any Democratic control of Congress will be short lived. (Where are you today Sen. Kerry?)
I know these may be silly questions, but why did we have to deploy so many of our national guard to fight this war?
Don’t we have an active duty army?
Does anyone know how many active duty ‘v’ national guards we have on the ground in Iraq and how many are still stationed on our bases though-out the world..Obviously, I know we can’t be too specific on # (walls have ears and all :), but I am curious about the %
Procuratio frutex delenda est.
Edelman, recess appointment. Has the clock run out on him? It’s two years come August 9th. Doesn’t he need Senate confirmation soon, or like Bradbury is he another “illegal” worker?
Give us hope, Christy!
OT, maybe. on Clinton’s response. The AP reported it at 8:35 a.m. the NYT blog on Edelman’s attack has yet to notice her response.
Can one impeach the newspaper of record for incompetence?
This is the question that I sent in. I have had tons of questions asked on the Rehm show the last six years. Anyone willing to send such a question in?
This week on C-Spans Washington Journal Senator Kerry brought up a Middle East Regional Peace Conference. Zbigniew Brezinski brought up this idea on the Diane Rehm show over two years ago and I believe this is also a recommendation of the Iraq Study Group.
What does the Bush administration have against such a conference?
Why are we not hearing more people discuss this idea?
jackie @ 19
I can’t remember any particular sources for the numbers, but I think the ballpark is that about 50% of the Nat’l Guard is deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Does that sound right to Fire Pupsters?
November, it’s the new September!
Christy they are discussing the Edelman/Clinton issue right now. I bet they would take a question from you.
drshow@wamu.org
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BlueStateRedHead @ 21
Actually Christy, this is my question too. Especially when I find this:
WTF is going on? Why is he still there?
kathleen at 25 — Am on a conference call at the moment…
Kathleen @ 23
Hey, Tony Blair’s in charge of Middle East peace. Everything will be solved momentarily.
BlueStateRedHead @ 21
Here it is
As I recall, Edelman also was linked to the Aspen Institute-Rome-yellow cake mess. In short like Judith Miller, Scooter Miller, Joe Lieberman, Arlen Spector, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Josh Bolten, etc. he is one of the Neo-Con group policy militia who seeks to foment Middle East unrest for their own ends.
Suggesting tag team blogging questions
Just sent this question to the Rehm show. Anyone else want to pile on. If they get it numerous times they will ask the question.
Is this the same Eric Edelman who, as Cheney’s national security advisor, was told in no uncertain terms that the Niger uranium claims were bunk?
drshow@wamu.org
Bush’s young war supporter video.
Watch the whole video.
Why doesn’t Gates fire his arse for such a
poor response?
OT but over at WaPo 48 pages of negative comments about Bush’s claim that he has Executive Priveledge over everything.
OT ~ Just a thought:
The CNN-YouTube Democratic Debate ~ July 23rd / Submit your question HERE.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Hell, I can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.
Christy is a superhero when it comes to multitasking.
Tidbit about Edelman:
GeorgeSimian @ 34
seems like we can at least quadruple that number
*goes to contribute*
Christy, you rock.
P J Evans @ 16
felt a lot stronger than 4.2 here in Berkeley. some stuff fell off shelves, one broken window pane. nothing major. a friend in Oakland lost gas service (earthquake shut-off valve triggered).
Junya’s Contingency Plans:
As he, Kindasleeza, and Rover are busy under the desk in the Oval Office playing with his Matchbox Hummers, Junya ponder’s the question of Iraq contingency planning:
“Ah can’t understand all the fuss Turdblossom. We jest “Beam ‘em up” like Cap’n Kirk does. Didn’t ya’ll tell me ahm responsible for this Enterprise? If ah say “Beam ‘em up”, then mah orders have to be obeyed.
Now, don’t ya be shakin’ your head at me Condi honey, ’cause I’m the Commander-In-Chief. Dickee told me so, and ahm goin’ to get mah way ’cause those Dimmicrats ain’t got the cojones to stop me.
Get me another brewski, will ya Turdblossom, and another Shirley Temple for Condi ’cause she’s driving. Vrooooom, vroooom.
Good Morning, Christy.
I wouldn’t put it past Darth Cheney to deliberately botch the withdrawal and put our troops in danger, just to stick it to the Dems for forcing his hand. Then, of course, he and The Chimp would be all over the news explaining the tragedy of those troops hurt or killed due to the “Democrats’ ‘precipitous’ withdrawal”. I would love to be proven wrong on this.
CHS “With folks like Eric Edelman still running the show, what could possibly go wrong?”
More deaths more destruction. The Clean Break getting even more bloody.
Edelman is the Plan B.
Bustednuckles @ 36
Understand! Just a suggestion.
Thanks for all you do.
Biodun @ 37
From the linked piece…
Got to be kidding…
Tross @ 42
It’s one of the many reasons they need to be impeached. They HAVE to be discredited. They have to be ground so far into the dirt that rehab is not possible.
mc @ 24
That’s along the lines of Blackwater being the new Pinkerton.
Bingo got the Kerry question on
do-si-do @ 44
He’s part of the “stabbed in the back” plan.
jackie@19: IIRC, when the shift was made to all-volunteer (plus private contractors, but leave that aside), they decided that in any major ongoing operations, something like 40% of total forces would be either National Guard or Reserve. Active-duty military just wasn’t big enough to sustain a serious deployment, given the impossibility of a draft. That’s actually how our battle plans have been written. Again IIRC, Gulf War I had a similarly high proportion of Guard/Reserve.
I’d suspect that Guard/Reserve were mostly to be assigned garrison and support duties, but that would be in a very conventional kind of situation. Iraq isn’t very conventional. I know reservists who were medevac door gunners, which is pretty high-intensity. But I think that if you go back to the initial invasion, the supply convoys were almost all Guard/Reserve.
All elements of the ground forces are way overstretched– military buffs and governors all have good reason to be worried. The Air Force, though, seems to be well out of it.
Here’s another tidbit about Edeleman:
A pullout from Iraq would only take 6 to 9 months. The kicker here is a pullout to where. If it is all the equipment all the way to the US, Europe or wherever, yes, it would take longer but a removal to staging areas in Kuwait could be done much faster.
In many ways, the timing of withdrawal is not a logistical but a political question. The adult way is to coordinate with Iraqi authorities turnovers of successive areas. They may or may not be able to fill the security void caused by our withdrawal but it gives them the opportunity to do so. It takes longer but is a fairer and more orderly process, at least on our side.
Can he tell us what happened to the War Czar and what he’s up to?
Biodun @ 9
If he was a recess appointment why is he still there after the new Congress was sworn in?
Or is he serving in another title? (Bet they raised the salary if that’s the case).
Kathleen @ 31
Ask Chrisy’s question on air. Someone asked how one can do more. Getting questions info on these national shows can be very effective. drshow@wamu.org
o.k. I am obsessive compulsive
Edelman also clearly doesn’t know about boundaries:
Janda @ 47
I couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope our Dem leaders will see it this way.
“Edelman received his bachelor’s degree from Cornell University in 1972 and a doctorate in diplomatic history from Yale University in 1981.”
Someone needs to take a hard look at the quality of education at Yale.
Is anyone really surprised that the Bush regime has transformed the Penatagon into an instrument of the Republican Party? Do you think that they were content with merely politicizing the DOJ? They are using the same methods employed by the NSDAP in Germany in subverting the legitimacy of elected government. Their intent is to blur the lines of all governmental departments and agencies so that eventually state and party are seen as one and the same. The government becomes nothing more than an instrument of serving party interests. This is beyond frightening. I have a friend who is a nuero researcher at a major university and she said colleagues of hers at the CDC were being questioned by Republican political appointees concerning their thoughts on GWB. This was happening over 4 years ago. These scientists were deeply troubled by these “interegations”. “Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”
A’57 @ 58
No kidding…it’s sole purpose really is to provide people access to people in power. The education isn’t any better than most big state schools.
OT and shameless self promotion. Bush’s gift to his opposition.
A’57 @ 59
Someone needs to talk to Sibel Edmonds and find out how connected this guy is to the Turkish support groups she said were spying within the US.
Edelman might not be able to stand up to too much scrutiny.
Bluetoe @ 61
Kinda, uh, like Saddam’s government? ‘eh?
And this is also interesting about Edelman (he always seems right in the thick–as it were–of things):
Wow on the Rehm show they are talking honestly about the I/P issue. Challenging Israel…checkpoints, the wall, the occupation, the incursions, the bulldozing, the intimidations at checkpoints
BobbyG @ 64
So instead of de-Baathification what we need is de-Bushification.
Biodun @ 52
Does this bear some relation to the Turkish bribes to Hastert?
Biodun @ 65
Biodun - thanks for the tip.
Recess appointments (wikipedia): A recess appointment occurs when the President of the United States fills a vacant Federal position during a recess of the United States Senate. The commission or appointment must be approved by the Senate by the end of the next session, or the position becomes vacant again.” (my bold)
Perhaps this is why Hillary says to Gates:
“I would appreciate the courtesy of a prompt response directly from you.”
Janda @ 61
Let us not forget that W wnet to Yale. And, itwas the source formany OSS & CIA agents up until fairly recently.
perris @ 38
How do we stage an Impeachment March from the White House to the Capitol?
Bluetoe @ 60
China under Mao and Russia under Stalin come to mind when thinking of the merging of party and government.
Senator Clinton rocking the polls
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/6.....92007.html
Hugh @ 68
The Bu’ush Party.
BTW- the latest Bu’ush Party declaration (from WaPo):
“MY government” - Jorge W. Bu’ush
And were not talking about pig ranches here, either.
brendan @ 71
Ramsey Clark was the first one that I heard pushing Impeachment just after the illegal invaion of Iraq.
Impeachment march in Sept
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
Fern @ 72
ALL totallitarian regimes use similar methods in consolidating power and making the state an instrument of party ideology. That holds true whether they be communist or fascist. Their is a direct lineage from Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Franco, Mussolini, Hitler to GWB and the Republican Party.
Cindy walking for Humanity
Her last post.
http://www.impeachbush.org/sit....._ctrl=1201
Hugh @ 53
wayne white says 12-15 months for a withdrawal that includes the expensive equipment and about 100,000 iraqis who would be killed because of their work with americans.
not saying he’s right… but he’s actually studied what it would take (and knows iraq very well).. if it really could take half that time, i’d like more info before i make that assumption.
i’m not anxious to push for a time schedule that means tens of thousands of iraqis are killed when it could be avoided. we already have so much blood on our hands… please, let’s not add to it.
Biodun @ 65
I think this shop was at State not Defense and began back in 1981 when Reagan came into office. I don’t know when or if Edelman joined the group but it was an incubator for neocons. Dennis Ross, Francis Fukuyama, and Alan Keyes were also part of it.
We have no Department of Defense. We do have a Department of Aggression, however.
Kathleen,
I tried to get an answer to the questions you posed at the tail end of yesterday’s WINO thread - last night at late late night (beginning at #203). I didn’t, and do feel you are owed an apology for the rudeness of the challenge that was thrown at you yesterday. Anyway, I tried…
It’s been the proverbial frog in boiling water for six years, but today’s Post article on the “broad new assertion of ‘executive privilege’” departs from the quiet accumulation of dictatorial powers: it is nothing less than an outright declaration of dictatorship. Call your representatives daily about an impeachment investigation and think of a way to get some of the tens of millions of people who demand impeachment to voice that demand in unison, in public.
It’s time to hit the streets.
If the Goopers manage to prevent any meaningful action against the Bush regime, there is still a point of hope.
Under the precedents set by the GOP, the executive cannot be constrained by congress or the courts in the prosecution of the war on terror.
The GOP under Bush has increased terrorism exponentially.
So after due consideration,(about 30 seconds worth) the incoming Dem president declares the Republican party a terrorist organization.
A little OT. I hear the pitter patter of little feet - chickens with their heads cut off. Yesterday, Helen was nice enough to link to Senator Leahy’s letter to Gonzo in advance of next Tuesday’s hearing: Leahy Warns Gonzo In Advance. 10 to 1 he doesn’t even show up.
selise @ 79
It’s necessary to remove Cheney from power and quarantine Bush in order to stage this withdrawal. Once they’re gone, and their allies in the armed forces with them, the military can be trusted to manage this appropriately. Gates is already in place.
I feel ill this morning. This is what I have been afraid of ever since the Supreme Court installed an un-elected president in 2000.
I have been very ambivalent about Hillary’s candidacy, though I have always maintained a commitment to see that she is elected president if she wins the party nomination. But this action by the Pentagon, and her gutsy response, is forcing me to re-think my hesitancy.
I would hope that if she were to become President, that she would remember this experience–and do all in her power to see that sunlight is shed on these dark years. It may well be that she is the perfect person to take on the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy which has been working for years to turn our Democracy into a fascist state. Flawed though she may be in many other respects…
eCAHNomics @ 70
Believe me I did not forget. I know some of these bozos.
Bluetoe @ 84
I’ll keep saying this, but there has to be some visible popular accompaniment to the actions of Congress. We need to have a March from the White House to the Capitol. It would be unprecedented (as opposed to an anti-war rally) and galvanizing.
brendan @ 84
The Goopers actually wanna see a President Hillary with this kind of authority? LOL!
Or, (adjusting tinfoil fedora here), maybe there’s just not gonna be a 2008 presidential election.
Tiredfed@69 re recess appointment.
thanks for the wiki quote. That’s the principle, now Helen@21 and I know. but does it apply here?
Do you know if he has ‘outstayed his welcome’?
BobbyG @ 91
Of course there will be elections. It’s called “plebiscitary dictatorship”.
brendan @ 87
i’m more than ok with going this route… but i’d also like to continue to push for congress to end funding for the occupation…
Hugh @ 80:
Edelman was part of many “shops” in several administrations:
Bluetoe at #84:
I mean “Impeachment March”.
brendan @ 90