Spencer Ackerman has a rundown of some of the ins and outs of procedural maneuvers in the Senate that I thought everyone might find helpful. He concludes thusly:
Looking beyond the day's vote, however, reveals a more complicated picture. After the Democrats lost the Iraq battle over the supplemental appropriation in the spring and didn't launch another fight against the war, many on the left were disillusioned with the Democrats. Antiwar liberals appear much more energized now, so clearly today's events had one positive effect for Reid: It appeared to shore up his support on the left again.
More importantly, by raising the Iraq debate in the summer, the Democrats have created something of a public expectation that September is the beginning of the end for the war. Even Fred Barnes's summation piece for the Weekly Standard is titled "McConnell Holds The Line; At Least Until September." The benefit for the Democrats of the July push, even the unsuccessful one, has been to redefine the debate over the war.
By forcing the discussion now, Dems forced Republicans into the fall-back position of saying, "The war should begin to end not now, but in September." That means it will be tougher for Republicans to continue to back the war come September -- Petraeus report or no.
Two weeks ago, it was hardly clear that September would be the beginning of the end, as opposed to a potential rallying point for Republicans when Petraeus comes to Washington. But thanks to how the July debate unfolded, come September the GOP's victory today could look like a Pyrrhic one.
The Republican strategy all along has been to fob off the responsibility for their own failures onto the Democrats. And, to that end, they have been avoiding any and all votes which make them put their support of said Bush Administration failures squarely on record. Thus, the constant obstruction and filibuster tactics -- they are voting to keep debate going, you see, and not to support the Bush Administration's failed Iraq policies -- that way there is no recorded vote saying "I support keeping the war going forever." because they all know that isn't popular.
But with the latest Democratic maneuver, the Grand Obstruction Party has had to stand on the floor of the Senate and speak in favor of the continued occupation of Iraq, in some sort of macabre lock-step dance of Republican Senators who looked like they wanted to be anywhere but standing in the well of the Senate and genuflecting to George Bush's many failures. And the ruse is blown. It's about damn time.
As Digby puts it:
This is one reason why I really hate calling the Democrats spineless. It's true that they sometimes are, but compared to their single cell invertebrate comrades on the other side they are super-heroes. The Republicans laid down for Dick Cheney's Unitary executive like a bunch of cheap hookers during fleet week with nary a thought for the constitution or even their own prerogatives....
And it continues to this day, even as their great leader has nearly destroyed their party and ruined the country.
Never make a bet that Republicans will do the right thing. You can't even count on them to act in their own self-interest --- witness their just tanking the immigration bill that will probably sink their chances of a real majority for many years to come. Their only purpose in government is to steal from the taxpayers, help their rich friends, cover up their leaders' crimes and destroy Democrats. That's it. That's all they do.
Grand Obstructionist Party: you stand for lock-step, spineless failure and obeisance to George Bush. Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, you've also spent the last six years and counting helping make America less safe. How's that working for you?
(Invertebrate Magazine photo via szczur.)
PS -- Bob Geiger explains the switched vote from Harry Reid, for those who had some questions about the procedural need for that.
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Zed?
Ho boy. KO will have another Special Comment tonight! ; )
Howdy.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. :~)
Cozumel @ 3
I don’t have cable, so will have to wait to watch it on msnbc.com.
Valerie
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....ivil-suit/
KO special comment about the Politization of the pentagon and their statements about HRC!
The Republican strategy all along has been to fob off the responsibility for their own failures onto the Democrats.
You mean that none of this is Bill Clinton’s fault? Who would’ve thunk it?
And I am with Digby on being sick and tired of the misogynistic “spineless” meme.
Has anyone noticed the Bush order repealing the 5th Amendment?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....06,00.html
ew Financial Tool for Iraq Fight
Tuesday July 17, 2007 9:16 PM
By JEANNINE AVERSA
AP Economics Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration announced a new tool Tuesday aimed at putting a financial squeeze on people who run networks that recruit and send would-be terrorists into Iraq.
President Bush unveiled an executive order that allows the administration to block bank accounts and any other financial assets that might be found in this country belonging to people, companies or groups that the United States deems are working to threaten stability in Iraq.
Bush cited the “unusual and extraordinary threat” to national security and foreign policy of the United States “posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.”
No person, company or group was designated under the order on Tuesday.
The order seeks to fill a gap in U.S. authority to use financial sanctions to go after such offenders.
White House press secretary Tony Snow said the order targets terrorist and insurgent groups, including those assisted by Syria and Iran, that are not covered by existing authorities.
“What this is really aimed at is insurgents and those who come across the border,” Snow explained.
They are already moving it to November…
BTW: The Treasury Department explains the scary Exec. Order:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/ar.....3.php#more
Even some of the headline writers are getting it: the AP wire story on Earhlink said that it was the GOP who was blocking the anti-war moves.
(Taking day off from work for dentist stuff - just cleaning - and a trip across the street from there to the doctor’s office to ask who much testing for RA runs. My most-senior-aunt recommended it.)
Cozumel @ 3
Re: Pentagon challenges Clinton’s Iraq talk
September.
Repug St. Vitus dance, you watch.
Have you given to the Wilsons fight for Justice yet? Please spread this around
The Wilsons Legal support Trust
http://www.wilsonsupport.org/
If you use the same Clinton did it meme that the republics are using today and apply it to the Clinton adminstration, I guess it was all bush 41’s fault.
I love digby, but she has a penchant for Friedmanesque mixed metaphor. Today it was jellyfish rending their garments, the other day it was salving our tears.
UPDATE II: Flashback — Judge John D. Bates, the judge who dismissed today’s suit, also dismissed the lawsuit over Dick Cheney’s energy task force records:
Judge John D. Bates of Federal District Court found that Comptroller General David M. Walker, the head of the General Accounting Office, did not have sufficient standing to sue the vice president.
Mr. Walker had asked the judge to order the White House to reveal the identities of industry executives who helped the administration develop its energy policy last year.
In declining to do so, and in dismissing Mr. Walker’s suit, Judge Bates said that granting the G.A.O. chief’s request “would fly in the face of the restricted role of the federal courts under the Constitution.”
I still think we should give everyone in the House of Represatives plastic silverware and a paper plate imprinted with “Set the Table for Impeachment.”
LS @ 10
And I suppose they get to decide who is doing that.
tbsa @ 17
Yeah, wasn’t it Bush 41 who encouraged the Shiites and the Kurds to rise up in rebellion, and then betrayed them at the last minute?
Kathleen @ 18
interesting NYtimes article today on the same
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07.....f=slogin.. naming some names
By forcing the discussion now, Dems forced Republicans into the fall-back position of saying, “The war should begin to end not now, but in September.” That means it will be tougher for Republicans to continue to back the war come September — Petraeus report or no.
Tougher for Republicans to lie? I don’t think so. This falsely assumes that the Petreaus report will not have ambiguities and wistful references to a yet more distant future. When September comes, January will be the new September. If Petreaus really does conclude there is irredemable FUBAR, he’ll be replaced, the report will be delayed a month, and the October report will talk about all the freshly painted schools and whatnot. I don’t think any of this changes the calendar at all, because the calendar is not based on reality.
Cozumel @ 12
Yea, why haven’t they frozen her assets yet. I mean geez…
Dave Chapelle next WH Press Secretary
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...../#more-916
brendan @ 16
Love it! I needed that!
realworld @ 24
think Congress will impeach if shrub starts seizing their assets? :P ok, I’m kidding, but hey, who knows?
I’ve posted this before today and do apologize but this line from today’s Hartford Courant editorial on Tuesday night’s efforts is just way too good:
My bold.
I want them to freeze all of Halliburton’s bank accounts.
“The Republican strategy all along has been to fob off the responsibility for their own failures onto the Democrats.”
Besides avoiding responsibility, fobbing off failure is the life strategy of George W. Bush. Republics truly are the Party of Bush.
Blub @ 22
Another question is what did any of these individuals have to say about Iraq?
SnarKassandra @ 29
Ding!
Their only purpose in government is to steal from the taxpayers, help their rich friends, cover up their leaders’ crimes and destroy Democrats. That’s it. That’s all they do.
Well, the wingnuts have had success at 3 of the 4. But, destroying Democrats is a failure.
I’ve lived under the Republican Turds, floating in the cesspool, for 27 of 42 years and…..
/I’m still here
//and stronger than ever.
dakine01 @ 28
My bold.
I am hoping someone gets through on the Diane Rehm news round up tomorrow morning to list Liebermanns lies that he told during the slumber party. He told some doozies!
drshow@wamu.org 1800-433-8850
I wonder about the chances of delay, delay, delay postponing an exit from Iraq till there is a Democrat in the White House and a Democrat Congress at thr same time there is (as one would expect) massive civil war. In this scenario, there are outbreaks of violence in other nations in the region which the Rovians characterizes as “a knife in the back” or some kind of variation on “Who lost China? It’s worked before.
Certainly, the Decider and his minions fall into the category of destabilizing Iraq, creating violent acts, and creating terrorism, etc., that isn’t hard to demonstrate. Maybe we should hold the Treasury’s feet to the fire and have Paulsen seize the assets of the Bush/Cheney cabal.
A bit more about Judge Bates
http://www.truthout.org/docs_0.....cheney.htm
I want to bury the GOP. And most particularly the nasty Bush political dynasty. Democrats are at bat. Bases are loaded. The score is 1-nothing; Bush. It’s the bottom of the last inning. The count is two strikes and no balls. And I want a homerun.
It’s time to break the spell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=627KJ1U1jPQ
dakine01 @ 28
My bold.
Dakine, thanks for sharing. Yes, I think one of the major benefits of the sleepover was that every American can find out exactly what their senators are saying to the other senators, vs. what they blurb on the news. IE revealing their real position.
I also want to thank Sen. Harkin to take some time to video an explanation of the procedures etc and to FDL for posting it. It really helped this household!
Kathleen @ 31
“They have oil. We want it. Get it for us. You owe us, Dick.”
…they sometimes are? No, they always are. The 19 hour filibuster was a stunt, just as the Republicans said. If they had a spine, the filibuster would still be going on, day after day, until the Republicans were forced to let the vote happen. But the Dems have no spine.
I also wish (I think some senators are) starting up the noise on the fact that we are CREATING more terrorism than we are DEFEATING.
Why didn’t we “finish the job” in Afghanistan? I guess we cut and run there!
Lew Koch @ 36
This scenario has been my great fear. And what I really believe they are planning for. Facists thrive on war. By leaving the Dems with an unwinnable situation (civil war in not only Lebenon, but Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and god-forbid, Bahrain and other Gulf-states–not to mention a worthless dollar and sky high oil prices), they see themselves moving back in in 2012 with all the power that the precedents of this admin set in place.
I PRAY that the dems in congress are paying attention, and that they do whatever is possible after 2009 to dismantle the fascist security apparatus set in place by the Cheney/Bush Junta. If not, I shudder thinking about the world that my daughter, my niece and their children will inherit.
No more war!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....E&NR=1
Judge Bates: Enforcer of the Unitary Executive Theory.
-GSD
Blub @ 40
Comma?
Think Progress
UPDATE #2: C&Ler JR (one of my legal eagles) just sent this email to me: Although it will ultimately be unsuccessful, why not now demand that Congress pass a law that will give Plame the right to pursue her case in court?
The Republican Congress did essentially the same thing regarding Terry Schiavo, remember? Of course Bush would not sign such a bill it but it will be further evidence for historians to write just how corrupt a president he was/is.
UPDATE #3 Melanie Sloan, of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, the Wilsons’ legal counsel has issued a statement you can read below the fold.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/
GSD @ 46
Republican Judges: lawyers for the powerful and the well-connected. And the rich.
Woodhall Hollow @ 42
Amen.
Perhaps it’s come to this. The best we can hope for is Bush and his boys handing off Iraq to my party come January 2009. Iran worries me.
Wilsons statement
“In response to the ruling, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson said today, “This case is not just about what top government officials did to Valerie and me.” Wilson continued, “We brought this suit because we strongly believe that politicizing intelligence ultimately serves only to undermine the security of our nation. Today’s decision is just the first step in what we have always known would be a long legal battle and we are committed to seeing this case through.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
I don’t think bush plans on leaving office.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Me too.
Off subject, but….
Judge Amy St. Eve of the U.S. District Court told the 62-year-old member of Britain’s House of Lords that he had to stay either in the Chicago area or in the vicinity of Palm Beach, Florida, where he has a mansion.
He is to be sentenced November 30.
U.S. prosecutors had asked the judge to revoke the bond and take Black into immediate custody. They said he was a “four-time convicted felon” who could fight extradition if he returned to his native Canada and that he no longer has the assets to cover his bond.
The judge said she was keeping Black’s British passport, which he surrendered after his conviction last Friday. The judge did not require Black to wear an electronic monitoring device to keep track of his whereabouts.
“Black’s conduct from the outset of these proceedings has demonstrated a lack of respect for the conditions of his release and the entire judicial process,” said a motion signed by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and filed before the hearing.
“Simply put, Black faces the potential of spending the rest of his life in a U.S. prison,” for a range of 24 to 30 years, it added.
The motion also said Canadian officials had confirmed that if Black, now a British citizen, returned to Canada, an agreement made in a U.S. court waiving extradition would not be enforceable under Canadian law.
It also said Black faces forfeiture of $6.1 million from the sale of his Park Avenue apartment and that he is in default on the mortgage for his Palm Beach property. Both assets were used to secure the bond.
Black was found guilty on three fraud counts and one count of obstructing justice in swindling former media giant Hollinger International Inc. Three fellow former executives were also convicted. Prosecutors said on Thursday that Black was guilty of more than $22 million in fraud.
Black is appealing.
After St. Eve sentences him in November, Black will likely be ordered to spend time behind bars, unless the judge is somehow persuaded that his appeal is likely to succeed, experts have said.
The major contribution to the far “right” of the Republican Party that Bush has accomplished is the stacking of the judiciary. St. Eve is only 42, an attorney for Starr during the Whitewater “investigations” and was a AUSA in N. Illinois.
Read this now: Black is GONE
Lew Koch @ 35
I know the delay aspect but most folks can see it is already a serious civil war that we’re in the middle of. And no matter what, the rethugs will attmept to paint it as Dems lost the war. I just hope we can avoid the visual of helicopters lifting off from the roof of the meebassy as things go to sh*t. That was the lasting mural from ‘nam that helped the Rs paint it as Dems and congress lost that war. REgardless of the reality
tbsa @ 52
hehe. Not sure how he could. As a general rule, wouldbe coup-plotters need to have the military ON their side… or at least have some military experience :)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
You should also worry about Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Bahrain. And that’s just for starters. Saudi Arabia is also a steaming kettle of contradictions, and given the right trade disruptions, could become earth’s living nightmare. I lived there for a time in 97, and know something of which I speak. Just for starters, China is about to replace the US as their primary oil customer…worth thinking about. Long and hard.
Which is why we need Al Gore as President in 2008. I think that he is the only candidate who really is capable of connecting the mass array of dots, not only with regard to global warming, but in terms of the stability of the planet’s political environment.
Who do these people think they’re dealing with?
AP - The top U.S. diplomat in Iraq said Thursday that Baghdad is making some political progress but faces considerable difficulty in the months to come to try to heal a nation long gripped by violence.
Bush has already flat out stated that Iraq is going to be the next presidents problem. He has no intention of doing anything to stop it.
This is why I would like the Dems to be able to force him. No dice, yet.
Woodhall Hollow @ 57
;0)
tbsa @ 52
I’ve wondered about this as well and then worry my head turns to tin *g* he’ll probably start ginning out EOs by the dozen next year.
Iran worries me too. What is this jumping from one war to the next? My mom told me not to open a new box of cereal until I finished the old one. Does he think our military is limitless? Is he going to start calling up the postal service for duty?
Get Tough @ 55
Yes! Fitz! enough of the fucking madness of the rich and powerful.
The law is not our enemy. At least not in the noblest sense of the word.
dakine01 @ 55
OMFG. I just cannot get over how more men and women die so some repuke can save his own asswipe career.
Re: Plame dismissal. WTF, that wasn’t the question, Master Bates. Of course you can rebut. The question was, “Is it appropriate for government officials to break the law, put our country at risk and ruin peoples careers for political gain”, you asshole. That’s just ok, I guess. Were’sa my pitchfork and torch?
“But there can be no serious dispute that the act of rebutting public criticism, such as that levied by Mr. Wilson against the Bush administration’s handling of prewar foreign intelligence, by speaking with members of the press is within the scope of defendants’ duties as high-level Executive Branch officials,” Bates said.”
Just read the Harriet Miers article at Raw Story. Cannon says we will lose (meaning: Congress) if we try to press the contempt issue. It will fail and therefore make Congress less effective in future actions.
Are we (meaning: We The People) going to be continue to be cowed by Republican threats and bully tactics from Richardheads like Cannon?
Bushco, et al has nothing but contempt for American citizens. I say press Harriet.
do-si-do @ 61
silly rabbit: Trix are for kids. no Lucky Charms for W.
Lew Koch @ 35
Lew, I keep thinking of this from Robert Dallek’s new book:
That conversation preceded 10,000 American deaths.
Today on Washington Journal Senator Kerry again brought up the idea of a Regional Peace Conference in the middle east.
The Democrats could push this idea…
In one half hour Senator Kerry blew through the AlQueda/9/11 myth(again), he called the Bush administration’s efforts to turn his military service into a joke as shameless,nailed down the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots and called for the Peace conference in the middle east all within a half hour.
To think he could have been the President.
Worth the watch
http://www.c-span.org/homepage.....iveDays=30
Woodhall Hollow @ 62
But, Woodhollow, Black is going bye bye. Canada won’t extradict him if he skips over the border. He doesn’t have any assets to cover his bond. He is going to pull a Polanski/Rich and leave. He is not American, so he has NO incentive to stay in the US. Plus, he will probably get a less minute pardon from Bush, anyway.
In re #41,
the real stunt is that REPUBLICAN senators tell their constituency they are against the war and then do nothing constructive to end it.
I’ll take more stunts like Tuesday night to reveal the goopers for the warmongering bowing and scraping liars they are.
do-si-do @ 61
Yea the only thing worse than starting a land war in Asia is to start three.
I hope we can keep it at 2. Our military is being destroyed. We are going to have societal fallout from this for decades.
punaise @ 66
I’m frosted with these flakes.
dumbya @ 10
The “CERTAIN PERSONS” Executive Order does not say what Tony Snowjob is claiming. This piece of fascist garbage repeals the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Note the language, purported means “to allege or assert the appearance”. All that is needed is a “purported” claim that this law is being violated. This law condemns anyone who opposes the war in Iraq, and allows the Federal Government to steal everything that you own. Note that (indirectly) helping a victim of this law also condemns you. Shall I laugh or cry?
janda @ 71
Yea, all that “it’s not for me” crap.
do-si-do @ 69
The video clips of what the GOPers said need to be aired again and again from now until election time or until they concede a vote on the amendments.
I also believe that the delay strategy is not only to dump the crap on dems if they pull out, but to foist off the draft if they decide to stay. Because we will have to draft. JMHO
janda @ 53
Worried about Iran. Just the way the cakewalk folks want you to be about Iran. The majority of their repeated claims about Iran are unsubstantiated.
Go read Flynt Leverett on Iran. Flynt is a middle east expert and an ex-Cia analyst who served in the first Bush administration. He quit since he strongly disagreed with the Bush push for war with Iraq. flynt is the man to read about Iran
http://www.newamerica.net/pres.....n_and_iraq
http://www.newamerica.net/pres.....of_america
I would very much like to see Flynt Leverett come pay a visit to Firedoglake to discuss Iran.
Frank33 @ 73
Gotta go against the grain this one: It is based on the IEEPA, and only provides that individuals or other entities from supplying products, cash or other tangible support, to the insurgency in Iraq. It probably should have been drafted months/years ago. I know it smacks of over-reaching by the Bushies, and damn them for trying to do this all of the time, but this order is entirely benign, unless you are providing money/products/support of known insurgents currently in Iraq killing our soldiers
janda @ 75
Preferably with rebuttals aired at same time also. Notice how MSM only aired GOP objections to their filibuster.?
All this ‘inside the beltway’ bullshit won’t pull any weight with average Americans. But the one thing can cut thru the noise, on both sides…TILLMAN.
do-si-do @ 76
I’m with you on that one. If it will, as some suggest, take 2 years just to get out of Iraq once we decide to leave, there is no way the current military will be able to sustain it. B@$tards!
dakine01 @ 55
Though the visual is memorable, I honestly think that if it hadn’t been that, it would have been something else. I believe the more central problem was that the Dems did not anticipate the “stab in the back” rhetoric and fight against it effectively. We have the advantage this time that everyone (for now) knows that it’s Bush’s war, and he has a long record of incompetence that makes it easy for those who believed it could have been “won” but no longer do to blame it on that.
But we must be prepared to build on that advantage, and work to make sure that our officials understand that they have to be prepared for the inevitable Republican blame-shifting.
Woodhall Hollow @ 43
This is the meaning of the joke that Joe Biden tells, about his High School Baseball team. The centerfielder, Smith, dropped three easy fly balls in a row, picked them up and made throwing errors. The coach tells Jones to go in for Smith, and on the fist play, Jones makes an error, too. When he comes back to the dugout, the coach asks Jones what happened, and Jones says: “Smith screwed up centerfield so bad, nobody can play it!”
1,582 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
Today’s ruling in the Valery Wilson suit should be the coup de grace to that Chiffon elephant myth of our egalitarian justice system and a rule of law defining our culture. The reality that our system of justice has been nothin’ but a mechanism for the consolidation of capital and an institution for social control of the majority by a tiny minority is now right in our faces…that reality can’t be ignored. The oligarchy is laughin’ at all of us who put our faith in reason and the law…their laughin’ as they make a block-buster movie that makes Judy Miller the savior of America.
We have been livin’ under a fascist regime empowered by the final arbiter of our justice system. The only cure for the disease our democracy suffers is MORE DEMOCRACY!! And the only way we get the treatment to the source of the infection is through mobilizin’ people nation-wide. There should be a permanent presence of demonstrators outside the offices of every single elected Democrat…there should be national demonstrations in every state capitol…there should be at least one day-long national strike against the regime this summer.
Please all you Firepup Patriots with your incredible intelligence and creativity…please step up and lead us great unwashed grunts outta the trenches. We can’t sit back and hope that a few lawyers and a couple a judges are gunna give us our country back…we hafta take it back!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!!
Let me be specific. When I say I am worried about Iran, I don’t mean about what they can do to us. I worry about what ‘we’ (Bush) might do to them.
Redshift @ 82
We also need to figure out a way to make sure as few as possible from this admin are allowed to rehab themselves. We MUST make them pariahs. We have to make their actions hurt; otherwise the will come back.
Lou Costello @ 80
Lou, I couldn’t agree more. TILLMAN!!