According to the Washington Post, the president has apparently decided to go all Kim Jong Il and rule by Imperial Decree.
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According to the Washington Post, the president has apparently decided to go all Kim Jong Il and rule by Imperial Decree.
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zed! Trex!
Impeach.
Zed!
So close. Congrats, DB!
Damn thing wouldn’t load.
Hi TRex!
Goddamn, Congress. It is SOOOOOOO past time to kick this Asshole in Chief to the curb.
Dover Bitch @ 2
I’ll second that!
It like a serial killer begging to be caught..
Or they are baiting some very strange trap..
TO THE HAGUE with all of them!
Impeach!
Hi Suzanne!!!
It’s been coming for awhile, this move and everything has been done out in the open with nary a whimper from Congress so that now this fool thinks he can just tell the to go Cheney themselves, and us by extrapolation.
I don’t even think these bastards will comply with the will of the people IF Pelosi decided to go for impeachment…it has become that bad, I don’t care what anyone says.
Impeach.
EPU’d from below:
I’d be happy to forego the treason trials and the Truth & Reconciliation Commission if they will just go quietly when we impeach them. I honestly think I will see a second civil war in my lifetime with these neocons in DC.
I’m in a bit of a mood right now.
late again! argh!
Impeach!
I don’t even have words. The bastards are taking our country and wreaking havoc on it.
Damn. Bush has really gone berserk now.
If I read the article right and it’s true, then Bush just told the Congress they can’t get any laws enforced because King Tard George controls the Justice Dept.
In a different America years ago, this would hjave had people in the streets. No more–the American sheeple are anthestised, fat and happy.
TRex @ 6
And stomp on him.
burnspbesq @ 13
all I had to see was the title of that one. Awesome!
Eureka Springs @ 8
The trap could be a wanted and planned precedent from the Supreme Court. But isn’t this such an obvious violation of our Constitution that the self-proclaimed Originalists would smack this shit down?
Hello?
Is this this on?
(crickets)
Bueller?
LoudounLib @ 15
I have lots of words, just none are printable besides “impeach”.
“it’d be a heck of a lot easier if this were a dicktatership, as long as I’m the DickTater”
-aWol
Shadowstalker @ 19
Ditto
Someone mentioned soiling Murdoch’s head downstairs which reminded me of Matt Groening’s visit to TDS last night. anyone catch it?
He said it was great fun to bite the hand that feeds them. Once they had a crawler saying the most ridiculous things like godzilla plus Brad Pitt = Dick Cheney….Murdoch tap dances on USS Hornet (I’m paraphrasing)
They were told to stop it because viewers might confuse it with real news!!!!! bwahahaha!!!!
preznit giv me turkee @ 20
Turkee you old baster! Where you been?
Bush like Hitler, says first Muslim in Congress
Too bad he retracted it.
Shadowstalker @ 19
I have lots of words, but I am concerned that I will need more guns.
finifinito @ 12
This is basically what I was dancing around the other night.
It’s been festering since the 60s…same groups, same mindset.
Same arrogance…you people go fight our war, we’ll take over here while you’re gone and when you get back, well, hell , maybe there will be some jobs for awhile.
Then the frontal assault on unions in the mid-70s, the plant closures and relocations reminiscent of pre-revolutionary Russia, and the impoverishment of the middle class whose kids are STILL fighting these bastards’ wars for them.
BushCo is in such a bubble (since they got whatever they wanted from Congress for 6 years) that they haven’t a clue. They couldn’t leave well enough alone, could they?
End of the Republic, as I see it.
Tarnation, that didn’t take very long.
See y’all in the detention camps!
For years I’ve read dire warnings from right and left about how my country might be careening towards tyranny. Many were sci-fi visions of a foreseeable world that none of us would want to live in. I always thought these were over the top, but that it was good to have such things said. They would be a healthy cautionary influence and I’d have no need to get scared.
I’m getting scared.
finifinito @ 23
long story, short pier. had some medical problems, which cut down on my blog time. been lurking, but not much time to comment
Maybe the world doesn’t want to put W on trial at the Hague because they think we deserve him.
Now I’ll never get to sleep…
preznit giv me turkee @ 30
Hope you’re feeling better. Same here.
Not a lot of strength, but plenty of piss and vinegar!!
KO was bad ass tonight — anyone see?
Keith was en fuego with his special comment.
Christine Edmonson @ 33
Yeah. C & L has it up. The boy was on fire again. Seems entirely timely and appropriate considering this latest move.
Yes… KO was such a badass it worried me..for him.
Bloody h*ll, can we get this idiot out of office already?
Grar.
I have no patience with anyone today, least of all politicos.
Christine Edmonson @ 34
Bad ass…yessss!
Bad ass for Bush blaming everyone else for his war.
G’night all.
I have to try to go to sleep again. What I wouldn’t give for a full three hours.
TRex, maybe people think it’s funny to laugh at the little brown people.
But I follow Latin America. You are really poorly informed if you think that Hugo Chavez is a dictator.
True, Chavez has been granted special authority by the supermajority his party has in Congress. But he is not infringing on the Venezuelan Constitution. He is reforming a corrupt monopoly system that controlled petroleum, media, and other key industries.
By contrast, Bush:
1. Was not legally elected.
2. Never received supermajorities in the Congress
3. Is asserting powers forbidden to him by the Constitution.
4. Is using those powers for everything to keep demonstrators out of his political meetings to frustrating the prosecution of his staff for criminal acts.
Let me be clear: I do not endorse what the Venezuelan congress has done. Executives should never, ever, for any reason be granted plenary powers. But to compare Bush to Chavez is purely to insult the Venezuelan people.
Someone needs to wake Keith up now with this news, and have him hit the airwaves again.
I am just gobsmacked. It is more than obvious that the Kowboy Koward of Krawford is just saying ‘f*** you, America – I’m doing what I want and you can’t stop me!’
That’s why we HAVE to impeach. All the talk about ‘taking care of business’ by the Dems is ridiculous, as it’s obvious that they are not going to get anything passed with the filibustering Repubs anyway. Why even bother?
T’row da bums out!
Take care James
james @ 32
yeah, fortunately the surgery went and the physical therapy is going well and insurance picked up a big chunk, but makes me wish even more for single payer
Jane (nyc) @ 37
Yes, I agree!
james @ 27
And one of the main aspects of “the master plan” was taking over the media. Control the message and you control the masses. Thus, we end up with most blue-collar folk talking about running guvmint like a bidness, and how NAFTA will actually benefit them. War is Peace. Control is Freedom.
The neocons get in front of cameras and literally say these things, and the stenographers dutifully regurgitate it.
BTW, I wonder if the movie about JudyJudyJudy Miller and Scoots will do any location shooting in Aspen? Maybe they could get a NC-17 rating out it!
james @ 26
I like how you think, I just added you as a friend on Facebook.
Your historical analogy is spot on. Always remember that the neocons are descendents of Leo Strauss. Fascism with doses of Communism = neoconservatism.
Christine Edmonson @ 34
KO’s Special Comment at C&L
Only solution will be armed insurrection… military coup…problems is, our boys and girls are fightin’ over there, so they can’t help us fight the enemy HERE!
Crikey.
Liss/DreamingCrow @ 37
I think the answer to that is here.
Charles @ 41
Sigh.
I was totally ready to extend Chavez the benefit of the doubt until he made that decision, you know?
Mostly I used his name because I knew how much it would gall the righty jerkoffs that will be coming by to gloat.
I changed it to Kim Jong Il for the sake of clarity, though.
theWalrus @ 49
No, there are many more things that can happen before we get there. Peace is always preferable. International law kicks in at certain points. We will have friends when we need them.
My country’s shaming me . . .
Keith even spoke the word: Impeach! On fire, indeed. Once the word is out there, it will be heard more and more.
Charles @ 41
You’re joking, right? If you sincerely believe what you just wrote, you really need a reality check. Venezuela is a functioning democracy? Yeah, in the same sense that North Korea is a functioning democracy.
I posted a link to Hugh’s List of Bush Scandals (now at 224 entries and climbing) on an Arkansas Blog thread today…
A grandmother replied (she rarely comments but enough to know she is almost always reading)
Two of us gave replies….
Later she came back with this..
DrDick @ 51
No doubt, DrDick, no doubt.
Send lawyers, guns and money.
When history books are written at the end of this century there will be amazing stories told about this era in history. You know that old Chinese proverb “May you live in interesting times”? Well, it doesn’t get much more interesting than times like these.
bonkers @ 47
How can Bush blame the anti war talk when GOP controls MSM. FGS!
I have to admit that I am not informed enough about the actual situation on the ground in Venezuela to know what is actually true and what is right wing propaganda. Generally, though, the BBC seems to give it to me straight with minimal spin, and they seem to indicate that things are not so great under Chavez.
Patrick 4/4 @ 58
RAmen!
Charles @ 39
Thanks for saying that. I was way too wrapped up in Bush’s absurd power grab to even notice that. About the only people to give Chavez a fair shake have been DemocracyNow and Greg Palast. Chavez’s move is not uncommon – the Venezualan constitution makes change nearly impossible without it. He is by no means the first Venezualan president to ask for plenary power.
Eureka Springs @ 57
Thanks Eureka, I was wanting that the other day. Bookmarded.
Wow, that was spooky.
finifinito @ 60
I bet the Germans have a word for agreement combined with reluctant admission that yes, in fact, it is that bad.
ES, that grandma is right on.
Now they just want until November…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..ref=slogin
Ye gods, I am so stupidly behind on political stuff these days. ::sigh:: I need 36 hours in my days and eight of them a week, please.
What’s the surprise?
The elections will be canceled, and Bush will be President for life. All hail to King George.
Methinks the Congress is already too late.
TRex @ 66
They do, in fact. And it is something the Germans are feeling toward us now. Schadenfreude.
TRex @ 67
Nuremburg is the word you’re looking for.
OK. I have exhausted my outrage quotient for the evening, so I am going to try to go to bed. God, I hope I don’t need to start buying guns.
DrDick @ 17
Can I hold your coats while you do it?
(then you can hold mine while I spit on the pieces…)
Diva
Patrick 4/4 @ 59
Saw that at the Armadillo, too. Prolly forgot to mention that I worked there back in the seventies.
Best.Job.I.Ever.Had.
TRex @ 61
Wake up. BBC shows Greg Palast’s reports in Britain, but you won’t see them here, even from their website. WH access is too important.
And so it begins, forgive me if I have spent to long a time with mythological but in one voice we must say “NO” we have had enough or give this all away. Yes I’m old and often make little sense but this is bad very bad. As you all know I just had to add my outrage to this and will fade away to leave you to the discussion.
Loo Hoo. @ 69
A demi-Friedman.
I’m feeling like this right about now
DrDick @ 75
Why do I feel the same? This is so sad.
Chris
G’night DrD, keep the faith and try to get some sleep.
Guys, I am going to go drown my sorrows in enchilada sauce and CS Lewis.
Good night.
It’s time for Mr Waxman to use his little trump card. You know he really does have one. Her name is Sibel.let sibel edmonds speak!
LoudounLib @ 80
Uh-huh. Me too.
finifinito @ 60
Not so much a proverb as a malediction. Now we see what it means. Ouch!
G’night TRex
TRex @ 62
My dearest friends (for the last thirty years) warned me about the Chavez regime. They have dual citizenship (in the US) and could have abandoned Venezuela but chose not to. Things in Venezuela were bad before C, but have becaone exponentially worse… to the degree they won’t let me visit because they can’t guarantee my safety.
Don’t know where they go from here but it’s an awful situation. Everyone who has money/possibilties send their children out of the country for an education/safety.
Mad props to you bro. That place is still legendary to this day. We’ll have to trade war stories sometime in private.
I’m livid. And with these coward GOP shills in Congress, there will likely be no remedy. The GOP senators have to be shamed into action. Shamed.
cynic @ 70
No, never happen. We are way too strong. Americans love their country.
G’night Trex. G’night Johnboy. I’m out.
I will live to fight another day, tomorrow.
TRex @ 83
Narnia forever, TRex
finifinito @ 47
With a healthy dose of Carl Schmitt thrown in.
Using the TRex hatchet, I think Justice Roberts has passed the word to the WH that they will support the Dictatorship. The Dems have to challenge at every step and show how far into the shitter this country has gone. The Dems really need to pick up eleven Senate seats, SCOTUS expansion maybe the only option after 01/20/09.
DrDick @ 51
Mr Zevon has plenty of songs that are more appropriate for today as when he wrote them. Sure wish he was around now togive his take on this insanity.
For some strange reason I have such a headache right now…best that I get to bed too.
Impeach!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 91
Hey LoudonLib, that tune is working again. the first on the playlist, Against Me!
Charles @ 41
Bravo, Carlos! Es Verdad.
Tillman is the key. We have to get this in the center of the stage.
Night TRex,
lolo, your link doesn’t work, sweets.
fini, playing it now :-)
finifinito @ 53
I wish that I could believe that
but i don’t
BigMitch @ 100
As bad as Tillman is, there are so many transgressions its hard to know what will be key.
Jane (nyc) @ 85
God forbid that an indigenous person should ever be able to share in a colonialist’s wealth.
LoudounLib @ 103
Bitchin’ tune dont you think?
Loo Hoo. @ 102
Fixed now Loo Hoo.
We have got to put this in simple terms for everyone:
President Craphead Declares Self King….
finifinito @ 107
For real!!
BigMitch @ 100
How is Tillman the key? I don’t understand.
Loo Hoo:
With due respect.
Our revolution was 231 years ago. The last war we fought that meant anything was over in 1945. Vietnam was a farce (I was there), Korea was…well, very sad….and now we are probably going to have to fight a revolution on our own shores against our own government. And that will do no one any good, because whoever wins will be a dictator. Wake up America, it has happened already, and there is precious little time to do anything about it with the cowards we have in Congress. Most of my fellow Americans are sheep.
ok all, I’m out…good night, and please don’t forget to Impeach….
There is evidence that the White House was involved deeply in the coverup of the Pat Tillman shooting. It was recently released to minimal fanfare and is dropping from public view like they had hoped it would.
Its a big why, for me when you watch the life run out your friends eyes for, what. they call you back to watch kids die, for what. They lie you in to war, for what. they that fight do not care for whom they protect and those they protect care not for them. Yet death marches on on both their sides. We hide our faces to pure to see the sacrifice yet we ask more. when will it end? when is a mad man and his friends are full, and how many years till freedoms flame alights again.
GordonM @ 106
Am not sure what you mean by your comment. My friends have endured tear gas, seizure of their assets via Chavez. They only want to preserve what’s unique about Venezuela vis a vis Latin America.
wangdangdoodle @ 87
Where are the kids? We had so many young musicians and activists, I don’t understand this. Maybe I’m just out of touch and there’s a movement????
Very much on-topic, I think, this new piece from Raw Story:
“Old-line Republican warns ’something’s in the works’ to trigger a police state”
sorry
lolo @ 84
Try this linklet sibel speak
finifinito @ 114
But I don’t see how, even if he was involved in a coverup, that would really harm Bush.
If Sibel Edmons knows what people think she know then she could deal a death blow to the entire GOP. That is if peoples suspicions are correct.
Sept 15 is going to be interesting.
I think then you (we) will see the overt power grab. So far, this is sort of covert for most folks. My relatives and neighbors don’t have a clue as to whats going on and little interest in learning.
But everyone understands the Iraq drawdown.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Bush invoke the 5th amendment cancellation recently announced against members of congress. Plus the declaration that he will invade Iran if there is opposition to his plans in Iraq.
Sept is the show and fireworks month (shock and awe so to speak?).
May I respectfully suggest to my many friends here that I think you have all failed to see that this is good news, if it is news at all.
That W. would take this fucked up view of how the DOJ should respond to a congressional referral of a contempt citation was well known. This is exactly what the words “unitary executive” mean. You can look it up in Wikipedia, and we all know there is no more reliable source than that: “The judicial branch implications are that no part of the executive branch can sue another part because ‘the executive cannot sue himself.’ If the federal courts were to adjudicate disputes between executive agencies, it would violate the doctrine of separation of powers.”
The DOJ is not going to sue the attorney general. Get over it.
What is new is that there is a congressional leadership to say: (1) this unitary executive bullshit is just that — bullshit, and (2) if you don’t want to accept that, we have other ways to go.
And we know what those ways are: (1)Imchimpment. (2) Inherent contempt.
So, my friends, take heart. Today’s news just hastens the day when impeachment is back on the table.
Or else, I am the one who is wrong.
Sounds like Bush’s Saturday Night Massacre. Hope Pelosi is taking note of Bush instructing the DOJ to break the law.
Maybe this will change her mind about impeachment….
finifinito @ 52
Looks like I’m not going to bed now.
I agree there are nations that will get nervous about what’s going on here. That’s already playing out in the currency markets…look at the dollar against the euro.
Although our military is broken half a world away from here we still present a threat to any nation that tries to intervene in our internal affairs. Our bases, like the Roman empire before us, are far-flung and filled with all sorts of goodies.
Do you believe that the Brits will stand up to us with our bombers stationed there? Better question: Do you think the irrational behavior of this junta will make people think twice before actually doing something about the institution of a dictatorship here?
The UN? A vote in the Security Council will be rendered null and void by the veto we wield. Did Bush and Putin come to some secret agreement in Maine last week whereby Putin pushes through an unconstitutional third term with tacit support from Bush as long as there is no big brouhaha from Volodya when Bush pre-empts the 2008 elections with an engineered event here?
Just thinking out loud, but I’ve been talking about this happening for years, not for months. Years. There are too many parallels in history to ignore. Everything that has led up to this moment has been done out in the open and Congress has done absolutely nothing.
What will they do if Bush and his cronies fail to respond to impeachment proceedings? Those barricades in DC aren’t there to protect the government from foreign terrorists. They are there to protect this little shit from the rage of us.
Plain and simple. When Reagan was allowed to subvert the constitution and the people who did it were painted as heroes instead of the traitors they were, and I’m talking about North, Armitage, Negroponte, Poindexter, Bush, sr., the nutjobs who were watching everything knew that they could move ahead slowly but deliberately to institute their plans.
Read Scahill’s book on Blackwater. Maybe American troops won’t fire on American citizens, but Blackwater Security LLC employs operators (mercs) from Chile and various other nations who would have no compunction whatsoever at shooting American citizens. Hell, these people killed their own people under Pinochet. What’s a few gringos?
I’m not a happy camper.
I just read the article.
I do wish that someone would be thinking about how to talk about this in simple terms. The “burning of the Reichstag” is just too far away and abstract for people in the US.
I think the Nixon comparisons are better. But still not wicked enough.
This, “executive privilege” they assert over some documents isn’t “punch you in the gut” enough for most people if the media. They will report on it from an intellectual point of view about legal and procedural things. So it can be balanced and they won’t be seen as partisan, so it is up to us to explain this in more powerful language what this means.
Bush is saying:
Hey, gang!
Did the dinodog dis Carlos Chavez somewhere?
This even made it on BoingBoing, which i surprising because they usually focus on other things.
White House Kisses Goodbye to 5th Amendment
Makes it sound like we were right about that politicizing the Justice Department thing, doesn’t it.
He had listed CC in his post, and later changed it to the North Korean guy, ET.
The Lurking Mod @ 107
I tried the link at 83. Thanks anyway, LM.
noen @ 121
What’s the surprise in this WaPo story?
We all knew already that the Bush administration was going to take this position, that the DoJ would not be permitted to investigate or prosecute contempt charges by Congress against people under the Bushies ‘Executive Privilege’ protection.
That’s why so many of us have been urging Congress to bring inherent contempt charges in Congress, rather than submitting statutory charges to the DoJ.
There is one interesting surprise in this article, though. I didn’t think anyone in the Bush administration would own up to planning this strategy until a statutory contempt charge was actually submitted to the DoJ by Congress.
Seems kind of weird. ‘Strategerically’, it would have run out the clock longer to let Congress bring a statutory contempt charge to the DoJ. And if Congress had decided to go the inherent contempt route, without previous comment from the Bushies, then they could have complained that the Democrats were being too agressive by pursuing inherent contempt first instead of following the normal statutory procedures.
Now, the Bushies have no excuse when Congress opts for inherent contempt. Senate and House Republicans won’t even be able to argue that statutory means should be tried first — the White House has already admitted it will block any attempts to follow that route.
What could the White House possibly gain from making that admission now, rather than later?
noen @ 121
I agree with you on Tillman, I think its less key than others do, but part of the whole package of reasons why they need to go.
Paul Craig Roberts said it best in that Raw Story piece:
This is what has me concerned the most. This is what will lead to worst case scenario.
The neocon cabal is placed in the precise spots of government they need to be in to pull this off. Our only hope is massive civil disobedience amongst the bureaucracy and military to resist a police state.
I want to find something good about this, unfortunately, I’m too old, and I’ve seen too much. A police state we shall have.
And it is the fault of this Congress. Pelosi, Reid, and all the other gutless wonders. They have some Constitutional power, and if it takes federal marshals dragging people out of the White House at gunpoint, then so be it.
What laws? The king doesn’t recognize our laws.
I was shopping in Berryville Arkansas Wal-Mart today and I ran into a friend back in the dairy section. We immediately got into the Bushshit and I said to him, “You know Bush and Cheney are holding our troops hostage in order to avoid impeachment and war crimes charges don’t you?”
I kind of forgot about where I was until it was halfway out of my mouth.
Probably seven or eight people heard me and four of them stopped what they were doing and chimedin to one degree or another in agreement.
No one spoke up in defense of Bushco and all 7 or 8 stayed near and listened even if they didn’t chime in.
Even though my best intuition tells me most folks don’t know the details, they know this P and VP are way out of hand…
noen @ 111
We haven’t met, yet. How do you do?
Joe Sixpack doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the firing of U.S. Attorneys and the words unitary executive don’t mean squat to him. But he does know that Joe Tillman gave up a professional NFL carreer to answer his country’s call. When he was killed, (as I am sure you know) the government lied to his family and to the nation.
His family testified in Congress, and as you would guess, they are pissed off. Big. Time.
Congress is investigating this, and it appears that the decision to lie about Tillman was made at LEAST at the level of Secty of Defense Rumsfeld, and likely higher.
Waxman has sought documents relating to this, and the White House has asserted executive privilege. Unfortunatley, Waxman made an announcement about this on Friday, and it got less attention than the Eskimo Olympics, which by the way, are occurring right now, in Anchorage Alaska.
The White House is saying, yeah maybe we lied about Tillman’s death, but that’s nothing for you to concern yourself about, Congress. Now that is something that Joe 6-pack can get worked up about.
Hey – wassup over at Sadly, No? Is there another DDoS attack going on (them wingnuts, they really do not like being pantsed in public … no matter how much they actually do it to themselves).
Y’all got some health commenting going on over here these days … been a while since I’ve been a regular in these here parts. Congrats!
JGabriel @ 133
Well if there is a greatly delayed later, why would they care?
JGabriel @ 133
Maybe this is a trial balloon to gauge the level of outrage or awareness in the country as a whole.
If it flies with no mass demonstrations and only the left blogs trumpeting it while the wingnuts paint us as loony “conspiracy theorists” then Boy George will be home free.
If Congress doesn’t call him on this blatant shot at the very tripartite nature of our system of government, commander-in-fucking-chief or not, then Bush and his cabal will roll over everything in sight without looking back.
BigMitch @ 123
No we didn’t. Previous thread #282 or so…
Eureka Springs @ 137
That’s the most heartening thing I’ve heard lately. Thanks for sharing. *g*
BigMitch @ 123
Right On, Big Mitch! Finally someone is looking at the glass half-full!!! First, and foremost, The Sergeant-at-Arms of both chambers shall be utilized in ways they haven’t since the 1930’s, Inherent Contempt!!! Meirs, Bolten, etc… shall be spending a little time in the bowels of the Capitol! I fervently believe it will produce the necessary testimony for Impeachment proceedings! I also think this overt slap in the face will force Leahey, Conyers, Waxman, etc… to take off the kid gloves and finally push back with authority!!!
bonkers @ 141
You are so right. (But that was there, and this is here.)
BigMitch @ 101
Barrage of Bullets Drowned Out Cries of Comrades
And the WH knew…and is covering it up with ‘Executive Privilege’.
From the article:
I’ve heard many lawmakers talking about it. Perhaps we can force feed the rest.
BigMitch @ 137
I guess I just don’t get it. I have zero interest in football or sports. I do understand that many other people do.
BigMitch @ 123
Thanks Big Mitch. I think people are forgetting that this country is, and always has been, an oligarchy. The people who comprise this group make sure that the policies of this government are in their best interest. Sometimes their interest line up with ours, or sometimes there’s a leader that says they should give more to keep this whole thing going (FDR), or sometimes their leader gets too greedy. I think this is what has happened. The people who truly run this country gave Bush some leeway, and he made them some money and everyone was happy until now. The ownership of private property is what this country, and these people are about. They are not about to let Bush kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. The best thing that could happen to us, and the quickest way to see Bush Co. impeached or worse, would be if they actually took actions to seize material amounts of private property with out due process.
JGabriel @ 133
I’m thinking it was just a mistake. They probably didn’t think of that. They’ve made plenty of mistakes like this over the years, it’s just that no one on Congress or the Conglomerate Media ever holds them accountable for anything, so no real damge done. Let’s make sure it’s different this time.
CTuttle @ 143
The bowels of the Congress is the perfect place for these little shits.
BigMitch. This is exactly right. Well said.
On the nose. Kudos.
argosfalcon @ 139
No, that doesn’t make any sense. Releasing, or leaking, this information now significantly reduces the chance that inherent contempt will be ‘greatly delayed’.
That’s one of the points I was trying to make.
Lou Costello @ 145
If that won’t make Joe 6-pack grab a torch and a pitchfork, I don’t know what will.
Listening to Fritz Reiner and the Chicago Symphony play Richard Strauss’s “Also Spach Zarathrustra.” Last night I listened to Herbert von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic perform the same work. Hadn’t listened to it in a long while, but it is the perfect antidote to what I’m immersed in writing right now – a long ragtime piece about a guy who was totally multi-cultural and felt strongly that we’re too fucking dumb to know what god figures like Zarathustra have to say to us.
Reiner is so good on this piece!
Lou Costello @ 145
Some think it was no accident, like they’ll ever prove that if its’ true.
You guys do realize that this Executive Order that lets him take people’s property is basically an extension of the Drug War siezure laws to the Iraq War/War on Terra. You dont even have to be arrested to have your shit siezed in drug investigations for years. This is how they have kept the inner cities underthumb for decades. Now coming to a suburbia near you. Your kid at the protests driving home will get the SUV siezed then and there.
Jane (nyc) @ 37
I worry about him when he is especially fired up. But unlike an old mother hen I do take comfort when I remember what a pro he is and so much smarter than the sociopathic bumbling rethugs.
re Tillman.
do sports blogs have comments?
BigMitch @ 153
I still don’t think that’s enough. Now if you take away their DirectTV….then there’d be hell to pay!
More Tillman: Army Spun Tale Around Ill-Fated Mission
(Karl Rove intervenes? Can’t kill your own heros…bad for recruiting.)
may @ 158
Good question. I don’t know the answer.
BigMitch @ 153
Yeah, I think I agree now.
My opinion: An impeachment inquiry would definitely be in order, but Conyers and company will need some time to advance the inquiry. In the meantime, if the Ds could muster the votes to de-fund the war (I know, big If), I am convinced that Bush and Cheney would go right over the edge. They would just come unglued. And possibly provide Congress with bulletproof grounds for impeachment and removal. Well, anyway, I can hope.
noen @ 162
Like I said …. Nice to meet you.
Whatever it is they are hiding is bad, really really bad. So bad that they will take down this nation to make sure it never see’s the light of day.
Congress must act to impeach NOW. I don’t care if their rabid base of 26 percent goes gonzo on this nation, I care about saving what is left of this nation, if not now, when?
noen @ 155
I’ll never believe that, although shit happens in combat. That said, Rangers, SEALS, and Recon Marines rarely shoot themselves in a firefight with bad guys. They are usually too disciplined and task-oriented through training to be firing willy-nilly without acquiring and identifying a target.
The reason Bushie wants this kept hidden is because it goes directly to his fraudulent prosecution of this war. This incident and the Jessica Lynch lie were used to get all the sheep in nice tight herd back here so they could feel proud to be Americans while footlockers full of cash were being stolen from the Treasury.
To have admitted that early in the war that mistakes were made would not have gone down well with a public that was told how well-oiled this war machine was.
noen @ 162
Except that there were hearings to this effect a couple of months or so ago, and if there was any outrage, it was short-lived. No evidence of torches and pitchforks then. What’s on ESPN now seems to be what counts….
I dont think Joe Six Pack will get angry enough over just that. It will wake them up for about ten seconds to take an interest, then it will fade when the next score is on the screen. Sports television is POWERFUL Soma.
WyldPirate @ 16
I’d say he said – he doesn’t just control it, he owns it. He just said it’s his own Police force, his … and no one else’s.
cynic @ 134
You know, I hear those who say the glass is half full and that these recent events will prove to be Bush’s undoing. I just really, really have a hard time believing that is true. News like this makes me very depressed.
may @ 158
Yep…most of them do have comments. But… there’s not enough inoculation to prepare yourself if you “go there.” Most of them are a very troubling windows to the latent racism/classism/sexism in our society.
Just be forewarned…a walk on the wild (and dispiritng)side.
Come on SUNLIGHT ~ Last Tillman (for tonight):
WH, Pentagon cite executive privilege to hold up documents on friendly fire victim.
Actually, the sports writers are VERY good reporters.
If you could get a few of them into this, they would raise holy hell. And yes, many people are into football (think SuperBowl) and what happened to Tillman. You’d see some pretty pissed off people real quick.
Hmmm, I bet KO would know just the right people to talk to re this especially given his background.
Hey Mitch!!
I’m trying to add you as a friend on FB but nothing’s happening.
Wouldja be my friend, big guy?
GabrielOak @ 163
That is exactly what I wanted to happen back in Jan/Feb. If they would’ve started impeachment hearings right away, we’d likely have so much uncovered by now that impeachment would be an easy sell. There was PLENTY of evidence already at that point to justify the hearings. Now we’re getting desparate with the clock running out soon, which could make our Dems sloppy.
It’s gonna get interesting…
Well over a million displaced, at lest a million injured on the civilian side, and at lest 3600 and counting on the military side not including contractors killed. Yet we bark at the shiny things on T.V. our eyes to sensitive to whats going on. The rule of law a memory, as is the constitution in many important respects. And only a loud outrage on the internet. And I know those that speak can only do so much, yet my wish is action not words, meaning not talking points. But its all words it seems and laws brushed aside at a whim.
james @ 174
will do. try again. I may have erased the email by accident.
One cautionary note. The best way to scuttle this whole thing would be for the WH to stonewall on something where there actually is no evidence that they did anything wrong. Make Congress fight for it, then finally surrender, and say I told you so. This would cause an instant loss of credibility for Congress with regards to all of the situations where the WH is claiming executive privilege.
Jane (nyc) @ 171
Yeah sports blogs are like the Anti FDL. As nice and level headed and tolerant as this community is, think the exact opposite for your local sports blogs. Lots of gay jokes/latent homosexuality/metrosexual posturing and crapitude on a grand scale. Every worst male behavior is on display in these comment sections. They make the wingnuts look like sensitive effete whiners.
Jane (nyc) @ 171
no need to get involved in back and forth.
lay it out then leave
happy hunting
jest tha facts maam
montag @ 167
More hearings to come: Rumsfeld ‘invited’ to testify about Pat Tillman.
If we don’t have legitimate elections in ‘08 it will be our own fault. We must insist that we have paper ballots, and WE must be in all of the precincts to monitor and count ballots.
We have a chance to get our country back, but it will take a lot of work. First, getting legislation and money for legit elections, then hard work.
What laws? The king doesn’t recognize our laws.
bonkers @ 175: The political landscape has certainly changed since January/February. And it is changing fast as we speak. Can we hope that the Judiciary Committee has been doing some homework on impeachment quietly while all the other controversies have been raging?
GabrielOak @ 183
Why I bet that thought has not crossed their collective beautiful minds.
argosfalcon @ 115
“Whatever happened to the Snowdens of yesteryear?” – Joseph Heller
Big Mitch, do you think what I posted @ 179 has any merit? Could that be why on Tillman?
james @ 140
That doesn’t make much sense either. The Bush Cabal are rolling everything in sight already. All this does is force Congress to consider inherent contempt charges first, rather than waste time mucking about with statutory contempt. It’s a very bad move if the Bush/Cheney strategy is to run out the clock on investigations.
That leads me to two speculations:
1) Bush/Cheney want to provoke a constitutional battle sooner rather than later, possibly on the theory that they’re going to win (maybe they have something else up their sleeves too), and want to make sure the win is decisive before Bush’s term runs out, or
2) Someone on the inside — a paleocon, an old Reageanite with some principles left, someone from the Baker / Pappy network, a disillusioned John Dean type, whatever — leaked it because they *want* Congress to take *effective* action.
The latter seems unlikely, but not entirely impossible.
finifinito @ 179
But that is ALL it is, posturing. It’s just guys being guys. Locker room behavior is all it is.
boxer @ 178
I sniffed this was the WH strategy about a signing statement that was provocative in tone, but really said nothing new or different.
BigMitch @ 177
Hmmm…I keep getting the main page when I click on “Add as a friend.”
No matter…the thought is what counts, yeah?
Now I’ll try for some sleep..geez it ain’t easy any more.
Keep the faith, baby.
Patrick Daniel Tillman (November 6, 1976
The year of his birth crys out for justice!
OT – been offline since FDL’s John Kerry this morning but did hear something very uplifting at dinner tonight. Six Republican women, two of whom are married to very rich Republican corporate icons in our region (no, sadly they don’t include Mrs. Dirty Harry- yet!) and quit the party in unison and have been quite open about it and joined our local Democratic organization. I wasn’t at the meeting but heard they received an exceptionally warm reception.
Lou Costello @ 181
I’ll believe it when I see Rummy in front of a Democratic Congress. *sigh*
Don’t think it will take much for Cheney to convince Bush that Rummy should not testify about anything resembling his period of government service, and that “executive privilege” should apply. Now that Bush has taken a further, deeper plunge down the rabbit hole, it makes no sense for him to retrench on this adamant view of kingly prerogative.
Besides, if Bush told Cheney that Rummy should appear, Cheney would likely need additional medical treatment of a drastic sort….
bonkers @ 149
Good point. That’s a possibility also, but even so, one assumes the White Hous thought they had something to gain from putting it out there.
Although I suppose Bush/Cheney/Rove might have thought they would get the early advantage through posturing.
I’ve been fat most of my life and have avoided locker rooms at all costs. I was damn proud to get that D in phys ed in HS so I could call the required class complete to permanently avoid places like that.
boxer @ 186
thing one, 178?
The thing (thing two) is that there is already enough on the record to suggest that the White House or at least DOD Rummy are in on it.
finifinito @ 184: It’s pretty hard to believe Conyers and the Ds actually held impeachment “hearings” — with live testimony — in the basement of the Capitol when Ds were in a hopeless state of minority back in 2005.
Alicia @ 43
I agree. It’s like saying, “Let’s make the beds and scrub the bedpans, shall we?” while a patient goes into cardiac arrest.
May says @ 181
Am completely confused by your comment. Please elaborate.
I think I want bumperstickers that say T’row da bums out!
james @ 190
If you are still here, are your initials M.C.?
Big Mitch,
Kathleen had a question for you and me at the bottom of the WINO thread which I had hoped you would answer there, concerning the way you shouted when she posted this link:
Poll: Forty percent of American voters believe the Israel Lobby has been a key factor in going to war in Iraq and now confronting Iran
This is a great website
http://www.cnionline.org/learn…..index2.htm
subsequently in that thread, you claimed she had presented inaccurate information, but never cited a source to back your contention.
the question she posed to you and me, which was her reply to my having claimed you and oddmommy do want rational discussion on this issue set was this:
Ed Teller could you provide me any evidence of Odd Mommy or Big Mitch saying that it is important to keep debate about this issue as rational as possible? I have not seen either of them write anything of the sort. Just attack when the issue is brought up.
JGabriel @ 187
Maybe they’re testing the resolve of Congress, to get a sense of solidarity within the ranks of the GOP?
I think the rethugs want to keep the number in the Senate at 60 so they can gauge the sentiment within their party for a conviction in an impeachment trial.
Getting 60 votes to go along with the Dems is only 7 away from that magic number that will convict in an impeachment trial in the Senate. Maybe they’re holding out because once they get that one vote of 60 they’ll have to start some serious damage control within the ranks to keep a trial from happening with an outcome they don’t want.
I can’t think straight any more. This is all getting very…..wearing. They’re trying to wear us down with the weight of their fuckery is what it is.
GabrielOak @ 163
Well, inherent contempt charges against MIers and/or Bolten might do that anyway. And this recent WaPo article makes that *not* such a big if anynmore.
The Tillmans are just incredible. They (especially Pat’s mother), Jim Webb, and so on are shattering the carefully contructed liberal stereotypes that have been beat into our heads for so long.
I mean, Mrs. Tillman raises a son that plays NFL football, gives up the millions to put his life on the line for the Constitution, and is a liberal atheist. You can just see the wingnut heads start start twitching, and the robot voices saying, “Does not compute.” PzzzT!
Obviously we can’t speak for him, but from the stories we’ve been hearing, I would guess that Pat Tillman would be so proud of his family. True Patriots!
Jane (nyc) @ 201
In case she is gone for the evening.. I read it as her thoughts on how to approach a sports blog thread.
BigMitch @ 202
Da.
Michael Moore is on Colbert. FYI
hunt out sports blog
post facts re Pat Tillman
leave blog
repeat facts in as many sports blogs as you can find
not just football blogs
any and all sports blogs
just a humble suggestion
BigMitch @ 197
Okay, thanks Mitch. I’m out. Hope to wake up tomorrow to headlines of Webb challenging Bush to a duel. Seriously, somebody needs to remind these people that the insecurities and fears they’ve carried around for their entire life are true. They are not worthy. They are not men.
Margot @ 198
And how are we going to do that (impeach) with a razor thin majority. A one vote majority will not get you an impeachment verdict at all.
And doesn’t he SCOTUS preside over that? We know already that Bush has the Supremes in his pocket.
BigMitch @ 86
a curse of a kind may you live in turbulent times
JGabriel @ 204: It would be fascinating to watch an inherent contempt procedure against any of those contumacious bastards.
GabrielOak @ 214
I just love legalese!!
Eureka Springs @ 207
Thanks for your input. I didn’t take it that way. It sounded like a “kiss off.” I was merely responding to an earlier question because I have a lot of experience on sports blogs.
That’s what I love about FDL…the “anti-sports blog” despite the fact that many of us are fans…hence the genesis of the blog’s name. *g*
So sorry to be such a nuisance but what did I miss today that has clearly fired everyone up? Just too tired to catch up on all the threads since I got stuck into late night work responsibilities at the galleries.
Loo Hoo – brought the spare Mac home for you if you need it in Chicago.
james @ 215
Oh that’s what it is? I thought it was porn.
OK, really now,
good night all.
Got it, Mitch, thx!
bonkers @ 218
I think that would be contumesence :)
newspaperbrat @ 218
This article in the WAPO, among so many other things.
oh, nothing much, npb. plame case was dismissed by the judge; bush essentially got rid of congress – you know, the usual fuckery
Ed*ard Teller @ 154
mmmmmm. music.
Last week was All Carmina Burana, All The Time.
Me and 125 of my closest friends sang four SMOKIN’ performances in 3 days with the Seattle Symphony. It was an amazing high.
Seems very, very long ago, though. Like a previous lifetime.
Diva
bonkers @ 217
I love WordWeb Pro
newspaperbrat @ 193
Totally good news!
Ed*ard Teller @ 202
She said 40% of the public thought such and such; it was 40% who didn’t think that, compared to 39% who did. A trivial point, I agree. I think I have proven that I am in favor of rational debate, by being rational and debating her. But her technique is to throw up facts, from biased sources, and then accuse anyone who argues against her of trying to shut her up. Plus, when I started arguing — quite rationally, if i do say so myself — a moderater asked us to not “hi-jack the thread.” So as soon as she showed up I posted a note to advise the moderater that if he or she didn’t want a debate on Israel in the middle of a thread about something else, then the moderater should speak up.
If you follow the link from the post you quoted, you will see that the question is very vague and can be interpreted as “Do you think Bush or the pro-israel lobby was a key factor….” Zogby and the people who paid for the poll are not exactly neutral sources. Pro-Israel lobby is not necessarily A*P*C to the 39% who said, yes. People who felt strongly about the question were more overwhelmingly on the NO side of the issue, Large don’t know numbers. And as we discussed at CDM on Benson, a certain number of people will say yes to anything, including body lice or Dick Cheney.
Suzanne @ 222
Nighty night.
Keep the fires burning.
james @ 220
Now if anybody starts talking about “quashing subpoenas”, I’m outta here!
james @ 227
I had put this on the previous thread, but it works really well…
If anyone wants a good laugh to offset the madness of today, take a gander at this YouTube video.
Be sure to watch all the way through…
newspaperbrat @ 216
Shorter outrage du jour …. White house to Congress: Fuck you.
OT, but on a lighter note, and apropos of nothing really, I gotta say:
That Harry Potter bittorrtent download was a *lifesaver* during the overnight Senate session. Gave me something to read while the Republicans were talking.
The WaPo article is my ‘holy fucking shit’ moment. It’s ‘L’État, c’est moi.’ It’s Bush saying ‘impeach me if you have the cojones.’
Actually, my first thought was ‘how hard will it be to get out of the US when the shit comes down?’
gds, there is a raw story link to that upthread
bonkers @ 228
How about each obligor is bound to his co-obligors in-solido with respect to third parties, but between each other, only for their viril share.
There has been a lot of legaleze on this thread. I think it is important to be clear about some definitions.
Subpoena. (From Sub, meaning under, and poena, meaning pen*s.)
“They got you by the balls.”
h/t “Amos and Andy” Honestly.
(MOD NOTE: *pen*s changed to allow through filters)
boxer @ 236
Whoa. Now I need a shower.
***
GSD: Yes, I posted a Raw Story link to a Roberts interview at 188. Very disturbing stuff, eh?
Suzanne, Wow. It is really looking like the Republic is shaking to its foundations.
-GSD
Am I being moderated?
newspaperbrat @ 217
Are you coming?
Bush has even co-opted the military in such a manner that it is acting and sounding like a wing of the RNC.
These are deadly dangerous times.
-GSD
pseudonymous in nc @ 234
It’s not that big of a shock really. Reagan did it in the early 80’s during the Gorsuch case (though Fielding eventually came to some sort of agreement with Congress).
Everyone who’s been posting about inherent contempt for the past 6 months has predicted that this was exactly the stance Bush would take with respect to enforcing statutory contempt charges against people under Bush’s ‘Executive Privilege’ protection.
JGabriel @ 152
sorry for not catching that
boxer @ 179
But wouldn’t that make the WH also look bad? What a waste of resources on all sides to stonewall when there’s nothing to hide. If there’s nothing to hide, COUGH IT UP.
But, yes, the current WH is probably more than childish enough to play such a stupid game with the entire US government just to “score” off the dems. Somehow I cling to the hope that most of the American People aren’t yet stupid enough to fall for it.
Call me delusional…
Diva
sorry, mitch, let me look.. i see there are some stuff in the filter… i apologize for not seeing that sooner
This is a test to see if the word pen*s trips the moderator trip wire.
(MOD NOTE: Yes that word tripped – I changed it with a * to allow it to pass)
mitch, you used the p word.. i fixed it and freed it
finifinito @ 156
And if you make the effort to retrieve it…YOU are supporting one that “supported terrorists” (like Hillary was just accused of doing by the Pentagon), and if YOU DO THAT YOUR ASSETS CAN BE SEIZED!
Suzanne @ 246
? y yo
Thanks Eureka Springs & all. One last uninformed question: Can we force (shame) the democrats and sympatico republicans to cancel the August break and stay in Washington for emergency sessions in both chambers to debate impeachment or at the least freeze all new funding and shut down the Executive branch by all means possible?
et, mitch asked if he was being moderated – it was because he used the word pen*s in a comment – that p word
newspaperbrat @ 248
Seems like they must.
this is a lot of work for a silly joke. :-) But the comment doesn’t seem to be freed.
Funnydiva2002 @ 245
Yes. It would be an abuse of Executive Privilege to invoke it when none of the information covered by the invocation is privileged.
Of course, it’s already an abuse, since the Supreme Court ruled in Nixon that privilege isn’t very strong except with regard to issues of national security.
BigMitch @ 235
BigMitch @ 246
these the comments mitch
I think its worth noting that this is what he was doing while Congress was rolling out the (really nice) sleep over beds and putting on their superman jammies.
Also on jammie day, he popped his head into a room full of advisors meeting (Tony snowjob and them I think, lost the link sorry) and told them something like “We are not changing our plans. Stay the course”. They were all dumbfounded to see him do that.
They better get to impeachment and it better soon. It better be swift and unannounced as they can make it. No telling what he’ll do if they keep moving at the lumbering speed they presently operate at. Just get it done.
Note to the Senators: Just keep your jammies and bedrolls handy next time and just do it. Pretend you’re one of your constituents for a day, kay? Show us you’re at least as tough as you’re expecting us to be to continue to put up with this garbage. Right now, you’re in violation of the Constitution. Stop it.
There’s no telling what he’ll decree next.
Suzanne @ 251
Then I’ll try again.
But her technique is to throw up facts, from biased sources, and then accuse anyone who argues against her of trying to shut her up.
Zogby and the people who paid for the poll are not exactly neutral sources.
You never provided sources for these contentions. I feel you owe my other friend more explanation than that, especially after having shouted at her here.
Ah yes, now I remember. Hard re-fresh to see modded and modified coments.
Seems my whole adult life we’ve been subjected various stories about mixing religion and public spaces. People want to put “…under God” in the Pledge. Some nutjob wants the Ten Commandments at the courthouse…yadda yadda yadda…
When the stories run their course, Liberals end up being the “bad guys” that hate the baby Jesus.
Why is it so hard to get on offense?!? Why can’t a Dem introduce a bill that says something like, all high schoolers will need to complete a class about the Constitution to graduate, or some other emphasis on the Constitution? This would inevitably lead to future generations never allowing our current state of affairs to happen again, since it’s all completely Unconstitutional.
C’mon Dems…Leaders lead fer chrissakes!
Mitch: Love the “subpoena” definition. Did it really see the air/light of an Amos & Andy broadcast? Radio version, or TV?
newspaperbrat @ 251
You are reading my mind. Did you see John Kerrys live thread here earlier today?
JGabriel @ 244
But it’s resolving itself down to a pure power game, and I don’t exactly know where the power to face down BushCo is coming from. Well, I can think of certain places, but I don’t see them happening.
Damm I wish I could write, to keep up with such quick hands and quicker minds. your thoughts provoke my my hands and mind but only nonsense arrives.
Stop moderating my p*nis.
-GSD
One way to support impeachment is to go to http://www.cafepress.com and use the search function using the word ‘impeach’.
You’ll find many ‘impeach bush’ tee shirts. Order one and wear it shopping, to the park, to the gym, etc. Help get the word out there!
Think of what a difference it would make if we all started standing up for impeachment in our daily lives…
CD @ 260
Yep. Radio. But he didn’t use the p word. It was more like “Poena, well we all know what dat is…” And “They got you by the you-now-whats.”
Ed*ard Teller @ 257
ET, is this directed towards me or mitch?
GSD @ 263
hmm but not going there at gun point
Myrtle June @ 256
While there’s a certain revolutionary attraction to that idea, there’s no way to impeach in a way that’s “swift and unannounced”.
I think it has to do with something called ‘due process’. And while I know that’s something Bush hasn’t respected, I don’t think I’d want to see Congress claiming the Bush monarchical mantle for themselves either.
GSD @ 264
mine moderates itself unless it takes over my brain…
We could save the moderators a lot of time if we all used self-moderating peni.
-GSD
Ed*ard Teller @ 270
Is that called Vitter syndrome?
Suzanne @ 267
I sent an earlier version and it disappeared into the toobz….
I forgot to pray to St. Ted thrice today, which explains it all.
JGabriel @ 253
You’re right.
But I was asking about Boxer’s scenario of the WH stonewalling on Tillman, then finally coughing up to prove there’s nothing and then saying “oooh, look at the Dems, so stupid of them to ask for documents, never believe them again when they say there’s ‘probable cause’”
Seems to me like it would be a heck-a stupid, childish game to play. Especially for the Monarchy of the Secret Wiretaps: “Hey, if you have nothing to hide, why _shouldn’t_ we listen to your phone calls?”
Diva
cinnamonape @ 248
Yes.
Welcome to the world of non-violent direct action enviro/animal welfare civil disobedience.
A vow of poverty isn’t obligatory…but it does crimp the deterrent power of asset seizure.
hey kirk… good to see ya
JGabriel @ 254
There is is no penalty for claiming privilege, arguing about it, and then relenting. For an abuse, you have to show harm.
St. Vitters Dance.
-GSD
P.S. Two more bridges in Al Anbar blown up.
Setting the table for civil war?
kirk murphy @ 275
fresh from reading back through this thread, yours strikes me as Yodaesque. Except it didn’t end up hanging in the air.
montag @ 124
If we write and/or call Pelosi and Clyburn and other Congress critters daily – send the same message if you don’t want to make up another, maybe we can make her listen.
Part of this makes me wonder, how much do (those that care) have to do to stop this?
JGabriel @ 268
If their vision has reached beyond the near term to something else, what? It has been said if our dreams do come true from time to time, what of our nightmares?
Ed*ard Teller @ 257
Ed, you’re a good guy to defend your friend here.
I did not yell at her. I yelled at the moderator to get his/her attention. I was very civil with her, though my last comment was a little triffling, and it adopted her own dismissive tone.
Am I mistaken or is Zogby the head of the Arab equivalent of the ADL and a tire-less spokesman for Arab causes? Is it him or his brother? The link in your post above does not work, but as I recall the poll was paid for by a pro-Arab group. I gave some of my reasons for questioning the methodology in the post you quoted.
If she comes back, or when I next see her, I will be sure to let her know that I welcome honest debate.
GSD @ 264
Fore skin and seven years ago…
BigMitch @ 265
Cute.
Can I be pedantic for a minute?
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before…
sub=under, of course
poena looks a lot like poenis, which is actually “pain” in Latin (at least in the Requiem Mass).
so, you’re ordered to show up “under pain” of further legal action.
Oh. Nevermind. “under pain”. I like the shorter, “got ya by the balls” definition better.
Diva
Big Mitch,
You’re new here. At fdl the term “yelling at her” is specific. Redd defined it back in 2005. I think it was using caps for more than a couple of words in a row. You yelled at her.
1,583 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Trex and the rest a the Firepup Patriots:
“That’s a breathtakingly broad view of the President’s role in this sytem of separation of powers.”
And who’s gunna stop ‘im?!! Where are all you folks who have been riddin’ that Chiffon elephant of the rule of law and the integrity of the courts. I hope you folks didn’t get hurt when ya fell offa that bogus pachyderm. Now that it is clear that we have a criminal lose in the White House and he has packed an already corrupted legal system, maybe we can get down to the business of reinstituting some democracy from the street and get the Democrats to apply some serious politics to this most serious of political crisis.
I don’t wanna hear anymore from the legal scolastics who are waitin for one a the angels ta come dancin’ off the head of the pin to rescue our democracy. Fascism is here folks, full blown in all it’s awful glory and there is nuthin our hollowed out legal system can do about it. We have reached this point after 200 years of the use of the law to secure the power and property of an oligarchy who first made it’s bones on slavery an then advanced into the oil business.
So don’t wait for Gadot folks and let’s cut some serious democracy loose on these bastards.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THE IDEA OF DEMOCRACY IS WORTH FIGHTIN’ FOR!!
hi suzanne – thanks!
and hi et –
I’d feel more Yodaesque if I could float the magic blue f on my comments..
(sigh :)
Guess what – the fix is already being set up for cancelling the next election. Check these two items and connect the dots.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Wo…..89-ap.html
“Pentagon criticizes Hillary Clinton for questioning Iraq
By DEVLIN BARRETT
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Pentagon told Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton that her questions about how the United States plans to eventually withdraw from Iraq boosts enemy propaganda.
In a stinging rebuke to a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Undersecretary of Defence Eric Edelman responded to questions Clinton raised in May in which she urged the Pentagon to start planning now for the withdrawal of American forces.
A copy of Edelman’s response, dated July 16, was obtained Thursday by The Associated Press. “Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda that the United States will abandon its allies in Iraq, much as we are perceived to have done in Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia,” Edelman wrote.
He added that “such talk understandably unnerves the very same Iraqi allies we are asking to assume enormous personal risks.”
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003726.php
The Bush Administration can now capture the assets of anyone that they BELIEVE
“(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.
(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to,
(i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
Sec. 2. (a) Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:
(a) the term “person” means an individual or entity;
(b) the term “entity” means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and
(c) the term “United States person” means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.”
And get tis! They can keep the people and organizations on the list SECRET…so you don’t even know…and then if you donate can have your assets seized.
And we can see that they are already painting the Democratic Party front-runner as abetting the terrorists in a material way…simply by asking the Pentagon to have a withdrawal PLAN!
This is just mind-f*cking transparent that they are going to suddenly block her assets (the little terrorist sympathizer) and that would include billions in campaign contributions.
And since all the other Democratic candidates have also enunciated their plan to withdraw from Iraq, they’d fall in the same boat (or even worse…since even asking to PLAN for a withdrawal is akin to abetting the terrorists in Edelman’s book)!
Ed, I know what yelling is. Caps=yelling since the dawn of email. But the message was not directed at her, it was directed at the moderator.
pseudonymous in nc @ 262
Agreed. That’s a worrying, even frightening, concern.
For inherent contempt charges, Congress has the power, with enforcement power by the Sargeant-at-Arms for either body. But if Bush orders the Secret Service, the federal marshalls, the DoJ (FBI), et. al. to defend the contemnor, then it’s hard to know what happens next.
I suspect it would down to the choices made by the people carrying out these orders. They’d either have to come to an agreement, with one side backing down, or they might end up firing on each other.
Believe it or not, a similiar conflict occurred during the Schiavo case. State police, following orders from Jeb, and local police, following the order from the judiciary almost traded gunfire. Either that or they all kind of looked embarrassingly at each, then away, then down at their shoes, then back at each other, and so, for something in the 2-4 hour range.
Finally, the State Police backed down, after discussing the matter with the local police. Not sure if Jeb gave the order to back down or simply acquiesed in the decision.
Of course, there’s no guarantee that a showdown between the Sergeant-at-Arms and the Bush police would be resolved that peacefully. In fact, it seems unlikely.
Mitch, instead of using caps to get the attention of a moderator, you can just post a comment asking for one of the mods to contact you by email.
My experience is that one will do so shortly after such a request.
Cinamonape, at 288 Thing one that you mention is what sent Keith Olbermann into overdrive tonight. If you missed his “Special Comment” you missed a great one.
Suzanne @ 291
Okay, that’s new info to me. Next time.
JGabriel @ 269
Well, there’s got to something more swift than saying “Okay boys we’re going to put on this big show. Get the roll-aways, don’t forget the pillow mints”.
I do realize there’s due process. I’m impatient….. and mad as hell….and weary from the wheel spinning. Pretty soon we’re going to find ourselves high-centered and he’ll sign a decree outlawing impeachment and elections. Then what?
:-)Impatience R me ;-)
bonkers @ 283
Suz moderating your ding-a-ling?
well, okay.
… but, “fixing” it and then freeing it?
ouch.
Here’s an idea. If you guys & gals like it, let’s see if we can keep it going until Christy or Jane wake-up. Pressure MoveOn, or any other progressive PAC to sponsor open letters in the papers by the Tillman’s.
Funnydiva2002 @ 274
Yep, we agree. I was just reaffirming your criticism with a different analysis.
BigMitch @ 282
I’m defending more than one friend here, friend, but you didn’t answer Kathleen’s questions. You really should. Short of that, I won’t blame her for being as concerned about your creds as you seem to be about hers. So, fix it.
nite. Got an ActBlue page to help create tomorrow for a woman who is a true Alaska hero – Diane Benson.
Kirk, go here for directions on how to get the F
There are two Zogby’s, one the pollster one the pundit for Arab-American causes.
The pollster is John and the other one is not John.
-GSD
GSD @ 300
Are they related? Or do I have to eat crow. Again.
boxer @ 296
Are you filibustering, cuz I gotta cot calling my name.
Myrtle June @ 294
Then what? At point, we would need a revolution. Or a coup of some sort. Unfortunately, it’s all beginning to look a lot like Pakistan.
Eureka Springs @ 261
I did see it and even asked him a couple of questions. Had to get to work and left when the next post went up. IIRC Kerry said he would try to complete his responses over the next day or two as his time permitted.
As an activist and participating organizer of the citizen impeachment Nixon campaigns that eventually took root I have wrongly assumed the tipping point would have been reached in this era of even a more corrupt/criminal Executive Branch. I blame the MSM Corporate villins as much as the sociopathic Prez & VICE Prez criminal cartel for what appears to a coup and takeover by the dim son and Death Cheney and their neocon toadies.
I fear if we don’t demand both houses cancel their August recess our once great nation is history/toast/finished and our troops forever stranded in an international nightmare.
Dear Rep. and former General Jack Murtha deserves our unconditional support for he seems to me to be our last best hope to rally the congress and the military to get off their sorry asses and face reality.
boxer @ 277
Point taken. None of this even gets to court without an independent prosecutor.
John is the pollster, his brother Jim heads this Arab American foundation.
-GSD
Kirk Murphy!! Where been ya? So nice to see you.
bonkers @ 302
No, I’m staying up in protest of the filibuster. Just kidding, I’ve got to get some sleep.
newspaperbrat @ 304
I heard there was some talk of keeping the Senate in session by having a 15 minute session every third day, or something like that. It would be the minimum necessary to defeat the president’s power to make recess appointments.
kirk murphy @ 287
hey there kirk-o,
try:
search the right side of this page and at about
the level of comment #18 or so you should see a box labeled “Meta”;
click ‘Register’;
do their hokey pokey;
wait for their e-mail to get your
password;
then log-in at ‘Meta’ land.
click your heels together and say,
“Mechalecka-high.
mecha hiney ho!”
three times.
you can leave out the last part.
BigMitch- OT but how is your Applebee’s campaign going (re. sponsoring O’Reilly)
Did you see my post regarding Applebees International and how their foreign branches would likely not enjoy it being known to their customers that they financially support Bill D’Os outrageous views.
http://www.applebees.com/Inter…..tions.aspx
Hi Loo Hoo -
thanks so much…so nice to come ack and find you here tonght.
i’ve been off hassling with organizational toxic messes.
blergh.
so nice to be back at the Lake.
how have you been?
Suzanne @ 278
Kirk I was so worried thought you’d been had by the ‘bugmen’ *g*
lolo
yellowdog, you forgot about scrolling down on the profile page once logged into the meta and then cut and pasting one’s f/b page URL in the box where indicated.
then you too can be f’d, kirk
From the summer of love to the summer of fear.
Looks like we are going to be exposed to a cavalcade of alleged terrorist cretins from now until November to remind us how evil and bad the terrorist threat has been.
Look at this MSNBC banner. Hearkens back to the old Charles Manson pictures.
-GSD
thanks pups –
it’s past my bedtime – but so good to be back with you….
sweet dreams..
kirk and felines
Are they related? Or do I have to eat crow
You get this week’s Dan Fagan ignorant fucking racist award for southcentral Alaska for that incredibly stupid racist remark, Mitch.
nite, pups…
cinnamonape @ 310
As you may have heard, I received a letter thanking me for my phone call (?) and saying my views would be taken into consideration when they make their advertising decisions.
So can I ask a few questions of those assembled, if that is not allowed thats fine. Heck nothing I say means much anyway, but first who at this late hour has put on the uniform?
Norske: Hot damn! Everyone of us needs to do something, no matter how small to right these wrongs. Tell a friend to check out FDL. Put an “Impeach” sign in your yard. Donate $5 to Blue America…whatever! Hopefully a groundswell could actually lead to people in the streets.
I was in Sydney, Aus in the lead up to the Iraq Invasion, and we were in huge protests taking over the streets…before it even started. Jeezus, let’s get this show on road! People are being killed IN YOUR NAME and WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS every single day and night you wait.
ask away, argo
just wanted to know no value judgments or anything.
argosfalcon @ 319
Me, but my service was no more meritorious than George W’s.
argosfalcon @ 319
No uniforms here, just facebook pages.
And where and when is the street protest YOU are organizing for tomorrow? And the links to the ones YOU have led over the last days and weeks of daily fussing and fuming at, who, Norske? Who are “You folks”? Because I’ve been hearing some seriously insulting, at best, tone in your comments. And the bit about falling off the “chiffon elephant of the rule of law” sounds a lot like you’re mocking those who have tried to find and consider ways to deal with the problems in and from the WH within the framework of the rule of law and the constitution. The framework that’s fended off nationwide Cheny/Bush/Rove style governance by the barbaric Right for, oh, a couple of centuries?
How are YOU “gonna stop ‘im”? What are YOU doing to “cut some democracy loose on these [bleep]s”? Do you have any actual, constructive plans you’d like to suggest? Because venting your bile at the “Legal Scholastics” is just not helpful. In fact, it’s beyond annoying. Especially considering what we owe the Legal Scholastics here at the Lake for keeping us informed and educated.
If you can’t come down off your high horse and join the community and discussion here, go beat up your Straw Men somewhere else.
Sheesh.
Diva
NorskeFlamethrower @ 285
OT for those who could use a laugh, especially if they either know the Right Coast or have a strong hunch:
The City That Never Sleeps
Note where DC is, and that the survey’s international.
Suzanne @ 297
Sounds kinda funny, being a teacher. People trying to get the F!
I assuemed argosfalcon wanted to know who had served in the military. I joined the National Guard, to get OUT of Viet Nam.
my uniform was that of a municipal police department, argo
Well my thoughts were in the dim past we fought for things thats are so fragile now or so I thought, and now it seems we are at the edge of losing them, or is that just an illusion. A thing of great frustration or did we just fool our selfs?
i did not know re-logging in was required to enable facebook blue f icon.
this is a test:
sorry no disrespect meant.
you do have to relog in yellowdog, if you run any program that clears cookies, you lose your f. our fdl server puts a cookie on your computer that is the f iirc.
not that I was anything I’m not. just wondering sorry
yellowdog jim @ 331
roger that.
passed test.
we have ‘f’.
10/4.
argo, no disrespect was taken – at least on this cranky end. About time for me to head off to bed, g’nite folks.
I wore the uniform of a college security officer. Semper toga!
-GSD
I attempted to put on Air Force blue back in 1995. I ended up washing out with a grade four stress fracture. *shrugs*
At least i tried, and the self discipline (and ability to thrive under pressure) is still with me today in a lot ways. It also taught me how to laugh a lot more in a weird way. I would have stayed in if i could have at that time. But no way were they keeping me with that medical ‘liability’. Now they couldnt’ get me back into the military at all. I’d do public service (i practically do with my current job anyway) in a heartbeat anyway. Just non military.
I’m outta here kids – thanks for indulging my 13-hour news blackout & my over all cluelessness. Want to catch Keith’s rant and head for bed. Try to get some rest yourselves you intrepid essential firepups! :~)
as for me its you all have become friends, and well. I can share too much.
Suzanne @ 333
thanks suzanne.
our messages waved to each other as they crossed paths.
i wonder how i lost my cookies?
(bad mental picture: sorry)
maybe my PC Tools Spyware Doctor’s scan did it.
JGabriel @ 303
I think the time is now. (But then I’ve been saying that since he announced his candidacy…. been a long, long time. Congress needs to take care of this decree signing fool post haste. It appears they did not locate the spines in the closets where they keep the really nice roll-away beds.
Pakistan….. my blood pressure just spiked right there. I don’t believe I’m allowed to post about that on here ;-)
What you say is true though. Congress is failing me and the Constitution so badly here. The Executive madman is just batzo.
GSD @ 337
“Semper toga!”
that’s funny.
I think I will hit the sack too. To all a good night!
GSD @ 337
LOL! bless ya GSD!
my eyes have closed and i am snoring.
wife says to come to bed.
i go.
well this fac is rtb night all sorry if I offend its not my intention, but old dogs.
Argos, sweetie, please stop apologizing, OK?
Things seem to have slowed down here quite a bit.
Soooo…
I’m up for whatever you’re wanting to discuss by asking questions if you’re up for staying up to ask them. OK? Hope you haven’t gone to bed yet. If you need time to compose your comments, just post a “quickie” saying that’s what you’re doing and I’ll hang around.
Fair enough?
Best,
Diva
argosfalcon @ 333
So is this the Thursday Night Massacre? Is this the tipping point? The Bush administration has now made it clear they don’t care about any laws.
This may get very interesting, so to speak, very quickly. Get what sleep you can tonight.
leslie @ 279
Ah, well, she ought to figger it out without much encouragement….
No guarantees of that, though.
newspaperbrat @ 338
g’night, npb!
would you, maybe, re-post your call-to-action vis a vis cancelling the Congress’ August Recess? I read you at #303, and you’ve got some serious cred. I think a suggestion during prime-time FDL and a linky to the toll-free capitol switchboard numbers would get some action going.
Diva
Aw, Maaaaan!
Where did everybody go?
OtherWA, did you leave, too?
Dang.
I’m still here. I was just reading the first half of the thread, ’cause I came in late.
What’s going on?
Funnydiva2002 @ 352
I’m still here, but fading fast. It’s been a loooooong day.
OK, what’s the opposite of ZED, when you’re last to post?
Other than EPU’d. That’s for when there’s a fresh post…
Alpha!
Hello?
just me and the crickets, I guess…
Nothing really going on, JG
I just hates it when everybody leaves me by myself.
Gotta have an audience for my mellifluous prose, don’tcha know!
anyway…brb, I want to see if there’s anything new on the Kerry/Blogosphere day thread…
Diva
And then what?
zed zed?
chirp :-)
Funnydiva2002 @ 355
Actually, I think it’s omega — if you’re using zed for zero, although if you’re using zed for z, then yes, I guess it would be alpha.
yeah, I hang with enough commonwealth types I just equate zed with “Z”
didn’t know it was supposed to be zero.
But omega would work, too for last comment.
Except I don’t say it “o MEEG a” like Daniel Craig in Casino Royale
The Vitter syndrome? Depends.
Wow, long thread of comments.
???
looks like my comment is awaiting moderation for some bizarre reason.
Weird.
Anyway, JG, I like omega for last comment designation.
We’ll see if I can actually outlast the 2-3 lurkers who are still here.
Yes, Karen @371. Long thread. Short front page, but the WaPo article says it all.
get it all out now people, before the Democratic Party Orthodoxy settles in for campaign season 2008, and we are ordered to support Hillary Clinton’s moderate, bipartisan, “Move America Forward” strategy.
Bush regime criminals will walk away and regroup, and Clinton will declare victory and withdaw 20% of the occupation forces, with the rest renamed as ‘peacekeepers’ and all us riff-raff will be forbidden to object to the continued carnage because that would be a ‘circular firing squad.’
all this heat about impeachment will be stifled by the (D) leadership, as they want to focus on 08 elections and gaining incremental gains.
questions like
for blatant contempt of Congress
will not be welcome at that time, because Unity behind the party of the Least Worst will be the order of the day.
Spork!
I wish I didn’t think you’re exactly right.
Sigh.
Maybe I’m just up too late.
Omega!
g’nite FDL crickets.
karen allen @ 359
In cyberspace, no one can hear you groan.
BigMitch @ 123
I’m with Big Mitch on this. But I’ll add a third lever that Congress has, namely the power of the purse. I’d suggest cutting off funds to pay the White House phone and electric bills.
That is the scariest fucking article I’ve ever read…it’s gonna be hell.
fartsinsleep @ 368
The coup occurred some time ago, IMHO. Last week, I published a Dkos diary entitled The Coup is Over but Has Not Yet Been Announced. Today, the announcement began.
These people are fascists who fully intend to establish their Fourth Reich, calling it “A New American Century.” They know that they’ve committed War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and serious violations of the Constitution and of federal law. They can pardon each other against federal crimes, but they can’t be sure that no future administration and congress will place them under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court. They are desperate men and are very dangerous.
Further reading on this stuff: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/20/02824/2041
1,582 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Wigwam and the Firepup Patriots:
welcome to our world Wigwam, some of us have been tryin’ ta warn folks about the virulent fascist gene in our chomosome string for years. This latest chapter in American fascist history began in 1981 and the was really a cintinuation of the Nixon experiment with friendly fascism. Ronnie Reagan was a likeable character as opposed to Tricky Dick and when he went to Bitberg and exhonerated the SS over their graves the whole generation of America Firsters and Kryto Nazis like Prescott Bush and Henry Ford were dancin’ in hell.
The only way we beat these folks is with democracy from the street and we hafta start organizin’ this summer for the post Labor Day putch that is surely comin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THE ONLY CURE FOR THREATENED DEMOCRACY IS MORE DEMOCRACY!!
Good morning, pups. The NYT has Bobo writing something about communication, maybe… Beats me. See if you can figure out what he’s trying to say. Paul Krugman writes about “All the President’s Enablers,” and makes a veiled reference to Bobo’s puff piece of a few days ago.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got some pecan coffee cake today. It’s Friday! Have a good one.
Good morning!
I wonder if the President’s new decree could be used to freeze Saudi Arabian assets? I mean 15 of the 9/11 Hijackers were Saudis and I heard the majority of foreign Al Quieda captured in Iraq these days are Saudi.
Plus where is Al Queida getting its money from these days? I would sucspect that if your willing to fight and die then you must be willing to donate money. So if the majority of foreign fighters are Saudia then it stands to reason that THEY are giving Al Quieda the most money.
Bush could freeze their assets in the middle of the night and use that as leverage to get the Saudis to control their borders and stop Al Queida from sliping through.
But of course I’m dreaming Bush does not have the guts to do what is necesary to win this war. He didn’t send in enough troops like General Shinski wanted. Only when the situation was hopeless did he sent in the Surge.
I gave up a long time ago on us winning the war even before I found out about Judy Miller’s lies.
Which truth to tell I bought hook line and sinker. I wonder how many solders in Iraq volunteered because of Judy. I hope she has nightmares, lying to get men to die is as low as you can go.
Good Morning Everybody!
Thanks Marion and egregious@373 and 374 for the good wishes.
371 comments read this morning and the tears are still rolling down my face. So it is good to receive comfort from the FDL community in this dire, dire moment.
There are presently 13 screens of comments to the WaPo articles. Have not read all thirteen, but the ones I did read, basically all say:
IMPEACH.
I hope this is a sign that we are not alone in our outrage and fear.
Morning People! The goodness is yet to be determined. I am deeply concerned by developments inre the unitary executive. Early visit to the VA so my stay is brief…
What do you want to bet that Bush will first go after some low level Al Quieda types and freeze their assets to build up popular support and then he will go after the whole antiwar movement. But he won’t think of touching the Saudi’s money.
Bush has been fighting and lying to build up support for his war as if the American people were the enemy. Maybe we are the enemy after all without lies about WMD and Mushroom Clouds, and Nonexistant Iraq ties to Al Quieda does anyone really think we would be at war with Iraq?
Good morning. Thanks for the goodies, Marion.
Any reaction from Capitol Hill yet?
It’s still small-ish hours here in the Upper Left Hand Corner of the US, but even tired I’m not getting to sleep.
Any comments on this?
Looks like those unreliable touch-screen voting systems will be around even longer than anticipated. And what a weird combination of lobbies to keep them around.
Sigh.
Diva
Any AG with the slightest sense of integrity for their job would have resigned receiving an order from the White House about what kinds of cases to prosecute or not. I think even John Ashcroft would have.
In fact, I think Ashcroft is the only person who can do anything to stop this train; otherwise I think this slips under the MSM radar as too complicated. If Ashcroft makes a big deal and “Bush’s own former AG says the current one must resign to maintain his integrity inthe face of this political order”, the MSM will find a way to cover it.
This is the moment for John Ashcroft to step up and say something. Even my own head is reeling from the thought of the republic needing John Ashcroft…
The question is: is this Congress the Russian Duma of 1917, or the English Parliament of 1688?
When history is written, they are going to say that Americans stood by idly as their democracy turned to dictatorship.
More executive orders
Maybe we should be faxing copies of this story to our congress people.
Professor Foland @ 380
howdy prof foland! hope all is well with you and your family.
do you think there is any reason to have hope that ashcroft will say anthing?
Blue State @377
hang in there!
Hugs from one red head to another.
Diva
I have been saying for months we are living in a facist state.
The coup was not a violent one, nor a quick one. They knew the people would fight back if they understood what was going down.
So we the people are like lobsters tossed into a crock and slowly brought to a boil. We are unable to do anything about our slow death. And if we wake up we are unable to fight.
The folks believed that the constitution would protect their inalienable rights. It won’t, and it hasn’t.
These thugs have used the government for one and only one thing… to be richer and more powerful. It’s all they care about.
We don’t have a health insurance crisis in this country. We have a HEALTH crisis. We don’t need insurance companies. They don’t provide health care. Why do we even have to consider THEIR interests… which are profits and profits only.
Like so many rightwing capitalists all they think about is extracting money from others. Leeches that lot. They don’t know how to work.
Recently that villian, CEO of CitiGroup had the audacity to claim he worked for his billions. What sort of work was that?
Going OT.
The american experiement has failed.
Time for a new one.. a new constitution and a regime change… and not with the corrupt voting system which is nothing more than a profit engine for the PR industry and the hangers on.
so just to be slightly snarky…
is it really a Thursday Night Massacre if all the DOJ officials with integrity have ALREADY resigned over _other_ WH shenanigans?
I mean, who’s left at a high enough level to matter?
Diva
Hi Everyone, Check out the Congressional Schedule.
Let’s hope this gives them time to plan the cure for the Constitutional Crisis.
Like I’ve said, impeachment has to start with Gonzales. Otherwise, there’s no way to get the evidence against Bush/Cheney, among other things.
Jesus.
USA’s are “extensions of the President’s will”? What is Bush, Pharaoh?
I mean that’s it. Impeach. Remove.
Has anyone else noticed that Bush talks alot about the American people loosing the will to fight kind of like the Nazis did who didn’t understand Nietzche when they read it.
This new decree seems aimed at the subversive elements who are preventing him from winning the war in Iraq. Just like all those laws the Nazis made against the Jews to get rid of the subversive element that was keeping the OverMan/Superman down.
Bush when Nietzche talked about going beyound Good and Evil and making your own Moral Code he was NOT saying Choose Evil.
Rather he thought you should think and choose for yourself your own morality rather than rely on what other people and churches think you should do.
We are free to choose most people who do choose to be moral do so because they want to. They don’t pretend at morality and lie to get people to do things they don’t and wouldn’t do unless they were lied to.
A true Overman/Superman might find lying necesary sometimes but only in a moment of weakness. Your entire war is weak Bush.
You could not convince the American people with the truth to get US to go to war and even after your lies have been found out you keep lying. Its people like you Mr President who keep the TRUE OVERMEN/SUPERMEN DOWN!
I guess Gonzo won’t be testifying next week. I would say that Congress could expect a letter from the President on Monday claiming Executive Priviledge.
Boston1775 @ 387
House Not In Session.
OK, guess all we all better get on the phone and tell them to get their a**es back to work!
What time do you think the staffers start answering phones?
Diva
Diva, I’m trying to fathom the depth of trouble we’re in this Summer.
Does anyone have a link to the full Congressional schedule for the rest of this Summer?
Lt General William Odom has a new op-ed out at FT:
my bold.
Mornin’ all!
Al The Spook with a new post at Ravings:
Polonium On The Potomac: Wheeeee! Edition
Will blog more as events unfold and I can squeeze out the time.
Boston1775 @ 393
As are we all, Boston. We knew it was bad, but this? Whew.
As for the congressional schedule for the rest of the summer…I was going to give you props for finding the link you did!
But aren’t they traditionally recessed during August?
Time to get VERY serious about keeping their a**es at work and noses to the grindstone instead. If this ain’t an emergency, I don’t know what would be…
Besides which, the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan won’t get the month off!
Diva
althespook @ 396
Thanks, Al!
Diva
Whaddaya know? Bedlam really IS dreaming of rain!
Generation Chickenhawk: The Unauthorized College Republican National Convention Tour
Wow, this was a hell of a “Friday news dump.”
And in the summer too. I guess they hope Congress [and the ‘Merican people] will be even sleepier than usual.
newspaperbrat @ 193
What region of the country are you in?
update on pakistan from mcclatchy:
selise @ 402
I thought the “Four more wars” saying before the 2004 election was just a saying. “Nah,” I said. “He wouldn’t have time to start four more wars,” I said. I should have slapped myself silly.
Selise@ 402 Pakistan is being subverted by Al Quieda from within it seems President Bush is going to get his wish about invading a country with WMD.
If Al Queida gets Pakistans Nukes it will be President Bush’s fault baecause he did nothing to get Ossama for all these years when he had a chance. ” Only an idiot fights a two front war. Only the king of Idiots fights a war on multiple fronts.” Ambasador Londo from Bablyon 5
I wonder How Holy Joe feels about Al Quieda taking over Pakistan a country with nukes and missiles. Can Pakistan’s missiles hit Israel? Israel must be regreting supporting Bush’s war on terror this is not good news.
Greetings from EPUville. What time does the revolution start? Gotta go to the hardware store and get a new pitchfork. The chickenhawk College Republican couldn’t get my last one out of his ass so I let him have it. Eww, didn’t want it back anyway.
things come undone @ 403
and if we start bombing civilian populations in pakistan?… well, a bad situation may be about to become worse.