The government has concluded its case against Jose Padilla and yesterday, to no one’s surprise U.S. District Court Judge Marcia Cooke refused a defense request for directed verdict of not guilty. Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Frazier claimed “I think it is a very tightly knit conspiracy.”
Indeed there has been a tightly knit conspiracy but not the one Frazier is trying to portray.
The conspiracy – and one doesn’t need 300,000 wiretaps to expose it — is between President Bush, his chosen legal representatives – former Attorney Generals John Ashcroft, former Deputy AG James Comey, current AG General Alberto Gonzales and the representatives in a Miami Federal courtroom prosecuting the case against Jose Padilla — Frazier, John Shipley, Russell Killinger and Stephanie Pell. It is a conspiracy to commit of a travesty of justice. A conspiracy of dunces.
On the day Padilla’s capture was announced to the American public by then Attorney General Ashcroft via satellite from Russia (n doubt during KGB Heritage Month,) took its brand new “John Yoo Constitution” out for a test drive. Ashcroft flat out accused Padilla of being “an al-Qaida operative…exploring a plan to build and explode a radioactive “dirty bomb.” Bush immediately followed by declaring Padilla an “enemy combatant.” Two years later those charges vanished, just like Superman’s nemesis Mr Mxyzptlk (pronounced mix yez pittle ick) used to appear and disappear into the Fifth Dimension.
Next Deputy Attorney General James Comey stepped up to the microphone with
with his own take on Padilla’s guilt – saying Padilla had been planning to use gas stoves to explode high rise apartment buildings in the United States.
This did, however, present Comey with a conundrum:
The challenge of the Padilla case, for me as the United States Attorney, was the absence of a hammer. If I can’t credibly threaten criminal charges, no lawyer in the world is going to tell their client to talk to me, because any good lawyer would know, what I’m sure Mr. Padila’s lawyers knew, that if you just clam up, they can’t do anything with this.
The United States Supreme Court stepped in and gave Padilla and his now available legal counsel a get-out-of-jail outline of the legal steps he should take to be freed. Presto! Comey’s exploding gas stoves charges were mooted
Alberto “I don’t recall…remembering” Gonzales then substituted brand new charges – Padilla was part of a conspiracy involving, “murder, kidnaping and maiming.” Prosecutors Frazier Shipley, Killinger and Pell were given their marching orders. They saluted smartly.
Here’s the “hard evidence” the defense has to neutralize:
1. The prosecution produced an Al Qaida training camp application form (no College Board or SATs required) which, miracles of miracles, has allegedly been entrusted to an English-only speaking and reading CIA agent in Afghanistan, by a mysterious stranger, along with a truckload of documents in Farsi or Sanglechi Ishkashimi. The CIA agent then managed to pluck out from this plethora of paper one single document: Padilla’s signed application form along with, what was later discovered, were his fingerprints. Of course, those fingerprints could have been placed anytime during the three-and-a-half years Padilla was in custody, as no chain of evidence was ever presented by the prosecution for the form.
2. The prosecution has in its possession 300,000 wire taped conversations involving Padilla’s two alleged co-conspirators Adham Hassoun and Kifak Jayyousi, of which 230 were the core of its case. Only 21 of these 300,000 make reference to Padilla. Of these the government produced 7, count ‘em 7, phone calls with Padilla’s voice and not one making a reference to the charges he was indicted on “murder, or kidnaping or maiming.” The government claims the conversation were in code but produced witnesses who, without a code book, and could only guess as to the meaning of certain words.
3. There is, however, a wiretap conversation of Padilla’s alleged co-conspirators, Adham Hassoun and Kifah Jayyousi discussing a CNN interview with Osama bin Laden they had seen on television interview – which Padilla never heard or discussed.
4. And finally, a government favorite “terrorism expert” who never had one word to say about the three prisoners in the dock. Instead Rohan Gunaratna recited old shibboleths once-a-terrorist-always-a-terrorist (Revolutionary War historians take notice.)
Ashcroft, then Comey, and now Gonzales, Frazier, Shipley, Killinger and Pell have built a case on fantasy, supposition, prejudice and fear mongering. Can the defense make the jury see the shocking inadequacies of the prosecution’s case? Will they be able to separate Padilla’s treatment and the “evidence” against him from the case against Hassoun and Jayyousi?
The defense begins tomorrow. Stay tuned.
(with Christopher Austin)



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zed!
ZED? from Taos NM?
dos?
Lewis!!!
Can’t wait to see this unfold. Miscarriage of justice (or the lack of thereof) anyone?
CTuttle at 4
Knew you’d be here. Thanks. ;-)
Troll attack alert last thread, I think. WTF?
I’m sticking with the strategy of not talking about 9/11.
After they’re impeached, I think we should
declare Cheney and Bush enemy combatants and
subject them to the same mind-destroying
sensory deprivation (tested and proven by our
very own CA) that Jose Padilla was subjected
to.
For a rundown of the techniques, google Naomi Klein and Jose Padilla.
I wondered if it was something I said.
Lew, somethin’ ain’t right tonight.
#9.. why Naomi Klein?
As far as I can tell, the prosecution strategy amounts to the same thing as shrub’s foreign policy: “9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11! fear! fear! fear! brown people are coming!”
cc in nm at 9
That is an astonishing article! I can’t imagine why I’ve never run across it. Thank you…and I’ll be buying her book when it comes out.
LS at 1
What’s wrong?
Judge Cooke didn’t even take the motion under advisement and render a ruling after a period of time? She summarily dismissed it? Thanx, again for your tireless efforts(and Rachel’s)!!!
CTuttle at 15
Rachel take the bar next week.
I think I’m gonna go to the bar.
as no chain of evidence was ever presented by the prosecution for the form.
huh?
please tell me his lawyers made appropriate objections, for preservation on appeal.
The government claims the conversation were in code but produced witnesses who, without a code book, and could only guess as to the meaning of certain words.
again, proper objections were made?
hi lew!
Lew Koch @ 14
I don’t know. Maybe nothing..carry on!! Great post!
CTuttle at 15
More Friday on Judge Cooke’s “judicial temperament” or lack there of.
I wonder where the good Judge is hiding her kangaroo? It doesn’t look like Padilla has any opportunity for justice…
Can we commission some artists to redo lady justice sporting a clown-nose?
-GSD
Strangely quite tonight.
jayt at 18
More on the “code talkers” in the posts to come
Lew Koch @ 16
Right on, Rachel! I wish her the best of luck!!!
But, Cooke didn’t even consider the merits of the motion for summary judgment???
The Wingnut motto is “If You Can’t Blind-em with Brilliance then Baffle-em with Bullshit”.
That’s all they got.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 17
I think I’m gonna go to the bar.
It’s hard for a lawyer to pass
a, err, THE bar.A good article on the Padilla Klein reference from #9 http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..41,00.html
LS @ 7
Hi Lew! It’ll be interesting to hear the defense approach Friday. Got guesses?
LS, what number on the troll attack? My lap is down and had to forfeit my daughter’s computer to my daughter!
GSD @ 22
…perhaps they just substituted the blindfold for a Saudi-style hajib.. covers all parts of the body, just as a good fundie would require, except for the eyes.
The picture of Jose Padilla chained and with sensory deprivation, being taken to the dentist, said every thing about the Republicans. Of all of the crimes that these people have committed, that one picture said it all. Maybe the fact that the US 1996 War Crimes Law contains the death penalty is not such a bad thing. I think Howie Klein came to the same conclusion.
jayt @ 27
It’s hard for a lawyer to pass
a, err, THE bar.I take it you’re speaking from personal affliction err experience??? ;-)
Lewis, has there been any convictions resulting from a real terrorism case? WE had the first one up here in Detroit and it turned out to be a disaster for the gov’t.
I just came across this http://www.alternet.org/story/57001/
Thoughts?
argosfalcon @ 22
I think people are beat from the all-nighter. My daughter’s computer crashed so I slept.
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Hey LooHoo!! Well, there are a bunch of different names posted all of a sudden. Not the usual…I’m just watching. Maybe nothing, maybe something. Not sure. But, what do I know. I’m glad you’re here, and I’m really glad Lew is here!
Makes sense am kind of moving toward an early evening myself.
CTuttle @ 32
astounding powers of observation.
yeah, that’s it.
All–
Judge Cooke was able to squeeze out of dealing with Padilla’s torture and imprisonment by saying essentially, all that happened before the present conspiracy charges. She says she’s not interested, that was all in the past. Which is nonsense because the conspiracy was “continuing” before Padilla was arrested, during his time without an attorney, and while he was in the Naval brig for 3 and 1/2 years. Not my table, she claims and many, many think she’s morally, if not legally wrong.
Steve-AR at 31
That picture haunts me.
LS, gonna have a peek. Please excuse me, Lew.
Assurance of a fair impartial trial assumes the judge in the case has no bias, no political motivations (or loyalties) and no ax to grind. That’s a lot of assumptions.
Thanks Lewis for the reporting and analysis about this case, which has been hard to find anywhere other than FDL.
Why would Chris Matthews have a known liar and fabricator like Judy “I was fucking right” Miller on his program to talk about Al Queda?
Unless you want to be lied to.
Who in the hell would believe anything Judy Miller has to say? She is drowning in the Iraqi peoples blood.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
Lew Koch @ 39
Considering that everything you’ve ever done in your life until Now brought you to Now, it is strange to consider your past irrelevant. How about the Judge’s past, her education, her experience…is that irrelevant, Now???
Ford Prefect at 34
Two in Albany who the G scared the shit out of with terribly long prison sentences. The basic issue is that all those prosecutors I mentioned in at the top of the piece are standing there with their flys open and no real restroom in sight.
LS at 45
In my estimation Judge Cooke will go along to get along. She switched political parties when it became obvious the Republicans were in the the long haul in Florida. More on her Friday.
argosfalcon @ 33
An accurate portrayal of a true Ship of Fools.
I’ve known enough of them to believe that the article just wrote itself.
I don’t know if most folks realize this, perhaps they do. But George Bush and Karl Rove have been ‘packing’ the Federal Courts for several years. And I’m not talking about the Supreme Court.
Lew Koch @ 39
Maybe the jury will have the sense to see through their lame case. Does or will Padilla be able to have any recourse against the government for the torture?
Lew Koch @ 39
From what you’ve reported here (and thank you) it seems that there is little evidence of Padilla being involved in a conspiracy with either of the other defendants.
However, since all co-conspirators are equally liable for the acts performed in furtherance of said conspiracy, this is terribly important for Padilla. Hopefully, his atty’s will have issues well covered in jury instructions, and might even consider submitting specialized verdict forms for submission to the jury.
Oklahoma kiddo at 49
Bush owns the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals — the court that oversees Cooke. They slapped her down once and wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
The Republican Congress during Clinton’s era allowed many, many of Clinton’s appointees to languish so that there was a large deficit going into the Chimpy Era. Another point where the Repuds outfoxed the Dems.
-GSD
Check it out, FDL pioneers blog-based coverage of government affairs and others follow suit.
jayt at 51
You are painfully and frighteningly correct.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
isn’t judge-packing some kind of slur?
Lew Koch @ 39
What do you know about Judge Cooke? Has she had other high profile cases? Who appointed her? Has she mishandled other cases in the past? What is her rate of being overturned?
Lew Koch @ 40
And I am not sure why..I have seen much worse. It may be the fact that they released the picture. Maybe torture has become ordinary or maybe it was a warning. “See what we can do to an American Citizen and nobody cares.”
Steve-AR @ 31
Perhaps the Padilla garb is the appropriate attire for the newly defiled lady justice.
Darkblack?
-GSD
punaise @ 56
Foley me once.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
Sad to say, isn’t it OKK, that we have to question what has happened to our system of justice. So sad and un-American.
Hugh at 57
Cooke is new to the Fed bench. She was a public defender, then switched to prosecutor, caught Jeb Bush’s eyes who recommended her to George.
She is temperamentally totally unsuited for a high profile case. She has had her marshalls threaten arrested of any reporter talking to an attorney in her courtroom (when the jury is out, naturally) even to check the spelling of a name. In more than four decades of courtroom coverage, I never ran into that.
In the immortal words of Alfred Hitchcock: “Good evening.”
GordonM @ 48
When I read this I thought perhaps it was a bit over the top, on reflection it fits so well, but I like a reality check unlike the true believers which the article describes.
LS, I don’t see anything on the last thread that is threatening. Just read the last ones, though.
Lew Koch @ 62
Say Wha???????????
Lew Koch @ 62
That’s so wack! And possibly unconstitutional behavior. I am not sure who the aggreived party is. It sounds like an infringement on the right to a public trial, though, admittedly, this is a novel interpretation.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
If nothing else, these people are patient and good at long range planning. The the Federalist Society is the cesspool where the subversion of our legal system originates. On it’s web site it proudly proclaims its 25th year.
This whole entire trial seems like a huge exercise in INJUSTICE.
Lew, thanks for keeping us informed. What do we now with the information?
Loo Hoo. @ 65
okay.
My opinion is certainly not of a lawyerly nature; but I think these prosecutors ought to be ashamed of themselves. I don’t care WHAT the evidence or charges are, but it’s shameful to prosecute a man after holding him in a torture chamber on American soil for 3 years. Shameful and cowardly.
I’ll just consider the Miami federal prosecutors to be shameful cowards.
Ghostman
Lew Koch @ 46
This administration is the gang who couldn’t shoot straight. They f*** up everything they touch and have created their own Orwellian double-speak.
What’s hilarious about these intellectual midgets is that they managed to fool an entire nation into believing they were the opposite of what they claimed.
What’s sad about this situation, is that these ba*tards turned Homeland Security into a get rich quick scam. The private sector has made billions while the country is probably less safe.
sorry lou for the OT, great post again, i read them all……..and learn……..really.
but can’t wait up for late night to post, am going to bed……..
tavis smiley has a series on pbs all this week-jonathan demme took his cameras to new orleans-just watched last night’s……..a series on new orleans, and what is left…..is quite something………..i hope you all watch it………
P.J. Crowley, Center for American Progress and former Pentagon Spokesman rips White House a new oriface on Keith Olbermann tonight.
Big Mitch at 67
It pissed a hell of a lot of reporters off who thought it was so — you should pardon the expression — Bush League. But hey, you should have seen Julius Hoffman at the Conspiracy 8/7 trial — Abbie Hoffman “owned” Julius — who he kept referring to as “Uncle.”
Evening, Big Mitch. How big are you?
TexB at 69
Take a leaf from the old Chicago playbook – Vote Early, Vote Often.
Lew, I don’t see this being covered elsewhere, even on the blogs. Why?
Well little Nemo is off to dreamland, night all (subject to revision).
argosfalcon @ 79
good night to nemo :)
Loo Hoo. @ 78
There are some over at the Agonist very interested in the issue. It’s very, very hard to learn anything. Lew’s coverage is the best I’ve seen, but often there’s very little “news” conveyed.
Lew – will there be more to say after this is all over?
Loo Hoo at 78
Well, perhaps it was like buying a pig in a poke. I wanted to write about it and Jane thought the trial was important. I do know that several blogs have picked up on my stuff, and that pleases me.
Loo Hoo. @ 76
Big = Generous of Spirit, as in “That’s mighty Big of you Mitch.”
Lew Koch @ 75
Uhhh, how did that conviction hold up on appeal?
LS@36 I assume you mean me! I am totally non threatening, I will make my face page profile page public, read it and see for yourself. Recently delurked, however…
Gordon M at 81
A fine blog called “Southern District of Florida blog” run my David Markus has had is finger on the trial from the very beginning.
Consider this a guest appearance.
I tried, repeatedly, to explain to you all during the Libby trial that the the rules, regs and laws which govern federal criminal trials greatly favor the prosecution. And b/c of that federal criminal trials are not “dramas,” that the judges appear to be on the prosecution team, and you should always bet (in a sure bet kind of way) that the defendant is going to be convicted.
Unlike the Libby case, which I followed (AND CALLED PERFECTLY THROUGHOUT AND STILL HAVEN’T BEEN THANKED FOR), I haven’t followed the Padilla case in great detail. But I don’t have to.
What is happening in the Padilla case isn’t different from what happens to defendants everyday – rulings (whether on motions, regarding evidence/testimony) that seem to go out of their way to give the government the benefit of any doubt; judges seeming to engage in sophistry to reach the conclusions that give the government the benefit of the doubt.
There is nothing particularly “shocking” or “different” about what Mr. Koch describes as taking place in the Padilla trial compared with what took place in the Libby trial, or what takes place every day in federal criminal court. It’s modern criminal law.
There are obviously differences between the Libby prosecution and the Padilla prosecution, particularly with regard to the strength of the evidence/testimony and whether any reasonable person could find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
But the strength of any evidence/testimony is a very different issue than whether it gets to come in, and how the government wants it to come in. And, seemingly without fail, it always comes in how the government wants, regardless of the tortured logic that a judge may have to use to reach that decision, b/c, coming full circle, the rules, regs and law greatly favor, if not insist upon, it coming in.
So, you shouldn’t be surprised that the government gets to make its case how it wants to make it, or that judges invariably make rulings that allow that.*
________________________________________
I can’t say that defendants never win motions or have objections sustained. What I will say is that when defendants do win it most often is in such a way that the gov’t’s case is not particularly effected.
Since no one else said it I will ….. thanks EPU
Lew Koch @ 75
Were you there Lew? A friend and I cut classes two days in a row to watch the proceedings. The second day on our walk to the courthouse we encountered at least two and possibly three “free lance” street photographers taking our pictures as we approached the building. It was very creepy as was Judge Judas Julius.
Big Mitch at 81
All of the Conspiracy 8/7 had their trial verdicts overturned.
And there have been some here who have urged me to write something a lot longer, and yeah, I’m thinking about it seriously.
TexB – Thank you. And you are welcome.
Lew Koch @ 82
Me too. This arrest and the use of Jose Padilla as a tool is frightening. It’s always brown people…
Big Mitch. Good for you for your generosity!
nonplussed @ 85
No. You have every right to delurk. Not what I was referring to. Not my call. I’m just like you.
nonplussed @ 85
Welcome!
From the WaPo:
Morford Named To No. 2 Spot At Justice Dept.
Anybody know anything about this guy? I’ve never heard of him.
He’s McNulty’s replacement.
.
Did they explain how they came up with the number
300,000? That sounds like an impossible number unless they were being very creative.
newspaperbrat at 89
Yeah, there most of the time. It was the single greatest trial I ever covered, bar none.
EPU at 87
Nothing has shocked me at the trial. What I am shocked about is the passivity with which the trial has been greeted, the lack of outrage at the most corrupt Department of Justice in the history of this nation and the lack of bodies, protest bodies clogging the streets in anger at a President who has become a law unto himself.
Loo Hoo. @ 94
jayt @ 51
Doesn’t Cooke have the final say so on what jury instructions and/or verdict forms shall be submitted? Sorry, I had to step out for a bit!!!
Welcome nonplussed.
Ford Prefect at 96
300,000 is THE number. Can you imagine the number of FBI trainees who had to listen?
GSD @ 60
Double Groan!!!
CTuttle at 99
I think EPU answered that. Judge Cooke will issue instructions any damn way she pleases and pleases the 11th Circuit reactionaries.
I think this jury would have to grow a giant pair to let Padilla off.
Lew Koch @ 101
Can you imagine anyone making 300000 phone calls?
Lew Koch @ 101
What I can’t imagine are two guys making 300,000 phone calls.
nonplussed @ 98
Aloha, the more the merrier!!! 8-)
Fern at 104
Those were also calls for carry out falafel.
EPU, what is up with you? When I first came here, I considered you to be one of the FDL heros. What I’ve read in the last few days has been a bummer. To wit:
There is nothing particularly “shocking” or “different” about what Mr. Koch describes as taking place in the Padilla trial compared with what took place in the Libby trial, or what takes place every day in federal criminal court. It’s modern criminal law.——
How in the world can you compare Padilla’s trial with Libby’s? Where is Padilla’s legal defense fund of $5 million? Where are his white house connections? Where are his Novaks and Millers?
Where is Bush’s incentive to give a commutation?
You lost me.
Please re-read Evil Parallel Universe at 87 and you have an insight into the daily madness of the Padilla trial.
Lew Koch @ 107
Pitaful, just pitaful.
Lew Koch @ 97
Damn, Lew, I’m so with ya on that outrage! It is truly a sad commentary on our ‘Fourth Estate’!!! We really need to wake them up!!! However, I know I’m only preaching to the choir, here at the Lake!!! Have I properly thanked you, yet, for you dedication??? *g*
Fern @ 104
You don’t live with teenagers, do you?
An ignorant Aussie at it again. What do I google to find out about the 8/7 conspiracy you have mentioned.
It bothers (but no longer surprises) me that the outrage at the problems with justice (torture etc) seems so limp(not here of course). I always believed that the US was so strong is this area and that all the people were too. Very sad.
Thank you Lew, I have been following everything about Padilla since his torture first came to light.
Loo Hoo –
B/c the way the judge’s treat defense motions or objections are the same in almost every federal criminal trial, and they invariably rule in the gov’t’s favor. I’m not commenting on the “quality” of the points raised in the motion or the objection, just what the invariable result will almost invariably regardless.
I’m not saying I think it is a good thing that the rules, regs and laws are like that; just that they are like that with seeming disregard for the strength of motion/objection.
I don’t think Libby should have won any of his motions/objections. But the point I was making during the Libby trial, and here, is that regardless of whether motions/objections have merit, the defense almost invariably loses in federal criminal court (and I assume state criminal court as well though I have less experience there).
Shorter me: That’s our legal system.
Lew Koch @ 103
That doesn’t bode well for Lady Justice! Sorry, I had some errands that needed to be tended to!!!
Loo Hoo at 108
I may be stepping into an area I don’t belong but let me explain how the law, especially federal law is stacked in favor of the Government. (The exception is, say, Chicago, where you can bribe the judge to get off — even for murder.)
There is a 75 year old peace advocate who must weigh 102 lbs. She’s been arrested all over the place and given “stay away” orders which she violates whenever she pleases. The last time she was in court — with a lawyer from the Lawyers Guild — the jury went out to deliberate her case. The judge (a Bush appointee) said to the woman, “I don’t know why I shouldn’t just lock you up now.” (She had three other contempt of court violations pending from other stay away orders.” This arrogant piece of crap judge has the audacity to say that — who can have respect for the law then. The good news is the jury came back four hours later and found her not guilty. I think they call that jury nullification.
From the GOP to George and the neocons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
TexB @ 112
707!!! Merely a week or two of calls!!! ;-)
The judge won’t issue instructions “any damn way she pleases,” but she will rely on precedence in the circuit, and invariably they will favor the gov’t.
it really was.
Thanks, EPU.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 114
I agree, it’s an almost impossible burden whenever the full resources of the Federal government are brought against an individual.
allan_in_upstate @ 95
Morford has something of a high-profile background — he led the prosecution of former Rep. James Trafficant (D-OH) and the Department’s 2004 internal review of how prosecutors handled the case of three men accused of being part of a terrorist “sleeper cell” in the Detroit area.
Lew – Feel free, step in. I didn’t write anything above I haven’t written here before about federal criminal law during the Libby trial.
After the government’s case, the defendant makes a motion for a judgment of acquittal. In thirty years, I have never seen one granted. The best is that the judge takes it under advisement, and hopes that the jury acquits so that he doesn’t have to.
One time, as I stood up to make the motion and started towards the podium the judge, who had some time pressures, I guess, just said, “Mr. S. I am just going to let the record reflect that you have made all possible motions on all possible grounds. Denied.”
The don’t waste time on defendant’s rights in Federal Court.
Lew Koch @ 109
You’re right, Lew, on this. EPU merely stated the obvious. Not just Federal cases. The Judge expects prosecutors to have their shit together and, although the game isn’t exactly rigged, the defendant is always playing against house odds. But I’ve seen instances of judges getting fed up with prosecutors, especially if they see too much overt testilying.
300,000 phone calls. Somebody’s gotta call them on this horseshit…
Debbie(aussie) @ 113
Try the Chicago Seven! I may be mistaken, having been only a preteen back then!!!
O/t but pertinent to recent threads -
Wrt the all-niter-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
If you click back to the WaPo front page, notice the difference between the two headlines:
“Dems Won’t Force War Vote” vs. “Republicans Block Bill on Troop Withdrawal”. Interesting, that.
Big Mitch @ 125
which makes Bush-packing all that much worse.
Ford Prefect at 123
From what I’ve read about that case it was an complete and utter disaster and brought about congressional hearings. There was interference everywhere. I wish I had the time to dig deeper. I’d love to have this congress take a good deep look at this guy.
OT
What do you think of rhfactorusa’s thesis that in order to educate and win swing votes, progressives bloggers must begin deliver their message via video?
The Facts About Libby On Hardball – Marcy Wheeler
Anatomy of Deceit – Jane and Marcy
Organizing townhall video network – take one
This is your brain on politics watch it
OT, my son just showed me this from Mad Magazine:
Mad Magazine– Reasons Not to Impeach & Convict President Bush
Reasons Not to Impeach & Convict President Bush
* It won’t bring Anna Nicole back to life, so why bother?
* Chuck Norris is a loyal Bush supporter, and we all know what happens when Chuck Norris gets angry.
* Because “President Cheney” is one of the signs of the apocalypse.
* The only basis for impeachment is found in the Constitution, which was invalidated in 2002.
* Impeachment hearings could preempt the reality shows America loves so much.
* If Bush is removed, Air America hosts will lose their #1 topic, and the whole network will become irrelevant.
* Hey, lay off the guy! Unless you’re poor, black, elderly, gay, female, middle class, or a veteran, what’s he ever done to you?
* The last time we impeached a President, his poll number actually went up and his wife was elected to the Senate. Is that something we really want to see happen with this crowd?
* An impeachment would be extremely divisive — and America must stand united, especially during times of illegal wars based on lies.
* He did not allow Sanjaya to win American Idol under his watch.
* If he’s impeached, the terrorists win— or haven’t you been paying attention for the last six years?
Thanks CT. I too was pre-teen. Interesting though.
Waccamaw @ 128
Keith Olbermann had a nice story on it.
Seems to me the story should be “Bill to back military is filibustered by G.O.P. Dems vow to bring it up again.”
TexB @ 132
Damn, it all makes sense now!!! ;-)
TexB @ 132
Mad Magazine, formerly a high school publication of my alma mater, Stuyvesant in N.Y.C. (pre-BONG HiTS 4 JESUS)
True story. I was in the office of one of Cook County’s honest State’s Attorney. It was after hours and we were drink scotch neat. After a while I asked him how he knew when to indict on a cop’s say so. He replied that he listened to the presentation and then, if he couldn’t figure out how and why the cop was laying (a presumption of lying, I think they call it) then, and then only would he indict.
This guy lasted about two-three years and was booted up to a high judgeship. Chicago can’t have that kind of prosecutor.
er, make that lying.
Edward – You are correct. I recently saw a federal judge get pissed at federal prosecutors – called them in on a Sunday b/c the government claimed they just “discovered” evidence that had been in their possession for over a year – potential Brady material. And the aggrevation was honest/real. But has it effected the gov’t’s case? Time will tell, but beyond the judge telling the gov’t she was pissed, not much so far.
Neil @ 131
I don’t know. Video killed the radio star. Seriously, music has been on a downhill slide since the introduction of MTV. The problem is, when you read or listen to something, you make it your own. You internalize it. But, when you watch something, you will forever associate the message with the messenger.
Lew Koch @ 130
They made the assistant USA the fall guy for all the crap that went on at the trial.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ge=printer
Evil Parallel Universe @ 138
Best case scenario for the defense, a mistrial. Government will gin it up again with one more rehearsal under their belts.
Lew Koch @ 137
Nice anecdote!!!
LS @ 45
Exactly. What about all those “but, but, but, I was a sexually molested/physically abused/neglected/underprivileged/fetal-alcohol-syndrome/bullied miserable child, so I shouldn’t be punished for acting out by killing a little old lady!”
That’s the sort of thing that activates the small socially-conservative streak I have.
Big Mitch @ 136
Hi Lew and everyone……been reading with interest, though I don’t feel I can comment intelligently since I know so little about the case.
Big M — so you went to Stuy? When did you graduate? I went to HCHS, and my sister went to Bronx Sci.
First rate educations, from the public school system. Hard to come by these days.
OddMommy, my dad went to Bronx Sci. Long long ago.
TexB @ 132
Another clear explanation from the folks who explained ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’!
In polling of likely Republican voters, guess who wins?
Rudy, 21%
Fred Thompson, 19%
McCain 15%
The winner is ……… None of the above 23%
Big Mitch @ 141
Will the Judiciary continue the inherent respect accorded USA’s, considering the mockery of their positions that Shrub/AGAG have instilled within DoJ? I know the Libby defense is sure to be the gift that keeps on giving!!!
Big Mitch – One of the reasons to always bet on the gov’t is that, beyond it being their house, most indicted people are guilty (they do after all get to indict who they want).
That being said, the rule is not absolute and there are certainly bad prosecutions – if you want to call them political prosecutions I’d be ok with that.
And if the gov’t weren’t allowed to play this as an Al Qaeda trial by proxy, there might be a chance, though perhaps small, of a hung jury. You never know.
I live across the river from Detroit and the trial was well covered by the local media. These guys weren’t terrorist, they were criminals. It appears it was a show America we are defeating terrorism show trial.
TexB @ 145
Me, Stuyvesant ‘67
My sister Bronx Science ‘63
I play racquetball in Anchorage with two guys from Bronx Science, but I don’t know when they graduated.
Lew Koch @ 107
They called Bill O’Reilly?
Ctuttle – I do. Whether b/c they are fellow travelers or simply b/c in following precedence they have to.
GSD @ 60
Shame on you, GSD!
FYI, Late nite
Evil Parallel Universe @ 153
precedents
TRex is upstairs.
Come on upstairs!
TRex is upstairs for those so inclined…
Evil Parallel Universe @ 153
Ironic that the Federalist’s are strict constructionists and are willing to discard Stare Decisis, and, Liberals/Moderates, whom are smeared as ruling by Judicial decree, actually respect Stare Decisis??? WTF???
Kathleen @ 44
It was more like Judy “I was fucking David Petraeus” Miller…let’s call it as it is.
God, this is therapeutic.
To me the constitution has always been a politically fungible document – interpreted by the politics of the times (more or less) rather than on “known” or agreed upon “universal rights of man.” I think it was built that way. Though not for all things – eg. Habeus Corpus, the bill of rights.
So, I’m all for stare decisis I like, and against it otherwise.
thx boxer. good thought.
It’s what is known as a travesty of justice. Gonzales should in the dock, not Padilla.
Lew Koch @ 101
That’s like 800 a day for a year!
Even if we assume the FBI was wiretapping these guys 10 years ago that would still be like 80/day! 8 calls every hour for 10 hours straight!
Ahme! Did these guys work?
Can you imagine the phone bills they would have racked up?
And to get a paltry number (230) with supposed “code words” about weddings, parties, and football matches and think that these are other than just some things that might be placed in their normal discussions…is really insane.
And if Padilla was some sort of hardcore member of the “conspiracy” one would think that there would be a high percentage of references to him.
if padilla is guiltified, the terrorists win again.
damn shame, that.
hope jury nullification wins the day!
peas!