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	<title>Comments on: The Grand Obstruction Party:  Seven Time Supporters Of Continued Failure</title>
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		<title>By: Imavehmontah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/18/the-grand-obstruction-party-seven-time-supporters-of-continued-failure/#comment-833286</link>
		<dc:creator>Imavehmontah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The GOP continues to tell the lie that what is being proposed is a “precipitous withdrawal”. It seems to me that the best way to flush that out is to vote down ANY new appropriation for the current war effort UNTIL an orderly, gradual withdrawal is appended to the appropriation. If the repubs object and block cloture, or chimpy threatens a veto, then the Dems should simply vote no on more approriations until a withdrawal plan is part of the package. That should make it clear what a real “precipitous withdrawal” would be like, and whats more exactly who would be responsible for that precipitous withdrawal. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To make this work, the Democrats have to have some guts, and they have to be able to clearly communicate about this. The choice should be easy to make clear. And it becomes a great argument for removal of any GOP Senator who is vulnerable in 2008 if they continue to block a reasonable process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone see a flaw in this approach?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP continues to tell the lie that what is being proposed is a “precipitous withdrawal”. It seems to me that the best way to flush that out is to vote down ANY new appropriation for the current war effort UNTIL an orderly, gradual withdrawal is appended to the appropriation. If the repubs object and block cloture, or chimpy threatens a veto, then the Dems should simply vote no on more approriations until a withdrawal plan is part of the package. That should make it clear what a real “precipitous withdrawal” would be like, and whats more exactly who would be responsible for that precipitous withdrawal. </p>
<p>To make this work, the Democrats have to have some guts, and they have to be able to clearly communicate about this. The choice should be easy to make clear. And it becomes a great argument for removal of any GOP Senator who is vulnerable in 2008 if they continue to block a reasonable process.</p>
<p>Anyone see a flaw in this approach?</p>
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		<title>By: mainefem</title>
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		<dc:creator>mainefem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turnmaineblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=343#1332&quot;&gt;Latest commentary from Future Senator, Tom Allen’s campaign (D-ME).&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turnmaineblue.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=343#1332">Latest commentary from Future Senator, Tom Allen’s campaign (D-ME).</a></p>
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		<title>By: Balakirev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balakirev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More of this is needed.  The message needs to get out that the Republicans are being obstructionists, and last night was an excellent example.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of this is needed.  The message needs to get out that the Republicans are being obstructionists, and last night was an excellent example.</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This picture must be Photoshopped® or there’s a PA offcamera gripping the scruff of his neck. Every other shot I’ve seen of Mitch suggests his face is melting into his shirtcollar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This picture must be Photoshopped® or there’s a PA offcamera gripping the scruff of his neck. Every other shot I’ve seen of Mitch suggests his face is melting into his shirtcollar.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/18/the-grand-obstruction-party-seven-time-supporters-of-continued-failure/#comment-832829</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CHS, your endeavours are greatly appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHS, your endeavours are greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Cordier</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/18/the-grand-obstruction-party-seven-time-supporters-of-continued-failure/#comment-832687</link>
		<dc:creator>Cordier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-832440&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I like Senator Byrd. I have a great deal of affection for this man.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even more so after I heard him yell ‘murderer, murderer’ as McConnell was speaking this morning. I swear that’s what I heard (even re-wound my dvr to confirm). McConnell said “I object” and the camera switched to Byrd who was beginning to sit down behind Reid. Reid then regained the floor from McConnell. I haven’t heard or seen anything about this incident but I saw it with my own eyes. It happened at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time this morning. I hope someone can put up the video so you can view it for yourselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-832440"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I like Senator Byrd. I have a great deal of affection for this man.</p>
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<p>Even more so after I heard him yell ‘murderer, murderer’ as McConnell was speaking this morning. I swear that’s what I heard (even re-wound my dvr to confirm). McConnell said “I object” and the camera switched to Byrd who was beginning to sit down behind Reid. Reid then regained the floor from McConnell. I haven’t heard or seen anything about this incident but I saw it with my own eyes. It happened at about 8:30 a.m. Pacific time this morning. I hope someone can put up the video so you can view it for yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-832565&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-832417&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LibertyLee @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;in the past, when Congress has gotten hung on one or both, they pass them all in a big Omnibus Bill Continuing Resolution.  So I’m not sure what the Dems won, if anything.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually the Defense Appropriations Bill for FY 2007 did pass last year — it was the only appropriation bill to do so. &lt;b&gt;It also left out the funding for Iraq&lt;/b&gt;, which is why there were Supplemental funding bills this year. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;And, in case you’ve forgotten, a REPUBLICAN Congress defunded the troops in Somalia, during the Clinton Administration.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t tell us they can’t cut off the money when they can and have done so several times in the past.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Authorization bill passed last year, but there will several years in the Clinton Administration in which Defense Authorization and Appropriations were folded into an Omnibus Continuing Resolution.  In reality, the Clinton Administration WANTED to pull the troops out of Somalia; it was a typical “do-gooder” “humanitarian” mission (a la Haiti, unlike Bosnia in which Republicans did NOT pull funding)…and the Administration’s heart wasn’t in it.  I’m just saying that there is nothing which once a battle is commenced can realistically force the President’s hand, since as Commander-in-Chief you cannot have a lawyer checking whether the President is “redeploying” or advancing.  It won’t work.  It will be up to the election to resolve the Iraq War and the Global War on Terror.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-832565"><em>Brisingamen @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-832417"><em>LibertyLee @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>in the past, when Congress has gotten hung on one or both, they pass them all in a big Omnibus Bill Continuing Resolution.  So I’m not sure what the Dems won, if anything.</p>
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<p>Actually the Defense Appropriations Bill for FY 2007 did pass last year — it was the only appropriation bill to do so. <b>It also left out the funding for Iraq</b>, which is why there were Supplemental funding bills this year. </p>
<p><em>And, in case you’ve forgotten, a REPUBLICAN Congress defunded the troops in Somalia, during the Clinton Administration.</em></p>
<p>Don’t tell us they can’t cut off the money when they can and have done so several times in the past.</p>
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<p>The Authorization bill passed last year, but there will several years in the Clinton Administration in which Defense Authorization and Appropriations were folded into an Omnibus Continuing Resolution.  In reality, the Clinton Administration WANTED to pull the troops out of Somalia; it was a typical “do-gooder” “humanitarian” mission (a la Haiti, unlike Bosnia in which Republicans did NOT pull funding)…and the Administration’s heart wasn’t in it.  I’m just saying that there is nothing which once a battle is commenced can realistically force the President’s hand, since as Commander-in-Chief you cannot have a lawyer checking whether the President is “redeploying” or advancing.  It won’t work.  It will be up to the election to resolve the Iraq War and the Global War on Terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Brisingamen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/18/the-grand-obstruction-party-seven-time-supporters-of-continued-failure/#comment-832565</link>
		<dc:creator>Brisingamen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-832417&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LibertyLee @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;in the past, when Congress has gotten hung on one or both, they pass them all in a big Omnibus Bill Continuing Resolution.  So I’m not sure what the Dems won, if anything.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually the Defense Appropriations Bill for FY 2007 did pass last year — it was the only appropriation bill to do so. &lt;b&gt;It also left out the funding for Iraq&lt;/b&gt;, which is why there were Supplemental funding bills this year. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;And, in case you’ve forgotten, a REPUBLICAN Congress defunded the troops in Somalia, during the Clinton Administration.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t tell us they can’t cut off the money when they can and have done so several times in the past.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-832417"><em>LibertyLee @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>in the past, when Congress has gotten hung on one or both, they pass them all in a big Omnibus Bill Continuing Resolution.  So I’m not sure what the Dems won, if anything.</p>
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<p>Actually the Defense Appropriations Bill for FY 2007 did pass last year — it was the only appropriation bill to do so. <b>It also left out the funding for Iraq</b>, which is why there were Supplemental funding bills this year. </p>
<p><em>And, in case you’ve forgotten, a REPUBLICAN Congress defunded the troops in Somalia, during the Clinton Administration.</em></p>
<p>Don’t tell us they can’t cut off the money when they can and have done so several times in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Fozzetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fozzetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope they will do this for ALL the bills the Repugs obstruct!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they will do this for ALL the bills the Repugs obstruct!</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-832490&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jones @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That picture is grotesque - how can one man have a pencil neck AND a double chin?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well… how to put this? um,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;too small a braincase to hold his face in place?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-832490"><em>Jones @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That picture is grotesque &#8211; how can one man have a pencil neck AND a double chin?</p>
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<p>well… how to put this? um,</p>
<p>too small a braincase to hold his face in place?</p>
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