TRex

zed?

Can you hear me major tom?

Hello

((( Suz )))

((( Mods )))

Petrocelli @ 1

TRex

You sneaky little bugger!!!

Petrocelli @ 5

((( Suz )))

((( Mods )))

Double amen to that.

has anyone let downstairs know

CTuttle @ 6

Petrocelli @ 1

TRex

You sneaky little bugger!!!

Who’re you calling “little” ?!! *g*

Dangit! EPU’d again!
Funnydiva2002 @ 252

Big Mitch @ 247

okay. So seriously folks.

How can the blogosphere, of which we are an important part get coordinated, so that there is a “MOTD” Message of the Day.

I wish we had all put our minds to this question over the weekend so that on Monday we could have gotten the entire blogosphere to be saying TILLMAN.

Ah, yes, I think I asked a similar question on one of the pre-slumberparty announcement “call senator Reid” threads.

I’m not a blogger, nor am I in a position to prioitize MsOTD, but maybe some of us firepups could cull some issue links from the threads and have a frontpage “MsOTD” thread a couple times a week? Kind of like the Sunday Talking Heads Thread?

I’ll poke around and see if I can find my comment from Monday (?).

Funnydiva.

Uh-oh…it’s the 30s fer fashion here….

Come to think of it politics seems that way also with Joey the ‘Last Good Man’ spewing his fascist hate for all us ‘partisans’. Yeah, Joe I’m partisan like the French underground were and you remember what they did to the Nazis you emulate so well Joe.

Don’t yer?

I like this singer although Amy is hard to beat….

Okay Big Mitch, I trust you’ll have this figured out by the time I wake up.
1. Tillman all over MSM
2. Tucker off the air
3. Vitter to resign
4. get us out of Iraq
Thanks in advance.

Suzanne @ 9

has anyone let downstairs know

Suz, whirly thing is still whirlin’ …

Hi all from sleepless in missouri

Lily Allen’s song “Smile” (with the video) cracks me up.

yeah, i know, petrocelli – its on the list but not a high priority. right now, we are just advising people to do a hard refresh of the page when that happens because that tends to fix it.

Petrocelli @ 13

Suzanne @ 9

has anyone let downstairs know

Suz, whirly thing is still whirlin’ …

When that happens to me I do a hard reload in the browser.

Ah, it’s #199 in the “Boo Yah!” thread:

Hi, Pups!

Great day. Congrats to all.

An idea to kick around: how about a daily or nightly “Feet to the Fire” frontpage/thread?
To make getting the word out to
Call Critter Whatstheirface about Issue Whatchamacallit
into a regular thing we all look for and add to our daily routines?

If the urgency of the issue has already been addressed extensively, just include links if time is limited. Include the excellent list of toll-free capitol switchboard numbers (thanks Katymine!)with two notes (from my experience and IMHO):
1) pick a number and just let it ring a lot–an operator will answer. Thus, redial can be a good friend.
2) be as nice as possible to those hardworking, probably underpaid and underappreciated women and men on that switchboard. Speak clearly, use a cheerful, friendly tone and lots of “Please” and “Thank you” no matter how impersonal or harassed or curt they sound when they answer (they’re just trying to keep the calls moving).

And one last little thing I’ve been doing–especially if I’m not a constituent (ie, if I call Reid’s or Pelosi’s office), I identify myself as “this is one of the American People.”
(/de-lurk).

Funnydiva

Another great moment from Jim Webb in his appearance on Meet the Russert last week was when he puts his hand on Miss Graham’s shoulder. The expression on LindsayWhat?!?’s face makes you think he just soiled his Vitters (TM) when Webb gripped his bony shoulder.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..rs-mouths/

So happy to finally start seeing the breakdown of the Noize Machine’s carefully constructed sterotypes of Liberals. You can care about things, and be tough as nails. You can be lineral and be financially responsible. You can advocate for government and capitalism at the same time. Imagine that!

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

Suzanne @ 16

yeah, i know, petrocelli – its on the list but not a high priority. right now, we are just advising people to do a hard refresh of the page when that happens because that tends to fix it.

Good to know; I was thinking of reporting it. As long as you guys know about it, not a big deal.

karen allen @ 21

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

Depends.

karen allen @ 20

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

What? He wants to be pampered???

It is not a fetish for Vitter. It’s a way of life.

Mary @ 22: I fed you the straight line, lol! Thanks.

Suzanne @ 16

yeah, i know, petrocelli – its on the list but not a high priority. right now, we are just advising people to do a hard refresh of the page when that happens because that tends to fix it.

Sorry, what I should have said was, “I am unable to notify downstairs because the whirly thing is still whirlin’ …”

It has since stopped and I have told them twice, just to be sure …

You go to sleep for a few hours and it’s vitters and nappys, and his mistress.

marymccurnin @ 22

karen allen @ 21

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

Depends.

707!

Love you, Trex. And thank you.

karen allen @ 20

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

wouldn’t that be his “Diaper Genie”?
Just askin’
‘cuz it’s snark-thirty, right? right?

For Vitter, it’s a force of bobbit.

Hey, Vitter and nappies and his girlfriends is funny.

White House officials arranged for top officials at the Office of National Drug Control Policy to help as many as 18 vulnerable Republican congressmen by making appearances and sometimes announcing new federal grants in the lawmakers’ districts in the months leading up to the November 2006 elections, a Democratic lawmaker said yesterday.

–From WaPo via Huffington

Petrocelli @ 13

Suzanne @ 9

has anyone let downstairs know

Suz, whirly thing is still whirlin’ …

Are you sure it’s not your head??? *g*

What did I log into poo corner.

Laura Doty @ 23

karen allen @ 20

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

What? He wants to be pampered???

give him a break, he needs some huggies and kisses.

karen allen @ 32

Hey, Vitter and nappies and his girlfriends is funny.

So true

argosfalcon @ 35

What did I log into poo corner.

And Vitters is little Rue [sic].

White House officials arranged for top officials at the Office of National Drug Control Policy to help as many as 18 vulnerable Republican congressmen by making appearances and sometimes announcing new federal grants in the lawmakers’ districts in the months leading up to the November 2006 elections, a Democratic lawmaker said yesterday.

From WaPo via Huffington.

Those dirty bastards …

How to Diaper Your Baby

* a diaper
* fasteners (if you are using cloth diapers)
* a container of warm water and cotton balls (for babies with sensitive skin) or a clean washcloth or diaper wipes
* diaper ointment or petroleum jelly (for preventing and treating rashes)
* a changing pad or cloth diaper for placing under your baby
* bottle of Jack Daniels

skippy featured lily months ago on our saturday nite music club.

argosfalcon @ 35

What did I log into poo corner.

Apparently…!!!

and, yeah, i agree, amy winehouse is not as kewl as lily.

#35: Poo is optional.

argosfalcon @ 35

What did I log into poo corner.

Hey, you’re the only one “loggin” round here…;)

Petrocelli @ 26

Suzanne @ 16

yeah, i know, petrocelli – its on the list but not a high priority. right now, we are just advising people to do a hard refresh of the page when that happens because that tends to fix it.

Sorry, what I should have said was, “I am unable to notify downstairs because the whirly thing is still whirlin’ …”

It has since stopped and I have told them twice, just to be sure …

… although the only person still down there seems to be … me … *g*

CTuttle @ 34

Petrocelli @ 13

Suz, whirly thing is still whirlin’ …

Are you sure it’s not your head??? *g*

Well, I did have “Cyclone” Beers … *g*

hey skippy – how’s my favorite ‘roo and mrs roo?

BigMitch @ 39

White House officials arranged for top officials at the Office of National Drug Control Policy to help as many as 18 vulnerable Republican congressmen by making appearances and sometimes announcing new federal grants in the lawmakers’ districts in the months leading up to the November 2006 elections, a Democratic lawmaker said yesterday.

From WaPo via Huffington.

Those dirty bastards …

Just a small violation of the hatch act (which should be if you violate the act we shove you through the hatch and eject you, preferably into deep space).

I’m very sad that it was felt necessary to use the term “retarded” in that way, in the description of the fight between the Ann Althouse and Lee Siegel. As someone who has a genetic disease that generally, but not in my case, includes mental delays and disabilities, it feels like a slap acroos the face.

Sadly,
Heather

That, of course, would have been more effective if I had spelt across correctly.

Red-faced,
Heather

bonkers @ 45

argosfalcon @ 35

What did I log into poo corner.

Hey, you’re the only one “loggin” round here…;)

707

And the turtle man last night?
PBS New York:

Obviously time for my sleep. I can’t spell anything tonight, sorry.

Red-faced,
Heather

Mrs Vitter: The spouse at poo corner.

Chacounne @ 50

I’m very sad that it was felt necessary to use the term “retarded” in that way, in the description of the fight between the Ann Althouse and Lee Siegel. As someone who has a genetic disease that generally, but not in my case, includes mental delays and disabilities, it feels like a slap across the face.

Sadly,
Heather

Thank you for speaking out Heather… I agree that’s a term we would all do well to lay to rest.

Sweet dreams dear Heather.

Me, too, to bed.

Chacounne @ 54

Obviously time for my sleep. I can’t spell anything tonight, sorry.

Red-faced,
Heather

Actually, you spelled “anything” perfectly.

(why does sleep deprivation turn me into an 8th grader?)

good night Heather and Mary.

Hi TSF!

Heather, welcome to the Lake.

I think TRex has gone off to bed for the night but he will see your comment tomorrow morning.

Spelling is only a front page requirement – the spelling police do not patrol the comments – if they did, i would have a butt load of citations.

c-span2 quick

TeddySanFran @ 55

Mrs Vitter: The spouse at poo corner.

Now, Roo is at poo corner!!!

BigMitch @ 62

c-span2 quick

The Border Patrol guy?

BigMitch @ 62

c-span2 quick

why

Mel Watt calls pres a liar on floor of house

Heather: I have a chronic illness that involves a not being able to speak at the same time as others: having no memeory as others:
What is your deal?

TeddySanFran @ 55

Mrs Vitter: The spouse at poo corner.

And if thats true what about the honey jar stuck on his nose (another self inflicted image I’ll never get out of my head).

Judging from his press blaming session the other day, HookerVitter is a small man in more ways than one. I couldn’t get that Tammy Wynette song outta me head, you know…”Stand Over Your Man.” Classic!

Mel Watt spoke at the Harriet Meiers no-show
He delivered a 15 count indictment of Bush, including “lied us into war”
Now he is on Washington Journal but they replayed it first.

He withdrew the comment yesterday after being advised that it was inappropriate by the House parliamentarian.

One more reason to admire Jim Web; from NoQuarter…

Senators Claire McCaskill and James Webb have called for the formation of an independent commission to investigate war profiteering in this country. The effort would be similar to one that was formed by Harry Truman during World War II, whose work on that issue was instrumental in preventing it from ever being a serious problem.

Watt (D-NC) My constituents have lost faith in this president.

in case you missed jon stewart’s ‘moment of zen’ tonight. lieberman speaking to the senate: “some have said this is the only amendment with teeth. it does have teeth. but i think we’ve gotta ask, who does it bite? i think it bites… our… hope…”

mhpcr @ 67

Heather: I have a chronic illness that involves a not being able to speak at the same time as others: having no memeory as others:
What is your deal?

Thanks for the welcome and the bids for restful sleep. I will wend that way very shortly.

mhpcr: I have Turner’s Syndrome

Thanks very much,
Heather

Chacounne @ 50

I’m very sad that it was felt necessary to use the term “retarded” in that way, in the description of the fight between the Ann Althouse and Lee Siegel. As someone who has a genetic disease that generally, but not in my case, includes mental delays and disabilities, it feels like a slap acroos the face.

Sadly,
Heather

This may or may not be genuine, but I’ll respond as if it were. I think this term should continue to be used as it was, however, it should not ever be used to refer to persons having such diseases as you describe above. It’s a dated term and should be discarded. Analogous to a change recently, but sadly late, to Louisiana Civil Code terminology. Children formally referred to as “illegitimate” are now “children born outside of marriage” – much more accurate.

Suzanne @ 61

Heather, welcome to the Lake.

I think TRex has gone off to bed for the night but he will see your comment tomorrow morning.

Spelling is only a front page requirement – the spelling police do not patrol the comments – if they did, i would have a butt load of citations.

Just because I’m an obsessive clarifier, term was in a block quote, not a word chosen by TRex…..

CD @ 72

One more reason to admire Jim Web; from NoQuarter…

Senators Claire McCaskill and James Webb have called for the formation of an independent commission to investigate war profiteering in this country. The effort would be similar to one that was formed by Harry Truman during World War II, whose work on that issue was instrumental in preventing it from ever being a serious problem.

Al Franken said that would be his first order of business if elected.

Joh Stewart and TDS hasn’t aired yet on the west coast.

CD @ 72

One more reason to admire Jim Web; from NoQuarter…

Senators Claire McCaskill and James Webb have called for the formation of an independent commission to investigate war profiteering in this country. The effort would be similar to one that was formed by Harry Truman during World War II, whose work on that issue was instrumental in preventing it from ever being a serious problem.

Fantastic! Two people who benefited greatly from the efforts of the netroots. The revolution is not being televised, and it’s just getting warmed up.

argosfalcon @ 49

Just a small violation of the hatch act (which should be if you violate the act we shove you through the hatch and eject you, preferably into deep space).

I wonder if one of the after-effects of the Bush Administration is going to be adding actual penalties to laws like the Hatch Act and the Presidential Records Act.

If I were in Congress, I’d introduce it with something like:

WHEREAS it was until recently assumed that if a person is interested in serving in government, they are capable of understanding that if there is a law prohibiting an act, that should be sufficient reason not to do it, and

WHEREAS this assumption has recently been proven false, and numerous persons have served who apparently believed that if they could avoid being caught or avoid punishment, they were entitled to violate the law repeatedly…

(Sadly, real congresspersons are probably too restrained to write something like that.)

listening to cspan2 they are talking about ill fitting shoes.

BigMitch @ 66

Mel Watt calls pres a liar on floor of house

Got it – thanks. Mel Watt is a congressman from the 12th district, Charlotte, Greensboro, North Carolina.

Good grief – a caller just told Watt that she loved his accent because it reminded her of her mother’s cook.

So this is washington journal, on tape delay. As you know they have a republican and a democratic phone number to call in.

So a Republican calls in, and says he completely agrees with what Mel Watt said.

argosfalcon @ 82

listening to cspan2 they are talking about ill fitting shoes.

Uh oh. Condi’s not gonna be happy with that.

newspaperbrat @ 83

BigMitch @ 66

Mel Watt calls pres a liar on floor of house

Got it – thanks. Mel Watt is a congressman from the 12th district, Charlotte, Greensboro, North Carolina.

Good grief – a caller just told Watt that she loved his accent because it reminded her of her mother’s cook.

her friend’s mother who was a great cook.

Redshift @ 81

argosfalcon @ 49

Just a small violation of the hatch act (which should be if you violate the act we shove you through the hatch and eject you, preferably into deep space).

I wonder if one of the after-effects of the Bush Administration is going to be adding actual penalties to laws like the Hatch Act and the Presidential Records Act.

If I were in Congress, I’d introduce it with something like:

WHEREAS it was until recently assumed that if a person is interested in serving in government, they are capable of understanding that if there is a law prohibiting an act, that should be sufficient reason not to do it, and

WHEREAS this assumption has recently been proven false, and numerous persons have served who apparently believed that if they could avoid being caught or avoid punishment, they were entitled to violate the law repeatedly…

(Sadly, real congresspersons are probably too restrained to write something like that.)

Strange how you can have rules/laws with no adverse consequences.

skippy @ 41

skippy featured lily months ago on our saturday nite music club.

ah, Look TRex, skippy has come and posted on topic!
(not that that’s expected; indeed it is surprising-ish)
and i thank you, TRex because i had never heard of lily allen: i am in your debt once again!

sez cheer:

Lily Allen is also the goddaughter of late Clash guitarist, Joe Strummer.

who knew?

and Thank You, Skippy the Bush Kangaroo!
too.

I could never be a congressman because I would be on the floor of the House night and day calling Bush a lying war criminal!!

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

Eureka Springs @ 89

I could never be a congressman because I would be on the floor of the House night and day calling Bush a lying war criminal!!

I’d vote for you. I like the platform.

Big Mitch:
nothing, at all, ain’t it.
Waiting for “Big Mitch Senator Jim.”
How’s it being a big boy now?
Get it right, it was good to be
loved that was while I was
in the mililary.
OHHHHHHHHH.
Get it now, Senator James Webb.
You F*ck with us, it’s a different outcome.

From Maria Bartiromo’s interview of Condi Rice in the current issue of BusinessWeek:

MB: Would you consider a position in business or on Wall Street?
CR: I don’t know what I’ll do long-term. I’m a terrible long-term planner.

h/t TPM

Redshift @ 81

argosfalcon @ 49

Just a small violation of the hatch act (which should be if you violate the act we shove you through the hatch and eject you, preferably into deep space).

I wonder if one of the after-effects of the Bush Administration is going to be adding actual penalties to laws like the Hatch Act and the Presidential Records Act.

If I were in Congress, I’d introduce it with something like:

WHEREAS it was until recently assumed that if a person is interested in serving in government, they are capable of understanding that if there is a law prohibiting an act, that should be sufficient reason not to do it, and

WHEREAS this assumption has recently been proven false, and numerous persons have served who apparently believed that if they could avoid being caught or avoid punishment, they were entitled to violate the law repeatedly…

(Sadly, real congresspersons are probably too restrained to write something like that.)

Strange as it may be, there is penalties for Hatch Act violations, prison time even! Why do you think the executive is stonewalling congress!!!

Eureka Springs @ 89

I could never be a congressman because I would be on the floor of the House night and day calling Bush a lying war criminal!!

Madam president the honorable gentleman from Arkansas in out of order but right.

So its against the rules of the House to speak the truth, how convenient.

BigMitch @ 93

From Maria Bartiromo’s interview of Condi Rice in the current issue of BusinessWeek:

MB: Would you consider a position in business or on Wall Street?
CR: I don’t know what I’ll do long-term. I’m a terrible long-term planner.

h/t TPM

File under: Who Would Have Known?

-GSD

I’m packing it in for the night – g’nite all.

Eureka Springs @ 89

I could never be a congressman because I would be on the floor of the House night and day calling Bush a lying war criminal!!

you sound particularly qualified to me.

BigMitch @ 93

From Maria Bartiromo’s interview of Condi Rice in the current issue of BusinessWeek:

MB: Would you consider a position in business or on Wall Street?
CR: I don’t know what I’ll do long-term. I’m a terrible long-term planner.

h/t TPM

CR: As long as it’s not the same position I’ve been assuming for Shrub the last few years. My back is really sore!

Good night Suzanne and thank you.

Thank for clearing that up, CTuttle, I kind of thought that. Guess my thought was inside the junta there are no adverse effects, and to apply the law someone must use extraordinary force just to investigate an obvious violations of the law.

Suzanne @ 98

I’m packing it in for the night – g’nite all.

Pleasant dreams…

Eureka Springs @ 96

So its against the rules of the House to speak the truth, how convenient.

Look how faithfully the executive is following that rule, in all their testimony to the House committees!!!

Pardon the digression, but argofalcon’s coment just sent my mind reeling to a time many years ago…..

As some of you know, from time to time I use a Yiddish phrase in here which I translate “for the Yiddish challenged.”

My uncle used to do a shtick about what would happen if the Israeli ambassador to the U.N. decided to speak in Yiddish. He would say something in Yiddish, and then in the manner of a simultaneous translater, translate it.

Now, you must understand that in Yiddish, things are gentle. So the thing I remember was my uncle saying:

[voice of ambassador] Kish mir.
[voice of translator] The Israeli ambassador has asked the representative of Syria to give him a kiss….

Well, I guess you had to be there.

____________

For the Yiddish challenged:
shtick, literally, a piece. Often, a piece of a comedy routine.
Kish mir, literally: kiss me. Impliedly: Kiss my ass, you fucking dickwad.

Suzanne @ 98

I’m packing it in for the night – g’nite all.

Bon Nuit, Ma Cheri!!!

In the perverted world of Bush and Rove, politicizing heretofore non-political departments like Justice, NASA, FEMA, FDA, HHS, Education and many more is normal while congressman and Senators get accused of wrong-doing by doing just what they are supposed to do, engage in politics.

-GSD

GSD @ 107

In the perverted world of Bush and Rove politicizing heretofore non-political departments like Justice, NASA, FEMA, FDA, HHS, Education and many more is normal while congressman and Senators get accused of wrong-doing by doing just what they are supposed to do, engage in politics.

-GSD

War is Peace.

Suzanne @ 90

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

You’re kidding!
There’s got to be a way around that.
“Honored colleagues, in my hand is a letter written by a little old lady, written painfully because of her rheumatoid arthritis, and she wants to know when we’re gonna do something about that Goddam lying s.o.b. Dubya.
One of her grandsons is dead in Iraq.
Another is on his 4th tour–his Fourth Tour! What do I tell her, honored senators? What CAN I tell her?”

Suzanne @ 90

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

No, you have to call him/her my good friend, or my esteemed colleague or my respected friend on the other side of the aisle.

Christy said today that you just imagine they’re calling them a dirty name instead of one of the acceptable terms.

Margot @ 109

Suzanne @ 90

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

You’re kidding!
There’s got to be a way around that.
“Honored colleagues, in my hand is a letter written by a little old lady, written painfully because of her rheumatoid arthritis, and she wants to know when we’re gonna do something about that Goddam lying s.o.b. Dubya.
One of her grandsons is dead in Iraq.
Another is on his 4th tour–his Fourth Tour! What do I tell her, honored senators? What CAN I tell her?”

I look forward to seeing that in the next Washington pillow fight.

Margot @ 109

Suzanne @ 90

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

You’re kidding!
There’s got to be a way around that.
“Honored colleagues, in my hand is a letter written by a little old lady, written painfully because of her rheumatoid arthritis, and she wants to know when we’re gonna do something about that Goddam lying s.o.b. Dubya.
One of her grandsons is dead in Iraq.
Another is on his 4th tour–his Fourth Tour! What do I tell her, honored senators? What CAN I tell her?”

Sweet, Margot!!!

From Maria Bartiromo’s interview of Condi Rice in the current issue of BusinessWeek:

MB: Would you consider a position in business or on Wall Street?
CR: I don’t know what I’ll do long-term. I’m a terrible long-term planner.

h/t TPM

no fucking shit

Sleep well dear Suzanne – me too – should have taken a nap today but worth every minute of the all niter.

Big Mitch – thanks – I stand corrected on Congressman Watt’s caller comment.

Nite all you intrepid firepups.

My good lying friend..

Suzanne @ 98

I’m packing it in for the night – g’nite all.

Get a good sleep, Suz.

skippy @ 41

skippy featured lily months ago on our saturday nite music club.

skippy, i sadly must inform you that ms Lily Allen’s video seems to no longer be available at your link there.

~ your fan

Good night 2 all.

Sweet dreams to those going nighty night

Loo Hoo. @ 110

Suzanne @ 90

es, i understand they have some parlimentary rule now that you can not call the president a liar.

No, you have to call him/her my good friend, or my esteemed colleague or my respected friend on the other side of the aisle.

Christy said today that you just imagine they’re calling them a dirty name instead of one of the acceptable terms.

That’s a bit better than here where they have to call the lying scum on the other side “The Honourable Member”, I kid you not!

Holy shit.

It just keeps getting wierder and wierder in Iraq.

This Bergner character comes straight out of Karl Rove’s evil little shop of horrors.

-GSD

Suzanne: kindest person, I’ll see you later.

Could you not just call them something like a prevaricator of questionable parentage?

Good night everyone.

GSD @ 121

Holy shit.

It just keeps getting wierder and wierder in Iraq.

This Bergner character comes straight out of Karl Rove’s evil little shop of horrors.

-GSD

I’m sorry but that is just funny..

night Laura

persiflage: GSD always says it right. Every time.

Ha! Kristof compares Cheney and Ahmadinejad twins separated at birth:

The U.S. vice president and Iranian president, each the No. 2 in his country, certainly seem to be working together to create conflict between the two nations. Theirs may be the oddest and perhaps most dangerous partnership in the world today.

Both men are hawks who defy the international community, scorn the U.N. and are unpopular at home because of incompetence and recklessness — and each finds justification in the extremism of the other.

Hey guys! Didya catch the open-ended “Terrorist-Abettors Executive Order” Bush presented yesterday!

Turns out we can all now have everything we own stripped away from us.

b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order

Not Limited To!!!!!,

So, while I’m sure that this measure was intended to cut off pro-bono legal help from all those guys in Gitmo [remember that the Chief Military Prosecutor said that it was abetting terrorism for the major law firms to do so]

~ but I also get the sneaky suspicion that any act that could be construed as supporting terrorists (in other words any opposition to Bush’s policies) could be viewed as falling under this Order.

Oppose the suspension of habeas corpus?
You’re helping those terrorists!
Oppose the “surge”?
You are “surrendering to Al Qaida”!
Do you find that setting a date or a schedule for withdrawal from Iraq makes good sense?
Heck that’s like giving the insurgents our PLANS! They could stop bliowing up people and hunker down while we withdrew!
[Of course, that’d give the Iraqi government and Parliament some time to get their act together but never mind THAT!]

So expect those liens coming in soon bloggers! Bush’s cronies have come up with a creative new way to get richer, while impoverishing those that oppose them.

Except that the Nazi’s did this before with the “enemies of the people” whom they impoverished and then sent to camps under the argument of getting homeless vagrants out of their communities.

Next up pulling the gold fillings from your teeth, and cutting your hair for wigs.

argosfalcon @ 123

Could you not just call them something like a prevaricator of questionable parentage?

You could lull them into a snooze by quoting Shakespeare, and then see if they wake up to the proverb,
“It’s a wise child who knows his own father.”
At least I think it’s a proverb. Maybe it’s Ecclesiastes, I searched in vain.

karen allen @ 20

Is the diaper fetish thing about Vitter true? Or does only his diaper-mistress know?

I’ve heard he’s given all that stuff on the side up…Mrs. Vitter has decided to Pamper him!

Gracias mhpcr.

Nite all.

-GSD

BigMitch @ 71

He withdrew the comment yesterday after being advised that it was inappropriate by the House parliamentarian.

Yet Issa can accuse Val and Joe Wilson of perjury…without any evidence at all?

What, just because Wino-house might stab you when she’s off her meds, you think someone else could be more fun? Hey, at least in none of her videos does she trash her ex-boyfriend’s flat.

cinnamonape, isn’t that executive order creepy? Seems like he wants to be a legislator too. A real decider. Write, enforce, and judge the laws.

cinnamonape @ 129

Hey guys! Didya catch the open-ended “Terrorist-Abettors Executive Order” Bush presented yesterday!

Turns out we can all now have everything we own stripped away from us.

b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order

Not Limited To!!!!!,

So, while I’m sure that this measure was intended to cut off pro-bono legal help from all those guys in Gitmo [remember that the Chief Military Prosecutor said that it was abetting terrorism for the major law firms to do so]

~ but I also get the sneaky suspicion that any act that could be construed as supporting terrorists (in other words any opposition to Bush’s policies) could be viewed as falling under this Order.

Oppose the suspension of habeas corpus?
You’re helping those terrorists!
Oppose the “surge”?
You are “surrendering to Al Qaida”!
Do you find that setting a date or a schedule for withdrawal from Iraq makes good sense?
Heck that’s like giving the insurgents our PLANS! They could stop bliowing up people and hunker down while we withdrew!
[Of course, that’d give the Iraqi government and Parliament some time to get their act together but never mind THAT!]

So expect those liens coming in soon bloggers! Bush’s cronies have come up with a creative new way to get richer, while impoverishing those that oppose them.

Except that the Nazi’s did this before with the “enemies of the people” whom they impoverished and then sent to camps under the argument of getting homeless vagrants out of their communities.

Next up pulling the gold fillings from your teeth, and cutting your hair for wigs.

Looks like martial law is nigh to this observer.

sweet music… yes, we have to pull ourselves out of this pollyanna mode…

Schumer was harking on about nearing the 60 vote mark… Jezzz hello doesn’t he think we get it yet… we know it’s the 67 mark to crack the veto.

The Senate is corrupt, self-serving, and will play every freakin option it has in its toybox to play for time — for its own protection, NOT for the Constitution.

The House is all we have left… Start impeachment proceedings before it’s too late… the clock is running, stonewalling is the game for both sides. We need evidence, they are still trying to throw sand in our eyes.

just sayin’

GSD @ 121

Holy shit.

It just keeps getting wierder and wierder in Iraq.

This Bergner character comes straight out of Karl Rove’s evil little shop of horrors.

-GSD

Seems that the US Military’s torture interrogation got just what they wanted…and Mashadani was able to drop this little nugget of information in.

The problem is, as the Iraqi Defense spokesman pointed out, is that if al Baghdani is REAL, this would be the perfect thing to say to deceive the US and take them off the scent.

But much of what Bergner is saying is just spin. The reality is that YES…there are lots of “foreigners” (mainly Saudi and Egyptian) coming into Iraq to fight the “Crusaders”. But at the same time most of the insurgency IS INDIGENOUS.

And the longer we stay in Iraq the more support these indigenous Iraqi insurgents will have…by those who are angry at all the killings we have perpetrated, Abu Ghraib, the rapes and murders, etc. They will get succor from the locals and more and more recruits by those who see no future and find the US to blame for the chaos.

BTW sorry about the boldface above!

cinnamonape @ 133

BigMitch @ 71

He withdrew the comment yesterday after being advised that it was inappropriate by the House parliamentarian.

Yet Issa can accuse Val and Joe Wilson of perjury…without any evidence at all?

Madness. It is madness. Quite the contrary. And Bob Fosse is mad: and his dancers hated him so much that eventually he broke his leg: but in this film,”Kiss Me Kate,” he has his dancing debut. 1947 or thereabouts. Is fane worth that hatred?

CheckingIn @ 137

sweet music… yes, we have to pull ourselves out of this pollyanna mode…

Schumer was harking on about nearing the 60 vote mark… Jezzz hello doesn’t he think we get it yet… we know it’s the 67 mark to crack the veto.

The Senate is corrupt, self-serving, and will play every freakin option it has in its toybox to play for time — for its own protection, NOT for the Constitution.

The House is all we have left… Start impeachment proceedings before it’s too late… the clock is running, stonewalling is the game for both sides. We need evidence, they are still trying to throw sand in our eyes.

just sayin’

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

cinnamonape @ 138

GSD @ 121

Holy shit.

It just keeps getting wierder and wierder in Iraq.

This Bergner character comes straight out of Karl Rove’s evil little shop of horrors.

-GSD

Seems that the US Military’s torture interrogation got just what they wanted…and Mashadani was able to drop this little nugget of information in.

The problem is, as the Iraqi Defense spokesman pointed out, is that if al Baghdani is REAL, this would be the perfect thing to say to deceive the US and take them off the scent.

But much of what Bergner is saying is just spin. The reality is that YES…there are lots of “foreigners” (mainly Saudi and Egyptian) coming into Iraq to fight the “Crusaders”. But at the same time most of the insurgency IS INDIGENOUS.

And the longer we stay in Iraq the more support these indigenous Iraqi insurgents will have…by those who are angry at all the killings we have perpetrated, Abu Ghraib, the rapes and murders, etc. They will get succor from the locals and more and more recruits by those who see no future and find the US to blame for the chaos.

BTW sorry about the boldface above!

Cinnamonape, you are so right about Bergner! It is spooky what propaganda they keep ladling out and expect us to lap it up and beg for more!!!

CTuttle @ 140

CheckingIn @ 137

sweet music… yes, we have to pull ourselves out of this pollyanna mode…

Schumer was harking on about nearing the 60 vote mark… Jezzz hello doesn’t he think we get it yet… we know it’s the 67 mark to crack the veto.

The Senate is corrupt, self-serving, and will play every freakin option it has in its toybox to play for time — for its own protection, NOT for the Constitution.

The House is all we have left… Start impeachment proceedings before it’s too late… the clock is running, stonewalling is the game for both sides. We need evidence, they are still trying to throw sand in our eyes.

just sayin’

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

Yeah… but your’re JUMPING way way head of yourself!

The future is yet to unfold – yes?

CheckingIn @ 142

CTuttle @ 140

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

Yeah… but your’re JUMPING way way head of yourself!

The future is yet to unfold – yes?

adding: We’ve seen the passage of time with the supplemental fiasco, the lack of spine about defunding the war… Impeachment… Constitution before party… whole new ball game. If our representatives are prepared to show their loyalities?

CTuttle @ 141

cinnamonape @ 138

Seems that the US Military’s torture interrogation got just what they wanted…and Mashadani was able to drop this little nugget of information in.

The problem is, as the Iraqi Defense spokesman pointed out, is that if al Baghdani is REAL, this would be the perfect thing to say to deceive the US and take them off the scent.

But much of what Bergner is saying is just spin. The reality is that YES…there are lots of “foreigners” (mainly Saudi and Egyptian) coming into Iraq to fight the “Crusaders”. But at the same time most of the insurgency IS INDIGENOUS.

And the longer we stay in Iraq the more support these indigenous Iraqi insurgents will have…by those who are angry at all the killings we have perpetrated, Abu Ghraib, the rapes and murders, etc. They will get succor from the locals and more and more recruits by those who see no future and find the US to blame for the chaos.

BTW sorry about the boldface above!

Cinnamonape, you are so right about Bergner! It is spooky what propaganda they keep ladling out and expect us to lap it up and beg for more!!!

There is no limit to the amount of that sort of shit that the mainstream media will soak up and print. Nevertheless, we (or something else) is having a effect. The mainstream American voters are now to the left of the Democrats in Congress. Think about that!

Hillary Clinton is pandering to right-wing evalgelists who preach that the separation of church and state is a “myth.” At the same time, the mainstream has left those preachers who supported Bush in the dust.

Just catching the repeat of Judy Miller on “Hardball”. Now I know what the lovely Ms. Hamsher was talking about earlier today.

She has had so much work. Guess those 85 days in the local constabulary were more difficult than we’d thought. *g* (Like I have anysympathy for her!)

CheckingIn @ 143

CheckingIn @ 142

Yeah… but your’re JUMPING way way head of yourself!

The future is yet to unfold – yes?

adding: We’ve seen the passage of time with the supplemental fiasco, the lack of spine about defunding the war… Impeachment… Constitution before party… whole new ball game. If our representatives are prepared to show their loyalities?

Whoa Nellie! I’m all for impeachment! One problem, we need to convince 26-7 repug senators to convict/impeach Bush! That is a tough row to hoe!!!

CTuttle @ 140

CheckingIn @ 137

sweet music… yes, we have to pull ourselves out of this pollyanna mode…

Schumer was harking on about nearing the 60 vote mark… Jezzz hello doesn’t he think we get it yet… we know it’s the 67 mark to crack the veto.

The Senate is corrupt, self-serving, and will play every freakin option it has in its toybox to play for time — for its own protection, NOT for the Constitution.

The House is all we have left… Start impeachment proceedings before it’s too late… the clock is running, stonewalling is the game for both sides. We need evidence, they are still trying to throw sand in our eyes.

just sayin’

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

Jane (nyc) @ 145

Just catching the repeat of Judy Miller on “Hardball”. Now I know what the lovely Ms. Hamsher was talking about earlier today.

She has had so much work. Guess those 85 days in the local constabulary were more difficult than we’d thought. *g* (Like I have anysympathy for her!)

If it’s any consolation, at least she did time for her steno role in the run-up to war!!! *g*

wigwam @ 147

CTuttle @ 140

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

The Hague would be nice!!! ;-)

CTuttle @ 148

Jane (nyc) @ 145

Just catching the repeat of Judy Miller on “Hardball”. Now I know what the lovely Ms. Hamsher was talking about earlier today.

She has had so much work. Guess those 85 days in the local constabulary were more difficult than we’d thought. *g* (Like I have anysympathy for her!)

If it’s any consolation, at least she did time for her steno role in the run-up to war!!! *g*

Yes. She’s the only one of that treasonous lot that has done even a day in jail.

wigwam @ 147

CTuttle @ 140

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

We have as much chance of having Jesus return than achieving the end filibuster, let alone a veto majority for ending the war..

Also if, with the HELP of congress, Bush goes into Iran… all this Iraq stuff is MUTE.

Much better odds pushing for the exposure of crimes, assaults and kicking in the teeth of the liberty of the american people via going the impeachment route.

If what is exposed during impeachment proceedings is not enough for either representative or senators to scream for the removal of Bush and Cheney then our Constitutional and government is worth squat.

Impeachment is the journey not necessarily the end result…

I don’t know if anybody else caught Charlie Rose this evening and his interviews: David Ignatius was great (plugging his book) but also telling what he knows about inside ChenyBush WH, and it’s much more troubling than we might know. Apparently Porter Goss was the key person who ruined the CIA rooting out the “nonloyal to Bush”, but that some key people have come back in. Anyway, if you can find a utube of Charlie Rose’s interview with him, it’s worth a watch.

CheckingIn @ 151

wigwam @ 147

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

We have as much chance of having Jesus return than achieving the end filibuster, let alone a veto majority for ending the war..

Also if, with the HELP of congress, Bush goes into Iran… all this Iraq stuff is MUTE.

Much better odds pushing for the exposure of crimes, assaults and kicking in the teeth of the liberty of the american people via going the impeachment route.

If what is exposed during impeachment proceedings is not enough for either representative or senators to scream for the removal of Bush and Cheney then our Constitutional and government is worth squat.

Impeachment is the journey not necessarily the end result…

Yes, we definitely need to embark on that journey! It would clear many of the Executive Privilege claims away! By the way, it’s MOOT, not Mute!!! 8-)

CTuttle @ 149

wigwam @ 147

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

The Hague would be nice!!! ;-)

That would be the most appropriate venue, but
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U…..inal_Court
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T…..vasion_Act
But there is hope:
– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U…..risdiction

Adolph Eichmann was abducted, tried, convicted, and hanged under the doctrine of “universal juristiction” by a nation that did not exist at the time of his crimes but whose dominant religion was that of the majority of his victims. Were this principle applied to George W. Bush …

itwasntme @ 152

I don’t know if anybody else caught Charlie Rose this evening and his interviews: David Ignatius was great (plugging his book) but also telling what he knows about inside ChenyBush WH, and it’s much more troubling than we might know. Apparently Porter Goss was the key person who ruined the CIA rooting out the “nonloyal to Bush”, but that some key people have come back in. Anyway, if you can find a utube of Charlie Rose’s interview with him, it’s worth a watch.

Kewl, it’s not airing yet in my time zone, I shall watch it!!!

adding: bottom line do you want any President having the right to do this shit:

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

via whitehouse.gov

are the careers of our senators and representatives really worth our kids futures?

CheckingIn @ 151

wigwam @ 147

It takes 60 senators to end a filibuster and 67 to sustain an impeachment thereby removing the accused from office.

IMHO, it is necessary that Bush and Cheney be tried, convicted, and sentenced in some criminal court. I’m interested in impeachment only in so far as it hastens their criminal sentences.

We have as much chance of having Jesus return than achieving the end filibuster, let alone a veto majority for ending the war..

Also if, with the HELP of congress, Bush goes into Iran… all this Iraq stuff is MUTE.

Much better odds pushing for the exposure of crimes, assaults and kicking in the teeth of the liberty of the american people via going the impeachment route.

If what is exposed during impeachment proceedings is not enough for either representative or senators to scream for the removal of Bush and Cheney then our Constitutional and government is worth squat.

Impeachment is the journey not necessarily the end result…

I’m not anti-impeachment. Quite the contrary. But, unlike my understanding of Bruce Fein and John Nichols, I don’t think it should stop there.

CTuttle @ 153

CheckingIn @ 151

We have as much chance of having Jesus return than achieving the end filibuster, let alone a veto majority for ending the war..

Also if, with the HELP of congress, Bush goes into Iran… all this Iraq stuff is MUTE.

Much better odds pushing for the exposure of crimes, assaults and kicking in the teeth of the liberty of the american people via going the impeachment route.

If what is exposed during impeachment proceedings is not enough for either representative or senators to scream for the removal of Bush and Cheney then our Constitutional and government is worth squat.

Impeachment is the journey not necessarily the end result…

Yes, we definitely need to embark on that journey! It would clear many of the Executive Privilege claims away! By the way, it’s MOOT, not Mute!!! 8-)

My spelling is totally shit but in this case..

Mute: 3 : remaining silent, undiscovered, or unrecognized

totally applies!

Iran supersedes… totally

CTuttle @ 155

itwasntme @ 152

I don’t know if anybody else caught Charlie Rose this evening and his interviews: David Ignatius was great (plugging his book) but also telling what he knows about inside ChenyBush WH, and it’s much more troubling than we might know. Apparently Porter Goss was the key person who ruined the CIA rooting out the “nonloyal to Bush”, but that some key people have come back in. Anyway, if you can find a utube of Charlie Rose’s interview with him, it’s worth a watch.

Kewl, it’s not airing yet in my time zone, I shall watch it!!!

What time zone are you in? I’m vacationing in Maui and would like to catch this.

Wigwam, I agree the circle must be completed in the impeachment process, we must not continue this madness any further, be it a Dem or a Repug in office! If you had looked at the principle authors of the opinions cited in the wikipedia articles, they were Kissinger and AEI, neither are truly citable references in the ICC, so I feel it is still a viable course of justice that could and should be pursued!!! Milosevic, a christian, is facing a similar trial for war crimes committed against muslims!!!

Milosevic died last year, of a heart attack, in his jail cell at the Hague.

wigwam @ 159

CTuttle @ 155

Kewl, it’s not airing yet in my time zone, I shall watch it!!!

What time zone are you in? I’m vacationing in Maui and would like to catch this.

I’m on the next isle from you! The Big Isle! It’s on channel 10 at 11PM! Are you in Lahaina or Ka’anapali?

Sixstringslingr @ 161

Milosevic died last year, of a heart attack, in his jail cell at the Hague.

I had forgotten about that, oops, maybe we’ll be so lucky with Bush/Cheney!!! ;-)

Its time for another 30 hour filibuster Harry Reid this time do it over the weekend. This time try and force the Republicans to vote on enacting the 9/11 commission recomandations.
Use the leverage of the weekend the Republicans are behind the Democrats in fundraising they need to go out and fundraise more than you do.
Their plan/plea for fundraising is to say they stopped the Democrats from enacting laws. So make them PAY show the American people that the Republicans don’t want to enact the 9/11 commission recomandations.
The 9/11 Widows will thank you Harry if you don’t forget them. Having them on board supporting Democrats will just KILL Rudy.
McCain is broke and desperate for money he might be a swing vote I think he will agree to anything if you let him campaign over the weekend.
The entire Republican Congress is counting on the weekend to raise money this hurts them. The Democrats on the other hand I’m sure will complain until you explain to them that just by trying to enact the 9/11 recomandations you are taking away the terror issue from Republicans.
If anything by making a stand on this issue voters should reward the Democrats with alot more cash than if they went home without trying.

I want to see Jon McCain, Rudy Fred and Mitt try and argue why America will be safer if Congress does not enact the 9/11 commission recomandations. The 9/11 Widows did America a great service it is my hope that with a Democratic Congress their Great Ideas will be enacted.

CheckingIn @ 142

CTuttle @ 140

Just a wee little prob, CheckingIn, the House drafts the Articles of Impeachment, but, the Senate, yes, the Senate are the jurors, and it gets better, you need 67 Senators to convict!!! Just a thought!!!

Yeah… but your’re JUMPING way way head of yourself!

The future is yet to unfold – yes?

And just one more point…Impeachment can occur with an official that no longer holds THAT office since it also blocks future holding of positions of “honor, trust and profit”.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonop3.htm

In fact, post-resignation/tenure impeachment could block any use of residual Presidential power (such as blocking access to Presidential records) or benefits (ranging from franking privileges, the use of the Presidential Seal or Title,office space/staff to receiving Federal contracts if appointed to direct a firm or raising money for a “Presidential Library”).

An impeachment conviction could make it impossible for Bush to raise money for legal costs as a “former President” (although allowing him to do so as citizen Bush”). Also he would be unable to keep his records secret if they were not held as National Security information by the bnext President. Hence, if a criminal prosecution occurred, he couldn’t use his own Executive Order to enable him to hide evidence.

Cheney is, obviously, a much more likely candidate for that than bike-ridin’ Bushie.
A pox on both of their souls.
And on that cheery note, ‘night all!

CTuttle @ 146

CheckingIn @ 143

adding: We’ve seen the passage of time with the supplemental fiasco, the lack of spine about defunding the war… Impeachment… Constitution before party… whole new ball game. If our representatives are prepared to show their loyalities?

Whoa Nellie! I’m all for impeachment! One problem, we need to convince 26-7 repug senators to convict/impeach Bush! That is a tough row to hoe!!!

Actually the House requires only a simple majority to IMPEACH. The Senate then has to go to trial, which requires a 2/3rds majority.

If one looks at the numbers strictly in partisan terms Nixon couldn’t have been convicted. I was 54 Democrats to 46 Republicans at that time. But the evidence was so strong- and mounting- that it looked almost certain that the numbers would be close to conviction by the end of a Senate trial.

But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

cinnamonape @ 168

CTuttle @ 146

Whoa Nellie! I’m all for impeachment! One problem, we need to convince 26-7 repug senators to convict/impeach Bush! That is a tough row to hoe!!!

Actually the House requires only a simple majority to IMPEACH. The Senate then has to go to trial, which requires a 2/3rds majority.

If one looks at the numbers strictly in partisan terms Nixon couldn’t have been convicted. I was 54 Democrats to 46 Republicans at that time. But the evidence was so strong- and mounting- that it looked almost certain that the numbers would be close to conviction by the end of a Senate trial.

But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

I agree it is a simple majority for the House, if you read my comment, I said we need 26/27 Repug Senators to convict(i.e. join the Dem Sens)! Awhile back I had argued with you about Impeachment after they leave office, I had said it couldn’t be done, I sincerely apologize for my erroneous view on that! Moyers had clarified it for me! *g*

Sixstringslingr @ 167

Cheney is, obviously, a much more likely candidate for that than bike-ridin’ Bushie.
A pox on both of their souls.
And on that cheery note, ‘night all!

Nite, Slingr!!!

cinnamonape @ 168

CTuttle @ 146

Whoa Nellie! I’m all for impeachment! One problem, we need to convince 26-7 repug senators to convict/impeach Bush! That is a tough row to hoe!!!

Actually the House requires only a simple majority to IMPEACH. The Senate then has to go to trial, which requires a 2/3rds majority.

If one looks at the numbers strictly in partisan terms Nixon couldn’t have been convicted. I was 54 Democrats to 46 Republicans at that time. But the evidence was so strong- and mounting- that it looked almost certain that the numbers would be close to conviction by the end of a Senate trial.

But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

“But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

Sorry, not with the questionable gang of 14 loyality democrats that I see trying to get a grip on the Party… Time is short…

just sayin’

Ana Marie Cox over at Swampland the Time Magazine blog has tried to find out if Senator Lindsey Graham really had any ancestors who fought in the American Revolutionary war. Like he claimed he did on TV in his Debate with Senator Webb so far she can’t find anything.
Can the Senate expel a Jerk for lying? I mean sure politicans always lie but lying about your family serving in the American Revolution? Assuming that it is a lie of course.
But this does warrant further investigation and if necesary expulsion from the Senate after all if the Revolutionary War isn’t sacred what is?

CheckingIn @ 171

cinnamonape @ 168

Actually the House requires only a simple majority to IMPEACH. The Senate then has to go to trial, which requires a 2/3rds majority.

If one looks at the numbers strictly in partisan terms Nixon couldn’t have been convicted. I was 54 Democrats to 46 Republicans at that time. But the evidence was so strong- and mounting- that it looked almost certain that the numbers would be close to conviction by the end of a Senate trial.

But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

“But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

Sorry, not with the questionable gang of 14 loyality democrats that I see trying to get a grip on the Party… Time is short…

just sayin’

Are you referring to the DLCers, as the Gang of 14?

things come undone @ 172

Ana Marie Cox over at Swampland the Time Magazine blog has tried to find out if Senator Lindsey Graham really had any ancestors who fought in the American Revolutionary war. Like he claimed he did on TV in his Debate with Senator Webb so far she can’t find anything.
Can the Senate expel a Jerk for lying? I mean sure politicans always lie but lying about your family serving in the American Revolution? Assuming that it is a lie of course.
But this does warrant further investigation and if necesary expulsion from the Senate after all if the Revolutionary War isn’t sacred what is?

If we can’t get rid of a Senator who admits to a crime(Prostitution), do you really think that will force his departure???

CTuttle @ 173

CheckingIn @ 171

“But one can also see the benefit of holding a post-tenure impeachment…when the number of Democratic Senators are sure to increase.

Sorry, not with the questionable gang of 14 loyality democrats that I see trying to get a grip on the Party… Time is short…

just sayin’

Are you referring to the DLCers, as the Gang of 14?

Yes… and the dlc 2006 add-ons like bob casey…

2008 — whoopee I haven’t even looked into what schumber has in store for us.

CTuttle@174
Harry has to start having some votes to expel these Senators does he need a majority, 60 votes, or two thirds? But if he can’t expel them and they both turn out to be guilty then we get to kick them around somemore.
Plus their Senate seats if they don’t resign become easy pickups for the Democrats. If I were a Republican I would want them to resign news coverage of those dweebs will only drag down the ticket next election.

CheckingIn @ 175

CTuttle @ 173

Are you referring to the DLCers, as the Gang of 14?

Yes… and the dlc 2006 add-ons like bob casey…

2008 — whoopee I haven’t even looked into what schumber has in store for us.

You’ll get no argument out of me, about that!!! ;-)

Well, time for me to bid another fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!!

CTuttle @ 162

wigwam @ 159

What time zone are you in? I’m vacationing in Maui and would like to catch this.

I’m on the next isle from you! The Big Isle! It’s on channel 10 at 11PM! Are you in Lahaina or Ka’anapali?

Wow! Right on time. Thanks. I’m at Kapalua, right at the ocean cliff, looking out over some bay. It’s stunning. The food here is awesome: Mamma’s, HaliiMaile, and Pinapple Grill so far. I can’t believe it.

The little I have read about Amy Winehouse makes me think she a a real jerk and I couldn’t care less about how she “sings”. Infact I won’t even listen to someone who acts like she does.. why encourage self absorbed a holes?

Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Gail Collins writing about St. McCain who’s splitting his time between 2 endeavors that are going equally well — Iraq and his campaign. Nicholas Kristof wonders if Darth Cheney and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were separated at birth.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day.

Good morning!

Marion in Savannah @ 181

Coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day.

Cinnamon rolls are just a few minutes away from popping from the oven and the tea is strong.

Any idea as to who maybe refusing a subpoena today. Is harriet going to cuffed?

Some idjit from Roll Call (Goldman) on Washington Journo blaming all the lose of “comity” (sp?) in Congress on Harry Reid. Grrrr…… Several times when I’ve heard that word used recently, seems like “comedy” might have been much the better choice. ;-)

Waccamaw @ 184

Some idjit from Roll Call (Goldman) on Washington Journo blaming all the lose of “comity” (sp?) in Congress on Harry Reid. Grrrr…… Several times when I’ve heard that word used recently, seems like “comedy” might have been much the better choice. ;-)

Any sense of comity was killed by Newt Gingrich. The Repigs have themselves to blame…

SanderO @ 180

The little I have read about Amy Winehouse makes me think she a a real jerk and I couldn’t care less about how she “sings”. Infact I won’t even listen to someone who acts like she does.. why encourage self absorbed a holes?

Because one day they might be president??

Marion -

Yeh, newty AND delay AND the list goes on……….

Mornin’ all!

From today’s Broder ( no link, I’m so sick of him other than as comment fodder ):

That may be consolation for John McCain, who is the most stubbornly principled person in the Republican field. He is being punished now for saying what he believes about Iraq and immigration, among other things. But the examples of Goldwater and McGovern tell us that battle-tested veterans who take the abuse and don’t abandon their beliefs can inspire a movement of enduring importance.

The only movement that Straight Talk will inspire will take place
in private, behind bathroom doors, with a fresh supply of Charmin at hand.

Prince of Darkness desperately whining to rehabilitate himself on Morning Joe today. Look for deconstruction soon on Media Matters….

As for the Sunshine house, if Novak’s so innocent in all this, why did he have to get immunity?

Why conduct an investigation when you know no underlying crime’s been committed? asks Joe.

Fitzgerald did not decide there was no underlying crime, you a*holes! He said Libby obstructed his ability to get at the underlying crimes sufficiently for a prosecution. And Bush pardoned Libby to keep that sand flyin’.

Desperately spinnin’ Novak and Mornin’ Joe this morning….

Hi Everybody –

Been workin my little heart out trying to copy the cartoon from The New Yorker that punaise at 49 from the last thread.
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punaise View this users Facebook profile says:
July 18th, 2007 at 8:21 pm

one of the supreme disappointments in my life has been acknowledging a profound inability to come up with anything remotely funny in the weekly New Yorker cartoon caption contest.

zip, zilch, zero, zed, nada.

How’s this?

No, I’m sorry; the period goes inside the parenthesis.

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I couldn’t get The New Yorker page to print no matter what I did so you’ll have to go back to his comment at 49.

‘morning!

Here’s the link to Sen Webb’s floor statement (as prepared) on Levin/Reed.

a snippet:

…
And there is another, vital point that needs to be raised tonight. For the good of the country, we in the Congress need to find a way to come together, on both sides of the aisle, and work toward a solution that will end our presence in Iraq, increase the stability of that region, increase our ability to fight international terrorism around the world, and allow the United States to focus on the larger strategic issues that have been neglected in large part for more than five years.

This is the political version of the World War One Battle of the Somme…

allen and other fire pups -

I was gonna ask earlier if anyone who heard mccain speak yesterday found his words had a really *strange* tone? Ok, ok, I know the guy is strange. ;-) Am having much trouble verbalizing what I mean by that word……..but it almost had a concession speech feeling to it.

Waccamaw @ 193

allen and other fire pups -

I was gonna ask earlier if anyone who heard mccain speak yesterday found his words had a really *strange* tone? Ok, ok, I know the guy is strange. ;-) Am having much trouble verbalizing what I mean by that word……..but it almost had a concession speech feeling to it.

I wrote that he looked like he was ready for a long rest. It’s as if he declared he was going to go down with the ship.

Waccamaw @ 193

allen and other fire pups -

I was gonna ask earlier if anyone who heard mccain speak yesterday found his words had a really *strange* tone? Ok, ok, I know the guy is strange. ;-) Am having much trouble verbalizing what I mean by that word……..but it almost had a concession speech feeling to it.

i think he was up all night for the iraq debate (and i think that, at least at one point he took some kind of upper). maybe he was very tired/crashed?

selise -

I don’t have any experience with actions that might be produced by uppers, but, for me, it wasn’t the way he looked or acted, but the content of what he was actually saying.

Boston1775 @ 194

Waccamaw @ 193

allen and other fire pups -

I was gonna ask earlier if anyone who heard mccain speak yesterday found his words had a really *strange* tone? Ok, ok, I know the guy is strange. ;-) Am having much trouble verbalizing what I mean by that word……..but it almost had a concession speech feeling to it.

I wrote that he looked like he was ready for a long rest. It’s as if he declared he was going to go down with the ship.

I’ll second that. He knows things that we don’t. It’s over.

Dan Rather coming up on Mornin’ Joe.

Opportunity to cleanse the palate of the poison slop that is Novak.

new thread

Liberated Rather on Morning Joe:

All Mark Cuban told me was: be excellent and be fearless.

His first documentary, Coming Home, is Emmy-nominated. I’d say Dan Rather’s met the standard.

See, Senators, it can be done.

CTuttle @ 160

Wigwam, I agree the circle must be completed in the impeachment process, we must not continue this madness any further, be it a Dem or a Repug in office! If you had looked at the principle authors of the opinions cited in the wikipedia articles, they were Kissinger and AEI, neither are truly citable references in the ICC, so I feel it is still a viable course of justice that could and should be pursued!!! Milosevic, a christian, is facing a similar trial for war crimes committed against muslims!!!

Also John Edwards http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..57_pf.html and he is on the right side of the argument.