Presumably, there are SOME left, in your mind.

Perris et al – this is the Executive Order signed by Bush that Hartman was talking about – it is not reassuring:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..717-3.html

b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

The way I read this part is that if anyone supports someone who is declared to be a terrorist, or supporting terrorists by Bush, they can be stripped of everything they own.

That effectively strips those held in Gitmo…or even American citizens like that college professor in Washington who had his fingerprints mistakenly identified on some documents in a Spanish bombers apartment, of any pro bono legal support.

And get this…it’s not LIMITED TO those types of assistance…if you write an op-ed or a blog piece calling into question the charges against those groups or individuals…that could be construed as “supporting those who are involved in violence”.

How many times have Democrats and progressives been charged with “supporting terrorists” for opposing Bush’s policies and actions?

This is one hell of a nasty Presidential Order…and I could be charged with “supporting the violence” just by saying so!

Christ, I feel like I’m talking to Joe Lieberman. :o)

Marshhen:

With at least a half million of them dead, and another million who’ve left, and with their country a hellhole of violence and mayhem, AND WITH NO FUCKING END IN SIGHT…

I was under the impression that george bush and Company had pretty well fulfilled the “someone has to get tough with them” requirement.

But perhaps, your, and Ms. Clinton’s mileage varies?

Bay State Librul @ 115

or pig-headed?

Are Orthodox Jews allowed to be pig-headed?

Orthodox Jews suffer from the same disease as other orthodox religions: Fundamentia

“This woman’s eye is on the ball”

Marshhen: Here’s where her eye was, one month ago, in a speech to the “Take Back America” conference, for which she was roundly booed:

“…So, (she added) the American military has succeeded. It is the Iraqi government which has failed to make the tough decisions that are important for their own people.”

Since you may not know it, that is one of the latest bushCo talking points; something like:

“Our invasion and occupation has given them the opportunity for a new start, and the Iraqi government just won’t come out from under that nice desk in the green zone, that american taxpayers paid Halliburton 6 figures for.”

I would suggest that Ms. Clinton’s eye is on the same “ball” that it’s been on, ever since she voted to authorize the loon crusade in 2002, which is, to get herself elected, no matter how many times she has to get into bed with george bush and the people who have created the misery.

With Iraq going into it’s death spiral, I would suggest to Clinton, and to you, that if our military has “succeeded”, then it would be better for them to have failed.

Someone has to get tough with the Iraqis sometime and it better be the next president of the United States.

Marshhen: Here’s where her eye was, one month ago, in a speech to the “Take Back America” conference, for which she was roundly booed:

“…So, (she added) the American military has succeeded. It is the Iraqi government which has failed to make the tough decisions that are important for their own people.”

Since you may not know it, that is one of the latest bushCo talking points; something like:

“Our invasion and occupation has given them the opportunity for a new start, and the Iraqi government just won’t come out from under that nice desk in the green zone, that american taxpayers paid Halliburton 6 figures for.”

I would suggest that Ms. Clinton’s eye is on the same “ball” that it’s been on, ever since she voted to authorize the loon crusade in 2002, which is, to get herself elected, no matter how many times she has to get into bed with george bush and the people who have created the misery.

With Iraq going into it’s death spiral, I would suggest to Clinton, and to you, that if our military has “succeeded”, then it would be better for them to have failed.

NOW has also come out with a strong statement about the vote: It should have gone the other way acc. to the will of the people.

from back up thread:
milking [shorthorn].

I read that in Illiinois they used a patch of replanted prairie to make ethanol. Got a better yield from the mixed plants than from corn. I’m under the impression that they didn’t have to uproot the plants to do it, but I could easily be wrong; something that could be mowed and regrow (without being replanted) sounds really good.

That’s the beauty of prairie grasses, they grow best following either burning or mowing — ya gotta love perennials. Unless you’re Cargill and ADM ’cause then you can’t make a profit on selling the patented seeds.