I am told by a source who knows the head count that we are within a slim margin on the habeas restoration amendment — and that the vote could still go either way. It is a razor thin margin right now, which means there is no Senator whose vote can be taken for granted.
Yesterday, I asked you to make a few calls on behalf of habeas restoration and the Constitution. Today, I’m asking you to make some more. The following list are the Senators who are currently being targeted for not having an announced position one way or the other:
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN)
Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Sen. George Voinavich (R-OH)
Sen. John Sununu (R-NH)
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR)
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Please, take some time this morning to call both your Senators — whether they are on this list or not – and then call a few from the above list as well to voice your support for the full restoration of habeas. You can call your Senators toll free using the following numbers (h/t to katymine):
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
If you are searching for reasons why your elected representatives should support habeas restoration, here are a few somewhat paraphrased from a source close to the process):
– The Military Commissions Act’s elimination of habeas rights is not restricted to Guantanamo detainees. It applies to any one of the approximately 12 million lawful permanent residents in the United States today, people who work and pay taxes here. The MCA permits the Government to detain these lawful residents, potentially forever, without ever charging them or notifying them of the reasons for detention, without holding a trial, or having that trial subject to an independent judicial review. The government need not even find that a non-citizen is an enemy combatant for habeas rights to be stripped. A detainee can simply be “awaiting” determination, which can go on indefinitely.
– Restoring habeas would send a clear message that when we preach democracy and the importance of civil rights to the rest of the world, we are not being hypocritical. Restoring habeas is in America’s national strategic interest, as habeas restoration would best ensure that we have a credible system for detaining people who actually pose a threat to the U.S.
– The American Bar Association supports this bill. They commented that habeas “serves as an important check on the power of executive detention and embodies the fundamental principle that one should not be held by the government without opportunity for a fair and impartial determination that there is a reasonable basis in law and fact for the detention.” Respected conservatives including University of Chicago Professor Richard Epstein, and David Keene, head of the American Conservative Union, have called for restoring habeas rights. So have evangelical leaders, including Professor David Gushee, head of Evangelicals for Human Rights. Former top military lawyers have strongly advocated for restoring habeas rights. Rear Admiral Donald Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, wrote that the elimination of habeas rights for detainees “makes us weaker and imperils our valiant troops.” Respect for the rule of law is not a partisan issue — it is a patriotic American issue, and Americans who support liberty and justice for all know that the current policy is simply wrong.
– Scholars have identified one case in which a U.S. court actually granted habeas relief to an enemy alien. In the unreported case of United States v. Thomas Williams, Chief Justice Marshall, riding circuit, granted relief to an alien enemy combatant irregularly detained. Further, if habeas was available to enemy alien prisoners of war in the two World War II-era cases of Ex Parte Quirin and In re Yamashita, where the petitioners had already benefited from some kind of judicial proceeding or military commission, then surely habeas is available to those who seek to challenge executive detention without having had the benefit of any process in accordance with the law of war.
– Federal district courts can easily handle habeas petitions from Guantanamo detainees, which is precisely what they were doing before habeas was stripped away by the last Congress. Habeas petitions were proceeding in an orderly manner in the District Court in Washington, D.C.; no detainees were ordered released; and no judge had ordered changes to detainees’ conditions of confinement. A distinguished group of retired judges wrote to Congress last year, saying that judges have been doing this, and doing it well, for years.
– Federal judges are all cleared to view classified documents, and there are procedures in place that were approved by Congress to handle classified information in federal proceedings. It demeans our federal judiciary to assert that judges cannot be trusted to safeguard classified information, as they have been doing for decades.
– In habeas proceedings judges need not – and do not – bring in the detainee and hold an evidentiary hearing in every case. If habeas were restored, the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. would have great discretion on how to manage habeas petitions from the Guantanamo detainees. A habeas hearing is nothing like a full-blown trial. All of the presumptions are in favor of the government. The government merely has to lay out its basis for the decision to detain – all of which can be done through affidavit statements without having to bring in live witnesses or pull anyone off the battlefield. The burden rests with the detainee to prove that he is being held illegally. (And, I would point out that all of Jon Kyl’s bloviating on this yesterday afternoon was both false and misleading — and it was done on the floor of the Senate. For shame.)
– Most federal habeas claims are resolved in the government’s favor on the basis of paper submissions alone. The habeas claims considered prior to passage of the MCA did not result in soldiers being pulled in from the battlefield.
Please make some calls today. For your Constitution, for your nation…and for all the generations to come. Help the Senate choose liberty and justice for all.
(Photo of razor wire via -po.)
UPDATE: The Amendment is S.2022 — it is the same as the original S.185 which passed the Senate Judiciary committee, and both were sponsored by Leahy and Specter.



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Good morning, pups!
Good morning Christy!
Good morning gang!
I can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone would NOT support habeas unless they were in love with fascism.
Oh, and good morning everyone.
Good Morning!
It’s a pleasure to be dialing for Habeas
“DO YOUR JOB” campaign in defense of the US Constitution.
Ladies:
Excellent work to compel Senator Reid to force the pending all-nighter…with the simple phrase:
“Senator Reid, Do your job!”
The individual photos of American Citizens holding signs is perfect…and thousands of these would have a greater impact than any protest in the streets (since any such protest would not be broadcast by the Pravda-like “news” organizations under the full control of Mr. Goebbels, er, rather, Rove).
I think it’s time to turn that into a full blown netroots campaign across ALL participating blogs, targeting each Senator by name, one at a time. Call it the “DO YOUR JOB” campaign in defense of the US Constitution. Enable a web site to accept millions of pictures of average citizens holding “Do your job!” signs, with personal appeals to individual Senators – categorized by Senator.
For the record, Nancy Pelosi’s JOB is to impeach this entire administration.
“Senator Pelosi – DO YOUR JOB!”
Morning everyone — coffee’s just finished brewing and I have a big crockpot full of black bean soup started for dinner this evening. How is everyone this morning?
Good Morning to everyone.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
feeling empowered!
Morning!
If habeas is gone, so is the Bill of Rights for everyone.
Such a simple concept, but just like the jitterbug, it plumb escapes some folks…
great heads up Christy
I’d like to remind everyone to put their requests in real terms
don’t only use the term “habeas corpus” but challenge the president’s authority to;
“hold anyone he doesn’t want to testify in jail for no reason what so ever”
“prevent a patriot from proving the charges made up against them were created in a depraved officials head so he could steal”
things like that
we have to let them know this isn’t just some “liberal ideology”
we have to put the person taking our call in the shoes of someone the president wants to suspend habeas protection
I hope one of the lawyers could put into real language what’s at stake and post the list here so when we call we can put into terms that make sense to the operator taking the calls
damn, Christy, multitask much? Save the nation and cook soup alla same time!
Kathryn at 12 — Welcome to the wonderful world of “house full of company.” *g*
“How is everyone this morning?”
Ready to work! Let’s get to it!
– Restoring habeas would send a clear message that when we preach democracy and the importance of civil rights to the rest of the world, we are not being hypocritical.
Which makes Lugar’s non-stance particularly puzzling. The guy is a foreign-policy wonk (and, unfortunately, little else). I’m amazed that *he* hasn’t gotten it.
Since it’s raining hard here in Indy, I will probably not walk into his office (where I’d probably get a hi, Jay, what’s on your mind today), and just make some calls.
I hope that Senate offices don’t have caller ID, since I’m probably gonna sock-puppet myself again today. I made several different calls to Reid’s office yesterday – it’s kinda fun coming up with different names to give ‘em when they ask…heh
Good morning Christy,
On the docket for today is packing and reorganizing what I already packed. The house hunting is over. We’re back to buying the house I wanted to begin with. Our house seems to be selling as well. If all the dominos fall into place we’re good.
Planning to get to Chicago on Tues afternoon so I can play in the city for a day or two before YK2 takes over my life. Anyone else going early? Also I’ve got a double room booked at the convention hotel and spouse is not going so I can take in someone who might want to split the costs and be where the action is.
RevDeb @ 4
There’s your answer.
ace @ 6
small, but important quibble, ace:
Nancy Pelosi is not a Senator, she is a Congresswoman (as in House of Representatives).
Bush will simply veto this amendment or, if pressed (though he probably won’t be) sign it and disregard it.
Linda @ 19
Yes, but put the burden on him to flout centuries of judicial tradition.
Linda @ 19
So the best we can do is get the senators who approve of fascism on record as supporting fascism. If that’s the best we can do, then lets do it.
Linda at 19 — He will have to veto the entire defense appropriation then, because that is the bill to which it will be attached. And if he does so, the defense appropriation would be an awfully good test bill for a veto override. Hmmmm?
Dear Mr. diggerence:
Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding habeas corpus and S.576, the Restoring the Constitution Act. I appreciate hearing from all Pennsylvanians about the issues that matter most to them.
The Restoring the Constitution Act was introduced in the Senate on February 13, 2007 by Senator Christopher Dodd. This bill has been referred to the Senate Committee on Armed Services, of which I am not a member. Please be assured that should this bill come before the full Senate I will have your views in mind.
If you have access to the Internet, I encourage you to frequently visit my web site, http://casey.senate.gov. In the months ahead, I will continue to develop the site in order to allow you to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington. If you wish to e-mail me, you can do so on the web site.
Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.
Sincerely,
Bob Casey
United States Senator
Dear Senator Lieberman:
Do you know what the Nazis did to the Jews?
Then vote to restore Habeas Corpus.
It’s as simple as that.
***CHS notes: This one skates awfully close to the line for me. So let’s not go over it this morning, shall we? I get the point of this, but there are less explosive ways of making it, eh? Thanks.***
No one told me Lieberman had a recording of Desperado Droopy answering his phone. That voice…
biff diggerence @ 23
Sounds like I’m going to be very busy when I move to PA next month.
Hagel, Collins, Snowe, Coleman and Voinovich also are puzzling. Why Mary Landrieu isn’t on a never-ending crusade to screw with this admin at every single opportunity may be the biggest mystery of all.
Anyone here remember Habeas Corpus from Doc Savage?
RevDeb:
Welcome to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Dear Senator Nelson,
Do you believe in “..Liberty and Justice for All? “
Then vote to restore Habeas Corpus.
It’s as simple as that.
I can’t believe I am up so early!
Habeas, shmabeus. We’re not flouting just centuries of tradition – we are going for a whole millennium! Back to the Dark Ages, where all fundamentalist religio-fascists want to take us, no matter what the religion.
These Dems who aren’t Dems are a legacy of Big Dog’s Third Way big tentism that helped demolish the party’s identity. The grassroots has to focus on these party matters in the long run if votes in Congress are important to them.
biff diggerence @ 29
Biff,
what part of the Commonwealth are you in?
Dear Senator Craig:
Are you a Christian?
Do you believe that we should “do unto others and we would have them do unto us?”
Then vote to restore “Habeus Corpus.”
It’s as simple as that.
Good morning, Christy and FDL breakfasters:
Black bean soup – yummy! Loving fresh fruit and yoghurt for summer desserts, and am so happy to have raspberries in season now! Got to appreciate the little joys….
Restoration of habeas – that in itself is a terrible thing to even have to write.
This is America?
Did some sort of educational/moral disaster occur during the past half-century? In the Congress of the United States (not Russia or Zimbabwe), how can a vote on habeas corpus be close? And most of them are lawyers, too?
RevDeb:
Berks County, Reading, Mt. Penn Borough.
60 miles west of Philly.
They asked?
the fact that we have to fight for this…beg these money entrenched congress assholes to fucking honor our most fundamental founding principle…really they’re all as bad as Bush, worse even
clem @ 35
Sorry clem, this isn’t America any more. It died January 20, 2001. It started on its way in 1994 when the thugs took over under Gingrich, and Clinton accommodated them.
biff diggerence @ 37
Not too far. I’ll be west of Philly too but not so far west. Send me an e-mail at my name at mac dot com.
Lugar still on the fence.
jayt @ 27
Same goes for Lieberman. If I’d been screwed by them the way Joe was in 2000, I would not be the administration’s BFF. Why Lieberman doesn’t go into a crazed rage every time he sees Cheney do vice-presidential stuff is beyond me.
Habeas? Alan Dershowitz over at Huffpo this a.m. says Dems need to strike an appropriate balance between security and liberty. I guess in his view, there exists a presumption of possible guilt that justifies disregarding the constitution. Just an aside: I would bet A.D. supports Hil.
Dear (shiver) Senator Coleman:
Which of your chameleon coats will you be wearing when restoring Habeas comes up for a vote?
Have you got the numbers down so you can decide whether it will serve your political ambitions to vote for it?
Have you ever in your life done the thing that’s best for your country, regardless of your personal advantage?
Just asking.
Hugs,
Barbara
dakine01 @ 10
Actually habeas corpus is in the CONSTITUTION ITSELF. It states that habeas corpus can ONLY be suspended by the President in time of INVASION and CIVIL INSURRECTION. It mentions nothing about doing so in time of war. This indicates that such suspension is only viable DUE TO disruptions in the ability to have fair trials. If one has civil courts then one can’t suspend the basic Constitutional right. Congress can’t, the President can’t.
Given that there a lots of Civil Courts to hear these cases then there is simply no rationale for emasculating the Constitution!
fahrender @ 24
Fahrender, I am troubled by your inclusion of religion in these, including asking Senator Craig if he is a Christian.
Can we keep religion out of this please?
clem @ 36
“Did IQs just suddenly drop sharply while I was away?”
fahrender @ 34
it really isn’t that simple, add;
“do you think the president should be able to hold you in jail for no reason what so ever and then make up a law in his own head that never existed and say “see, you are a criminal”?
“do you think if somebody makes up crap about you or your kid you should be able to prove they are making it up?”
“do you think if they want to rape your daughter they should be allowed to make up some crime that doesn’t exist and hold her, do whatever they want to her and never let you prove they made up crap to enslave her?”
man, we really have to frame this the way it needs to be framed
we have to do things like that when we call
RevDeb @ 41
oops moi (above) at mac dot com.
fahrender @ 24
Understood, General, Ma’am. I do hope that the Senator reads it though. Having been a party to the horrors in Iraq and seemingly quite eager to inflict even worse on Iran, he needs something to give him an attitude adjustment, not that my words will do it …..
Impeachment of Gonzales needs to happen first. He’s one of the architects of Guantanamo and suspending Habeus Corpus. And he’s obstructing justice – while he’s the head of the DOJ. Impeach him and the rest will follow.
I certainly hope that the 2008 opponents of the Senators on the fence are poised to turn this into a huge campaign issue, especially the endangered ones – Snowe, Coleman, Sununu and Landrieu. My state delegation is batshit crazy (Texas) and since LA is so close, I can sort of understand Landrieu since she has nutcakes she represents, but after Katrina, I just don’t get it.
RevDeb @ 41
Will do.
If Big Mitch is still around…here’s something useful in his efforts to get Applebee’s to stop spponsoring Bill O’Reilly.
OPU’d from last thread.
“I wonder if Applebee’s INTERNATIONAL would really appreciate the revelation that they sponsor the anti-Arab, anti-Mexican, anti-Brazilian, etc. spews of Dild O’Reilly!
Applebee’s has franchises in Bahrein, Brazil, Canada (19), Chile,
Ecuador, Egypt, Greece (2), Guatemala, Honduras (4), Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mexico (lots! 19 ), Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
I don’t think that Applebee’s would be appreciative of it being widely known that the sponsor O’Reilly’s racist and extremist claptrap.
Bad for business “down in the neighborhood” and all that!
http://www.applebees.com/Inter…..spx”
GeorgeSimian @ 52
Kind of a dress rehearsal?
Here is what Thomas Jefferson said:
Lindy @ 48
I think I saw it on a discussion on KO or maybe somewhere else. The point being made was that the current congress does not know the Constitution well. Just imagine that!
They spend probably 1/4 to 1/2 of their time raising money, spend the same amount in their offices or on the floor of the House or Senate, spend the rest with the press or their staff. When do they take the time to, you know, READ THE CONSTITUTION!?!?!?
Really sad.
barbara @ 56
No. If Congress tries to impeach Bush/Cheney with Gonzo still head of the DOJ, Congress will not be able to get evidence it needs because Gonzo will stonewall, he’ll refuse to enforce subpoenas, and he’ll continue enforcing the law that “if the President does it, it’s legal”. How can you press a case for impeachment with that going on?
“[T]he great privilege of habeas corpus, and of trial by jury, which are the supreme protection invented by the English people for ordinary individuals against the State . . . —The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law and particularly to deny him the judgement of his peers—is, in the highest degree, odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian governments . . . Extraordinary powers assumed by the Executive with the consent of Parliament in emergencies should be yielded up, when and as, the emergency declines . . . This IS really the test of civilisation.”
—Winston S. Churchill, Cable to Home Secretary Herbert Morrison from Cairo (Churchill responds to critics over the decision to release accused Nazi collaborator Oswald Moseley), Nov. 21, 1943.
RevDeb @ 58
Here is
a link to the Constitution. Good reading for all of us? And to forward as deemed appropriate.
GeorgeSimian @ 52
Impeachment of Gonzales needs to happen first. He’s one of the architects of Guantanamo and suspending Habeus Corpus. And he’s obstructing justice – while he’s the head of the DOJ. Impeach him and the rest will follow.
I would agree if not for the (lack of) time factor. Although, (he says, contradicting himself), the evidence against Abu is already there, and would require little, if any, additional fact-finding. But how much time would the impeachment process itself chew up?
Saxby Chambliss’ office HUNG UP ON ME. Nice,classy too.
OT – new poll shows that the Repub favorite for 2008 is “none of the above”.
Hilarious.
GeorgeSimian @ 59
I know. What I was driving at (badly) was that Gonzo impeachment allows for gathering the relevant material, inquiry as to the appropriateness of impeachment, drafting articles of impeachment, bringing to the House for a vote. (See, LHP, I was paying attention!) Which also provides the foundation for Cheney/Bush impeachments and a kind of dry run to see how it all plays out.
Speaking of the Constitution, I have impeachment postcards featuring a photo of the Constitution and a gavel ready to in a pdf format for anyone who would like the file.
I also have a pdf file for window sticker that says Impeach.
Send me a e-mail at my username at dot mac.
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On the religion issue – I think in some cases, it should be used. The people I use it on are those who use it as a weapon. Asking someone if they believe in the values that they constantly espouse is a valid debate point. But then, we at the Lake and at all our other beloved sites (TPM, EW, Digby, etc.) are rational, thoughtful, caring human beings. The opposition is from another planet that I have never heard of. How did they get here?
anangryoldbroad @ 63
They are probably busy because we had a wingnut runoff today for Norwood’s seat.
The rules of the Senate are opaque. This is from Report for the Congress on Filibuster and Cloture in the Senate.
The problem is that there is no way to force a vote in the Senate. Voting only happens when no one wants to talk any more. The Report makes it clear that anyone can talk pretty much forever on any “legislative day” so one or two people can stop action.
This problem persists because the Senate rules continue from one legislative session to the next according to Rule V section 2: “The rules of the Senate shall continue from one Congress to the next Congress unless they are changed as provided in these rules.” The cloture vote to amend the Senate vote is 67 senators, per Rule XXII.
But maybe this is a solution. The existing Defense Authorization bill is withdrawn and resubmitted with an Iraq withdrawal provision which is acceptable to the majority of senators. Then the filibuster is real. The opponents are the ones who are not funding the troops. Eventually there will have to be a vote on the bill because it is necessary.
I don’t know, though. The rules of the Senate are opaque.
raven1 @ 68
Did they catch him?
egregious @ 47
Seperation of Church and State. I get it. I wish they would. I understand your concerns and I won’t do it any more.
There are significant and important connections, however, between the Judeo-Christian heritage and habeas corpus. Both of the Senators to which I addressed my statements are prominent in their religions.
I just wish that they would recognize the humanistic and altruistic ideals that connect habeas corpus to their religious beliefs. We need a wee bit more of the merciful, understanding God amongst our leaders and somewhat less of the wrathful, angry, unforgiving one.
barbara @ 56
the big problem is time ……
angry at 62 — Were I you, I would call his local office and let them kno you didn’t appreciate being hung up on by the DC crowd. And then I’d write a letter to the editor about how Sen. Chambliss doesn’t care about his constituents now that he’s gone all Beltway bigheaded now that he’s hanging out with the fancy folks in DC and it’s gone to his ego and all.
Now I come to the second danger of these two marauders which threatens the cottage, the home, and the ordinary people-namely, tyranny. We cannot be blind to the fact that the liberties enjoyed by individual citizens throughout the British Empire are not valid in a considerable number of countries, some of which are very powerful. In these States control is enforced upon the common people by various kinds of all-embracing police governments. The power of the State is exercised without restraint, either by dictators or by compact oligarchies operating through a privileged party and a political police. It is not our duty at this time when difficulties are so numerous to interfere forcibly in the internal affairs of countries which we have not conquered in war.
But we must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence.
All this means that the people of any country have the right, and should have the power by constitutional action, by free unfettered elections, with secret ballot, to choose or change the character or form of government under which they dwell; that freedom of speech and thought should reign; that courts of justice, independent of the executive, unbiased by any party, should administer laws which have received the broad assent of large majorities or are consecrated by time and custom. Here are the title deeds of freedom which should lie in every cottage home. Here is the message of the British and American peoples to mankind. Let us preach what we practise – let us practise what we preach.
Winston Churchill “Sinews of Peace” Address (1946)
Why is Congress selling our Constitutional heritage? Our title deeds of freedom? Our “message to mankind”?
Why are we becoming like a two-bit dictatorship or compact oligarchy?
anangryoldbroad @ 62
What part of lovely GA are you in?
Very depressing post. To think that we have to call our Senators to put something into law that is actually in the Constitution, and that if we don’t, it won’t really be there anymore. What is really discouraging is that I doubt that except for a couple of Republic cavemen, all of them accept that it is not nice to arrest people and hold them indefinitely without telling them why they were arrested. It tells us how truly afraid they are of negative advertising (’soft on terrorism’), and that in turn tells us something very discouraging about the American people’s susceptibility to that advertising.
What a f**k’n mess. Keep up the good work. Hope for the best.
fahrender @ 72
Yes, but it puts something in motion, unlike current time. And IANL, but surely what is done to impeach Gonzales would be part of Bush/Cheney impeachment as well, i.e., bang for the buck. And the unequivocal message that Congress is serious about this. That Congress is through tip-toeing around the impeachment issue. That Congress is on the march, and BushCo is in its crosshairs. Oh, lordy, I have military metaphors. Sorry.
Balrog @ 70
We’ll have to wait and see. The vote is today but it was an incredible campaign of these to assholes trying to out conservative each other. As far as any appeal to Georgia voters about Saxby, good luck, these morons have just what they want.
I’ve had my two (large) cups of coffee. Time to get to all the stuff I need to do before heading off to the Pacific NW next week for a brief R&R on the beach with my sister and her incredibly adorable kids.
jayt @ 62
I would agree if not for the (lack of) time factor. Although, (he says, contradicting himself), the evidence against Abu is already there, and would require little, if any, additional fact-finding. But how much time would the impeachment process itself chew up?
BTW One can still impeach AFTER one has resigned or left their office. It is a method to dishonor and prevent a person from holding any position of honor, trust or profit from the US government henceforth.
No contracts, no business deals while head of a corporation, no grants, loans, no franking privilege, no Secret Service protection, no appointments to any Federal committee, ambassadorship, etc.
anangryoldbroad @ 63
Yea, I’ve gotten hung-up on by both of my Senators, Roberts and Brownback. They are cowards!
JF @ 75
Lovely GA? Ack. LOL. Northwest part of the state. Very conservative right wing fundie land.
anangryoldbroad @ 81
I’m in Marietta. ’bout the same here.
OK, called my senators (Dole & Burr – blegh). Will now make the calls to those on Christy’s list.
Some good news perhaps on the nurses in Libya story. Let’s hope.
Mornin Firepups. I don’t usually shop in Hallmark, but Sunday I was in there getting supplies for an upcoming baby shower. They had, and I bought, a tiny (but complete) US Constitution — amendments and all. It was less than five dollars. It’s probably too late to effect this vote, but what if we each bought one for each of our Senators (and Representative) and snail-mailed them to their offices? Then, we could send emails to everybody we know in the
mainstream presswurlitzer to tell them what we’re doing and one sentence worth of why. Maybe somebody would pick-up on it. Or we could just tell Keith O. and hope for a special comment note.Anyone know HoJoe’s fax number? I have to gather my thoughts before I contact that one so I can be coherent and polite. *ack*
JF @ 83
ya’ll get over to the people’s republic of Athens much?
alexandriacynic @ 86
Most of them already have copies sitting on their racks for constituents to take. I have a handful that I brought home with me from some trip I made to DC. They get them from their own printing office for free and GIVE them out.
So how do we get them to read it?
Thanks for the action item–just crossposted it at my blog.
Boycotts must be sharply defined to be effective. Unfortunately we cannot boycott General Electric, at least for now.
But we can BOYCOTT NESTLES’S. BOYCOTT APPLEBEE”S. BOYCOTT RUSSELL STOVER CANDY.
mui @ 87
HoJo’s fax:
202-224-9750
raven1 @ 87
Haven’t been up there in several years.
Just called sununu’s office in DC. The office person said that he supports restoration but it depends on what other things are in the Bill. Artful dodger he.
No Raven,I wish I could get over that way sometimes,but it’s just WAY out of the way.With the kiddo and other things happening,I’ve had to hang close to home these days. One of these days I’d like to do a potluck dinner or something with FDL folks around these parts.
JF,I’m not super far from Marietta. Actually,once you get out of the Atlanta Metro,north GA is pretty in some places. Cloudland Canyon is beautiful.
Eek I called HoJoe’s office. (you don’t know what that took.) I started to give my spiel. Staff said o.k. “I’ll make a note. Can I have your zip code?”
FDLers keep calling that S.O. . . , er I mean senator.
Frank33 @ 91
Been boycotting Nestle’s for decades now. And I used to really like their chocolate too. It’s the Stouffers Lasagna that’s been the hardest to give up.
RevDeb @ 85
thanks for the link. a bit of hope is good.
no thanks to 4 of our senators, though:
nomolos @ 94
Just called sununu’s office in DC. The office person said that he supports restoration but it depends on what other things are in the Bill. Artful dodger he.
I got the same from Lugar. Made clear that I was talking about a vote on that particular amendment, not the bill as a whole.
I just called Lieberman’s office, and a nice young man says they’ve been getting a lot of calls, and are keeping a tally. He says the senator still hasn’t decided.
I let them know I am a Connecticut resident, and I didn’t let him know that I think Lieberman is scum.
anangryoldbroad @ 95
And the crappie fishin in Lake Weiss is awesome!
anangryoldbroad @ 94
I’d love to do a potluck sometime. Once the kid gets a little older, we’re going to get up into the wilderness up north some more. See the sights. My wife keeps telling me about Cloudland Canyon, but we haven’t made it up there, yet.
cfeddy @ 100
I am pretty sure that even his office people know that
just started making my calls… and i have a question. what is the number of the “habeas restoration amendment” we’re calling about today? i want to make sure to refer to the correct one (the one that’s being voted on today). thanks!
Here’s a good one. Unhappy spooks have been blowing whistles.
More of this please.
cfeddy @ 100
I applaud you. It’s hard to put on your “best face” so to speak to call that office. For me, it’s sorta like “o.k., think pink, think pink. Now for habeas corpus.”
IHOP just bought Applebee’s.
JF @ 102
Make sure you get over to Raven Cliff’s, Brasstown Bald, Black Rock Mountain. The loop from Blue Ridge to Clayton on 76 and then back on 64 through North Carolina and Tennessee is awesome.
mui @ 87
I love contacting Lieberman via fax. Here are his various #s:
Washington, DC Office
706 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-4041 Voice
(202) 224-9750 Fax
Connecticut Office
One Constitution Plaza
7th Floor
Hartford, CT 06103
(860) 549-8463 Voice
(800) 225-5605 In CT
(860) 549-8478 Fax
Selise — The Amendment is S.2022 — it is the same as the original S.185 which passed the Senate Judiciary committee, and both were sponsored by Leahy and Specter.
Marie Roget @ 109
Ah Merci!
Wrt the comments about Applebee’s -
Just read in this mornings dead-tree edition of nearest large-town paper:
IHOP announced yesterday that it plans to buy AB’s. “Move comes as Wall Street analysts are expecting a difficult 2nd qt earnings season in the restaurant sector as soaring commodity costs are hurting restaurant profits and consumers facing high gas prices are thinking twice about going out for a meal.”
AOB, Raven, JF, and others, I live in Roswell and a FDL meetup would be fun..
RevDeb @ 97
My second job was in a Stouffers restauraunt.
I have never eaten Stouffers’ ‘food’ since (and it’s been 35 years).
JPL @ 113
TRex is in Athens but he’s a night owl.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 73
mmmhmmmm. That kind of editorial would hit some buttons I think. Brilliant.
cinnamonape @ 46
Please read a Supreme Court decision from 1866 about suspension of habeas corpus: Ex parte Milligan
Strange – cannot get onto the Senate home page this a.m. – keep getting “page not found”
raven1 @ 107
Hmmmm… any particular reason, raven1?
Mack @ 114
I’ve been boycotting all popcorn with “butter” flavor since I heard the workers in “butter” plants came down with some deadly lung congestion.
raven1 @ 114
T- is in the area, as well. He worked pretty hard to defeat Tom Price last year.
OT…they trotted out Kit Bond on CNN who had pics of his son in uniform in the desert in Iraq……telling stories how the troops are upset with congress BLAH BLAH BLAH…political ploy …BLAH BLAH BLAH
Webb was right they used even their own kids as photo ops
sandflea @ 118
They left it in the drawer with the Constitution.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
thanks christy! i figured out why i couldn’t find it…. it’s s.amdt.2022. bob geiger has the details (i think you linked to him yesterday).
oops!!
that should read s.amdt.2022 (i think!) [Mod: and so it does.]
Back again. Still trying (imperfectly) to make my case for impeachment now. Every single day we say “not enough time” eats up another day. And I would submit that (as some have mentioned) it’s possible to chase ‘em down after they’re gone, that doesn’t stop them in their tracks now.
Isn’t it the job of the House to determine whether there are impeachable offenses, write articles of impeachment and get those suckers on the table? Is it hopelessly naive to believe that if the case is compelling, there would be some conservatives and middle-of-the-roaders who would vote their conscience? I know, I know . . .
If indeed Gonzales is the first in the barrel, wouldn’t the information gathered and the labor-intensive part of impeaching him form the groundwork (at least some of it) for the Big Kahunas?
I am so disheartened by the ‘not enough time’ argument. I think we have not enough courage and not enough determination.
JF @ 119
Nah, Raven was our great little cocker spaniel but he did love to romp up and down those trails and make sure we were safe!
More death and destruction in Iraq. 33 dead.
And, oh yeah, the article notes that, astonishingly, this latest massacre is gonna hold up meeting the benchmarks.
Astounding.
Franco @ 122
Heard this morning on the Young Turks that the Republican prez candidate who receives the most money from the troops is Ron Paul! This should be news, but of course, it won’t be.
I am not so sure it is just Resident Aliens — Green Card holders — who are trapped here by the present removal of H.C. One of the small number of blog sites I read had a story a year or so ago about a guy who returned from Canada by car and was arrested by whatever the INS is called now under the Patriot Act because he had a warrant out somewhere deep in the South. The senior border guard assured the man that under the Patriot Act they need never process him. Wen the shift changed, mirabile dictu, one of the new guys recognised him and said, “You’re John Doe: we were the same Intake at Parris Island: I’m Bill Smith!” ‘John’ got out and it transpired the warrant was old and had never been taked off “the system”.
The implications scared “John”.
sandflea @ 129
Antiwar Ron Paul Rakes in Military Donations?
Quarterly Reports Indicate Paul Raised More From Military Than Other Republicans
Lou Costello @ 131
This should be jammed down Lindsay Graham’s windbag pipe.
OT
Have oversight hearings been shut down?
OT ~ I……can’t……stop……laughing……
AP Poll: GOP top pick is ‘none of the above’
anangryoldbroad @ 63
wear it like a badge of honor, like getting on Nixon’s “enemies list” ….
Called Cardin and Mikulski’s offices. Mikulski supports habeas restoration in theory but is “considering” how to vote for it today. Cardin’s office doesn’t have a statement, so they just asked me for my opinion.
There’s something wrong here.
RevDeb @ 16
Rev Deb, I know we’ve never met but I wanted to say how sad I am that we are losing you from the Boston area.
Morning everyone.
Jumping right to the end here, then back to see comments after calling yet again.
Just wanted to point out a small spelling errah above:
fwiw, Voinovich is spelled with a big fat “O” in the middle, not an “a”. Not a big deal, but might be to him.
As long as he can spell and support return of Habeas Corpus, that’s all I care about at the moment.
Haven’t pestered him yet today so, just in case he’s forgotten yesterday’s screed, here I go.
Back in a bit.
Big THANKS to everyone making all these calls!
Feeling empowered! Yessss!
Let’s please watch the calls for physical threat toward public officials. I don’t want to have to speak with capitol police or the secret service in my copious spare time today, thank you very much.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.
Called Stabenow and Levin (of course, he’s a co-sponsor so I think he’ll vote for it!) and then took a few minutes to call Landrieu and Sununu and Snowe. Now it’s back to work.
Lou Costello @ 134
oh.my.goodness
think there’s a message there? *g*
Support for the Rule of Law is Our Common Ground, regardless of political stripe!
Restoring Habeas is something we can ALL support!
Let’s push this vote across the goal line today!
sandflea @ 132
Just a figger o’ speech!
Lou @ 134 -
the highlight of that poll for me is “1,004 adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats”
I’ve never seen that much imbalance in a telephone poll.
I called my Senator, Dick Lugar from Indiana. I told them I was a constituent who was glad to see his reconsideration of the war, and that now it was time to do the important work to back that up. Voting for S.2022 is the a good first step.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Okay, you got me on the coffee and black bean soup! Our favorite restuarant in DC (when we lived there and were policy writers) served a famous black bean soup with amazing bagets, a French beet and spinach salad, fresh crock of herbed butter and fresh strawberry preserves. They would add your choice of a charming round bottle of Orangina or a tall glass of their wonderful homemade sparkling lemonade or limeade. When you thought it could not get better, the soup was topped with a dollop of fresh yogurt, chopped tomatos, parsley and caramelized onions. Dessert started with a pot of dark French roast or a double shot of expresso, plenty of cream and a French confection (my favorite was a citron tart).
Now that we are all hungry… Christy have you had a chance to look at the stats at this site? They are worth taking into account when working the participatory base here at the Lake to bring change.
The power of the people is real and I know you know that. Thanks for all your hard work (and all at FDL) and thanks to the larger blogging community for coming together on these issues to bring change and show democracy is not stagnant. Thought you might want to use the stats for a posting to show just how important it is to be a citizen actor in democracy.
BTW, I am making my calls and faxing many today on habeas.
Black bean soup…
KLynn @ 147
I’m in DC and hungry. Is that restaurant still there? What’s it called?
.maralenenok @ 148
Au Pied Du Couchon was a pub atmosphere. It was on Wisconsin in Georgetown.
They had a fire. Eventually went under new management. Became even more of a bar and I think closed a few years ago.
KLynn @ 149
Aw. That’s sad.
Landrieu’s office hung up on me.
maralenenok @ 150
It was “Au Pied du Cochon”, as in “pig”.
brendan @ 152
Most, most definitely. My typo. Many of us use to ask on the fly, “Meet at Pig’s Foot?”
Nonetheless, my understanding is it is closed.
I just called Joe Liar-man’s office and one of his lackeys told me that Lieberman hasn’t announced his stance on the issue of habeus corpus restoration. When I asked how he could possibly justify NOT restoring the writ of habeus corpus the slimeball told me that I didn’t understand the issues, and that it was part of a larger bill. I replied that I don’t care, the USA holds itself to a high moral standard, and actions such as suspended WoHC and torture are NOT part of the America I once knew. The lackey just grunted, said he’d pass along the comment and hung up.
I just called Senator Craig’s office, as a constituent. The staffer reported that the wording for today’s vote was not final (the Senator was not sure exactly what they were voting on) and avoided stating a position (twice). He offered to write down my position and pass it along. So I politely asked that the Senator unconditionally support habeas and our Constitution. The staffer seemed to like that.
Just called Senator Lugar’s office. Individual indicated they were receiving numerous calls in favor of the bill. I asked if Senator Lugar had reached a decision as to how he would vote. He is still on the fence.
I called Gordy Smith’s office. The jerk has his staff direct calls to a voicemail box. I left the message about habeas corpus along with a comment that Senator Wyden has staff that takes calls in person. I would have said something about dead salmon, but figured that would have been counter-productive.
I called Durbin and Obama, my senators, today voice support for S. 2022. Unlike when I usually call, they didn’t bother taking down my name, etc and writing down my position. Thanks for your call! they said. They seemed rushed for some reason ;-)
I was also up til 3:00a.m. last night writing letters to every single Dem member of the House Judiciary Committee urging them to start talking about impeachment of Cheney. I was impassioned but respectful. Also wrote my rep (Biggert, IL-13, Rep.) thought I’m sure she’s sick of hearing from me.
Christy and black bean soup: you always sound so zen and chipper. I’m in this for the long haul for my 5 year old daughter, but lately I’ve had a hard time not letting my anxiety over the fate of our country interfere with my joy of family life. Been waking up very fearful at night about our country. Need to re-read the Dalai Lama again.
I called Hutchison for the hell of it. Probably won’t do any good, but let’s see (I’m not going to bother with Cornyn).
About the vote count, we got 48 votes for, 51 against for the Specter Amendment to the MCA. The only Dem (including Lieberman at the time) to vote against it was Ben Nelson.
Let’s suppose everyone had the same position as last time except for the folks on the list and that Tim Johnson isn’t coming today. So 48 becomes 44 (Chaffee was a vote for, we lose Lieberman and Landrieu). Now, let’s assume that the freshman are votes for. 44 becomes 50. One short of passage. Before 13 undecideds. Keeping in mind that 4 of those undecideds (Lieberman, Landrieu, Smith, and Sununu) voted for it last time, and one (Snowe) was a no-show.
Not to be complacent, but am I missing something here? This shouldn’t be a razor thin vote.
fahrender @ 34
I reminded Craig about his good friend ashcroft getting hassled in intensive care. And reminded him of his own quote from the Clinton years. “It’s the rule of Law!”
In our state Senator Wyden has signed on, Senator Smith has not. Mr. Smith is leaving Washington soon. He talks a lot, but it is now plain that he is losing to “none of the above” (the democratic candidate) He will protect his future as a lobbyist.
and what about Silvestre Reyes and his refusal to release a report on numerous criminals? This is incurable. What a disgusting concept that he bamboozled his way into getting help from people he lied to.
may we now call him for the type of dog that he is?
KLynn above
The night/early morning that our first child was born, my husband went afterwards to Au Pied Du Cochon [a few blocks away from the hospital] to get something to eat. It was probably 2 or 3 in the morning, but they were open, and when he told folks why he was there, they congratulated him, etc.
The place always had a fond spot in our hearts. But it has gone.