All Nite FDL: Keep it Down In There!By: TRex Tuesday July 17, 2007 11:18 pm |
Somebody needs to tell the Republicans that you have to get your talking points changed once every three months or 3000 miles, whichever comes first.
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uno?
Nice shot, LH. Now go tell the others we’re here.
Dos!
6th?
Yee-haw, the party continues!!!
Did Snowe just say she supports Levin/Reid?
Thanks, TRex. Now we gotta make this thread last until the day crew gets in so comment wisely, folks.
Ok, tres. Whatever.
Not sure how long I’ll be awake with all of you, my eyelids are drooping already.
I told ‘em, TRex.
6th
I hate this Goddam Fucking war. every minute of its seventeen years!
{{{{selise}}}} – thanks
3 months, 3,000 miles and a change of oil?
Still here.
12th?
Suzanne @ 7
I have a Late Late Nite post backstage to deploy if you need it, Suz. It’s in ‘Drafts’ and it’s called, “A Brief Message for Senator Vitter”.
Good night, everyone!
Snowe is a good guy here
Hola
Does Sen. Snowe have cot hair?
Is Suzanne still sitting on the diving board?
Thanks, TRex.
No, she’s not. She’s a republican. No republican is a “good guy.”
Go Snowe!
Tu 17 Jul 2007
23.20 PDT Culver City, CA
From the ever-dependable Fourth Estate:
NYTimes.com headline tonight over Carl Hulse’s front-and-center article on the Senate proceedings:
“Senate Democrats Lack Support on Pullout”
Hmmm… some editing going on there: it was just changed to
“Democrats Lack Support to Force Vote on Pullout”
To the editor: “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.”
Ed*ard Teller @ 18
No, but when she puts her head down hiding the neckline of her blouse, it looks like she’s naked except for the necklace and jacket.
Nighty night TRex
yellowdog jim @ 14
You’ll get it sometime Yellow!!!
I feel guilty going to bed 12 12:30 when my senators debate at 2:30.
Is it the twilight zone that our senators have outlasted a good amount of the Late Late night crew here at FDL???
Is there a list anywhere showing in what order folks will be speaking?
cancer_cures @ 26
No, but, Hell is getting precariously close to 32 degrees F!!! ;-)
Ok, that’s the largest cross lapel pin I’ve ever seen.
Suzanne, I am curious. This is the busiest late nite I’ve ever seen, even being here for the liveblog stuff on Scooter, yet the sitemeter seems to indicate that it’s below the average for a day?
bg, i dove (a lovely swan dive since christy was here) in the thread immediately before late nite #1, at the end of that thread – and since congress got off their asses, i did too :)
Still here.
Did anyone else lose the CSPAN broadcast on TV at 10pm PST? My CSPAN2 suddenly began running the old standby: Medical Cannabis Information PSA. I fussed by phone and email, and when I checked the channel at 10:47 it was back on (live with Thune). Sen. Harkin was blacked out in my neighborhood. What was that about?
You might be able to actually crucify someone on that thing.
LawyerSmith @ 30
St. John suit?
I got here late and missed it Suzanne. You are working hard tonight, speaking of getting off your ass.
I hope the nappers are working even half as hard.
Shadowstalker @ 31
been busy for late nite for sure, shadowstalker. now image this non stop during the entire libby trial – and then verdict day – the averages skew because of that. compare it for just this week tho….
thank goodness the mod squad is backing me up tonight – no way could this be done without their help
Wow, are we sure Snowe picked up the right set of talking points? She sounds great!
Don’t worry…I’ll watch to see how they all vote ;)
lolo @ 25
Night, lolo, great to see you!
CTuttle @ 25
45th??
i’m really sick of hearing how everything is the fault of the iraqis.
TRex @ 6
One of the three RePunks who do, according to CSPAN video graphics.
/delurk
Is Snowe stepping up, or am I hallucinating?
Eureka Springs @ 35
It isn’t Eastern Rite, either. She’s Greek Orthodox. Maybe it is from a soldier’s family.
Joementum’s fundraising prowess for Snowe’s opponent has really put the fear in her hasn’t it.
Terrapin @ 43
It must be a dream. A good one.
MARIA CANTWELL, REPRESENT!!!
Washington State – you just got heard by your government, and how!
BLESS Senator Cantwell and her TRUTH TELLING at 2:15 a.m. in the morning, Eastern time, on the floor of the United States Senate.
She called out the hidden OIL PLUNDERING MOTIVES of those trying to keep us in Iraq, and explained why the hydrocarbon bill is bogged down, and why the Iraqis rightly resist its proposed privatizing of their oil wealth, and why that is contributing to the lack of political reconciliation in Iraq.
And she did it quietly, calmly, and devastatingly. Her comments about the oil privatizing deserve to be up on YouTube and highlighted all over the web (they started at about 2:10 a.m. and concluded at about 2:16 a.m.).
I am so grateful to Senator Cantwell for telling the American people the truth, that every other Senator has managed to dodge and ignore thus far. What a profound development.
She’s even offering an amendment with Joe Biden to renounce privatizing of Iraq’s oil and maintenance of permanent U.S. bases (in deference to the wishes of the people of Iraq). And we need to stand with her and cover her back, because Dick Cheney and Exxon-Mobil sure as hell won’t.
TAKE THAT, Oil Crook Ted Stevens of Alaska – you and Dick Cheney have met your match, only it’s not about ANWR this time…
Super, super news.
so now the question is, will Vitter take the lead in the diaper brigade during the filibuster tonight?
and will he thank Harry Reid for letting him wear one in public?
Wow. Never heard John Thune speak before. He’s got that bad combination of sanctimony and ignorance that reminds me of Brian Williams. Where do we get these guys? How do they get elected? How did George McGovern become John Thune? Isn’t this evidence of de-evolution?
Steve Colbert is all over the all-night session in Congress. Very funny stuff.
I hope she is breaking ranks, but I’m pretty sure the conclusion will be, let’s try some more.
Snowe’s feeling the heat of the upcoming election – she knows she is vulnerable being up for re-election iirc.
I think her cross is actually the microphone..
On that note, don’t forget to thank your senators for their time in this overnight measure.
selise @ 41
Denial is truly bipartisan when it comes to this war and its consequences. But I’m getting a glimmer of hope. A glimmer.
Vitter is a victimcrite!!! LOL!!!
Eureka Springs @ 52
It is. There is a pin which is hooked to her jacket, which is perpendicular with the mic.
You know, I’m torn between staying up and watching what I consider to be a semi-historic event….
and watching hour after hour of the most stultifyingly boring TV in the known universe.
Geez, I find myself yeaning for a Brittany Spears update.
IN
selise @ 40
well, I haven’t been listening from about 7:00 to 10:00 PST but I heard most of that couched in terms of benchmarks and reports. Earlier I heard stuff about Iraqi citizens as in concern and let’s let them figure out what they want to do…
but yeah, stop blaming the iraqis for the mess we caused. As Ware says, they have a different agenda than the american one…duh.
Eureka Springs @ 52
I believe you are correct ES- there is a cord coming down from it.
hey TRex: Michele Malkin made Business Week. go get her:) she’s the last profile in that article (#14).
Now on Colbert, the Word is “Whorehouse Veterans for Truth” in honor of Vitter. Pot-Calling-Kettlegate.
selise @ 40
And that everything is better since Saadam Hussein is gone. It just plain isn’t.
pow wow,
I just sent her a thank you email. She did a great job.
http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/
I am not watching it, no C-Span for me. Does anyone notice any kind of strategy on either side in terms of order or anything else?
Suzanne @ 54
Fear is the Repug weapon and it is the only thing they understand. In this case fear of losing an election.
John the Revelator @ 21
i sit corrected.
she’s a medium guy.
she’s a RINO.
and she’s on our side now.
she’s medium well.
(and i agree that her cross is an injury hazard.)
My gosh, you’re right. Did they order that from Motorola in, what, 1966?
pow wow @ 46 – cantwell gets it… i did not know…
the things i learn when the senate pulls an all-nighter.
I would like to see more women in the senate.
I am back, but I have been very busy in the kitchen. I think there is enough here to last us until morning.
Talking about Vitter’s wife’s Lorena Bobbit position — they got their pound of flesh, metaphorically, I think.
If women formed an all woman party – you would.
Liberal Heart @ 24
F.ov C brycj.e yday yrrv
JamShack @ 70
Along with more minorities, more middle class people, more regular Americans.
bg @ 64
Dems: speaking truth
Repukes: fear, terrorists, cut and run, precipitous withdrawal, give war a chance.
Like, almost all of them. Female Congresscritters that is.
BigMitch @ 62
Ouch! The only time I went to a whorehouse, I was in the Army, and drunk. The truth – thank God for penecillin.
I just emailed Olympia some love.
Snowe Steps Up.
Thanks, Tex. I just made a fresh pot of coffee for those in need of a cup.
Wow, she just debunked her own party’s “precipitous withdrawl” talking point.
TexB @ 75
Apparently the majority of the SCOTUS disagrees with you on that one.
Suzanne @ 52
Snowe is not up for re-election in ‘08, she was in ‘06 and won with over 70 percent of the votes. Her counterpart from Maine is up for re-election in 08, Susan Collins and she’s facing a real aggressive opponent in Democratic Congressman Tom Allen.
do-si-do,
“give war a chance.”
That’s a gem! I wanna get that on a bumpersticker
Loo Hoo. @ 61
And that the surge is working, so we need to stay…
And that the surge isn’t working, so we need to stay…
whoa–olympia snowe encurages the senators to actually read the bill. what a concept. it is not a precipitous w/drawal and thus she is for it i guess.
-al q aeda
Ed*ard Teller @ 78
I *knew* I had met you somewhere before.
Heath Hatcher @ 81
As I said, it was from memory (iirc) – she is feeling some heat from somewhere, hopefully her constituents.
Ed*ard Teller @ 78
You were really drunk … that was a convent … *g*
Suzanne @ 85
Got anything to dunk in that? Like maybe the heads of some Republican senators?
yellowdog jim @ 68
I wouldn’t say she’s a full blown RINO,she votes with the party pretty regularily but does have a maverick streak(like what were seeing right now on Iraq). In my opinion the whole true RINO the Senate has seen in a while is Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and we canned his ass in ‘06.
Wordsmith @ 74
Yes, I noticed the same thing. My keyboard must get tired and starts typing gibberish. The ‘c’ key become q….
Liberal Heart @ 87
The SAA/Hall Monitor is shining his flashlight over on you two. Watch it! ;)
Hi all. Reporting in from the second string.
Been napping, but caught Harkin. Excellent content and nice tone.
What in the world can we tell the children re: risks of excessive sun when Thune and Boehner set such bad examples? Is this a *moral issue*? Shouldn’t the media be asking?
I think people have to realize that admitting to the truth of the situation means supporters have to take responsibility for a whole lot of blood on their hands. It’s not easy to do. The same self preservation tactics come into play when prosecutors screw up and get the wrong person. It takes sooooo much to undo the wrong. I hope Snow is on her way to this moment in her life. But, you know what, she isn’t calling for a new cloture vote or to end the filibuster, she is reading the mail and continuing the filibuster.
I get the fruit tarts!!!
Wordsmith @ 92
I thought that was the Thune transcript…
Margot @ 64
Thanks for the link… thank you note sent.
Wordsmith @ 93
LOL … I thought you were partaking of some really good rum.
Heath Hatcher @ 84
There must be some way to convince her to switch parties over the summer. In many ways, she’s more liberal than about 6 Dem Senators. I think being a Dem would ease her next five years in the Senate considerably. I realize a lot of New England Republicans are almost human comared to the Falwell clones which make up most of the party leadership elsewhere, but she’d make a decent Democrat if she worked at it.
Iraq security ought to be “..Supported by the international community” — Snowe makes a suggestion for U.N. mediation
Liberal Heart @ 91
Only TRex gets to eat the republicans. You can have some of the cookies I posted.
Eureka Springs @ 53
Hah. But maybe that explains the display of reasonableness- impromptu holy symbol, somewhere of in the darkness Cheney is recoiling and averting his eyes and hissing, causing republicans to momentarily slip off-message.
Liberal Heart @ 90
Not a good mix – all that hot air coming into contact with hot coffee…
SunnyNobility @ 94
Oh jeez, I was scanning my car radio for cspan and instead a wingnut was shouting about what Al Gore ate at a wedding dinner!!! And vitter complains about not having any privacy!
haircuts
makeup
sweaters
dinner
what next?
She’s filibustering people, if she doesn’t call for a new cloture vote, then she is just reading the mail, phonebook, whatever.
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
Sure it’s not a mike? Fabulous suit. She’s a handsome woman.
cripes, McCain is back.
corpse up
Do what’s right for this country and CALL FOR A DAMN VOTE!
I might have a coupla those cookies you made TexB, mighty good looking.
Been thinking about them since they went up.
TexB,
I’d walk from here to Texas for sushi like that!
Uh oh, loser-boy is up for real. Gotta make another margarita.
Last night I e-wrote to Applebees to complain about their sponsorship of Bill O’reilley. He had called for a boycott of Jet Blue which is sponsoring YKOs. Today I received this in the email inbox:
Thank you for your email voicing your concern about our advertising. We respect your point of view and will take your feedback into consideration. If you have any additional feedback, please contact us either via phone at 888-592-7753 or http://www.applebees.com.
Sincerely,
Derek Schmeichel
Guest Relations Coordinator
Case # 603765
Did they put new batteries in him?
It is a mike and a lousy mike and in the end, what did she say – let’s keep talking. Keep filibustering.
do-si-do @ 96,
Yeah apparently, the wingnuts don’t have much to attack democrats on concerning crimes, moral indiscretions or issues, so they attack..
..you know.. hair..
Is that St. McCain I’m listening to???
McCain isn’t willing to put the future of Iraq under the purview of an international group… suprise suprise.
accckkk mccain
(switching to nice travel show on pbs)
Gag-us-all McCain is up.
Shorter McCain …
if Rove’s math is used to gauge the success of the surge as well as my chances of being Presidentnever mind …Time to go to the bathroom…..
TexB @ 75
i’d like to see ALL women in the senate.
Shorter McCain …
if Rove’s math is used to gauge the success of the surge as well as my chances of being Presidentnever mind …SunnyNobility @ 108Opa !!!
BigMitch @ 115
IHOP bought Applebee’s yesterday. I could care. Both places suck.
Ed*ard Teller @ 100
Terrific idea – am off to email a thank you for her vote and will be sure to share your humdinger of an idea and end with an enthusiatic Seize the moment!
McCain is such an idiot.
Petrocelli @ 123
best line of the evening!
CTuttle @ 122
He was told this is “Dialing for Dollars.”
pow wow @ 47
Hey! That’s one of MY senators! And I only missed her by, what 15 min? Dam dam dam, I want that you-tube.
Guess I gotta email her an attagirl and get after senator Murray.
Oh, I think Cantwell is on the committee that’s having a hearing about the Mariannas Islands Immigration/Human Rights bill on Thursday. So, all y’all who saw her speech and liked it, please shoot her an “attagirl” and ask her to support the bill on the NMI…
Funnydiva
Oh great… he’s getting his opinions from newspapers now?
Loo Hoo. @ 39
I am still here!
Turn off the sound and imagine McCain is singing “I feel pretty” from West Side Story.
BigMitch @ 115
I got the same form letter … we’ll have to wait and see if they stop advertising on Orally’s show …
Hahah, McCain has a great sense of humor.
Notice how he only provides Shiite examples of terror, and doesn’t mention the Sunnis?? Whoops!
Margot @ 63
thanks for the link… i used it too.
Ed*ard Teller @ 101
Yeah she make a decent Dem, I can vouch for that. One Republican Senator that would of made a great Democrat would of been old Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. I really wished Chafee would of taken the Democrats up on there offer to switch parties a couple of years ago, that way it would be more easier to like him since he wouldn’t be a GOPer anymore and he would of had no trouble getting re-elected in Rhode Island in ‘06. I don’t regret voting him out because it wasn’t personal just business. The only was to gain control of the Senate was to take back six seats and Chaffee was valunerable so we took him out.
LawyerSmith @ 117
Nooo. She said she supports the ammendment. Let’s accept that and go get another one.
Speaking of Bosnia, didn’t McCain vote against our entry into Bosnia/Kosovo???
OK, all that Snowe did was continue the filibuster. She did not stop, she did not call for a vote. At the end she argued for more debate, more time. She is not on your side…yet.
InfoNut @ 132
They’ve all been quoting newspapers instead of reports and such. It blows me away. And that’s how the fricking yellow cake thing got spun in our faces…condi quoting the fricking paper.
batteries, schmatteries. McCain is on amphetamines or something similar. Trust me from 13 years in public safety and 45 years of observation.
Ed*ard Teller @ 126
For $1.9 X 10 to the ninth.
The issue is whether or not boycotting sponsors is fair game. I think it is when O’Reilley calls for a boycott of Jet Blue. But it is a dicey issue.
And then there is the truth of the matter. Was I being honest when I said, “I will never eat in Applebees again.” Yes. Had I made that decision based on O’Reilley or after the first time I gave them a try. Well, we didn’t go into that in the email.
yellowdog jim @ 127
First time in my life I’ve agreed with Ted Turner – prohibit men from all offices of power for 100 years !
So IHOP did buy Applebees? I saw something about ‘thinking’ or something along those lines the other day.
Funnydiva2002 @ 132
Yes! Thank you! Cantwell is one of the sponsors of the bill S.1634 introduced by Akaka.
Ed*ard Teller @ 144
I tend to agree.
And by the time she is, too late
Wasn’t Cheney the first one to use the NYTimes to validate his talking point on Iraq – something they had planted with Judy fucking Miller iirc.
rock on firepups. i’m audi.
peace out.
Liberal Heart @ 135
Oh, thanks a lot. I have to go claw my eyes out now.
Temper, temper McLoser.
Ed*ard Teller @ 130
You’ve been knockin’ ‘em out of the park all night !!!
Lindsey Graham was putting Black Beauties on all the pillows tonight so everyone will be up and he can keep the lights on for his nap.
Liberal Heart @ 136
Turn off the sound and imagine him making very graphic Vitter-esque confessions. it’s a little easier to imagine.
Ed*ard Teller @ 143
i was just thinking that same thing. i’m actually worried for his health…
Wordsmith @ 147
My brother-in-law told me the deal is going through.
TexB @ 149
He’s desperate. His mouth was getting so dry, he yielded way early.
McCain talks of ethnic slaughter. At least somebody is bringing up what could possibly happen if we leave..
Well, it’s happening now. It’ll get worse though, and McCain is correct about that..
Is it Stabenow, Now??? I can only listen!!!
CTuttle @ 162
yes
“Laser-focused.” Sorry, Petrocelli, somebody just upped the ante. Has anybody here ever heard Sen. Reid described as “laser-focused”?
CTuttle @ 162
Yes. That’s her.
CTuttle @ 162
Yep!
So how many votes do the D.s have for this ammendment? Might Cheney show up in case there is a tie?
First time in my life I’ve agreed with Ted Turner – prohibit men from all offices of power for 100 years !
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Petrocelli, I’m not so sure that’s a good idea. Imagine a government of Margaret Thatchers!
If anyone is inspired to call a senator about this debate, please look to see if that senator is on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
If so, please demand that they support S.1634 and amend it to protect workers in the Northern Mariana Islands from exploitation and human rights violations: Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI)Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND)Ron Wyden (D-OR)Tim Johnson (D-SD)Mary L. Landrieu (D-LA)Maria Cantwell (D-WA)Ken Salazar (D-CO)Robert Menendez (D-NJ)Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)Bernard Sanders (D-VT)Jon Tester (D-MT)Pete V. Domenici (R-NM)Larry E. Craig (R-ID)Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)Richard Burr (R-NC)Jim DeMint (R-SC)Bob Corker (R-TN)Jeff Sessions (R-AL)Jim Bunning (R-KY)Gordon Smith (R-OR)Mel Martinez (R-FL)John Barrasso (R-WY)
Stabenow is up now.
Great huge sign on an easel next to her.
Red white and blue LET US VOTE!
“56…a clear majority”
ORLY??
InfoNut @ 169
Stabenow? Maybe i should tune in again, she’s my OTHER senator. *yawns*
BigMitch @ 167
I doubt he’ll show up. He’s too busy locking the chains that are holding Meiers in his basement.
Stay on THAT topic, Sen. Stabenow – Webb’s amendment! Bring that more and more into the narrative as this filibuster lengthens.
persiflage @ 169
Or indira Ghandis
Heath Hatcher @ 141
i’d agree with you on that except we have Whitehouse now and he is really a fine leader. He made Sushi out of Sara Taylor and didn’t even break a sweat. it was a work of art.
presidential timber, i’d say……
Notice how all the repubs (Snowe Excluded) sound hyper and shrill compared to the calm, moderated tone of the dems. thune and McCain both sounded angry
Cheney has his own branch of the government. He is not part of the Senate.
Petrocelli @ 148
Sounds like a good start.
BREAKING NEWS:
Cheney has declared himself his own country!
Ok, that’s great, sit down, make the Pubs wear out. The majority party must wear down the minority, not give it bathroom breaks. Geez. Rank amatuers.
Dover Bitch @ 169
DB you’re all over this. This is the list I’ve been waiting for. Make sure to bust it upstairs in the daylight.
Great work!
That sign has been used all night by Dems…
Dover Bitch @ 168
Akaka is one of mine! I’ll send him my thoughts, DB!!!
cancer_cures @ 181
And then he invaded it.
itwasntme @ 183
About time we had a soundbite to use.
BigMitch @ 174
Now there’s a way to give me the willies, Big Mitch. Eeeeeewww.
BigMitch @ 175
This is a nice discussion for another night perhaps … the Maggie Thatchers and Indira Gandhis were schooled by men to behave as men … Elizabeth Edwards had an insightful view on this subject earlier today …
LawyerSmith @ 142
I told you guys. NO republican, rhetoric notwithstanding, is on our side. NOT ONE OF THEM.
ANd I bet they won’t be, right up to Jan. 2009.
Believe it.
cancer_cures @ 161
better to happen really fast than in slow motion like it is now (terrible to have to say, but …..)
And that, I suppose, explains Ms. Bhutto, too?
BigMitch @ 175
You’re obviously bummed out. How about Golda Meir and Anna Lindh?
OK, that’s great Senator Stabenow – the point of making your opponnent filibuster is to wear himout – sit down! Stop giving the Pubs bathroom breaks. And, when you can get women to vote onone ticket, you will see your mostly female Senate. Good luck with that one. While you might not be able to get women to vote for one candidate, you can get white men to not vote for the female or black candidate. That’s why dickhead is in office.
My 184 is awaiting moderation, why? I said Akaka, not Macaca!!! ;-)
newtonusr,
Thanks. Please help me get some attention for this tomorrow. This is one of those issues that the MSM has ignored. Not only are most people unaware of the horrible abuses out there… even fewer even know that the chance to get the Senate to act on this will be here and gone in no time at all.
Dengre said it best:
OT in a way (not that anything is in this racket). I just refreshed some tabs after a hiatus, and look what I found at TPM:
Cunningham Dishes in Jailhouse Chat with Feds
Seems to be all about Wilkes. There are links to a news article, an 11-page FBI interview of the Duke, and a 75-page affidavit.
I should say against the Dems is why dickhead is in office and this time around, why some other dickhead will be in office.
John the Revelator @ 188
well, i don’t think most of the dems are on my side either…. it’s all a matter of degrees. if she votes to start a withdrawal, that will be a good thing.
it’s there ct – was freed.. db had a bunch of links in her post and that is what tripped the filters – thinking it was spam due to the # of links
fahrender @ 176
Dude, I’m still in awe of how Whitehouse got Sara … it was a work of art and her attorney was sweating …
my fav attorney, next to Atticus Finch !
Suzanne @ 199
It was good spam. :)
It also killed my bullet points which is why that list is so ugly.
Cindy Sheehan is on Hardball WoW she is kicking ass!
I’m trying to stay awake for Webb and Whitehouse.
Liberal Heart @ 186
… and gave the $80 Billion no-bid contract to Halliburton, for rebuilding his infrastructure …
sorry, db about it doing that to the bullet points – symbols seems to be filtered out by the WordPress software – not the spam filters.
I don’t know how I feel about Golda Mier. Her country did not escape war on her watch, and some blame her for not being prepared. She was clearly a heroine in the struggle for independence. But she did not bring a softer gentler more feminine touch to international relations.
It is something like an article of faith in some precincts that she must be worshipped like a saint. But I am not there.
Thanks for the e-mail link for Maria Cantwell, Margot. She’s also getting a grateful fax from me, copied to Senator Reid.
Senator Cantwell’s D.C. FAX #: 202-228-0514
Suzanne @ 199
Probably, I was only trying to get a ha-ha in!!!;-)
Suzanne @ 205
No worries. I shoulda known better.
Petrocelli @ 200
He’s the ultimate Senate Sleeper. They never see him coming. Never.
Thank You RI!
CTuttle @ 195
LOL !!!
Heath Hatcher @140
“…..The only was to gain control of the Senate was to take back six seats and Chaffee was valunerable so we took him out.”
And we got Whitehouse! I wish he could serve on the HOUSE judiciary committee though. Not to diminish Sanchez or Conyers, but HJC needs a major injection of smarts and discipline.
no problem, db – how ya doing?
selise @ 198
But the repukes are waay against us. Some dems too, esp Lieberman and Hillary.
Notice Hillary is NOWHERE to be found.
Dover Bitch,
Are you going to be writing about the CNMI labor issues tomorrow? Diane Benson, who is the only candidate who has filed to run against Don Young in 2008 yet, has become pretty knowledgeable about the issues since we researched it for her last year.
lolo @ 201
I caught the end of it earlier. Tweety is such a dweeb, he can’t help but get a last condescending word in with liberal guests. And he can’t stand real people.
Magnifa..Magnot..Mag..blah I am tired and I wanna go to bed!
newtonusr @ 209
Tonight there’s no such thing as a “Senate sleeper.”
Suzanne @ 203
Me too … any idea when they’re gonna be on ?
newtonusr @ 210
BigMitch @ 206
Nobody needs “softer gentler more feminine,” we merely need a whole fucking lot less testosterone in a very dangerous place.
I’m off to bed. I gotta lotta work to do tomorrow. BLEH.
G’night, all.
>>You’re obviously bummed out. How about Golda Meir and Anna Lindh?
I think these Dems talking just because they know the CSPAN cameras are there.
Petrocelli, I have no idea of when who is going to speak.
Eureka Springs @ 216
I was hoping she would ask Tweety what he thought about WarMongers.
newtonusr @ 211
Sara (and her attorney) were so smug … until they realized they’d been trapped … Whitehouse is pure Gold !!!
(waving g’nite to all the pups headed off to bed)
I downloaded and printed out the Senate handbook on filibusters, and will be an expert on it by the A.M.
Good night to all, and to all a good night.
Tillman
Suzanne @ 226
They’re fighting over the
decotifiers, uh, hair dryers. People with less hair get to speak first.John the Revelator @ 222
Night night John, hey any relation to John from Cincinnati?
Ed*ard Teller @ 222
Excellent distinction, EDP !!!
We do not need to choose between a weak, yielding female or a Cowboy.
Wife just came down and asked what I was doing – I said it was an historic moment in my country’s history and I wanted to watch it. She said even if China, (her country) invaded Taiwain she’d be in bed by now – good point. My family cane here in the second wave of immigrants in 1640 and founded over 40 cities and towns along the east coast – so I’ll melt whomever I want into the pot and I need to listen to her and go to bed – night all.
Suzanne @ 228
Ditto!!!
Hey kids! What are you all still doing awake? I told you when I said you could have a sleepover that you couldn’t stay up all nite! Now go to sleep!
What’s that? You’re watching CSPAN-2?
[*crazy kids*]
Hi everybody — what’s going on?
Debbie Stabenow:
“Admin has failed our troups, and sent them over, over again, and yet they showed patriotism and they have done their duty.”
Bring. Us. Home.
She’s on right now, tune into Cspan2. Listen
lolo @ 221
Lolo, how the heck have you been ?
Do you think Sara will show up in front of Waxman after her debacle with the SJC ?
>>You’re obviously bummed out. How about Golda Meir and Anna Lindh?
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I’m not saying every female politician is a proto-Thatcher, just that women as just as capable of being ruthless, self-serving and ideologically-driven as any man.
acckkkk sessions
Suzanne @ 227
Does anyone have a list ?
Petrocelli @ 187
Sounds like a great topic.
Is it Sessions now?
Ok, folks, it’s time for this pup to leave the workplace and go home to bed. Tomorrow is ultrasound day for the ’stalker’s gallbladder. Give ‘em heck whilst I’m gone!
Suzanne @ 239
So it is!!!
TeddySanFran @ 234
hey teddy – glad you are around – trex left me a post to post later if needed – it will be my first (blushing) and i wanna make sure i do it right
EDP?
Hi teddy. I think they saved you a cookie or two.
TeddySanFran @ 236
Hey TSF … Spitball Fight !!!
TeddySanFran @ 235
Morning Teddy!
We’re polishing our Geekdom.
Good luck shaddow.
Shadowstalker @ 243
I hope you have a clean bill of health, nite!!!
shadowstalker, may your pictures be pretty with everything as it should be :)
TeddySanFran @ 235
Jesus is Sessions and the other hardcore GOP members are freaking broken records, all I get from them is Petraeus’ name getting shoved down our throats 50 times an hour and how just 53 days ago even before the surge really began we voted on the supplemental and how politicans sitting in A/C rooms shouldn’t plan a strategy.
Is it just me or am I the only one that is tired of the GOP using fucking Petraeus as a scapegoat? serious I still don’t undestand, whats so fucking great about this guy?
Loo Hoo. @ 242
Didja read Elizabeth’s interview on Salon?
She has oodles of character … what a treat it would be to have her as First Lady !!!
{{{{{{{{{ Elizabeth Edwards }}}}}}}}}
Good night y’all. Time for me to get some sleep. Enjoy the pajama party. Let’s vote!
Ed*ard Teller @ 246
A Thousand Pardons, ET !!!
I was unable to go back and correct my typo !
((((((((SUZANNE/SFTEDDY)))))))))
If anyone missed Hardball, like moi, John Edwards is on deck. MSNBC
ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!
pain free sleep wishes, tex
Night night TB
TexB @ 256
G’nite, Ma’am!!!
persiflage @ 169
Thatcher was a female in name only ……
(Lips like Marilyn Monroe, Eyes like Caligula ….)
Ed*ard Teller @ 214
I’ll be writing about it at my place. No plans to write anywhere else tomorrow. I had a very busy work week last week and kind of dropped the ball after talking to Howie about doing something. I wish things had worked out a little different because it’s going to take a lot more than me linking over to Dengre’s posts if we’re going to get enough people motivated to pressure the Senate to do something.
It’s such a no-brainer, too. What kind of politician could pass up a chance to end forced abortions on American soil???? Somehow, this isn’t selling itself.
I was very frustrated by Arthur Silber’s post last week about Iran. I could relate to his anguish and hate feeling powerless. I thought it was a little unfair for him to blame people who are trying to make a difference, but it was what it was.
On the other hand, Glenn Greenwald has written that we should not expect instant results and shouldn’t give up because this battle is going to be incremental and will take a long time.
I completely agree with Glenn for the most part, but in a situation like this, time is not a luxury. The Senate will look at this issue and move on to other business. If we fail in the next few months, the exploitation will continue for a long, long time.
If we fail at this, it may be enough for me to hang it up for good. If we can’t persuade the Senate to end slavery in 21st Century America — which is within their power — then what’s the point of blogging?
Hey Sessions……what would Jesus do????
I’ll say it again. Reid-Levin was a bad idea compared to using this platform for Webb. Maybe we need to start writing to the Dem leadership, urging them strongly to bring up Webb’s amendment immediately after this filibuster ends. Immediately!
Heath Hatcher @ 254
For one thing, Petraeus wrote the new “book” on counterinsurgency at the War College, but he didn’t write it the way W’s makin him fight it.
Can somebody point out to these bozos that September’s only 45 days away? What magic’s gonna happen in September that isn’t happening now? And Reed-Levin only calls for drawdowns to start in 120 days, so what’s the problem? Oh — a stubborn, petulant, sociopathic Executive is the problem? Well, GOP, that’s your problem. We’ve got the American people on our side.
How did Nancy’s solidarity march go today, did anybody see it? We’ve been out to dinner and a show, just turned on the CSPAN2.
OK, Hang On.
Jeff Sessions. We cannot blame it just on the president. But the truth is, things have not gone as well as we wanted in Iraq.
He’s serious!
Pear
Suzanne @ 259
What Suze said and thanks for the fabulous late nite buffet dear Betsy!
Ed*ard Teller @ 265
I agree ET.
newspaperbrat @ 267
You are more than welcome. I think tonight should be easier. Injection sites feel better and my spine seems like it may be improving. Will let y’all know tomorrow.
Petrocelli @ 257
Yeah, that happens to me too. If I were a GOP Senator, I’d say “WWWHHHAAAaaaaa!”
Not only is Sessions a tool, but he’s obviously too tired to be up there blathering.
ET: I too. The strategic thinking isn’t shining through.
Ed*ard Teller @ 265
I’m with you, that is a much better amendment to humiliate the ‘pugs !
I just mute the rethuglicrooks when they are on and turn up the KPIG, right now blaring Tom Petty’s I Need To Know
Somehow I can picture Jeff Sessions and Lindsey Graham canoodling on a cot in a dark, quiet corner of the cloakroom. They both seem so closeted to me.
Wow… the words “Trust me” just came out of his mouth.
Petrocelli @ 273
TeddySanFran @ 265
Exactly… waiting 120 days actually gives the surge an extension…
Petrocelli @ 274
HEAR! HEAR! DOUBLE DING!
persiflage @ 238
o, much more so, that’s why i prefer them.
men are so namby pamby.
InfoNut @ 276
no forking way arsehole.
Ed*ard Teller @ 265
ET, I disagree, first its Reed-Levin, I think a mandatory draw-down is a better stand than Webb’s need for troops to spend equal time here, stateside as in Iraq!!!
I think the Dems need to keep doing this for every bill from now on – the republicans keep obstructing every forking bill that comes to the Senate with their threats of filibuster.
TeddySanFran @ 276
Which ‘pug isn’t ?
I love getting them on the record, HA he is chugging water now.
Suzanne @ 283
Amen, Sister.
Suddenly the Pubs actually care what the UN thinks?
Suz — I’m headed to dreamland; do you want to pop the newness up now or wait a bit? I’m sure you’ll do fine….
Dover Bitch @ 262
maybe because you are convincing the people who will convince other people who will convince their senators to do the right thing?
i will make some phone calls tomorrow, and try encourage others to do so also.
it’s hardest when there is a deadline to act before things get worse – that’s how i felt before the iraq war started… seems it’s the same for you and CNMI labor rights, arthur silber on preventing an attack on iran….
lolo @ 286
Makes for great Oppo Campaign Ads! Gawd, I’m such a political junkie!!! ;-)
Did Sessions just suggest that since we put our troops in harm’s way, we are requred to keep them there???
I’m not quite sure why they picked Reid-Levin over Webb for this contest. Probably because of “seniority issues” or such stuff. Maybe they’re a bit jealous and afraid of Webb. He used to be a Republican, and he took out a member of the club to gain his seat.
But the reality is – and I’m not the first to bring it up here – that we’d be getting photo and sound bite after photo and sound bite of GOP fools shilling out blather in their attempts to keep our troops having to ruin their futures to protect a group of fools – their party. Instead of giving both sides an out to blame the Iraqis on one point or another, the Dems could be continually asking the GOP “why don’t you support keeping our military forces ready to combat any threat” etc, etc…
I don’t see a whole lot of 2008 campaign material being developed here, but I can guarentee that a debate on the Webb amendment would be a gift that keeps on giving for the next 16 months.
CTuttle @ 291
Me too CT! Love it.
CTuttle @ 283
CT, we’re not debating the merits of the bill, we’re saying which one would make the ‘pugs look worse at Filibustering (is that even a word ?).
Having them stand up and articulate why the Troops don’t deserve more time with their families, etc. would be worse for them, as the public would see them speaking against the troops …
teddy, i’ll wait a bit – still 5 hours to go before day shift gets here. sleep well
I remember reading how many votes the Repubs have blocked since January.
Can’t remember the exact number, but it was huge.
Sessions was talking about “the minority’s procedural rights” or some such, and pulled the “Democrats did it too” card. I went and looked. The 109th congress had 68 cloture votes in two years.
Why does McCain keep popping up?
Oh goodie … McCain again.
(I think it’s Reed-Levin, not Reid-Levin…yes? no?)
Suddenly, Repubs care about the deaths of Iraqi citizens???
McCain is such a baby he had to wait an hour for the floor. What an A55h*le
selise @ 290
Thank you selise. I think it bugs me so much because it’s so hard to believe that it is happening and so easy to fix. If I were president, it would be fixed in the time it takes to get a pen out. And as soon as America learned that I ended a system that forced women into prostitution and then forced them to have abortions… I can’t think of too many people who would accuse me of doing the wrong thing.
Someone please show McCain where the camera is.
Liberal Heart @ 299
It’s Levin-Reed you know Carl Levin of Michigan and Jack Reed of Rhode Island.
Sessions AND now Mccain’s back Again??
Oohhhh! Graphics!
Ed*ard Teller @ 293
Since the Dems got to 56 on Webb’s amendment, maybe they couldn’t be sure they’d get the drama they are on Levin-Reed. Maybe there were enough who might have folded.
I do hope they pull this “stunt” again, and again, and again.
Oh, I forgot to mention, and it might help explain why I feel strongly Webb would have been a better idea than Reed-Levin. Webb would end up passing. This won’t. I hope I’m wrong about the latter assertion.
Also – sorry, Reed-Levin, not Reid-Levin…
Heath Hatcher @ 303
Thanks, that’s what I thought — but in reverse order.
Well, I have to call it a night. Goodnight everybody. G’nite Suzanne!
Dover Bitch @ 301
Dover Bitch for President!!!
Dover Bitch @ 147
I just took my own advice. One “thank you for standing up at the allnighter” and one “please keep supporting S 1634″. Silly me, I used the Democrat’s email form (from the links above about getting 50K emails poured into the Senate). But now I’ve got her contact page bookmarked.
Anyway, I took Dengre’s info about US Citizen children getting deported with their guest worker parents for a talking point. I think I worked the children/families angle twice.
Who was it a few threads back that wrote about feeling empowered by contacting congresscritters? Yeah. What she said.
Funnydiva
up way too late, even on PDT
persiflage @ 298
Besides McCain, does any American think he has any credibility left ?!!
Liberal Heart @ 299
It is! If McCain speaks again, game up, and the Dems can force the vote! Part of the Two-Comment rule in the Senate!!!
Jeff Sessions:
Isn’t his name Jefferson Beaurguard (sp) Sessions the Third?
first time poster, but I just HAD to comment. shorter sen. sessions- won’t somebody PLEASE think of the general?
selise @ 312
Don’t give me any bad ideas!
Funnydiva2002, way to go!
g’nite db
Night DB. You kicked ass today!
Well hell then if they’ve got electricity now in Iraq and everything is all peechykeen let’s bring our boys and girls home NOW! I bet these idiots don’t think anyone is watching them.
:)
yellowdog jim @ 305
What a totally
scriptedimpromptu duet between Sessions and McCain …aurorasprite @ 315
Welcome, aurorasprite.
CTuttle @ 313
Isn’t he already on comment number three?
persiflage @ 298
AA batteries only last a short time….
PerryAnn @ 315
Beauregard ?
How did he survive Grade School ?
Senator Asshat McCain,
Soldiers also pay attention to Republicans suggesting the war will last four to five more years.
Suzanne @ 323
Welcome, great handle!
The brat is surrendering to sleep and thank you one and all for such an extraordinary late nite on da incomparable Lake.
Petrocelli @ 313
Not really, any cred he had was pissed away three years ago when he made up with Bush and the religious right, called for Roe V. Wade to be overturned and support this godly and outrageous war.
And to think I used to admire and respect this guy seven years ago when he ran for prez, man times have sure changed.
Hey, McCain! We’re paying attention!!! Take your blinders off and you’ll see that!!!
i’m out.
sweet dreams, Suzanne
and all the rest of you cowboys and cowgirls.
aurorasprite @ 316
Shorter Sessions: McCain makes me look less crazy !!!
Heading out also, see you all in the a.m.
Heath Hatcher @ 330
If it’s any consolation, he had tons of fans in Canada as well …
aurorasprite @ 316
Welcome auroasprite! Hahahaha
(waving to all the sleepy firepups headed off to bed)
TeddySanFran @ 334
I really want to stay. This is an historical event. I love this country.
Dover Bitch,
Abramoff (and the USAs/Fred Black thing) belatedly highlighted CNMI. Perfect illustration of profit trumping national security (not to mention decency, etc). “Petri dish of capitalism” indeed – cesspool of corruption.
I have nagging questions re: why those interested didn’t cover all for the sake of A’s plans for Sun Cruz expansion to the CNMIs (perfect money laundering op). Surely the $100m shortfall in the loan could have been raised in those circles. Maybe the murder was just one step too far – or maybe McCain threw a spanner into the works with his (less than comprehensive) native american affairs hearings.
CNMI issues could be huge if someone conducted comprehensive hearings. Doubt we’ll ever know the whole story..
Ed*ard Teller @ 323
Obviously they’re inferior batteries; he must have accidentally grabbed some meant for the troops in Iraq.
Liberal Heart @ 324
If that’s true a Dem needs to invoke Rule XIX, and force a vote!!!
newspaperbrat @ 329
I’m so jazzed with all of TexB’s goodies, I might not sleep for a week !!! *g*
McCain can’t keep track of what he’s saying anymore, poor guy is too busy rubbing sleepies from his eyes.
CTuttle @ 340
It’s the third time I’ve seen him. Wish I had Reid’s cell phone number. I’d text him a message. If I knew how to text.
Nighty night pups! I am still staying up anyone else still here?
Ed*ard Teller @ 337
me too. don’t know if i can do it though. mccain is putting me back to sleep.
CTuttle @ 341
I think he yielded and came back … potty break … he was sounding really potty !!! (H/T to my British friends out there)
“Our troops will continue to face grave challenges”
Grave challenges = sudden, gruesome, senseless, death.
Idiot
oy. McCain keeps blathering on and on… I can see the “Saturday TV Funhouse – Fun with Audio” cartoon now…
Easy to see why he’s the first John McCain in generations NOT to attain the rank of Admiral.
Petrocelli @ 346
I would have known that if I didn’t mute the TV when he was on.
aurorasprite @ 343
It must be 4 AM there now! It’s 10 PM HST here!!!
McCain wants to keep kill Iraqis too, not just al Qaida.
jacqrat @ 349
OMG jacqrat that’s funny.
CTuttle @ 341
That wakes me up – hope Jim Webb calls for it first!
Coming up on 1,450 latenite comments…
LINK for CSPAN LIVE in larger REAL PLAYER window
http://play.rbn.com/?url=cspan…..proto=rtsp
(launches the RealPlayer application, and displays the CSPAN live video stream)
Whoops…
McCain IS tired he just said that Iran is embldened by OUR FAILURE IN IRAQ!
I thought it was a repub no-no to admit that we’d failed in Iraq.
I swear, he’s just putting up maps so we’re distracted from his utter nonsense. Ooh, look, another one!
Ed*ard Teller @ 355
My neighbors are having a loud (music/yelling) party right now and I thought, “What are those idiots doing up at this hour?”
Then I remembered that we’re up…
Never mind.
Nice to see a lot of people still up. How ’bout Joe? He say anything stupid yet?
Ed*ard Teller @ 356
plus lurkers!
aurorasprite @ 359
He’s better than Amb**n.
~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~
When St. John McCain tries to ridicule the proposed mission that the Army should only fight Al Qaeda by suggesting that they should ask people planting IEDs if they’re Shi’a or Al Qaeda, is he questioning the President’s word – and Petraeus’ – that the enemy is all Al Qaeda?
Isn’t this heresy?
Ed*ard Teller @ 350
He is so Rovian in his talking points … McCain, how about putting up:-
A) A chart showing your dwindling support and
B) A chart showing your dwindling donations … those charts tell the real tale …
McCain, Sessions, Coleman: al Qaeda, al Qaeda, al Qaeda, al Qaeda, al Qaeda
Just want to put these Republicans on notice. Regular Americans get that you want to continue to create war.
Regular Americans get that you want to conflate Iraq with the Saudis that attacked us in 2001.
More al Qaeda. al Qaeda.
———————
No one will ever forgive these Republicans for not going after al Qaeda in Afghanastan.
No one will ever forgive these Republicans for diverting all of our force to enter into the Republican War delusion called Iraq.
No one will forgive these Republicans for trying to enlarge this war, even now at 4:08 am ET.
Here’s what I’m referring to folks:
The Right to Speak at Length and the Two-Speech Rule
Under Rule XIX, unless any special limits on debate are in effect, Senators who have been recognized may speak for as long as they wish.
They usually cannot be forced to cede the floor, or even interrupted, without their consent. (There are some exceptions: for example, Senators can lose the floor if they violate the Senate’s standards of decorum in debate, or, as discussed later, they may be interrupted for the presentation of a cloture motion.) Rule XIX places no limit on the length of individual speeches or on the number of Senators who may speak on a pending question.
It does, however, tend to limit the possibility of extended debate by its provision that “no Senator shall speak more than twice upon any one question in debate on the same legislative day without leave of the Senate, which shall be determined without debate.” This provision, commonly called the “two-speech rule,” limits each Senator to making two speeches per day, however long each speech may be, on each debatable question that the Senate considers. A Senator who has made two speeches on a single question becomes ineligible to be recognized for another speech on the same question on the same day.
The “day” during which a Senator can make no more than two speeches on the same question is not a calendar day, but a legislative day. A legislative day ends only with an adjournment, so that, whenever the Senate recesses overnight, rather than adjourning, the same legislative day continues into the next calendar day. A legislative day may therefore extend over several calendar days. The leadership may continue to recess the Senate, rather than adjourning, as a means of attempting to overcome a filibuster by compelling filibustering Senators to exhaust their opportunities of gaining recognition.
jacqrat @ 349
LOL !!!
Petrocelli @ 363
I’d rather see him model his gay sweaters.
Is McCain now advocating a War on Syria? Make it stop!
spiderpaws @ 361
… you’re kidding, right …
Liberal Heart @ 359
This place has sizzled all night a few times. This is History, but my favorite late nite fests here were the poetry and snark threads after Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face.
New thread upstairs.
Upstairs everybody, where the servers can breathe.
new thread
McCain’s geography lesson simply proves that the Iraq War has been a complete disaster.
hehe… who would’ve thought McCain would give a speech at 4:00am in the morning, and sounding chipper too despite saying nothing at all. Nice colorful map though. Hillary just on now.. looking and sounding like she’s about to drop.
Oh, Hill. You. Look. Tired.
Suzanne @ 323
Hi, aurorasprite! Hope this is the first post of many.
Funnydiva
This place has sizzled all night a few times. This is History, but my favorite late nite fests here were the poetry and snark threads after Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face.
DON’T Play it Again, Okay, Sam? (Or, The Wingnut Philmoronic) from March 22. Of such counterpoint, Bach would have been proud.
OK, Hill, so . . .
4am my time: (pacific)
Good grief! I’m having a reeeeely hard time dealing with her Dramaamantic Paaauuuses.
And what is with her low tenor speaking voice?
Is she being real? I don’t feel it, because I think she is trying to get my vote, and she is “being” who she has to be to do exacty that.
Nope. I’m a 62 year old woman and I know. This woman is a big N.O.
Hillary at 4:15 am. she looks tired, but presenting very cogent analysis of situation in Iraq. but she and the other Dems have gone along with the president and his minions in the senate for too long and everyday the situation in Iraq just gets worse. Our government is no more effective than the one in Iraq.
Our troops and thousands of Iraq citizens are being slaughtered in the first major resource war of the 21st century. this is going to be a very interesting century.
I missed Olympia Snowe’s time on the floor last night, but from what I can tell here and around the Internet…she was on fire last night! Not surprised. When Olympia Snowe is doing the right thing right, she is eloquent and forceful. It should be noted that she and Collins aren’t the best of friends either, so I’m sure Olympia watched Susan earlier in the evening and laughed her ass off watching Collins show the Iraq Study Group report off like it’s a fine wine or something.
On the other hand, though, Olympia along with Susan has voted in favor of Bush’s policies over the years. Is Snowe feeling a bit guilty? Could be. I hope she is because that would signify to me that she’s not a jackboot licking robot like Susan is.