As best I can tell, there are two realities. We, along with 70 percent of the American people, live in one, the real one; the people who are most often invited to the Sunday talking head shows live in the other. The latter appear to be in an evil parallel universe (with apologies to the long-time commenter EPU) in which up is down, good is evil and everything is going well in Iraq, if we’d just trust the neocons and give our President’s surge a chance to achieve its inevitable success.
In EPU land, one would expect Fred Kagan to tell Fox News how well his surge is working, and expect Lindsey Graham to lecture Jim Webb about how we ought to trust the Commander in Chief and his Generals in Iraq rather than allow Congress to interfere in their war. But in reality land, we know Graham says these things not because he believes them but because he knows the war is a Republican disaster and is desperately laying the foundation for blaming the Democrats for losing Bush/Cheney’s neocon Republican war, so that their party is not sent into oblivion for the next 30 years.
In our real universe, scores of people are still being blown apart or shot every day. And our soldiers, who have to listen to a President and his military spokesmen lie to the American people about who we’re really fighting, or where suicide bombers come from, are struggling to keep our Shia allies from killing our new Sunni allies. From today’s New York Times:
About a month ago, the Iraqi brigade, which is predominantly Shiite, was assigned a new area and instructed to stay away from Nasr Wa Salam, Colonel Pinkerton said. But he said he believed that the Iraqi soldiers remain intent on preventing Sunni Arabs, a majority here, from controlling the area. He cites a pattern of aggression by Iraqi troops toward Abu Azzam’s men and other Sunnis, who he believes are often detained for no reason.
Recently, and without warning, Colonel Pinkerton said, 80 Iraqi soldiers in armored vehicles charged out of their sector toward Nasr Wa Salam but were blocked by an American platoon. The Iraqis refused to say where they were going and threatened to drive right through the American soldiers, whom they greatly outnumbered.
Eventually, with Apache helicopter gunships circling overhead and American gunners aiming their weapons at them, the Iraqi soldiers retreated. “It hasn’t come to firing bullets yet,” Colonel Pinkerton said.
A few weeks ago, he said, a Sunni detainee was beaten to death while in custody of the Muthanna Brigade. And in the past year, he said, Muthanna soldiers detained two of Abu Azzam’s brothers, both of whom said they were abused, and raided Abu Azzam’s house.
Colonel Pinkerton’s experiences here, he said, have inverted the usual American instincts born of years of hard fighting against Sunni insurgents.
“I could stand among 1,800 Sunnis in Abu Ghraib,” he said, “and feel more comfortable than standing in a formation of Iraqi soldiers.”
Back in the EPU of Washington talk shows, Lindsey Graham, who, like Joe Lieberman, gets his information from Fox News and from what Webb calls “dog and pony shows,” assures us we have al Qaeda on the run, while Bill Kristol assures us there is no civil war in Iraq. Apparently, when the Shia Iraqi troops we’ve been arming and training are willing to confront American troops so that they can kill the Sunni militias our guys are trying to work with, and only back off when we call in Apache helicopter gun ships, that doesn’t count as evidence of civil war. Is it any wonder that our soldiers are increasingly coming to the conclusion that it’s time to come home?
Meanwhile, Brit Hume explains that it is not the Iraqi government that is failing but rather the Democratic Congress; no one mentions that in the real world, it is the Bush/Cheney Presidency that is utterly collapsing beneath the weight of it’s own incompetence, duplicity and arrogance, and that the White House’s open defiance of Congress, the will of the American people and the rule of law has created a Constitutional crisis that will decide whether we can keep our republic.
Photo credit: REUTERS/Slahaldeen Rasheed (IRAQ)
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zedless in MN?
2nd in VA?
Doesn’t John McCain prove support for the war is over?
Even the Reps won’t come out to support a guy who is full tilt for the war.
Dems….quit fretting about what Bush is going to say about you.
You are on the right side, so act like it.
Webb’s money quotes from yesterday’s Meet the “Press”:
“we already won the war”
“this is a failed occupation”
Morning pups. It stopped raining up here in Canada, but the low early morning sun and cool makes it feel like early Fall rather than mid summer. Listened to three minutes of NPR this morning. Senate kabuki debate on ending the war. Same old, same old. No wonder the American people are losing faith in the Democrats.
Here’s hoping this week brings them a little spine.
Good morning Scarecrow! Caw caw
i’ll go one further: even if dems were to control both houses of congress and the presidency, the sunday jackals would continue to book repugs and bray right-wing talking points. (think i’m wrong? then why the scarcity of dems/progressives since november?)
it’s what corporate wants.
You see how addicting this is???
Scarecrow, thanks and thanks and thanks. That’s for all the times I forgot to say it.
Lindsey Graham is not only a Stepford Senator, he is rude, rude, rude. And the “moderator” of the conversation was totally out of line in not calling him on his behavior. I know. What do we expect from the liberal MSM?!
Do Congressional reps promise to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA when they’re sworn in? Just asking.
Sunni. Shiite. Whatever.
Time for another airstrike.
barbara -
Lindsey Graham is not only a Stepford Senator, he is rude, rude, rude. And the “moderator” of the conversation was totally out of line in not calling him on his behavior. I know. What do we expect from the liberal MSM?!
That was Russert who allowed that chaos. I honestly can’t sort out what anybody said. Russert can’t seem to moderate a debate; he can only ask his scripted questions.
allan_in_upstate @ 8
I know that’s snark, but the sad thing is, that’s exactly what’s happening, in both Afghanistan and Iraq. If you don’t’ have enough troops on the ground you have to protect your guys with air strikes, and that’s were most of the civilian casualties come from, I suspect.
Hey Lindsey Graham — history will judge us, alright…and not in the way you imagine.
i think there must be at least three realities… ‘cuz i don’t live in the one the dems in congress live in either – the one that has the same foreign policy goals as do bush/cheney but with different tactics and promises of competency.
and i don’t want to live in a reality (like the dem senators from NJ and NY) that thinks it’s a good idea to ” block a diplomatic mission to Libya that would attempt to negotiate the freedom of five nurses and one doctor who have been sentenced to death for treating children who were later found to be infected with HIV. “
Scarecrow..well said.I’m pretty happy this morning seeing more thought in comments on web and C Span talk going on now. John Avarosis (Americablog) caught hell for saying Ron Paul and Mike Gravel are nuts.They each have some new ideas and Gravel has done major good for the country. NY Times journalist on cspan looking very uncomfortable as a Rev. from Iowa says the war on drugs is wasting money. Reminds me of Melissa Ethridge on Live Earth concert..”I’m awake as a bumper sticker will scare them.” Didn’t need to explain who=them.
barbara @ 8
My reaction exactly, particularly re Pumpkinhead. What is this??? Summer Mud Wrestling?
Scarecrow @ 10
Not stepford senator, he’s a self loathing queen. Someone should out him.
Scarecrow @ 10
yes, but graham has learned well the debating training the g.o.p. teaches — talk over your opponent no matter what. you see it everywhere in repub appearances, not only on tv. it is truly the triumph of the whiney brat.
mauimom @ 14
Remember “Moonlighting” with Cybill Shepard and Bruce Willis? David and Maddie, going nose-to-nose and yelling at each other nonstop? Pretty much like that.
Someone posted this last night:
Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls (202-225-0100) voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney. (Say yes or no to the daily poll. It will be forwarded to the Speaker.)
I called last night and got voicemail saying the office was closed and voicemail was full. So I called back this morning, and a real live person answered. I was expecting an automated poll, so I stammered a bit and said I understood they were taking a poll on impeachment of Bush/Cheney and he said that was a rumor, but Speaker Pelosi welcomed comments and he’d be happy to put me thru to the Speaker’s Line, where I could leave a voicemail, and I said absolutely. I left a message, but had I known I was going to, I would have been better prepared.
I got the idea the speaker IS listening, so lets flood her office with calls. I forgot to mention the Moyer’s progrom to the staffer, so I don’t know if she’s seen it. If anyone asks, please post…..hopefully she has by now.
selise @ 13
What else do you expect from the prez who plans to veto child healthcare?
Bush uses our soldiers, our families, our government as his personal playthings…and as weapons for his personal temper tantrums.
““I could stand among 1,800 Sunnis in Abu Ghraib,” he said, “and feel more comfortable than standing in a formation of Iraqi soldiers.””
Remember, this is our fault as Liberals because we criticize the Occupation, and the Iraqi soldiers read FDL and watch Olbermann to learn what’s happening in their country.
It’s true. I heard it on Meet the Russert…over, and over, and over again.
molly @ 14
whatever you think of their other positions – ron paul and mike gravel are anti-imperialist. sadly, alot of people think that’s nuts. but i’m very glad to have someone with that view (in both parties and kucinich qualifies too).
thanks for reminding me to turn on c-span. was glad to hear the caller rip on h. clinton and edwards little tete-a-tete to limit future “debate” to just the “front runners”. the caller rightly ripped them for their anti-democratic position. that was encouraging.
They are still taking calls. I told them the Speaker has been delinquent in not placing this item back on the table…
Emma @ 18
barbara @ 7
Per the Wikipedia:
Apparently the main stream media has forgotten that al-Zarqawi was operating in Kurdistan before the Iraq invasion, in an area where he could have been captured and killed with the assistance of the Pesh Merga, but for some reason his links to al Qaeda and his links to attacks in Jordan were ignored. I recall that he was driven to Iran at the outset of the war, possibly because we were not allowed to bring troops in through Turkey, and was able to regroup and return to Iraq.
At the time, tin foil hat people said he was allowed to remain free because he was the only link to al-Qaeda.
Link to Wikipedia.
Emma @ 19
Thanks for this. I called, too! Go, pups, go!
Emma @ 19
I think this is really important. Make those calls. On Moyers, John Nichols said, Nancy Pelosi is wrong; she’s not following her oath to the Constitution.
Prairie Sunshine @ 20
no! it’s bushco that wants to send the diplomatic mission – and the dem senators who are trying to block it!!!!
WTF?
Congress, I believe, is fearing the embarrassment that is going come from the all atrocities that has been committed in our name in Iraq, and how we are going to be viewed by the rest of the world after we pull out of Iraq. When the average citizens in Iraq begin to tell their story after the war is over, it is going to be painful are we prepared to deal with this? What about the possibilities of increased terrorism in our streets generated from all the anger of the war’s aftermath…we are no doubt in a bad place right now.
selise @ 28
Do they give a reason?
wigwam @ 24
I thought so. Thanks. So, ummm, let’s get the Constitution back on the table, too.
…and then there’s the face of this reality…
wigwam @ 30
from the link:
congressional hearings weekly update:
there are a lot of hearings this week, below are a few examples. for more, including lots of hearings on Iraq in the House Armed Services and House Foreign Relations committees – check here (please note i’m still trying to improve the weekly list, now you can leave comments with corrections and suggestions).
Tuesday, Jul. 17, 2007
7 pm – Senate Committee on Finance
Executive Session to Consider the “Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007″
Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2007
10 am – Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
To hold an oversight hearing to examine the federal response to ensuring the safety of Chinese imports.
2 pm – House Armed Services
The Strategic Forces Subcommittee will meet to receive testimony on U.S. nuclear weapons policy.
2 pm – House Oversight and Government Reform
Hearing on Federal Contracting: Do Poor Performers Keep Winning?
Thursday, Jul. 19, 2007
9:30 am – Senate Foreign Relations
To hold hearings to examine the war in Iraq, focusing on an update from the field. Witness: Ryan C. Crocker, Ambassador to Iraq
9:30 am – Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
To hold hearings to examine the military’s role in disaster response, focusing on progress since Hurricane Katrina.
well, i’ve got to say, that made my day.
just called the pelosi number, also got a polite young man who said there’s no poll but that he’ll pass along preference and comments to the speaker. so i told him that of course i favored impreachment, and that not to pursue it against this administration would effectively invalidate it as a constitutional tool for any future administrations as well.
thanks for posting the number. the smell of exercising your rights in the morning…it smells like…america!
Pelosi has what, another week, to see the light or she’ll be campaigning against Cindy Sheehan in the primary. In theory at least.
barbara @ 32
I sent an email to both Reid and Pelosi last night, telling them to GET A SPINE and to put impeachment (and our constitution) back on the table.
Some people were disturbed by “the lack of civility” on “Press The Meat” yesterday.
I wasn’t.
It’s going to take a lot more of this if we’re not going to continue to live under a Republican dictatorship. Goober Graham has pretty good debating skills. Jim Webb stood his ground and, having reality on his side, was able to put Goober in his place, even though Jim had to take the gloves off to finish him off. I must say, that was refreshing.
I just hope that Webb’s colleagues were watching and picked up a few pointers. Goober’s big disadvantage was that he had to tell lies upon lies to even try to stay even with Webb. That can be wearing on a fellow, unless you’re Dick Cheney who, by the way, our own Spiderpaws says will be dealing with less than favorable star and planet alignment over the next several months.
August is probably going to be a hot month, and not only in Iraq i’m thinkin’. The Village Idiot may be slinking off to Crawford but something tells me (Chertoff gave me the idea) that he will feel the heat even on the ranch. He should probably watch out for disgruntled sagebrush. It’s not nice to ignore Mother Nature…..
Good morning! Caw-CAW
thank you mods for releasing my weekly hearings update @33.
Were winning in Iraq? Wait until September the next few months are Critical. Bush just needs another Friedman unit to turn things around?
I’ve been hearing these lies since the begining of this war. You would think they would get some new material. No wonder Bush’s poll numbers are so low Karl is just recycling his old material.
Sure repeating the message helps people remember it but a poll tested message that worked when Americans still thought we could win ehh? Its not so effective 6 years later, 6 years of being promised Victory in Iraq 6 years of Friedman units that came and went, 6 years of winter with no Christmas!
Selise — thanks for posting the hearing schedule. Wonder what the executive session is about on the Childrens Health program. I’m concerned about that one, and Bush has promised to veto the bill.
fahrender @ 38
Nor was I upset. Does anyone for a minute think that ending the war in Viet Nam happened by following correct debate procedure?
It took passion.
It took disobedience to prescribed “rules” – civil disobedience.
but Some are asking, ‘was Lindsay Graham wearing a diaper during the Webb debate?’
masaccio @ 24
You mean those who were called “tin foil hat people” at the time.
There is no doubt that al-Zarqawi served a purpose by being left in place before the war.
And hundreds of Iraqis and scores of Americans later paid the price.
But at least the Iraqis died with purple stains on their fingers.
things (#41):
you can just say “12 friedmans” it’s more concise and way cooler. adding units is redundant, i think, and so does the coiner of said ….
I personally do not judge Lindsay Graham if he was wearing a diaper (although there is no actual proof of that) however I think it’s best if we know whether (if he was wearing a diaper) he slipped it on during a visit to a prostitute.
Scarecrow @ 10
This course of events was predicted by counter insurgency experts before the war.
Who were of course promptly ignored.
You go to war with the Secretary of Defense that you have, not the one that you wish for.
Scarecrow -
Wrt your last ‘graph, the one thing I know for a truth in this world is that Dems are gonna get 100% of the blame for Iraq. Between the thug party, the talking heads, and the MSM, this war will be the second verse of “Blame it on Clinton”. The aforementioned have had years to perfect the twist and spin technique and the vast majority of the American public have become firmly entrenched in the “It’s someone else’s fault” mode.
I would like *not* to have such a bleak picture of what will be the future so-called history of this war fiasco but no one has ever accused me of not being a realist.
I don’t know how to post quotes from the main article and make them look fancy. That’s the last line of scarecrow’s post. Can we do anything other than what we are doing to influence whether or not we keep the republic or do we sit and take what’s thrown at us?
Called the speaker’s number. Got her secretary who said she’d give the speaker my message. I’m also writing John Kerry in the hope he will call for impeachment from the Senate floor. I’m sure he still has the presidential bug which may be an incentive, but the guy is an enigma. I bet he voted for Lieberman’s resolution. I have other ideas, but it’s off topic so I’ll stop.
Do you ever wonder about what the people in key positions in media are thinking and where they get their information from?
I wonder if they are just ideologues with an agenda and so shade the “news” and their presentation of “reality” or if they are truly uniformed.
I find it hard to believe the latter and it is rather frightening to believe the former.
Are there no wise people at the top of these media enterprizes who is reality based and sees it as their mission to portray reality? Are they just sell outs and serving their class interests?
I for one am extremely thankful that Democratic Party elected officials joined their Republican counterparts in adopting an anti-Iranian resolution.
Because we know these always lead to positive outcomes.
9:30 am – Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
To hold hearings to examine the military’s role in disaster response, focusing on progress since Hurricane Katrina.
That’s Lieberman, right? I feel sure JoeLie will, indeed, be focusing on “progress”, to the exclusion of, well, reality.
Sounds barf-worthy.
Scarecrow @ 42
kinda a wierd time for a hearing… and it wasn’t in the senate list. strange.
krugman had a good column on health care this morning (thank you marion):
Scarecrow @ 42
those children have healthcare, they can just go to the emergency room if they get sick.
Krugman
thanks to Marion in Savannah
Boston 1775 (#43):
Right on, ma’am!
Passion, and believing in what you’re saying! These people need to do their homework, rehearse what they’re going to say, and then shower down on these koolaid-drinking Nazis on the other side of the aisle.
barbara @ 32
Yes, the entire Constitution, including the provisions for impeachment. In taking those provisions off the table, Nancy Pelosi is “failing to uphold her oath of office” (per John Nichols).
I caught a few minutes of Robert “the traitor” Novak on Timmeh yesterday and it took some serious patience not to throw something at the TV. That evil sumbitch never met a fact he couldn’t twist. He’s arrogant about the Plame leak, clinging to the Armitage alibi. What bulls*it. They’re all on the same team. Armitage signed the PNAC letter to Clinton calling for Saddam’s ouster back before Bush. It was a textbook conspiracy, just as this administration is.
if those uninsured kids dont like it here in america they can always move to iraq.
no wait that’s a glowing free-market democracy.
they can always move to iran.
jayt @ 54
Notice how that hearing is on events since Katrina? Why doesn’t JL want any visibilty on the events surrounding Katrina?
Has anybody heard anything about the Tillman situation (other than trailers for Keith)? I’ve had half an ear tuned to scarhead most of the morning and thus far nothing. :-(
jayt @ 53
I fear they will be building the case for destroying whatever is left of Posse Comitatus and arguing for a greatly expanded Northern Command, which is the use of federal troops within the U.S.
iran has no universal medical coverage for uninsured american children.
notice that asymmetrical warfare anyone?
Ed Kunin @ 51
If you haven’t done so already, watch the Moyer’s video with Fein and Nichols. And encourage others to do so. I’d include a reference to that in calls to our congresscritters.
Selise – thanks for the update. We need to watch for a hearing/meeting of the HJC on Friday. Thursday is when Harriet’s 5 days run out. They need to stay on top of this.
Jay says
July 16th, 2007 at 6:10 am
I caught a few minutes of Robert “the traitor” Novak on Timmeh yesterday and it took some serious patience not to throw something at the TV.
If ya want, I could give you the instructions for building a fine chicken-wire enclosure for saving teevee sets. Stops shoes, bottles, etc. Unfortunately, I haven’t found a way to avoid vegetable-splatter.
Nice handle, btw.
With respect to redeploying troops: Does anybody here get the feeling that Bush may begin to withdraw the troops next year, saying Congress forced his hand, and then completely screwing it up? Then the D’s would blamed for the ensunig catastrophe right before the election. I don’t know if he can be trusted to pull the troops out, but he’s proven that he can’t be trusted with them in Iraq.
SanderO @ 51
YES.
YES and YES.
BETTER TO ACCEPT REALITY AND DEAL WITH IT.
NONE.
Got any difficult questions? Sorry, but sometimes reality demands cynicism.
G’ Morning, lovely Scarecrow!
You know what struck me about your post and the violence between Sunni and Shia? You could replace those with neocons and xianists and RNC and Dems. The common thread is that there is deep and abiding distrust and hatred. So it boils down to power, control and ownership – of oil, land and infrastructure.
The sole difference is that at least on the face of it, Dems are trying to return to the precepts of the Constitution. But so far, it’s only been talk, and no real action with consequences.
The neocon agenda actively and deliberately created the conditions for hate, divisiveness and distrust. Now the challenge is moving to restore any or parts of those in light of the neocons continuing to sow those poisonous seeds and to plow the fields with tainted fertilizer.
Helen @ 65
thanks for the heads up. nothing on the HJC’s shedule for friday yet.
if you see anything during the week, please leave me a comment and i’ll update the list.
Waccamaw @ 61
The MSM, Olberman excepted, will ignore this as if it had never happened.
jayt@66,
I suppose I should just write off tuning in to those Sunday morning jokefests, they seem to be getting worse. The fact that Novak even gets to sit at the table is damning enough evidence that the criminals are in charge.
Have been using “Jay” for at least six years, had I known that so many millions would eventually turn to the web and blogs in place of newspaper and TV…I would have been more creative :)
I agree completely with the post. Unfortunately the Dems can now be painted as co-owners of this disaster because they backed down on the supplemental war appropriattion during the spring.
John Edwards was right. The Dems should have watched Bush veto the supplemental, then sent it right back. They should also start using stronger language when debating people like Lindsey Graham for his failure to support Webb’s amendment. Maybe use terms like unpatriotic and troop hater.
jayt @ 66
Try Saran Wrap …..
fahrender @ 74
maybe that’s how Christo got started.
Elliott @ 55
And then they can be dumped on the street in front of the homeless shelters.
OT – just noticed that there are almost no blue “f” thingies this morning.
have we been blue-screened?
I see I’ve screwed up format in nearly every comment I’ve made this day. Multi-tasking. My bad. Sorry.
barbara @ 79
At leest you can spel.
Assuming that people in the media “rise up” through the ranks they all presumable start as “cub reporter” or the equivalent.
I know of some in the media who started at WBAI a left radio station in NYC who then went on to network positions. Whatever their politics at the outset, they sure seem to move right as they rise and their career progresses.
I suspect selling out comes with making more cash and wanting to “win” in this culture (more toys at the end of the game wins).
The right narritive basically sees success as self justifying and those who are not getting ahead deserve their lot. Winning is everything and staying on top is what it’s about. you never look back only ahead and up.
We really are a society of self absorbed greedy people… or at least the ones who are calling the shots for everyone else.
you know what scarecrow?
the president just doesn’t care, doesn’t get it, doesn’t want to get it
he’s been informed he will be considered a great president but only after he’s gone and he’s resolute to use that as his personal excuse to do whatever the puppet master tells him to do
we are informed by raw story that Cheney is winning the case with bush to attack Iran
that’s right, head on over there and read that, it’s frightening.
the president has also been informed the supreme court will come down in his side of any challenge and he has become brazen.
if everyone remembers, I predicted just such a scenario, where the president just does it and challenges congress to take it to the supreme court, where he will etch in stone his unitary philosophy for generations…until the supreme court changes ideology, which will be long after we are gone
there is only ONE thing the congress and senate can do
THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THE SENATE AND CONGRESS CAN DO
they MUST deal with the republicans, there are a few that will be HAPPY to deal, there is TONS of “patriotic” rhetoric and “fascist” rhetoric that they can use as an EASY excuse to come down against the president
we will promise them uncontested elections and pork
congress and the senate MUST make it CLEAR
they will subpoena the president, THEY DON’T CARE IF HE INVOKES EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE
they must NOT challenge, the must state simply;
COMPLY OR YOU ARE ALREADY IMPEACHED
they must get enough senators on board, as soon as there are enough ALL will follow but for a few fascists who will hold firm
NO SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT
just go straight to the challenge, tell hem he WILL comply or be removed from office
IT IS TIME FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO DEAL WITH THE REPUBLICANS
time is short, our republic can not withstand a supreme court precedent, we MUST deal
Impeach. Convict. Incarcerate.
Ed Kunin @ 50
According to the Wikipedia:
Emphasis added.
Several states have started this process, but I don’t know if any have completed it. IMHO, Pelosi would be in serious trouble if she did not follow through on such charges from a state per Jefferson’s Maunal.
Scarecrow @ 10
Lindsay Graham said, “Petraeus…politicians telling generals….Petraeus…politicians (scowl)…Petraeus….Petraeus…Petraeus.”
Called Pelosi’s office, very polite young man. Said to him not her right to take Imp. off the table as it is the right of all of us to have the Imp. on the table.
Did not ask how many calls he had rec’d so if anyone else is calling…..
A question. Can the HJC turn over stuff to the SJC if they need? In that the SJC seems to be a mite more efficient?
I suspect the key Democratic party players while going through the charade of ‘hearings’ have already gotten on board re:incinerating Iran.
call me an optimist.
The neos on the Sunday shows, Kristol being easily the worst, seem not content to whistle past the graveyard, but insist on yodeling.
Nequals1 @ 69
But first
We must
IMPEACH. NOW. it’s the right thing to do.
there is no. way. we can trust the Republicans to do anything but dominate and humiliate anyone and everyone who gets in their way.
is this not what they have done for the past fifteen years (a “conservative” estimate)?
the only way the Democrats, or anybody else can deal with Republicans is to trample them and not even break a sweat. they are shameless and completely untrustworthy. they are relentless, greedy and arrogant: Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Libby, Wolfowitz, Scalia, Delay, Specter, Gonzales, ROVE, and on and on …….
Hi firepups! A short one from your Italian lurker.. I have been following the evolution of the war in Iraq and with each passing day my dread is growing: the carnage and the bloodshed become everyday more appalling and scaring and no end seems to be in sight. I watch and fear what will come next: the fixation of the neocons on the attach on Iran is unabated and none seems to be willing to stand up and do something about it. This really leaves me dumbstruck: how can it be in a great country like yours there is no public movement to oppose this next folly that seems to be coming down the line as inevitable. I can understand that the control of the right-wingers and of the government on the news is strict (and I assure you that things are not much better here in Italy with the Berlusconi owned press) but still there must be reports of the carnage, of the hundreds of civilians dying each week in Iraq, of your own soldiers dying on the streets… and if this information is out there how can an average citizen just shrug their shoulder and move on to the next American Idol episode?
Don’t get me wrong : I am not claiming any moral superiority of my country or of Europe on this matter: it took time here as anywhere else to see through the fog of lies and deceit and even today the most callous and cynic of our politicians drag out the “greater good” excuse to defend our early involvement in the Iraq debacle. Some of the worse political parties in Europe (like “Front National” in France or “Lega Nord” in Italy) are still today pushing their loathsome retoric, full of racism and despise for the “brown people” and they are trying to dismiss this horror as a “necessary evil”. But the general understanding of the public is clear and the horror for the situation is strong and undeniable. I know how the understanding and the feeling of this tragedy is strong here among the fire pups (as shown from the great post yesterday by Siun) still I find myself wondering how can this indignation not be spreading like a fire through your society, regardless of the political inclination of each person.
That’s probably the most difficult thing to swallow for me and for the people of my generation here in Europe: our culture growing up was so connected with the USA and their positive role mode (perceived or real… but this a different story) that the lack of a visible outcry like the one that filled the street of the USA cities during the Vietnam war is really unsettling. It feels like a betrail of a friend or of person you thoght you did know very well: it’s a scar that will be present in more than a generation and that will mark the relationship between the two side of Atlantic for decades. Again let me be clear: this is not because of any moral of ethical superiority of Europe, on the contrary this is because the expectation of a intrinsically “good” USA (again real or fictional that it was) behaving completely out of its perceived role.
I can see this dichotomy tearing at the image of your country around the world: I cannot really discuss calmly what’s going on in Iraq with my father or my mother. They are the generation that come out of WW2 and that has probably the greatest moral debt with the USA for stepping in and taking Europe out of the mess it has dug itself into: for them to relate to what USA has done is very difficult and they recoil from that and from any rational discussion on the matter. It with people like them (it pains me to no end to say so) that are willing to believe any absurd story about the inherent goodness of any action of the western society against the “scary” Muslim: for the other people the folly of the current head-on collision course between our world and the Islamic world is clear and the dislike towards the driving force of this fight, the USA, can only become greater and greater.
Ok my “short” rant is over , take care and have a splendid day
P.s. How do I add my blu facebook linky-thing to nick name ?
msmolly @ 37
Sigh! Democratic leadership, a new species of invertebrates.
fahrender @ 88
I agree. But how do “we the people” actually move the House to do so? That’s where I see the problem – the failure of the elected to actually do the people’s will.
nomolos @ 86
The process of impeachment occurs entirely in the House; if an officer is impeached by the House, the matter moves to the Senate or a trial. I don’t think there is any requirement that an impeachment inquiry must be heard exclusively by the HJC. The House could decide otherwise.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 75
or Nam Jun Paik …….
The last two weeks I’ve been reading and lurking the Lake – and coming away depressed at the stranglehold Bush has on the Congress and the Constitution. The House Judiciary can’t enforce its subpoenas because the courts will probably rule against them or because of seeming lack of evenhandedness- Do they rule contempt on Sara what’s her name and not on Miers, or on Monica and not the other two? Do they not rule contempt on AGAG – is it past the time for that? Do they initiate impeachment without the sure votes for it and risk having Bush/Cheney cleared and the damage to our Constitution set in law? Which door do they open – the lady or the tiger?
Congress’ low approval rating is surely seated in the lack of action with teeth, but prudent persons contemplate all the potential disasters of action. As I see it, the Dems made only on major mistake: that of not standing firm on the first war spending bill that was vetoed. If we can’t get anything passed, surely we have the power to withhold legislation to be considered. What happens when it is time to pass the Defense spending bill? Is that a second chance to exert congressional power?
Also I see that some Democratic Senators are getting flack over preventing a rescue mission to Libya that supposedly Bush wants to send. Where did Dems get the power to prevent this if Bush can do anything he wants to do? I will confess I don’t know anything about this issue, but something seems awry.
At the very least, we should demand from all our Democratic candidates for President that, if elected, they would, as a first action, repeal and restore our lost freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. This might produce some discussion and/or position taking by the Repugs, which would be revealing.
My prescription for Congress is to issue contempt citations on clear cut cases, continue to subpoena (might try all the top guys who have left the Bush administration rather that those still on staff), continue to investigate; withhold defense spending until a timetable for withdrawal is law (they can just wait awhile on their money); and impeach only if there is an unambiguous charge that the general publich can embrace. In effect, tie them up in the courts if we can. This and only this might prevent that attack on Iran that Cheney is pushing for.
old gold @ 87
lol!
although maybe William the Bloody has actually jumped the shark
kimba1970: All I can say is here in the small town where I live, it’s all about saving the unborn babies and keeping in power the party that they see will overturn Roe v. Wade. The rest they just see as collateral damage in the process of their mission.
or Nam Jun Paik …….
fahrender-
dont know much about that artist.
just googled. will check out. thx.
masaccio @ 25
His links to al Qaeda were NOT ignored. Zarqawi was used by W et al as evidence that Saddam was in cahoots with AQ.
Let’s face it, the president and congress is hesitant to end this war because they don’t want to have to deal with the accounting process that the American people are going to demand when the more in depth and horror stories start coming out of Iraq when the war ends.
Nequals1 @ 91
keep raising HELL. send emails and call them. better yet, go to their offices.
when the unborn can hear the peaceful drone of a burning cross in a field all will be well.
Protests in the street are not even given proper coverage by the media here. People are despondant when they see hundreds of thousands of motivated citisens report as a few tens of thousands in a tiny snippet at the end of the paper or newscast.
We are like lobsters having been tossed in cold water and brought to a boil. We are being killed and we don’t even know it… at least most of the people here. Plus we as a people are completely ill informed about what is going on in our country and in the world.
We are too interested in sports, pop music, ipods, cell phones and other distractions. We are lulled into self absorption. Most people only care about themselves and their immediate family. Many are too tired trying to survive to know what is happening outside their narrow survival existence. Many are afraid to speak out for the consequences they fear.
We’re screwed.
PMA @ 84
Petraeus said all he needed to say when he wrote the Army’s manual on counterinsurgency. We need three-to-five times our current force to accomplish what we’re trying to do in Iraq. Back in January, he gave the surge a one-in-four chance of succeeding, and it’s clear to anyone paying attention that it isn’t. The Bushies are holding out hope against hope, and their foolishness is daily costing lives and dollars.
eCAHNomics @ 98
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 97
he was really cool. died last year i believe. one of the first artists using television as a subject/focus. also the first Korean artist that i knew about. an artist with a sense of humor as well as being serious.
kimba1970 @ 89
Speaking from a German perspetive I can only agree 100% with Kimba. I know my friends that you agree as well, but how do you persuade the rest of America to follow. It’s no good waiting until the next election to do something. Unless you have paper ballots and independant election monitors at all your polling stations how can you know the election is “free and fair”.
The first step must be to pass a bill for publicly funding elections and take the money factor out. This would give 3rd party candidates a better chance over the no-difference Rep. and Dem.
Please do something before it’s too late for us all.
nice piece, as always by krugman. thanks for posting the link, barbara.
btw, if any of you haven’t seen sicko yet, make the time. it is brilliant filmmaking, and really educational about how our system got to where it is, and how other systems operate. all by itself it may move the issue forward.
Resource being distributed to members of Congress, available in general from Purple Heart:
Veterans and Families’ Guide to Recovering from PTSD, 4th edition, by Stephanie Latie Lanham. amazon link, 3rd edition
Think we’re gonna need a few more editions before we’re finished.
kimba1970 : Welcome to the Lake. hope you like it here.
My Italian friend, kimba1970 says at 89:
That’s probably the most difficult thing to swallow for me and for the people of my generation here in Europe: our culture growing up was so connected with the USA and their positive role mode (perceived or real… but this a different story) that the lack of a visible outcry like the one that filled the street of the USA cities during the Vietnam war is really unsettling. It feels like a betrail of a friend or of person you thoght you did know very well: it’s a scar that will be present in more than a generation and that will mark the relationship between the two side of Atlantic for decades. Again let me be clear: this is not because of any moral of ethical superiority of Europe, on the contrary this is because the expectation of a intrinsically “good” USA (again real or fictional that it was) behaving completely out of its perceived role.
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As tall orders go, this is especially tall: We can’t let the world down.
People actually believe in the spirit that is in us. That is the most important reason I post here.
kimba1970 @ 89 – thank you for sharing an italian perspective.
stange to say… i have almost the same response to the usa as you have described. and it’s my county… i feel a deep alienation to what we have become.
ok, this is why we have to begin impeachment proceedings NOW;L
CHENY winning the argument to attack Iran
and if he attacks Iran before he leaves office I GUARANTEE he will invoke martial law, we WILL have a police state
we MUST impeach before the sabers are finnished rattling and are taken from their sheaf
Christy has a new thread ready: Make them filibuster!
jayt @ 77
You have to login each day. Actually, each time you quit out of your browser or re-start your machine.
Jeebus. Huckleberry is telling fairy tales compared to what’s written about Iraq. I really doubt the sanity of Republikans/plus HoJoe. Good on Webb.
Good on Scarecrow. Sounds like the Iraqi soldiers are bent on genocide. That is really, very scary.
Good Morning Scarecrow.
Thankyou for another good post. That’s exactly how it feels these days – parallel universe that’s a true nightmare.
OT, with apologies if already mentioned upthread…
Habeas Corpus vote expected as early as Tues. this week. Call your Senators if they’re wrong-headed or afflicted by a chronic wobble, *sigh* like our Voinovich.
S’cuse, I’m off to give another well-aimed shove to the lil’ fella…
And I thot, once our kids were grown, I was done babysitting… Do these guys check their ethics and sense of decency at the door when they gain office, or were they always that way?
Happily, Sen. Sherrod Brown is a co-sponsor, and has been since the amendment was 1st offered. ;->
Marilyn In Texas Welcome. Please don’t let us depress you. Let that feeling of depression become anger, which, they say is what depression really is. Anger is energy. use it to become motivated to action. every one of us has to act for change, to change our country’s direction, to move it back to the humanitarian ideals we are supposed to stand for instead of this shameful descending spiral into fascism and violence as a foreign policy…
egregious @ 108
egregious, there may come a time when we will have to organize adequate mental health care for those with the thousand mile stare.
Boston1775 @ 118
Now’s good.
Morning, gang. I’ve got a fresh post, up and running for everyone…
Boston1775 @ 110
I wonder how much the media actually covers protests here or overseas.
fahrender @ 109
Thanks, I come by as often as I can, time differences permitting, and I post whenever I feel I have something worth saying: it pain me that it must be about this horrible situation.
mui @ 121
I mean compared with what the coverage was during the Vietnam era.
And I also want to say that I appreciate being able to read and stay informed by our excellent writers – I’m just so proud of them and tell everyone I talk with about this blog. And I love reading all your comments, too. I feel I know each one of you by now by your words and caring for one another and even the little snits you get into once and awhile. It’s great to know that that there are so many souls who think the way I do (for the most part). Be good to yourselves!!!
So to activate the facebook link I need to first log into the facebook site ?
Did it work ?
Scarecrow @ 10
Proof once again – “D” Students run the world!
Good morning, Scarecrow et al. The subject is miserable but you are a ray of light.
QuakerGirl @ 126
That’s because Russert is Darth Cheney’s tool.
mui 123
The are no news whatsoever about protest in the USA here in Italy: be aware that our press is nearly as bad as the one in the USA. Over half of it is owned by the head of the right wing party: guess how “fair and balanced” it can be !
fahrender @ 105
okay! thanks. will definitely research.
btw I found some interesting joseph beuys YouTube videos the other day.
are you familiar with his work?
kimba1970 @ 128
That is a problem. Because plenty of events of have been organized. I can kind of guess that it adds to the perception that we are all one with ChimpCo. There haven’t been any national guards firing on students (thank god & goddess) as during Vietnam. I assume the coverage of the civil rights era was partly because journalists saw the real violence and danger to the protesters and often experienced that violence on their own persons. Its definitely a different dynamic. Now everyone gets put on a “list” or so it is feared–among other things.
Elliott @ 95
Without a doubt
Kristol has jumped the shark.
Wigwam @ 83
What a cool idea! Each of us should try to persuade our state legislatures to send impeachment resolutions to Washington.
I’m starting on my state today.
kimba1970 @ 125
Hope you see this:
First you register here at FDL. At the bottom of the right hand column (across from Comment #10 on this thread) click the “site Admin” link. If on the main page, click “Register”.
You will be sent an e-mail with a password. Use that password to Login to FDL.
You will reach the FDL Profile page. In the “Facebook” box on the FDL profile page, you will need to paste on your info from your Facebook Profile URL. Make sure you actually get your profile (long number at the end of the URL) rather than “profile layout” (speaking from experience here).
Save your FDL profile. At this point, your next comment should have the facebook icon next to your name.
You will have to login after each time you re-start your machine or have had to quit out of your browser completely and come back in.
You’re moving onto a ship of both shadows and substance abuse, of right-wing ideas. You’ve just crossed over…into The Twilight Zone:
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..766040.ece
- Tom
dakine01
Let’s see if it works…
Yes! Thanks a lot!
dakine01 @ 133
Funny…I haven’t had to log in again. When I look, I’m always logged in. I use two different machines (home and work), but same browser. I may have stored my password, but it should still ask for my login ID and it doesn’t. Maybe there’s a cookie…
I totally agree with poster 16. Take off the gloves with Gomer Graham.
perris @ #98 is trying to clear up the al Qaeda/Zarqawi/Iraq NON-connection.
It is crucial that everyone understand that lying us into war is the most devasting and, necessarily the most impeachable offense that Bushco has perpetrated.
The biggest lie is the one about al Qaeda and Iraq cooperating on 9-11.
ejd
e. julius drivingstorm @ 138
OOPS!
Sorry, that’s perris @ 104.
ejd
The brutal reality is that most of the 70% of Americans who are mostly concerned about the American soldiers life they could care less about how many Iraqi people have been killed as a direct result of the Bush administrations efforts to create an enviroment for a internal genocide to take place.
This is the brutal and ugly truth!
I am completely convinced that this is what the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots wanted. Clear out, intimidate, injure the Iraqi people so that we can eventually take control of who controls the oil out flow.
Regime change starts at home.