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I have had it. Giving the Republicans in Congress a pass to do as they please, obstruct whatever legislation they like and pay no penalty for doing so has to stop.
Harry Reid must do his job and make the Senate GOP physically stand up and filibuster. Or we might as well declare Congress to be a lovely afternoon tea party and be done with it.
Civility doesn't mean that you roll over and ask for a belly scratch from your opponents -- it means that everyone plays by the rules on all sides. We had 56 votes for the Webb bill -- but could not get it through because a super-majority was required of 60 votes for cloture. This has happened time and time again. The GOP continually obstructs? Then they ought to pay a hefty public price. Harry Reid needs to lead on this -- or get the hell out of the way.
Call Sen. Harry Reid today and tell him to do his job and make them stand and filibuster. He can be reached at 202-224-3542 in DC and 702-388-5020 in Nevada.
Sen. Kent Conrad made it crystal clear why this is important on The Young Turks this past week (Chris Bowers has the YouTube of the interview here):
...With that said, with that said, I think that we could do a better job making our points, and one part of that is to let the American people see just how obstructionist this Republican minority is being. The leader has had to file cloture now over 40 times already this year. And cloture, as you know, is a special procedure to stop debate, to stop filibusters, in order to reach conclusion on legislation. I had a Republican colleague tell me it is the Republican strategy to try to prevent any accomplishment of the Democratic Congress. That is set in their caucus openly and directly that they don’t intend to allow Democrats to have any legislative successes, and they intend to do it by repeated filibuster. (emphasis mine)
Good to know, isn't it? The Republicans warp the rules, they need to pay a price. That price, at minimum, must be a real, stand up filibuster. They want to obstruct (PDF), they do it the hard way. Chris Bowers has this exactly right:
No more simply allowing Republicans to defeat Democratic legislation just by holding a cloture vote. It is time to actually make Republicans carry out the filibusters they threaten when they vote "no" on cloture. If they want to use the threat of unlimited debate on issues like raising the minimum wage and providing mandatory time at home between deployments to Iraq for American troops, let's actually make them engage in unlimited, or at least nearly unlimited, debate on those subjects and see what the American people think.
There are two ways to deal with bad faith actors; to dealing with people who understand only force. One is to decide you’re willing to let them have what they want because you won’t pay the cost of opposing them. If they say “I’m going to hit you if you don’t give me your wallet” you can say “ok”. The second is to escalate. In the words of the Untouchables - if they bring a knife, you bring a gun; if they put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. When people understand only force, you must respond with maximum force. Anything else is taken as weakness and they will walk all over you.
Amen. Tell Harry Reid to do his job -- make them stand and filibuster. If they are going to obstruct every bill in the Senate, to require that the will of the majority be overtaken by that of a virulent, obstructive minority viewpoint, then they ought to pay a hefty penalty for those actions. The Senate Republicans should be forced to stand up, in the full public view, and ply their smarmy trade for all the world to see.
The photo above is Matt Stoller's message to Harry Reid. If you'd like to send your own, "Do your job, make them stand and filibuster." message, please send me your photo -- I'd love to have it. (Send pictures to ReddHedd AT Firedoglake DOT com.) Or if you do a short YouTube video of your message, send me a link and I'll pass it along to Crooks and Liars. It's time we stood up to the bullies in the GOP and let them know that the American public expects better. And that we expect the leadership of the Democratic party to do the same.
Call Harry Reid today and tell him to do his job -- if the Republicans want to do nothing but obstruct the Senate, then they ought to stand and filibuster the hard way. Their free ride is over.
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We should stop calling them the Senate and call them something like the Peoples’ Chamber of Ineffectiveness.
yup, great post christy, MAKE THEM FILLIBUSTER
and PUHLEEZE put impeachment back on the table
ok, this is why we have to begin impeachment proceedings NOW;L
CHENEY winning the argument to attack Iran
and if he attacks Iran before he leaves office I GUARANTEE he will invoke martial law, we WILL have a police state
the ONLY purpose of an Iran attack “before” the president leaves office is to hope it keeps him in office
there is no other reason, the next president will immediately end any aggression they take…the next president will HAVE TO get us out of Iraq and HAVE TO get us out of any engagement in Iran
they want to start a war that they will use to impose martiall law
an alarm is raised firedogs, our republic will not hold out much longer, we must impeach
Good morning, and right on CHS!
If they want to make asses of themselves, let us only provide the spotlight.
Maybe this should be our new activism approach. Photos of us with our messages. Mine might be “Invoke Inherent Contempt”. Bush is inherently contemptuous of Congress and the American people.
We could send photos via email, but even more effective perhaps would be if we printed them, and mailed them. Perhaps putting a face with a message would have some stronger effect? We must do something.
puppethead @ 1
better, call them “the president’s lap dogs”…hit them where it hurts
This actually is a strategy you would think the dems would understand — they got nailed for being obstructionist repeatedly during the previous six years.
CALL THEIR BLUFF.
MAKE THEM FILIBUSTER.
BE SURE AMERICANS KNOW WHERE THE REPUBLICANS STAND.
Christy !!!!!
Filibuster, then
IMPEACH. it’s the right thing to do.
Iran back on the radar screen:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0716.html
And the LIEberman resolution gives W carte blanche.
Now here’s the on-topic Q. Would going for impeachment increase, decrease, or not influence the probability of attacking Iran?
When I call Reid, I intend to also bring up that he should leave someone behind to bring the Senate into session every day during August.
Real filibusters - and no recess appointments!
I’ve said it before many times but will say it again: Mr Reid needs to keep the Senate in session for the entire summer (if our troops are working, the Congress needs to be working). One Senate agenda item: Iraq. If the Toothless Miss wants to filibuster, he needs to put on his Depends and stand up and talk his head off. Make the Rs stay on record as hating the troops and keep voting against them many times a day every day of the week. No more “We support the troops as long as it doesn’t conflict with the WH” bull sh*t.
And one additional request. Would looseheadprop or someone give us another e-lesson? I’d like to know more about ways the House can bypass the courts and DOJ to compel testimony from Miers, Rove et al. I thought the Impeachment Inquiry would do that? What about John Dean’s suggestion of Inherent Contempt? Thanks!
great idea christy! will call right now… with one addition - make them filibuster through the whole month of august.
then no one can complain that normal business isn’t getting done.
keep ‘em all in DC in august.
eCAHNomics @ 8
the senate can go straight to vote, the impeachment process would have to be swift and absolute
“summary judgement”
as I recall in the constitutional papers and talks a president can be suspended impending impeachment
whether or not that would hold up, this time the senate would make the president challenge, suspend him until the court rules otherwise
if pelosi is reluctant because that would make her president she can resign the post and allow the constitution to name the next in line
this has got to begin
I agree, no recess while the troops are dying in Iraq. The Iraqi Parliament, and Congress.
And for chrissake, how many of us get a damn month’s vacation? Or family health coverage for $35.00 for life? I am furious. This is obscene.
While you are on the phone with Reid’s office, ask him why is isn’t co-sponsoring the Habeas amendment, too. (S. 185 and S. 2022.)
dmg @ 6
Exactly. It is not only cynical obstructionism, it is also complete hypocrisy from the Republicans. They were just threatening the ‘nuclear option’ when they were in the majority a couple years ago.
Just called Pelosi’s office. They said they’re being swamped with calls for impeachment. Good. Keep it going. Call her at 202-225-4965.
Have you all emailed the link to Bill Moyers to the House? They need to be bombarded. I have, and to FAIR’s list of MSM television contacts. How can they watch that and then look at themselves in the mirror?
keep ‘em all in DC in august.
No recess! I can live with them voting themselves a pay raise, because I want qualified people and less temptation to whore out to special interests.
But to get a raise, and immediately take a vacation - well, now that’s a pretty good gig if you can get it.
Reid, Pelosi - there are things going on in this country, right now, that are more important than going on an August vacation/fundraising trip.
I just called the Senator’s office and got right through. Imagine an American soldier dying, facing his end,and the courage he or she exhibits in those last moments, giving their life for their country. At the very least our Senators can stand up.
They are going to have to decide what is more important, the people they work for or their political careers.
Good Morning Christy.
EPU’d downstairs, but more appropriate here anyway:
Habeas Corpus vote expected as early as Tues. this week. Call your Senators if they’re wrong-headed or afflicted with a chronic wobble, *sigh* like our Voinovich.
I suppose I’d better go off soon to give another well-aimed shove to the lil’ fella…
And I thot, once our kids were grown, I was done babysitting… Do these guys check their ethics and sense of decency at the door when they gain office, or were they always that way?
Hey, all you BlueAmerica candidate scouts, the wobbly Sen. V. is up for renewal in ‘08. Fresh material would be most welcome. All of OH would be grateful. *sigh*
addendum: oops! Thanks Christy. Didn’t know the esteemed Sen. Reid was missing-in-action on Habeas. Will save an extra shove for him while I’m in the chamber’s toobz.
Adie at 22 — Hope to have more on habeas coming up in a bit. Am waiting for a couple of calls back before I finish the post…
Agree with the sentiments here.
If the Reps want to be a bunch of anti-Jimmy Stewarts, then let them generate multi-week headlines about their filibustering efforts–and then explain why they shut down Bush’s government on Bush’s orders.
Roopez123 @ 17
Thank you for the reminder. Just called and was told they were being swamped with impeachment requests. I asked if Madam had watched the Bill Moyers Journal Friday, the aide said she was not sure, but that many people were asking that question and requesting Pelosi to do so.
I tell you the Bush version of MONOPOLY, is revolting.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Terrific! Thanks. You don’t miss a beat.
ACLU website probably would be a good place for people to go also, to get fuel & fodder. They were sending out notices this a.m. on the subject. ;->
Love it, love it love it.
I’ve been off-line a couple of days..
Did anyone ever find out why the Dems voted for the “LIE”berman amendment to include Iran in Cheney’s un-holy war ??
Great post Redd, I am getting as frustrated with the Dem’s spinlessness as I am the Rethugs total evil..
Is it time for another “Tea Party” ??
eCAHNomics @ 8
My thinking is this: Bush/Cheney and everyone else know that the Iraqi war situation will change in Jan.’09 if Dems win (let’s presume this). We’ll be re-deploying or withdrawing, in some fashion. The ONLY reason I can see for all of the stalling/running out the clock with regard to the Congress on the Iraq issue is to justify the upcoming attack on Iran — ie, Iran=Iraq aggression against our troops(also, strategic troop position in Iraq is important). To me, *this* is the reason Congress must move quickly on impeachment, staying in session in Aug. It is to gum up the works for Bush/Cheney being able to wage war on Iran. I have a great sense of urgency about this, and actually fear that even impeachment won’t stop them.
IMPEACHMENT? Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
What would LBJ do?
Did you see Cheney snoozing (NY Times Saturday
Pic, I think page A-5). Too much medication?
Novak strikes again…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07.....f=magazine
I’ve never called anyone beyond my own representatives, which until Webb, was useless. But I called Reid today, left a voice message, and I talked with a staffer. He just took comments–which I freely gave–but said nothing.
I suggest we also call Senator Durbin, the assistant majority leader. His number is (202) 224-2152.
Lou Costello @ 31
You are right, of course, but what we send to them we should also to Pelosi.
I do get the feeling that Reid is just going through the motions though to what end I am not sure. He also seems to be more aligned with the goopers than the Dems a lot of the time, anti choice being the most egregious. In addition he is surely the most colourless individual in the Senate.
Apparently, like Pelosi, he is just marking time until the next election and is loathe to create any waves that could be sourced to “progressives”. My wife calls him the bland panderer
just called reid’s office… and am now going to call my own senators. figure it can’t hurt to let them know what i’m thinking…
“I have had it. Giving the Republicans in Congress a pass to do as they please, obstruct whatever legislation they like and pay no penalty for doing so has to stop.”
“Civility doesn’t mean that you roll over and ask for a belly scratch from your opponents — it means that everyone plays by the rules on all sides.”
Not bad. Not bad at all. ;0)
Do you realize what you’re saying? Filibustering is not fun, it’s tiring. It’s hard on the knees (especially for the weak-kneed). And it blows to hell any hope for 5:00 o’clock cocktails.
I don’t think you really understand what you’re asking for from these people. I don’t think you’ve ever seen an apple cart wobbled or tipped. It’s not pretty.
eCAHNomics @ 8
I want all senators and representatives to acknowledge that Holy Joe is completely out of his mind and should be forced to resign.
This is the best news I’ve heard all week!
Gunga Djinn @ 39
you sure? purty savvy pack a hounds here-bouts ;->
mui @ 41
Wow you do feel strongly about this, quoting twice is one kinda strong statement
Harry is an impotent tool now. If you recall, each time he has stiffened up, the shooter comes and smacks him down. The intelligence committee appears to be so wrapped up in the crimes that they can’t investigate any of their members.
we are getting what from the existing congress? what have they done? they backed down when they had a bill pass to end the war. Doesn’t that pretty much tell you everything you need to know?
we have been sold out. money is the most important thing to a politician, and when they have it, they no longer care about anything else. I hate saying this, but look at the otherwise rationally appearing congress people that get down on their knees to service israel on a regular basis? our foreign policy is incredible, get that oil, screw anything else
we could have replaced the oil if we started in earnest 30 years ago, but that didn’t happen either.
optimism without action, war without sacrifice. There is no reason to get excited, the thief he kindly spoke. There are many here among us that feel life is but a joke. ah, but in the distance……
talk is cheap, and words fail. perhaps the blogs are doing the wrong thing? maybe they allow people to blow off steam that might be better directed to action? We know that our government has all our names now, and they are blackmailing anyone they have dirt on.
hasn’t it become obvious that this form of government is a failure?
Here’s the short form for everyone’s easy reference:
202-225-4965 = Pelosi’s office
202-224-3542 = Reid in D.C.
702-388-5020 = Reid in Nevada
Link to Moyers on impeachment
Also hard copy link to Moyers piece for cutting/pasting: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071407B.shtml
We are past the point of “pretty” !
nomolos @ 43
I thought I fixed it in edit. His influence on the Iran “thing” is pernicious.
Sometimes I think we were ‘had’ last November. And this feeling makes me restless.
Make ‘em filibuster, no August recess!
Republicans = Corruption R Us.
Morning Mika saying all the Bush Admin has to do is get thru this weekend and they’re home free until Sept. Maliki is already pushing December for sitting down for serious talks.
You don’t call a baseball game over when the score is 0-0. Here’s a sports metaphor the Bushies can understand: We the People demand extra innings.
Democrats, it’s time to play ball. Hard ball.
barbara @ 45
And here is FAIR’s media contact list: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
Made my calls. Thanks for coordinating!
Onward to impeachment.
no vote no recess
the troops get extended tours, so should the Senate.
make the goopers filibuster for real.
show the world that the roadblock republicans stand between us and getting out or stand between the troops and the troop-friendly plan of the Webb amendment.
I’m pretty hopeless about Dems in Congress. They betray us every step of the way…saying the right words but never taking effective action. I write to my Senators and my Reps but all of them say, with a straight face, that impeachment is ‘not in the best interests of the country.’ They refuse to do their jobs, having sold out completely to corporate interests.
Adie @ 22
isn’t Paul Hackett from Ohio? hint, hint.
peterboy @ 52
Brilliant! George Lakoff would love this frame!
I’ve been pissed for so long, I’m glad to see Christy so fired up. Reed is not doing his job, we’ve seen to many examples of what happens when Dems lay down, Clinton, Gore, Kerry for example. Some more politicians may have to risk having their reputations destroyed like Clinton, Gore, Kerry but there can not be any more rolling over, speak out.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
I don’t think we were had. I think this is a process. I didn’t think that all would be rosy after the elections. We knew conservative element (the ones who didn’t back Lamont) in the Dem party were always going to be a problem, plus their influence on other party members, plus the raging case of club fed that many get.
I have been a straight shooting Dem for almost 40 years. It’s not me who has changed. But my party has. And not for the better. Time was I was considered a mainstream Democrat. But today the Democratic Party thinks I am a radical. And my views haven’t changed politically over the last four decades. Hmmm. How do I account for that?
mui @ 41
i’m with you… but we’ve got just the opposite - every dem representative (except kucinich) voted for h.con.r.21 and every dem senator voted for s.a.2073.
i’m thinking the “out of their mind” is not limited to lieberman (although he is one of the worst examples of it).
Amen.
I thought the reason we put up with Reid’s lack of charisma and “elected” Reid Leader was because he was a master at the rules of the Senate. So far he keeps calling votes that are less than optimal, and then allowing obstuction by all types of procedures.
I think Harry Reid is a wimp. He got taken time and time again by this Lieberman, and actually allowed that ridiculous “sense of the Senate” Iran vote to occur - giving Bushco cover for more black ops.
Sometimes I feel like a man without a party.
Anyone seen John Murtha lately?
selise @ 58
Ooh Selise, thank you for that. I was just about to look up that bill and speak my mind out if you know what I mean. First stop: Rosa Delaura. Second stop: Chris Dodd. I’m still really p’oed. *Achem* I mean resolution.
incontext @ 53
Lets see, betrayed by bushco, betrayed by scotus and betrayed by congress. Makes a person feel, well, betrayed
Urban Pirate @ 59
if reid is a wimp, then so is pelosi. she brought h.con.r.21 to the house floor for a vote (and voted for it).
nomolos @ 63
Trifecta! Checks and balances, you see.
barbara @ 55
thanks, barbara.
ok. just spent several minutes with the person in senator kerry’s office explaining that you don’t need 60 votes to make the republicans filibuster.
arghhhh!!!
Raw Story developing headline: Justice Dep’t accused of hypocrisy over ‘privilege:’ Soon…
The Iraqi Parliament is going on vacation during the month of August because Baghdad is too hot.
If Harry and Nancy are too obtuse to see the political advantages this presents them by keeping Congress in session during August, they need to be replaced. Political opportunity like this only presents itself on the banks of the Potomac once a generation or so.
Harry and Nancy: CARPE DIEM!
Certain powers come with having the majority in the House and the Senate.
Among them are the power to impeach and the power to force a filibuster.
If the Democratic leadership fails to properly utilize their inherent powers when appropriate, it constitutes a dereliction of their Constitutional duty.
I just found this excellent article that details the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. They are using the exact same M.O. for Iran. Duh. Anyway, it lays out specific groups and how they worked the media and the people. I don’t know how it could be helpful in heading off the upcoming Iran war, but there may be something there, there. Also, I watched the movie Lords of War last night. It is all about arms dealing. There is a shot in it of a boat belonging to one of the dealers, and the name of the boat is “Kristol”. D’ya think they were trying to tell us something??? Could that be why Bill Kristol is so gung-ho for war all the time? Just a thought.
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2002Q4/war.html
peterboy @ 51
brilliant!
How would I characterize my party? As the largest collection of impotency I’ve seen in my life.
I’d still like to hear one Democrat in DC call George Bush a liar. Just that way. ‘A liar’. If you don’t have the votes to carry the day, then you take it directly to the people. In terms (liar, etc.) they can relate too. In this the Democrats have failed miserably. I’m sick to death of the roll-over, Demos.
*xyz @ 70
And then what? Not snarking. Want to know.
Brief ThinkProgress post: Bush may make Petraeus his ‘fall guy.’
old gold @ 69
exactly, right old gold.
The Iraqi Parliment goes home, but we stay. Troops get extended tours, the Congress should, too.
Time to push impeachment. This is what the Founders would do.
No King.
No King George.
Pardons for your own staff’s wrongdoing should be answered with impeachment–James Madison
I have to say again: this filibuster stuff is bullshit. We’re arguing about how to gain political advantage for enablers of war against Iran. During the August recess, the bombs will fall. When the little darlings come back to D.C., it’ll be :”support the troops” all over again as the world plunges into hell.
Sometimes the blogosphere is so useless. I really wish we weren’t so “smart.”
Apologize for being OT, but:
A little love for Russ. Like us, he tried to end the madness. And for his efforts, like us, he was shunned and disrespected by his own party.
barbara @ 74
In the short term, letters, emails, phone calls, banners and take to the streets. In the long term work like hell on the next elections
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 74
What happened to the “war czar?”
sandflea @ 76
not this week. not after his vote for the lieberman iran amendment.
Damn, a second quake off coast in Japan 6.7. 2nd in 5 hours. Watch out ring of fire. Usually there is an opposite quake on the other side of the ring of fire, i.e., West coast of USA, so I’m told.
Indeed, NO recess!
Make ‘em filibuster!
And make sure that you hold important Committee hearings when these jerks are on the Floor boring others to tears! Make several of the hearings DIRECTLY relate to the HARM that occurs when troops are held in combat situations for long periods of time. Get a lot of physicians and mental health specialists there, and those former Surgeon Generals!
That will take ‘em out of their game.
And maybe cut the air-con in the main chamber and have Seagrams offer mint juleps outside on the steps.
Bet these Southern Neo-Cons like Huckleberry Lindsey couldn’t resist!
You can call and you can fax Reid’s office: 202-224-7327. Faxes must be picked up and handled, ensuring that somebody must read it and put it somewhere.
In the case of the Webb amendment I wrote my pitiful Senator LIEberman and simply asked him why he hates the troops so much, in voting against giving them respite between tours of duty. These obstructionists and apolgists for the worst administration in history should always be called out and made to explain their insidious votes.
Isn’t “propaganda” illegal during a time of war??
OT - link to weekly congressional hearings update for firepups.
can’t get through to Reid’s office - “all phones are busy”
heh-heh.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 74
But of course. You don’t expect the Decider to change his stripes and actually take responsibilty for his own failure, do you?
barbara @ 73
There is no penalty for Congress failing to uphold their duties under the Constitution other than the penalty that we the public impose through our collective efforts, through our activism, and through our vote.
That is why it is so critical that we all act right now to force the Congress to use all of the powers of their office to (i) defend the Constitution against an out of control executive branch and (ii) force the passage of popular legislation past an obstructionist Republican minority.
Open impeachment inquiries of Bush and Cheney, and force the Republicans to filibuster. That is the message that we need to send to Congress.
This is a good time to remind folks that you get one nickname on this blog — changing nicknames midstream in comments is a good way to get yourself banned. Consider this a friendly warning.
Oklahoma @ 72
Agreed. Maybe we should send bottles of vi*gra??
selise @ 79
Well, I’ve never been able to have it all. I learned that about 4 years ago (last primary) and I’ve been taking my wormwood from the Dems ever since.
Not that I wasn’t upset about that vote because I was quite pissed.
If we don’t want Holy Joes, Harry Reids and other noxious or worthless plants growing in the Senate, we’ve got to change the soil in which they grow. Otherwise, if we manage to rip them out, others like them will just grow to take their places. What’s needed is not incremental change (i.e., replacing one useless person with another) but revolution. The alternative to revolution is having the exact same sort of conversations here on FDL day after day, year after year, until we all wake up some day and marvel at how the empire has collapsed.
There is anger in the country. My party should build on it.
Is there a way we can force a military draft as part of any AUMF toward Iran ?? How many votes will
THAT get in congress ??
It occurred to me today when a CNN reporter ask a few young adults what question they would ask on the upcoming YouTube debate. They wanted to ask HOW Universal Healthcare and Alternate energy research would be funded..
ARE THEY FUC&!^G KIDDING ME !!
These kids must have been rethug clones..
Where is their concern about the $12 Billion a MONTH this evil regime is spending in Iraq and Afganistan ? About Genocide in Africa ? About LOSING our government to a right-wing neo-fascist regime ??
We need to get them involved.. WE as young adults stopped the Vietnam war with our protests and civil-disobedience because we had a STAKE in the outcome.
Just like these lame congress critters they can sit back and pontificate about stopping terrorism etc.etc.. But just like the Chickenhawks (led by Shooter) they don’t have to actually pick up a rifle and kill other human beings foe someone else’s corporate profits..
This regime is evil on so many levels and the kids today are NOT burning down buildings.. etc..etc..
Is not having a SOUL hereditary ?
Is there a cure ??
sandflea @ 88
agreed. but there’s a line and this vote was over it (just as the MCA was for brown). feingold knows better… or ought to… maybe it’s up to us to give him the message.
selise @ 81
That vote was 97-0 for some bloody reason, is there not one decent human being in the whole bloody lot?
OT. N Korea is getting rid of it’s nuke plant after diplomatic efforts seems like a good process in the works there. One wonders why bushco would not want to employ the same process with other countries.
Think oil has anything to do with it?
I must be in hot water for being michael chertoff’s gut for one day.
That fella in Mme. Speakers office was really nice, but busy. Come on firedogs, swamp em.
Oh yeah, thanks Christy for lighting the fire.
Re: Iran-Iraq:
Interesting bit from Salon today:
Christy Hardin Smith @ 88
Well, I may have screwed up then because I thought it was one name per computer. Until last Friday, I’d never posted from work — posted from home computer only. When I made that first post from work, though, I chose a name different than the one I have at home.
Thanks for writing this, Christy.