(Jane is going to be on Peter Laufer’s show on KPFA discussing Andrew Keen and his “cult of the amateur” argument at 10am PT/1pm ET. You can listen live here.)
A few things that are worth your time today.
– This Bill Moyers special on impeachment and the factual basis therefor — a great discussion about the ins and outs of the political and legal considerations with Moyers, Bruce Fein and John Nichols. The entire discussion is available for streaming here.
– C&L links up the latest John Dean discussion on the WH attempt to expand the unilateral executive power structure. Makes for a very interesting read in the context of the above Moyers show, let me tell you.
– Bob Geiger has put together the list of Democratic Senators who have — and have not — signed on to sponsor the habeas restoration amendment. This is going up for a vote next week. We’ll be doing a push on this starting tomorrow, so please take a peek at the list and see where your Senators are (or are not) and get ready to rev up your phones tomorrow morning.
– Digby has lost the thread. Or so she says — after reading her piece of dissection, I’m thinking she has a much better handle on things than a whole helluva lot of people who hit the talking heads circuit on a regular basis.
– Oh, that Henry Waxman is writing letters to Fred Fielding again. This time he got Tom Davis to sign on…
– Wes Clark on the bubble wall around George Bush. And all by its lonesome, this delusional trip down Wishful Thinking Rose-Colored Glasses Lane proves Clark’s point. Who needs facts when you can just make crap up on the backs of other people’s children? (Do read this link, but be forewarned that it will break your heart.)
…For some, the Army’s efforts have come too late. Penny Preszler, 46, a furniture refurbisher in Phoenix, said she had stopped wearing red on Fridays as she had done for the past year to honor the war effort. “It was when my son started saying he wished he could be injured so he could come home,” Ms. Preszler said.
“There was no pride left in his voice, just this robotic sense of despair,” she said, describing a telephone conversation with her son, Skyler, 24, an infantryman on his second tour of duty in Iraq. “Mom, we killed women on the street today. We killed kids on bikes. We had no choice,” she recounted his saying.
The same week, she said, her son told her he thought he had seen the worst when he had to pick up the body parts of his dead buddy, but then he saw an Iraqi boy picking up what was left of his dead father.
(H/T to Scarecrow for the link.) Of all of the failures for which George Bush has to answer, this is the worst of them. And it is being done in all of our names. While we’re visiting failures of leadership, perhaps the deluded Mr. Kristol and his neoconman pals would like to explain why all the public rhetoric is directed at the Syrians and the Iranians, but the bulk of the outside attacks in Iraq appear to be coming from our very dear friends, the Saudis? Hmmmm?
– It is no wonder Sen. Jim Webb kicked some serious Sen. Hayseed ass today. Crooks and Liars has the video.
– Jamison Foser on the media echo machine’s fixation on the obscure, irrelevent and gossipy. (via Atrios)
– Why I blog, reason # 127 (via Political Wire).
What’s catching your eye in the news and on the blogs today?
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Fitz !
and a Good Morning to all
The National Review, the conservatives’ official game day program for the war in Iraq, has finally jumped the shark. Like a long-running sitcom with declining ratings, aging stars and bereft of new ideas, the magazine has been reduced to bizarre stunts in a desperate plea for attention. This week, that desperation took the form of Michael Ledeen slandering the families of American troops going off to war in Iraq. And that was just for openers.
For the details, see:
“The National Review Jumps the Shark.”
Howdy Muzzy — good to see you. :)
Is it scary listening to radio hosts talking quite positively about the lake, simultaneously, on two different audio streams? Not at all. In three years – well, we have no idea…
Marcy in the right ear, Jane in the left!
Two musts:
The Nation’s article on what war has made U.S. soldiers into:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070730/hedges
and how bleeding heart liberals’, and neocons’, actions in Bosnia contributed to Islamic fanaticism:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/20…..an-oneill/
Geiger’s list of co-sponsors is to S.185, which has exactly the same text as S.Amdt.2022, but not exactly the same list of co-sponsors. See list of S.Amdt.2022 cosponsors and compare it with the list of S.185 co-sponsors.
I used to think Lindsay Graham was simply a mendacious piece of crap. But lately I’ve begun to think that Huckleberry is really a total idiot, as dumb as a bag of rocks. He really seems to believe the nonsense he says about Iraq. How did he ever become a JAG officer? Just because he has a big mouth?
Barbara Starr sez Pentagon is planning for post-surge strategy. LOL. As though there were any strategy ever in the Pentagon.
Jane clear and on target. Go Jane!
Thanks for all of those great links CHS!
Senator Webb ripped on Liebermann today for pushing for a pre-emptive strike on Iran and also pushing for confrontaion with Syria and Pakistan.
Senator Hagel is the only other Senator to call Liebermann out on his yellow bellied warmongers.
I would say to avoid at all costs the WaPo0 Opinion and Outlookpages today, just based on the titles and writers involved (Billy Kristol et al). also the NYTimes magazine has an interview with the Novakula that lets him line up all his talking points without much challenge.
:D how do you get the little FB icons in your nick?
Ed*ard Teller @ 3
Thought I just made it into heaven!
Yes people searching for facts and justice are the real patriots.
puppethead @ 6
And even the intelligent sound like that when they defend the indefensible.
know the FDLers are busy and do so much and I thank them. Although sure would like to see Flynt Leverett come on to address the situation in Iran. Flynt was in the first Bush administration and quit just before the invasion of Iraq (he disagreed with their strategies). He is an ex CIA analyst and expert on the middle east.
Flynt Leverett would be a great guest here at FDL and the topic of Iran is critical. Since Liebermann and the other war hawk zealots are going to continue to push hard for a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..new_americ
Senator Webb would also be a great guest, to discuss his latest legislation that was not passed in regard to American soldiers having one year on and one year off.
As well as Jimmy Carter to discuss his book “Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid”
How Bush “supports” your children: just connecting a couple of dots here.
kathleen — see here for why we can work on it, but it doesn’t always happen…
Huckelberry Graham really did himself in today. He should have known he was NO match for Webb………
That comment about the “dog and pony” show should be used EVERYTIME they bring up their Iraq trips….and that goes for LIEberman
Peggy call-in to Jane radio: woohoo!
The John Dean piece is very disturbing since, at this moment, his hypothesis seems to fit the observations. It is interesting to me, that John Dean with his experience with Nixon and the fact that he is usually ahead of the current situation, can’t quite make the final leap the “Rule of Law” is history.
Dean talking about inherent contempt:
“Finally, if Miers is found in contempt, the House itself can take action against her at the bar of the House. (The Senate can similarly hold such proceedings.) Congress has the power to prosecute contumacious witnesses to require them to comply, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed this power. For example, in 1987, in Young v. U.S., Justice Antonin Scalia recognized “the narrow principle of necessity” or “self-defense” of the Congress in protecting its institutional prerogatives. Scalia said “the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches must each possess those powers necessary to protect the functioning of its own processes, although those implicit powers may take a form that appears to be nonlegislative, nonexecutive, or nonjudicial, respectively.”
If John’s hope is that Nino Scalia will defend precedent and defend Congressional Powers..I hope he is right..but I think SCOTUS overturning Brown was a signal that precedent is “so 20th century. If Nino Scalia is the last defense against dictatorship………
go Jane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Mom, we killed kids on bikes today.”
Maybe that could get worked into the national anthem.
puppethead @ 7
Your first impression was correct.
His Senate web site used to claim that he served in Desert Storm, which he did not.
[Added in proof: But, given his appearance, maybe he served in Dessert Storm.]
tw3k @ 10
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Register with FDL
Wait for an e-mail from FDL with a password
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After you get the FDL password, come back here and click on the Login link. Login to your FDL Profile, fill in the appropriate information including pasting the Facebook link info in to the appropriate box in your FDL profile.
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Listening to Meet the Presss on TIVO now.
Lindsey Graham says that he opposes the Jim Webb ammendment to make sure that troops receive the rest they need before being sent back overseas. His argument is that “troops keep re-enlisting at the highest rates ever.”
This is like a man who beats his wife, and says, “Well, she keeps coming back.”
Oh yeah, and good morning.
Morning, Mitch. :)
Big Mitch @ 24
This was a typo but the sinister serpentine hissing fits that oleogenous Lindsy Graham perfectly.
Shorter: Graham would fuck a snake if he could hold it still.
Thanks for so many essential links, Christy! I don’t know how you do it! I sure find that there is a Niagara’s worth of reading and only an open creek bed in my brain! *g*
Back at you, Ms. Smith
Just got home & started to listen to KPFA on ITunes.
Great job answering those call-ins, Jane!
Jane’s dog just made a comment on KPFK.
Poodle chimes in on radio
dakine01 @ 23
Thanks, I never noticed to registration before!
lol @ Jane’s firepup barking *g
Kobe is barking in the background!
Scarecrow @ 31
Which was more intelligent than a great amount of stuff that goes out over radio and television these days.
Today on Fox News William Kristol used the words-”Betray our troops” when talking about the pullout. I don’t remember the whole sentence but it was to the effect-The Democrats want to betray our troops by pulling out. This is beyond outrageous. I say we betray them when they have to die in this bullshit war. When Walter Reed is outsourced. When they serve so much time in country that 45,000 of them have combat fatigue. I could go on and on. Damn these people.
Jane sounds GREAT.
Good afternoon all.
The entire Moyers’ special on impeachment — actually, every Moyers show — are available as free podcasts at the iTunes Music Store. You can subscribe to the show, and it’s automatically downloaded every week.
Big Mitch @ 23
An alternate explanation is that they feel it’s there only job opportunity. My cousin, was in the 82nd(?) Airborne in Vietnam. When he re-upped for his third or fourth combat tour, they figured out he wanted to stay “in country” because he was a Heroin addict. It took him 30 years to get his shit together
giuliani complains about swift-boating. boo-fuc&ing-hoo.
OT:
Hurricane Katrina Ice Going Down Drain
GLOUCESTER, Mass. — After nearly two years, thousands of truck miles and $12.5 million in storage costs, a cold relic of the flawed Hurricane Katrina relief effort is going down the drain.
The federal government is getting rid of thousands of pounds of ice it had sent south to help Katrina victims, then north when it determined much of the ice wasn’t needed. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had been hanging on to the ice in case it was needed for another disaster, but decided to get rid of it because it couldn’t determine whether it was still safe for human consumption.
“We just didn’t take any chances,” FEMA spokeswoman Alexandra Kirin told the Gloucester Daily Times.
The ice, held at AmeriCold Logistics in Gloucester and at 22 similar facilities nationwide, is being melted. The cost of storing the ice at all the facilities since Katrina is $12.5 million.
The Army Corps of Engineers acknowledged after the August 2005 hurricane that it had ordered too much ice because of faulty estimates by local officials. Truckers received up to $900 a day to move the ice to storage sites around the country.
Gloucester received 118 truckloads of ice that September, but 99 of those were sent to Florida in October 2005 to help with relief efforts after Hurricane Wilma. By November 2005, only four truckloads, weighing between 40,000 and 84,000 pounds each, remained in Gloucester.
FEMA contracts required disposal of the ice three months after purchase, but Kirin said the agency decided to keep the excess ice for the 2006 hurricane season. With fewer storms than expected, the ice was not needed, and the agency decided not to save the ice for the 2007 season.
She added that FEMA tried to donate the ice, but “had no takers.”
Afternoon, TexB, still morning here!
Good Afternoon, Christy!
Thank you for all the great links!
Good afternoon to all.
Wasn’t Marcy great on Fini’s show?
Is Jane still on?
Scarecrow @ 30
An exact quote, “roof, roof.”
Loo Hoo. @ 34
Did Kobe say Impeach? I’m with you kid.
snowyegret @ 44
yes she is.
Big Mitch @ 41
Someone needs to remind Roody that the truth does not qualify as swift-boating.
Big Mitch @ 27
Russert allowed both Graham and Webb talk over one another for five minutes at the end of the program. This was not a service to the American Public.
bluejeansntshirt @ 45
Sounded like it to me!
bluejeansntshirt @ 46
Close. He’s asking Jane “Which Bush should I pee on?”
clamberite @ 36
Can “stab in the back” be far behind?
I’m confused as to why TIm Russert’s show is named “Meet the Press”. He has no journalistic training, he’s certainly not “the press”. It should be called “Be Judged By The DC Elite.”
Ed*ard Teller @ 51
707!
From CNN
“We were told to crank up the violence level,” said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense.
My bold. We. Are. In. Such. Deep. Sh*t.
Nequals1 @ 15
N=1, I have been slapped down for blog-whoring here, so I have tried to keep it to a minimum. But may I encourage you to look at “Need a good argument for universal health care?” from July 4, 2007.
“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”
(cue Brittany Spears: “Oops! I did it again!”)
Ah, the wisdom of dogs!
It may not be for everyone but Bonddad had an excellent dissection of the Bush Administration’s job creation numbers showing how they are based on estimates that tend to inflate what are already anemic numbers.
http://bonddad.blogspot.com/20…..html#links
C&L should have the Kobe transcript up in a few minutes. Something about Lindsey Graham.
We need Jane, Christy or Marcy in the White House Press room. During Bush’s last press conference he talked about Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Bush did not say Nuclear program (Iran is able to enrich uranium to a certain level according to the Non-proliferation treaty) he said Nuclear weapons program. Bush also talked about the IED’s being moved from Iran to Iraq. He did not say “allegedly”. General Pace has said there is no hard evidence to back this up.
So why was it that not one reporter in that room challenged these statements of Bush about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program and the IED’s coming from Iran.
Not one challenge. The only two MSMers questioning these claims are Chris Matthews and Diane Rehms.
Christy, Marcy and Jane would not have missed this.
Don’t get me wrong, I am thankful for everything Henry Waxman is doing, but how many times can he write a polite or even biting letter to Freddy boy when all he keeps getting in return is a response to go Cheney himself? I want to see one of these filthy serial liars in handcuffs!
Scarecrow @ 59
…ruckleberry…
Can someone get Jane a glass of water?
clamberite @ 35
We are going to hear more of the “Stabbed in the Back” as things get worse. I am surprised that Kristol is not more sensitive to that phrase. It is way to early to tell which group the 26% people will blame for the stabbing.
Dolchstoßlegende was very popular in Germany.
A really good Harper’s piece:
Stabbed in the back! The past and future of a right-wing myth
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/06/0081080
I thought this exchange was the one of the two most telling moments of the week.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..713-5.html
The other quote of the week? Sara Taylor saying she had sworn an oath to uphold the President.
Steve-AR @ 64
Yes. Kristol kept using the terms “surrender lobby.”
10 bucks a month dial-up.
puppethead @ 53
Kristol is a yellow bellied psychopath. Willing to push for a war of choice based on a “pack of lies”. George Galloway called the Senate out on the lies in the run up to the war.
Galloway tells it like it was and continues to be
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i…..69&c=1
Jane that was so amazing! Waiting for the podcast.
Hugh, I have a sense that there is a whole lot more to the oath to the President thing. These people behave like members of a cult. Should be fun to watch. Even after Leahy corrected her, she still voiced her support for the president. He almost yelled at her, and she gave him a cocky nod and smart ass answer.
Something up with the oath.
Jane making such a good point the Press our Reps have demanded investigations of lies under oath in regard to a B-Job…but forget holding those accountable for a pre-war intelligence SNOWJOB. They have their priorities!
What ever happenned to Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Feith and the other creators and dessiminators of all of the false intelligence used to manipulate the American people still run free.
Where is the accountability?
Wonderful job on KPFA, Jane.
tw3k @ 67
It’s also getting the computer, but we should find a way to get computers we update into the hands of people who can’t afford them.
You done great, Jane.
We are changing the nation, and the world. Thank you Jane for leading the way.
Such courage!
Hugh @ 65
The moment that Leahy set her straight and basically put the words in her mouth that her oath is supposed to be to the “constitution” was priceless. Although during the rest of her testimony Taylor continued to uphold her oath to the Prez.
snowyegret @ 74
Yep!
Loo Hoo. @ 34
It was actually Katie. Kobe was trying to hump her and she wasn’t having any of it.
Dogs. What can you say.
Jane Hamsher @ 78
LOL!
Loo Hoo. @ 70
Leahy and Taylors faces at that moment were priceless. Sara looked like a toddler with her hand in the cookie jar. That cookie that she was stealing from the jar just happenned to be the constitution.
Send Jane, Christy or Marcy into the White House Press room. The time is now!
kathleen @ 81
Yes! Were you the caller?
Kathleen your call was awesome! You probably steered a lot of people our way.
Loo Hoo. @ 70
There is something about being “read into the program.” Even with ear to the ground I can’t figure out what that means. There might really be such an oath, to the President.
Loo Hoo. @ 73
Good point! Those free shell accounts are great a educational tool as well!
Maybe another old term should be revived:
“Mitläufer” (or Mitlaeufer), a person passively complicit in Nazi crimes.
Dog humping! If only the caller knew.
There’s a local middle school in a very poor neighborhood where some organization has arranged for each student to be given a laptop on the first day of 6th grade, to keep. The students can dial in to a school district dial-up for internet access. The same filters for inappropriate content are on that are used on the school district network. Not sure how much the program costs, but the aim is to give those students access and to smooth out some of the disparities between students at that school and students in wealthier neighborhoods.
kathleen @ 81
Wouldn’t that be wonderful? I wonder what it takes to get a WH press pass. I’ve been trying to find Gannon/Guckart…
TexB @ 88
The One Laptop Per Child is a great project :D
Oh crap!
Car bomb in Baghdad square kills 10
Iraqi firefighters clean up the site where a parked car bomb killed 10 and wounded 25 people in the Karradah neighborhood in downtown Baghdad, Iraq Sunday, July 15, 2007. (AP
BAGHDAD – A car bomb packed with explosives detonated Sunday in a central Baghdad square, killing 10 people and wounding 25, the deadliest attack on a violent day that claimed the lives of at least 18 others.
clamberite @ 35
The 45,000 plus the 22,000 who were conveniently deemed to have prior conditions of “personality disorders” and then were given a general discharge, stripped of all claims and rights to VA healthcare and ordered to repay their bonuses, thus proving to be a military cost savings.
egregious @ 84
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to
Adolf Hitler, Führer of the German Reich and peopleGeorge W. Bush, Commander-in-Chief of the Greatest Christian Nation there ever was, is or will be, to observe the law when it benefits the Republican Party, and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties as Karl Rove understands them, so help me God.tw3k @ 90
This is a different program, but both seem worthwhile.
egregious @ 75
Not to late for us, but it sure sounds far too late for the Iraqi and Afghani people who are suffering due to our invasions of their countries.
Last evening I spent 2 hours talking with a friend from Afghanistan who is studying communications here in the states on a Fulbright. He communicates with his family weekly. Three of his cousins have been killed over the last two months by the Taliban. They all had jobs associated with the U.S..
His family is terrified about his return to Afghanistan. People who have worked with the U.S. are targeted and there is not enough money being put into building the Afghani infrastructure creating manufacturing or processing plants.
Did you know that Afghanistan has the best pomegrantes on the planet, how about an incredible variety of grapes. He has said that what Afghanistan needs are ways to turn agricultural (foods, cloth) into products. To compete economically with the poppy crop Almonds into how about expensive almond butter in health food stores. Cotton.. wool into clothing.
His family has said that there is not enough money and time being spent on training police and soldiers to with stand the Talibans’ efforts.
He has shared that many people in Afghanistan are looking towards the Taliban for security. The Bush administration took their eyes off the efforts in Afghanistan. Can you imagine if some of the billions spent in Iraq would have been put into stabilizing those efforts in Afghanistan. It sounds bad really bad in Afghanistan.
TexB @ 82
Yes
Jane Hamsher @ 78
you weren’t on video-phone, were you? heh.
BigMitch @ 55
My bad, and I won’t do it again, but thanks so much to the link. That is so correct, and it gets no traction in the discussion. As you can tel, I’m a health policy freak, and I wish there was a progressive site that umbrella’ed health, education, economic, transportation, labor and housing policy. It’s so frustrating to crawl over the intertubes looking for the little pieces. Jane? Anyone? Interested?
Wait, that happened on Meet The Press too !
Delurking to let you all know that Bill Moyers carried his themes forward yesterday at Lady Bird’s funeral. He didn’t use the “I” word, but he did talk about her love of democracy and courage in defending it. Laura and Barbara were in the audience. Wish our Congressional Dem learders had been as well.
You can listen to it here: http://kut.org/items/show/9138
Watching the 3 day memorial to Lady Bird deepens my conviction that our people are starved for leaders with integrity and courage and ideas that will improve people’s lives, not destroy them. Some are so starved that they’ve forgotten what sustenance feels like. Some are so young, they don’t know that such a thing is possible. With all the turmoil and devastation during the Johnson administration, I don’t believe that the Constitution was ever in danger of being shredded, as it is now. I gratefully read FDL every day because it gives me courage and hope.
Thanks for that link to the William Kristol article. Unbelievable. Talk about being in a bubble! He thinks W is going to be a success, because well, domestically we are just fine, we have new friends in the world, we now have Roberts & Alito on the Supreme Court, and by the way, we are winning in Iraq! (But Petraeus better come through on that win, or else W is shit.) He even thinks that all this “success” means we will have a republican prez in the next election! Well, get this clue Sherlock. W is a loser, has lost, has lost the nation, lost the war before even going into Iraq, and you asshole neo-cons don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the presidency in
2008. In fact, I predict that you ridiculous and cancerous neoncons will be wiped off the face of the earth.
TexB @ 94
Yeah, every byte counts!
When I called the Radio blog talk show I asked listeners to call or write to the Diane Rehm show
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/contact_us.php
or Talk of the Nation
http://www.npr.org/contact/
to ask that they bring Marcy Wheeler on to talk about her book “The Anatomy of Deceit”
I have lobbied folks before to call or write into these shows asking for particular topics to be covered or guest to have on and it works if they hear from enough people.
Call or write about Marcy’s book. Or ask them to have the FDL Team on their shows. It works
LeftInCenTexas at 100 “I gratefully read FDL every day because it gives me courage and hope.”
Nutshell.
People who say we can’t leave Iraq for this or that reason. They’re of course not over there. The longer we stay the worse it’s going to get.
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — A Marine corporal testifying in a court-martial said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to “crank up the violence level.”
Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.
“We were told to crank up the violence level,” said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense.
When a juror asked for further explanation, Lopezromo said: “We beat people, sir.”
allan_in_upstate @ 52
How about Jane, Christy or Marcy on Fox with Juan Williams instead of Mara Liasson ( who goes along far too often with Krauthammer and Kristol). Juan Williams really attempts to share another perspective but not Liasson. Marcy, Jane, Christy, Amy goodman or Katrina from the Nation would really give Kristol a run for his money. They would be a good counter weight to Kristol on Fox.
I am sure this would take Fox’s ratings up a bit.
For those who like dogs and other animals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDCj-1DTphw
Oklahoma kiddo @ 105
Nice. Don’t suppose any particular officers were implicated…
Kathleen said:
Not to late for us, but it sure sounds far too late for the Iraqi and Afghani people who are suffering due to our invasions of their countries.
Last evening I spent 2 hours talking with a friend from Afghanistan who is studying communications here in the states on a Fulbright. He communicates with his family weekly. Three of his cousins have been killed over the last two months by the Taliban. They all had jobs associated with the U.S..
His family is terrified about his return to Afghanistan. People who have worked with the U.S. are targeted and there is not enough money being put into building the Afghani infrastructure creating manufacturing or processing plants.
Did you know that Afghanistan has the best pomegrantes on the planet, how about an incredible variety of grapes. He has said that what Afghanistan needs are ways to turn agricultural (foods, cloth) into products. To compete economically with the poppy crop Almonds into how about expensive almond butter in health food stores. Cotton.. wool into clothing.
His family has said that there is not enough money and time being spent on training police and soldiers to with stand the Talibans’ efforts.
He has shared that many people in Afghanistan are looking towards the Taliban for security. The Bush administration took their eyes off the efforts in Afghanistan. Can you imagine if some of the billions spent in Iraq would have been put into stabilizing those efforts in Afghanistan. It sounds bad really bad in Afghanistan.
I’m sorry for your Afghan friend. I know many Afghans who have returned in hopes of helping with reconstruction and development and they are not optimistic. The lack of security, the increase in fundamentalism (post US intervention) and the incompetence of the government are preventing them from devoting 100% to those efforts. Men and women who were once refugees and want desperately to help the country succeed are finding that the risks are too high for their families.
How low can congress’s numbers go?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..than-bush/
BAGHDAD — Although Bush administration officials have frequently lashed out at Syria and Iran, accusing it of helping insurgents and militias here, the largest number of foreign fighters and suicide bombers in Iraq come from a third neighbor, Saudi Arabia, according to a senior U.S. military officer and Iraqi lawmakers.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..ome-center
Oklahoma kiddo @ 111
Webb pointed that out in his “debate” with that scrawny little pipsqueak Air Force lawyer this morning.
KPFA’s podcast from this morning can be dloaded, Jane’s appearance included. Big file, a little over 20mb.
Jane begins about 1 hr and 3 minutes in.
For years I have wanted someone to ask Bush why no one related to him will serve in his war. No one will even ask Tony Snow. Scott McClellan was asked one time if there were any Bush relatives serving. He promised to find out, but months passed and he resigned without answering. It would be great to at least hear Snow’s snide response to the same question.
Is peace out of reach?
The chance for Israeli-Palestinian reconciliation may have passed.
At this point, no Israeli government will sign an agreement with a Palestinian leader who is not authoritative, peace-seeking, presiding over a unified populace — and in control of all the guns.
And no Palestinian government will sign an accord with Israel that doesn’t resolve the core issues of Jerusalem, borders and refugees in a way that meets the needs of their national narrative. That means something very close to the June 4, 1967, borders, a real capital in East Jerusalem with sovereignty over Muslim holy places and a solution to refugees that deals meaningfully with right of return while precluding the necessity of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians returning to Israel proper.
Without a determined effort, led by the United States, with Israelis and Arabs making tough decisions, Middle East peacemaking, like the Camp David summit, could become an artifact of history, shrouded and buried in the hopes and desires of what might have been.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..ion-center
Thanks for that link.
Bill Moyers words about Lady Bird Johnson were profound. What a poet… Lady Bird aimed “for the consolation and comfort of others” and had “convictions of steel”
Worth the listen
http://kut.org/items/show/9138
As was said in the Bill Moyers discussion – we are citizens, not subjects. We must assume our responsibility and insist that the House members assume theirs, as well. Now, how do we get everyone together to do this? It needs to be a sustained effort.
raven @ 112
I was fishing in the nearby Red River. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
Cool, I just got back from a week in New England. Couple days in Boston and a few more in Maine and NH. Caught one decent striper just south of Kennebunk on Thursday.
LeftInCenTexas @ 100
Where in Central Texas are you? There’s a whole bunch of us in Austin & San Antonio
Oklahoma kiddo @ 115
The Palestinians should be justly compensated for what has been taken from them. JUSTLY. By the Israelis. Without U.S. taxpayers’ money involved. The Palestinians should not be our surrogates for Western Civilization’s 2,000-year-old animus toward the Jewish people.
Jane Hamsher @ 78
Ha!
Tuned in late–but I knew it was Katie. She probably has figured out the radio thing and wanted some love, too.
Kathleen @ 116:
It will be interesting what will be said of Laura Bush when the time comes. I’m predicting it won’t be a long funeral.
newtonusr @ 108
That plus the earlier comment that they view all Iraqi men as the enemy. Not too far from genocide. We are Germany. How the hell did that happen? We observe the relatively recent history of civilized countries sliding into totalitarian nightmares, just didn’t think we would be next.
Will we follow the example of imperial Russia, where all sensible advisors to the President were fired, and the damage lasted for one hundred years; or Germany where the strong leader came in and said THOSE people are the enemy. Or both.
My hometown in Ohio is sinking into bankruptcy. Jobs going overseas. Steel mill, the last large employer, cutting way back. School bond levy failed—again. All extracurriculars cut, no more sports, no more music which was our pride and joy [piccolo here]. Sheriff sales of homes lost to mortgage foreclosures up big time. Shopping center dying because Walmart opened. Hospital closing. You know, it wouldn’t take very much demagoguery to persuade people there that immigrants were to blame. I am already getting forwarded winger emails from my high school classmates.
Beware. People might seek a strong leader here. And what will the human cost be? Ghostman has voiced similar sentiments. The response to economic and political chaos which the Bush administration is leading us toward could be a living nightmare. Let’s think about this possibility in advance.
Badwater @ 114
Helen Thomas asked Tony Snow this question about who in the Bush family is serving in Iraq. After some silence and some stumbling, Snow said George Bush is on the front lines.
I wished the WH Press Corps would burst out laughing at the appropriate times! This was one of those times…
I’m sorry Lady Bird passed away but, IMHO, Lyndon was as responsible for the Vietnam War as anyone. It’s hard for me to forget some awfully fine people who never lived passed 18 years so he didn’t become “the first President to lose a war”.
Beware. People might seek a strong leader here. And what will the human cost be? Ghostman has voiced similar sentiments. The response to economic and political chaos which the Bush administration is leading us toward could be a living nightmare. Let’s think about this possibility in advance.
This is what scares me about Webb. I donated money to his campaign but someone who was, and still is, so gung ho on Vietnam makes me nervous.
Raven, I share your concerns about supporting someone who thought Vietnam was a good idea. But Webb opposed Iraq, in writing, before we went in there.
And he is the strongest advocate within the Senate for getting proper treatment for our troops. I can hardly believe that 41 Senators who voted against cloture could overrule the 56 who voted for the Webb amendment, which would require a pitiful minimum rest time in between deployments overseas.
Who is supporting the troops?
In addition, he is the leader in the Senate arguing against war with Iran. I do not agree with many of his positions but the war situation is so critical, and his leadership so important, that I am willing to set aside our differences in other areas, including his view of Vietnam, in order to get us out of Iraq and keep us out of Iran.
KayInMaine @ 125
It was great when Lindsey Graham kept pestering Webb about whether he had “been” in Iraq. Webb got all in his ass about these punk “dog and pony” shows that Graham has been to.
Ed*ard Teller @ 121
I am convinced that Israel has no desire for Peace. Keep the chaos keep expanding Israel’s influence and control.
The Palestinians should absolutely be justly compenstated and Israel should get back to the 67 border give back the Golan ,share the water fairly, and sign the IAEA’s non-proliferation treaty that they want their neighbors to abide by. Period!
Can you imagine being in Iran and watching what the U.S. has done in Iraq based on lies and what Israel did in Lebanon.
Remember we overthrew a Democratically elected leader in Iran.
egregious at 124 said
That plus the earlier comment that they view all Iraqi men as the enemy. Not too far from genocide. We are Germany. How the hell did that happen? We observe the relatively recent history of civilized countries sliding into totalitarian nightmares, just didn’t think we would be next.
Will we follow the example of imperial Russia, where all sensible advisors to the President were fired, and the damage lasted for one hundred years; or Germany where the strong leader came in and said THOSE people are the enemy. Or both.
My hometown in Ohio is sinking into bankruptcy. Jobs going overseas. Steel mill, the last large employer, cutting way back. School bond levy failed—again. All extracurriculars cut, no more sports, no more music which was our pride and joy [piccolo here]. Sheriff sales of homes lost to mortgage foreclosures up big time. Shopping center dying because Walmart opened. Hospital closing. You know, it wouldn’t take very much demagoguery to persuade people there that immigrants were to blame. I am already getting forwarded winger emails from my high school classmates.
Beware. People might seek a strong leader here. And what will the human cost be? Ghostman has voiced similar sentiments. The response to economic and political chaos which the Bush administration is leading us toward could be a living nightmare. Let’s think about this possibility in advance.
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egregious, I think this is why our local talk radio, based on rightwing hatred of crimaliens is so dangerous. People want to blame someone and rather than the billions going to Iraq being spoken of, its illegal aliens.
Because of bargaining, or lack of good bargaining, I will net less next year because I was forced to accept a 10% increase in health care costs plus increase copays and increased prescription pays. We were forced to take it or risk not getting a 2% pay increase (which is gone before I get it because I don’t make much). Nothing else in life is going down in price, so each year gets worse.
What these radio stations are doing is strumming hatred, day in and day out.
egregious @ 128
I know, I’m just saying we need to be vigilant. Also, it’s not just that he thought Vietnam was a good idea but the way he has continued to hammer the VVAW for it’s role in the anit-war movement. Webb
KayInMaine @ 123
She stood by her man as he started a war of choice and sent American troops to their deaths and created an enviroment in Iraq for a genocide to take place based on a pack of lies that they had told.
Lady Bird is guilty of some of the the same behaviour.
kathleen @ 133
He Kathleen, we agree on something! We better write down the date and time. :)
signed
silly Raven
kathleen @ 133
I’m reading Kelley’s book on the Bushes–in the middle of 41’s Veep term. Sounds like few will mourn Bar.
me @ 135
My bad–my comment got inserted in the middle of the quote–it’s about Barbara Bush. Could mods fix it, by putting it at the end? I’ll try to be more careful.
raven—I agree with you. Just thinking that we need to build a broad coalition of people who can get us out of Iraq and keep us out of Iran. That plus restoring constitutional government here are the overarching priorities in my opinion.
We can spend the rest of our lives safely arguing the rest of our differences if we can only get past these enormous problems. Big tent, wide coalition, crashing the gates. First things first, and not letting the devil take the hindmost but simply postponing making anything else a top priority until we have accomplished our main goals.
Somehow, I don’t think the bloggers are the amatures. Unless professional means your bought and paid for by the Administration and the King.
I think the so-called msm see full well the bus that is bearing down on them….but like all dinos (trex excepted) they sing “just a little more time, just a little more money.”
I think some of them still think that America really believes them, but there comes a time when even a lie said sincerely and with a smile is what it is, a lie.
I don’t see how anyone in J school can set a goal of working for one of these big state-run organizations. And as we have all seen, they do not know how to deal with communication that’s not one way. They are used to sitting at that microphone, or behind that news desk, and putting their point of view out there, and the “little people” can’t have a voice back, except through carefully selected letters to the editor. Except it doesn’t work that way in this medium. Communication is two-way, and the entire dynamic changes, because while a “pundit” can say anything (and most people can’t check it), with the Internet, and cell phones and more important cell phone cameras…..you can have evidence from around the world on the web in a few seconds. And the web has a memory….oh, boy does it. So they can’t say “I didn’t say that.”
The Moyers show should be required watching/listening for every Rep and Senator, and especially Nancy Pelosi. I’ve sent links to my Congresswoman and Senators in the hope they’ll actually watch it. I agree with the show’s guests that to get the public educated about what impeachment really is and why it’s so important now is an essential part of building demand for it and getting people on both sides of the aisle to come aboard. This isn’t just about the current administration. It’s about all that will follow it. We need to stop the abuses here and now.
raven @ 126
Respectfully Raven,
IIRC that line “the first President to loose a war” was a Nixon line. While LBJ was looking to negotiate, Kissinger and Nixon were surrepticiously contacting the N. Vietnamese using “private diplomacy” to undermine the Johnson administrations efforts.
Furthermore, Johnson was inheritor of a strategic overview issueing from the era’s giants – Truman, Marshall, Churchill, Eisenwower, etc. who experienced the “domino effect” overrun of Eastern Europe and applied the perception to SEA. Johnson had no counter information at his disposal, only hindsight to illuminate the error, there were no contemporaneous theories to choose from. That in the end, Johnson, acknowledging the error made, chose not to run again, says something for his character, particularly as “quitting” was not a recognised personality trait of Johnson’s.
This may provide a fairer picture of the period than that written by Nixon et al. All the best…….
eCAHNomics @ 136
Done. No problem.
For anyone who thinks Pelosi is going to listen, forget it. She’s one of them. Californians (of which I used to be one) should back and vote for Cindy Sheehan). Or if Pelosi is up for reelection soon….write in Cindy Sheehan.
There is more than one way to have a revolution, just as King George showed us that there is more than one way to stage a Coup de Etat.
I do not mourn Mrs Johnson’s passing, except as I would mourn any other human being. She stood silent while more than 50,000 American boys and girls were killed (their names are on a long black wall in Washington). I did not mourn Nixon’s passing, and I will not mourn Kissinger’s passing. They just did too much damage to this country.
Arnie @ 140
Point taken, LBJ said something like “Khe Sahn wasn’t going to be no Deen Been Foo”, while taking the bait and setting us up for Tet. I realize that he took the advice of “the Best and the Brightest” and then they left him out to dry. My disdain for the trickster will always be great but I personally cannot let LBJ off the hook. Too many ghosts. Thanks for your gentle approach to my ravings.
kay in maine at 123 says-”It will be interesting what will be said of Laura Bush when the time comes. I’m predicting it won’t be a long funeral.”
kathleen at 133
She stood by her man as he started a war of choice and sent American troops to their deaths and created an enviroment in Iraq for a genocide to take place based on a pack of lies that they had told.
Lady Bird is guilty of some of the the same behaviour.
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puhleeeeeze!!!!!! comparing laura bush to lady bird johnson???????
i think katy in maine meant that lady bird had a long list of accomplishments, all her own, of her own making and doing, and miss laura has zip…….
she was also known to be straight-up and ‘direct’ with her husband, and one of the only people able to ‘draw him in’……how do you know if she wasn’t one of the reasons we got out of vietnam?
how do you know if she wasn’t one of the reasons we got out of vietnam?
Maybe because it was 7 years after he left office?
Arnie
RE:
How does this differ from the “strategic overview” of Nixon. They all say they did the best with the information they had.
Raven @143
There are still unhealed wounds of the period that require healing. I was not trying to add salt; distorting history is not conducive to healing anymore than accepting lies is conducive to good governance. It is gauling to listen (or read) to the neocon version of the period, mostly for the self-serving allocation of blame. Johnson certainly has blood on his hands, but not blood due to subtrafuge and lies.
Personally, I am still unable to look at even a picture of “the Wall” without an overwhelming sence of loss- Nunca Mas, ¡Basta!
me
how do you know if she wasn’t one of the reasons we got out of vietnam?
raven
Maybe because it was 7 years after he left office?
yeah, i know, but she was the reason he didn’t run again…….and yeah, he could have done more, but i wonder about that, since he was such a ‘grab ‘em by the balls and squeeze hard’ kinda man….it doesn’t match up…history hasn’t shown the answers to that yet……
i didn’t know her, but i find it hard to believe she was for the war…….i don’t believe it……and i don’t believe she was silent. she wasn’t a ’suffer in silence’ kind of woman……and she had a lot of influence, talked to a lot of people…..i have always wondered what all she did behind the scenes……
and my comment wasn’t meant to get in a pump up lbj war, cuz you’re talkin’ to the wrong girl for that, that’s not was i was doing, i was merely guffawing at comparing laura bush with lady bird johnson……..
TexB @ 88
Here, there’s a housing project that has after-school classes on how to build your own computer. The kids who particpate get to take the computers home. The volunteers rely on donated keyboards, computers, etc.
Raven @ 146
Look at the character and accomplishments of both.
egregious @ 124
That might well be the deliberate program. Create a chaos that seems to require dictatorship. I’ve often wondered if the magic way out of the deficit will be to destroy the value of the dollar, following the model of 1920s Germany, thus evading the consequences of the debt and creating massive social insecurity.
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sagesoure, I think we are going into a period of higher inflation. It’s the only way to pay back our debts internationally, but it will eviscerate our currency.
Hey we didn’t really need a middle class anyway.
Steve-AR @ 64
I guess this comment sums up why I am scared shitless of these fucking fascists.
Republicans think once a war is started..it should never end. Miss the killing? It’s always unpatriotic to end a war…conversely…patriotic to start a war. What does that say about their American ideal? No money for US left is patriotic? Tax revolt time.
Another thing that bugs me no end: That congressman from Louisiana, who got caught with money. Is he guilty? Beats me. Investigate or try him. But no “talking head” — even too many lefty blogs — ever mentions him without saying, “… in his freezer.” So F-ing what?
Would he have NOT broken the law (possibly) if the cash had been in his BANK, or in his SAFE, or in his POCKET? No! It is THE FREEZER that makes the story.
I am so sick of irrelevance.
Concerned about Webb…He has not signed on as a co-sponsor to restore Habeas Corpus. What’s up with that? Neither has Schumer. (Neither has Evan Bayh (D/R-IN)…snark…sometimes it’s hard to tell if he’s a Dem or a Republican. I just wrote him a letter, as a constituent.
Hopefully this week, the push to get Senators to sign on, will turn the tide on those who are holding back, but Habeas Corpus? C’mon…it’s a no-brainer.
clamberite @ 36
Was he speaking Yiddish or German? Whose troops was he saying were being betrayed, the Israeli army? It seems we have too many dual-citizenship Israelis running the show and they’ve lost their respect for America.
Arnie @ 140
I’d forgotten about that…probably psychological suppression.
The “October Surprise” wasn’t a Bush original! Seems all Evil in American politics begins and ends with Nixon. Why won’t that man stay dead.