The thing about the rabid theocratic base of the GOP is that you can’t just be against sin: pornography, gayz, and abortion. You have to actively work to stamp it out. If you are in a position to actively work to stamp sin out, and it doesn’t go away, then you are not protecting children, families, and fetii. You are, in fact, enabling sin.
So what to make of a GOP PrezCandi who not only didn’t stamp out sin in his midst, but served for ten years on the board of directors of a company — Marriott — that profits mightily from pornography every year?
Companies like General Motors, Marriott and Time Warner are now making millions selling erotica to America.
Especially when another hotelier — Omni — no longer carries porn because its leadership feels porn doesn’t sit well with their values. If some chains don’t carry porn, why should Marriott? The Mormon church’s hometown paper has the goods on Willard “Mitt” Romney:
Romney caught a bit of flack last week because he spent nearly 10 years on the Marriott board and yet never tried to reverse the company’s policy of providing pornography on demand, something J.W. “Bill” Marriott Jr., defended in a 2000 letter as being economically important. The corporation controls only a few of the hotels with its name on them.
For a presidential candidate who has railed against pornography, this is not entirely insignificant. Even if the subject never came up at a board meeting, one can argue that at least part of the $25,000 plus stock he was paid annually for his board membership came from the money some hotel guests paid for access to the films.
And there is something the Mittster could have done, something other hoteliers have done:
Interestingly, several hotel chains have decided to forego the extra money out of a sense of moral obligation. The Web site cleanhotels.com helps travelers locate these. The site includes what it calls, “The Clean Hotels Pledge.”
I’m not entirely opposed to pornography. We have not taken The Clean Hotels Pledge here at chez TSF. But it’s important that the folks in Iowa know that the Mittster’s not just profited from it — he’s been in a position to do something about it and hasn’t. And, look! Some important American Talibangelical leaders are making sure that Iowans do know about the Mittsters’ problem:
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, a leading conservative group in Washington, said: “They have to assume some responsibility. It’s their hotels, it’s their television sets.”
Actually, not all Marriotts have porn. The fancy ones don’t:
Ritz-Carlton, the hotel name synonymous with luxury, also does not offer in-room pornography even though it is owned by Marriott International.
But pornography really doesn’t harm anybody, does it? Ooops, Willard thinks it does:
“Pornography and violence poison our music and movies and TV and video games,” Romney said May 5 during a commencement address at Regent University, the evangelical Christian school run by Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson.
“The Virginia Tech shooter, like the Columbine shooters before him, had drunk from this cesspool.”
So, Willard (named after the Marriott founder): this cesspool you’ve profited from at Marriott, is it a problem in Iowa, where social conservatives play a large role (my bold)?
President of the Iowa Right to Life Committee Kim Lehman, who had not heard about the growing controversy, said if true, it would have negative consequences for Romney’s campaign. “If he had the opportunity to protect families and didn’t take the opportunity, he’s going to be viewed as a hypocrite,” she said. “If it’s true if he could have, but chose not to … and to say you’re for families and for children, when you have a tremendous opportunity to take, these are all issues he’s going to be faced with.”
Maybe the Talibangelicals now have a reason other than Mitt’s Mormon religion to oppose him. Since it wouldn’t be Christian, would it, to make a candidate’s religion an issue. It’s that he may have profited from pornography they don’t like. And the he didn’t stop it. Yup, that’s the ticket:
“My attitude toward board members is that they are fully responsible,” John Harmer, President of the anti-pornography group The Lighted Candle Society, told [Christian Broadcasting Network reporter and Meet the Press panelist David] Brody. “They knew exactly what they were receiving. I don’t think any board member under any rationale could claim ignorance. You’re either a board member or not. I can’t imagine a board member going a full year and not receiving a revenue report from the company.”
John Harmer was Ronald Reagan’s lieutenant governor in California, so this is the closest thing to GOP Received Wisdom. Guess it’s okay to hate on the Mittster now, Xtianists, since you aren’t hating on him for his “wacky religion.”
(h/t to The Right’s Field which you really want to bookmark and read every day!)
PS On a semi-related note: Dianne Feinstein non-fan, one-time Hunter S. Thompson employer, and pornography impresario Jim Mitchell passed away at 63, of an apparent heart attack, at his home in western Sonoma County.
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Zed?
lolo!
boing – flying forward one-and-a-half somersaults, pike, wee bit of splash
g’evening everyone
excellent post, teddy
So then we should stamp out theocracy. Or theocrats. Or hypocrites. Or all of it!
congrats on the zed, gordon
Suzanne @ 3
Hiya Suzanne!
Poor Mitt. Poor, poor Mitt. Hee hee.
Hi lo
since we are dealing with porn, consider this a gentle reminder that the * is your friend in avoiding the filters
SnarKassandra @ 4
Can’t really stamp out theocrats or hypocrites. What we can do is mock them loudly, publicly, and often.
How many of Brigham Young’s wives were under the age of 16 at the time of their wedding?
Maybe the Deseret News could assign one of their hard-hitting investigative reporters to it.
Why do they care what people do at hotels? Isn’t it between the people and their partner? And maybe God? Why does some prez candidate get to have a say? How stupid!
excellent dive, Suz!
g00d evening, every0ne
(the zer0 is als0 y0ur friend)
So, the President of Iowa Right to Life thinks Willard “Ball-Glove” Romney is a hypocrite? Wonder how he feels about the thrice-married adulterous NYmayor? The mayor who, well, is not a member of Right to Life?
Thanks, Teddy. I let downstairs know – I used to work for an SF atty who did porn defense for the Mitchell Brothers, back in the 70’s.
Suzanne @ 5
Thanks Suzanne. Got it on Ian’s post yesterday, too. Thought I had one earlier today, but not only did I not get it, but it I didn’t even look at the title of the post. Turned out it was bad etiquette since it was the Book Salon. So you can sp*nk me, or perhaps apologize in an infuriating manner. I deserve it ;-(.
EvilDrPuma @ 7
Hard to believe the Big Xtianists have developed an entirely acceptable reason to tell their low-info church-going voters he’s not voteworthy, isn’t it?
This is likely some kind of set-up. I guarantee you that the folks who run the Deseret News are closely and I mean closely connected to the folks who run the Romney campaign.
All of them, Cassie, you brilliant girl; and great dive, Suzanne.
SnarKassandra @ 12
Yes, it is; but we’re talking about people who would turn police officers into peeping toms just to satisfy their witch-hunter’s curiosity about what everybody else is doing in their bedrooms. Stupid is a way of life for them.
SnarKassandra @ 12
He’s actually made some statements, probably wildly unacceptable to the televangelicals, that he’s not trying to impose his views on other adults, and that it would be wrong to impose his own views on the profitability of a publicly held company. It’s another example of flip-flop Double Gitmo Mitt — he’ll say anything he thinks you want to hear.
Evening all. So now we know the meaning of life and the real purpose of the internet. Late night is definitely educational. And I do love it when conservative hypocrites get caught with their pants down.
I believe the Mariott family is Mormon.
TeddySanFran @ 17
If by “hard to believe” you mean “no suspense at all,” then yes….
Gordon I believe the self-spanking you just did is reinforcing that lesson much more than I could ever do. :)
OT but just posted below:
Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls (202-225-0100) voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney. (Say yes or no to the daily poll. It will be forwarded to the Speaker.) CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard 202-224-3121, you can also call your district’s congressional representative to insist he or she support impeachment (e.g., H Res 333)
Choices ain’t too good for right-wing Iowa theocrats, looking ahead to caucus time. Ball-Glove. Smoldering husk of John Sidney McCain III. Pro-adultery mayor of Babylon-on-the-Hudson. And those seven other little fellers. Sad. Oh, the fake NY DA. There’s always him.
EvilDrPuma @ 20
Well it worked well for the in the 16th century.
TeddySanFran @ 21
(opens envelope, reads)
“What does Mitt Romney have in common with every other ‘08 wingnut candidate?”
I wonder if Jackie Treehorn is contributing to Ball-Glove’s campaign?
I thought the Church of Latter Day Saints owned all of the Marriot Hotels. Shows what I know. I wonder what other corporations the church owns?
Just watched Pleasantville with my son. Ponderings on that here, if anyone is interested.
Loo Hoo. @ 31
Bonneville Broadcasting, owner of radio stations in many large cities, including Washington, D.C.
cleter @ 26
Brownback! Who today, someone mentioned on an earlier thread, called for us to bomb Iran now.
Found it:
brkily @ 27
Firepups, to the telephones!
Loo Hoo. @ 31
Dear god, they don’t actually MAKE the pr0n, do they? Oh, mercy…there isn’t actual…video of Governor Ball-Glove, is there?
Loo Hoo. @ 31
KOIT radio in SF, for one.
TeddySanFran @ 34
I think it would be nice if Brownback waited until the generation he’s committing to this fight got a vote on the matter. And I’ll wager Cassie agrees.
cleter @ 26
And I thought I needed a laugh tonight. Where are you next?
TeddySanFran @ 34
I was including him in the seven little fellers. Maybe he can be the fake DAs running mate.
But.. but… if you get rid of all the p0rn, then RNC campaign heads will be forced to roam public restrooms and ask anonymous strangers if they can blo….
Oh, never mind!
Slothrop @ 11
“A New York Times article yesterday makes the connection, between the prosecution of Larry W. Peterman’s video store chain and the size and scope of the pornography business. Peterman’s lawyer, LDS Church member Rany Spencer, decided to investigate the pervasiveness of pornography in Utah county as part of Peterman’s defense. Spencer sent an investigator to Provo’s Marriott hotel to find out about the sex films that could be obtained at the hotel. His investigators also obtained records of how much Utah county residents were using cable and satellite television to see pornography. To Spencer’s shock, they discovered that residents of Utah county bought more pornography per capita than those elsewhere.”
http://www.mormonstoday.com/00…..rn01.shtml
Pretty funny if you ask me ; )
No, the Marriotts show pr0n in their rooms worldwide. The pr0n is more profitable than the minibar in most hotels. And the average length of play for pr0n in a hotel room?
Six minutes.
Great. Now I can’t get that pesky little tune out of my mind. Damn you, TSF!!!
Suzanne @ 35
mailbox is full, but opens again tomorrow at 8:30am EDT.
larue just pointed out downstairs the Capitol Switchboard is closed until tomorrow morning :(
Suzanne @ 46
We always call the local numbers and not the one in Washington.
OK, this seems an appropriate thread to post this little goodie about College Republicans. Such delightful people.
jacqrat @ 41
If they outlaw p0rn then only outlaw will have p0rn, no wait the outlaws have p0rn, but its ok they are republicans.
I just called both numbers….office is closed, and you can’t leave a message…must be a full que. Try calling tomorrow.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Fern @ 43
sorry!
Did y’all click through to the Jim Mitchell obit? Here’s my favorite part:
I think you’d get Patriot Act-ed for that nowadays.
TeddySanFran @ 42
Minibars? Minibars with LIQUOR? What the hell kind of Mormon is he?
brkily @ 27
Mailbox is already full! Thanks birkily, I’ll do it tomorrow.
Washington Post Radio is owned and operated by Bonneville Broadcasting.
Oh yes…
TeddySanFran @ 37
Actually, Teddy, KOIT was sold off to Entercomm, another broadcasting corporation based in PA.
KOIT used to be owned by Bonneville. Them’s the mormons.
Cozumel @ 42
That was a landmark case actually. It changed what had previously been the “community standards” bit. I saw it on some cable TV show a few years ago
TeddySanFran @ 42
What happens after the six minutes?
Wow.
So there’s a Sesame Street special, When Parents are Deployed, dealing with the issue.
Way to support those family values, Bush, setting that kind of record for child/parent separation.
Slothrop @ 11
Of his 27 wives, two were 16 and one 15.
Loo Hoo. @ 57
Roll over and go to sleep, the pr*n having fulfilled its purpose for the lonely traveler.
The fastest way to get someone to do something is to tell them they can’t, Coz.
Loo Hoo. @ 57
their parents come into to the room and shut it off
worried sick @ 23
The more the mariott.
Slothrop @ 54
REad this and get scared. .pdf document talking about their new “FM NEWS INITIATIVE“. They are “changing the way news is delivered…” I’ll just bet they are!
Cozumel @ 44
Okay, I’ll buy that, but do they {{{{DANCE!}}}}
Loo Hoo. @ 57
“Clouds and Rain” as the Chinese say.
demi @ 50
Hi Sweets!
SK, you are funny.
cleter @ 52
OK, can’t stop laughing…still…ok, stop…
SnarKassandra @ 62
This outcome being so predictable that nobody bothers to make more than six minutes’ worth any more.
Nice one, Cassie.
EvilDrPuma @ 70
Well, ya see, Alexis and I had our own hotel room when we went tor Corpus, and the TV had a lot of stuff blocked, but …. their room was right next to our room and their TV wasn’t blocked, and ….
jacqrat @ 64
…by delivering it in four-part falsetto harmony.
Suzanne @ 35
Only during business hours, I just got off the phone w/Pelosi!!! :-(
Speaking of porn…..
“Outsourcing Justice? That’s Obscene” – when you go to the Department of Justice website to report an obscene website (let’s just say you have the urge), it directs you to a privately run site run by Morality in Media, an “interfaith organization.”
No, really. I’m serious.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01728.html
Loo Hoo. @ 65
Probably couldn’t even if they wanted to, like us lead-footed former mennonites!
SnarKassandra @ 71
Uh huh.
Mr Marriott got his start selling root beer from a cart on 14th street, in DC. Opened an small shop called Hot Shoppes and the rest is history. My father remembered Marriott’s A&W Root Beer Stand and would tell the story when we went to the Hot Shoppes drive in.
Wow, anybody look at that Clean Hotels Pledge?
The little ’submit’ button is labeled “I so pledge”.
A resource for locating porn-free hotels is in itself pretty harmless, and perhaps even useful.
But this is some nutball shit right here.
Offtopic: why is it that every time I turn on CSPAN today I see Bob Novak’s big fat head?
Years ago I relocated to KCMO ()for a very long year).
My first ‘home’ was a motel on I80 which showed the Playboy Channel.
They showed heavilly edited 80s (this was the 80s) pr0n.
It was a hoot – not unlike a kung-fu movie with all the violent bits cut out.
OT
Did we know that Kate O’Beirne is Novak’s GODMOTHER?? No shit! He just said so on Cspan.
Marriott family values
The $11-billion hotel chain reflects its founding family’s values, says Fortune’s Marc Gunther*.
* (except for the free-flowing pr0n in every room, and a mini-bar stocked to the GILLS with DEMON RUM!)
I like that the Christian Broadcasting Network — that’s Pat Robertson’s outfit — is all over this story. I betcha people got the word in church today (and on the Xtian teevee) that there’s a decent reason for decent people to oppose Double Gitmo Mitt — and it’s not his religion. The Big Talibangelists are really worried about his meetup-with-Jesus-in-Missouri Mormonism not being good for perpetual Real Holy Land War.
This could really help Brownback, especially with Gilmore outta the race.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 81
Their families know each other from way back.
Scary.
marymccurnin @ 84
So THAT’s why his teeth look like that.
Here is the LDS position on po*nography:
Pornography
Pornography is any material depicting or describing the human body or sexual conduct in a way that arouses sexual feelings. It is distributed through many media, including magazines, books, television, movies, music, and the Internet. It is as harmful to the spirit as tobacco, alcohol, and drugs are to the body. Using pornographic material in any way is a violation of a commandment of God: “Thou shalt not . . . commit adultery . . . nor do anything like unto it” (D&C 59:6). It can lead to other serious sins. Members of the Church should avoid pornography in any form and should oppose its production, distribution, and use.
GordonM @ 48
Oh GordonM, this is so sick. This is what the next generation is about? And I’m not a prude, just a person who wants decency.
Chris
VictorLaszlo @ 78
This is just some smart capitalist making a lot of money. Anybody can go into any hotel room and NOT order the porn. There are a lot of stupid people amongst us…
SP (at work) @ 79
It’s only going to get worse. Soon, Novak’s head will get so big and fat that it will occupy all points in spacetime simultaneously, and then we’ll never get rid of him.
VictorLaszlo @ 78
Does seem to be a tad over the top.
Steve-AR @ 59
According to PBS, Brigham Young had fifty wives. Some were widows, apparently.
And some were…
Sparkles the Iguana @ 74
Official photo of BushCo….empty chair.
Goes with the empty suits.
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Chief Political Reporter Dan Balz at 11am eastern
“Bush Will Win” author Bloody-Hands Bill Kristol at Noon eastern
Media Reporter Howard Kurtz at Noon eastern
Pollsters Jon Cohen and Jennifer Agiesta on Virginia’s Independent Voters at 2 eastern
Sparkles the Iguana @ 74
Good idea! I feel an urge, and Mitt Romney’s name will be in the complaint.
I will book through CleanHotels.com if it actually means the room and the sheets, etc. will be clean. That’s the only clean I need to know about.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 81
No way. The godparent is supposed to be of a different generation.
“The residents of Utah county bought more pornography per capita than those elsewhere.” quote is so not a shock. The more buttoned down and repressed someone is, the more likely that all that repression will end up driving them to “sin.” I find it funny that Mitt is taking a beating on this though, when there is so much else about him that is horrific, like his views on abortion, or his insane double Gitmo comment. It says something very specific about the state of this country that being a flip-flopping, misogynistic, war mongering dumb-ass fascist Ken doll is okay, but being involved with pornography is bad. Republicans are consistent though, you gotta give them credit.
mhpcr @ 92
Allowing for higher mortality in the 19th century in the middle of nowhere, that would make the average age of Brigham Young’s wives…what, 17?
SP (at work) @ 79
His book is just out; Pumpkinhead Russert was pimping it (and featuring Novakula) this morning. Shameful, I know.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 81
Paging darkblack….
Loo Hoo. @ 96
Well, it is really hard to tell the ages of the undead.
mhpcr @ 92
I think the 27 were officially married. The other 30 or so were un-official, I am the alpha male, you are my wife, type wives. I think Jones and Koresh used the same ploy to screw the “young chick’s”
Loo Hoo. @ 96
It’s because he was Jewish but converted to Catholicism in 1996 or so. Leading Sen. Pat Moynihan to wonder, “So now he’s a Catholic, but will he ever be a Christian?”
Sparkles the Iguana @ 103
Moynihan really should be slapped for that.
Loo Hoo. @ 96
Maybe she had work done and then again………
Loo Hoo. @ 53
The internets are never full:
http://speaker.gov/contact/
Or human?
marymccurnin @ 84
brkily, wrote an email to Pelosi last night. (Teddy provided the address and a fine example of his.) Is it cheating to write another?
Marretta @ 97
This is the loophole the American Taliban’s been seeking to take Mitt down. He meets their criteria in every other way, as you listed, and yet his version of the Apocalypse happens in Missouri. They can’t wrap their heads around that, and can’t find a nice way to tell their flock of sheeple that they mustn’t vote for him.
The Marriott p*rn is their gift from the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Mitt was chairman of the Audit Committee on the Board at Marriott for several years; he had to know about the contracts with the pr0n companies, and its profitability was spelled out by BIll Marriott in 2000.
Whatever happened to the Mitt Romney staffer who pulled over a reporter and had previoulsy been cited for having cop lights, scanner and equipment. Now that guy was creepy
Loo Hoo. @ 96
Exceptions must be made for those who frolicked with dinosaurs in the Garden. Perhaps TRex can explain it better.
things come undone @ 111
Giuliani probably hired him.
Hey guys,
while we’re on this God business, I elect people to represent, er, me…not God.
I’m starting to feel a little religiously persecuted by a mindset that says if you don’t agree with us you are Evil. Ouch.
Steve-AR @ 102
Wait. Are you telling me that these men have used organized religion to subjugate women? … I can’t believe it!
(snark off)
Sparkles the Iguana @ 113
Sparkles the Iguana @ 113
Or the fake DA hired him to be one of his fake cops.
GordonM @ 112
TRex is occupied tonight – that Lost World Jurrasic Park movie is on FOX tonight and you know how he loved his on camera time.
When I get married, he better have only one wife ever!
things come undone @ 111
IOKIYAR
SnarKassandra @ 118
I figured it went without saying that you didn’t plan on marrying a Republican politician.
EvilDrPuma @ 120
ummm. NO!!!!!!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 98
EDP: it was a brilliantly researched two-part series. Gotta love PBS. And Joseph Smith’s wife did not go for the multiple thing, which happened after the original vision. She left him before the raids on presses occurred.
TeddySanFran @ 110
He’s also ‘married’ to the occupation in Iraq, that alone sinks his ship ; )
Steve-AR @ 86
That’s hot.
What happened to Giuliani’s Campaign guy with the half Kilo of Coke?
What happened to the McCain Staffer who tried to pay a cop money to let him blow him?
What happened to Robert Licfield the Utah Finance Chair for Mitt Romney 133 plantiffs are charging him with sexual abuse.
How can the Republicans keep talking about making America safe from Terroists when they can’t even protect us from their own Campaign Workers.
OT..Republican pornography:
Crime lab neglected 16,000 cases
Evidence was never analyzed, probe finds
By Andrea Estes, Globe Staff | July 15, 2007
Evidence samples from thousands of crime scenes across Massachusetts, including nearly 1,000 homicides and other deaths and 6,500 sexual assaults, were never analyzed by the State Police crime lab, according to an investigation of the lab ordered by the state…..
The investigation also found 4,000 rape evidence kits from as far back as 1989 that were never even opened to determine whether there was biological evidence that could help prosecutors identify and charge rapists, the officials said. The study, ordered by the state Executive Office of Public Safety in March, was conducted by Vance, an international risk management consulting firm with an office in Braintree. In their 57-page report, scheduled to be released tomorrow , the consultants conclude that the crime lab’s problems, “allowed to fester, led to a crisis which unnecessarily undermined public confidence in a critical law enforcement function.”
The Executive Branch of the Mass. State Gov’t has been Republican from 1991 to 2006. Deval Patrick a Democrat is trying to clean this mess up. (BTW if you haven’t heard Patrick speak, you are missing out.)
Suzanne @ 117
Ah. Well IANAL, so I guess I can sleep easy tonight.
Who is the Rethug NY fake DA? It’s eluding me right now.
I was going to ask, “Why do they call Mitt Baseball Glove?” but then I realized I had just answered my own question.
Cozumel @ 42
Loo Hoo. @ 57
The channel gets changed to ESPN.
Steve-AR @ 126
Why didn’t they analyze it? Not enough money? Or they didn’t care?
do-si-do @ 114
One particular dem candidate is there too. At least it seems to me that I’m at a revival meeting every time I hear this candidate speak.
GordonM @ 127
I think you are safe as long as you are not a tax lawyer, a breed quite tasty to therapods.
‘Southern Baptists’ think Mormonism is a cult. He can kiss them good-bye too ; )
TeddySanFran @ 60
SnarKassandra @ 62
I sure as hell hope that’s not the voice of experience talking. ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 130
Maybe both? Republicans are famous for not funding things they don’t care about. For example, the common good.
SnarKassandra @ 130
I cannot say for certain about this case, but state crime labs are routinely understaffed, underfunded, and overworked. This combination tends to breed unpleasant consequences like this.
neurophius @ 128
Ghouliani.
Well it wasn’t my parents.
SnarKassandra @ 130
Didn’t say, still under investigation. My guess, Republican hypocrisy..”We’re tough on crime but we arne’t going to pay for it. Guess who was the last Mass gov?
Ghouliani was the real DA (or USAttorney, anyway).
I think Arthur Branch is the fake NY DA (Fred Thompson).
But IANAL.
neurophius @ 128
Fred “Jowls” Thompson. He’s not a DA but he plays one on tee vee.
But the repubs have no problem paying for jails.
Cozumel @ 133
BTW, I should know. My soul mate R one! LOL ; )
worried sick @ 23
SnarKassandra @ 62
I believe that after that, you have to pay, the first minutes are free.As far as I remember, the pay per view feature informs you that if you change channels now, there won’t be the automatic bill at the desk.
Since Mitt is running against Massachusetts values, this Crime Lab fuckup will be one more arrow in his quiver.
SnarKassandra @ 142
GOP contributors run the for-profit, private jails.
Suzanne @ 117
NO Late, Late Nite T-Rex? Well Suzanne you had better get busy..it’s you big chance. *g*
SnarKassandra @ 142
Well, they’d rather just pay for execution chambers, but the appeals process kind of gets in their way.
Loo Hoo. @ 137
OK, I thought of that, but Cleter at 27 said,
“Choices ain’t too good for right-wing Iowa theocrats, looking ahead to caucus time. Ball-Glove. Smoldering husk of John Sidney McCain III. Pro-adultery mayor of Babylon-on-the-Hudson. And those seven other little fellers. Sad. Oh, the fake NY DA. There’s always him.” [bold added]
Wouldn’t that guy be Ghouliani?
Evening, everybody, Teddy, good to see you.
Whew, what a lovely day I had. I baked all afternoon. I made fresh cherry muffins and a chocolate cake.
I just thought I’d look in on you guys before I go to bed.
TeddySanFran @ 146
The one my mom is in is still run by the state, but they don’t have any of the services she needs.
SnarKassandra @ 142
They have no problem building jails (money goes to their cronies in the construction business). Maintaining and staffing them is a whole ‘nother matter. And just forget about any kind of programs for the inmates, especially the kind which might actually help them reform, get a decent job. and turn their lives around (that’s just for them bleeding heart libruls).
TRex @ 149
Hiya TRex! Save any cake for us?
So sexual repression seems to lead to greater porn consumption. I wonder what how this corraletes to age at marriage, number of divorces/suicdes/ murder/accidental death (if you can’t get a divorce) (suicide rates went down for married women as a result of no fault divorce) teen pregnantcy rates, abortion rates, rates of use of birth control?
Romney is right in the middle in fundraising.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..ign-money/
SnarKassandra @ 142
But they don’t care if it’s the right person in the cell. Any brown or black will do.
DrDick @ 152
And drug programs and psychologists.
Steve-AR @ 147
Not at all – we have TeddySF, the gifted front pager for Late Late Nite tonight
TRex @ 149
Now, can we please all bow our heads…
OK, so White House Mole Thompson is the fake DA.
That’s what I get for not watching “entertainment” shows on television.
SnarKassandra @ 142
Of course not. Uses taxes to build ‘em. Use taxes to pay Repub friends to run ‘em. It’s what they call “privatization”. Now see, if they didn’t do it this way, why those license plates on your car would cost, oh, couple thousand dollars.
Steve-AR @ 156
Is that true? Would my mom not be in jail if she was light skinned?
TRex @ 149
commercial break?
Was Romney in charge of Massachusetts when this happened? Steve-AR @ 126
I wonder how many innocent Massachusettsians rotted in prison because they weren’t exculpated through DNA evidence that never got processed?
Not that the Rethugs would care…
SnarKassandra @ 157
Those were at the head of the kinds of programs I had in mind, as well as education and job training. It has been demonstrated in several studies that convicts who complete high school or earn college credit and degrees are less likely to return. Same is true for real job training programs (those which give them skills they can use in the real world, as opposed to make work jobs in the prison laundry, etc.).
neurophius @ 160
Don’t feel bad; they are entirely interchangeable as to views and viewpoints, with the notable exception of high-voiced lunatic Ron Paul.
SnarKassandra @ 162
Less time yes! but if she had money for a good lawyer thats even less time, and of course if she worked for Bush thats a get out of jail free card.
TeddySanFran @ 43
… I guess they’re catering to men … *g*
DrDick @ 166
My mom had a college degree before she got there. They have HS at her jail, but not psychologists or drug programs.
TeddySanFran @ 167
Although I’ve never heard of Thompson cross-dressing. But then, who knows?
SnarKassandra @ 162
There is strong statistical evidence that your chances of doing jail time, receiving a longer sentence, and serving a larger portion of that sentence if you are not white (this from the DOJ).
I’m trying to come up with a question for chatzer William The Bloody Kristol that won’t get me banned from the WaPoO site.
Hi TRex!
By the way, apropos Mormons: Salt Lake City has the mayor who rocks (Rocky Anderson), he has been calling for impeachment for a long time. Go figure.
things come undone @ 168
She didn’t have money for a lawyer. She used the one from the county.
Cozumel @ 133
Not so sure I agree. Both religions are illogical and bizarre. They both hate gays. They both want women to be submissive. All Romney has to say it that he thinks Jesus is his savior and he’ll get the southern baptist vote.
SnarKassandra @ 162
I am sorry about your mom…prison time for drugs is another issue..The Mass crime lab is a lot of DNA evidence that could put bad people in prison and perhaps prove that some people in prison don’t belong there.
TeddySanFran @ 173
that’s a tough one, teddy.
TeddySanFran @ 173
I don’t suppose neocons care about pornography…
Suzanne @ 61
Not always true Suz … I tried telling my kids not to eat their veggies … and they didn’t !!! *g*
TeddySanFran @ 173
Please Billy, show on this doll… Where did “reality” touch you?
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Just my two cents, but when the subject is DNA evidence, I’m guessing the “fester” metaphor is a little too close for comfort?
SnarKassandra @ 170
The Scandanvian countries have some real good programs for getting criminals and drug dealers back into society. America especially in the South likes to punish dark skinned types and take away forever their right to vote. Thankfully Illinois was not that way.
TeddySanFran @ 173
“So, Mr. Kristol, I think you can answer this if anyone can…is Schrodinger’s cat dead, or what?”
SnarKassandra @ 176
Oh dear. You’re in Texas, right? They have an absolutely horrid record for providing competent public defenders.
{{{{{Cassie}}}}}
Petrocelli @ 180
That’s because you didn’t word it correctly – telling them they are prohibited from ever eating veggies ever – turned it into the forbidden fruit – a very powerful draw.
mulligatawny @ 174
I hand wrote him a thank you card when he spoke out at the same time Cheney was there rabblerousting. I asked him to get involved in the House. I got a letter back showing his appreciation, too.
SnarKassandra @ 176
Cassie thats like asking to go to jail beg borrow steal if you have too but get a good lawyer. Or move to a differnt state after she gets out the local cops always check up on/hassle recently freed excons.
Petrocelli @ 180
But did you ABSOLUTELY FORBID it?
I just watched Webb v Graham. I had to laugh. For some reason I get Graham confused in my mind with Goode, Virgil I think, the one John Stewart compared to Foghorn Leghorn. So when people were talking about the exchange� today on the threads, in my mind I made the substitute. As soon as the video started I realized my mistake, a foolish one, cause once I thought about it I do know the difference and couldn’t stop laughing. I have to admit, my mental version was a lot more entertaining. Still, to let a guest talk over someone like that for that long is disrespectful as all get out. That’s one of the many reasons I can’t watch Hardball. Jim Webb tells it like it is, though. He seemed like such a grownup compared to Graham, who came off like a petulant teenager who wasn’t getting his way.
things come undone @ 188
I was 11. Nobody asked me. And my brother was just busy keeping me out of foster care. When she leaves, she can’t come live with us anyway.
Funny you should mention Marriott and porn. My wife and I own timeshares with Marriott Vacationclub International, and in the evening as we channel-surf there is usually one station devoted to porn that we didn’t ask for or solicit in any way, shape, or form. Odd, coming from such pillars of the LDS. I suppose they rationalize it by saying that they’re “bleeding the beast,” but I think there is a simpler explanation: they are dirty pervs like the rest of us, whether they care to admit it or not.
TeddySanFran @ 173
Ask him to view Siun’s video from the last thread and report on what he thinks?
Suzanne! i lost my refresh button! do i have to f5 every time?
Gerald Ford post-presidency was taken care of by being put on the board of directors of hundreds of companies.
One was the company that provided special pornography to hotels – normal porn films had been converted by pan-and-scan so that no genitals were displayed.
I don’t recall the name of the company or know whether it still exists and if hotels currently show such edited stuff.
My google-fu to find the name is being overwhelmed by porn sites.
Technicolouryawn @ 192
I’m pretty sure there’s nothing in the Book of Mormon that commands ‘em not to make a buck in any way possible.
Cassie,
Your mom is obviously not entirely typical of the general prison population. She does share a couple of important characteristics with them, however. She was poor (at the time of her arrest) and apparently (from your comment earlier) non-white. The American legal system is heavily staked against the poor and minorities, who are disproportionately represented in the prison population (even when you control for the rate of committing crimes). Unfortunately, the prevailing penal philosophy in this country focuses on punishment rather than rehabilitation. Those in prison have less education and high ratre for substance abuse problems, psychological problems, and learning disabilities, but seldom receive treatment for these problems.
Cass, a hard refresh (F5) one time should fix it. If not, dump your cache, and reload your browser.
SnarKassandra @ 191
A microcosm of why we need to take back our country.
GordonM @ 186
Another group who are chronically underfunded, understaffed, and overworked (especially in the south – including Texas).
SnarKassandra @ 194
No, but you have to wash the dishes. *g*
EvilDrPuma @ 196
The degree of pervertedness and deviance in any religion is directly proportional to how much they discriminate against women.
Time for a book and a bed, kids. Be excellent to each other.
Trying to remember, I think it was over at Talk Left earlier in the week, the results of a study on criminal outcomes in cases involving public defenders and pro bono or court appointed attorneys.
The results were surprising – the clients who had public defenders had better outcomes than the attorneys – shorter sentences, etc.
Night EDP. Hope your summer is going well. It is hot as hell here.
RE: Public defenders:
DrDick @ 200
I believe Texas has tried to defund them completely.
Recall a death sentence where the public defender fell asleep repeatedly in court and basically never mounted a defense. Appeal denied.
TeddySanFran @ 201
Already did!
EvilDrPuma @ 203
Whatcha readin? Sleep well.
Suzanne @ 198
Suz, I’ve seen you say this many times. How does one dump their cache?
Loo Hoo. @ 189
Suz, Loo Hoo … I used those exact words … while scooping ice cream over warm Brownies … I can’t help it, they’re angels !!!
Suzanne @ 204
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/14/2111/18099
Jeralyn wasn’t buying it.
Night EDP. Hope your summer is going well. It is hot as hell here.Suzanne @ 204
Doesn’t really surprise me. To some extent it is a question of you get what you pay for. Many pro bono lawyers are required to provide the service and only do the minimum necessary. It is also the case that many public defenders (though grossly overworked and underpaid) are genuinely dedicated to serving their clients (though it can take a horrific toll on them over time).
Loo Hoo. @ 209
depends on what browser you are using, LooHoo.
MittySmutter ain’t no innocent Walter Mitty
firefox, Suz, is that a browser?
Loo Hoo. @ 209
Go shoppin’, honey !!! *g*
hi punaise!
boxer @ 175
I guess I shouldn’t have made a blanket statement like that. Sure, he might get some, but certainly not all, far from it.
And BTW, the (shrinking) Republican base can’t win a national election anyway now, IMO
Petrocelli @ 216
Smartass!! Brownies and ice cream sounds pretty darn good, Petro!
Petrocelli @ 216
Suzanne how do you dump the cashe..FF on my Mac is starting to act ugly.
firefox is a browser, loohoo, click on tools, options, privacy, check your settings for what you want cleared of your private data, and then clear. after you have tweaked the settings, you can just clear off the tools drop down menu clear private data.
or just turning off the browser and restarting it is another way.
some browsers call it “history” or “footsteps”.
Brownies and ice cream coming soon, but not from me. Time for the grand computer switch. Night y’all!
hey there, TSF! quite the balmy Bay weather ce soir, eh?
OMG Azumanga Daioh and it sounds like Avenue Q! XD
The sad thing about that anime is that it is sooooo wrong and so cute it’s CRACK. Unbelievably funny.
Crack combo with a great entry, Teddy.
*gigglesnorts madly in her chair*
Night Cassie. Enjoy the summer.
Steve-AR @ 211
This is a good point. I’m not sure the comments tonight are entirely accurate. In Harris Co. (Houston), public defenders are part of the defense bar and must have 5 yrs. experience trying cases before they can be lead attorneys. In contrast, if you go to work for the DA, you will try a case on your first day of work. Also, inadequacy of counsel, if it prejudiced someones case, is a huge reason to overturn a conviction and order a new trial.
steve, mac does it different… any mac users out there wannat tell steve how to clear his cache for firefox mac
Loo Hoo. @ 219
Betsy will be along soon … and she promised me lots of Blueberry Pie … but first some Brownies with homemade Vanilla ice cream …slurp …
Suzanne @ 227
It is called “clear private data” and you have to click CACHE and unclick the other stuff.
Thanks, Suz. Wrote it down. I’m not having problems, but just always wondered what I would do if you suggested I clear my cache!
I totally know how to clear my cash, if I were so inclined!
Suzanne @ 227
Did tools..clear cashe..I see if it works..DWT has been locking up FF for the past two days.
Ice cream. Good idea. I just did a 6 hour DJ shift. I’m quite ready to let my brain melt. But wow was it fun. Work tommorrow and i’lm not quite ready to sleep yet.
Suzanne @ 204
That’s because public defenders know what they’re doing, which can’t always be said of appointed counsel under mandatory-pro-bono programs like the one in New Jersey.
When I was a second-year associate at a firm in Newark (while I was going to NYU for my LL.M. in tax), I got appointed to represent a woman who had just been released from prison in her attempt to get back custody of her kids. The first time I met with her, she couldn’t keep her eyes open for more than 30 seconds at a time; given my sheltered suburban upbringing, I couldn’t be sure, but my assumption was that she had managed to get back onto heroin in the two weeks she had been back on the street.
I had no idea how to handle a case like that. None whatsoever. None of the litigation partners at the firm were any help. So I winged it as best I could. She didn’t get her kids back. It didn’t help that she didn’t bother to show up for the hearing, but the attorney for the state Division of Youth and Family Services ate me for lunch. Which I suspect is a fairly typical outcome in such cases.
SnarKassandra @ 222
Nighters, Cassie!
aliasofwestgate @ 224
Given Christy’s love of the children’s anime, I’m sure she’ll dock my pay if she actually listens to it in the a.m. Isn’t it quite sinful?
thanks, cassie – sleep well
SnarKassandra @ 130
I read years ago that some labs got caught doing “sink tests.” In other words, they pour the sample of blood, or whatever, down the sink and just guess at a result.
I think it’s pressure to do X number of tests per minute or something, which leads to burn out and then not enough people on staff. So that’s more pressure. But I didn’t know it was still going on.
Azumanga Daioh
Is that anything like Inna Godda da Vida?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuQUh-DGTPk
TeddySanFran @ 235
Azumanga Daioh is and isn’t a kids anime. *grins* There’s a lot of injokes that the kids wouldn’t know, but there’s quite a few the adults would get. But it’s hilarious in any language. My best friend can sing the cooking song of the littlest girl word for word. *laughs* What an earworm that is.
Suzanne @ 187
That worked for two of my three, the girls did eat their veggies, my son however, is a whole different ballgame!!! Stubborn cuss!!! *g*
Good evening dear friends. This is for petro and anyone he chooses to share it with.
CT – my experience was female based – only had girls.
Where did every one go? I am sitting hear waiting for my car battery to charge. Need more comments.
Steve-AR @ 243
Eat your pie and be patient.
aliasofwestgate @ 231
Hey, Alias, I noticed you said your birthday was Aug. 26th, mine is the 27th!!!
steve, i think everyone is doing the refresh trying to catch the zed when late late nite posts – usually happens around this hour…
those that are not trying to catch the zed are face deep into that blueberry pie with icecream tex link
Suzanne @ 242
It appears women like the forbidden fruit…!!! *g*
I had to go let the dog out.
CTuttle @ 247
nah! only the forbidden veggie
Speaking of forbidden veggies, I think I will take one last cold shower and head to bed. Take care and enjoy the snark.
TexB @ 249
Tell that to Eve… Evening, Ma’am!!!
Suzanne @ 246
It never worked for me. My six or so have always been random luck. I am now going for third!
DrDick @ 250
Sleep well my friend.
g’nite dr (pause) dick. hopes for cool sleeping
aliasofwestgate @ 231
What kind of a DJ? TRex does a classical music show. I always told my dad he should do one, he knows everything about every genre of music. He plays golf instead!
aliasofwestgate @ 232
… waves to aliasofwestgate …
How’s it goin’, eh?
neurophius @ 248
is that anything like going to see a man about a dog?
I think pie helped. Battery now at 63% charge.
aliasofwestgate @ 231
Here’s a song I bet you know. I think this is so pretty.
“Adieu”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrAccXtyFGo
CTuttle. A cusp Virgo too, eh? *grins*
Loo Hoo, I play a bit in the classical genre because that’s our foundation music. But my favorite is techno, particularly mixtures of classical music and heavy trance or dance beats. I also dabble in jrock circles because some of the music out of japan is downright stunning. *grins*
Heya Petro!
Maybe the Mittster should claim that the Mariott board brainwashed him into approving of pornography, the way the Department of Defense did to his Daddy over the Vietnam War…
Oh, I guess that didn’t work out too well for George…
TexB @ 241
Hope you’re sharing, Petrocelli. That looks like the ticket!
CTuttle @ 245
Mine is also the 27th! (along with Ed Geen and Mother Theresa)
punaise @ 257
Actually, I did pick up a cold refreshment while I was on my feet…
TexB @ 241
sniff sniff … it’s just so bee-you-tee-ful (moment of silence for the great, Jackie Gleason)
… dives in face first … smack, slurp … mmm mmmmm … Thanks, Betsy !!!
Suzanne @ 254
Why the pause, Suz?
DrDick @ 250
Good night! Stay cool.
LooHoo, old joke – about the tv show Cybill and the character MaryAnne’s way of saying her ex-husband’s name, Dr. (pause) Dick.
Loo Hoo. @ 262
Wrowr ??? I just heard “This is for Petro !!!” … *g*
Stumbled upon a very interesting article by Fineman tonight — written in Dec. 2005. It’s pertinent in view of our discussion of the Moyers show and impeachment. It’s like he had a crystal ball.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 264
Aint it cool to share it with Mother Teresa!!! *g*
oops, sorry … forgot to provide the Fineman link re impeachment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561966/
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 263
Sounds like:
http://z.about.com/d/parenting…..ite3up.jpg
Loo Hoo. @ 274
C’mon now, I’m not TRex, I don’t celebrate until the day has come!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 271
Boy … talk about irony !!! *g*
Petrocelli @ 276
Watch it Big Guy, I might have to set up a tent for ya on the beach!!! :P
Well, CTuttle, I was just thinking of planning in advance!
new threadiness
Fresh Teddy upstairs
CTuttle @ 276
Please do so … for me an’ my rastafarii posse … *g*
About board directors not reading reports: very very common. Figurehead board directors are a dime a dozen; Enron (former employer) had one, as did a little company I worked at.
Most hotel use is business travel, and having no pr0n saves quite a bit of embarrassment on all sides. No special moral stand there.
As to Mormons and business. There is a grocery store chain called Albertsons, started by some Mormon businessmen. Of course, they could not possibly sell alcohol, but on the other hand, there was potfuls of money going to waste. And so, Albertsons made a deal with a non-Mormon business, Ernie’s Liquors. Ernie’s paid for the exclusive right to place an Ernie’s next to every Albertsons. Win/win, as they say. It was started by Mormons a long time ago, and they no longer own it. The Ernie’s Liquor deal is I’m sure off at this point, there are still a lot of Albertson’s/Ernie’s strip malls. And Albertsons is having trouble, so there are Ernie’s sitting next to Chinese markets in my zone of the US.
As a Mormon in the last century, I was always appalled that Marriott had casinos in their hotels. See, a good Mormon couldn’t get a temple recommend (a strict confessional requirement to enter the holiest and most sacred Mormon sites and partake in the rituals) while working in the pits at a casino. But Bill Marriott and J Willard Marriott could rake in millions and millions by owning hotels that “leased” space to casinos. Of course, the Utah base would have been mighty upset about that — so the only hotels with casinos were in Cairo and Warsaw. The senior Marriott executives were primarily family members and Mormons and ‘fer sure’ had their temple passes. But some poor schmuck who worked in the pits would have to give up their livelihood to join the most faithful in the Temple’s Celestial Room. But today’s Jesus loves the money changers and hates the sinner.
Marriott now gets around this “ethical” problem by selling off all of their properties. Now Marriott is just a brand and a reservation network. Everything is franchised. This is how they get around the JW Marriott Resort and C*s*no in that heart of Mormon Country known as Las Vegas!! (Sin City is about 25% Mormon, and was originally a Mormon settlement.)
So a little bit of lady luck, a little bit of porn, and you have 8% franchise fees rolling in. Yee hah!!
(Personally, gambling and porn do not bother me. It is the hypocrisy.)
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dead last @ 283
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Hi, spiderpaws…I was late for the birthday discourse last night. You wouldn’t happen to have any thoughts on Oct. 25 as a natal day, would you? Past year has been unimaginably crazy, for me, and I’d appreciate any guidance.
Thanks!
Further review of Mitt’s practices at Bain could be interesting. He made a lot of money from GNC, that ubiquitous storefront purveyor of questionable herbal remedies. The huge boom in ephedra consumption in weight-loss pills in the 90s was one of his biggest scores – said pills now being illegal due to, er, killing people. Any journalists care to look into this??
I thought not.
What I’d like to know is, what is their definition of porn? A woman dressed in something sexier than a Mother Hubbard? Even though Christians have never insisted on something as concealing as a burqa, they’ve been blue-nosed enough that I have to worry when they start using the P word.
“Pornography and violence poison our music and movies and TV and video games,” Romney said May 5 during a commencement address at Regent University, the evangelical Christian school run by Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson.
“The Virginia Tech shooter, like the Columbine shooters before him, had drunk from this cesspool.”
- Mitt, the US Army is sponsoring an online game tournament featuring one of the most violent video games ever… why do you hate the troops?
I’ll just take this opportunity to point out that Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart didn’t say that he “knew pornography when he saw it,” this is a common (and I believe deliberate) mistake made by conservative commentators.
Stewart actually said that he “knew obscenity” when he saw it… drawing a line between acceptible pornography and obscenity.
Conservatives would like to imply, for their partisan purposes, that all pornography was unacceptible to Stewart in this famous case.
I know I’m way the hell in EPU land but the Theocrats in our country don’t believe you have to do anything about immorality. You just have to be sorry and say your against it.
Instead of this cleanhotels.com, is there a website where they have hotels that only have GOOD porn? Sick of throwing my money away at bad stuff.