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The meaning of life, kids, is the following::::
You all alone Loo Hoo?
Let downstairs know, LooHoo and don’t forget the link :)
Nicely done, LooHoo
Crazy white people.
The meaning? You’re never too old or too stoned to learn the chicken dance.
Oh. My. God. The chicken dance. It was a staple at Chicago area weddings (and much dreaded by many).
Weddings are not weddings without The Chicken Dance.
They all know now, and have the kink- ah,link.
Curiously, punaise was just asking…
punaise View this users Facebook profile says:
July 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
I used to have a life, pre-FDL
persiflage @ 2
Hope not!
This is the meaning of life.
“The Meaning of Life”
You tell me and we’ll both know! ; ) LOL
I won’t hold my breath ; )
bawac Bawac BAWAC!!!!!!
scratch
scratch
scratch
BAWAC!
Suzanne @ 8
Crazy straight people.
Why not the Weather Girls?
DrDick @ 7
Especially in the suburbs IIRC.
Suzanne @ 8
I don’t know about that. I have had several and no chicken dance. Maybe that was the problem.
and I’ll stand in for EvilDrPuma also: what kind of fuckery is this?
I thought we were going to get Monty Python singing look on the bright side of life (whistles)…
Chicken Dance! Maybe our Commander Guy is doing this right now with Iran Guy on the teevee :o
Steve-AR @ 16
Ohhhh! Hmm. Didn’t consider that.
Loo Hoo. @ 10
Nah, you looked a bit lonely for a minute there, as your comment echoed around the empty room. I should have realised they were all busy chicken dancing ….
Is the chicken dance anything like the gator?
TexB @ 11
TexB! Thanks! You do spoil us.
Felix Moronia @ 17
you sounded just like him – nicely done
Steve-AR @ 16
That may have been my problem as well.
marymccurnin @ 21
chicken stays vertical
gator horizontal
Sigh. I’ll miss posting teh silly.
marymccurnin @ 13
My early morning is almost the same as yourse, but I read my horoscope and some oped cartoons before I do Huff then jump here.
And…it IS Saturday Night. Wanna do the chicken dance with moi?
Bill Moyers Rocks!!!
I have been known to do the gator after tequila shots. In my yout.
Pachacutec @ 26
You’re still in the bullpen though?
demi @ 27
My early morning is almost the same as yourse, but I read my horoscope and some oped cartoons before I do Huff then jump here.
And…it IS Saturday Night. Wanna do the chicken dance with moi?
I wanna do the gator with ya!
do-si-do @ 25
Didn’t Anges de Mille choreograph a chicken dance for OKLAHOMA? Any dance historians on LLNite tonight?
marymccurnin @ 29
In my yout? Are you from Brooklyn?
Is this post really appropriate for this blog? ; )
TexB @ 30
Yep.
marymccurnin @ 29
Mostly I just do the technicolor yawn after tequila shots. (In my yout). ;~)
I have been known to dance on a bar top after tequilla shots (my dayam sister refuses to get rid of the pictures). In a different state. Back when I was young (sigh).
Cujo359 @ 33
New Orleans. But there were parts of town where folks spoke that way.
Suzanne @ 37
I think that is called insurance.
Mare,
but the gator’s horizontal.
and you don’t know me.
So, what kind of tequilla?
I had to do the Chicken Dance as an audition for my job at the Shiner distributorship here in Austin.
DrDick @ 39
That is not the term she uses.
DrDick @ 24
OT..How is the weather in Montana? I really need a road trip and can’t decide West or East. I was thinking of visiting the ex-cat in Jackson and then heading north toward Glacier. The traffic around Jackson will be bad how is Montana?
Suzanne @ 37
Suz, I think most everyone does tequilla too hard once. And we quit. Others did tequilla the right way and enjoy it for a long time.
I want to see the pics your sister took!!!
wangdangdoodle @ 41
Hey there! Good to see you around again!
demi @ 40
The cheap stuff usually. But I have a friend once who was writing a book about the evil liquid and had a worldwide collection. The night he broke out his stash is a night I don’t remember.
wangdangdoodle @ 41
worth it?
Oy! No one’s paying attention to my Weather Girls comment upthread. That may very well be the gayest video evah.
But then, it’s probably not appropriate for. ..
Well, you know.
DrDick – I did the Chicken Dance for the first time ever last weekend in Illinois.
There was one other odd one I did, sort of. Anyone know it -
Clap your hands everybody
Slide to the left
Take it back now yal
One hop this time
Right foot lets stomp
Left foot lets stomp
Cha Cha now yal !
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wangdangdoodle @ 41
WAIT. STOP. IMPOSSIBLE.
You had to do the chicken dance as part of your job interview? Has the earth stopped revolving around the sun?
TexB @ 45
Howdy, Betsy! Been quite the CTFP contingent here tonight.
I have done the “freak”, the “hustle”, the “electric slide”, and the “time warp”.
But I have never done the “chicken dance”
FDL has made me realize that I lead a very sheltered life.
Steve-AR @ 43
Quite frankly, the weather here sucks right now. It was over 100 today and is predicted to be so for the next week. We are on track to set a new record for the most consecutive days over 90 (already have had 13 straight). On the other hand, if you want to see Glacier, do it now, because we are setting up for a hellacious fire season. Nothing much as yet (one moderate fire in the Bob Marshall Wilderness), but with this heat and no rain, the forests are like flash paper right now.
Tequila is the sneakiest drink in the world. You have one, feel good; two, you feel good; three and, just as you’re wondering what all the fuss is about, you decide to go to the little drinkers room and find, as you crash to the ground, that your legs no longer work. Sneaky, sneaky alcohol.
Muzzy @ 49
Good lord, I hear it every afternoon on Radio Disney. cha cha
Ya’ll haven’t lived until you have seen a room of drunk cops doing the Chicken Dance at the end of the Officer Appreciation Dinner.
Makes it kinda hard to look some of em in the eye the next day without bursting out laughin.
Is the gator anything like the “horizontal bop”?
Been know to…
Goodnight, gang!
The interviiew was at the Wurst Fest in New Braunfels. Perfectly understandable for working at a beer distributor. Worked there 11.5 years, totally worth it. Would like to learn the cha-cha, though.
Hate to get serious in the middle of the party but what to folks think about the Lugar-Warner amendment? This smells like a very dangerous trap to me.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 52
too cool for school…yep it takes real cajones to do the chicken dance anywhere.
Macarena anyone?
do-si-do @ 55
Are you sure that isn’t the goofy dance?
persiflage @ 54
**
Yup, that’s me – one tequilla, two tequilla, three tequilla – FLOOR!
Sleep well Pach.
Night Pach. Rest well in the knowledge that you are always appreciated here.
Evil PU’d
Lieberman Lays the Groundwork For Another War
by RJ Eskow
This week Joe Lieberman reprised a role he played so well in 2002. He paved the way for another needless and tragic war by outmaneuvering his Democratic colleagues on the Senate floor. This time he forced them to pass an amendment that seems reasonable on the surface, but which lays the groundwork a a new attack that could turn pro-Western Iranians into anti-American terrorists. It passed just as a new poll confirms that the Iranian leadership’s policies are wildly unpopular with their own people.
…
The amendment sounds reasonable enough on its face. (Text is here.) It asks for bimonthly reports from the military regarding “external support or direction provided to anti-coalition forces by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran or its agents … the strategy and ambitions in Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran; and …. any counter-strategy or efforts by the United States Government to counter the activities of agents of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Iraq.”
…
It passed on the floor 97-0..
So what does this mean when an Iranian citizen is involved in an attack on our troops? How do we separate the non-government actions from the government actions? If Iran is growing distasteful of its leadership (and becoming more pro-western), why put their stability into question? Why force the elements which are gaining majority to debate over ‘the threat from america’ with the rabid islamo-fascist freak elements of the Ayatollah?
This makes no fucking sense. Even if you wanted to say Joe is ‘an agent of Israel’ , a pro-western Iran would be MORE peaceful to Israel. Why? Mahutmadeggon (however you wanna spell that guys name) is a damn sabre-rattler. His threats to stability, threats of nuclear proliferation, and threats to Israel are making the entire Middle East even more aflame.
And Iranians know this. Poll after poll, he slips. But every time he slips in the polls, America, or Israel, or even Iran’s leader, will start rattling sabres and this causes the citizens in all three countries to become hostile.
What Lieberman is setting up is another threat to peace.
realworld @ 60
Oh hell, just have a shot of tequila and join the table and have a shot of tequila…
do-si-do @ 61
I used to do the macarena! Also the hustle, but in a previous life.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 63
Ha!
Goodnight to you Pachacutec – onward & upward great spirit!
Pachacutec @ 58
Hey we’re here drinkin and dancin and what, you have to work tomorrow morning or something? Did someone toss cookies in the john? what?
DrDick @ 53
Sounds like fishing will be bad with those temps. The Trout must be having a bad time. It might be worth seeing the Glaciers on last time before they melt. Is the Sun Road open?
Good Night, Pach.
And what have you got me into tonight?
I’m talking tequlla and gator with Mary and I’m well,
going to say goodnight to everyone here and go finish my Message for tomorrow morning.
Peace, people and thanks again for the lifting up.
G’night Pach..we’ll try to keep it down in here *s*
re: tequilla – Zapopan’s good, and not that expensive.
Watch out for the Mezcal. That shit’ll fuck you UP.
Night cap! Demi.
marymccurnin @ 62
Oh god am I sure. I can hear the synthesized percussion as I type. The goofy dance would be a welcome change. I make up my own in the car much to my kids everlasting shame. kar kareoke!
demi @ 73
Night, Sweetheart.
realworld @ 60
It politely asks the Preznit if he would please start to consider developing a plan to start thinking about a way to organize the troops to begin to perhaps bring them home.
And would he please start to think about this by 12/31/07. And let the Senate know if he’s come up with a plan by then.
Yeah — it sux. It’s the honeypot the GOP needs to tell low-information voters they voted to “end the War.” And if any Dems (besides the Nelsons and Landrieu) vote for it, the GOP will call it bipartisan. Of course, Nebraska Nelson crossed party lines to vote to continue to fund Cheney’s office last week, so he’s pretty hopeless.
Steve-AR @ 72
Fishing also sucks right now. They have closed the Clark Fork, Bitterroot, and several other rivers to fishing between 2pm-midnight because of heat stress on the fish. There are also stage one fire restrictions in the forests around here. Going to the Sun Road is wide open and you might want to hurry to see the glaciers. With this heat, they may not last long. Damn, if I had wanted weather like this, I would have stayed in Oklahoma.
marymccurnin @ 21
Not even remotely. For one thing, it is possible to do the chicken dance without being thoroughly inebriated (although it certainly helps).
*cough*
Since the theme has become Crazy White People, I give you Karl Rove’s Guru !!!
Night night demi!
newspaperbrat @ 70
double down on that one. Don’t be a stranger, Pach!
wangdangdoodle @ 75
Especially the Oaxacan Black Bottle Mescal.
Nitie night, Loo. I’d love to meet you for lunch before you get back to work. Maybe we can find something in the middle.
Cozumel @ 34
If Cassie’s not here, all bets are off.
Petrocelli @ 82
Sorry, Try That Again !!!
Night Demi. Good luck tomorrow.
Spare yourself, do-si -do, but, yep this is the cha-cha slide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbMLOr0tHU
I won’t sleep now.
Last night I was so stoked by the Bill Moyers impeachment discussion. Tonight I am befuddled and angry over the wiener dems.
What do you call your act?
The Democrats.
Muzzy @ 49
My son’s g/f talked me into doing this one night at the teen club.
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGUDMKpwj8
Petrocelli @ 88
Drat …Third time’s a Charm !!!
OK, I’m effed up on tequila now so here goes:
I think lie-man is probably the more scarier than Lugar-warner, if I have to choose. Lieman is setting the table for petraeus to say Iran is in it now.
did you all know that they are sending navy on ground assignments now because commander guy is running out of soldiers? insane.
Petrocelli @ 82
Pach dear – linky no worky.
Why does Lieman have a hard on for death?
persiflage @ 54
the Brits have a word for that: legless, as in i was …..
I have never done the gator, the chicken dance, or the macarena. I have never made the devil horns at a concert. I did do the wave once at a sporting event and was disappointed. I faked interest in the bus stop and the hustle in the late 70’s only because all the babes were at the disco and I had no other choice. I grew a pathetic mustache for the same reason. I once wore a cowboy hat and boots to a bar during the Urban Cowboy craze, but I lived in Oklahoma then and nobody noticed.
Muzzy @ 90
how low can you go?
can you go down low
all the way to the flo’
how low can you go?
di-dink dink…
I can’t sleep either, that’s why I’m here argggh getting drunk with youse guys!
newspaperbrat @ 95
Hey NPB … try this link – Rove’s Dancing Guru !!!
DrDick @ 89
Thanks Doc. I think I won’t mention the gator stuff.
And, stay cool if you can.
marymccurnin @ 97
Marrrry, you gettin all vitup, vit, I mean vituperous, there, when you the tequila shoot.
Suzanne @ 37
Have we met?
do-si-do @ 99
Eureka Springs @ 103
Were you in Tuscon?
demi @ 101
Suzanne @ 106
I don’t recall. *g*
Suzanne @ 37
That was you???
That cha cha video is filmed in Chicago. Something about Chi-town and these peculiar dance phenomena?
All I know is that the only functional part of the dance for me was during the brief cha cha bits when I let my ricky ricardo impersonation fly. I didn’t even know I had it.
.
I gotta go to bed. Greenwarrior is in town for classes and we are taking an early walk tomorrow on the American River.
Night Mary. Enjoy your walk.
OK, I’m doing the bedtime limbo now.
I leave you with my theme song:
I heart Eric Idle
‘night Mary, sleep loose.
Night do-si-do.
In my younger days – got off work Thursday 5pm, drove home, grabbed the suitcase (already packed) and a full thermos of coffee and hit the road. Drove from the Bay Area to Tuscon, pulling in around 7 am. Woke up that afternoon, went to a law enforcement rodeo, then we celebrated my birthday at some funky Tuscon club. After that it gets fuzzy. Real fuzzy. Something about checking out all the Wrangler butts (Tuscon had some fine looking eye candy walking around in cowboy boots) parading by in between people buying me shots.
Notice house Do-si-Do said ‘youse guys’
Suzanne @ 115
Wrangler butts with back pocket Copenhagen rings? Yee-haw!
cancer_cures @ 116
Hmmm. And you make fun of us for saying “y’all”. It is obvious that English is in desperate need of a proper second person plural.
marymccurnin @ 110
g’nite and best wishes for a wonderful walk
Petrocelli @ 100
Tsk, Tsk!!! Three times for the Linky, Petro??? :P
okay, back to this chicken dance thing…had to ask mr paws who just happens to be here and he says he hasn’t played it in almost ten years then proceeded to sing it for me ; (
Wow.
The NYT is reporting that the LA Archdiocese has reached a global settlement of all of the outstanding priest-sexual-abuse cases. $600 million.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..se.html?hp
As a former altar boy, this whole thing has just made me want to vomit on the steps of the cathedral. Glad it’s over — at least the temporal part of it. What God has in store for these people … I’m sure I don’t want to know.
DrDick @ 118
All y’all?
hey spidey
cancer_cures @ 116
we can’t all say y’all ya know
Just wanted to mention that those of you in Tejas here tonight reminded me of the gathering I had with others from there passing through Portland two nights ago on their bicycles.
The Texas 4000 is a 2 1/2 month bike ride from Austin to Anchorage (!) to raise money for cancer research. They raised over 200k for this year’s ride and have raised over 750k over the last four.
We TexasExes here in Portland fed the female and male riders well and put them up for the night. They don’t eat, they feed as they say. Just fuel for the next day’s 80 or so miles. They were sportin some impressive tan lines for a good cause.
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spiderpaws @ 121
I certainly pity you, Spiderpaws!!! 8-)
…I remember those bar dancing days, it only took two beers for me…ahem
Well, the temps have finally dropped back down to the 70s, so I think I will join the exodus and head for bed. Take care and enjoy the snark. And whatever you do, DON’T do the chicken dance.
DrDick @ 129
Sleep well Dr D
DrDick @ 129
Nite, DD!!!
CTuttle @ 127
I never realized the Chicken Dance had lyrics! I had to google it…
Do you wanna feel good,
wanna laugh and play? (let’s laugh and play)
Wanna have some fun,
throw your blues away? (your blues away)
Are you feelin’ sad?
Got a problem? – Here’s the cure (we got the cure.)
Do the chicken dance;
make you happy for sure.
Reach out your arms and swing your partner.
Make like a bird and try to fly.
Come on out there you hens and roosters.
Just hook your arms now, and don’t be shy.
Hey you’re in the swing
You’re cluckin’ like a bird. (Pluck, pluck, pluck, pluck.)
You’re flappin’ your wings.
Don’t you feel absurd. (No, no, no, no.)
It’s a chicken dance,
like a rooster and a hen. (Ya, ya, ya, ya.)
Flappy chicken dance;
let’s do it again.
Relax and let the music move you.
Let all your inhibitions go.
Just watch your partner whirl around you.
We’re havin’ fun now; I told you so.
Now you’re flappin’ like a bird
and you’re wigglin’ too. (I like that move.)
You’re without a care.
It’s a dance for you. (Just made for you.)
Keep doin’ what you do.
Don’t you cop out now. (Don’t cop out now.)
Gets better as you dance;
Catch your breath somehow.
Reach out your arms and swing your partner.
Make like a bird and try to fly.
Come on out there you hens and roosters.
Just hook your arms now, and don’t be shy.
Now we’re almost through,
really flying high (bye, bye, bye, bye.)
All you chickens and birds,
time to say goodbye (to say goodbye.)
Goin’ back to the nest,
but the flyin’ was fun (oh it was fun.)
Chicken dance is the best,
but the dance is done.
g’nite dr (pause) dick – sleep well
do-si-do @ 112
one of the best songs and best movie endings ever ……
Petrocelli @ 93
Dang, that was HOT HOT HOT!
By the way, my better half realized why I so emphatically requested that she view the Bill Moyers Journal from last nite! I was vindicated!!! *g*
Hi everyone, I don’t stay up late often, more of a lark, myself.
You were all having so much fun I waited to post a little about the Tillmans. I watched the hearing again and blogged some of it this morning.
Can’t shake it.
CTuttle @ 120
Too many Tequila shots, apparently !!! *g*
Also, no “edit comments” button tonight … Que Sera Sera …
…let me get out my ‘lil axe and finish off this chcken
Boston1775 @ 137
linky?
spiderpaws @ 121
Did he pull out an Accordion too ?!! *g*
CTuttle @ 136
WOO-HOO!! Do the Chicken Dance of Victory!
spiderpaws @ 128
Go On !!!
… resting chin on hands … *g*
spiderpaws @ 139
I’ll ready the pot, with the veggies all set to go!!!
Suzanne, it’s at the bottom of TRex, starting at 300. I was hoping that people would see how extraordinary his mom and brother are.
CTuttle @ 144
o-noooooooo mr. bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 135
Glad you enjoyed the ride down memory lane, Loo Hoo …
How do I do a link?
Just posted a story that Alfred alerted me to. TRex, if you’re around, this is the type you may want to follow up on.
http://thebetsyblog-betsy.blogspot.com/
sorry, boston, i thought you had a blog and had blogged on the subject – not a comment here at the lake. If you want to do a link from an old thread, you use the quote this comment button from that comment which will load the comment into the old thread’s submit comment box. Then cut and paste the old comment into the new thread’s submit comment box.
spiderpaws @ 139
gah. one of those farm girl childhood memories … I know exactly what is meant by that expression “running around like a chicken with its head cut off.”
Suzanne @ 115
i was sitting in a bar on College Hill in Cedar Falls, Ia. some years back. Next to me was a college prof I knew. We were having some beers and he decided to hit on a young woman sitting next to him. He tried the really lame line “So what are you majoring in?” She looked him right in the eye and said “Cowboys and country music….”
Ever been to Iowa?
Well, it’s many comments. I basically highlighted the four hour hearing.
CTuttle @ 136
Seeing IS believing – mrbrat could hardly believe his eyes or ears. I keep flashing back on Bill Moyer’s astonishment and the renewed hope in his eyes. Impeachment Sooner Than Later!
Here is a dumb question: Could Nancy Pelosi appoint the honorable Al Gore VP for the short term?
newspaperbrat @ 154
Oooo … what a delicious thought …
(bold mine)
fahrender @ 152
Zer Gute!!! 8-)
…and it was at the Garden of Earthly Delights on Potrero Hill in 19–. There were Sons of Hawaii bikers there along with the usual Hells Angels who took a pot shot thru the window when they left and we all ducked under the tables. I was the first one up on the bar doing a jig…in the end, the owner, who was also drunk, threw us all out and closed early (3:30 AM) We moved on to the Ribitald Vorden on Bernal Hill where the owner, a Secilian kept a gun under the bar.
Boston1775 @ 137
when that young special forces guy was testifying for the committee i kept watching the officers sitting behind him trying to read their body language. i’m not an expert on that sort of thing but it made me wonder where they stood on this whole sordid affair ……
Posted an update of The Surge is working NOT on my blog. Get ready to debunk the coming lies.
Not been to Iowa but I got kin all over the midwest. Heck, my mom is the oldest of 11 and my dad was the middle of 11 kids. There are very few states I don’t have kin in.
fahrender @ 158
Can I get you to write that sentence again?
Boston1775 @ 148
put your left click in
your left click out
your left click in
and shake it all about.
You do the hinky linky
And turn yourself around.
That’s what it’s all about.
newspaperbrat @ 154
For two diametrically opposed individuals like Nichols and Fein, they were a perfect one, two tandem, it was magical in the way they fed off each other’s remarks and contributed further insights into why we need to impeach Bush/Cheney NOW!!! *g*
*poof*
Al The Spook Materializes from the Ectoplasmic Continuum (FTL space)
Hey, firepups, finally back in the material world. dad and i have survived and apparently will prosper assuming chimpy’s stormtroopers don’t come for us first.
Thanks so much for all the kind messages, thoughts, and wishes. we might not have made it without them!
So, how is everyone? what foolishness has chimpy and company done today? (see TexB’s blog (dammit can’t find linky) for a good example of the true morality of the modern arch conservative…)
We had an interesting neighbor when I was about five years old. I will never forget her. She would grab a chicken, step on it’s head, and pull the body away. The beheaded chicken would run around the yard for what seemed like forever.
Then she would invite the neighborhood kids to come over to pluck feathers…
I avoided this neighbor and her kids…
fahrender @ 158
Tillman’s brother?
Loo Hoo. @ 163
why?
ack… the hinky linky
fahrender,
These people are doing something extraordinary. What blew me away was Issa. He came on to them like he was prosecuting them. Kevin Tillman knew it and held his own.
Kevin Tillman’s opening statement was incredible.
And his mom, she went after Rumsfeld. Amazing.
punaise @ 162
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!
hinky linky, boston, just try it
punaise @ 162
*Groan*
punaise @ 162
Now that is the first dance all night that I can do! Thanks Punaise!
Boston1775 @ 161
Are you egging me on ….?
Loo Hoo. @ 165
Coulda been worse … you coulda been Alice Cooper’s neighbor !!! *g*
TexB – in he second part of the hearing, young soldiers testified. One was with Pat when he was killed. Another was used to read the false silver star story of his death at a highly publicized memorial service.
TexB @ 173
Nooo, Don’t encourage Punaise!!! ;-)
Petrocelli @ 175
or Ann Coulters……
Loo Hoo. @ 163
we just tied their feet to the clothes line so we didn’t get that bizarre aftermath.
Petrocelli @ 175
Or Ozzie’s!!!
Let’s hope PETA doesn’t read these comments
spiderpaws @ 181
LOL!!!
fahrender @ 174
Probably just being plucky.
TexB @ 166
no, it was a guy that was actually with Pat when he was killed. he was called upon to type a statement on a computer. he was then dismissed and not even allowed to proof read what he had typed! he was being queried by a congressman from Iowa (Braley?) who was astonished at his testimony. this guy’s statement was evidently altered by someone. it is customary for such statements to be signed by the writer. it wasn’t done in this case.
fahrender @ 158
Is this the hearing you refer to?
Speaking of the remarkable Bill Moyers, CSpan is broadcasting his remarks at Lady Bird’s service today.
CTuttle @ 180
You guys are all lightweights. What if my neighbor doing chickens was…………….Dick Cheney!?
Oh, wrong neighborhood.
CTuttle @ 180
Did Ozzie bite the Chickens’ heads off, onstage? I thought it was Alice …
fahrender @ 184
He was a fellow Ranger, not SF, there is a big difference, trust me, as an Army Vet I would not make that mistake!
Loo Hoo. @ 187
Cheney would be the worst neighbor evvuh … I’ve never heard of a victim apologizing for being shot by someone …
Are tequila and peyote related?
oy vey…enough with the chickens already…this is what happens when guys don’t have dates on saturday ight
Are you egging me on ….?
Probably just being plucky.
punaise yolks are the best
Boston1775 @ 169
Absolutely. Kevin and Mrs. Tillman are heroes. Pat would be immensely proud of them, I’m sure of it.
CTuttle @ 189
*cough* … is one of them in a more … um … forward position … *g*
Petrocelli @ 188
Ozzie bite a bat’s head off, yet, the bat got the last laugh, Ozzie got rabies from it!!!
Tequilla is related to the mescal plant as in mescaline and peyote is..well…a mushroom…a very wonderful mushroom.
wangdangdoodle @ 191
From Wiki:
Peyote.
Tequilla.
Suzanne @ 193
They always come first with me.
spiderpaws @ 192
707!
Petrocelli @ 175
Marilyn Manson is the one that creeps me out ……
I went back to the hearing after the following
Good morning everyone – Hunter S. Thompson must really hate being dead right now.
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Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 3:55 am
I watched Pat Tillman’s mom and brother appear before a congressional committee asking for help uncovering what happened to Pat. If you missed that hearing you MUST see it. This mother and brother were duped by the most duplicitous people in this administration.
They came to their home and allowed this family to believe that Pat was killed in a false heroic manner. Except… except that Pat’s brother was an hour away from the place Pat died.
Something was wrong. And the hearing tells you all you can handle. Strong brave people, those two.
And to add insult to injury, Jessica Lynch is sitting right beside them, waiting to tell her story. You see, even though LIES were told continually about her, she was not allowed to speak. Being in the army, you know.
Here’s the link to the hearing in April. There is another one coming up in August.
The White House is preventing Waxman from getting information for these families. I’m sure you know by not that Mr. Fielding has written another letter.
Executive Privilege: priceless.
Petrocelli @ 195
sorry ’bout that. i’m pretty ignorant about those classifications.
What you do is put the peyote buttons in a pressure cooker with a little bit of water and make a wonderful and horrible tasting drink (hold nose while drinking) for research into other worlds
althespook @ 198
Well, I knew it wasn’t a shroom. So they’re cousins.
spiderpaws @ 197
Actually, it is a cactus, Ma’am!
fahrender wrote the sentence: Hunter S. Thomson must really hate being dead right now.
fahrender @ 194
Where did you guys see this? I have nothing but disdain for Issa, and I enjoy seeing him behave like the jerk he is.
Boston1775 @ 202
Fieldman has written a letter to the TILLMAN FAMILY? Forbidding them to cooperate with congress? do you a linky on that!
Oh shit: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..02853/6849
CTuttle @ 196
Thanks for clearing that up – it explains so much.
spiderpaws @ 204
Always a good idea to cut the fuzzies out of the middle first.
CTuttle @ 207
spiderpaws is a Ma’am? D’oh!!
wangdangdoodle @ 191
i can’t remember ……
newspaperbrat @ 211
Doesn’t It?!!! 8-)
wigwam @ 210
The pooch is truly screwed.
Suzanne @ 193
but mayonaise ain’t half bad ……..
Suzi, remember I told you about Mushariif being in a very compromised postion this fall? Like on his way out to another planet?
newspaperbrat @ 211
Ozzie musta given the Bat Rabies …
Alfred, No, Fielding has written to Waxman et al that the Whitehouse will not be producing any information about when they knew that Pat Tillman had been killed by friendly fire.
neutonusr: your link to the hearing didn’t work for me. I’m going to go get the one I used this morning.
spiderpaws @ 218
I remember, spidey…. very dire days ahead I fear.
spiderpaws @ 218
It will be interesting to see who replaces Mush … Pak has a nuclear arsenal …
wangdangdoodle @ 213
Every now and then, they’ll let slip and expose their particular persuasion!!! *g*
spiderpaws @ 218
Has anyone remembered that pakistan has about 100 nuclear weapons? ready to use? and missiles to deliver them?
Boston1775 @ 220
thanks. i’ve been holding off on my blog because the story keeps changing. if fielding is now ordering ordinary citizens not to respond to congress, that’s WAY over the line.
Astrologers say a hostile takeover there in late fall.
Pachacutec @ 26
Pach, just wanted to let you know that your “talk sex” post was my all time fav late night. I had so much fun with “Brandi’s” phone call.
spiderpaws @ 226
crap.
This admin will be the ruination of my liver.
wangdangdoodle @ 229
we’ll be lucky if it isn’t the ruination of a lot more than that. my back hairs are standing up again.
wangdangdoodle @ 217
Even if this is true, and that’s a mighty big if, we need to bail at least for a while. After all Osama is not wanted in connection to either world trade center attack. (look on the FBI web site, he is only mentioned in connection with attacks in Yemen I believe.)
If the neo cons couldn’t capture him in all these years (whether they really wanted to or not) we need to redeploy for good or for good regrouping, imo.
Jacqrat @ 227
did my little facebook thinger appear?
althespook @ 228
Alfred, spidey has been proven right with her predictions in the past.
spiderpaws @ 226
That is most unsettling!!! Shariya law would be imposed, Shrub’s worst nightmare would occur! Radical Islamists with the bomb!!!
Pakistan, I’m betting, probably wouldn’t strike Paraguay.
your f’d jacqrat
alfred, unless that crap was an “oh crap”, in which case, never mind…
jacqrat @ 232
Sure Did!!!
sometimes it’s good to just go out and lay in the spinache patch and fire one up
Petrocelli @ 219
Among other horrors. ;~)
althespook @ 230
A-yup. When did you change your handle? I’ve been out of it most of the last week.
spiderpaws @ 239
You could get pipe-eye that way.
On last night’s TRex late late, I blogged parts of the this hearing.
If you scan my comments from 300 to 360, you’ll get a flavor of the four plus hour hearing.
I watched it live and I watched it again this morning. So much came alive for me on the second time around. I saw how much the Tillmans understand; they completely see that this government has gone bad.
From memory, his mom said:
This isn’t about Pat.
This is about what they did to Pat.
This is about what they have done to the nation.
I’ll go get what I blogged.
Eureka Springs @ 241
watch out for wimpy
Suzanne @ 233
Ghod, suz, that wasn’t what i meant. I KNOW about spiderpaw’s abilities, trust me! I meant, “crap we’re SCREWED!”
I take the position that there is an infinite contiuum of the mind out there and that each individual uses their own “focus” to reach it. i and my dad have ours, spiderpaws uses astrology, it doesn’t matter. it all comes from the same place and is inherently valid.
The PROBLEM is our ability to filter and understand the data. When you tap it in your mind, it’s like a roared stream of knowledge and information about EVERYTHING, all mixed up at once. filtering out what you need and understanding what it means is the hard part.
BTW, my focus is music.
…just to be clear…this was not my prediction…other, better, master astrologers said this.
wangdangdoodle @ 216
Right. Pakistan has 170 million people, has nuclear weapons now, and is the genesis of the Taliban, i.e., a very large and very militant Islamic population. The threat from Iran is small compared to Pakistan.
wangdangdoodle @ 240
when i did the facebook thing. i’m going to try to change it back if i ever get a dayam minnit…
spiderpaws @ 238
It would be nice if you would share… ;)
Boston1775 @ 242
Thanks, Boston.
CTuttle @ 234
Um … the U.S. of A. and certainly India & Israel will not allow this. India will be talking to Russia and China to stop the Taliban taking over Pakistan … you’ll recall the Russians still have a score to settle with the Taliban …
Eureka Springs @ 231
Not wanted in connection to the World Trade Center attacks? Now why does that remind me of charges that were dropped against Padilla? Because they have no case, they can’t prove it and they know he didn’t do it? I’ll be right back, the foil is in the drawer in the kitchen in the next room…
spiderpaws @ 238
Yeah! Enjoy a little green amongst the greenery!!! *cough* *g*
not to change the subject but anyone here having a birthday?
spiderpaws @ 226
Pakistan is waaay more worrisome than Iran. There is no way in hell that the that place can be sorted out, and just another case of British Colonialism’s (and the CIA’s) putrid aftermath:
1. Iraq
2. Israel/Palestine
3. Pakistan
spiderpaws @ 253
In April.
Petrocelli @ 250
I think it would create a “Coalition Of The Scared Sh*tless!” And India would be the first on the list. Their history with islam is not a good one…If you think the body count in Iraq is bad, read about the Partition Of India!
spiderpaws @ 253
Me on the 27th
TexB @ 255
In March (almost an April Fool)
althespook @ 258
Mark your calendars. Tequila shots, on me …….
…passing over to jacqrat…don’t bogart
fahrender @ 258
But remember the role of the Fool in the midieval court: to tell the king the truths no one else would. the king could then laugh and say, “it’s just Teh Fool!” and ignore it, whereas if a person said such things to the king as truths, the king would have to do horrible things to them. Your social evolutionary dollars at work…
Well, the Missus wants to have her way with me! Time to bid the Lake another fond adieu!!! Aloha Oe!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 262
have fun CT!
AK…let me see if I can get anything…a minute please
looking away from monitor and whistlin…
wigwam @ 246
Pakistan has always been a greater threat than Iran … it’s just that it is an “ally” of the Repugs, so it gets overlooked …
Osama’s most wanted FBI page
No mention of the world trade center at all.
spiderpaws @ 260
Pass me up, been kleen for 38 days in anticipation of not having to drink Certo to pee in a cup for a new job. But DOG do I miss it!!
Suzanne @ 266
And what day is YOUR birthday?
althespook @ 258
Me on the 22nd.
fahrender @ 259
aw, how sweet! Hey, good news from my internist! my pancreas has started working agian. if i stay clear six more months, i was have gone into remission on type II diabetes. rare but it happens. the nice part is, i get to have an occasional glass of wine. i LOVE wine, (with food only), and i’ve missed it the last three yars..
so i’ll raise a glass of asti spumanti (virtually)…spiderpaws @ 264
Be careful, sp. some spirits liketh me not…
spiderpaws @ 260
…*Ere!
Eureka Springs @ 267
god dayam stupid mother forkin arseholes – we gotta get this more publizied….
from the poster:
bastoids!
althespook @ 256
Despite the fact that India is a non-Islamic, English-speaking democracy, the U.S. has been very reluctant to embrace them.
Tex, I’m an october baby…. that was regarding the medical activity (wink)
Suzanne @ 265
After Bill Moyers ? What a fool I am, I’ve been using p0rn … *g*
Suz, It’s been like that all along… while Cheney, Bush, and all the Senators and Intel and Generals….. lie
But our brothers and sisters..kill and die, for what?
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 5:22 am
The President’s speechwriter wants information on Pat Tillman.
P4 (eyes only) memo goes back from a General to Head of Central Command: It is highly possible that Cpl. Tillman was killed by friendly fire. You can talk about the silver star but if news about friendly fire leaks out, it might be embarrassing.
Did this information reach the President.
It seems that the P4 memo was in response to the President’s question.
———————
Line of questioning during the hearing.
Kevin Tillman asks if the Congressmen would help them find out about this.
Now the mom nails Rumsfeld. She is sure that he had the real information about Pat’s death.
Rumsfeld had sent a letter to Pat because he was such a high profile soldier. Rumsfeld HAD to know.
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Rumsfeld knew how Pat died while his family was given the government’s self-serving lies and a silver star with a fictitious write up.
wigwam @ 274
More cold war stupidity. I don’t have all the pertinent facts at hand (i was never an india hand focussed on COTUS and europe) but when india reached out to the us after ww ii our economic bastards wanted to restart the empire with an american presence. the indians said no way, and we cold cocked them. so they went to the sov’s who happily armed and helped them. india has never forgotten that.
In many ways (vietnam, cuba, china) we have made our own bed due to the unfortunate tendency of the us foreign policy to be liked to corporate interests rather than overall national interests…
Petrocelli @ 265
A very tenuous and temporary and unstable ally at best
Suzanne @ 273
There’s a reason for this. I don’t remember exactly, but it is something like getting the statute of limitations running.
althespook @ 271
AK, glad to hear that Dad is better … please look into Homeopathy/Ayurveda/Yoga
… all have successfully treated diabetes and kept people from having to take insulin …
E-mail me via Facebook if you want more info.
Petrocelli @ 282
will do. your powers saved my life. i am not ungrateful (and you even did it by email!)
Big Mitch, last I knew, there was no statute of limitation for murder occurring on US soil.
Petro, can you log on to msn plz?
AK…
Temperish …but sweet… I see the birds being charmed off the trees..you look very nice just add the matching pocket hanky…peace in the valley, please…line up while I put my wing over you…what ? you won’t line up? …alpha, Beta and theta but mostly Beta…divine purpose
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 5:37 am
You have to see the showdown between Issa and Kevin Tillman.
When Tillman doesn’t answer Issa’s question the way he likes, Issa reminds Kevin that he’s on the Judiciary Committee.
Issa: Who are “they” and what is your evidence?
Kevin Tillman: We don’t know who they are, sir. We just have the evidence leading us here, sir.
wigwam @ 275
Bit of a history to that … when America was going fulll steam with their Global War On Communism, India along with many other nations formed the Non- Aligned Movement. The U.S. administration had the same with us/against us mindset then, and treated all N.A.M member nations, including India as enemies of America.
spiderpaws @ 286
DAYAM you’re good. and thank you for keeping my secret. I KNOW you saw it. it has been scaring me silly all my life. That’s why (I think..) I can’t “line up”.
But your wing is over me nonetheless.
petrocelli, who else was in the N.A.M.?
althespook @ 279
There was another pattern that I noticed (even as a little kid). Whenever a nation accepted arms from the Soviets, they suddenly became “bad guys” in the U.S. press.
Later, I realized that we were trying to leverage our weapons to control client states. To our State Department, accepting Soviet weapons was unacceptable infidelity — we no longer had leverage over that unfaithful state. It seemed to be a consistent pattern throughout the cold war. Egypt went back and forth several times.
Petrocelli @ 282
Acupressure worked beautifully for me recently and I highly recommend it to fellow keyboarders with pesty pain in the neck and shoulders FWIW.
Suzanne @ 284
Yes of course, but there are speedy trial rights and things like that. As I said, I don’t remember exactly.
althespook @ 284
We’re living different lives, but are connected by the same network … consciousness.
anyone else a birthday (soon, not next year please)
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 6:16 am
This isn’t about Pat.
This is about what they did to Pat.
This is about what they did to a nation.
Pat died for this country.
You’re diminishing their true heroism.
We shouldn’t be allowed to have smokescreens thrown in our face.
Pat Tillman’s mom
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makes you think of sand thrown in the eyes, doesn’t it?
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Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 6:52 am
Mr. Honda, a representative of the Tillman family:
Thank you for not giving up.
There’s a phrase that says you bring truth to power?
I think now you’ll give power to truth.
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America, we have entered the time before the Perfect Storm.
Suzanne @ 285
Or terrorism, I’ll bet.
althespook,
Congratultions on the good news from your internist.
I just don’t see why if OBL was “responsible” for 9/11, why it isn’t even friggin mentioned on the dayam wanted poster?
Petrocelli @ 250
I see one big problem here:
None of the countries you mention are Islamic.
spiderpaws @ 296
Did you see me? *s* 7-22 a few minutes before Leo.
spiderpaws @ 295
my best friend is tues.
newspaperbrat @ 292
Three sessions of accupuncture cured my “phone neck” last year.
Petrocelli @ 288
DING! That was what I couldn’t remember. Wiki Link.
Suzanne @ 299
lack of evidence
AK: the “wing” is yours not mine…your voice ordering the line up…hee hee
TexB @ 305
But enough evidence to start two forking wars – Afghanistan and Iraq?
7-22 wait wait don’t tell me
Suzanne @ 307
And possibly three. Iran?
There is only one reason Osama might be alive… Cause it’s better for Bush and Cheney that way.
Aside from the lack of evidence re: 9-11.
Eureka Springs @ 310
Gotta have a boogie man.
wigwam @ 291
This is one of the few spook secrets i can talk about because it became public knowledge. For some reason the sov’s got a bird up about anwar sadat and set up a coup with some junior officers to replace him (that was when they were a sov client). The KGB rezident in Eqypt (IIRC) was so disgusted with this that he outed the plot to Sadat. Sadat switched alliegence and has been a us client ever since.
MUCH more importantly, this gave him political cover to sign the peace treaty with israel….
wangdangdoodle @ 310
And Pakistan and Syria…what about the Turks?
Not enough evidence to walk a warrant through but enough for starting wars. Stupid, arrogant… oooooo (taking deep breaths and thinking calming thoughts)
wangdangdoodle @ 117
Wrangler butts with back pocket Copenhagen rings? Yee-haw!
IIRC, Rove said that special look inspired his love at first sight for preznit…
Suzanne @ 291
sorry Suz, I’ll be a few more minutes … emergency …
Eureka Springs @ 310
Are you dreaming?
When did lack of evidence ever stop this adminstration from doing what it wanted. Remember: we invaded Iraq because of that country’s involvment in 9-11?
althespook @ 304
Thanks! (and thanks to Petrocelli) I had forgotten about that.
The Pakistan situation is really bad. I don’t know the background, but Bhuto seemed/seems like a reasonable person. Why haven’t we backed her?
spiderpaws @ 306
oh, that. sorry, i’m new to your type of parsing. Anyways, thanks. let me know if anything needs immediate attention and i’ll keep one of my agents pointed in your direction (now if i could just find that dayam ultron…)
no problem, petrocelli, AK gave the wiki link
BigMitch @ 318
Not dreaming and never.
SunnyNobility @ 315
eewwwwwww!!!!!! I take it back!
BigMitch @ 298
Thanks! I’m currently sending every erg of available positive energy to my little Islands Of Langerhans….go, guys, go!
Congress gave/sold India Nuk-you-ler weapons, last year, iirc.
SunnyNobility @ 316
crossing heart and swearing to never more say wrangler butts drive me nuts. evah!
ES…didn’t we do this one once before?
Ever by balance do the wise attain (book of tokens)
absorbing the atmosphere so watch your nerves…a perfectionist and there you are inheriting again…it’s okay we know you didnt ask for it – there you are under the limelight…remarkable technician and even tho you might feel chained to the stove you are free to create
BigMitch @ 317
Shit! I thought it was because they had mushrooms, and/or clouds thereof.
Eureka Springs @ 324
The United States has never given nor sold nuclear weapons to anyone. Maybe nuclear power plants, but that’s a very different kettle of fish.
Or else I am wrong.
Petrocelli @ 294
The Jungian Connectivity. Yuppers. Once I figured that out my abilities (tiny tho they are ) finally started to work reliably…
althespook @ 323
I’m not using my Langerhans right now so I’m sending you my spares. (note to self: google Langerhans)
fahrender @ 300
When nukes enter the picture, everything else becomes irrelevant. Which is why, among any number of other reasons, they are bad for your nation’s health. Like cigarette smoking on a nation state level. short term high, long term fatal side effects. (You know, we might just want to start pushing that metaphor, i think it works, and the mushroom cloud/cigarette smoke juxtaposition is just TOO convenient…)
spiderpaws @ 327
Maybe last year, spiderpaws..
Thanks, going to save it and ponder.
[going to have to look up book of tokens]
Well, I feel funny doing this, but I feel a lot of pressure to draw attention to these people and the hearings. Sorry to keep interrupting. This is my last one.
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 7:35 am
Oh God, a kid is testifying. He worked under Pat Tillman. The kid knew immediately that Pat was killed by friendly fire. And he told people that. Until he was too taken up with his own wounds.
Within 72 hours, nine people, including two generals, were informed that Pat was killed by friendly fire.
The kid was ordered NOT to tell Kevin. The kid would get into trouble if he told Kevin the truth.
356
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Oh my, the blood that the kid thought was his own was Pat’s.
357
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 8:14 am
Kensinger, Abizaid and Brown, three generals, got the P4 memo informing them that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire. This was before the highly publicized memorial service.
Rumsfeld said he never saw the memo. (He’s used this one before.)
Waxman would like to know why three generals would not send this important information to Secretary Rumsfeld. Finds this incredible.
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Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Another kid was set up to read the fake silver star report at the memorial service for Pat. This kid was a friend of Kevin, Pat’s brother.
He did not find out that he’d been used to spread this false story until Kevin called him and told him how Pat really died.
359
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Apparently, a general said that the Tillmans would never be satisfied because they were not Christian.
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This is agony.
360
Boston1775 says:
July 14th, 2007 at 8:37 am
You will find the complete hearing of more than four hours here.
wangdang, i think they have to do with the pancreas and insulin producers.
Eureka Springs @ 324
Hmmmmm. That sounds wrong. From what I recall reading the U.S. has always pushed back against India having nuclear weapons. Also, we are very dependent now on Pakistan for our efforts in Afghanistan, and Pakistan would not be happy about facing U.S. nukes.
Hi Spiderpaws
would you do a half-birthday? *g*
boston, that first kid, the one that was hurt – is he the one they posted guards outside his room so he couldn’t talk to anyone about it?
althespook @ 261
i’ve often had that said about me: “it’s just Teh Fool!”
Night all. Going to log off. Enjoy the rest of the night. If y’all solve all the world’s problems, wake me. If not, let me sleep in.
wigwam @ 327
Consider this letter from King George the Incompetent to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, available on the White House website.
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
GEORGE W. BUSH
pain free sleep wishes, tex.
wangdangdoodle @ 330
Suzanne @ 334
Just took a lightning hit here in San Antonio, major thunderstorm line coming thru, but here is The Wiki Pancreas Page.
Boston1775 @ 333
Thank you so much for doing this, Boston
Sleep well TexB.
AK: the formula you should be taking immedately:
Natures Sunshine Herbs: Blood Sugar Formula NBS/AV
You can order them from the herb specialists dot com
Suzanne @ 341
ditto. will be around most of tomorrow for chat.
npb you got mail
fahrender @ 300
Everyone is going to be backig their perceived self-interest on this one, but I have no idea how these nations perceived their own self interest.
For example, India might find it to be in its own self interest for the U.S. to nuke Pakistan into the stoneage, which would imply that India should encourage an Islamist takeover in Pakistan. (Please understand that that was a fur-instance, not a claim of fact.)
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…am off to the hill for some star watching…byeeeee
Mitch, so King George 43 says there is enough evidence to go to war but not enough to issue an arrest warrant? I still can not wrap my brain around that one. Instead issues one for other acts? Just makes no sense at all to this old brain.
Suzanne @ 334
Too many wine fizzies to make snense of what Wiki says. Or tpye correctly.
wigwam @ 336
Sorry, not weapons, but the technology..etc..
enjoy the stars, spidey
spiderpaws @ 348
sounds like things are looking up.
Suzanne @ 337
Suzanne, I don’t know about the guards, but I do know that he was given a command to NOT tell Pat’s brother (they all served in the same unit) how Pat died. The kid said that he would “get into trouble” if he told the truth to Kevin, Pat’s brother.
How sick is that? They let this family go through a large public memorial service thinking he’d died the way “they” wrote it. They authorized a Silver Star and a completely false story to go with it.
Rumsfeld was so tuned into Pat’s service that he’d written a letter to Pat. BUT in his inimitable way, Rumsfeld said he never saw the P4 memo about how Pat died. (Didn’t look like Waxman bought it.)
spiderpaws @ 295
August 26th, Spidey.
althespook @ 312
don’t know much about Egypt now but the Russians are definitely all over Sudan. When I was there (left in May ‘05) I met a Sudanese woman who claimed that her father had been head of the Communist Party in Sudan. She said he was a close friend (college classmate of Anwar Sadat). She also claimed that the Sudanese security police watched her constantly …….
wigwam @ 318
Pakistani politics is much crazier than US politics. Benazir’s husband was (is?) very clumsily corrupt. Nobody can get control of that country. Maybe Sadaam could’ve …….
spiderpaws @ 345
got it. thanks. will check it out. just lost power again for a few minutes due to thunderstorms. may have intermittent connectivity for a while…
wigwam @ 348
The best discussions get started after 2 a.m. … oh well … sleep is overrated anyway … *g*
Pakistan is a Muslim nation, not an Arab nation … huge difference … hardline Arab nations have been trying to turn it into an Arab state, ergo the constant fighting in the North East.
There are many moderate Muslim nations who want the Taliban and Sharia turfed … the problem is, as one commenter noted earlier … getting America’s corporate interests to match national interests …
Suzanne @ 349
From Welcome back, Tony Snow, April 30, 2007:
On this morning’s edition of Good Morning America we all were delighted to see that you are back, and apparently you haven’t lost any of your game.
I especially liked the part where you said,
Whoa, Tony! We get the point! Anyone who would suggest that the administration linked Saddam to 9-11 is a worthless liar.
Suzanne, now re-read president Numbnuts’ letter on #340.
fahrender @ 358
The politicians have been so corrupt that there have been many military coups to try and straighten the situation, but it always seem to get worse … more of that great American Foreign Policy …
althespook @ 331
i’m just sayin’ that unless an islamic country (read Saudi) doesn’t get into talking seriously to the Pakistani government and people nobody is going to get things sorted out there, and that may not be enough either.
Mitch, I was talking about the Osama Bin Laden arrest warrant, not Saddam.
suzanne, apologies for 359 and 360, quoting sp’s comment appears to have tripped the spam filters.
Thought it was the power outage (had another one just now, bigger).
AK, You did see this re 200K turkish troops?
AK, I freed one and deleted the duplicate. Something in spidey’s original comment was catching in the filters.
The Tillman family knows that what happened to Pat happened to the country.
This administration used Pat’s service to recruit and paint the war the way they wanted it to look.
When Pat died the wrong way, “they” authorized his death to rewritten to suit “them”.
When the Tillman family objected and started fighting back, wanting to know how this could have happened, the White House invoked EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.
Next hearing: August 1st (I think.)
fahrender @ 300
Everyone is going to be backig their perceived self-interest on this one, but I have no idea how these nations perceived their own self interest.
For example, India might find it to be in its own self interest for the U.S. to nuke Pakistan into the stoneage, which would imply that India should encourage an Islamist takeover in Pakistan. (Please understand that that was a fur-instance, not a claim of fact.)
– Eureka Springs @ 352
Hmmmmmm. Very interesting! Tinfoil-hat time.
The U.S. in general, and this administration in particular, does that sort of thing when and only when some wealthy U.S. interest lobbies for it.
In the U.S. there is a huge coal lobby and a much smaller Uranium lobby. India was going toward Thorium-based nuclear energy, which might be perceived as a threat by both groups. Just saying.
FWIW, Thorium-based nuclear energy makes a lot of sense: http://www.thoriumenergy.blogspot.com
Geez, it’s 3 in the morning. G’night folks. Can’t wait to see if the bobble heads cover Tillman or impeachment in the morning. I doubt they’ll cover WWIII as y’all have tonight.
Doppler looks intense down there, Alfred. Appears to be moving thru, though.
Eureka Springs @ 352
India already has nuclear technology and nuclear weapons (both atomic and boosted fusion). They also have missile delivery systems. They got both from the sov’s as a check on China, iirc.
our wannabe nuke deal is just a cheney thing, another pork container ship thrown to big Nuke. Wiki link, note that it is disputed so may have some inaccuracies.
Suzanne @ 362
I get it. It’s just that I go crazy when the administration links 9-11 to Iraq AND when they deny doing so. So my point was that we went to war in Iraq to get the 9-11 perps as demonstrated by the Pres’s letter. Thus, as you say, not enough evidence to get an arrest warrant for 9-11 vs. OBL, but enough to declare war on a country that we deny had anything to do with it.
Suzanne @ 368
thanks much.
g’nite wangdang (btw, i love that name). sleep well.
Petrocelli (#359):
Nobody said Arab. We said Islamic. That said, the whole heirarchy/pecking order in Islam is built around learning arabic. to properly understand the Koran. Pakistanis are as into that as anybody else.
They don’t necessarily like it but they go along with it. I’m not sure
here but I think that Sunni Muslims dominate in Pakistan and the
Sunnis more or less subscribe to the whole pilgrimage to Mecca
bit.
wigwam @ 370
IIRC, you can’t weaponize it or create a meltdown…
BigMitch @ 370
Thank you for saying so clearly what I was having trouble finding the words for. Yeah, I just don’t understand that either – enough for war but not enough to get an arrest warrant. I am finding myself believing more and more that they do not want to find OBL because, as said upthread, they gotta have a boogie man to use to scare us with – to keep us submissive with fear.
Suze – thanks just sent you an update. ;>(
Eureka Springs @ 367
oh yeah. y’see, i suspect chimpy wants to run for the kurds and the kuwaitis (the Double K Strategy, like a cattle brand) and if the Kurds suddenly find themselves hosts to 90,000 us troops plus armor and air support and ghod know what else, they might just decide the time has come to invake turkey AND iran and set up Free Kurdistan.
But they won’t try that little stunt if there are that many Turkish troops smiling politely at them over the border. Remember the First Rule Of Middle East Politics And Warfare:
“Don’t F*ck With The Turks!”
Suzanne @ 375
but the question is, is wangdangdoodle a dandy? (snark) (with respect to the person of course, and I also love that name, brings fifes and drums to mind…)
althespook @ 376
Right, almost. A reactor can be designed so that the by products cannot be weaponized, but takes some doing from what I understand. (I’m not an expert on any of htis stuff, but I can go into a bit more detail if anyone is interested..)
Incidentally, the conventional take on Pakistan’s military is that it acts as a check (or balance, if you will) on the civilian government getting to far out of line.
Any country has to defend its own territory, and there is great sympathy for OBL in rural Pakistan. If the U.S. were to invade there to snatch OBL, all hell would break loose, there. The Government would have to object but would appear impotent and it is not clear that the military would tolerate this.
Just one more opinion, and not necessarily a particularly well-informed one.
good night/morning all.
go to go do stuff.
it’s been real.
catch y’all on the flip side ……
Yes Suz, And now we are supposed to believe Osama is about to take over Pakistan…
Yeah, with dialysis equipment in tow.
Eureka Springs @ 382
Don’t you think OBL is in Pakistan? I don’t know what to believe, but I thought that is the general understanding. Not to say that the general understanding can’t be based on bullshit from W’s crop of crooks.
Petrocelli @ 360
Tonight I have an unfair advantage. I’m sitting here at the water’s edge at Kapalua bay (Maui) and it’s only 10:30. ;-)
fahrender @ 382
good night fahrender…
looks like I need more sleep myself
good night Suzanne and all
fahrender @ 375
They learn Arabic for the Koran, but their main language is Urdu as is their culture – if you’ve ever heard Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, you know the difference between Muslims and Arabs … his voice gives you a greater high than that stuff Spidey and Jacqrat were sharing earlier … *g*
Geez, Patrick is probably sleeping on the bus headed up the CA coast, but I hope he sees that the Psychedelic Furs made the Skippy Music Club, Saturday Nite Version.
Or they could be preparing to ward off a mass exodus if things go crazy between us/Iraq and Iran.
Time for me to head off to bed myself. See ya’ll tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel.
Eureka Springs @ 388
The numbers of Displaced Persons (D.P.s) in Iraq are crazy. Something like 1 in 8 fled the country; one in 4 fled his/her home.
Imagine 75 million refugees in a country of our size. (Iraq pop.= 25mm)
BigMitch @ 385
I think it’s most important that we dont believe our own Executive, Legislative, Judicial branch.. or the military/intel.
Without boatloads of verifiable evidence.
wigwam @ 386
Excellent … another acquaintance in Paradise … you wouldn’t know Wayne Dyer by any chance, would ya ?!! *g*
Eureka Springs @ 391
Or the press. Which is why I am so tentative in my opinions.
BigMitch @ 382
That’s essentially how it got explained to me. There seems to be a good-old-boys network between the U.S. military and the Pakistani military. But the military’s hold on the country isn’t all that iron clad.
The guys to watch out for are the Intelligence
services (the ISI). They are major sponsors of the Taliban.
It seems to be only a matter of time until this nuclear-armed nation of 170 million become THE LEADER in the militant Islam movement. Israel’s and the U.S.’s current problems will pale by comparison to the situation when that happens. OBL is their local equivalent of Robin Hood.
Suzanne @ 391
Sweet dreams, Wrangler girl ! *g*
Petrocelli @ 394
No, but I’ve certainly heard of him.
OT but really really important:
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/w…..132567729/
They have potentially developed the REAL version of the star trek transported in germany. They currently have half of it working and are likely to get the other half soon. if we can make this work, we can beam atoms of any type anywhere we can reach with a laser. Not objects, not yet and maybe not ever, but just raw atoms are enough. I’m cross posting a post I just made to the larry niven sf list to illustrate:
“the problem is the quantum cooling involved, this trick only works with a specialized bose-einstein condensate IIRC. BUT, that’s enough for two very lovely atoms, atoms with which we are all well acquainted….
hydrogen and oxygen.
IF they can make this work, we can litterally BEAM oxygen and hydrogen anywhere we can send a coherent signal. This simple breakthrough alone, if we can get it to work, will let us colonize the solar system. I am not kidding on this. I could dance on the moon i’m so happy….cause we REALLY need to get off this lovely rock and make several MORE lovely rocks….
simple example: fueling an interstellar probe. if it has to carry it’s mass of fuel, no go. The british interplanetary society worked that out twenty years ago.
Now consider NOT having to bring fuel. It get’s BEAMED IN, and collected and fused. Lightspeed suddenly isn’t such a problem.
Hell, one gee trips across the solar system are suddenly not a problem.
And suppost they can make this work for carbon and nitrogen and phosphorus. Add those to oxy and hydro and you have….FOOD!
like i say, this is so huge there are no words to describe it. BUT
it ain’t workin yet. let’s not get too enthusiastic here. remember the tunnel diode effect was gonna do the same thing and it no workie for anything but electrons. so we’ll see…”
Petrocelli @ 398
night suz!
wigwam @ 396
Anyone who opposes U.S. policies is treated as a Robin Hood there.
Russia and China certainly do not want Pakistan going the way of the Taliban (China is as close to Pak as the U.S.)
… they have to figure out if Bhutto or Sharif will stabilize Pakistan and transition leadership away from Mush.
wigwam @ 398
Well, if you meet him, tell him there’s this yogi in Toronto who really wants to meet him …
[aside: Big Mitch has had a rough year. Wife left him, took kids. Long period of unemployment, and health problems. I take full responsibility for the problems I brought on myself, but …]
On the worst day of my life, I couldn’t get as much fucking up done as W and his minions do on their best day they ever had.
We used to face many bad choices in the mid-East, south Asia. Now, we face many horrible choices that threaten civilation as we know it.
And that fucking chimp is so smug and cheerful.
BigMitch @ 404
being a preppy means never having to say you’re sorry…and chimpy is the uber-preppy!
BigMitch @ 403
What does “… take full responsibility …” mean to you?
Sorry if that’s too probing.
To me, it means that you have the power to overcome all challenges.
AK, Fascinating.. I wonder how much energy it would take to shoot a couple atoms across the galaxy…
Big Mitch, It has to be pills..lots of happy pills. Just hope he stays on them til he’s frog marched.
Hit the wall, time to hit the sack..
g’nite dawgs
Eureka Springs @ 393
Statistically speaking, I get better information from casual conversations than from the mainstream media and the agencies that speak through them, e.g., the government and various think tanks.
althespook @ 404
Where’s his karma ?
Hey Spidey … are you still here ?
Petrocelli @ 403
No doubt. And I shall.
Eureka Springs @ 406
‘nite Bro !
BigMitch @ 409
Attaboy … um … Sir …
I’m sure this is OT, but in my nightly insomniac wanderings I found this terrific Bill Moyers’Journal video that I think everyone should watch and send to their friends and Congresscritters: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..ofile.html
We can’t let the despicable precedents of the Bush administration stand for future generations.
Eureka Springs @ 407
That’s one of the unsolved problems and may scotch the whole deal. but it doesn’t have that feel to it…
rxbusa @ 413
I don’t think they will, chimpy is too scared of SOMETHING. And when this admin goes down, it is going to take the entire fourth reich of chimpy and his friends with it, IMHO….The Guardians have awakened! (About bloody time…)
BigMitch @ 403
The card you’re dealt are not your doing. How you react to them is.
May the card improve, and may you continue to deal so admirably with the cards that don’t. Hang in there.
althespook @ 414
From your fingertips to Karma’s eyes!
rxbusa @ 412
This vid was the subject of several threads here on Friday night. To say the least, regulars here were inspired by this show. :-)
oops, workie time. gotta go. been more than fun. be excellent to each other, and see you tomorrow. (Poof)
BigMitch @ 417
I knew I was missing something being off the grid a few days.
althespook @ 414
I don’t know of a time when people in the military, intelligence and the branches of government have been so against an American President.
John Nichols, a writer for Nation magazine, and the author of “The Genius of Impeachment,” said this on Bill Moyer’s Journal, Friday night.:
althespook @ 414
He has to know that he broke the law vis a vis illegal wiretapping … the only way it gets worse is if someone can prove that it was used to spy on adversaries.
Petrocelli @ 420
I was on active duty in the Army when Nixon resigned. There was never any doubt that he would be the commander in chief, until he resigned, unless he tried to do something really really wacky. I don’t get that feel now.
Petrocelli @ 422
Which I fully believe. In particular, I think they were spying on Collin Powell. Not exactly an adversary, but not a proper target of anti-terrorism eavesdropping either.
5 a.m. in Toronto …
G’nite all !!!
althespook @ 414
Right on! All five Republican presidents since Eisenhower have been involved in crimes against the Constitution:
– as perpetrators: Nixon and likely Reagan and Bush-43
– as pardoners (and obstructors of justice): Ford, Bush-41 and Bush-43.
Moreover, we’ve seen from the editorials regarding the Liddy case that the right-wing media considers the abuse of executive power to be “politics as usual,” and any attempt at oversight to be an attemnpt to “criminalize politics.” In other words, they thing that this is the way things should be.
Also, the behavior of the right-wing press during the Clinton years has illustrated that they thing that even frivolous impeachments should be considered “politics as usual.”
Then, by God, it is the duty of every person who has taken an oath of office to make good on their promise to “defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC.”
James Madison told us exactly what to do when a president pardons a henchman; we must impeach his ass like the good originalists that we are.
BigMitch @ 424
One angle of the illegal domestic spying that I have wanted and never seen follow-up on was that back when Mueller admitted that FBI had abused their powers he said that they had shared what they found with local law enforcement. He went on to say that FBI hadn’t done anything untoward with the info they had, but who the hell knows what the people they passed it on to did!
Petrocelli @ 420
Thanks to all – am calling it a night on quite a memorable latelatenite at da Lake – collectively you firepups are no small comfort and good medicine for this ole brat. Cyper hugs one and all.
Local baseball game (minor league) at 1:12 in the morning. Bottom of the 9th, game tying home run!!!!
From Wikipedia:
In his career, Petrocelli hit 210 home runs with 773 RBI and 653 runs in 1553 games. He was inducted to the Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame in 1997.
BigMitch @ 429
Are you AT the game, listening on radio or what? Your comment sent me back through a timewarp about 40 yrs listening on late night radio to a minor league game in Fort Worth that went to the wee hours. What concentration I had in those days!
Local radio. 2 outs, bottom of the 9th, tie score, and man on second.
BigMitch @ 424
These guys know no morality and no limits. Their notion of morality boils down to: good is when I steal from you; evil is when you steal from me.
They studied the communist party so long that they now resemble it. (”Choose your enemies well.”) Whatever advances the cause is “truth”. All else is falsehood.
wigwam @ 426
Amen to that! Write more letters!
Good night folks, I’ll be listening to extra innings in bed.
And remember:
Impeachment is not a constitutional crisis. It is the cure for a constitutional crisis.
BigMitch @ 430
Our Petrocelli? Honest to Petro?
Gotta be on a plane at 8 so time to quit. Sweet dreams, all.
BigMitch @ 421
During Clinton’s impeachment, John Dean and others went so far as to argue (convincingly) that per the Constitution a president can pardon himself for any and all crimes he might ever have committed. That puts the president above the law, except for the power of impeachment. But even the power of impeachment doesn’t work if the president issues that pardon on his last day in office.
So, the only protection the Constitution has is a congress that impeaches and removes presidents on the first hint that they might pardon any henchman, much less themselves.
Petrocelli @ 388
we’re quibbling over a word: Muslim.
According to my dictionary it means “a believer or adherent of Islam.”
Ergo, the Pakistanis and the Arabs are both Muslim (most of them), so we could say the difference between Pakistanis (whatever tribal or ethnic group therein) and Arabs. I don’t see how “the difference between Muslims and Arabs” works. Most Arabs are Muslims.
The little facebook thingy is cool.
Let’s see if I get one…
OK, so how does one go about getting the little facebook thingy to appear?
Good morning!
Hi egregious – can I sneak a little coffee to you while we all wait for Marion?
Where are my manners – coffee anyone?
President Bush bets the rent and every bit of political capitol he can beg borrow or steal on any postion he takes if he gets half of what he wants he thinks he has won. He gambles everything on one bet/issue at a time for example No Child Left Behind, Social Security Privatizaion, the new Bankrupcy law etc
The DLC tries to accommodate their reaction to any proposal is to say no at first then go halfway or give in. They very rarely take a stand on tough issues.
With the Fear of 9/11 backing him Bush got addicted to getting his own way on the war and thought he could get his way on everything. He doesn’t seem to realize that no results in Iraq for 6 years has robbed him of his Political Fear Capitol .
The DLC is like France before World War 2 still fighting the last war. They realize intelectually perhaps, but not in their hearts that with 70% of the people against the war and having Congress’s power of the Purse they can end the war right now! They are still worried about backlash from the American people if they push to hard to end the war. But at 70% just what could flip those numbers?
A terroist attack but Bush is the one who fought not to enact the 9/11 Commission Regulations. Bush is the one who didn’t follow Osamma into Pakistan. Bush is the one who invaded Iraq and brought Al Queida to a country where there was no Al Queida. Just how much hand holding does the DLC need?
The DLC timidness is why the Democratic Congress has such low numbers. Votes on issues that are just for show won’t work if they comprimise/cave in to the White House again in September they will play into Rove’s hands, he hopes to split the Democratic party by standing firm.
But at 70% all the reduce but don’t take all the troops out of Iraq Democratic Presidential Candidates will be left fighting for Bush’s 30%ers. The 70% will go to the most popular get all the troops out of Iraq Presidential Candidate. Betting big all the time like Bush does is as dumb a plan as betting small all the time like the DLC. You have to bet on sure things most of the time and pick your fights/bet big on principle everynow and then.
Good morning, pups, and thanks for the coffee Boston1775. The NYT offers up Ms. Dowd who’s offered to write W’s mea culpa, and has an absolutely wonderful idea for Darth Cheney’s community service should it ever (God willing) come to that. Thomas Friedman is writing about the green road less traveled, an idea that should be put into place here in American cities. Frank Rich takes aim at Michael “Trust My Gut” Chertoff. His aim is bang on.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
I’ve got coffee (French roast) and tea ready, and I found a recipe for a wonderful French toast breakfast casserole on Recipezaar. I put it together last night, got it out of the fridge this morning and it’s scrumptious — just enough cinnamon. Try some, and have a great day.
Holds out coffee cup…one eye slowly opens…thank you kind Boston.
Lived in and around Boston for 17 years. Great memories.
Um, perhaps I should clarify… I did put that casserole in the oven after I got it out of the fridge. That is what comes of posting before BOTH eyes are open!
If you want your blood to start a slow boil you might read this little item in today’s NYT on the new gilded age:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..ref=slogin
The last 2 times in the last century wealth was so concentrated at the top were in 1915 and 1916 at the end of the first gilded age and in the late 1920s, just before the crash.
Marion, page one of the gilded age story is all I can take so far. Now, for a bite of that casserole.
Here’s a plate eg and the rest of you.
I saw the Hypocrites on the Wallstreet Journal Program discussing the war yesterday they are all kinds of concerned about the chaos if we leave. Iran will move in Al Queida will take over there will be Genocide.
But where are those guys when we need them on the Genocide in Darfur issue? Oh wait only people with oil deserve to be saved from Genocide. Iran gets Iraq’s oil hmm well they still have to sell us oil if they want to make any money. Its not like Iran is self sufficent and can stop selling us oil just to wreck our economy.
Iraq will descend into Chaos if we leave? Just how can the situation get any worse? In six years of our troops retaking the same towns over and over again we have accidentaly killed alot of civilians. How many Iraq’s are refugees in other countries now because they can’t live with the chaos that we brought there?
Iran and Al Queida together would have to work very hard to match our kill rate total. But what pisses me off the worst is that when our troops come home the WallStreet Journal will say that we need Bush’s Tax cuts more than we need money to help our wounded Vets!
“All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing” Burke The DLC and Hilary with her keep some troops in Iraq plan are the new Neville Chamberlains. Keeping some troops in Iraq does not show you are tough on Defense. Ending the war and fighting Bush to end the war in Iraq is the New Brave! Healthcare For everyone on demand is the New Center according to the polls. The Republicans and the DLC “cough” Centerists are the ones out of touch with America.
things—As the mother of 3 teenagers a few years ago I learned to be wary of the expression, how could things [not you!] get worse. In Iraq as elsewhere, it is almost always possible for matters to get worse.
Marion, thanks for the oven-warmed cassarole, and boston, thanks for the plate. It’s a full service blog here.
Suzanne @ 337
You can find out how “they” kept the truth from getting out about Pat Tillman’s death here.
You can watch the first Congressional hearing looking into lies about Pat Tillman’s death and Jessica Lynch’s injuries here.
Pat Tillman’s mother and brother are standing up to the government that abused them. They are strong, smart and prepared.
There will be another hearing in August. This first one is truly a must see.
Good morning! anything around for the low-carb set?
My beloved 18-yr-old boy is depressed – asks “what did you do when you were depressed?” I didn’t have the heart to tell him that, after a bit, you just have to embrace it and cope. None of the current news helps much.
new thread
egregious@454 I agree it can get worse but under this President I don’t see how we can make it better and keeping the Status Quo is immoral. Maybe if we had a Democrat in the White House right now we could negotiate a just peace but we don’t. I don’t see us having any cards to play right now.
We are only making things worst the longer we stay. The consequences of leaving Iraq are Bush’s responsibilty he had six years to win this war.
Iraq is now like an alcoholic he will only get worst if we keep serving him booze. However he may die of liver failure anyway even if we cut him off. Bush destroyed Iraq as sure as booze destroys an alkie’s liver. Stopping Bush is the only thing I can think of to stop the harm. But is the harm fatal anyway?
Could cutting off the booze/removing all our troops at once kill Iraq? Maybe but I don’t see how less troops only protecting the border or hunting Al Queida can do anything to stop the sectarian killings/civil war that is already going on. If we try and stop that well we are not doing so well doing that with the surge. Nope were both sides target now. Sometimes letting things happen is all you can do without directly being the cause of making things worse. The worst may still happen but its unlikly.
ixnay @ 457
Ixnay, there are things to do about depression. This has been my battle since age 17 which was…a while ago.
Medicine, keeping in mind to treat mania and wild mood swings if those exist in addition to the depression.
People to talk to: family members, close friends, therapist, clergy.
People that you don’t talk about the depression to, but who are there for you, your close circle of supporters. People at fdl have been known to provide this from time to time :)
Physical activity helps, something as simple as walking. Depression makes your mind think your body is sick.
Sleep is really important and getting the right nutrition. Of course those are important for everybody but more so for people fighting depression.
Hope this helps and keep us posted.
Wow. FirePups certainly were chatty last night. Nearly 700 comments? Jeepers.
‘Morning, all. Lovely summer day here, coolish clear morning, light breeze, will be traveling with friends and kids today, a good day for it.
ixnay — assuming your son is not suffering from a chemical imbalance, you might want to ask him if he’s angry and about what. A friend that suffers from depression frequently (for which he is on periodic medication) says that when not borne of a physical reason, depression is anger turned inward.
Makes sense; I felt less depressed about this mess we are in once I became an activist. I was able to find an outward expression of my anger — and I was able to make conscious, measurable if incremental progress towards taking my country back. And I made a mess of new, wonderful friends who were also in the same place, inwardly angry but looking to channel into something effective and constructive. We’ve become like family.
Now I’m just plain pissed off instead of depressed, but I have something I can do about it. Lack of control contributes greatly to our stress and depression; finding a hands-on way to do something positive will help with stress reduction and returning control to one’s life.
IANAPsychiatrist, YMMV. Just some feedback from someone who’s been there.
Ixnay@457,
You have just demonstrated what you do and what TO do.
reach out to a community, say one that can use the chicken dance as a reason to be keep communicating for the duration of 456 posts and some SEVEN hours.
Shorter BlueState:
invite him for a dip in this lake and let us know that the pub is among us!
Ixnay, copy that, what Rayne says about depression sometimes being anger turned inward. Depression is a way of dampening feelings that are too strong and too threatening to handle. Can also be about fear, feeling trapped. Probably the entire nation should be depressed right about now, trapped as we are by these bozos in government.
ixnay @ 457
Ixnay, I have made sure that my family has omega 3 oils everyday because of this information. My nineteen year old son says he can tell the difference.
Ixnay @ 457 and going forward.
Now that’s fast service community support and from people who it is obvious got going on supporting you even before they “smelt the coffee”–proof that was I was one of the above. I called us firedoglake pubs as opposed to pups!
thanks to Rayne for the copying and for everyone else for ignoring my typo.
And now to make that coffee to go along with “light, fluffy, and rich pancakes,” a recpie from the NYT (The minimalist, 12/24/06 for those with subscriptions)
Now that I think about it, it might as well be a recipe for the NYT. Light, fluffy, for the rich
Except when publishing Rich, of course.
Happy Sunday pups, and especially Ixnay’s pup.
I just emailed the omega oils info (Boston1775 @ 464) to a loved one.
If I hadn’t watched Vince Neil of Motley Crue do the chicken dance I might have missed this potentially useful information!
dear hearts, all –
thanks for the support. I am more than grateful that this wonderful community is here. Working on the omega-3 info.
Onward, and excelsior!
ixnay
It’s part of his punishment for taking a life as a drunk driver.
- Tom
newspaperbrat @ 437
Yeah, I’m Red Sox Hall of Famer Rico Petrocelli … in my dreams … *g*
I am a simple yogi living in Toronto and Cricket is more my thing … second only to Hockey.