We’ve had an extraordinary week of leaked candor about the catastrophic state of US foreign policy under the Bush/Cheney regime, predictably followed by Presidential denials that al Qaeda is back and blatant propaganda that we’re making “satisfactory” progress on the few Iraq benchmarks that are virtually meaningless. The White House, which has always confused inflexible standards and testing with genuine education and wisdom, has been reduced to giving out report cards on itself that translate to “improvement needed” on everything that really matters.
But the reality based assessments dominated the news. First it was the intelligence community’s pre-denial assessment that al Qaeda has been allowed to regroup along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border to become as threatening as ever, both for Europe and possibly the US. The obvious conclusion is that the President’s six year global war on terror is not only an abject failure but a growing threat to our security.
Then there were the pre-spin reports about the virtual absence of any meaningful progress in achieving the objectives of the US troop surge. And Thursday Bob Woodward released his history of intelligence briefings the CIA gave the Iraq Study Group last fall, briefings that revealed what Condi Rice described as “the dark assessment” that security conditions had so deteriorated as to be "irretrievable," while the al Maliki government was so inherently ineffectual, that there was virtually nothing the US could do to make things turn out right in Iraq. That sobering assessment was reaffirmed this week by Stephen Biddle's op-ed explaining why the only realistic but unavoidably awful choices had narrowed to “go deep” or “get out,” since staying the course had become increasingly untenable and morally dubious.
We are left with the unspoken and unspeakable conclusion that the real rationale for keeping so many U.S. soldiers in harm’s way – in the middle of Iraq’s irreconcilable sectarian and civil wars -- is that they serve as our national punishment for the inexcusable blunder our government made in invading and occupying Iraq and opening this pandora’s box in the first place.
By their unanimous vote for Senator Webb's amendment to give our troops a break between hellish deployments, the Democrats in Congress clearly sense the moral hazard of asking our soldiers to pay an undeserved penalty for the blunders of their leaders. The President and his Senate supporters showed their true colors in providing (with Lieberman) the 41 votes needed to obstruct Webb's proposal, the only genuine "support the troops" measure before them.
Yet even that is not as shameful as having deliberately misidentified and conflated our multiple opponents in Iraq as the same al Qaeda that flew planes into the Twin Towers, as the President did again Thursday. What is incomprehensible is that Democrats who should know better have allowed this President to maneuver them into agreeing to leave combat forces in Iraq indefinitely to fight these terrorists, even though it is doubtful that most of those we're fighting want any more than to get us out of their country; there is scant evidence that they identify with Osama bin Laden or his aims.
Despite Thursday's 223-201 House vote for "redeployment," much of the current debate in Congress is deeply dishonest. The Senate is considering various proposals, all of which agree to keep an unspecified number of combat forces in Iraq for "limited" purposes (including counterterrorism), but there is no basis for assuming this President will implement such ambiguous language in good faith. No matter what we do, it is foolhardy to leave any further planning and execution to this President, whose lack of competence and candor in dealing with dark truths seems boundless. Allowing the decision to be manipulated behind the scenes by Vice President Cheney and his neocon minions who championed but are still in denial about their fiasco would require an act of collective, national insanity.
To avoid extreme cognitive dissonance, it will be tempting to do the next least upsetting thing and decide not to decide. Congress seems likely to enact some deceptive proposal that adopts the rhetoric of withdrawal but allows the President to continue doing what we’re doing now with as many troops as we can sustain, because we can’t face the consequences of doing anything different. In the meantime, the Republicans and their neocon allies will continue to delude themselves into hoping the American people will not figure out or remember who got them into this awful dilemma, and Democrats will bet that no one can see through the sham.
I fear we will stay in Iraq, not because it makes any sense, not because there is even a remote connection between staying and the furtherance of any justifiable US strategic objective in that region, and certainly not because it helps deal with radical terrorism when it so plainly exacerbates it. No, we will stay because to do otherwise would require our leaders and the media to acknowledge their collective responsibility for the suffering we have unleashed on the Iraqis and our own soldiers. Has any nation ever managed in its own time such painful self recognition?
Staying the course, even under the dishonest guise that it represents a “consensus” rather than a moral quagmire is not a defensible policy. Rather, it is an implicit punishment imposed on the hundreds or perhaps thousands of US soldiers who will yet die or be maimed to atone for the errors of everyone who first authorized or still promotes and sanctions this war. But there is no prospect that George Bush or his Libby-loving supporters in Congress will agonize one minute over this, let alone insist he use his authority to commute the infinitely excessive sentences inflicted on our soldiers, who did no more than obey their Commander in Chief. And it will all be sold as “supporting the troops.”
Photo credit: Larry Downing/Reuters: Bush at press conference
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zunoed? Caw-Caw!
We’re supposed to believe that Al Queda moved into Iraq and that was the plan all along. Now we have to fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.
As long as Bush keeps lying about what our goals and ambitions are in Iraq, it’s pretty tough to argue with him. At least the media (finally) seems willing to call him out on this Al Queda in Iraq bullshit.
There is simply a complete disconnect between what Bush says and what the actual mission given to our troops is.
I think I’ll go back downstairs & bring my WaPoo post up here where it’s more relevant.
So that’s what the “twirling, twirling in the widening gyre” icon means!!
In other words, the war’s been over.
Instead, the troops are being held hostage as political collateral.
And somebody I spoke with this week inferred we were unbalanced here at FireDogLake; if holding 130,000 Americans hostage for political reasons isn’t unbalanced, I don’t know what is.
GeorgeSimian @ 2
Ask anyone who asserts this viewpoint what the effect of this reasoning is on innocent Iraqi women and children. Make them tell you that America’s innocent lives are worth more than Iraqi innocent lives. Then tell them you have proof their wrong and that they should go look in that Bible that they believe is literally true. It’s most likely located in their nightstand drawer under the porn and sex toys.
I still think that one of the main reasons we are still in Iraq is because it makes it much more difficult to impeach Bush while we’re at war. It would be so easy for the Repugs to paint that as leaving the troops without leadership.
Scarecrow writes:
And from long experience, the obvious conclusion is usually the correct conclusion.
EPU’d. Re the “stalemate” [i.e. Republicans suddenly “rediscovering” the filibuster] that won’t let us out of this war. Oh, and thanks, WaPoo, for not pointing that out in the story.
If anyone can locate this photo & find a way to link it, it’s worth sending around the Tubes.
boxer @ 6
Most won’t defend that argument. Most people who support(ed) this stupid war first claim that the press has exaggerated the number of Iraqi deaths, and then say that Hussain killed that many every year. It’s a bullshit argument, but they get so red in the face that you begin to see why they come from the red states.
we were unbalanced here at FireDogLake;
occasionally tipsy, maybe…
and leaning to the left, to me, does not constitute ‘unbalanced’.
Rayne @ 5
It gives George lots of bodies to hide behind.
Rayne at 5 — What is worse, the supply lines have been increasingly attacked both from the Baghdad airport road, and across the south from Basra north to Baghdad. Bridges have been taken out, and rebuilding has proved difficult in some cases. If this escalates, our soldiers are in even worse shape — and, according to what Lugar was saying yesterday in the Senate, we have no real plan to deal with that. He’s offering an amendment to the defense bill currently on the floor to require that the Bush Administration start doing planning for exit and/or retreat because they currently have no real plan.
If that isn’t infuriating, I don’t know what is. That’s unconscionable for our soldiers, and dangerous. Steve Gilliard has been talking about the lack of contingency planning for years — the fact that GOP Senators are just now requiring some discussion of accountability on this is beyond maddening.
and without the ability to tell the truth - even to ourselves… i fear that not only will we be unable to leave iraq… we may find ourselves drawn in further (iran, syria, pakistan,…).
when i called my senator’s officess this week… here are a couple of the things i was told:
we’re going to be in iraq for years
if iran get’s a nuclear weapon, there’s a 50/50 chance they will use it and a 100% chance they will give it to terrorists like hezbullah.
if jr. & shooter had any moral compass at all, they would both resign immediately.
they have shamed our country and our people.
their actions have caused/ARE causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
their sense of personal responsibility is incomprehensible, missing in action.
“Sixty eight percent of Republicans don’t believe in evolution. On the other hand, only five percent of monkeys believe in Republicans.”
—Stephen Colbert ~ LINK
Sorry - I got distracted and dashed off a post at my blog. More reports about the rising rates of sever and distressing symptoms of mental illness in active duty and deployed troops. The rate of that in National Guard troops is now 49%
The Army medical corps has been trying to recruit 200 more psychiatrists, without success, and the returning troop mental illness and traumatic brain injury rate is now close to 40%. These are mostly lifelong health problems, and they come with a very high price in rates of broken marriages, violence, suicides, joblessness, homelessness, substance abuse (self-medicating).
And do you know where over half of inpatient psychiatric care is located here in the US? Prisons.
To keep those troops there is clear abuse.
they have shamed our country and our people.
their actions have caused/ARE causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
as Helen Thomas pointed out to the president yesterday, bless her heart.
To paraphrase:
“Mr. president, don’t you realize that YOU started this war? that YOU are responsible for the deaths of thousands and the displacement of million, the YOU are responsible for the presence of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, and that YOU can end this war?”
I think what we have, as the former several times Governor of the great state of New Mexico once said, is a Box of Pandoras.
What a terrible and tragic mess beyond all repair.
I guess we are fighting them over there so we can fight them over here.
great writing, scarecrow. it needs to be on the front page of the NYT, WaPo and the LA Times.
selise, you’re in Connecticut. i’m guessing you called Dodd, not Lieberwurst. if his staff really believe what they told you the future is looking grim.
Never.
The media, w/television in the lead of course, hides the war quite effectively here in the U.S. For every Baghdad E.R. that airs on tv there is an ocean of bloodless, sanitized sound bite news obscuring America’s view of the fumbling & slaughter that is the Iraq war.
Scarecrow, this is a disturbing and distressing post. I can never be ashamed to be an American, but your words are taking me damn close.
To have done as little as I have to change things (and honestly, part of that IS out of my hands) makes me feel almost an enabler…
_MS
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
On CNN last night, Anderson Cooper ?? was interviewing a General in Iraq (not Petraeus) and asked whether it was safe to travel the road between the airport and downtown Baghdad — the General said he travels it all the time — in an armored convoy, but he also saw some civilian cars. Note that he didn’t travel in those cars. And I doubt the Generals travel by that road if they can get a chopper.
fahrender @ 20
i’m in MA… and i didn’t identify which senator’s office because it was just the person i was transferred to (not the senator or an official statement).
I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that in order to save healthcare costs (Bush is planning to REDUCE the spending on veterans healthcare funding beginning in 2009) that he is redeploying the troops until they are killed off for the maximum possible health savings. Analogous to uninsurability for a pre-existing condition: the pre-existing condition being the deployments which caused mental illness and traumatic brain injuries.
Actually, I think that was a good vote in the House. It was almost entirely on party lines, all except 5 Democrats voting for withdrawal, and ALL the Republicans voting against withdrawal. It makes it clear where the parties stand, even if the language is mushy on the details. Here’s the roll call:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll621.xml
I want to see how the Senate votes. In the past, a sizeable number of Democrats have voted with the Republicans to kill any meaningful withdrawal bill.
bg @ 19
What a tragic & funny phrase, all at once.
From below:
Phylter:
The Golden Rule is actually a remarkably widespread guideline. All major religions and many minor religions include some variation of it.
“What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary.”
(Hillel, Talmud, Shabbath 31a)
Nequals1 @ 25
Questionable Treatment for Some Iraq Heroes
a draft would wake people up.
but mostly i think we aren’t leaving, ever.
welcome to the new american century.
and yes, it is immoral.
Why is “redeploy”used in context of bringing troops out of harm’s way? I don’t get it.
Deploy means to spread out or place troops somewhere as part of a military operation,right? The re part of redeploy would mean doing that again. So I don’t get how the word redeploy applies to troops being taken out of combat.
Our punishment for our sin of invasion, indeed. This is from Lincoln’s Second Inaugural:
selise @ 24
sorry about the mistake on location. i don’t think it matters whether the opinion was official or not, if that’s the way staff put it chances are it reflects what the higher ups think. the tendency is for staff to put on the most positive spin regardless of what the actual beliefs are.
I saw (Nightline the other night) about the discharges for personality disorders. With no health care. None.
The number of these is 22,000???
JFC. There is no justification. This, in itself, is so morally bankrupt. Not to mention the other costs. Incredible.
Lou Costello @ 29
Absolutely, Lou. There is a two-pronged pitchfork approach being taken: deny disability based on bogus pre-existing condition determinations (that gets the veteran booted from VA care and left on his or her own) and refusing to label the soldier as unfit for duty - so he stays active and gets redeployed with active symptoms of mental illness/ traumatic brain injury. The military is hanging on to every living and breathing soldier, and if it can get by with cutting many loose by denying duty-related disability, all the better for cost savings.
Bearpaw @ 28
The Golden Rule is actually a remarkably widespread guideline. All major religions and many minor religions include some variation of it.
“What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary.”
(Hillel, Talmud, Shabbath 31a)
i guess the Palestinians aren’t considered neighbors ………
fahrender @ 33
i agree that it is likely (although disclaimers of n=1 should apply) that a junior staff (or intern) is likely to reflect the statements of the more senior people. that’s why i shared.
Scarecrow:
“Has any nation ever managed in its own time such painful self recognition?”
You state the ugly truth with this rhetorical question.
masaccio:
Apt quote of Lincoln, but you omit an earlier sentence, which has relevance to the prior thread: “Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered.” I love that lofty “snark”.
oops
The media show us that we have a government of anonymous pessimists, furtive skeptics, and public optimists. What a disgusting display. Call it human nature or organizational dynamics, but it’s inexcusable when lives are at stake.
We are dominated by a few patently crazy leaders, who are supported by a vast array of usually silent accomplices. While Gibbering George breaks out the fingerpaints to depict the world as he sees it, the government’s offices and outposts are still full of people who know better, even after those who showed some integrity have been put out. These accomplices are whispering and whining now that the chickens coming home to roost, but they have got to speak up now. They can’t help us or themselves if we have to wait to read the truth in their memoirs.
I think that a few of them might stick their heads out if we could just throw some rocks through their windows. If the news media and legislators were to hold government agencies responsible for the administration’s utterances, how would these cowering functionaries react?
I would like to see reporters and legislators quiz every agency on the validity of the administration’s Iraq report. If they had to go on the record in support of this bullshit, wouldn’t at least some of them balk?
Here’s Unholy Joe and his co-conspirators in the ongoing massacre of US troops and Iraqi civilians.
Dirty, dirty Joe.
-GSD
anangryoldbroad @ 31
in this situation it just means to move them.
fahrender @ 36
I’m sure many atheists and many of my fellow agnostics ignore the Golden Rule too, when it’s more convenient to do so. When speaking of other people’s belief systems, for example.
They’re bastards, really. Hubris and ignorance at its finest. This is what blind belief in “American exceptionalism” gets you.
I used to grudgingly admire the USA (I live elsewahere).
Now, I think the country needs, somehow, to confront and experience real shame. The only problem with that is it will lead to a very rude and painful awakening, which is likely to be even more dangerous to the rest of the world.
bg @ 34
Chapter 5-13 discharge, 22,000 since 2001..no benefits and the military makes them return their enlistment bonus. Another thing “they” do is talk these kids into taking a “General discharge” ..blah..blah:…”If you take a general, we can get you out right away..if you don’t, then who knows…” So they get out on an “general”..small problem, no benefits or VA med care.
fahrender @ 41
Move them and/or change their mission.
this time is defined by the dishonesty that oozes everywhere: from the white house, of course — they lie just to keep in shape; from congress, on both sides of the aisles; from the mass media. the carpet bombing of deceit is killing this country.
saw sicko last night, and it’s only brilliant. one of the many wake-up moments in it is moore’s discussion about french society, how its people take to the streets when they are unhappy with something the government’s done or thinking of doing. and how the french politicians fear the people. unlike here, where the people fear the government.
we know how we got here. how do we get back?
dmg @ 46
Franklin and Lafayette, where are you?
Scarecrow, this is an excellent summary of another week full of revelations and disappointment. Congratulations- I already sent this to 2 friends here in Europe who are very interested in US politics, but find it extremely difficult to understand and follow by reading daily newspapers etc. Thanks.
scarecrow, as always, excellent post.
What you said here reflects what I have been thinking about for days.
I’m getting really sick and tired of hearing this endless debate, on the floors of the House and Senate, and on teevee, about how to get out, how to make things right.
It seems to simple to me that, after we get Bush out of the WH, we should apologize to the world for this disaster we have wrought and ask other nations for their input on how to best extricate ourselves from a region where we are not wanted while doing what we can to compensate Iraqis and others in the Middle East whose lives we have destroyed.
The first step towards fixing a mistake is to acknowledge that you made it. And that does not mean just saying you take responsibility. Taking responsibility includes being willing to accept the consequences of your actions and also the obligation you have to fix what you’ve broken, and acting on it. (Hear that, George?)
I wish we could just do that. It would go a long way towards healing the raw wounds of war and repairing damaged relations with other countries. We should let the international community know that, yes, we are taking responsibility and, yes, we are going to clean up our mess, when and where it is feasible, and if they would like to help, we would be ever so grateful.
However, it appears, a nation is not a humble thing. But what we need, now more than ever, is a little humility.
So there are 22,000 families, and friends and others who are aware of this outrage and are having to deal with it on their own. I suppose it is such a nightmare to try to manage this alone that no one can organize and give a larger voice to this.
It would stop recruitment. It would make it very difficult to continue this sham/scam.
These folks need a Cindy Sheehan.
Harry:
No vote, No recess.
Let’s have a real filibuster.
We are left with the unspoken and unspeakable conclusion that the real rationale for keeping so many U.S. soldiers in harm’s way – in the middle of Iraq’s irreconcilable sectarian and civil wars — is thatthey serve as our national punishment for the inexcusable blunder of electing Bush in the first place.
I think that one thing that could change the situation would be if someone stood up against the idea that civil war is inevitable if our troops withdraw. The people saying that there will be chaos and spreading war are the same people who got us in there in the first place and the people who have an interest in our troops staying there.
There is no way to predict what will happen. And there’s no reason why our troops -in much smaller numbers- couldn’t just enforce the borders to stop Turkey and Iran from going in there.
The Iraq report is deeply intellectually dishonest. I read it yesterday, it was linked by CNN, but I cannot find it now at home.
The first part is “context”, including a discussion of the major contributions to violence of Syria, which is sending 50-80 suicide bombers a month, and of course, Iran, which merits a couple of paragraphs.
Then there is the definition of “satisfactory”, which is discussed by Fred Kaplan in Slate (per Wigwam in the LLN thread) as follows:
harriet meirs conscience @ 49
Ye gods, yes.
It strikes me GWBush is like Paul Reiser’s character in Aliens, a hapless fuckup who gets everybody killed in service of his corporate masters.
In a perfect world, he will meet the same fate, at least metaphorically. But then, in a perfect world Republicans in this iteration would not exist and he’d never have been nominated, much less considered.
We are truly through the looking glass: Lieberman votes to ensure fifth, maybe sixth deployments for our soldiers and there is barely a wrinkle on the news. Some guy likes to put on a diaper, and too many people believe in their “hearts” that he’s the one headed for hell.
TPM remids us: Where’s that War Czar when we need him?
Is there any reason why the Dems have not hammered, absolutely hammered, the Republicans on voting against the Webb Amendment?
What am I missing here?
Why aren’t they all over the airwaves and news asking: WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE THE TROOPS??
The REAL unspeakable conclusion that the real rationale for keeping so many U.S. Soldiers in harms way is that the NeoCons and Israel have not yet completed their aims, namely a full fledged attack on Iran.
Thank you, scarecrow, for your clear thoughts on this.
harriet meirs conscience @ 49
Humility is a classic virture (referring to previous Scarecrow thread). And yes, it would be prudent. But I wonder if the people aren’t demonstrating much more humility than is ever conveyed by the media.
Scarecrow,
That’s about the best piece I have ever read from you. Thank you for putting it up.
eCAHNomics @ 57
Honestly, that came to mind yesterday. I was starting to wonder if I just dreamed it all. Haven’t heard a peep about him since he came on board. WTF?
In the near future, the slang for “abject failure” will be “pulled a Bush”.
Scarecrow, I hope you consider sending some of your writing to the op-ed editors of the big newspapers, and certainly the one in your neck of the woods. This particular topic may hit too close to home for them, but your pieces are so ready for prime time that even the Fred Hiatts of the world may have to think twice before refusing them.
“No, we will stay because to do otherwise would require our leaders and the media to acknowledge their collective responsibility for the suffering we have unleashed on the Iraqis and our own soldiers.”
“Despite Thursday’s 223-201 House vote for “redeployment,” much of the current debate in Congress is deeply dishonest.”
I support the troops. I do not support the Congress in it’s efforts at dereliction of duty. And apparently a strong majority of Americans feel the same way.
Support our soldiers. Bring them all home.
fionbarr @ 59
As indicated by the recent unanimous vote in the senate for a bill sponsored by Leiberman paving the way to another immoral, aggressive war against Iran.
hmmm, how to explain Leiberman’s great sway over his colleagues on issues like this?
charley @ 30
All talk of atheism aside, I do believe there is a special hell for neocons.
At the point of death, they will experience all the pain and suffering they have caused as if they actually had the hearts they were missing while walking this earth.
And that would be hell.
GSD @ 41
there’s another really interesting group of photos on the link you provided. scroll down to the thing on fuckwad speaking in Cleveland. notice how the faces change expression when he starts talking about Iraq. i have never seen such distrustful expressions, ever.
Nequals1 @ 61
Well, I was really talking about our “leaders.”
The DC Madams story perhaps ?
Polls show decisively that the American people ’see through’ the President, the Congress, the Republicans and my party, the Democrats. Most in this little tawdry group of politicians is anything but disingenuous.
GeorgeSimian @ 7
The reasonable — and at this point, easy-to-sell — response would be to reply that the troops have no leadership with him in office, and that’s another excellent reason to get rid of him.
Yes. They are nowhere in any orbit remotely close to humility. But if the people are experiencing humility, they can demand it of the leaders. Sorry I was so obtuse, and your point is important.
‘We are left with the unspoken and unspeakable conclusion that the real rationale for keeping so many U.S. soldiers in harm’s way – in the middle of Iraq’s irreconcilable sectarian and civil wars — is that they serve as our national punishment for the inexcusable blunder our government made in invading and occupying Iraq and opening this pandora’s box in the first place.’
I fear that is how our history is going to play out. At some point down the line a historian will show how it was an inevitable consequence of certain flaws in our national character. Exceptionalism, indeed.
LindaR @ 56
Naahh. He has already repented and asked the Lord’s forgiveness, so he ain’t goin’ to hell.
I’m basically a fundamentalist. I do not take exception to many of the misconceptions out there as to what fundamentalists are. That is not my point here, and I won’t argue it.
To my way of thinking it is just a student of the Christian Bible. There are other fundamentalists as well, of other beliefs and religions, but for my purposes here I will just discuss the Christian version.
One of the many things I have learned over the years, aside from the fact that God in Heaven is love, and His house has many mansions, is that there are two gods (I would be happy to provide scriptural proof of this for anyone that doesn’t believe this). There is a God in Heaven and a god of this world.
Which one do you think talks to George? Or rather, which one do you think George listens to?
Nequals1 @ 74
Thanks, yes, I understand what you mean. Frankly, in my neck of the woods, I still don’t see much progress in terms of people acknowledging what we’ve done, however, or feeling remorseful about it.
If you know some people who are that sentient, I envy you! :)
Scarecrow, you are so eloquent, and your message is so important. I appreciate being able to read your opinions and analysis here, as I am of the other authors on this site. What I hope is that the readership takes heed. Even on my own D list blog, this morning the HHS, CDC and Army were all visitors, as was the NYTimes at a post written especially for MSM response. The House and the Senate, and even the OVP were there earlier in the week (as well as the NSA most likely). As a private citizen writing letters to the editor of local newspapers, I could never have reached those entities prior to blogging.
But the point is that your message is getting to a much broader audience than in the days of snail mail and discrete readerships of single news and opinion entities. With multiple bloggers and commenter, your messages are amplified and carried exponentially farther and deeper. I hope there’s a synergistic effect from your writing. That give me hope where otherwise I think I would be mostly despairing.
peterboy says:
July 13th, 2007 at 7:29 am
Harry:
No vote, No recess.
Let’s have a real filibuster.
The idea of a three week (?) recess while the “war” continues is abhorrent.
I would like to see signs waiting for the congresscritters when they return saying, e.g. “326 American Soldiers died while you were on vacation”.
karnak12 @ 77
Huh?
Bearpaw @ 72
You’re right, but judging from recent history I can’t imagine that working.
harriet meirs’ conscience @ 77
The progressive blogosphere!
Steve-AR @ 45
I read that after being encouraged to accept this “deal”, they are stuck with a debt to the military- often quite substantial.
Thank you for these 2 great posts, Scarecrow. CAW CAW
There are rare occasions these days when I can say ‘is this a great country, or what?’ Know why? Because we’ve got soldiers who will to do the job. And no less important, once again the Americn people, on Iraq and a host of other issues are ahead of the curve. And the politicians. And the MSM.
karnak12 @ 76
Actually, I think he listens to two gods. 1) The god in the office down the hall with the sign on the door that says “Deputy White House Chief of Staff for Strategic Planning”. 2) The god who hangs out in the United States Naval Observatory (and various “undisclosed locations”.)
As far as actual deities go, I doubt he’s given the matter much thought.
It’s like being caught in a pandemic of increasingly bad ideas, the underlying causes for some of them we can’t seem to address without a flood of raw emotion being generated. But some of the most virulent symptoms may be moderated, such as the present Iraq situation but it will take some strong medicine administered by someone very determined. And it won’t be without a cost. How you treat the general lack of empathy, ethics, and compassion that can be explored as we arrest the most destructive element of this problem. I’ll shut up now.
It may be a little “deep” for the ordinary pundits but as we all lament the Bush family and its cohorts, I would suggest that the answer in improving things lies first in deciding who will not improve things and then who can improve things. Who will not improve things are the Mary Beth Cahills and Mark Penns and Rove and theirs such as Kerry, Gore, the Clintons and Bush. These people are not smart enough to get anything any of any substance done in a positive way. They are smart enough to get themselves elected to various positions with the current media and that makes them dangerous.
We need some incongruity in a national politician who can see the angles, the open and closed paths and play them for our benefit. One example of such a person is James Webb.
GWBush can’t possibly really believe in any god at all. A person who believes in gravity does not, unless pursuing suicide, jump off the Foresthill Bridge.
That was a brilliant and scathing summary of the current situation, Scarecrow. Did your keyboard burst into flame as soon as your finished typing? Wow! And thanks!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
Sorry, Christy, missed your comment, had to run an errand.
But you’re right, those of us in the reality-based community have been fretting about fighting our way out for some time. Without a commitment to building an exit plan, it’s deja vu.
Helicopters on the rooftops, shades of Vietnam.
Maybe that’s the real reason they built such a mofo big embassy — for a monster-sized helipad. It’s not good for much else. [/cynic]
Bearpaw @ 86
It is a spiritual matter, and they are there whether he thinks about them or not. And I agree with you - thinking is not George’s strong suit.
Someone commented on how staff goes along with bosses no matter how they feel. It’s a common hierarchical phenomenon. I wonder how many Pakistani soldiers sympathized with the occupiers of the Red Mosque yet shot them anyhow. I wonder if it will come to that here.
I recently watched US v. John Lennon. Lennon goes to the heart of the matter when he states, “Our country is being runned by insane people for insane objectives.” See trailer
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NqHwF3vFbkc
At the time, Lennon was a british citizen who had the guts to take on the US Government and lead americans in protest against the war. At the time Nixon, Halderman, and J. Edgar Hoover tried to deport him.
fionbarr
It seems like he holds both carrots and sticks, the presence of which outsiders can only infer.
Most (D)’s have conniptions at the mention of third party politics, and here is Joe (I) Conn, Comittee chair, sponsoring a unanimously passed bill fomenting another war…
Is the left-wing split? Between staying in Iraq or leaving?
Fresh thread, up and running.
snowyegret @ 83
They have to return the signing bonus, thousands of dollars and possibly other types of pay bonuses. A lot of the people are 19, 20, 21 yrs old, psychologically and possibly physically damaged, dumped back onto their families, with a “thanks..see ya..oh btw we want the $10,000 signing bonus back.”
Christy’s upstairs with a new thread.
Bob in WI
IMHO, Vitter deserves divine retribution not because of kinkiness (diapers? Ye gods) but because of his flaming hypocrisy, which gives a bad name to real Christians–and to all real follwers of God, I dare say. However, Diaper Guy pales in comparison to Darth Smirky and Darth Snarly. Yet people I work with (and for) think Chimpco is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will rant about Bill & Monica unless I stop them. I try to be charitable, but I can’t help hoping such folks will find out to their immense sorrow that Chimpco is not God’s kingdom on earth after all.
scarecrow you are 100% right.americans lacked the morral intigrety to keep us out of Iraq in the first place so I wonte hold my breath waiting for our leaders to do the right thing now.
Over the last several days, I have seen Holy Joe either at press conferences with the Repugs or on the Senate floor, spouting. His current meme is ‘if we leave Iraq, we’ll be conceding defeat to al Qaeda and Iran’. He actually says al Qaeda will take over Iraq. Al Qaeda in Iraq, which is NOT al Qaeda, does not have a snowball’s chance in hell of taking over Iraq.
I get so angry I’m sometimes tempted to throw something heavy into the TV screen. Between that and his handling (not) of Katrina recovery oversight, the leadership needs to dump this d**kwad.
Meanwhile, as an afterthought, if we leave Iran alone, the citizenry is on the verge of solving any problems we have with their leadership. A popular uprising is in the air, if we don’t unite them with their leadership against us.
harriet meirs’ conscience@ 68
If only we could impeach the Cheney within us all. Sometimes we forget that the world is a stage and we all play our parts. It doesn’t matter if you believe in God or not. Love is God regardless of what any creature thinks or believes.
I was watching this film called “The Secret” the other day. It’s essentially a self help piece dressed up to look all mysterious like “The Da Vinci Code” or “The Celestine Prophecy.” But it did make one very good point.
Wanna really phuque up Dick Cheney’s sh!t? Let everyone go out every day for a week and do two acts of kindness in his name. It’ll give him brain freeze.
Compassion as a weapon?
Iraq was ruled by brutality and an iron hand before we arrived.
Iraq will be ruled by brutality and an iron hand after we leave.
There is no logical formulation or acceptable political arrangement that would allow for the U.S. and the future ruling force, emphasize ‘force’, to combine in the required brutality to bring Iraq under control.
If the Shiites can’t dominate Iraq on their own, then let the Sunnis crack heads and reestablish their police state.
Technically, geopolitically, we would be better off.
eCAHNomics @ 81
The problem with Fundamentalism is that it is based on an assumption. My answer is neither. George only hears the madness within himself. He talks to his own distorted, twisted ego. Much like Hitler.
Clear, excellent (though gloomy) writing scarecrow. I’m forwarding it to everyone I know. I’m overwhelmed at times by the shear volume of bullshit we’re being force fed by our glorious leaders. Articles like yours remove the tube.
brendan @ 38
And the answer is, well, sometimes, sort of. It’s worth remembering that the Vietnam War came to an end partly because leaders in Congress took action to end it; they essentially defunded it.
Let’s see … the Justice Department is corrupt, so’s the White House. Most of the rest of the executive branch is, too, but I digress. Why can’t the Dems in Congress just hit their funding? Probably against traditions of comity, etc., but it seems to me we’re way past the point where that should matter. And cutting funding is clearly the only way Congress will end the Iraq War before 2009.
Until the Democratic House gets truly serious about using its power of the purse, we’re just spinning our wheels. The current regime doesn’t respect the rule of law, but they need our money to operate. And Congress, so far, has continued to appropriate it.
aren’t we staying for the oil, the ‘petroleum bill’, and the profiteering?
I am sad and angry every day about this, but all the talk here is of morality, conscience, human toll, etc.
The people who went to war had none of these things in mind and still don’t. It’s about money, power, the non-fungible nature of oil reserves (thank you Juan Cole), profit, and profit.
I have wrung my hands about this whole enterprise for a long time, and then I remind myself that every time I engage my mind on the smokescreen, that I am being a fool. Democracy, al quaeda, domestic safety, bush’s ego, mismanagement, failure to plan, every one is a distraction.
Tomdispatch covered the topics that aren’t covered in the news. not in his order, necessarily:
1- permanent bases
2- mercenaries
3- air power/bombing cities we occupy.
put this together with the push for the petroleum bill. (why is it called that?) Why not call it the OIL Law? (to shake people from the conclusion that it was about the oil? I find myself repeating the newspeak…)
Why doesn’t the war end? Pride? Politics? Ineffectiveness? Sadly, I believe we are not leaving Iraq b/c we cannot control the country or its resources if we leave. (arguably we’re having a tough time anyway, but this is about why-not-leaving).
OIL
–>money
–>power
oh, and who likes crude oil at $70/barrel? Why change that? It’s great for profits. It all makes sense if you are cynical enough to look at it from the other side. The dark side. Civil war means we can’t leave. So civil war is good.
This is one of the most powerful posts I have read in a long time.
And Sen. Hutchison was on NewsHour last night repeating the W’s goal to be successful in Iraq. Has anyone heard it said what “success” would actually be? Bush says we are getting there, but all I have seen is butchery. When he was talking yesterday about succeeding in Iraq, he did not come close to saying what he had in mind (oxymoron) or in view.
Scarecrow,
Maybe you may want to comment… http://gorillasguides.com/2007.....-paleface/
I’ve just sent Scarecrow’s analysis to my Republican senators and representative, asking them to consider it before taking any further action - and have we come to this? Doubt it will do any good but others might consider doing the same.