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		<title>By: disgusted</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-821063</link>
		<dc:creator>disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can we hold this CLOWN accountable even after he is out of office for CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, him and the GUTLESS,SPINELESS, COWARD and TRAITOR cheney. This is to include the lock step obstructionist of the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE. There denial and the denial from this TALKING MONKEY and the FOOLS in this administration are CRIMINAL, can we pursue this even when they are out of office, myself I do not see why not they are criminals and should be Prosecuted no matter how long it takes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we hold this CLOWN accountable even after he is out of office for CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, him and the GUTLESS,SPINELESS, COWARD and TRAITOR cheney. This is to include the lock step obstructionist of the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE. There denial and the denial from this TALKING MONKEY and the FOOLS in this administration are CRIMINAL, can we pursue this even when they are out of office, myself I do not see why not they are criminals and should be Prosecuted no matter how long it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Furious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819987</link>
		<dc:creator>Furious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In Washington yesterday, George W. Bush encountered what might be deemed the “reverse Chicken Little moment” of his presidency. That is, Americans have simply stopped believing his perpetual claims of sunny skies to come in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the four year history of Bush’s favorite Iraq talking point, see:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000676.htm&quot;&gt;“‘We’re Making Progress’ - Bush’s History of Iraq.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Washington yesterday, George W. Bush encountered what might be deemed the “reverse Chicken Little moment” of his presidency. That is, Americans have simply stopped believing his perpetual claims of sunny skies to come in Iraq.</p>
<p>For the four year history of Bush’s favorite Iraq talking point, see:<br />
<b><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000676.htm">“‘We’re Making Progress’ &#8211; Bush’s History of Iraq.”</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819959</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-819510&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayackroyd @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No. They’re saying “Start impeachment hearings or shut up.”  And, at this point, why not? In for a penny, in for a pound.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s still too early for impeachment of Bush. The moment it becomes possible then you’ll see Rove, er Bush, change his tune and these SCOTUS challenges will disappear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d say it’s time to build the pressure on Cheney, but that will take some time and in that time more Repub Senators will have to drop Bush like a hot potato.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An extended debate/filibuster in the Senate will help to clarify that issue too. How many will stick with McConnell and Bush on some legislation the public would really like to have made into law?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Bush wants to test his SCOTUS support on this bogus Tillman issue. I mean, what possible presidential involvement could there have been with Tillman?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-819510"><em>jayackroyd @ 85</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.</i></p>
<p>No. They’re saying “Start impeachment hearings or shut up.”  And, at this point, why not? In for a penny, in for a pound.</p>
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<p>It’s still too early for impeachment of Bush. The moment it becomes possible then you’ll see Rove, er Bush, change his tune and these SCOTUS challenges will disappear.</p>
<p>I’d say it’s time to build the pressure on Cheney, but that will take some time and in that time more Repub Senators will have to drop Bush like a hot potato.</p>
<p>An extended debate/filibuster in the Senate will help to clarify that issue too. How many will stick with McConnell and Bush on some legislation the public would really like to have made into law?</p>
<p>Maybe Bush wants to test his SCOTUS support on this bogus Tillman issue. I mean, what possible presidential involvement could there have been with Tillman?</p>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819907</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good stuff, Christy!   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Why can’t the New York Times or other folks in the media say flat out that bush is lying…?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Because they know damn well that this whole nightmare-on-Pennsylvania-Avenue is hanging by a thread, and the ramifications for when it breaks, are going to be profound for corporate amerika and for the lovers-of-the- status-quo press who have been in bed with them; and none of them really want to see the thread broken.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which clashes with whatever vestigial instinct to tell the truth they may have left.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    The dollar is at it’s lowest point ever, against the Euro.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     Joe and Jane six-pak are opting out of the great american corporate buyathon, with a vengeance.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     The stock market is bouncing off the walls like an amphetamine-crazed ferret. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     When the MSM, and the Fortune 500, followed goatboy into the back-alley crapshoot-in-mesopotamia, they were too stupid to see what they were getting into.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     Now that the shitbirds are coming back to roost, the MSM wants; NEEDS!  to describe them as cooing doves, who just need to be welcomed back, and pleasegod, let’s don’t talk about who released them, and who cheered them on, as they headed for Iraq, 4-plus years ago. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     The press IS starting to come around some, and it’s a yardstick of just how fucked up things are, and of how helpless bush and his cronies are, that the MSM is about to the point that if they keep saying that there’s a clean end to this turd, that we can handle, they, too, will be good for nothing but withering scorn, and that, not from the progressives, but from middle-america.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Christy!   </p>
<p>and:  </p>
<p>“Why can’t the New York Times or other folks in the media say flat out that bush is lying…?”</p>
<p>    Because they know damn well that this whole nightmare-on-Pennsylvania-Avenue is hanging by a thread, and the ramifications for when it breaks, are going to be profound for corporate amerika and for the lovers-of-the- status-quo press who have been in bed with them; and none of them really want to see the thread broken.</p>
<p>Which clashes with whatever vestigial instinct to tell the truth they may have left.</p>
<p>    The dollar is at it’s lowest point ever, against the Euro.   </p>
<p>     Joe and Jane six-pak are opting out of the great american corporate buyathon, with a vengeance.  </p>
<p>     The stock market is bouncing off the walls like an amphetamine-crazed ferret. </p>
<p>     When the MSM, and the Fortune 500, followed goatboy into the back-alley crapshoot-in-mesopotamia, they were too stupid to see what they were getting into.  </p>
<p>     Now that the shitbirds are coming back to roost, the MSM wants; NEEDS!  to describe them as cooing doves, who just need to be welcomed back, and pleasegod, let’s don’t talk about who released them, and who cheered them on, as they headed for Iraq, 4-plus years ago. </p>
<p>     The press IS starting to come around some, and it’s a yardstick of just how fucked up things are, and of how helpless bush and his cronies are, that the MSM is about to the point that if they keep saying that there’s a clean end to this turd, that we can handle, they, too, will be good for nothing but withering scorn, and that, not from the progressives, but from middle-america.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve E</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819835</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They thought Tillman would be a perfect poster boy for their war. But then Tillman went sour on them and spoke up very courageously against it. Tillman I believe, got whacked by a contracted sniper and I believe Rumsfeld, blah, blah, blah.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They thought Tillman would be a perfect poster boy for their war. But then Tillman went sour on them and spoke up very courageously against it. Tillman I believe, got whacked by a contracted sniper and I believe Rumsfeld, blah, blah, blah.</p>
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		<title>By: fdl reader</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819758</link>
		<dc:creator>fdl reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;prostratedragon @ 157&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;right on!  I do believe that this administration is guilty of several coordinated schemes of propaganda and it is illegal and un-american but this matters about as much as the rest of their lawbreaking … which is to say not at all.  i am very concerned that america is gone.  there are way too many signs that we are living in a modern nazi state.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;peace, please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prostratedragon @ 157</p>
<p>right on!  I do believe that this administration is guilty of several coordinated schemes of propaganda and it is illegal and un-american but this matters about as much as the rest of their lawbreaking … which is to say not at all.  i am very concerned that america is gone.  there are way too many signs that we are living in a modern nazi state.</p>
<p>sorry.</p>
<p>peace, please.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819730</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-819635&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;fdl reader @ 154&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the tillman case is about nothing less than covering up a case of pure propaganda, which to me is the most disgusting, unpatriotic activity possible, equal only to the treason of destroying a vital WMD intelligence network by a leak motiivated by petty politics seeking to defend an act of presidential propaganda in a state of the union address.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh, god, i just made myself sick.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve heard that it is actually illegal for the U.S. government to propagandize its citizens. Now, obviously, the definitions of terms is key in deciding what that means, but I wonder if, in addition to the sheer fuck-you arrogance that is getting more obvious by the day, there might not be something in the docs around Tillman’s death that would stir up a legal ruckus? You might recall that in the early days around when Tillman was killed, the Rendon Group was everywhere. They were nothing if not a propaganda shop.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder, too, whether &lt;a&gt;Gates shutting down Rumsfeld’s psyops group&lt;/a&gt; today has to do with dusting up that trail. The spiel was always that the products of the shop were for manipulating the terrorists overseas, but really, how could anyone even pretend to think that stuff would be “contained?” The mendacity runs deep.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-819635"><em>fdl reader @ 154</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>the tillman case is about nothing less than covering up a case of pure propaganda, which to me is the most disgusting, unpatriotic activity possible, equal only to the treason of destroying a vital WMD intelligence network by a leak motiivated by petty politics seeking to defend an act of presidential propaganda in a state of the union address.</p>
<p>oh, god, i just made myself sick.</p>
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<p>I’ve heard that it is actually illegal for the U.S. government to propagandize its citizens. Now, obviously, the definitions of terms is key in deciding what that means, but I wonder if, in addition to the sheer fuck-you arrogance that is getting more obvious by the day, there might not be something in the docs around Tillman’s death that would stir up a legal ruckus? You might recall that in the early days around when Tillman was killed, the Rendon Group was everywhere. They were nothing if not a propaganda shop.</p>
<p>I wonder, too, whether <a>Gates shutting down Rumsfeld’s psyops group</a> today has to do with dusting up that trail. The spiel was always that the products of the shop were for manipulating the terrorists overseas, but really, how could anyone even pretend to think that stuff would be “contained?” The mendacity runs deep.</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819691</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pity the Great Manipulator:  “Progress” means that the troops can come home.  “No Progress” means that the troops ought to come home or that they should be kept forever in a meatgrinder.  What’s a conniving shyster to do?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity the Great Manipulator:  “Progress” means that the troops can come home.  “No Progress” means that the troops ought to come home or that they should be kept forever in a meatgrinder.  What’s a conniving shyster to do?</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819636</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This looks interesting:&lt;br /&gt;
July 13, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
Brits “Play Act” Indictment of Tony Blair for Iraq-Related Crimes Tomorrow on BBC&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002222.php&quot;&gt;http://www.thewashingtonnote.c.....002222.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks interesting:<br />
July 13, 2007<br />
Brits “Play Act” Indictment of Tony Blair for Iraq-Related Crimes Tomorrow on BBC<br />
<a href="http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002222.php">http://www.thewashingtonnote.c&#8230;..002222.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: fdl reader</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/13/progress/#comment-819635</link>
		<dc:creator>fdl reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the tillman case is about nothing less than covering up a case of pure propaganda, which to me is the most disgusting, unpatriotic activity possible, equal only to the treason of destroying a vital WMD intelligence network by a leak motiivated by petty politics seeking to defend an act of presidential propaganda in a state of the union address.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh, god, i just made myself sick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the tillman case is about nothing less than covering up a case of pure propaganda, which to me is the most disgusting, unpatriotic activity possible, equal only to the treason of destroying a vital WMD intelligence network by a leak motiivated by petty politics seeking to defend an act of presidential propaganda in a state of the union address.</p>
<p>oh, god, i just made myself sick.</p>
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