In case you hadn’t noticed, President Bush is tap-dancing around the “progress” message again. The fine folks at the AAEII put together this series of clips to be certain that folks like Sen. Mitch McConnell and his constitutuents are well aware of the rose-colored tap dancing.
This campaign is having an effect on folks like Sen. Susan Collins (Turncoat Joe’s BFF), who has been facing increasing pressure to change her rubber stamp stance on Iraq from her constituents and from Tom Allen — whose fundraising numbers [Thanks to so many of you!] have been fantastic this past quarter. (You can donate to the Allen campaign here.)
If you missed the Presidential press conference yesterday, Dan Froomkin has some…erm…highlights. As AJ at Americablog pointed out yesterday, the claims that the President and his new military spokesperson “Baghdad Bergner” (h/t to emptywheel for the nickname) have been making are, quite simply, false:
Anyone who claims that the so-called al Qaeda in Iraq group is the “principal threat” to anything in that nation — whether its citizens, the government, the political process, or any specific ethnic or sectarian group — is either grossly ignorant of the realities of the Iraq war or blatantly lying. I honestly have no idea which it is in this case, though it’s worth noting that the chief U.S. military spokesman, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, was employed as a Special Assistant to the President prior to his current appointment.
Most reliable estimates put the fundamentalist/jihadist/al Qaeda actors in Iraq at around 3-5% of the total insurgency, with virtually no approximations exceeding 10%. I really cannot overstate how misleading it is to focus on al Qaeda when the driving forces of the conflict are average, native, very pissed-off — but not religious fundamentalist — Iraqis. The vast majority of the Sunni population is relatively secular (more secular, in fact, than Iraqi Shia), and even tacit support of jihadists is founded in anti-American sentiment. Even the sectarian violence is fueled more by localized conflicts between Sunni and Shia families, tribes, and militias than by al Qaeda.
It is true that AQI groups commit the most spectacular attacks, including the vast majority of suicide bombings, but if the underlying problems were solved, or even addressed (including, but not limited to, oil revenue sharing, federalism, de-Ba’athification, provincial elections, etc.), AQI would lose most of its ability to operate because it would have no support on the ground.
See how simple that was? I’m with Will Bunch: why can’t the NYTimes or other folks in the media simply say flat out that Bush is lying, rather than couching it in the “great oversimplification” language? Or is that too difficult, because it would require them to own up to all that bad steno reporting in the run up to the Iraq invasion?
I have said this before, but it bears repeating:
The price of the failures of the last six years is steep. We have lost something that will be years in the regaining, if ever, and that is our national integrity. I keep going back to the basics that Dan Froomkin laid out in his Neiman piece back in February — that any of it had to be written down astonishes me, but clearly there is a desperate need for some plain-spoken common sense. Skepticism ought not be a lost art, especially in Washington, D.C., given the penchant for spin that so many within the Beltway possess. Someone’s interpretation of events is variable, depending on the perspective, but the facts themselves ought not be malleable. And we would do well to remind ourselves of that frequently.
What I would like is more reporting which lays out clearly when someone is giving personal opinion, and what is based on hard, cold fact; what is interpretive, and what is analytical; what interest or rationale is propelling the analysis, and what is behind a particular push — in short, the surrounding circumstances and the history alongside the spin, including some background on the person doing the spinning. This is what we try to do here every day, and what people do all across the blogs on both sides of the aisle — people do not get information in a vaccuum, they are sophisticated enough to know that there is context behind every parsed, focus-group-tested phrasing. What we do not need from the press is more sales pitch — instead, we would, as Sanger suggests, appreciate a bit more deconstruction. And some plain, old honesty and skepticism from the people we depend on to peer into the halls of power and report not just what they are told to say, but also what those who are doing the telling would prefer that we not know — the devil, as they say, is in the details.
Transparency in government is necessary. It is equally appreciated in reporting. It puts us all on an equal footing, trying to parse out the reality from the malfeasance which can only, in the long run, serve as a deterrent to those who would seek to use the public sphere as their own, personal ideological playground.
Wouldn’t we all like a little more candor — from our politicians and the media – and a lot less faux equivalence disguised as some sort of pretend balancing act that we are expected to swallow whole, despite the bitter aftertaste that such falsehoods leave behind?
Here’s a good place to start: what plans does the US have for a retreat from Iraq, if one becomes necessary, or for our exit when that time comes? I have this recurring nightmare based on this post that Steve Gilliard did for us a while ago (man, do I miss Steve!) about a fighting retreat. This nightmare scenario hit me again with a jolt this morning, as I was driving back from the preschool dropoff, as NPR was reporting on an amendment sponsored by Sen. Richard Lugar regarding the need for the DOD to plan for an exit strategy because he does not feel that we have one at the moment.
All this time, all these speeches about “progress,” and still the Bush Administration has not bothered to do the basic work that ought to be required before we ever send our troops into harm’s way. All. This. Time. It is not surprising, but it is infuriating nonetheless, and the word that leaps to mind, over and over again thinking about it and about the ludicrous talking points tap dance of a press conference yesterday is “liar.”
Of course, I suppose we have to consider the source…
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I think that it’s gonna be a fighting retreat even with the best of planning. Just hope there’s a bridge or two left standing.
golly tres?
Meanwhile, the NYT’s Jeff Gerth has had no problems lying about the Clintons.
One of the everlasting images of the Vietnam war was the overloaded helicopters lifting off the embassy roof with people dangling from the runners. THAT image, more than any other, is the image that has allowed the Republicans to claim the Dems lost that war and is the image that has the Dems being so fearful about standing up for the troops and themselves.
Well, we’re killin’ a bunch of people. That’s gotta be some kinda progress, right?
The news now informs me that Bush is “fortified” with “resolve” when he visits the mangled vets at Walter Reed. IOW, he gathers encouragement from his own hostages who are hoping he will improve medical care and tell him nice things so he will do that…
They’ll go out the way they came in, calling in the incredible suppressing fire capabilities of the USAF, Navy and Marine aviation, plus artillery units based in Kuwait and Iraq. They will take heavier casualties than on the way in, but even Bush hasn’t been allowed to expose the troops there to a Stalingrad or Saigon scenario. Those Iraqis who have wholeheartedly supported us won’t be nearly as “fortunate.”
If the benchmarks were considered a No Child Left Behind test, then Iraq quite obviously flunked. What’s that about the “soft bigotry of low expectations”, Mr. Bush?
EPU’d from prior thread:
“Set the Table…for Impeachment“
Send a PEACH paper plate with the Presidential Seal in the middle, plastic knife/fork/spoon and a Starlight MINT to each and every Rep and Senator…
I think the term lying is associated with a conscious will attempt at deception.
There is also the delussional type of mendacity which Bush is prone to. He lives in some weird bubble and probably really believes the crapn he spews.
Likewise I am not sure that the NYTimes, as disgusting as some of their reporters are, are not in the delussional camp where they just don’t see what tehy say as lying.. as it was just how they (their reporters like Gordon) see it.
The net effect is that it is a lie. But it is gentler to call it a mis statement or over simpification.
Lies and damn lies.
Planning for an exit strategy would be disloyal to Dear Leader, just like planning for a long occupation, or planning for a sustained insurgency, or planning for the failure of the Surge. Any planning that is contrary to Dear Leader’s Glorious Plan for Victory in Mesopotamia is disloyal and an indication of Unbelieving. And Unbelief in Dear Leader is a reason for dismissal.
So no one plans.
that video is depressing, shades of Viet Nam
btw, Tony Snow press briefing CSPAN 1
do-si-do,
IOW = ?
Elliott @ 13
programming note,
now to Ladybird’s memorial service “`
here’s another great media supported lie that i’m really tired of – pissy pants won’t leave iraq because he’s “stubborn” and “resolute” thereby coloring his idiocy with some sort of noble, if misguided, purpose. i say bull crap on that. there is far more at work here than just georgie boys ego. let’s start really looking at all the people running this war and all the ways they are MAKING MONEY OFF IT. interesting that one of the few things the iraqi government has actually managed to accomplish is to open the way for privatization of their industries. with all that money about to be there for the taking, is it any wonder that the administration won’t budge on leaving anytime soon. if legislators want to do something really radical, how about they stop with the useless votes on symbolic amendments and start doing things like capping the profits defense contractors can make.
If you want some good news, or at least some resolve, go read Glenn Greenwald today. He says that, despite our despair, we are making progress, that journalists and editors know we’re here, they’re listening, and they’re afraid of us.
Also read Peggy Noonan. It’s better if you go through TBogg first.
What may be the undoing is this: Bush keeps harping on the Murkun people being fatigued by the war when they see it on their teevees.
But there are 22,000 soldiers who were given Chapter 5-13 general discharges which denied them healthcare benefits (it declares them to have pre-existing conditions of personality disorder, cause them to lose their combat pay differentials and enlistment bonuses which have to be repaid, and gives them an expedited general discharge – not the same as a medical or honorable discharge). In other words, it says they were damaged goods to begin with, and it kicks them to the curb, deeply in debt TO the military.
Their families have something to say about the support our troops rhetoric. The 50% of national Guard troops who are returning home mentally ill and with brain injuries are going to be struggling, too. Those families have something to say. The 40% of regular and reserve troops who are coming home with mental illness and TBI’s have something to say and so do their families.
The key is to get these people in front of the cameras every single day on every single show nonstop. Make this the “next redeployment.” That will inspire the people to rise up and demand a halt.
We’re fighting an invisible battle, and these troops are paying for it all over again – but this time all of their equipment and resources have been stripped from them – they are financially ruined, can’t get even close to needed healthcare, and have lost everything – quality of life, job potential, families, time, mental health, physical health – EVERYTHING -for doing their duty.
SanderO @ 11
nah.. my view is that he’s either insane or he’s lying, consciously and with intent. How else do you explain his statements… OBL not relevant, OBL will kill your children; AQ contained and virtually defeated, AQ about to wipe us all out; will fire whoever explosed Wilson, will never fire anybody for any reason. He’s lying deliberately because he knows that the 30 second soundbyte attention-spans of the American MSM viewer allows him to get away with it.
To paraphrase Mark Twain, “Lies, Damn Lies and Sadistics.” (I’m a statistician, so I can say that)
merciless @ 17
Got a link?
Here is a great site that allows you to specify a Congressional District and then compute what that particular District has contributed to the war and what that money would have provided for the District.
http://database.nationalpriorities.org/tradeoff
Take a look. The results are astounding.
TeddySanFran @ 12
The language and the tone of your comment would be quite humorous, but for the fact that the content is probably true, and therefore tragic.
Nequals1 @ 18
I’m convinced that in shrubco’s regard, our soldiers are cannon fodder.. the flip side of his soak the rich/drown the poor economics… driven by necessity to enlist in wars started and waged by political commissars. I don’t know how else to look at it.
A plan: American troop exit from Iraq:
Drop Bush, Cheney, and Gonzo into Iraq for them to be the lead men in driving tanks to the south or western border. This will clear a path for the good Americans. That is unless B, C, and G hit road side bombs. After that, as we are air lifting the good Americans out of Iraq, have B, C, and G, if they are still able, be the last men standing in Iraq. In addition, let there be no one to refurbish B, C, and G’s families at home as they are redeployed over and over to complete this mission. Chances are there will be many, many mission changes in the process and their families will fall apart, and they will loose their businesses at home.
Nequals1 @ 18
I thought I saw something about this on TV last night, but (to my shame) I clicked right through it. Does anyone know what show that was?
Christy –
Here’s another brief news item from ThinkProgress to add to this post’s collection: Support for Bush slipping in Kansas
Christy is da bomb! And so is Dan Froomkin…
One thing that I think which bears some thought about is the fact that Iraqi people (as a collective) were, at the time of the invasion, deeply traumatized. The society was living in a state of collective rage. And anyone who knows anything about psychological trauma, would not be surprised (just look at the child abuse stats in the US prison population) that when the US invaded, the rage-lid blew off.
It was so beyond f*cking stupid to invade that country. This should be pointed out, and harped upon repeatedly.
The veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan need to be on the tubes and featured everywhere. That’s something all of us can do – hold welcome home rallies. Set up community support networks. Take photos, and put them on blogs. Send captioned photos which show how the vets. are struggling to reassimilate in society (at unemployment lines, in clinics, at hospitals, at food pantries, etc).
We need to put a face to the light of the veterans’, and there is no prohibition on taking photos of veterans unlike the black out of photos of coffins.
The country responds to what it sees. it doesn’t see veterans struggling back home. It doesn’t hear about vets., and because we are so efficient at ostracizing and segregating the “unlovely” no one even know that they exist, let alone are suffering.
Raw Story: Pentagon kills Rumsfeld ‘propaganda’ unit
The Ch 5-13 story was on ABC News.
old gold @ 22
That is an awesome website and resource. I encourage FDL writers to refer to these stats frequently.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 30
NIIIIICE.
Raw Story developing headline: ‘Executive privilege’ used to hold up Tillman docs: Soon…
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 27
Bush (and Rove) will explain to the Senator that you can’t wage a war based on polls. This is their standard talking point in response to the overwhelming revulsion on the part of Americans toward this war, and towards Bush. Anyone who turns against Dear Leader’s Excellent Mesopotamian Adventure is driven by the polls, a fundamentally dishonest way for a politician in Washington to conduct him- or herself.
Oh, and — wake me when Pat Roberts votes against his President’s wishes. Until then, they are all on the John Doolittle “my words were misinterpreted” bus, speaking like peaceniks but voting for the war.
Talk is cheap. Votes matter.
sofistic @ 20
Nit-picking alert.
It was Benjamin Disraeli who said the quote which you skewer.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
WTF???
The Dems in congress need to go ballistic and seek out a constitutional crisis. Even if it is shot down in the courts (for now), it is the kind of thing which could finally drive people into the streets. A la the Civil Rights movement.
BogMitch,
IOW=In Other Words
You know what pisses me off? Chris Matthews when he talks about bloggers getting involved in politics. He acts like bloggers should have no say in our government, but it is okay for talking heads to bloviate all damn nite. I think one night he even said something like “why don’t they blog about a hobby or something”. By the way, Cheney controls Tim Russert and Murdoch controls Chris Matthews.
ccmask @ 39
Tweety spaeks for the smug class.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
That is indeed, the big one.
For some reason, there is no longer an editing function. I meant to write that Tweety speaks for the smug class.
I’d love to hear and see just one of my party’s candidates for president come out and say George Bush is a liar. Just exactly like that.
Gore is sure taking his sweet ass time stepping up to the plate.
Woodhall Hollow @ 40
Tweety is duplicitous but not stupid. He sees that bloggers are giving away for free, what he is selling. Not good for business.
newtonusr @ 41
Where is the freakin’ tipping point!!!
(ducks)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Only rethugs are allowed to say such things (cough). Remember what happened when Congressman Watts called Bush a liar during the no-show Harriet Miers hearing.
ccmask @ 44
That is ok, as long as he does.
Run Al! Run!
OK kiddo, Edwards came close yesterday.
Merciless at 17, yes, did that very jaunt, Nooners via Tbogg. Exquisite !
Is there *any* network news that can be trusted?
I started out watching Walter Cronkite (CBS), shifted to NBC when Brokaw took the anchor desk, then moved to watching Peter Jennings (ABC). Since Jennings died, I’ve been drifting from network to network — but even CNN is too right-biased to suit me, and I won’t bother with Fox.
So where does a news junkie go?
Woodhall Hollow @ 42
Tweety squeaks for the smug class?
The Bush Administration has scored a significant PR victory. Both my local news and NPR have, for example, described the results of the WH interim report on Iraq as “mixed”. In fact, it was nothing of the kind. You have to understand that the White House did not use the standard of: Was a benchmark met or not? If they had used this metric, 16 of 18 would have been missed and the 2 others: deployment of Iraqi forces to Baghdad and joint checkpoints would have serious questions about them.
Instead the White House essentially graded on a curve of its own making. As the report says,
Yet even with this deceptive use of “trajectories”, the Administration could only find progress in 8 of 18 categories. And what were those categories? Most did not involve any real action rather they were about the formation of committees which hadn’t actually done anything yet. The report tried to justify the lack of action by using econo-speech. Many of the benchmarks represented “lagging indicators”. Would you accept this excuse from a teenager, “I look on my not turning in my term paper on time as a lagging indicator of my work done in this class.”?
So again, the Administration has successfully sold to the media its “mixed” report card on Iraq. In doing so, it buttresses Bush’s case that it is reasonable to wait until September when the “crucial” report is given and gives cover to “chickensh*t” Republicans who wish to continue their backing of his failed policies.
The report and its turgid prose can be found here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..70712.html
Executive Privilege to protect Tillman docs????
I am speechfuckinless!
This has to be a joke, no?
This administration is so bad, that I can’t tell the jokes from the reality.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Webb’s SOTU reply came close, too.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Whoa!!! Now that would have to mean that W was indeed involved…Oooooooooooooooo
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Think THIS one will piss off the general public?
Jayzus, sometimes I think Bush WANTS us to impeach him, just to put him out of his (and our) misery!
Brisingamen @ 51
Firedoglake, Talkingpointsmemo, the next hurrah, Bill Moyers Journal, Juan Cole and many other fine examples of citizen journalists.
From Rosa Brooks:
“And maybe most important: Do we really want to find ourselves asking the same questions all over again, six months down the road?”
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
Brisingamen @ 51
Forget teevee.
Amy.
Big Mitch @ 54
Speechfuckingless is the word and the feeling of the day. And oh, look, it’s Friday at 2!!!
Brisingamen @ 51
The web and Countdown w/Keith Olberman for me.
SanderO @ 11
He doesn’t deserve gentleness.
While it may be “just BS” rather than lying unless you consciously know it’s is false, saying something definitively when you have the ability to find out the truth (indeed, when you have people whose job it is to find out the truth for you) but have willfully avoided it is no less a lie.
If you don’t read the reports, or only believe your yes-men, then you can say “I don’t know” and it’s not a lie, but you can’t say “my opinion is fact” without lying.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 57
They are taunting the Dems, because they think it will never happen, but I still think this plays perfectly into Waxman, Conyers, and Leahey’s traps for setting up a foolproof case for impeachment. This story will definitely get legs, because it speaks directly to the people whose kids are asked to die for Bush’s lies.
dakine01 @ 62
Add Jon Stewart. I’m serious.
Redshift @ 63
Sorry, I don’t buy it. He is the son of GWH Bush, and he well knows when he lies. In fact, he revels in doing so.
ccmask @ 39
Hey, Tweety, we’ll consider switching to blogging about hobbies when you switch to hosting “Tool Time.”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 34
Well, that’s intriguing. Does this mean the Executive (and not just the Pentagon) is openly admitting that they either killed Tillman or acted to cover up his death? I mean, why exercise privilege over something you obviously had nothing to do with….. hmmmm.
Woodhall Hollow @ 40
Chris Matthews has nothing to fear but ……but…… bloggers.
Woodhall Hollow @ 66
And when he goes to meet his Maker, boy, is he going to be surprised when SHE tells him how many lives as a lower form he’s going to have to live to make up for his actions and words!
Time to subpoena Fielding for blocking investigations. Let him fail to appear then arrest him.
White House, Pentagon cite executive privilege to hold up documents on friendly fire victim Tillman
Tillman docs story: It’s Friday afternoon. Hoping no one will notice.
Just got an email from Born Fighting PAC: Jim Webb will be on Meet the Press this coming Sunday, debating (mopping the floor with) Lindsey Graham.
Raw Story update: White House, Pentagon cite executive privilege to hold up documents on friendly fire victim Tillman
eCAHNomics @73 — You’d think they’d have realized by now that we’re on to this tactic, and look forward to eagerly disecting the news dump. This will come back to bite them on the backside…
“planning for the retreat.”
We all have to understand something.
There is no plan for complete withdrawal, anywhere, anyhow, any way.
The “new course” is the ISG course, which is a speedy implementation of the last phase of the original occupation plan–50,000 troops in four or five permanent bases.
That’s the only alternative on the table. I don’t believe anyone running for president who says that they will withdraw completely.
Much in line with scarecrow’s second post this morning, the real reason, in my opinion, that things are not moving towards ending this more rapidly is because nobody really wants to end this. They want their bases of operations in the middle east. The US can’t return to a basing scheme in Saudi Arabia, and they cannot project the amount of power they want to project without Iraqi bases.
They can easily generate pretexts for doing this–all involving Iraq (and Kurd) security interests. Since, as I am wont to say, Iraq cannot provide its own border security, the next president is going to ‘regrettably’ have to maintain a ‘reduced presence’ in Iraq, indefinitely.
Having this reduced presence in place will require the installation of a puppet government–because no representative government in Iraq would support using Iraq as a base of operations in opposition to Iran and in support of Israel.
That puppet government will have to be bought off the way Mubarak is bought off–but this a much more abject deal than simply recognizing Israel. this is putting the force in place to put down any attacks in support of the palestinian arabs. And it is putting the force in place to ‘deter’ persian ambitions.
Until there is someone in the government talking seriously about how the future will look in Iraq–and I don’t take seriously anybody who says “no residual force” unless they make it very clear that they understand what that means–a shi-ite led government, allied with Iran, potentially in conflict with Saudi Arabia–that gains power following a protracted civil conflict.
Iraq has no government. Iraq has no national defense forces. Anyone talking about withdrawal has to acknowledge what is being left behind. It is the unwillingness to conceding that depth and breadth of the damage that has been done here that is going to keep the US trapped in Iraq for a very long time.
Brisingamen @ 51
Here’s a good start! Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzales are my main antidote to the constant idiocy on the tube, called “News.”
From an article entitled “HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY;YOU HAVE NO GOVERNMENT” The author says only the truth about 9/11 will set us free.
snip
As this article is being written the world is entranced with terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom, and U.S. residents are stocking up on beer and barbecue for the most sacrosanct of all American holidays. Barefoot children are running through sprinklers and reveling in backyard swimming pools. Fireflies flicker through muggy Midwest nights, and urban jungles swelter in a sultry aura of crime and poverty. But whether in the McMansions of Florida bedroom communities or locked in the suffocating despair of Chicago’s Cabrini Green, everyone knows—everyone feels it, but no one is talking about “it.” That “it”, that “something” is why depression is rampant, and why Americans are so sleep-deprived. That “something” can’t be fixed with a new mattress or more Tylenol PM, and when long nights of fitful or no sleep turn into another workday, the American way is to rise and shine into frenetic workaholism and ten thousand other distractions so that no one has to think or talk about “it”.
“It” is the sickening, gut-wrenching, capillary-constricting, heart-palpitating, suffocating, terrifying, paralyzing awareness in the deepest recesses of the body and soul that the entire house of cards for which Americans have worked, saved, sacrificed—for which they have sent their children off to war and off to college, which they have been willing to defend to their death and which has given them meaning when nothing else would—all of that, yes ALL of that is collapsing, dissolving, disintegrating, disappearing, slipping away. Perhaps only subconsciously weary of war and tormented by finances as they are, some part of them knows that their children aren’t going to college, that they won’t be able to stop foreclosure on their home, that their increasing reliance on credit cards postpones bankruptcy a little longer but makes its consequences ever-more brutal, and that when it’s all said and done, the retirement package and the 401K they were counting on for the worst-case scenario, like the rollicking good times of the pre-dot-com nineties, has simply evaporated into history.
All of this is horrifying enough by itself, but add to this the reality that these same Americans no longer live in a democratic republic and that they have lost all perspective of what that actually means.
ot – House Judiciary Committee subpoenas RNC documents.
It is interesting. They produced a couple of newspaper clippings to Waxman, and are withholding everything else. Clearly, they were involved in ramping up the false story. They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.
Better to just blow up the Tillman story and get it back in the news to show what criminals they really are. Cite the refusal of the WH to hand over documents regarding the investigation. They will look guilty as hell. The people will listen.
eCAHNomics @ 73
Friday the 13th
KestrelBrighteyes @ 57
From his Never-Never-Land mountain, he’s never had to be accountable for anything – alcohol, drugs, cheating in school, avoiding the draft, line-crashing, sadism, lies, to mention a few of his attributes and accomplishments.
Woodhall Hollow @ 58
Democracy Now and Countdown with Keith Olbermann.
They are attempting to provoke any situation that takes executive privilege to SCOTUS.
No. They’re saying “Start impeachment hearings or shut up.” And, at this point, why not? In for a penny, in for a pound.
Big Mitch @ 54
executive privilege on the tillman docs:
i yelled oh no no no no no no no …
this is the ‘jump the shark’ moment for e.p. and STIL NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
give fucking up.
but peace, please.
ccmask @ 79
whoa!
He’s lying with intent and the more he gets away with it the more bloated his ego becomes. Watch his face and those dead eyes, it’s right there. Bush and his cohorts are criminal-minded people who treat anyone outside of their circle with contempt–witness Ms. Taylor’s body language and attitude during her testimony. They do not care about Congress, the American people, Iraqis or anyone outside of their circle. They are the chosen ones. They see us as their inferiors, we are bugs to them, we are not quite human, we are things to be manipulated, toyed with and used. We all need to get a big clue about that and totally accept that this is the reality. It takes a lot of fortitude to deal with such lawlessness, lawlessness that they are now rubbing our faces in.
I don’t have solutions, but I know the only strategy that works with such people is consistent confrontation of the behavior and real consequences. Real consequences means we must be willing to claim the power to apply and enforce them. Who knows how that would play out at this stage of the game with these over-empowered people. Are we ready to take on such a task to save our country?
TeddySanFran @ 74
Webb is at a disadvantage. He sticks to the truth.
Elliott: A lot more at the link. That was a snippette.
fdl reader @ 86
If I calm down enough to write something on my own blog, I am ‘borrowing’ the “jump the shark” description from you.
Totally OT: But I can’t wait to see the new Don Cheadle PD Green movie, in which his well dressed girlfriend Vernel says, “take this….here… common on take it! It’s all me, no paddin’ in there sweetie. You tell him, it’s on me sweetie, ok?” As she removes her pink bra!
ccmask @ 90
thanks! wow
Brisingamen @ 51
I have often made the case that cable news is not news at all, that it is a mistake to view it as such. It is infotainment masquerading as news. My recommendation has been to make fun of it the way you would a film on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
Network news, newspapers like the WaPo and NYT, periodicals like Time and Newsweek, and the AP are the Mainstream Media, the Traditional Media, the Corporate Media. They should never be taken at face value but rather as raw data, unedited copy, or a first approximation. Their content is important because it gives you a place to start. It lets you know what the powers that be consider to be worth covering or not covering, and how it is being covered and whose talking points are being used.
From here you can go and search out the best blogs that sift through and analyze all this information, pseudo-information, and propaganda.
The web also allows you to search out the original documents: reports, speeches, emails, text of bills, court decisions, etc.
You don’t have to be do this on every story, but it is only by looking at each of these: the MSM, bloggers, and original documents, that keeps the overall process honest and gives you what you need to know, or at least that has been my experience.
Eureka Springs @ 84
Big Anchorage meet-up of FDL bloggers today! All invited! Coffee shop on Benson and C Street. Be there or be square
GordonM @ 55
That’s good news! I hadn’t heard that. ;0)
newspaperbrat @ 95
Do you know how much it hurts to find that no US network can be considered a trustworthy source of news? (As a child I adored Walter Cronkite, and hoped along with him that he would be the first journalist in space.)
Ok, BBC. I get BBC America as part of my cable package, I’ll check and see if that has their news programs. I’m already watching Keith Olbermann, I just wish he’d drop the damn tabloid stuff.
Sigh.
Tony Snow briefing back on CSPAN 1
Tim @ 50
I like Edwards. ;0)
Big Mitch @ 91
i’d be honoured and very cheered if you did borrow from me!
Hi everyone
What if they were taking over our government?
What if we had no more representation?
What if truth telling no longer made any difference?
What would we do?
EPU’d
ThinkProgress has this Murtha Interview up in which he calls Bush delusional.
What I found most hopeful about it is that at the end he says:
So, because the president and the White House says that we’re going to have chaos, it doesn’t mean we’re going to. Heaven’s sakes, the Iraqis want us out of there. They think we’re occupiers. And they said there’s weapons of mass destruction. They said there’s an al Qaeda connection. They continue to say for four -and-a-half years there’s progress.
So why would I believe that there’s going to be chaos just because they say it?
This is the point that the Dems should have been saying repeatedly and in unison for the last six months. (six years?). This is what will turn the tide. They’ve been wrong wrong wrong. Why would you trust anything they say. Easy to understand and effective.
Elliott @ 99
Thanks, Snow on now talking up how honest Petraeus is and how strightshooting he’s going to be. Petraeus was picked by Bush precisely because he was a parrot to Bush’s views.
I too, miss Mr. Gilly. But his analysis of Chosin, with respect to a redeployment out of Iraq is way off target. Consider:
1. The ChiComs had a well-trained, massive, well-organized, and well-armed force which surrounded US forces. The ChiComs had established command & control also.
The insurgents have little battlefield maneuver training, are without heavy weaponry, and cannot mass, and are unable to maneuver as did the ChiComs.
2. The Chosin situation constituted an “emergency”…US forces suddenly found themselves surrounded and needed to execute an emergency exit (retreat).
All intelligent plans for redeployment out of Iraq call for a 10-12 month phased withdrawal. Planned well, we will not be faced with an emergency situation such as our soldiers faced in N. Korea.
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Redeployment will NOT be easy…and could very well involve casualties. Unfortunately, if the insurgents stage any type of semi-mass maneuver, the orders coming down from field commanders will be very precise: take out that entire “row of houses…or structures…etc”. A field commanders job #1 will always be to protect the troops under his command.
Thus, if the insurgents mount ANY type of massed resistance to our redeployment, our response will be swift and brutal. yes, some Iraq citizens will die. But while Gilly’s history of the Chosin matter is accurate, I find not-so-much application to present-day Iraq military situation.
Ghostman
Elliott @ 99
But, but , but,
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 30
I thought Tony and Perino just got the axe!
Lol.
Hugh @ 53
One of the Southern California local papers (not the Times) had a headline that was ‘Iraq Progress is Spotty’ (headline not exact, but ‘Spotty’ is the exact word used). At least some people get it.
Even some of my low-information voters are getting it, when they see people who have come back from Iraq who have trouble dealing with life here.
Good evening from Piskopanio Crete
Hugh @ 104
My (former?) Army Major efriend stopped, who thinks highly of Petraeus, stopped communicating with me when I called Petraeus just another Astroglide a-hole general.
Big Mitch @ 96
2:00 p.m., local time…
P J Evans @ 107
That’s the McClatchy effect or lack of effect. McClatchy did good reporting on the weak case for WMD but because they didn’t have a national audience or really big distribution it pretty much was overlooked at the time.
katymine @ 108
hi katymine! how’s the trip tripping?
fdl reader @ 86
I think you are right. During the past two weeks the WH has dropped any and all pretense to being part of a Constitutional Democracy. Before they pretended using torture legal logic. Now it’s just “fuck you”. What few constraints on their behavior are now gone. It’s the serial killer going into “spree mode” or a christianist fantasy of bringing on End Times or a push to derail the ‘08 election or just group insanity; I have no idea.
Snow: Its 130 degrees in Baghdad in the summer.
Me: It used to be 90 degrees before globabl warming.
katymine @ 108
Kalispera!!
P J Evans @ 107
spotty= miserable fucking failure?
wishing the Anchorage branch office a lovely meet-up this pm!
At least the NYTimes (from the link in the post above) got this paragraph in there:
Has everyone seen this?
Is Nancy Pelosi a freakin’ GENIUS??
This seems to match the mood today Paul Simon, American Tune, 1975
Snow: Pres does what he thinks is right according to his principles.
More than 4 years of failure in Iraq has had no affect.
why can’t the NYTimes or other folks in the media simply say flat out that Bush is lying, rather than couching it in the “great oversimplification” language?
Surely this is blazingly obvious. Asking the question over and over will only lead to brain death and total lizard-brain revenge.
OT: Our county Democrats just emailed the announcement for guest speaker for the “Truman Dinner,” –i am ashamed to say–it’s Ken Salazar. No wonder my senators seem to be Demo-lite, if this is who they hang with. i sent the county dems a link to Phoenix Woman’s piece on the 8th. This is just to say, the work you do, my FireDoggies, is so important.
Trip has been wonderful so far…. hit the max of seeing “piles of rocks”… everywhere you go there are ruins from 4500 to only a 1000 years old… THE best food… everything so fresh, fruit so ripe, cheese ….
The interesting thing is that Crete history would of taught BushCo a lot about Iraq. It is a island which has been occupied by various empires for 3000 years. They are quite proud of their resistance fight through out time. A village called Anoyia where every male was shot against a wall because they would not give up British soldiers to the Nazi’s. Story after story of thousands of deaths in one battle or another against these empires who no longer exists.
I wish one of these reporters would ask Snow or Bush:
After more than 4 years of failure in Iraq, why should we believe anything you have to say about anything, including Iraq?
Steve-AR @ 113
i know: how many laws … LAWS … have they broken with impunity?
and what the r’s are doing to congress now just shows how weak the dems have been all along.
the dems we voted in have let this happen.
Elliott @ 119
Hey! Occam’s Hatchet stole fdlreader’s “jump the shark” metaphor.
fdl reader @ 117
do you think they’ll be live-blogging it?
katymine @ 123
oo I’m a big Crete fan. am jealous.
Brisingamen @ 10
I like this
Yasou egregious…
katymine @ 108
hello to you in Crete !!
Elliott @ 119
Were she only as clever as author gives her credit for. My rejoinder:
1. W et al would choose to defy Congress no matter what anyone said. Didn’t take Pelosi to lead them down that Garden path.
2. Pelosi means “impeachment is off the table” and W et al will get off scott free.
What Snow isn’t saying that the number of Iraqi units which can operate independently (virtually non-existent anyway) decreased according to the WH’s own interim report.
katymine @ 129
Sounds like you’re having a great time. Keep us posted, we miss you!
Big Mitch @ 126
70707!
fame is just SO damn fleeting these days … *sigh*
eCAHNomics @ 132
I’m choosing to believe she’s that clever, the alternative is too depressing.
Big Mitch @ 126
‘jump the shark’ dates to Happy Days being cancelled, Mitch. A very last episode had the Fonz waterskiing — and jumping a shark. The phrase has been in pop culture since then.
Yeah, me too.
TeddySanFran @ 137
yup: that’s exactly what I was referring to … the irony being that most fans really thought the storyline was just too ludicrous even for Happy Days and the writers had lost all their sense.
peace, please.
I am thinking of writing up some posts about Crete and how it could apply to America/US culture. This place is thriving except for the small villages high in the mountains (ya and we went there with our little Micra). Hills covered with green houses, thousands of them. Lots of shops, very few chains and rare American business.
They are into natural, organic and this is an island trend.
AND I have never seen water so blue and clear, you can see the sea floor from high up on the cliffs.
jayackroyd @ 77
Excellent point and I think shows why it is so hopeless. The Democratic policy establishment still think, I believe, that we can somehow sort this mess out and stay in Iraq as its ‘protector’. I think Joe Wilson believes this, or at least that’s what I got from his response to my question here a couple of months ago. The problem is that there is, as you note, no government in Iraq. Even when the likely coup occurs to overthrow Al-Maliki, the successor will still have no government.
From the standpoint of the Bushista’s, the stupidest thing they did was disband the Iraqi army. True, leaving it in place would have sustained a potential competitor to the power they assumed they would have for the taking, but in the event things got a little touchy with their scheme to establish a Manchukwo, a back-up plan for military dictatorship along the lines of Egypt would have been nice to have. Too late now. And just as well. We have no business in that part of the world.
All this chatting about Zawahiri & OBL in presser, without anyone asking Snow about the NYT article this past Sunday that revealed that Rummy let Zawahiri get away.
TeddySanFran @ 137
Yes, of course. But applying it to “WH counsel asserts exec. privilege to withhold Tillman documents” is fdlreaders contfibution to the rich history of the phrase.
BTW, what do you think was the point at which King Codpiece jumped the shark?
Big Mitch @ 143
“Mission: Accomplished”
OT
Just wondering if anyone else thinks it is a lie when BushCo says they are afraid that Al-Qaeda is gearing up and wants to get into our country? If this was a serious threat would he leave our borders open? No consistency.
12/12/2000
Jumped the shark when he said “the bulk of my tax cuts will go to the middle class.”
fdl reader @ 139
I’d never heard of it until today – pretty damn funny.
Knut Wicksell @ 141
i agree: i am finding it very difficult to even try to come to terms with the inherent military imperialism streak that STILL influences America’s international dealings.
it’s disgusting and wrong.
peace, please.
TeddySanFran @ 146
“A date that will live on in infamy.”
FDL Mods-Here’s some interesting reading ya’ll might enjoy!
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/trolls4jake
Tony Snow: “The president is going to look at the facts …”
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA
TeddySanFran @ 137
Except that Happy Days ran for another five years after jumping the shark.
the tillman case is about nothing less than covering up a case of pure propaganda, which to me is the most disgusting, unpatriotic activity possible, equal only to the treason of destroying a vital WMD intelligence network by a leak motiivated by petty politics seeking to defend an act of presidential propaganda in a state of the union address.
oh, god, i just made myself sick.
This looks interesting:
July 13, 2007
Brits “Play Act” Indictment of Tony Blair for Iraq-Related Crimes Tomorrow on BBC
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002222.php
Pity the Great Manipulator: “Progress” means that the troops can come home. “No Progress” means that the troops ought to come home or that they should be kept forever in a meatgrinder. What’s a conniving shyster to do?
fdl reader @ 154
I’ve heard that it is actually illegal for the U.S. government to propagandize its citizens. Now, obviously, the definitions of terms is key in deciding what that means, but I wonder if, in addition to the sheer fuck-you arrogance that is getting more obvious by the day, there might not be something in the docs around Tillman’s death that would stir up a legal ruckus? You might recall that in the early days around when Tillman was killed, the Rendon Group was everywhere. They were nothing if not a propaganda shop.
I wonder, too, whether Gates shutting down Rumsfeld’s psyops group today has to do with dusting up that trail. The spiel was always that the products of the shop were for manipulating the terrorists overseas, but really, how could anyone even pretend to think that stuff would be “contained?” The mendacity runs deep.
prostratedragon @ 157
right on! I do believe that this administration is guilty of several coordinated schemes of propaganda and it is illegal and un-american but this matters about as much as the rest of their lawbreaking … which is to say not at all. i am very concerned that america is gone. there are way too many signs that we are living in a modern nazi state.
sorry.
peace, please.
They thought Tillman would be a perfect poster boy for their war. But then Tillman went sour on them and spoke up very courageously against it. Tillman I believe, got whacked by a contracted sniper and I believe Rumsfeld, blah, blah, blah.
Good stuff, Christy!
and:
“Why can’t the New York Times or other folks in the media say flat out that bush is lying…?”
Because they know damn well that this whole nightmare-on-Pennsylvania-Avenue is hanging by a thread, and the ramifications for when it breaks, are going to be profound for corporate amerika and for the lovers-of-the- status-quo press who have been in bed with them; and none of them really want to see the thread broken.
Which clashes with whatever vestigial instinct to tell the truth they may have left.
The dollar is at it’s lowest point ever, against the Euro.
Joe and Jane six-pak are opting out of the great american corporate buyathon, with a vengeance.
The stock market is bouncing off the walls like an amphetamine-crazed ferret.
When the MSM, and the Fortune 500, followed goatboy into the back-alley crapshoot-in-mesopotamia, they were too stupid to see what they were getting into.
Now that the shitbirds are coming back to roost, the MSM wants; NEEDS! to describe them as cooing doves, who just need to be welcomed back, and pleasegod, let’s don’t talk about who released them, and who cheered them on, as they headed for Iraq, 4-plus years ago.
The press IS starting to come around some, and it’s a yardstick of just how fucked up things are, and of how helpless bush and his cronies are, that the MSM is about to the point that if they keep saying that there’s a clean end to this turd, that we can handle, they, too, will be good for nothing but withering scorn, and that, not from the progressives, but from middle-america.
jayackroyd @ 85
It’s still too early for impeachment of Bush. The moment it becomes possible then you’ll see Rove, er Bush, change his tune and these SCOTUS challenges will disappear.
I’d say it’s time to build the pressure on Cheney, but that will take some time and in that time more Repub Senators will have to drop Bush like a hot potato.
An extended debate/filibuster in the Senate will help to clarify that issue too. How many will stick with McConnell and Bush on some legislation the public would really like to have made into law?
Maybe Bush wants to test his SCOTUS support on this bogus Tillman issue. I mean, what possible presidential involvement could there have been with Tillman?
In Washington yesterday, George W. Bush encountered what might be deemed the “reverse Chicken Little moment” of his presidency. That is, Americans have simply stopped believing his perpetual claims of sunny skies to come in Iraq.
For the four year history of Bush’s favorite Iraq talking point, see:
“‘We’re Making Progress’ – Bush’s History of Iraq.”
Can we hold this CLOWN accountable even after he is out of office for CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, him and the GUTLESS,SPINELESS, COWARD and TRAITOR cheney. This is to include the lock step obstructionist of the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE. There denial and the denial from this TALKING MONKEY and the FOOLS in this administration are CRIMINAL, can we pursue this even when they are out of office, myself I do not see why not they are criminals and should be Prosecuted no matter how long it takes.