. I like that the DCCC’s Chris VanHollen is over at Daily Kos calling out Republican House members who are all talk when they posture about challenging Bush and his vanity war. They’re encouraging local blogs to stay on these dishonest war pigs who tell one thing to voters and then don’t want to risk being the target of a Presidential tantrum when they actually cast their votes (and I nominate MyLeftNutmeg). I think that’s a very healthy collaboration being nurtured between the DCCC and local bloggers.
. Sweet Jesus I hate Joe Lieberman too. And don’t get me started on how the Senate unanimously stood behind Dick Cheney’s bitch and took us one step further to war with Iran. What the hell was that?
. Speaking of HoJo, his BFF Chris Shays got the crap kicked out of him when it came to fundraising in the last quarter. Shays raised $280K to Jim Himes’ $352K. Jim Himes (photo) is a true progressive who will be visiting us on Blue America later this month. It’s early but it bodes well for Himes’ willingness to work hard because Shays is a dinosaur but he’s an entrenched dinosaur. It will be a pure delight to get behind a great candidate who has what it takes to beat him.
. And finally, our good friend and former content judge Charles P. Pierce is a regular panelist on the NPR quiz show, Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me. He writes:
One of the segments is called Not My Job, in which famous people come on — Michael Moore was on a couple weeks ago. Obama brought down the house one evening, and Elizabeth Edwards charmed us all — and answer questions in areas far beyond their expertise.
Next Thursday evening, Wait Wait is doing a live show for free at the Pritzker Pavilion in Millennium Park in Chicago. The Not My Job guest is….wait for it… Patrick Fitzgerald. As far as I know, this is the first time he’s going to be in front of a microphone in the past two years where he wasn’t indicting someone.
Details are not up yet but when they are they will be here.
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Jane!
zed
Ooh! Ooh!
I got here first!
Okay, no I didn’t.
Hi TRex! My zeds are always for Jane. *g*
Mentioning Lieberman (above) stirs my pot. I want Lieberman dealt with! Harry.
Pat Fitzgerald on “Not My Job?” THAT will be a hoot.
That’s almost enough to get me to listen to NPR that night.
Nitpicking: I think you want the close-quote after ‘Civics’, not after Alex. Where it is now, it puts both Alex and the hundred dollars in the question.
mc @ 7
Sure hope there will be a video here, there and everywhere. Sounds like a great warm up to YKos in early August.
TRex @ 4
conduct unbecoming of a non-entrenched dinosaur! :~)
{{{{{JANE!}}}}}
Damn, it’s always good when you’re feeling well and have your snark on!
FITZ!
Why wait?
OT, but Kobe isn’t particularly happy that Mutant Poodle’s poodle is now the “kayacking poodle” in the FDL Groups logo photo but them’s the breaks.
So let’s see if Warner and Lugar aren’t just talking outta their arses:
“WASHINGTON — Two prominent Senate Republicans have drafted legislation that would require President Bush to come up with a plan by mid-October to dramatically narrow the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq.
The legislation, which represents a sharp challenge to Bush, was put forward Friday by Sens. John Warner and Richard Lugar, and it came as the Pentagon acknowledged that a decreasing number of Iraqi army battalions are able to operate independently of U.S. troops.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..3/us-iraq/
Apparently O’Reilly is off the reservation, also. Does this mean they’ve lost FOX?
Hi Jane. Sure sounds like you are in fine spirits. Anytime Fitz makes an appearance, I’m there! well, not literally. Can hardly wait.
Iraqi government insists they are taking off the month of August despite WH pressure according to a CSpan banner just now.
via DKos:
Wait, Wait with Fitz? That’s a must!
Just got my 15 minutes of fame by revealing this on local radio.
“[T]he Committee wrote to White House Counsel Fred Fielding seeking ‘all documents received or generated by any official in the Executive Office of the President’ relating to Corporal Tillman’s death,” noted a press release from the Committee.
But the White House has apparently again invoked its executive privilege to hold up the documents sought by Waxman and Ranking Minority member Tom Davis (R-VA).
Heaven help me, and don’t mention this to my wife (yet), but I just actually ordered a case of 1,000 of those little three-legged plastic pizza-protector “tables.”
I figure I’ll print out the word Impeachment on sticky labels, slap them on the tables, and send 535 to Nancy P and 100 to Harry R.
Or something like that.
Suggestions welcome.
EPU’d:
I like Mark Kleiman’s idea that, rather screw around with the likes of Miers or Taylor, Congess should subpoena Shooter. After all, since the VP’s office “isn’t part of the executive branch”, he’s not protected by executive privilege.
newspaperbrat @ 16
wish the WH would take off the month of August. And all months thereafter.
For Lahoma. Got your FB. I’ll see you in Lawton late tonight. I’ll follow you to Tahlequah. I know you are reading this. We will talk about politics and other things. And see the people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
David Horsey cartoon on Cheney and the war
oddmommy @ 22
Well, last time they did that we lost New Orleans. :-(
allan_in_upstate @ 20
Vice President Richard Cheney is the President of the Senate of the United States per the Constitution of the United States.
The Senate has oversight responsibility for itself. No separation of powers issues here.
Get it, Dick?
David Horsey cartoon – The Need to Change One Mind
Last weekend Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me did a best-of show, and one of the segments was Justice Breyer. He was awesomely witty and the panelists were hilarious. The highlight was Paula Poundstone’s incredulity that Justice Breyer bought his own robe and that it’s a synthetic in answer to her question about lint problems. The whole panel was wondering who sells Supreme Court Justice robes off the rack. Good stuff.
newspaperbrat @ 16
Oh good! I’d been praying they’d be stupid enough to do that. Can you imagine how that’s going to play to Joe Six-Pack?
mc @ 14
They’re throwing Bush a lifeline. In September Petraus will announce Al Quaeda is on the run in Iraq. Bush will declare victory. A lot of noise will be made about the troops “new” mission, but we will occupy Iraq until 3008. Bush will pretend he’s a hero. 28% will believe it.
mc @ 14
What’s O’Reilly done? Heard something this morning but never found out what his rant was about.
Jane Hamsher @ 13
perhaps, but wait till it becomes known that Kobe is auditioning for a role in a Paddle Chayefsky play.
puppethead @ 28
That sounds funny. But as usual, the Republican reality is funnier than the jokes. Recall that Scalia had gold stripes sewed on his robe for the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton. He was inspired by a judge he saw in a production of a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. I kid you not!
Let’s play “Not My Job”:
Fitz: what is “indict POTUS and VPOTUS?”
Correct! That job properly belongs to the House of Representatives.
call Nancy:
(202) 225-4965
(415) 556-4862
Brisingamen @ 29
If I were in Baghdad in 120-degree (or more!) heat, I’d be wanting to take the month off, too. (Anything much over 110F is pretty difficult, dry heat or not.)
oddmommy @ 22
Isn’t August when W clears brush at Crawford?
And if you’re talking about being mentally present, W is never there.
The Wait Wait podcast causes me to embarrass myself on the Metra commuter train weekly.
I have never gotten around to attending a taping, but this is a must see event.
Any FDLers wanting to meet beforehand can leave me can write on my Facebook wall
P J Evans @ 35
Tony Snow said it was 130 today in Baghdad.
Why not give the troops a month off, too?
two beers @ 34
Three Cheers for two beers!
WHEEEEEE!!! Myleftnutmeg!!!!!!
For a chance to view a Real Joe Lieberman Minion in it’s natural habitat, go to the Wikipedia “Connecticut for Lieberman” or the “John Orman” pages, and see the destruction wraught by one SKorchin.
It’s taken a village to bring this caged beast to his knees (but it’s been worth every second).
Gen’l Peter Pace giving DOD briefing on C-Span2 today. I thought he was shit-canned.
ralphbon @ 20
I like it! We have some creative people here!
Big Mitch @ 33
Chief Justice Rehnquist, to be precise, not Scalia. (And for the curious, it was the operetta “Iolanthe”. Not “Pirates of Penzance” even though the impeachment was a farce.) It was definitely goofy. And considering the stories that came out after his death, I think Rehnquist might not have had his full faculties at the time.
i called my senators again today to ask for an explaination of their vote for senator lieberman’s iran amendment.
senator kerry’s office told me i could submit an request for one on his webpage.
arrrrgh.
selise @ 44
what did Kennedy’s office say? I regard him as sort of a reality check.
OT..These empty threats make no sense…”We really mean it this time” doesn’t work.
House Judiciary: We “Insist” Miers Comply With Subpoena
By Laura McGann – July 13, 2007, 5:00 PM
Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers (D-MI) warned Harriet Miers’ attorney today that the former White House counsel will risk contempt proceedings unless she complies with a committee-issued subpoena for testimony.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003683.php
She’s in contempt now…I don’t get it. I am beginning to think the Dems have counted votes and there aren’t enough to get a contempt citation from the full House. If that is the situation, then we are screwed.
Rehnquist, of course. Stupid me.
Pirates of Penzance doesn’t even have a judge.
Iolanthe deals with commutation and pardon.
newspaperbrat @ 16
Perhaps these guys know something we don’t.
P J Evans @ 35
Agreed! But it still isn’t going to play well on this side of the Pond. It boils down to “our troops are bleeding and dying, and the Iraqi government’s on vacation. We didn’t send our troops over there to die for that…”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Scary. Scary for our troops.
From the Iraqi government to Goerge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3h3pnhg8s
Irai parliament taking a vacation because it’s too darn hot.
Hmmm. Haven’t heard that song since they invented air-conditioning.
The only final explanation I can come up with concerning the behavior of Congress in total, is that there is some kind of underpinning of blackmail going on somehow. Maybe they have easvesdropping records that they are holding over a majority of congressional members – not all, of course, but at least enough to stop everything important from going forward. I don’t know, I just don’t know. It is like they’ve gone mad.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Yeah, there is so much brush in Crawford this year, Bush decided he needed some immigrant help.
EPU’D
snowyegret says:
July 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Way late to this thread.
@Ed*ward Teller re: better pic -
If you go to Feldman’s page and click on the photo, it will take you to orig. Detroit News(?)
Anyway, it’s better resolution. Still a little cluttered with the flags, but easier to see Tancredo standing all alone.
Apologies if this has already been posted. Having computer troubles.
Big Mitch:
Congrats on your 15 minutes!
marymccurnin @ 50
Here’s what I wish:
Get Bush on the ranch. Lock him in a room and medicate the heck out of him. Put Laura in charge (not a first for a first lady’s role). Declare a victory in Iraq – so what if it’s not real. Nothing’s been based on reality for the duration of shrub’s reign.. Bring the troops home (have Laura sign shrub’s signature for him).
Wake shrub up from his month-long dream. Tell him he won. Parade cub scouts down Pennsylvania Avenue (He won’t know the difference)in victory celebration. Problem solved.
I gave Kerry an earful about it via return e-mail the other evening. Maybe it will get me off a list. (Today I gave an earful to Edwards.)
harriet meirs’ conscience @ 31
Here’s the Raw Story linky:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0713.html
Nequals1 @ 57
707
wrt the Lieberman wardrums amendment and its 97-0 passage, I asked the question of Senator Russ Feingold over at kos and this was his reply – take it for what it’s worth:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/13/141751/474
Big Mitch @ 41
WTF??????
Big Mitch @ 52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HAiQg_8zuM
I just heard on Air America that there is a sixth Republican hooker scandal, to be reported on Rachel Maddow Show.
LS @ 53
That’s I all can figure also. Either that, or the WH is using drugs and hypnotic suggestion on them. Which doesn’t leave us any less scr*wed, just allows for potential recovery if we can get them out of it.
LS @ 53
I don’t know what is going on either. I feel like an old Roman priest..looking at a cow’s liver and trying to tell the future. Something is going on, otherwise with Taylor, Meirs and the rest of them; it should be contempt vote sub-committee..committee vote..full House..one afternoon..
oddmommy @ 45
on tuesday morning when i called senator kennedy’s office i was transferred someone who had the amendment in front of him (i’m guessing an intern or junior aide who’s focus is foreign policy).
he was quite nice, pretty knowledgable and sympathetic to my concerns…. he also said that iran, unlike iraq, was a real security threat; that if iran were to get a nuke – it is 50/50 they would use it and he is 100% sure that they would give it to terrorists like hezbollah to use; that iran wants to be regional hegemon (not sure how i square that with the suicial aim of wanting to use a nuke).
if he reflects the views in senator kennedy’s office… i think there is cause to worry.
‘course i didn’t only listen – i tried to make the case that support for the amendment was irresponsible in today’s political and rhetorical climate.
P J Evans @ 58
today when i called they were keeing track of how many people called to complain. that’s a good sign and means i’m not the only person calling.
keep it up ‘pups!
The Iraqi “Government’s” planned vacation does not surprise me.. First off they probably do it every year anyway…
Second, They are STALLING !! Of course they are.. They know Dickster and the PNAC and Halliburton and Blackwater won’t leave until an OIL DEAL is secured.. But as soon as they do that, and the US pulls out it’s troops.. they will be beheaded in a very public way for selling Iraqi’s out and giving a sweet oil deal the the same “infidels” that raped and pileged their homeland.
I would do the same thing if any foreign country did to us what we did to Iraq..
Think “Red Dawn”..
Big Mitch @ 41
AFAIK, only as Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman. He’s still a general.
Mojo @ 69
So…do you think they’ll RETURN from “vacation”?
LS @ 53
yeah. i think it’s important to remember that the house did the same thing just a few weeks ago (h.con.r.21). the insanity is not limited to the senate.
P J Evans @ 70
On the front line in the war against gays.
Why doesn’t the whole world wink and let Bush declare victory. Maybe we should start planning a victory parade in NY in 120 days.
Nequals1 @ 71
Here’s a very novel thought. Remember the 1/4 billion $ stolen from the bank in Iraq the other day? Well, it was stolen by “insiders”. Now, I would not put it past these guys to “take the money and run” knowing the US might leave, because their lives and the lives of all of the families of that “government” would be toast. Baby Doc Duvalier was flown out of Haiti on a US military plane to France with $500,000,000. He looted the bank and split with the assistance of the United States, and he now lives comfortably in the south of France.
P J Evans @ 70
He’s still CJCS until September when his retirement becomes effective.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
great linky thing!!!
Mojo @ 69
Hmm, you may be on to something there.
I’ve always felt the Iraq invasion was about oil-not WMD, not Hussein, not terrorism-but oil.
Is this like a high stakes game of chicken? The Iraqis won’t “give” the U.S. its oil until the current leadership is guaranteed protection. And George/Dick won’t give the Iraqi leadership protection until the U.S. gets its oil.
Is that too tin foil hatty…or just right?
Maybe Bush/Cheney paid the Iraqi government off and will give them safe passage out of there in August, so they can install who they want in there. Hence all the hoopla about “September”.
Nequals1 @ 71
Very reluctantly… Under extreme duress from the Dickster..
I think they are stalling until the US Baghdad Fortress.. er.. I mean Embassy is completed so they will survive long enough to complete their commitments to the PNAC goons that placed them in office.. That’s exactly why Al_Sadr groups as well as many others have LEFT the Iraq Parliament and there is danger of them not being able to meet a QUORUM !! So, yea.. they may as well NOT come from vacation
LS @ 75
Really, you don’t have to dig deep to find a motive to steal 250,000,000 dollars.
OT – for Ed*ard Teller from the last thread: Here is a higher-res photo of the lonely Tancredo at the NAACP, via Feldman at the Orange Overlord’s domain.
general in Iraq contradicts Bush:
Gotta run to the Big All-Alaska FireDogLake meetup.
See ya. Play nice.
OT – Hardball
Rep. Jim Moran: We have given more training to Iraqi troops than our OWN troops.
Steve-AR @ 66
We’re all Kremlinologists these days. We have a secretive, beyond-the-law dictatorship and a do-nothing Peoples’ Chamber who pretends they’re doing something by following rules that have no meaning.
To quote the Clash:
if any elected official is being blackmailed by illegal wiretapping they NEED to buck up and make it public: i know it would take tremendous courage but it would expose the crimes of this president. we need true patriots NOW.
mc @ 78
Sounds about right to me..
I was driving down Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood in Dec of 2002.. There was a huge protest going on, so naturally I parked the car and joined in.. There were lots of young people protest that “W” was even TALKING about invading Iraq.. they KNEW it was just about the oil way back then..
When did that message get lost ???
fdl reader @ 87
And it could be any kind of situation…they could have recordings of lobbying deals, drug deals, sex deals, national security breaches, leaks…all kinds of stuff. If Gonzo has that stuff, they are screwed – especially if the FBI had agreed to it. Hmmmmm….that could be what the hospital visit was all about.
Next Thursday in Millennium Park… I am sooo going to be there. Hopefully they’ll allow video cameras since it’s a radio show, who knows?
The panelists are usually sharp & witty, but the star here is Fitz. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t comment on scooter. It ought to be great!
This is like a receiving a gift for no reason! Thanks for the heads-up.
BTW Jane, has anyone ever told you you’re gorgeous? Or am I the first? *g*
randi rhodes on air america is saying she’s telling dem fundraisers ‘no’ right now too: “DO NOT make me wait until 2008 to bail you guys out; if you wait ’til then they will win; what you need to do right now costs NOTHING.”
Hey… I shared an elevator with Fitz this past Monday at the Dirksen Federal Building (courthouse) in Chicago. I pretended to be nonchalant and didn’t say anything. He’s a tall man with quite a presence.
Help. The Kos link in the post is broken. Anybody?
Boston1775 @ 85
Moran ate Gingrey’s lunch on Hardball! It was a thing of beauty, and Gingrey looked a bit stunned. It should happen more often.
Also, I dunno if it’s MNSBC, my cable operator or my antique teevee, but Ol 60-grit just turned a lovely shade of green, right before my eyes! I call it a subtle version of karma.
Tee hee hee!
Nequals1 @ 57
Nurses are such good problem solvers.
We need more nurses in Congress and less lawyers!
OT,
I stumbled on this site some time ago and keep forgetting to go back
Very Watertigerish!
If you get some spare time….
I always enjoy it.
Here is a sample;
http://bildungblog.blogspot.co…..-bush.html
Kate O’Beirne is up on Hardball: The President was confident, secure and relaxed when Ms Grit visited today.
Boston1775 @ 97
Ooh, ooh, is she turning green?
LS @ 89
It’s not un-heard of. That’s how Herbert Hoover kept his job for decades and the same helped LBJ push his social programs and civil rights agenda; or so it is said. I am sure Rove has enough on the Republicans to put each one4 in prison for life.
Boston1775 @ 97
I. Will. Not. Say. What. I. Desperately. Want. to. Say. My late, gracious, grandmother would not approve.
Boston1775 @ 97
I’m for them both. Seems to be working out.
Big Mitch @ 84
have fun, you two. :~)
punaise @ 83
Great catch – truly spotlight material – thanks punaise!
More fun with Joe:
From Israel Today Lest we EVER forget where his allegiance is.
Headline News
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 by Staff Writer
green heron @ 30
Right, and key evidence they will point to will be a reduction in US casulties. See here (BTW: It is still early but it is looking like July is following the part to the cyclical trend that would be expected.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
love this OKK! Poor Iraqis Thanks, lolo
Terror Calson up
My bad with Israel Today article….gotta be more careful. Wrong Lieberman, but you can see where the Iran War is heading, at any rate.
Apologies.
npb – heard it on the radio earlier today – probably BBC news at the top of the hour
Boston1775 @ 107
Yea..
and I miss his Bow Tie…
What is he ?? a Flip-Flopper ??
On I am so there – Millenium Park that is – Thursday … wow!
Can you imagine Kate and George? Where does Laura fit in? For that matter, what about Condi? How does she fit? This is getting strange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyJInrbFkHE
Senator Sherrod Brown of OH for president 2008
Google his website for bio.
“What the hell was that?”
That was A*P*C running our congresscritters like hamsters on a wheel.
Edit ** and released by MOD.
FYI, Spin I’m In is upstairs
wait wait is my second favorite radio show-favorite is harry shearer……i listen to both every single week, have gotten friends and family hooked on them both………..harry has never let noleans go, he’s a pit bull, and has a skit about 41 and 43 on the phone regularly, or a conversation with darth…….
and i haven’t yet heard any feedback whatsoever from dems on why they voted with lieberman……..anyone have any links????????
i am totally flummoxed by this……..
too strange, 97-0 vote and nothing from their mouths….*crickets*
first time it’s been 97-0 in HOW MANY YEARS??????????
and nothing…….crickets…….
scuse me, why aren’t people wondering about this??????????
Steve-AR @ 99
J Edgar, not Herbert. Herbert was honest, if not incredibly competent, as President.
Awesome show,catch it if you can.In my area of Virginia it airs on Saturday afternoon at 2pm.
Nequals1@ 71
Why? They made a $235 Million U.S. withdrawal from the Bahgdad Bank yesterday, so they’re probably covered for awhile.
[meanwhile, Tony Snow flips-off the press again on questions about the Iraq Parliament’s vacation, the 130 degree heat, and the temperature our troops will see (also 130 degrees)]
dmac @ 116
i think we’ve got to keep pushing to get our senators to justify their vote on this (senate amendment 2073).
dmac, I cannot stop wondering about it and the House bill selise and Hugh have been covering so well.
Out of both houses we have 2 congressmen voting no war with Iran.
P J Evans @ 117
Your are right, shouldn’t talk on the phone and type.
oops…just saw this…brilliant minds, as they say.
LS @ 75
bookwoman @ 104
Avigador Lieberman is not Joe Lieberma.
-GSD
bookwoman @ 104
Avigdor Lieberman is not Joe Lieberman.
-GSD
mc at 14 says-”So let’s see if Warner and Lugar aren’t just talking outta their arses:
“WASHINGTON — Two prominent Senate Republicans have drafted legislation that would require President Bush to come up with a plan by mid-October to dramatically narrow the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq.
The legislation, which represents a sharp challenge to Bush, was put forward Friday by Sens. John Warner and Richard Lugar, and it came as the Pentagon acknowledged that a decreasing number of Iraqi army battalions are able to operate independently of U.S. troops.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..3/us-iraq/
Apparently O’Reilly is off the reservation, also. Does this mean they’ve lost FOX?”
just watched an interview that lugar had with charlie rose july 3rd or 4th i think……said he and warner went to whouse, five days before surge was being announced, and that their input had to wait until after the surge……….said he came out now because surge obviously not working…….you should watch the charlie rose interview…….lugar is a rhodes scholar, which i didn’t know…….wants diplomatic solution…..funny how we now want all of the other countries to participate in cleaning up the mess…….
Sent the text of Keith’s special comment to a friend and got this answer:
to which I replied
eureka at 121 says “dmac, I cannot stop wondering about it and the House bill selise and Hugh have been covering so well.
Out of both houses we have 2 congressmen voting no war with Iran.”
well, i don’t even know if it’s about no war with iran, cuz can’t find info on it………i’m tellin’ ya, i’m perplexed about the no information about this one, and i am not easily perplexed………..noone is commenting on it, what’s up? i can’t find any commentary from anyone on it, is why i’m not caught up on threads today, i’m on dialup and trying to find out what the heck the lie=berman bill was all about……..mum’s the word, and i can’t figure it out, because no info………..
I know the Vitter thing seems like a distraction, but it could be a huge tipping point if we can force him to resign. La. does not have any rules dictating who may serve in a removed Senator’s place. It is at the governor’s discretion, she’s a Democrat and Bush really f*%$#d her over.
dmac @ 128 –
since we’re in epu land, i’ll post some info for you here…
and about the 3 million stolen……
how many pallets would that be??????
how many hours would that take?
in baghdad????????????
forklifts, trucks, gas….helpers, quite a talented crew you would have to have for it….a rather organized and well-supplied bunch of theives………
selise, there was no link…….
and we’re onlyin epu land if we move one…….i always stay in a thread if that’s what i want to talk about…….then i move on……..
Fitzgerald, Amherst grad, spoke at Amherst around the time of graduation. My son, a junior, reported that some of his acquaintances followed the US Attorney around the campus like groupies. Smart students. BTW, his remarks at Amherst pop up on C-SPAN every once in a while.
well, i guess we are in epuland……..
dmac @ 131
Well, with enough helpers, you wouldn’t need the forklift (there are ways). In shrink-wrapped bundles of 100s, maybe not that big a problem: 100 bills in a paper-wrapped bundle, doable. ISTR that the 9 billion we gave them wasn’t that many pallet-loads itself.
—
Got a ‘response’ from Boxer, and answered by asking why that vote the other day. Dont’ seriously expect answer.
dmac @ 132
sorry! i only meant to let you know that i was going to be adding a few comments here with some summary info and links.
infoshaman at 133 says”Fitzgerald, Amherst grad, spoke at Amherst around the time of graduation. My son, a junior, reported that some of his acquaintances followed the US Attorney around the campus like groupies. Smart students. BTW, his remarks at Amherst pop up on C-SPAN every once in a while.”
that is encouraging to hear……..thank you……..
selise at 137-
thanks!
will check back…….
The reason some of the carrier groups are leaving from around Iran is that Putin told Bush, enough was enough. The other major powers (Russia & China) can’t allow us to have that much direct control over the world’s oil reserves. The let this crap in Iraq go on because they knew we couldn’t win. But they can’t risk us in Iran too.
Thanks selise.
selise-
my problem is this-
97-0??????????
ok, two against, i may have the count wrong…….but in a whirlstorm of mistrust, and apprhension, and it passed 97-0????????
what are we missing……..and basically no comment explaining it…..i am perplexed………
as much as we like to call them out, they are, in general, smart puppies……..so what am i missing?
this is the most anonymous bill ever passed…….and yet could hold such importance……don’t get it……
selise-i’ve read all of the government things, and interpretations, what i’m wondering is, no comments from those that voted on it……..
no spin………strange………..
dmac @ 142
i don’t know either. some possibilites:
- congress is acting recklessly
- congress wants to escalate conflict with iran
- congress is stupid
thanks selise, i will read what you have posted……….as always…….quite a service, if noone ever told you, thank you…….
but am still flummoxed by the lack of commentary, in fact, complete silence from all reps……….what’s up? makes my antennae tingle.
is totally and completely strange……..
- Congress is very nervous about something else not entirely public (and maybe not too worried about an attack on Iran in the short run).
To the speculation about Russia and China dropping a big hint, add in the fact that the U.S. financial position is becoming both dodgier and more dependent on China’s buying our debt by the day:
summary of recent congressional anti-iranian action:
first, the house bill, h.con.r.21 passed on 6/21(background here, here, and here)
bottom line – virtually the entire house of representatives (only 2 “no” votes – kucinich and paul) voted to ask the UN security council to charge ahmadinejad with “violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and United Nations Charter” based on basically 1) his calling for the genocide of israelis and 2) because “Iran has aggressively pursued a clandestine effort to arm itself with nuclear weapons”.
only problem is that the first is a lie (mistranslations) and there is no evidence for the second (see IAEA).
when kucinich tried to enter into the congressional record the correct translation, he was prevented from doing so. juan cole covered the translation issue very well (here)
so, now we have a document that bush can point to (after bombing iran) and say – “see, even the dems know that the iranian leader is a genocidal maniac pursuing nuclear weapons.”
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second, the lieberman senate amendment 2073, passed on wednesday. suin’s excellent post is here. c&l has some c-span video of the “levin/lieberman love fest” on the senate floor.
scarecrow made an excellent comment that summarizes the issues with this bill very well:
justin raimondo has a good commentary on this bill and iran in general, “Is War With Iran Inevitable? Yes.“
and just in case you think raimondo is writing crazy talk in his last paragraph, here is what zbigniew brzezinski told the senate foreign relations committee in january:
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third, there are a couple of bills in the works to impose economic sanctions on iran (there may be more anti-iranian bills, these are just the ones i know about): s.970 and h.r.1400
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and finally, 3 late breaking updates… (of the not good variety), from laura rozen at war and piece (here, here, here)
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i do not like to see this increasing cycle of belligerency.
I went looking on whitehouse.gov today for any speech Bush has made while in office that says anything about his oath of office: I couldn’t find anything. But there are 147 web pages where he trots out some variation on his “most solemn duty” being to “protect the American people”.
dmac @ 148
thank you, you are most welcome.
i’m flummoxed too… and worried… that there’s going to be an attack and the dems will (or already have) buy in.
selise, It’s a compiled work that scares the heck out of me.. now if only I can get others to read your fine compilation.. thanks so much.
Eureka Springs @ 152
zbig is no dummy – this is EXACTLY what he warned us about in january… and for whoever might be interested, i posted an mp3 of zbig’s testimony before the senate foreign relations committee (here, scroll to item 3)
I should think the answer is obvious: the Dems want the SAME thing the GOP wants (OTHER people’s wealth and resources) but they just want it for when they are in charge. They ALL want whatever Exxon-Mobile tells them to want: Iraq’s and Iran’s oil.
They’re ALL warmongers and insane. ALL of them. That little “harmless” vote (so says Feingold who I have to hold in question now), with all the inflammatory statements in it (as if they are FACT) is a Gulf of Tonkin resolution before there is even a Gulf of Tonkin “incident”. They expect to receive briefings on how Iran IS messing with Iraq (and attacking the US) and how it is also messing around in Afghanistan helping the Taliban (their sworn enemy) AND Al Qaeda (their doubly sworn enemy). It begs for “mushroom cloud” and WMD “intel” that simply confirms what Cheney wants it to confirm. They honestly expect to believe ANYTHING the Pentagon or CIA says about ANYTHING? They CANNOT be trusted!
That little harmless vote WILL be used as a stepping stone to attack and ALL the Dems have bought a piece of it. No excuses, they BOUGHT an attack on Iran.
Please China DON’T DO IT! Cut us off at the knees! If you bail us out Bush WILL use it for more war everywhere. The DEMS will use it for more war everywhere too. It is better if China were to send in an “inspection” team into Iran and basically have them ’sit’ at the various sites that Bush thinks he is going to attack. They could be there to ‘advise’ and ‘inspect’ and for ‘cultural exchange’.
A bunch of Chinese government types all over those targets would be a big impediment for Bush to attack. They wouldn’t DARE.
and still………….no commentary from the elected officials………
i find that totally strange, considering what it was they voted on…….
Speaking of HoJo, has anyone heard a term that has popped up over on dKos tagging Obama as “the Black Lieberman”to beware of with respect to his party principles allegiance?
(though my comment is for real, this is really a silly test to rate the degree of interaction on these threads, particularly with newcomers who are no part of an established clique. So far, it’s very disppointing that this blog called for serious stepping up to help support the publishing initiatives of FDL, only to then answer the call, and then present a case for discussion on video — and get a few high-fives, but nothing of substance. And Jane has ignored it completely. Is this because she is busy and this is typical in her response patterns? If so, I will be more patient.)
And now back to Black Lieberman. Has anyone heard of this term, and what is it supposed to mean?
thank you.
Tell ya what Joe, if we are attacked by suicide bombers in the future, let’s hunt the bastards down and kill ‘m. They’ll think twice the next time.
WHERE IS THE ESTEEMED [!!!!!!] CHARLES PIERCE WRITING THESE DAYS?
periodically I do searches for Pierce.
I found this on Altercation:
How strange. That exactly is what he does. Wonder if he knows it.