So let me get this straight. Bear with me here.
Congress is investigating the improper firings of US Attorneys by the Bush administration. The charge is that the Bush Justice Department was colluding with the Bush Political Hack Department to such a degree that the Justice Department and the Political Hack Department became indistinguishable. To find out what happened, congressional committees issued subpoenas of documents and of persons: Harriet Miers, exposed as a thoroughly comical hack two years ago, and Sara Taylor, whose incredible hackery has only recently been put on display. The Bush administration has refused to comply with these subpoenas, invoking Executive Privilege in a thoroughly hacktastic fashion.
OK. But here’s the punchline: now, in order to enforce its subpoenas, Congress must trust that… the Bush Justice Department will decide to prosecute the Bush Political Hack Department for refusing to obey these subpoenas… which are intended to show to what extent the Bush Justice Department was as one with the Bush Political Hack Department.
In a broadly worded legal opinion, the Justice Department has concluded that President Bush’s former top lawyer, and possibly other senior White House officials, can ignore subpoenas from Congress to testify about the firings of U.S. attorneys.
The three-page opinion raises questions about whether the Justice Department would prosecute senior administration officials if Congress voted to hold them in contempt for not cooperating with the investigation into the firing last year of eight top prosecutors….
Under the law, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia decides whether to pursue contempt of Congress cases. Though that official can exercise independent judgment, some legal experts said it might be hard to ignore the opinion from the legal counsel office, whose decisions are often viewed as controlling throughout the federal government.
Back on July 1, Pat Leahy was asked “whether he was confident that the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington would prosecute should Congress seek a criminal contempt citation.” Leahy replied that “it would be ‘very difficult for him not to.”’ One hopes that the good senator was merely being diplomatically optimistic for public consumption, because anyone who didn’t see this coming a mile away has had their head lodged firmly between their nether cheeks for the past seven and a half years. This administration will do anything it possibly can to avoid anything even remotely resembling accountability or oversight.
They’ve been able to get away with it for a lot of reasons, most of which are well known. But let me focus on one of the more subtle — and far-reaching. It is traditional in Unhinged Liberal Blogger Rants to declare that the administration has shredded, torn, violated, peed on, pooped on, showed contempt towards, blew their nose on, and otherwise disregarded the Constitution. As an Unhinged Liberal Blogger who specializes in invective and ranting, I have certainly said so myself.
But I think this emphasis may be misplaced. The modern GOP (and that’s where the trouble lies, with the party as a whole) has not so much violated the Constitution as they have exploited it. Take the war funding resolution mess, or indeed any attempt thus far by the Democratic Senate in particular to keep the Bushites from doing whatever the hell they want in Iraq, no matter how crazy or destructive. It is not a violation of the Constitution that is shielding the regime from having to face the music here — it is a perfectly constitutional mechanism, the filibuster. As Hilzoy pointed out in reference to their use of this tactic to defeat Jim Webb’s bill to limit the duration of troop deployments, the Republicans are of course being wildly hypocritical about the filibuster, and what they’re doing is of course contrary to the wishes of the great majority of Americans, not to mention scummy, but it’s not unconstitutional.
The real problem is not that the GOP is breaking the Constitution (or at least this is not always the problem), but that the Constitution is itself flawed. That much should be obvious in a moment like now, when a president who enjoys remarkably little public support (pdf) can carry on a war that nobody much cares for, either (the lunatic fringe that is the Right Wankosphere excluded). I mean, I have to think that if we had a European parliamentary system Bush would have cratered no later than last year and tanked a no confidence vote — and the new government could have begun withdrawing troops. In our system, there is just not much that can be done. Likewise, impeachment, while, yes, richly justified, just cannot happen because of American institutional realities. Our Constitution is just not set up to cope expeditiously with the modern GOP, for whom party loyalty at any cost counts for everything. This weakness was never so glaring as when the Republicans held the White House, House, and Senate: a GOP Congress was just never going to check or balance a Republican White House.
I think it’s important to emphasize this point because it’s all too easy to fall prey to a kind of deluded hope, that the Constitution can or will somehow always automatically save us. It can’t, and it won’t. The Constitution is not a suicide pact — and neither is it capable of guaranteeing democracy all by its lonesome. A lot of pleasant illusions have been stripped away during the Bush Years. Perhaps the last of these to go is the notion that a document from the 18th century, no matter how ingenious or durable, will necessarily of itself preserve our freedoms in the 21st.
In his review of Sicko, Ezra Klein observes that one of the reasons we are having so much trouble replacing our crappy health system with something better is the stubborn notion that merely because our system is American it is by nature superior to every other system anywhere else in the world. A similar attitude may prevent us, at least in part, from fixing even the more ludicrous and indefensible aspects of our political system, like, say, the Electoral College. Or our absurd and not particularly democratic voting system.
The point is that a commitment to democratic principles must supersede even a commitment to Constitutional principles. The Constitution is not a fetish object but an outline for a mechanism of governance, and susceptible to abuse even within its own structures.



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I love that photo of Sen. Warner.
foist?
Joe-Bama!
And the GOP claims they are the party of “strict construction”. The GOP should change it’s name to the Grand Old Exploiters.
The Constitution is a living document.
And George has just poured a gallon of Roundup on it.
man you have to be quick
I think the one thing needed is a majority of the public have to care. Of course the Constitution can’t save us all by itself — it requires people brave enough to test it’s powers. Congress has not stood up to the President with its own full strength nor have the American people done so. Until these things happen, the Constitution is just a notion. As would be any other document so long as it sat dormant.
Maybe, maybe not. What if, after serving a subpoena and being rebuffed, the Congress had asked an army U.S. Marshal to go to the people involved and ordered them to attend the hearing? I always thought this was the way it worked. Then, if they resisted, say, Harriet would be arrested and placed in contempt, and then properly jailed. That might scare some people in the White House into complying or at least in going to the Supreme Court, where Heaven knows what would happen? But the power struggle would be placed on an even footing for a change. The Secret Service doesn’t protect Harriet, does it? And why isn’t little Miss timid charged with contempt? Reid and Leahy seem to be afraid of their shadow; likewise for Pelosi; so be it.
All I can say is:
54-40 or fight. Remember the Alamo. Don’t tread on me. Jenkins 8-1-2. Birds of a feather …
Go for it Conyers. Get that contempt of congress thing going.
And how ’bout that DOW today?
“The modern GOP has not so much violated the Constitution as they have exploited it.”
That’s it in a nutshell. Cogent post Thers.
OT – is Olbermann rubbing off on Dan Abrams?
I laughed out loud when, while Pat Buchanan was praising Bush for there not having been a terrorist strike in the U.S. since 9-11, they superimposed over Buchanan a “Fact Check” from the leaked NIE, essentially refuting everything he was in the process of saying.
maybe if Abu Al doesn’t seriously investigate they’ll impeach him. Sometime next year.
IMPEACH!
This is a Constitutional showdown folks and the Democrats need to start behaving like they are capable of some serious hardball. Enough with the niceties, already. It’s time to take the fucking gloves off and smack these bastards around. Contempt, YES!! Inherent Contempt? EVEN BETTER.
Get Harriet’s ass in the House basement cell and then we’ll talk.
Subpoena Rove and cart his ass off to jail when he doesn’t appear.
And, oh by the way-STOP FUNDING THIS STUPID WAR!!
I have had absolutely enough of these shenanigans. Get with the GODDAMN program Democrats!! Show some spine and stand up for the Constitution and the American people. And DO IT NOW!!!
send cindy sheehan to arrest them
Gotta tell ya Thers, some of your words are total echos of some of the left leaning (yeah there were some once upon a time) pundits back in the H2Ogate era. For the same reasons, you mention, if we had a parlimentary style government, it would have collapsed under a “no confidence” vote a couple of years ago.
Part of it is because the set-up was done purposefully to make it difficult. Part is, like yo say, the Republic Party has decided in the last forty years that party comes before country, consequences be damned.
If you remember, Clinton caught a lot of sh*t from the Dems when he took office in ‘93 because they were performing oversight. Unfortunately for the country, the Dems in congress at the time got arrogant and sloppy and opened the door for the Republics to take control.
I don’t have a solution other than we need to continue to out the Republics, Harry Reid and the Senate Dems need to force the Republics into a traditional filibuster, force them to stay in session through the summer and keep voting on Iraq every damned day. Force them to daily cast the votes against the troops in the field. Make it obvious to even the most obtuse of the 60%ers who usually don’t pay much attention exactly where the problems lay.
My $.02
Impeachment: It’s not just for blowjo*s anymore.
cindy ‘wyatt earp with righteous anger’ sheehan to the rescue.
nancy pelosi looks up from her tbone (rare) dinner at the buckhorn saloon in shock.
holy shit. a flaming star on cindys vest.
I wish Arianna had just slammed the table and insisted Pat shut the f*ck up. I am so tired of these blowhards talking over people.
Thers.. I an really trying to understand our justice system.
Is this your message? “our constitution is flawed” and it is acceptable for Harriet Meiers and the Bush administration to wipe their asses with it.
Am I getting the message?
jayt @ 11
I think Abrams is Olbermann’s boss. Abrams is the General Manager of MSNBC. I believe.
US Attorney in Washington DC:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/U…..index.html
Doesn’t strike me that he would be willing to enforce any subpoena on Harriet. Considering it was ABUse Gonzo who appointed him.
Dover Bitch @ 1
Ouch!
has anyone compiled the numbers re the number of times the R’s have used the ‘filibuster’ so far in this congressional term vs. the number of times the D’s used it in a comparable period in the last term?
Hmm. The filibuster is not in the Constitution. It’s an institutional rule – hence the nuclear option the GOP threatened when they didn’t have 60 vote majority.
They haven’t severely damaged the Constitution yet; it takes the judiciary to sign off on that (getting there, though).
Agree most of the damage has been institutional. And insane opinions by WH lawyers which take time to be knocked down. But we’re close.
GW Clusterfuck is laughing his ass off as congress tries to use the channels available to it to force him to cough up the truth—the cops all work for him– big fuckin joke eh?
Thers!
I don’t think the problem is so much the Constitution as the Dems’ slowness to realize what sort of game the GOP was playing, and their timidity in responding to it.
Take the war, for instance. To end the war this spring, the Dems had to do…nothing. Zip. Nada. But they were buffaloed by Bush, the pundits, and their own fears into ultimately giving Bush the funding bill he wanted.
Or take the GOP ‘filibusters’ this year: blocking a cloture motion is a cost-free way for the GOP to throttle Dem legislation at every turn – unless the Dems make the GOP actually filibuster popular legislation, instead of just going on to the next order of business once cloture failed.
If they did that, it would cost the GOP twice: first, in time, effort, and inconvenience; and second, by everyone watching C-SPAN2 seeing them talk talk talk to prevent a vote on a measure most Americans supported.
Or take impeachment: by declaring it “off the table” the Dems have tied their own hands. 40% of Americans want Bush and Cheney booted from office, but the Wise Men and Women of the Press don’t ever have to mention that, because it’s not on the table.
The problem is not with the Constitution, but that the GOP is willing to fight the Dems any which way they can, clean or dirty, but the Dems aren’t even willing to fight cleanly most of the time, because they’re afraid people might say they were fighting dirty.
Clusterfuck puttin his fingers in his ears and stickin out his tongue—”sue me”. He know that his sorry ass will be permanently gone before any court case is resolved.
“Fuck YOU america” George W. Bush
Inherent contempt. It’s the answer to the crisis and it has been litigated to the supreme court.
A diary at the orange place spelled out that Conyers has warned of it being done to Meiers.
Congress has the power to not use the courts but to literally imprison somebody themselves for contempt through the remainder of the term. They basically can hold Harriet as a prisoner of congress until January 2009 until she talks.
That would set a new paradigm in motion. Congress hasn’t used the power since the 30’s, going through the justice department, but it’s still in place.
Just jail Rove, Meiers, until they talk. There is no pardon applicable. They are being held for civil contempt.
Remember that everything that Adolph did leading up to the third reich was legal . . . . . until it didn’t matter any more.
Today when Cannon kept saying that is not “parlimentary langauge”. I kept thinking about the times that I have watched the British Parliament..if their system is an example of “parlimentary language” we need more of that straight talk.
Cannon is a horse’s ass. He was more concerned with “parlimentary language” than the fact that Meiers had completely defied congress’s subpoena.
Telling.
That’s it in a nutshell. Cogent post Thers.
Thank you kindly!
jayt @ 23
From Carpetbagger:
low-tech cyclist (formerly RT) @ 26
this is wellwritten.
No, no, no.
No, no, no. That is not the only way to enforce the subpoenas. Congress can do so directly, without going through the Justice Department. This has been thoroughly discussed by many others, and I refer you to
my previous comment discussing “inherent contempt.”
There you will find links to the documents indicating that Congress can send its own enforcer to Harriet Myers and drag her sweet bippy to the jail in the basement of the Congress.
Yes the country and congress are coming around, however, if things in Iraq were not going so badly most of the people here would still be having this discussion, but no one else in the country would. The America people, MSM, etc…only side with winners. That’s why it’s so important to make calculated decisions that keep pressing the issues and try and accumulate small victories. Once that has happened enough, and we’re getting close now, Congress will act. Why wouldn’t they? If they can successfuly take down this administration they will, it’s in the country’s, and more importantly to them, their own best interest to do so.
rwcole @ 26
That is exactly what the Bush administration is saying and doing.
GordonM @ 31
Wow, ask and ye shall receive! Thanks, Gordon! I had a feeling that would be the case, but it’s good to see the actual numbers.
kathleen @ 29
It’s all about defending the President through obfuscation and distraction. Why they would want to defend this President anymore I have no idea.
Can someone tell me what are the accomplishments of my party, the Dems, since the first month of this year?
kathleen @ 30
“Unparlimentary language” = facts unmediated by Tony Snow, Brit Hume or Fred Hiatt.
The HJC should have found Cannon’s horses**t to be unparlimentary language.
GordonM @ 31
During the 108th and 109th congress the Republicans never seemed to stop whining about the possibility of a fillibusters.
Where is the video of Watt?
Hugh @ 38
What keeps coming to me is the wiretapping that W and his henchmen have been doing for years. J.Edgar Hoover comes to mind but these guys have much better equipment. Just imagine all of the incriminating stuff W and Rover have accumulated on just about everyone in DeeCee.
Shudder.
We might get a “profile in courage” moment from the USA for DC.
It’s a thought.
I keep hearing this wonderful idea: Sen. Reid should make the Repubs mount a real filibuster if they want to block a bill, not this cloture dodge. Let the American people see their obstructionism in action!
But is there any indication that Sen. Reid is paying attention? Or if he is, that he has any intention of doing so?
It’s not clear to me what “democratic principles” you mean. And how are they distinct from respect for the mechanisms protected by the constitution?
I would argue that the constitutional idea — that government is limited and has only those powers enumerated — the rest belonging to the people (or the states respectively) — is an essential principle, not something inferior to “democratic” principles, but necessary for the latter.
The Constitution is undergoing perhaps it’s most extreme challenge ever — we don’t know the outcome, and it may be that no democratic system can withstand the sustained assault on reason, fairness, decency, honest, honor, etc that we’ve seen in the last decade or so — but it seems to me we are vastly better off within its framework, and using it’s methods, however imperfect, than other alternatives that you’ve yet to describe.
As for Parliamentary systems and no-confidence votes, I’m open to the argument, though these could easily fit within a constitutional framework. But I note that the UK has such a system and was unable to dislodge Blair.
Stuart Eugene Thiel @ 44
IIRC the USA for DC was not on the purge list. We know what that means.
No – the point is that the Bushites are willing to push the limits as far as they’ll go, and there are few ways to stop them in any short period of time.
The only way to affect change is to build an overwhelming political consensus. That’s made difficult by the enabling behavior of the media.
When the funding for the war is cut off, as I think it will be eventually, and Bush refuses to acknowledge this, then we’ll see just how committed to a nation of laws we are.
During the 108th and 109th congress the Republicans never seemed to stop whining about the possibility of a fillibusters.
I believe that the word was “obstructionists”.
A tactic of which Trent Lott is now damned proud.
kathleen @ 41
And in one of those hearings blogged yesterday, didn’t the Dem chairman slap down a Rep whiner (about how the hearing was a waste of time, no wonder it’s a do-nothing Congress) by giving him stats? Something like 35 bills sent to conference vs 17 in the last session. It would be in one of yesterday’s outstanding play-by-plays (mucho kudos to FDL for doing that stuff).
kathleen @ 40
That’s typical. They did no oversight and now they whine about all this oversight.
They were profligate in their spending, pork, and earmarks. Now all they do is whine about fiscal responsibility.
Democrats try to get the troops out of a murderous quagmire and the Republicans whine the Democrats aren’t supporting them.
And then, of course, when all else fails they blame Clinton.
formerly RT at 26 — I agree that a critical point is the Dems not realizing the seriousness of what they’re facing — if they had done that — or if they still can do that, and begin to use the weapons the Constitutional provides, they can save it — if not, it’s not the Constitution’s fault.
If this had happened with the Framers in the 1800’s, there would be a pistol duel with the arrogant treasoners roped up to a tree…
RevDeb @ 43
The Angler series certainly led me to draw the comparison to Stalin (who was a nobody, until he started working within the Kremlin’s phone system).
Our constitution is a very fragile thing. Trail of Tears ring a bell?
It’s amazing that the constitution was followed as often as it was since then.
Signing statements are of course the tip of the iceberg. Bush will refuse to remove the troops. He will play chicken. He will say fund them or they won’t eat, or won’t have any bullets.
It’s at that point that the Republicans finally have to decide if they are Americans or Republicans first. Party has always come first lately.
I seem to remember something about a Nooklear Option, maybe Harry Reid should call the good (shudder) Doctor Frist, or the catskinner as he is known to his fans.
Maybe our democracy is coming to an end?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 39
The House Dems have been very productive, the Senate Dems have allowed the Rethugs and/or Shrub’s vetoes to circumvent all that work!
The problem is not with the Constitution, but that the GOP is willing to fight the Dems any which way they can, clean or dirty, but the Dems aren’t even willing to fight cleanly most of the time, because they’re afraid people might say they were fighting dirty.
I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that not all the GOP’s playing dirty is unconstitutional. A lot of it is a willingness to violate traditions, spoken and unspoken.
At JTA’s breaking News
Jews slam Kucinich on Iran
07/12/2007
Jewish leaders slammed Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich for denying that Iran’s president seeks to destroy Israel.
Jewish leaders in Ohio, where Kucinich is a congressman, said Kucinich’s insistence that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad merely wants regime change in Israel, not death to its people and supporters, is dangerously credulous.
“Unfortunately it goes beyond naive,” Alan Melamed, president of the Cleveland chapter of the American Jewish Committee, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer on Wednesday.
Kucinich and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) were the only members of the U.S. House of Representatives to vote against a June 20 resolution condemning Iran’s president and asking the U.N. Security Council to move against Ahmadinejad for threats that violate the genocide conventions, the Plain Dealer said.Jewish leaders slammed Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich for denying that Iran’s president seeks to destroy
Israel.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..articleId=
4527
Here is what Juan Cole said about the inaccurate interpretation of Ahminijads quote
“But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.” It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.”
The phrase he then used as I read it is “The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).”
Juan Cole’s piece on what Ahminijad actually said
http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..chens.html
Getting back to the Political Hack Department, the Justice Department that’s essentially indistinguishable from it, and the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel’s opinion we found out about today:
I gotta admit, the opinion surprised me. They really are quite good at political tactics. I was simply expecting that Bush as ‘unitary Executive’ wouldn’t allow the US Attorney for DC to do anything more than sit on any contempt referral from Congress.
This is actually much more clever: not only does it short-circuit the standard contempt-of-Congress process, but it makes even inherent contempt problematic: who are you going to charge? You can charge Miers, but she’s got the opinion. You can charge whichever nobody in the OLC that was told to write the opinion as it was written, but that’s pretty pointless. So the only remaining option is impeachment, and Bush, Cheney, and Rove are all certain the Dems don’t have the guts for it.
(Randall P. McMurphy: “Which one of you nuts has got any guts?” My enduring question for the Dem Congressional leadership.)
But impeachment it must be. The opinion must be nullified, and how else do you do it? The Bush Administration’s policymakers are all in the White House inner circle, and those are the people that the opinion paper claims as inherently privileged, and immune to having to even show up for a Congressional hearing to state the nature of the privilege they’re exercising. This opinion guts Congressional oversight of this Administration.
Lessee: Dems can’t pass legislation, and their oversight authority has been gutted. They might as well impeach because they’ve got nothing better to do.
Anyway, it’s time to turn the Unitary Hackocracy into a weapon against itself, because that’s what we’re up against here. The DOJ was going to avoid prosecuting a contempt-of-Congress charge, one way or another, because the DOJ isn’t in any way independent of the White House: it’s just there to take orders.
So if that’s the case, then this opinion is Bush’s opinion, by the unitary principle. Bush himself, by the unitary principle, is the one claiming his White House is exempt from oversight. That’s worth impeaching over – that and the unitary bullshit itself, which pulls in Cheney as its architect.
Bush/Cheney simulpeachment. I know it won’t happen, but dammit, it ought to.
America needs to see the obstructionist GOP Senators actually filibuster respite for our brave troops, or funding for their body armor, or a troop redeployment.
The only way that’ll happen in our short-attention-span culture is if Harry Reid grows a pair. He needs to make the GOP actually filibuster these bills America wants passed. The GOP leadership is so unattractive and hateful, America will soon grow tired of seeing them reading the phone book on teevee.
Real filibusters, Harry. Give ‘em hell.
Oh my, I don’t know how I missed this today..
The House voted to withdraw troops beginning in 120 days. Yeas 223 Nays 201
Thers @ 59
Winning is everything to them. It doesn’t matter to them what they have to do as long as they win.
John Dean spelled it out so well in Conservatives Without Conscience.
kathleen @ 19
I’m getting another message.
If you all want your country back from these malfeasants…You’re going to have to take it.
Because they aren’t giving it up.
Stuart Eugene Thiel @ 44
He’s an interim Abu appointment, which means he’ll be fired if he even thinks about it.
This article further shows how we must take back every house and senate seat up for re-election in ‘08. We need some fix-em-ups.
Accomplishments?
OK– here’s a partial list:
Under Democratic leadership, the Senate has passed the following measures:
* A fiscally responsible budget: a budget that restores fiscal discipline and will lead to a surplus, while cutting middle-class taxes and funding foreign anddomestic priorities, including education, children’s health care, veterans, and our troops;
* 9/11 Commission recommendations: a bill to make America more secure by giving our first responders the tools they need to keep us safe; making it more difficult for potential terrorists to travel into our country; advancing efforts to secure our rail, air, and mass transit systems; and improving intelligence and information sharing between state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies;
* Homeland security funding: legislation that provides $1.05 billion in funding necessary to address dangerous border and transit vulnerabilities left open by the Bush Administration since 9/11;
* Support for our troops: legislation funding the President’s requests for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, including $1.2 billion in additional funding for a total of $3 billion to provide our troops in Iraq with mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles;
* Health care for wounded soldiers and veterans: legislation that provides $3 billion in supplemental funds for military health care and $1.8 billion in supplemental funds to the Department of Veterans’ Affairs to accommodate the increasing number of new veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan;
* Benchmarks for Iraq: legislation that conditions U.S. economic support for the Iraqi government on its progress toward achieving key political benchmarks;
* National Guard readiness: legislation to provide an additional $1 billion to President Bush’s request for National Guard equipment needs to remedy equipment shortfalls that are compromising the quality of force training and limiting the Guard’s ability to quickly respond to natural and potential man-made disasters at home;
* Continuing Resolution: legislation providing funding for the nine remaining appropriations bills that were not completed by Republicans in the 109th Congress. In passing this legislation, Democrats stayed within budget limits, eliminated earmarks, and increased funding for national priorities, including veterans’ medical care, Pell grants, elementary and secondary education, the National Institutes of Health, state and local law enforcement, and global AIDS prevention and treatment;
* Energy Bill: landmark legislation to increase our energy independence, strengthen the economy, reduce global warming emissions, and protect American consumers.
* American competitiveness: bipartisan legislation to increase the nation’s investment in basic and innovative research; strengthen educational opportunities in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics from elementary through graduate school; and develop the infrastructure needed to enhance innovation and competitiveness in the United States;
* Ethics and lobbying reform: a bill to slow the “revolving door” for former Senators and staff, strengthen limits on gifts and travel, expand lobbying disclosure requirements, establish a study commission on ethics and lobbying, prohibit pensions for Members of Congress convicted of certain crimes, and implement reform procedures relating to earmarks and conference reports;
* Minimum wage: legislation to increase the federal minimum wage to $7.25/hour;
* Middle-class tax cuts: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for permanent extensions of the Marriage Penalty tax relief, the $1,000 refundable Child Tax Credit; the 10 percent income tax bracket; the adoption tax credit; the dependent care tax credit; U.S. soldiers’ combat pay for the earned income tax credit; and reform of the estate tax to protect small businesses and family farms;
* AMT patch: the 2008 Budget Resolution ensures that the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative minimum tax will not increase in 2007, giving Congress and the Administration time to come up with a permanent solution;
* Head Start: a bill to expand eligibility for the Head Start program;
* Stem cell research: legislation to expand the number of human embryonic stem cells eligible for federally-funded research;
* Children’s health coverage: the 2008 Budget Resolution and the 2007 Emergency Supplemental provide needed funds for the Children’s Health Insurance Program;
* FDA reauthorization: a bill to greatly improve the Food and Drug Administration’s oversight of drug safety;
* Rebuilding the Gulf Coast: legislation providing a total of $6.4 billion for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, including $1.3 billion to complete levee and drainage repairs, $50 million to reduce violent crime in Gulf Coast states, and $110 million to repair the seafood and fisheries industries, which is vital to the region’s economic recovery;
* Army Corps reform: legislation to ensure that the Army Corps of Engineers does its job more effectively and soundly;
* Disaster assistance for small businesses: legislation providing recovery assistance for small businesses impacted by the 2005 hurricanes in an effort to revitalize the Gulf Coast economy;
* U.S. Attorney appointments: legislation ending the indefinite appointment of interim U.S. Attorneys and restoring the role of the Senate in the selection of U.S. Attorneys;
* Tax relief for small businesses: legislation providing a range of deficit-neutral tax incentives designed to help small businesses grow;
* Education and training: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for the largest increase since 2002 in funding for elementary and secondary programs; and
* Energy and environment programs: legislation increasing funding for basic science research at the Department of Energy and for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 33
Thanks, Mabel!
Thanks for that.
I’m skeptical that will happen — though it should. It would certainly send a message.
they’ll have to pry the constitution out of my cold, dead hands.
Thers @ 48
That I abs-posi-defi-lutely agree with.
Unfortunately, playing a game of chicken with a sociopath is a very dangerous activity.
And double-bad, I think Alfred is spot on – that Bush is actually looking for an ego saving way to get the troops out of harms way – so he can unleash on Iran.
Joe LiarMan wants to attack Iran – let the Iranians kill Americans in Iran, so they don’t have to travel to Iraq to do it. It also keeps ‘em from killing HoJo’s constituents in Israel!
By the way, any left over soldiers, line up over here behind Colonel Bill Kristol for a trip to Pakistan…let’s fight everybody in the world over there, so we don’t have to fight ‘em here!
Mabel’s very literary
I tend to think if ‘you want the country back, then we are going to have to take it back’. But then I’m a radical.
Eureka Springs @ 63
This ain’t what the decider said this morning…btw, we may as well not discuss the Libby case anymore either, the decider decided that after hard work thinking about it, he commuted Scooter’s onerous sentence and it is time to move on……..gotcha – you pitiful excuse for a wimp!
TeddySanFran @ 61
America needs to see the obstructionist GOP Senators actually filibuster respite for our brave troops, or funding for their body armor, or a troop redeployment.
The only way that’ll happen in our short-attention-span culture is if Harry Reid grows a pair. He needs to make the GOP actually filibuster these bills America wants passed. The GOP leadership is so unattractive and hateful, America will soon grow tired of seeing them reading the phone book on teevee.
Real filibusters, Harry. Give ‘em hell.
Put a bill on the table on the last day before August vacation – *then* make ‘em filibuster.
It’s not clear to me what “democratic principles” you mean. And how are they distinct from respect for the mechanisms protected by the constitution?
An example might help: it would not be unconstitutional for the GOP to make photo IDs mandatory for voting, but that would certainly be undemocratic.
My point is that the Constitution has not prevented the GOP in general and the Bushites in particular from restricting all sorts of freedoms. This is not the “fault” of the Constitution, any system can be abused, but it is to recognize its limits.
So I agree with all those saying that what is necessary is political action and commitment.
Gonna be a doozy of a late nite post tonight. It’s all about Republicans and Ess Eee Ex.
punaise @ 71
I think “they” won’t mind doing that one bit. One less punaise will not faze. ;0)
Nice list, rwc. Gonna keep that one handy for when the “do-nothing” charges start flying again.
TRex @ 79
wee forelimbs flying over the Remington keys!
jayt @ 77
Put a bill on the table on the last day before August vacation – *then* make ‘em filibuster.
With these bozos just put a bill on the table this friday afternoon… it will pass before the brothel closes that night.
Teddy
Yeah I’ve posted it several times- but somehow it’s never had the desired effect.
Of course the MAIN accomplishment is
“NO MORE FASCIST JUSTICES”
I have been saying for years that our government, our constitution is outdated and a failure. It is a clever document, and it worked for a different era, but it has long past its usefullness. Time to toss out the constitution and establish a system more responsive to the PEOPLE and not the POWER and in this case the MONEY.
It’s broke, toss it out and let’s start again and hopefuly get it right this time.
Lessee: Dems can’t pass legislation, and their oversight authority has been gutted. They might as well impeach because they’ve got nothing better to do.
Hehindeed.
TRex @ 79
Lots of talk about zippers I’ll bet. And not the Squirrel Nut kind.
Those self-righteous folk sure have nothing to be righteous about, do they?
EEEEEEEEEEEK.
I hope you will be providing the smelling salts.
TRex @ 79
Watch it, or the FCC will get medieval on you.
Why do people call Justice Kennedy the swing vote on the SCOTUS?……He looks to me like the guy that shines the shoes for the Scalito-Thomas bunch and then votes however they tell him to on any issue.
TeddySanFran @ 62
Me thinks we need to give Harry some hell with high traffic emails demanding the leader LEAD with filibusters or whatever it takes. Last time I looked this email address is still operative:
http://www.giveemhellharry.com…..8#comments
RevDeb @ 64
It even goes beyond that. I think it was Rick Perlstein that had a post about how, when they had the majority, instead of going for a bill that got a large majority, they would keep adding crap into it until it just barely passed (like the DHS employees can’t unionize). It has been a concerted campaign to divide and disempower (the Rove doctrine). It seems to be backfiring, but I’ve got all my fingers and toes crossed, just in case.
SanderO @ 85
Any idea on how to accomplish this?
Thers @ 79
The Constitution is not self enforcing. Citizens and elected officials have to use it’s mechanisms. Faced with lawless behavior that will not respond to other means, you use it’s power of impeachment, or you cut off funding of the office or entire department that engages in lawless behavior. These are powerful tools that are sitting there waiting to be used.
If those whose rights are being systematically abused do not use these tools, then no resort to “democratic principles” will save them. The Constitution presumes a people who actually want to preserve a democratic republic and are willing to fight to sustain it. If that is your point, we agree — but why suggest the constitution is not a critical piece?
Thers – I think your assessment that the Constitution is flawed is based upon a misapprehension about what the Constitution actually provides by way of inherent powers to the three branches (easy to do in today’s America and with today’s state media). In other words, the Constitution as currently “practiced” is indeed mightily flawed – but that’s not the Constitution’s fault. It’s the fault of our legislators who refuse to exercise their inherent Constitutional powers, or to enforce the Constitutional limits of the Executive Branch by appealing to the Judicial Branch as need be and by using their own powers of impeachment.
For example:
In what sort of world would the Founders have designed the war powers of Congress such that only a simple majority vote of Congress is required (without involvement or signature of the president) to get us into a war, but a presidential veto override supermajority vote of Congress is required to get us out???
In an insane world, that’s what sort. And the late 1700s were remarkably sane, all things considered, which is why the United States Congress can end the fighting in Iraq with a simple unilateral majority vote to do so under their unmentioned and unused but inherent and unilateral powers as enumerated in Section 8, Clause 11 of Article I. That’s what our Founders would have expected our legislators to do. And that’s exactly what they should do. We can in fact, as prescribed by our Constitution, vote to get out of Iraq more easily than we got in, because we don’t need to obtain the advice and consent of the president whatsoever to exercise and assert the inherent war-making and war-ending powers of our Legislative Branch.
Http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
I will agree that the modern two-party faction system (as anticipated and feared by our Founders) has blocked full implementation of our Constitution. But again, that is the fault of the artificially-enforced two-and-ONLY-two party system; an artificial faction system, maintained in the television age by impossible campaign costs for those relying solely on support from the people, which is most definitely not a part or an intended product or result of our Constitution.
SanderO @ 85
So just what do you propose in its place? Because to me, it sounds like a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water. There’s a strong framework available with 231 years behind it that it would be shame to just toss into the trash.
Now if we could get a couple of amendments passed that would stop treating corporate entities as “people” for constitutional purposes and that would block the definition of cash as “speech” then we may have a common talking point.
But I rather like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and all those other meaningless pieces of paper that have amended it over the years.
TRex @ 79
Will there be diapers?
And policemen?
FDL is so luck to get Thers
I bet folks have all ready read this one by John Dean. If not it’s a good one …
Cheney.. above the law?
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070629.html
two beers @ 97
Can I come? Or is the the kind that I get sent to go read a book instead?
dakine01 @ 96
Hear! Hear!
France and Italy have been through a few dozen Constituions in less time, and it sure ain’t ’cause we stuck with a loser.
I’d go for Instant Runoff Voting, or a proportional representation amendment to break the back of two parties only, but you hit the biggies.
Off topic, sorry.
Trex, saw this and thought of you.
http://www.cribcandy.com/pets/…..eoffset=50
xo
zen
SnarKassandra @ 100
Aunt Betsy? You out there? What do you think?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
OKK, there have been many. The house has passed many bills that were sent to the Senate, and then were dead. This is not something that will be lost on the American people if the dems advertise it at election time in ‘08.
Look at all of the hearings already, they do get mention on the regular MSM news, and it’s causing Americans to rethink the Bushtalk.
Issues like healthcare (Surgeon General) are seeping into the psyche, with the help of Michael Moore.
There are many more congresscritters separating themselves from the war.
I think that most everyone knows that Libby’s pardon was only for cover.
At least I hope I’m right, OKK. I think the GOP is flailing miserably.
What Thers says is true, though. We need to look at the Constitution for possibilities of abuse. Bushco has been nothing other than brillant in subverting it. Nothing.
zennurse @ 102
It’s so nice to see you at the Lake!
{{{{{{{{{{{{zen}}}}}}}}}}}}
Didn’t mean to suggest that — it’s what we have to work with.
I think the Constitution is actually a cynical document. It presumes that individuals and institutions will try to amass as much power as possible. Hence checks and balances. But its structures are unfortunately much better at restricting would-be kings from gaining a concentration of power than they are unscrupulous modern political parties.
RevDeb @ 103
I will show her the post and THEN she will send me to get a book!
A good point.
TRex @ 80
Not a good combination these days. Will it get through the filters?
TRex @ 78
Sounds tittilating. How about that Miss New Jersey!
Well, in case I don’t come to late night, two new posts in the last 24 hours.
And a new one by Emily on YouThinkLeft: Myth About Organics Debunked
Maybe the whole issue of Presidential pardon should be taken out of the Constitution. It carries far too much weight. Presidents are not Kings/Queens. Perhaps the whole pardon issue should be shifted to Congress.
Thers @ 106
It’s designed to make drastic changes very difficult, and change in general to be slow. We might be in relocation camps right now if that were not so.
For those of you who may have missed it, C&L has Keith’s opus Special Comment on
Chertgut.
RevDeb @ 114
thanks!
Thers @ 106:
I think I can concur with that assessment without hesitation. To my mind, that’s an argument for a long overdue Constitutional amendment about the method of financing campaigns for public office and for implementing Instant Run-off Voting, etc., in order to end the modern dictatorship of the two-party system.
Chutzpah from today’s Bush presser.
This from the guy with more than 4 years of failure in Iraq behind him.
Sure. But then again, that’s also to say that the Constitution could not prevent such developments.
The constitution is not the problem.
Congress has impeachment powers in the constitution. And this is exactly what they are meant for.
The problem is that our elected officials are placing campaign contributions first, party second, and corporations third. Nowhere on the list is respect for the electorate or the constitution.
Any member of the house that isn’t for impeachment is pro-Bush. That’s the facts. Most of the Democrats in Congress are just as pro-Bush and anti-American as their friends in the GOP. And that’s the problem – not the constitution.
zennurse @ 102
Gasp!
SAVAGES!!
Eureka Springs @ 62
I missed it too. Those votes will count come reelection time, I’ll betcha.
Loo Hoo. @ 121
Do we know how many Dems voted Nay?
Seymour Hersch and Scott Ritter have been on target and trying to wake us up for years in regard to the Bush administrations agenda with Iran.
This is a must read by Seymour from 2005…”the Iran Plan”
http://www.newyorker.com/archi…..417fa_fact
Scott Ritter on Iran…we are all ready in Iran.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-31.htm
U.S. special forces or Mossad could be twisting the IED supply into Iraq. Create a reason for the Bush administration to pre-emptively strike. Hey Israel and the U.S. have done this before.
I especially appreciate Flynt Leverett expertise on Iran (ex CIA analyst and middle east expert who left the Bush administration just before the invasion because he disagreed)
Flynt is at the New American Foundation. He is the man to listen to about Iran.
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..of_america
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..n_and_iraq
This is all about how the White House forced the CIA to censor Flynt Leveretts 1000 word op-ed draft planned for the New York Times
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co…..use_offici
Loo Hoo. @ 120
10 Dems voted against. Some from the anti-war side like Kucinich.
Only 4 Republicans voted with the Dems for the bill showing that the Republicnas are as batsh*t crazy as ever.
Perhaps I should be more specific. What is meant by ‘accomplishment’ is bottom-line stuff. What has my party achieved since Jauary that has made life better for Americans (as in feeling safer, health care, economics, education, war prevention and global warming etc.)? ‘Achievement’ is in this case perhaps a more apt word than ‘accomplisment’. Tangibility is the question, the issue and the name of the game for this Democrat. ;0)
I’d like to see the Electoral College dumped for openers.
Thanks for helping me to clarify my thoughts on this.
“Yes. I don’t think Congress ought to be running the war. I think they ought to be funding our troops. I’m certainly interested in their opinion, but trying to run a war through resolution is a prescription for failure, as far as I’m concerned, and we can’t afford to fail.”
I listened to the presser for as long as I could stand it today and when he said this, I said out loud (to the cat) that the Congress is the elected voice of the American People, you idiot, and they are an equal branch of the government representing the millions of taxpayers who pay your lousy check. Every answer was recycled bu—=it from every other presser since the beginning of the war, every useless word, every stupid justification. His arrogance in the face of the rejection of the average person just leaves me breathless.
Listening to Gen Clark on radio saying we need to start removing troops now because it will take at least a year to move the process along.
friends,am running off to the hospital. It’s the dad.
May be saying goodbye, the good news would be a few weeks of Hospice care. It’s like that.
Thanks…
TRex @ 120
Sorry, I’m sure hospice was involved.
kinda cute, huh?
Thers @ 126
It might be tough to get a couple of senators from the population centers of Wyoming and Utah to sign off on that.
Thers @ 118 – Granted, assuming that you don’t consider the possibility of amending the Constitution to be part of the ability of the Constitution to ‘prevent such developments.’ The obvious remedy is to use the amending provisions of the Constitution to improve it so as to end such dangerous-to-our-Republic developments. The Founders knew such developments would occur (though they were not perhaps quite able to anticipate how far a Legislative Branch could and would go in ceding our powers to the Executive), and planned for them by way of enabling future amendment of the Constitution.
Problem is that in terms of polls, the Democrats are in as much trouble as the GOP.
Any lawyers out there who can explain how Libby can continue to appeal his case. I thought a pardon or commutaion of sentence mandatorily placed the acceptance of guilt upon the defendant. Apparently one cannot reject a Presidential pardon, even if such implies guilt.
So why is Libby still allowed to press his appeal? And assert 5th Amendment protections from self-incrimination?
And if he rejects the commutation, and Judge Walton accepts that is valid and Libby can press ahead with his appeal, then Libby has to go to jail.
Elliott @ 115
Thanks again.
TRex @ 79
YHoo, boy.
demi @ 128
blessings . . . .
demi @ 128
All blessings to you and your family, start hospice now if you can. The sooner you start, the more help you have.
I’m a hospice nurse.
namaste
demi @ 128
((( demi )))
demi:
Thoughts and prayers and blessings…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 125
Sir Kiddo, I have great respect for you……but the fact is your party are not magicians. They can’t create a veto proof majority when they don’t have one. The fact is, the progess on any kind of progressive legislative agenda is stalled because president preschool still wields a veto crayon, and he’s still got enough repub nannies in congress that are scared of his temper tantrums that it can’t be erased when he scrawls it.
Not saying your party the Dems don’t have plenty of faults….they do. But fer crying out loud, let’s not blame our friends — such as they are — for the evil of our enemies.
I don’t think it was set up to handle political parties of any kind. If I’m not mistaken, political parties are simply not mentioned in the constitution. It assumes that Congress members will first see themselves as members of Congress, rather than party members. It assumes that when elected officials swear to uphold the constitution, they actually will do so.
The constitution is just a damned piece of paper. What is needed is for citizens to believe in it.
This isn’t a point. It’s an unfounded assertion. Care to be more specific? Which constitutional principles are you drawing a bead on?
The one thing which the Republicans respect other than greed, power and ruthlessness is strength. The Democratic leadership appears unable to come to grips with this. It is not a difficult concept.
oddmommy @ 140
No magic wand – just slogging along doing our best.
Loo Hoo. @ 135
Well, you know what they say Fedsex is about overnight delivery.
D’oh!
2-Year-Old has woken up and has smeared Play Doh in her hair.
Gotta fly — night all.
cinnamonape @ 133
For now, the conviction stands, only the jail sentence has been nullified, so he can still appeal. Should he (utterly likely) lose on appeal, Bush can still pardon him up through his last day as Presidunce.
Libby can’t (and won’t) reject the commutation — c’mon, that would mean going to jail pending appeal. Which he ain’t about to do, ‘cuz he knows that the hole card is the pardon.
All nicely wrapped up.
pow wow @ 131
They also made it very difficult to do. Am I missing something or wouldn’t this self-serving bunch of egotists not even consider passing amendments— within congress let alone pass on to the states—that would take away their $$ power.
It seems to me that the only way we will ever break free of the tangled mess we are in is through the total federal funding of elections. Making that into a reality is beyond what I have the ability to imagine given the current situation.
Amen to that. But nothing is going to happen until Dems start kicking some Repug butt. They backed down once…if they do again then they are done.
demi @ 128
((((demi))))
In spite of the impressive list of accomplishments, what I see with the Congress, the Senate particularly, is that they move close, closer to the level of guts required, but it’s like they are looking off the edge of a cliff and can’t make themselves jump. I was totally annoyed during the HJC hearing yesterday at the buddy-buddy atmosphere among the Reps, including Conyers, with his atta-boy introductions. There is no fire in the belly, at least I don’t feel it.
I plan to keep my party’s feet in the fire. No ifs. No ands. And no buts. ;0)
Elliott @ 149
Thoughts and prayers with you.
Another article up at the NYT, Bush Distorts Qaeda Links, Critics Assert by Michael Gordon no less. He does indeed take issue with the assertion that Osama’s al Qaeda and al Qaeda in Mesopotamia are the same. Now if Gordon will only stop equating al Qaeda in Mesopotamia with the whole of the Sunni insurgency, that would be nice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..da.html?hp
zennurse in the House!!!!!!
xoxoxo
oddmommy @ 140
Not for the evil, but for their own ineptness. The repugs have only to whisper “filibuster”, and Harry Reid caves. Why not make them really do it, force their hand. The result just might be a wake up call for Americans wondering why nothing is happening. Dems are too damn nice for their own good. If they don’t have the guts, get out of the way and let someone else try.
The trouble isn’t that they exploit the Constitution (they do) or that the Constitution is flawed, the problem is that they lie.
Alberto Gonzales will never go after anyone in the White House, no matter what the crime. That’s not the Constitution’s fault. That’s a criminal ignoring the Constitution in order to protect his President, even if he broke the law.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 142
When you are playing against people like that, you have two very, very disjunct choices:
- you can play like they do
- you can be a saint.
If you have taken the saint road, and ever, even for a second, put your foot on the other road, you have to start all over again. OTOH, if you take the first road, you will be one of them in a few years.
It’s why I dropped out of management after 3 years. I wasn’t going to let myself get crucified, and I would never, ever be one of them.
zennurse @ 150
Yes zen, it was very difficult to watch. It was as if comity was more important than the Constitution and the law to Conyers. Rep. Sanchez redeemed them today. She’s got the fire. Let her lead and something might happen.
BobbyG @ 154
Hey, bud, how’s Vegas?
good seeing you.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 151
And you plan to do that by typing the same gawdamn thing over and over again on FDL?
GeorgeSimian @ 156
Hertbreakingly true, well said.
Thers @ 145
Wasn’t Play Doh a Greek philosopher?
BobbyG @ 146
While clemency or commutation comes out of the pardon power, it differs from it in that it doesn’t have to be accepted by the one who receives it for it to have its effect. This is because it originally came out of death sentence cases which were commuted to life in prison. The subject of the clemency had no say in the matter.
I don’t think so. It’s not that they are so brilliant, it is that so many Americans are so indifferent in particular career congressfolks. Anything looks smart next to indifference.
This article from the Independent will make your gut hurt. I have heard some horrendous stories myself from young men who have returned from Iraq and live in southeastern Ohio. (I believe these stories just scratch the surface )
“A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi”
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..758829.ece
The discussion about whether constitutional is the same as democratic, reminds me: We are a republic, not necessarily the same thing as a democracy.
I remember coming to this country as a young adult and being perplexed by the lack of presidential responsibility to elected delegates. That was in the Nixon days. Unfortunately we seem to be back in those days.
Congress can piddle around with contempt charges from now through 2008, but it’s a total waste of time. The transparent administration strategy is to run out the clock. They rightly (so far) believe that Dems lack the guts to take charge of the situation. Only the Dems can begin the process of exercising the Constitutional remedies to stop this criminal gang. Since the threat of contempt process means nothing to Bush, consider what else stonewalling means: obstruction of justice – a high crime. Sure, contempt charges can be referred to DOJ, but it’s a silly waste of time, so why bother? The logical and necessary next step is to begin an impeachment inquiry in the House. This allows access to the Fitz investigatory records and does away with exec privilege claims altogether. If they want to stonewall, fine, just recommend the resolution to the House, and send it to the Senate for trial. Investigation and hearings in an impeachment inquiry will get much more evidence of criminal behavior into the public record. By the time it the impeachment resolution goes to the Senate, it will be nearer the 2008 election. Repugs will be faced with the choice of possible reelection vs continued support for the criminal regime. Many will then choose impeachment.
Only the Dems can begin the impeachment process. Only with some of the Repugs’ support can the Senate convict. But once the process is rolling, it will not be stopped. There is too much evidence. Repugs will turn, just as they did on Nixon.
An impeachment in process will also further weaken administration ability to sustain its war agenda in Congress.
RevDeb, I saw the liveblog of the non-hearing today, just shocking. I’ll go to the link and listen to her statement.
Diane Rhem, on radio, just interrupted a speaker on her show who was saying she understood the sacrifice of the troops, saying that she cannot understand because she doesn’t have a son or daughter in Iraq, she doesn’t have a loved one there. Very powerful. Very correct. Very much what I think when I hear Bush say “I understand that America has war fatigue.” He understands nothing.
elef @ 166
As Benjamin Franklin said, A republic if you can keep it.
QuakerGirl @ 164
A lot of it is they have packed the courts with Heritage Foundation types, who in spite of their traditional conservative claims to the Constitution, actually only serve money and right wing power. This is backed by the corporate media. So it is a different problem to solve, and whining about the democrats is getting to be fucking annoying.
Maybe y’all should sign up for some Karl Rove paychecks, because he’d be happy to have the so called liberals arrange a circular firing squad.
zennurse @ 159
Vegas is 110F degrees of awesome.
Heading to Florida this weekend to get my Ma and bring her to a nursing home here. Moved my Dad here (same nursing home) about 5 weeks ago.Mom is not doing well. Been in the hospital for more than 3 months.
The Lovely Couple will be reunited next week. Dueling wheelchairs to ensue, LOL!
SeamusD @ 155
Back in the 60s or 70s, the Senate changed the rules to allow “procedual” filibusters which is what we are dealing with most of the time today under Senate rule 22. At the same time, the cloture vote was dropped to 60 votes from 67 (2/3).
There is a web site out there, that I can’t find right now, that is pushing a petition requesting Reid to force a traditional filibuster onto the Republics, which the Majority Leader can do. My request through the petition was that Sen Reid set the agenda starting at the end of this month and hold the Senate in session and force the traditional filibuster on Iraq and force the Rs to keep voting against the troops so that even the dimmest bulbs can get the message.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 160
I stand by what I ‘typed’. Other than I don’t think I’ll take the bait. Have a nice night. ;O)
Snarkassandra at 101.
You of all people had better come. What is left of this country after the dust settles will be in your hands, and we don’t want you and your generation to make the same mistakes.
elef @ 166
I thought the derivation was the same only “democratic” is Latin and “republic” is Greek. Correct me otherwise.
I don’t know if we are all talking about the same D senators I have watched pave the way to attacks on Iran the last two days..
True, RevDeb @ 147. We have come to quite a pass, where in many ways the most corrupt branch of our government is the Legislative Branch, which would need to approve any Constitutional amendment to undercut their beloved two-party stranglehold system. Just maybe, however, there are enough silver linings and side benefits from removing the need to constantly fund-raise and sell their souls, that we might even get this legislature to act to do the right thing in that regard. That’s why we all keep trying to be heard in Washington, obviously. We don’t know what else to do, or how else to effect the changes that are desperately needed to get our Republic back on track.
((demi…best wishes to you and your family))
BobbyG @ 152
praying for you and your family,,, keep whispering to your pops, hearing is the last to go. Bless him, and BLess you for being by his side.
RevDeb @ 103
This whole clusterfuck is too serious. Snarkassandra had better be there. The rest of us might not be around after the war.
zennurse @ 168
Zen nurse read this one. More of America’s “compassionate conservatism” being spread around Iraq.
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..758829.ece
Quaker girl @ 175:
It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government–that is, featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically–is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic. This double meaning of Democracy–a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government–needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.
These two forms of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority; as we shall now see.
further info here
QuakerGirl @ 175
It’s the other way round.
Greek: demos people plus kratos rule.
Latin: res matters plus publicae public
TRex is upstairs
BobbyG @ 146
I still don’t understand how one can accept a commutation of a sentence without acknowledging that the crime HAS BEEN COMMITTED. In addition if one accepts the stricture of the the supervised service (as apparently Libby and his lawyers have) it means that they have de facto accepted the commutation AND the remainder of the verdict.
And if the appeal is denied then certainly at point, Libby would be compelled to testify on issues that he would not face additional jeopardy upon.
And if given use immunity by Congress or Fitz I can’t see how he could deny testifying – there would be no criminal jeopardy for him (provided he testified honestly) and pleading the 5th would seem to irrelevant to his future incarceration.
It’s true that Bush could p-ardon him if his appeal failed. But that would open him up to testifying…even without immunity, on those issues. Of course he wasn’t charged with conspiracy, or a host of other things, so he could still clam up without immunity.
Give him immunity and he has to spill…or face further charges.
And late night is up.
“ The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 170
Agree with that.
That’s too much. We’re hashing it out. People are learning that a “majority” ain’t enough in the Senate. 60 to make real progress. 67 to win.
And there’s a fair number of Democrats who are fucking annoying, so add a few to those numbers. At least Zell isn’t there anymore.
Oh please! There’s nothing wrong with the Constituion. The Dems can end the war if they had the balls. Simply refuse to pass a spending bill that doesn’t defund the war. Go eyeball to eyeball with President Sht for Brains and his Congressional lackeys and we’ll see whether or not the people really want to end the war. End of story.
“[When] corruption.. has prevailed in those offices [of]… government and [has] so familiarized itself as that men otherwise honest could look on it without horror,… [then we must] be alive to the suppression of this odious practice and… bring to punishment and brand with eternal disgrace every man guilty of it, whatever be his station.” –Thomas Jefferson to W. C. C. Claiborne, 1804. (*)
Just because Bush and Gonzales say they haven’t broken the law doesn’t mean they haven’t. What’s that got to do with the Constitution?
GordonM @ 188
You are agreeing with me, so don’t disagree with me.
Democracy Now
“If soldiers came from Another country and did this to my family, I would become and insurgent too: War Vet Describes Iraq house raid
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..12/1726248
This story sounds just like one that I heard from an 18 year old soldier who had just come back from Iraq in late 2003. He has gone back 2 more times.
Here’s a few debunks of bullshit myths that aren’t really myths but are actually taken straight from the talking points of Rove and his Think Tank buddies…
1. We can’t pull out of Iraq.
Why not? Because they say there will be civil war? They said this war would be a cake walk. Nothing they say has any credibility so why believe this, which is just another prediction.
We could pull out of there in three days. What really has to happen. You just tell them to leave, and they pack up and go.
2. Impeachment is a waste of time because it will never be won
Why not? Because there’s too many Republicans in the Senate? There could easily be a conviction. Let’s get some evidence in front of Congress and see if the Republicans really want to let that go in front of the people when they are actually paying attention.
3. Let’s move on.
We’re already looking at 2008 as the only way to change things. Moving on is the mantra of Bush and it will be the mantra of Congress after Bush’s term expires. Iraq is a disaster because we invaded. It’s not about us dealing with the situation now with no regards to the crime that brought us into Iraq. We should not move on until Bush gets some punishment for his crimes.
Ivan @ 188
Unfortunately, Commander youknowwho would turn it into a game of chicken – leave the troops there; use any withdrawal funding to buy them ammo and leave them there. You don’t think he’s capable of killing 150,000 troops? Sure he is – cause he’d be able to blame it on the Dems.
I feel the sickening feeling of America being punk’d. Just like the election, decided by a court he or his father appointed, so will criminal investigation into Bush. We must have total independent investigations with total power.
Hugh @ 182
dakine01 @ 181
further info here
Thank you for the link. With so much confusion throughout the world by countries describing themselves as a republics when they have few of those aspects creates confusion for the common person trying to understand where they fit in. Perhaps that is why so many just let the “elite” rule. How people choose to be governed should not be so confusing. The evolution from egalitarian bans to tribal systems to nations becomes so difficult for humans to understand how and why they are governed in a particular manner. They do not intend for things to go so awry and short of overthrowing the one in the seat of power, they have little choice since elections often are manipulated.
Thus the eternal cycle of violent overthrow of rulers be they elected or installed – Chili, French Revolution, Sukarno in Indonesia, Argentina, England, Iraq, etc. I always thought of our Constitution as the blueprint that holds us together but without checks and balances and accountability we can degenerate into authoritarian rule.
Hugh @ 182
That derivqtion sounds about right, but I thought that now the word “republic” is generally used to mean the kind of government that has an executive separate from the legislative body. E.g., Britain is a democracy but not a republic. Correct me if I’m wrong.
whoops – just saw a terrific explanation by dakine01 @ 181 of republican and deomocratic forms of government . Thanks
“The point is that a commitment to democratic principles must supersede even a commitment to Constitutional principles.”
Really? You actually mean that?
Thank you!
It’s nice to hear a substantial idea in reference to all the madness, and a post not drenched in rage.But then it creates a frightening gap in our sense of security, once we realize that we must patch up, revise, improve upon, our revered documents. All of the fear that feeds the conservativism of folks who decry “activist” judges, all of that fear comes out, when they contemplate someone actually arrogating himself to the position of changing the Constitution. And there is the nightmare thought that a Fundamentalist “moralism” might creep into any changes made.
So we had better talk about this a bit(i enjoy understatement), and then take considered action. I know that mostly we complain, opine, vent, analyse, etc; but if the real needs of this country’s present and future are not adequately served by the documents we are speaking of, we do have a duty to consider some alteration or addition in order to be faithful to the sense of the originals.
The Constitution isn’t the problem here. It provides a perfectly valid mechanism to correct the kinds of abuses we see today, in the form of a.) the second amendment and b.) an informed, outraged population. The American people are the ultimate “deciders” in our system of government, but when you have an absentee boss the employees can get away with many hijinks.
If the executive branch is out of control and the other branches aren’t exercising their constitutional powers (filibuster or no, articles of impeachment for Gonzales, Cheney and Bush should have been drawn up some time ago) fully to stop it, then we have no one left to blame but ourselves.
Your blaming the Constitution for the republican mess we have today is misplaced. The Constitution provides broad outlines for organization of the government and division of responsibilities. It is intentionally not thoroughly detailed in order to allow flexibility, which in turn is what makes it still relevant today. For the details, the people have to hold the politicians accountable. And for that to happen, it is abundantly clear that the framers were counting on an independent and government-suspicious press. That the mainstream media – the main source of information for the people to know what their government is up to – has been thoroughly corrupted by the cult of republicanism is why the bushliar-criminal regime is free to do whatever they want including violate laws without being held accountable; and it is why the bushliar-criminal regime was close enough to be selected in 2000 and elected in 2004, and is why impeachment proceedings weren’t initiated the moment bush illegalities became known and obvious, including garnering republican support.
It is US corporate media misinforming the American public – for more than a generation putting republicans in a positive light and democrats in a negative light – that is broken and in need of fixing, not the Constitution.
No amount of Constitution twiddling will ever make up for the pernicious, corrosive effects of a biased media so easily manipulated by one group.
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No amount of Constitution twiddling will ever make up for the pernicious, corrosive effects of a biased media so easily manipulated by one group.
My point exactly.
“The point is that a commitment to democratic principles must supersede even a commitment to Constitutional principles.”
Really? You actually mean that?
Yup. All sorts of restrictions on freedom as well as abuses of power are possible under the Constitution.
The operating assumption has been that you need to impeach the President and work your way down. If the US Attorney for DC refused to seek indictment for and prosecute contempt of Congress, then you impeach that one and the guy that wrote the legal opinion. Impeachment and removal from office is how you get of them.
SnarKassandra @ 111
SnarKassandra @ 111
is anybody else tired of this girl spammin’ up FDL? stay on topic, and quit spamming.
Robert @ 207
Nope.