From the Los Angeles Times on Monday:
Drew Westen, a genial 48-year-old psychologist and brain researcher, was talking to a rapt liberal audience about the role of emotion in politics, how to talk back aggressively to Republicans, and why going negative is not to be feared.
. . . Example: When President Bush recently refused to allow Karl Rove to testify under oath about his role in the sacking of federal prosecutors, Westen said, Democrats blundered. Instead of insisting Rove testify under oath, they simply should have said (over and over), "Mr. Bush, just what is it about 'So help me God' that you find so offensive?"
. . . In his new book, The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation, Westen, who is not affiliated with a particular candidate, lays out his argument that Democrats must connect emotionally with the American electorate — and that he can teach them how.
He writes that when Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts let a Swift-boat veterans group drag his reputation through the mud (2004), when Al Gore put a nation to sleep with his talk of lockboxes and Medicare actuaries (2000), and when Michael S. Dukakis said he didn't believe in the death penalty even in the event of his wife's rape and murder (1988), Democrats were exhibiting their single worst tendency: intellectual dispassion.
That style is ballot-box poison, said Westen. "The political brain is an emotional brain," he said. "It prefers conclusions that are emotionally satisfying rather than conclusions that match the data."
When Westen and his Emory colleagues conducted brain scans during the 2004 presidential campaign, they found that partisans of either side, when presented with contradictory statements by their preferred candidates, would struggle for some seconds with feelings of discomfort, then resolve the matter in their candidates' favor.
Westen gets a little carried away with his theorizing at times (in a similar article in the New York Times, he offers some dubious advice about using the fear of terrorism to boost support for gun control), but much of what he says fits well with the framing theories of George Lakoff, not to mention the less academic (and, uh, less rapturously received) arguments I've been floating for the past couple of years.
Too often, Democrats and other progressives treat politics as a courtroom or a classroom, where the most comprehensively documented and tightly reasoned case will carry the day. While that may appeal to our way of thinking, sadly it just isn't so for everyone; many voters simply don't have the time or the inclination to pay that much attention. So the difference between winning and losing elections can be a candidates' ability to send the clear emotional/moral signals that get low-information voters to rationalize in favor of them instead of against them.
This is one reason why I've favored a censure motion over the Libby commutation -- not as a step that excludes impeachment or other measures, but as an opportunity to draw a moral line in the sand right away, making clear to Americans who is on which side. After all, Nixon resigning in the face of impeachment didn't stop the same criminal crowd from coming in with Reagan six years later, and the Iran-Contra convictions didn't stop them from coming back with Shrubya.
The only real solution, in the long term, is to rewire voters' subconscious associations so they stop linking the GOP strong-daddy pose with morality and common sense -- and, as a result, stop electing the crooks who wind up deserving to be ousted or imprisoned. In that sense, Nancy Pelosi or John Edwards or Howard Dean saying, "This is an issue of right and wrong, and [insert name of Republican] just doesn't get it," is more damning than any legal indictment or bill of impeachment.
Of course, leave it to Democrats to need a brain researcher with a Ph.D. to explain this to them. Without the references to neural circuits and the amygdala, they wouldn't buy it.
(Photo of Bush via the Associated Press.)
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zunoed?
My head still hurts from the press conference.
hiya, Swopa!
Good find Swopa,
But I’ll disagree with you about censure v. impeachment.
Threaten this WH about censure and they would laugh their *sses off.
They have no shame.
Just got in from working on the road all afternoon. So did Bush wear his battery for the press conference?
ccmask @ 5
He doesn’t need to in the new press room. It’s beamed directly into the pellet in his brain.
I wanted to look at Wikipedia to see GWB’s story with respect to his dead sister.
I highly recommend that you follow this link to that article. Good laugh is guaranteed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W
Just scroll down to the list of Contents.
“Fair and balanced,” the president said about the commutation.
How come we’re not hearing that the 3-judge panel unanimously upheld Judge Walton’s decision?
Bush told all yesterday at the ribbon-cutting, when he said to the press: You ask a question, I’ll pretend to be interested and give it thought, ….jerk.
lying jerky jerk.
lying smarmy arrogant jerky jerk jerkest.
(pardon my French)
If it takes a PhD neuroscientist to explain to the Democrats that they need to quickly catch up to the thirty-year lead in propaganda and marketing that the Republicans enjoy, so be it. Anything to get them to stay on message!
I spoke with our Representative Keith Ellison on Sunday last, and begged him in a public forum to cease referring to Iraq as a ‘war’ and persuade his Democratic colleagues to only refer to it as an ‘occupation.’ “The term ‘war’ lends it too much moral authority, and you can’t win an occupation, you can only end one.”
He agreed with me 100% that we need to call Iraq an occupation, and then proceeded to refer to is as “the Iraq War” for the rest of the meeting.
Until the importance of precise rhetoric and coordinated communications sinks in, Progressives don’t stand a chance against the multi-billion-dollar conservative propaganda machine that is the U.S. media…
RevDeb @ 6
The pellet *is* the brain
This does fit well with Lakoff but takes it the next step. Lakoff explains how we hear things and he said over and over again that we can’t meet their arguments with logical well reasoned thought.
The lizard brains need to be appealed to on an emotional basis. This sounds like a must read and must learn kind of thing.
Thanks
I realize I’m a radical. And have radical thoughts. The suggestion is for my party (Dems) to stop laying down in front of the Bush bus. As far as I can discern the Democrats have yet to demonstrate one single act of courage since they went along with the Bush invasion of Iraq.
“This is one reason why I’ve favored a censure motion over the Libby commutation — not as a step that excludes impeachment or other measures, but as an opportunity to draw a moral line in the sand right away, making clear to Americans who is on which side. After all, Nixon resigning in the face of impeachment didn’t stop the same criminal crowd from coming in with Reagan six years later, and the Iran-Contra convictions didn’t stop them from coming back with Shrubya.”
What happens if Republicans vote for censure, thus eliminating the value of the line-drawing exercise?
After the vote, Republicans will say, “We voted for censure. Impeachment would be going too far. Will nothing satisfy you liberals?”
Meanwhile, fence-sitting Democrats in Congress will also point to censure as evidence that they have already “done something” about Bush and all momentum towards impeachment will be lost on the left side of the aisle.
Good negotiators start with their strongest demands. They don’t work their way up by asking for a little, then a little bit more, then a little bit more.
We need to demand impeachment. We, the netroots, are the ones who must force our representatives into a strong negotiating posture.
If we ask our representatives to start with censure, we might get censure, but we will have also guaranteed that we never get anything more than censure.
(sorry - but I am repeat posting this here — for some feedback. I am new here, so I do not know how this community’s protocols work… but i’ve been very active wit grassroots media since Dean campaign. thank you)
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rhfactor to JANE at Firedoglake — re BushCo trying to “conclude” these proceedings
Jane, Marcy et al:
They’re already winning the MEDIA WAR — which ultimately supersedes all the annoying little facts that darn left wing brings up.
I don’t know how to encourage this any stronger — but in all seriousness if the good guys on the left don’t reframe the totality of what has been happening for American mainstream audiences (TV WATCHERS) — from GWB43.com to Plame to USApurge to Cheney claiming to not be part of the Executive Branch, then we are ceding the whole game while complaining about BushCo lying cheating stealing abusing power, shredding constitution.
YouTube is not MSNBC or CBS — but it’s a hell of a lot better than what was avail 2 years ago. You and Marcy and Josh Marshall are 3 specific people (talents) who have the ability to CRUNCH this stuff down to bite-sized morsels for mainstream America to digest — and so with with a pleasant presentation style.
That’s critical because swingvoters have long ago already been programmed to view the left as “the angry left” and “they’re just out to get Bush in any way possible”… And the Wurlitzer has then on top of that, planted and reinforced the idea of “bloggers” being extreme people who wear pajamas and type type type and never see the light of day to experience the “real world”… So the mainstream media has marginalized bloggers in a way that compounds the “angry far left” foundational association.
All of that translates, to mainstream America, as “I don’t care what some blog says. I don’t have time for that. I hear they can’t be trusted. They’re not real news people.”
But we here on the left who partici[ate daily in the blogosphere obviously find all that preposterous.
My point for several years, since the Dean campaign, has been “well that’s TOO BAD that it’s preposterous and wrong and highly inaccurate. Because you don’t change a perception by continuing to simply assert “the blogosphere got it all right,we were correct — it was the mainstream media who blew it on the runup to Iraq, on torture, on wiretapping, on and on down the line. It doesn’t matter, effectively, because mainstream America isn’t coming to these “CHANNELS” of content and investigative reporting.
It has been my strong contention that we need to go where THEY are, and use the medium THEY use — and that’s quite simply, TV. And communicate in that medium.
THe beauty of this is: it’s not like you have to develop some new skill. You and Marcy & Firedoglake team PIONEERED this by your standup commentaries during Libby trial.
Those are beautifully accessible and “play” to mainstream, because they are a format the mainstream gets.
Please do not squander these opportunities in time. There are very short expiration dates on the time to influence America.
if Bush pushes out the meme “this whole thing is over”, yet Leahy and others cannot make a clear “mainstream” case for why it is NOT over — and what REALLY has been going on, then it will play out exactly in that predictable way: The public gets jaded by the Dems doing the investigating, they buy inot the mIghty Wurlitzer framing of “much ado about nothing” “no underlying crime” etc, and we get pissed because yet again the Bush Admin gets away with total abuse of power.
It really IS in our hands — not Leahy’s — they are not good at communicating with “the people”. But you are, Marcy is. ANd I hate to say it but it’s up to you two and Josh Marshall and anyone esle who can crunch this stuff down and TELL THEM whta the big picture is, and why it is not as the President portrays it.
All it takes if for you to either work with PTV — or even just use a simple webcam — record your standup pieces — nightly, or 3x a week, then upload them to YouTube — tag them effectively, get C&L to embed your videos, diary at Dkos and embed those videos, same at Firedoglake — and push this stuff out.
Please. The text text text her and throughout the blogosphere informs us beautifully — but it also enrages when the public is still not making heads or tails of it.
my more than 2 cents.
but i do want to footnote it: I put my money where my mouth is a week ago when you asked for contributions. I ponied up $200 - and asked that it be used to establish a FDL YouTube Channel. I’ll help you do it. But it’s YOUR talent and Marcy’s that would instantly make a huge difference.
Thanks very much,
rhfactor
ccmask @ 5
Filling potholes? g*
BigMitch @ 7
Nevermind.
The watchkeepers at Wiki caught it. Someone had edited the entry so that instead of “Early life” it said, “This is one god damn fucking bastard.”
One of the first things I learned in a broadcast advertising class is:
repitition repetition repetition
Repeat your message 3 times, the name of your business 5 times and the phone number 7 times in a 20 second spot
RevDeb @ 11
The Democrats need to read and study Collapse by Jerad Diamond. Just what was the guy thinking who chopped down the last tree on Easter Island? When is it too late? Do they think that by having hearing after hearing the clock will wind down in their favor and all will be good again?
The dems wouldn’t know aggression if it stood up in their soup. That is their biggest problem. They have to get so aggressive that they scare themselves. And once you do it once, it gets so easy.
I had the sales team in my car today and they say I drive aggressive and it made me think of a line by Jack Handy: “When I die, I would like to go peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather did. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.”
All this action over the last few days. And what are my party’s front runners busying themselves with? Running around saying nothing of consequence.
Thanks, Swopa, for this. I’ve been thinking about messaging for a few months in several different venues. You know what struck me? We need a site just like FARK.com with nonstop “hits” on Repubs./BushCo Total ridicule and humiliation with an opportunity for commentary in the comment click-throughs. High visibility, high drama, high capture.
Forget serious and earnest - it should be all ridicule and outrage all the time.
*xyz @ 13
Amen.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
you expect more?
i want BOTH!!! (emotionally satisfying and logically reasoned)
and the dems are giving me neither.
Obstruction of Justice Merits More Punishment than Censureby emptywheel
“Let me say straight out. Punishing Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence with censure would be like punishing Libby’s obstruction of justice with just 400 hours of community service. It would simply reinforce the notion that Bush’s Administration is above the law. It would be a punishment wholly unfit for the crime that has been committed: Obstruction of Justice. Bush’s obstruction of justice piled up on top of Libby’s obstruction of justice, all to prevent the American justice system from holding this Administration accountable for its actions.”
Other Pat @ 8
For once he spoke the truth - he can only pretend to give thought ;-}
All this business about how Americans are fed up with Iraq and Bush. Democrats, I don’t know what dimension it is in which you reside. But you’re in worse shape than our ninny prez.
QuakerGirl @ 18
and civilizations fail when their elites don’t suffer the consequences of their actions (only the prols do).
TexB @ 23
I’m living in a political dream world. ;0)
Jane,
rhfactor @14.
what she said.
What a thought-provoking post, Swopa! Whoops, didn’t mean to think!
but it felt good to think
But dayam, I would say it’s guaranteed that anyone who didn’t drink the koolaid is hopping mad now!
rhfactor @ 14 -
you rock! for putting up your money and volunteering your efforts…
I am mad as hell and I want to motivate someone!
Drew Westen must read me at the lake because this is what I’ve always said;
WE must frame the debate, WE answer in OUR terms NOT theirs and WE pose the questions OUR way
how is it possible democrats, the real intelect loose this concept?
Westen was recruited to Emory as a full professor for big $$$. Make no mistakes, he is not some young know-nothing…he is the real deal.
If a person’s “faith” is any belief is complete, then no “proof” or argument will change their mind. That is where we are with about 1/2 of the population. If you have had any contact with a child that is being educated in a “christianist madrassa” then you know to fear for the future of our country. Their “reality” has nothing to do with what we call reality.
I’ll repost the paragraph for the ‘04 NYT article by Suskind:
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality– judiciously, as you will– we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/mag.....ssuserland
Yes indeed an emotional connection is needed in politics. Yes your not well informed if your source is the Mainstream Media. Yes this site and others are places to go to get informed. Comedy is another good source and that ancient talent of reading books. I think the public is less in a thrall than it has been for a long time. I’m hopeful, I’m also taking action. Good luck to us all.
Thank you FDL
Speaking of censure, here is Wexler via Raw Story.
selise @ 32
Second that.
Swopa, great post.
This is why we love Cliff Schecter so! He is our bulldog, our meatgrinder, our liberal marshmallow roaster. He laughs, “Pah! Try again, foo!” and we all explode with relief, yes, we are not idiots, see? Cliff knows.
That was the initial appeal of Dr. Dean, too: He spoke clear, ginzu-knife sentences and brooked no bullshit.
Yes, we are smarter. But we really have to refrain from reminding “them” of that.
Super post– Drew Westen was on Diane Rehm this a.m.– linky here:
http://wamu.org/programs/dr
Hi all and sorry for the brief drive-by; outstanding posts/comments today as always!!
Swopa
I’m not sure if you were watching when Wexler presented his case for censure yesterday. But he didn’t make the case–any case, none, nada–for censure. Just presented it. It looked like brainless partisan grandstanding to me, and I’m a Democrat.
If it were to pass, then it would close off any and all further exposition of why Libby’s comutation was wrong, because the entire censure motion was presented as the end product of a snap judgment.
Now you may not like details, but that detail is going to kill us.
If it were another censure motion, it might have merit. But this one is not doing what you say censure should do.
There’s a difference between appealing to emotion and speaking emotionally. Sometimes one does that latter to accomplish the former- but not necessarily…APPEALING to emotion often involes invoking fear- so in this scenario- one must scare the holy bejeesus out of the voters to get their vote. What are dems gonna scare with? Global warming? Civil Liberties? The trouble is that most people aren’t really terrified of those things- they ARE afraid of getting blown to tiny pieces.
This is not an issue of rhetorical style as much as message in my opinion.
(((((angie))))
Nequals1 @ 21
I think this sounds great… along a similar thought, I’ve been wanting a thread somewhere with the Rethug talking points… so they can easily be countered by Dem TV talking heads rather than just stumbling around…
recent ones:
1) Dems crimilize politics…. no, Repubs are committing crimes against the American people
2) Dems make everything partisan… NO, Rethugs specialize in partisanship… cite several examples
3) The USAttorney scandal is “political theater”… no it is Congress calling out the Bush administration for crimes against the American people
4) This is a paraphrased quote from Bush: “It’s obvious that all the congressional investigations are just theater because they are dragging on and on.” NO, it takes time to unravel the complicated crimes committed by the Bush administration… Congress is working to protect American people
5) This was heard at the end of an NPR piece last week on Libbygate: “A review of Clinton’s pardons shows that Bushes action holds up well against them.” NO. This is a complete lie - Libby was lying to protect Cheney and possibly Bush, his testimony clearly shows that he received marching orders to leak Plame’s name from Cheney himself. Repeat over and over as necessary.
_______________
I don’t get cable, but when I hear Mark Shields stumbling around trying to rebut Brooks’ lying diatribes, I think someone needs to maintain a site showing the Rovian talking points du jour for each major issue being debated.
Anybody watching Hardball? Ed Shultz, progressive talk show host, is schedulted to be on. He indicated on his radio show today that he will be calling for impeachment.
Tweety has the day off, Mike Barnacle handling the chores.
Swopa, I feel so useless, now. As my moniker indicates, I have been advocating exactly what the good Doctor and yourself say in this post since I started reading this post during the Libby Trial.
Although not as neat as it sounds, the Republicans know how to win elections by appealing to the basic necessities of life, and using language that everyone can understand. But are terrible in their governing skills. And the Democrats are the exact opposite: Too many “high roads” taken, and too many elections lost. It takes tough talk, and not backing down, to win the day. Take them on, democratic/moderate politicians. That is what you are fricking getting paid for.
Steve-AR @ 36
a person’s illogical (and immoral) faith can, eventually, be challenged and changed by rational thought and moral questioning… but it takes more than one conversation… and it helps to be emotionally supportive.
in my experience - it took more than 2 years of real effort… (might surprise you to know what i was taught to believe).
For the election the number one talking point must be this:
“Republicans have made us less safe.”
It’s simple, memorable, goes after their strongest point, and has the added benefit of being true.
(((((ESAR))))!
(ducking out now!)
OffT:
Quarter-Billion dollars stolen from Baghdad bank yesterday. Yup, dollars.
Eureka Springs @ 44
second that. *g*
emptywheel @ 42
Dammit, I told Wexler to run it by me first. Oh, well.
selise @ 48
I agree…Spain is an example…but it won’t happen in the next eighteen months.
Yeah, right. Harry. You tell ‘em.
“It is time for the president to listen to the American people and do what is necessary to protect this nation. That means admitting his Iraq policy has failed, working with the Democrats and Republicans in Congress on crafting a new way forward in Iraq and refocusing our collective efforts on defeating al-Qaida,” said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
rhfactor: Welcome tothe lake and a great post @14. I agree with everything you said. While the MSM said that the numbers were way off for LIVE EARTH, msn did awesome on their website. Out with the old and in with the new.
And swopa, that pic looks like Bush’s brain on politics, with a side order of ham.
BigMitch @ 49
I’d change it just a tad to: Republicans have made us more unsafe! (Use danger words)
I second your choice of talking point!
Sign me up for the lobotomy !
Nequals1 @ 21
There is so much to work with.
Steve-AR @ 52
i don’t know… we’re already part way there. i don’t want to give up…
Harry Reid. The man who’s afraid of George, Dick, Karl and Joe (Lieberman).
ccmask @ 56
That is his brain. It was replaced by a cabbage after he quit drinking.
My favorite neoconvict meme (not) is the most frequently used wrt to Libbygate:
“This will all go away in a couple of weeks…”
Heard on Charlie Rose, Newhour, etc etc.
The robbery, of $282 million from the Dar Es Salaam bank, a private financial institution, raised more questions than it answered,
I hate it when robberies raise more questions than they answer. I look to robberies for answers, dammit.
angie @ 50
angie. You’re back. I’m pleased.
BigMitch @ 46
I was until the woman/tool cut off the dem guy instantly when he said the word “funeral” saying she didn’t believe a war should be run by pols. The dem guy shut her down pretty well saying this president has been arrogant and has basically blown off the american people. Then they both chuckled.
snowjob in his new fancy digs saying GOP is not for withdrawal but for “figuring out a new plan” Hey! I thought that was decider guy’s job!
I’m now NOT watching snowjob because he irritates me and the new press room is justa gift to mr. propoganda guy.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 64
thought the same thing… what an idiot statement.
$282 mil??? were those our tax dollars at work perhaps?
BigMitch @ 49
But it’s not strong enough. It should be “Republicans are putting us in danger.” (Or a similar phrase that gets closer to “If you vote Republican, your ass is going to get blown up.“
Every time John Kerry used to say that we were “not as safe as we could be,” I wanted to kick him.
michael chertoff’s gut @ 59
The rich swamp gases produced by the Repubs would make such great fodder for the site. I just got such a clear vision of it - almost instant linkage and reaction, and all passively produced with active participation and buy-in.
Barnicle on Hardball, asked Tony Snowjob: “Is this, reality based people against those who think this can be done? [the surge].
That Susskind quote from Rove seems to be getting around after 3 years.
michael chertoff’s gut @ 62
Actually someone with a brain of kim chee would exhibit more intelligence than the chimpenfuhrer…
Great place for a video camera Monday in Greensburg:
The Vitter family is not in Washington, D.C., or at their Metairie home, Digrado said. He declined to say when Republican senator will return to public life.
It could be Monday, when the senator has a town hall meeting in Greensburg on his agenda. It was planned for the conference room at the St. Helena Parish Health Unit.
Suggestion to the netroots for a new website, to address what I think is very accurate in this post:
Best bumper sticker explanations for “[Fill in the blank]”
We know the facts better–we can be short, funny and memorable in expressing them, particularly if we join forces.
“when Michael S. Dukakis said he didn’t believe in the death penalty even in the event of his wife’s rape and murder (1988)”
2 million Greek-Americans, and we choose the only one with no passion to run for President.
He should have said, “I would want to rip that guys head off and shove it where the sun don’t shine. But I don’t expect the Government to be as brutal as I would want to be.”
Someone should ask “Why do the goopers have the FEAR on THEIR side…..?
cc in nm @ 67
Well, we can guess where approx 2% of the missing $18Billion was. Up until yesterday.
cc in nm @ 63
Wingnut punditry is not intended to be a mirror that reflects reality. It is intended to be a hammer that shapes it.
Swopa @ 54
I wish he had. I’m not opposed to censure if it doesn’t foreclose a more appropriate punishment. But I think a bad censure is worse than nothing at all. And this feels like a bad stupid wasteful censure.
dakineo1…
love chimpenfuhrer…
conjures up a great image.
dakine01 @ 76
In whose account?
now that its been ’splained are we going to do anything? cuz i see the dems aren’t listening - just once can a dem pol make a decisive move! AND not back down - repugs just laugh and laugh at dems - tho dems are in control pugs managed to defeat sen webb’s bill… makes me cringe
“A Vote for a gooper is a vote for two more senseless wars- in Iran and in Pakistan and a permanent position as most hated nation on earth- after which- we WILL be attacked”
TexB @ 80
Account? We doan need no steenkin’ account!
Swopa @ 77
totally… that was my point!
Let’s prove them wrong… I’m taking a new tack… rather than contacting my reps regularly by phone, I’m going to start e-mailing the media over and over and over.
Somehow they need to get that the people are stirring…
Anyone care to join me?
I think the Rethugs would love to see a censure motion. Imagine Tony Snow and his echo machine saying that the “American people are not interested in this kind of theatrics. And now that it is over, we hope Congress will get back to doing the work of the American people.”
rhfactor,
I like what you had to say, except that the people who come here, TPM, and C&L are the choir. I thought you were going to say we should buy advertising time and put it on the teevee.
I wish, but right now it’s the Democrats who are talking about increasing the number of permanent active duty forces in the military by 100,000, sending more troops to Afghanistan, starting up a draft, and clamouring for war with Iran. They’re trying to out-hawk the Republicans, so unfortunately that slogan will work better for the Republicans than the Democrats!
rwcole @ 43
How about slavery?
Honestly, I think the re-emerging disparity of income, the new aristocracy, is THE issue.
Every day, in every way, Dems have to learn to drive home the message: that constant fear in your belly, that creeping dread, that worry, is all a gift to you from the Republican Party, the party of privilege, the part of who-you-know, not what-you-know.
Watch Marie Antoinette and replace Kirsten Dunst’s character with Jenna or Not-Jenna, with Paris Hilton.
Scooter Libby’s friends pay his fine and the prez gives him a get out of jail free card. Your kid goes to Iraq and loses a leg. Or half her brain.
Republicans ridicule a man for paying $400 for a haircut. Democrats praise a man for paying a working person top dollar.
When Democrats quit the insane defensive position and go on the attack, it’s a beautiful thing.
But to do that, Democrats have to remember that their values are the real American values: Individual integrity, worth, meaningfulness.
Re-read Benjamin Franklin’s advice to those who would remove to America:
I don’t even recognize the country Franklin describes, but I know this: The only hope we have of rediscovering that country is through the Democratic Party. Republicans are its sworn enemies.
This article is wrt the Nixon Library and newly released records…
Nixon Wanted To Show His Gentle Side, New Tapes Show
(July 12, 2007)–Newly released papers and tapes show that President Nixon and his 1972 re-election campaign engaged in bare-knuckles tactics aimed at defeating Democrat George McGovern and nullifying critics of all stripes.
At the same time, the material shows Nixon brooded over his reputation as a hard man whose gentle side was not being seen by the public.
In a 1970 memo, Nixon expressed regret he was getting no credit for being “nicey-nice.”
McGovern, who will turn 85 this month, told The Associated Press the campaign tactics were “another example of how the Nixon administration drifted away from both common sense and decency.”
BigMitch @ 74
yep, pretty dismal. And yes, the other 1,999,999 of us would’ve done better. : )
(reposted from a Digby thread)
But thinking is done with the brain not the gut and we desperately need some leaders who think.
mmmm . . . maybe sorta, but not quite. Yes, we need leaders who think, but woe unto the Politicians and Political Party (I’m looking at you, Democrats) who ignore the importance of the Gut.
The Brain thinks; the Gut decides — the Gut is the Decider.
Seriously –
When people are asked what kind of car they want, their Brain says a fuel efficient hybrid; when the walk into the dealership, their Gut tells them to buy that hybrid crushing SUV. Guess which one they buy?
Of course, now that it costs $100 to fill up the SUV, the pain from their wallet is felt in their Gut, and some of the Gut Deciders are now buying fuel efficient cars.
But the point is still valid — unless the Gut agrees, the Brain can’t tell anyone to do anything.
OT- FYI, The Times-Picayune has helpfully bundled all 2,200 pages of DC Madam’s phone records into a single, easier-to-read file. [pdf]
drew weston was on npr today, sorry, can’t remember which show…can probably find it on their website if you want to listen to it, i’m on dialup or i would get it for you…was good……
Many in today’s criminal administration were graduates of both the Nixon and Reagan administrations, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Armatige, Rove, Abrams etc.. They learned their lessons well from both Watergate and Iran-Contra. Stonewall, lie, misdirect, never brank ranks and ALWAYS put your Party before the national interest. Unfortunately the Democrats, along with Ford’s pardon of Nixon. let these criminals off the hook. Until such time that their ilk are brought to justice and sentenced to prison they will keep coming back until their destruction of the country is complete. The Democrats have to brand the Republican Party and their conservative ideology as stale, hypocritical, morally bankrupt, and a threat to the survival of the Republic.
selise @ 60
I don’t want to give up either..I am just saying that the earth is 6,000 years old arn’t going to respond to arguments based on “reality”. The Bushites change “reality everyday and the MSM says that is reality. We are always trying to address the reality that was yesterday
One thing seems evident. The country hasn’t learned much politically since the days of Nixon, Kissinger, Mitchell, Erlichman and Haldeman.
Bluetoe @ 94
hmmm, that last part sounds familiar, who was that that said that? Oh, right, Howard Dean! And look where that got him…
Seriously, if the Dem would start saying these things in unision, perhaps it could have an effect…
Really the issue is how corporate media presents the info… and until we can get more cogent talking heads to keep repeating the truth… even when they are shouted down by the corporate puppets …. that’s when the truth will begin to get out.
angie at 41
thanks for the drew weston on npr link!!!!!!!
i couldn’t remember which show it was, been in and out all day……
THANKS
was a good one
Hey- whatever the dems are doin- it’s better than Bush- no one listens to him anymore….I had dinner with two goopers last night- the subject of “Bush” came up and both said “Please don’t talk about him while I’m tryin ta eat- I’ll puke my guts out”.
Swopa @ 77
That was very good!
I rmember when I was campaigning door to door an to friends for Howard Dean, I head over and over that “oh, I’m informed, I listen to CNN all the time!” scary but true.
Steve-AR @ 95
i was taught to believe a lot of that fundamentalist nonsense. if i can figure out it is nonsense (and immoral) - so can others.
Too many elected Democrats (with thankfully notable exceptions, read Tester and Webb) are like ‘good students’ who study hard, get good grades, get into a good grad or law school and think they’ve done something by impressing the selection committee for a job as a staff aide to a Senator or Congressman. I work with people like that, many of them strong Democrats. But because they got to where they are solely by mastering policy, they seem to think that all that matters are the details. Details matter when you are in charge of planning and executing a programme; but in today’s world, you don’t get a chance to do either of those things unless you can get into power, and that means persuading people to trust you. The trust game is everything, and the rethugs have learned that their best game is to make people trust Democrats less than they trust republicans. That’s the beauty of lying and negative advertising. It works.
Michael Moore just showed how to fight that stuff. Our old fighters are gone. Think of Tip O’Neil. He wouldn’t have stood for rethug crap for one minute, and when he was in charge he didn’t. The guys that came up through the wards are mostly gone now. Pelosi at least had contact with them.
Bluetoe @ 94
Our version of sleeper cells.
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There is growing talk of war with Iran. What will the public reaction be if Bush orders a strike?
AL Gore got it enough to point out in Assault on Reason that TV gets to your emotional-reaction-not-thinking brain. Maybe the Dems need to listen to Al instead of avoiding him.
I’m starting to think of this administration - and Congress - as ‘those g*dd*mn m*therf*ckers in DC’. I don’t think that’s exactly what Westen had in mind, but whatever works ….
I thoroughly enjoy this type of discussion on political tactics- we should, however, keep in mind–WE’RE WINNING. Let’s not steal bad ideas from the losers.
Swopa @ 68
The thing is that the good doctor has a point about terrorists and guns. The GOP is letting a special-interest group tell it to stay away from known terrorist hangouts such as gun shows. (Remember the Al-Qaeda manual found in Afghanistan in 2001 that explained how easy it was to get guns at US gun shows? And that was BEFORE 2005, when the Republican Congress forced the BATF to all but stop monitoring gun shows after they went to a Virginia show and found that nearly every dealer was breaking the law.) And it’s not just Muslim terrorists: The IRA and of course the white-supremist “Patriot movement” get a lot of their weaponry at gun shows.
“trust”
As I recall all recent polls show that americans trust dems rather than goopers for almost everything.
cc in nm @ 63
don’t forget that Rumsfeld said the same thing about the war in Iraq.
Goopers had a temporary rhetorical advantage after 9/11 when most americans really were scared shitless…
It’s over.
Bluetoe @ 94
the branding must be a re branding, we have to disabuse these fascists from garnering support from a party they do not represent, we have to STOP calling them republicans and start calling them “pseudo republicans” “corporatists”
something like that, like they call democrats “liberals” as if the philosophy is a bad word, we need to do the same
from now on untill a better perjorative comes along, for me they aren’t “republicans” they are “corporatitsts”
I like it
they are not
rwcole @ 108
i’m not winning.
where’s my decent climate legislation?
when’s the end of the iraq occupation?
where’s the legislation telling bush not to attack iran?
where’s my fair trade policy proposal?
where’s my revised policy for corporate governance?
where’s my universal single-payer health care?
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p.s. i agree we shouldn’t be using the Rs strategy of making emotional appeals that are based on immoral lies. let’s use emotional appeals based on reason and morality.
selise @ 102
My boss is a recovering Jehovah’s Witness. And that takes a LOT of recovering…
Censure. I think there are some folks who might consider that word to be weak. What does it say really?? You have to be pretty smart to parse the word and get it’s meaning. It doesn’t work for an emotional word. Impeachment is far more emotional. Censure is an intellectual term. Impeachment has mixed meaning but it’s emotional, because many folks learned it through Nixon and Clinton.
Ollie North was convicted. He became a hero. Americans love rebels and underdogs. We have to fit the narrative that americans love. In my mind the best bet would be to work hard to make a hero out of fitz. He’d make a great underdog. He’s mysterious, he’s patriotic and smart. And those criminals have him on the ropes.
We need to tell that story. And we need to impeach. Why…bigger hub bub. Even if we didn’t win, if it happens the story will be told. And it’s more likely to be told from different angles when it’s told more than once. This is just a journalistic issue. The more you have to tell it, the more you want the scoop and the more willing journalists are to go out of their way for the story.
Furthermore, while Bush is being impeached he cannot pardon. It limits his power. This we need.
It needs to go to the top even if we risk losing because that’s where the emotion is.
Public relations grad, and therapist.
GOP:
“… the party of priviledge, pardons and propaganda.”
“… Party of Bush.”
selise
I didn’t expect any legislative victories with a neo nazi still in the White House and an even split in the senate. Did you?
“House votes to pull combat troops from Iraq by April” (MSNBC)
Bluetoe @ 106
50/50, 40/60 or 60/40 depending on how well the MSM catapults the propaganda. IMHO, the MSM has been effectively planting the seeds for an Iran strike and will go into full cheerleader mode when Rove ordains it.
The public, this time, will not be so much on board. We don’t have the stomach for it after five years of Afghanistan and Iraq.
I don’t think the Democratic leadership, and certainly not the front runners, not to mention the DLC, want anything to do with Gore. All good reasons to vote for Al. I think.
BigMitch @ 117
nice, I will use that with an edit;
“the party of perjury, propaganda, and pardons for the priviledged
the party of bush
the party of pseudo republicans, the party of corporations”
I hope you don’t mind the added text
it’s yours now!
Report: Al Qaeda steps up efforts to hit U.S.
(CNN) Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. intelligence assessment, The Associated Press has learned…
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I have a gut feeling that this is simply more poignant Wag-The-Terrists CODE BROWN shit aimed at masking the recent days’ onslaught of bad news for Bushie Boy.
“A new Harris Interactive telephone survey of 1,003 adults (conducted 7/6 through 7/9) finds:
26% rate the job George Bush is doing as president as either “excellent” or “pretty good;” 73% rate it either “fair” or “poor.”
19% say things in this country “are going in the right direction;” 70% say they have “pretty seriously gotten off the wrong track.”
With the Harris number included, Pollster.com’s presidential approval rating of George W. Bush is now 27.2%.”
How’d ya like to be running for election and be forced to defend THIS piece of shit…
The grass ain’t greener
rwcole @ 118
- i expected not to be lied to about the iraq capitulation funding bill.
- i expected the house dems would not do secret trade deals with bush.
- i was promised a stand alone bill that would tell bush not to attack iran w/o congressional approval. i did not expect the dems to vote for h.con.r.21 or s.a.2073
- i did not expect the dems to win their battles with bush. i expected them to fight their battles. for example, i expected decent climate legislation, that would then be vetoed by bush. i did not expect a stupid energy bill.
The last time terrorists struck in the U.S. (9/11) the pesidents popularity skyrocketed.
God forbid, a thousand times over, but if there were another attack what would be the effect on the preznits polls?
BobbyG @ 124
Bobby G, read Hugh’s comment and follow link found by selise (I think) here.
The reason the Democratic Party does not appeal to the emotions of voters is not merely because they are unskilled at doing so. It is even less because they are too cerebral or too academic. It is because they do not themselves hold beliefs that would rally Americans to their cause. The Democrats refuse to condemn the handouts for the rich, a wonderfully emotion-laden issue, because they like those handouts. They refuse to cry out “No blood for oil” because blood (other people’s) for oil strikes them as a reasonable trade.
rwcole @ 125
This is why I call the GOP the “Party of Bush.”
We need more posts like this…to be sent to the Democrats in Congress.
What is needed is a venue that naturally DRAWS people of all stripes to it. Instead of a lecture hall or an auditorium, think arcade or amusement park or sports stadium. And then allow people to interact with the message. Play with it, try it on for size, handle it, and then they will more naturally own the message. Once you own it, you take care of it, you’re motivated to hold it in esteem and you’re likely to show it off.
That’s what the Repubs have done, using megachurches and red/white/and blue bunting photo-op backdrops.
The Dems can do it, too.
from drew weston on diane rehm today (listening to the podcast now):
democrats campaign by faith and govern by science.
republicans campaign by science and govern by faith.
me: democrats suck at campaigning and republicans suck at governing.
Even though they have let us down lately, I’m proud that the Dems stuck in there like they have for the last six years. They were the only think standing between democracy & autarchy.
Associating warpigs with ridicule……..’there they go again………..’
autarchy? Rule by autistics?
BigMitch @ 126
I think it would have no discernable effect. Too many lies. Too many examples of incompetence. Too many calls of “fight them over there to not have them over here.” Too much cronyism and too many Michael Chertoffs, Michael Browns, and all the other incompetents that have been shown to be the fools that they are.
Fixed your post.
BigMitch @ 126
Awful. For three reasons:
1) Remember the old Native American Proverb, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!”. 9/11 was a total surprise. Bush was an unknown quantity then. he got the benefit of the doubt. He doesn’t have that advantage now.
2) Anger that bush LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN! Remember that the reason we have to put up with nsa spying, torture, corrupt and disfunctional government is TO MAKE US SAFE FROM TERRORISTS! if there is another attack, we have buyer’s remorse on a national scale. not good.
3) The concern it might be a false flag operation (ie one staged by us operatives faking for al q). I live in a wealthy suburb of san antonio, where bush is still virtually a ghod. yet today on the way home I passed an escalade with a single bumper sticker on the back right in black with white letters: “9/11 was an inside job”. Even the richies don’t trust bush anymore.
And there are no guarantees of msm support either. remember how they handled katrina. and heaven forbid it DID turn out to be a false flag op. Bush and Cheney might actually be convicted of treason and executed. if the mob didn’t get them first.
I see ZERO benefit to chimpy for a real attack. i see bookoo benefit from Threatening Circumstances Suggest Attack Iminent.
dakine
I’ve been wondering that for years. On the one hand, there’d be a “he didn’t protect us” reaction- and perhaps the feeling that he caused it- on the other- people usually rally to the father figure in times of peril…I DON’T KNOW.
BobbyG @ 124
It is definitely that. It likely contains a nugget of truth as well. We know that ALL ports are not secure, nor are all containers checked, etc. We know that most of our energies and resources are being squandered in Iraq.
We know that after five years of war and occupation of Iraq (the wrong country), we are no safer (from said boogieman) than we were before. AND NOW THEY ARE BOLDLY ADMITTING THEIR FAILURE (in curtailing AQ development) in order to use it as a propagandistic fear tactic.
How ignorant must one be to believe their circular logic?
Why can’t I think of the word I am looking for? The opposite of democracy. Geez, I’m losing it.
hackworth @ 141
it’s cosmic dissonance
selise @ 133
sighhh - we need a media outlet to amplify our message… blogosphere is fine but a wider outlet is definitely needed - now how to get that i dont know - smarter folks on the lake than i must have ideas…i’m weary of setbacks and even more weary of neocon repugs….
Loo Hoo. @ 86
Well, that a complementary route, not a replacement. But I also don’t believe my point was clear, then. I’m not talking about PULLING people here. I am talking about PUSHING the video message out — to YOUTUBE, primarily.
And if you think that’s inconsequential, here’s an example of the viral nature of videos there — with some actual numbers.
4 days ago, an anchor for Al Jazeera ENGLISH posted a video to YouTube asking for feedback on their TV channel. It has now been viewed (as of Thurs 3:41pm Pacific) 751,721 times, has had 2,894 Text replies, and 34 Video Replies.
VIDEO:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YVFrryFNfEA
(1) The subject is Al Jazeera television in English — and that much of a response? Yes, YouTube is cluttered with all sorts of narcissistic postings of look how clever I am. But, it is also a very mainstream portal now. Enough that the Al Jazeera YouTube channel has 4,490 subscibers to it.
Let’s compare to Josh Marshall’s fantastic work 4 days a week posted to YouTube and to the Veracifier network: (Josh hasn’t been posting these commentaries and news clips for more that 2-1/2 months, and they have 754 subscribers. Josh’s TPM video posted by Jane on her “Pretzel Logic” post here today has thus far today had only 210 views.
What’s the gap all about?
It’s not about POLITICS as a subject, clearly, not with that many subscribers to Al Jazeera YouTube. There is a mechanism on YouTube to PROMOTE a video — and it gets thumbnailed on many of the pages throughout the site. I have not yet figured out if those are algorithm based or paid, or how they work. But the AlJazeera video above was eye catching, and it stood out despite my looking at CSPAN clips of House testimony.
What I’m trying to say is — put more energy inot DOING this than to explaining why it’s a not-so-useful strategy. :)
There’s probably a research topic for the asking on “Politics and Your Heart”: the Senate 97-0 vote of what looks to me like a Tonkin Gulf Resolution for Iran was good for several hours of low-grade angina.
This stuff is dangerous to all concerned. Imagine what it’s doing to the health of us all.
POTUS on the tube as I type. That pause after the sentences? It’s checking the faces to see whether he is scamming the audience successfully. Someone posted recently that he is, above anything else, a manipulator. I wonder if he is sane.
God bless us all, and may we make it through the summer without any fallout … and I mean that radioactively.
althespook @ 139
I see one huge benefit for some kind of attack. It would mean complete and endless power grab. No elections, no more constitution, etc., all the pieces are in place. Just sayin’
An all purpose smackdown for all GOoPers:
“You can’t trust Republicans with ________”
Fill in the blank with national security, tax dollars, your childrens future, your job, etc., etc. — whatever issue fits at the moment.
FYI, new thread
-ck- @ 149
anything.
I think althespook @#139 is more correct than dakin01 @137.
Richard Engel, NBC News in Beirut, just publlished “an inside look at al Q*eda.” On Fucker Carlson.
(my unofficial transcript)
A: Iraq. Iraq. It’s all about Iraq. That is the main motivating factor. It’s what they see on the internet, it’s what they see on the television. Most of the recruits now are ’self-recruits.’ These are peoplewho watch videos on their cell-phones, on the internet and they decide to join up with A.Q. They train at home; there are jihad manuals openly available on the internet and it’s Iraq that’s the big draw.
Good job, Bush. Starting a war in Iraq to fight A.Q.
-ck- @ 149
I kinda like ‘You Can’t Trust Republicans With Sh*t’.
Just sayin’.
rwcole @ 140
Well, I can’t see anyone actually looking at Chimpy as a father figure.
Given that we supposedly invaded Iraq because of Al Qaeda (yeah, right!), Chimp declared he would not rest until bin laden was brought to justice and al Qaeda destroyed. Yet here today we have the NIE release saying that Al Qaeda back to pre 9/11 strengths on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.
There are just too many things he’s blown off/blown up to get any exra credit. He got it after 9/11. And blew it.
BigMitch @ 152
Good job, Bush. Starting a war in Iraq to fight A.Q.
Actually, I thought Al and I were saying pretty much the same thing with slightly different words. :})
Knut Wicksell @ 103
You said it!
All that about how the Democrats express themselves is, I believe, valid. But having them express themselves better will not make a huge difference until the mass media, by which I mean TV and radio, stop shilling for the Republican party. Otherwise, we are talking in a vacuum, with no one to hear what we say no matter how eloquent it might happen to be.
RevDeb @ 4
Yes, they would, but that’s not the point of censure.* Censure of the WH isn’t for the WH, it’s for the American People. To draw the line in the sand early on, to start building the framework for convincing people that the Dems know the clear difference here between right and wrong.
* (The WH laughs at anything - heck, they laugh at people being tortured in Abu Ghraib, for gosh sakes, just the fact that they’d laugh at something like censure isn’t a reason not to do it.)
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RevDeb @ 30
selise @ 32
Eureka Springs @ 39
ccmask @ 56
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RevDeb @ 4
Westen’s point is that it doesn’t matter if they laugh, since they’re not who we need to convince. The wingnut idiot on the other side of the stage arguing against us is not the target. The audience in the darkened theater listening along is.
all this analysis is way too complicated. republicans are wrong and out of step with 70% of Americans on virtually EVERY topic except militarism and have been for years. Democrats need to get UP IN THEIR FACES challenging republicans on everything about them, their ideology, their politics, their anti-Americanism, their personal lives, everything.
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mack @ 17
1) Tell em what yer gonna tell em.
2) Tell em.
3) Tell em what you told them.
4) Repeat.
selise @ 24
Maybe part of the Republican party strategy is to appeal to both logic and emotion, despite the logic being flawed and the emotion being hysterical anger.
Dems try to use real sound logic, so we can eventually govern well. Repubs don’t worry about governing the way they said they would. They simply lie.
Dems can’t use emotion as well because it seems our electorate becomes scared easily and shy away from emotional candidates. See Biden’s loud speeches for example. He’s smart as a whip, but scary. Remember how we loved Dean, but the electorate thought he was out of control and scary. Same thing.
So, the current Dems are trying to win over voters with real logic and small emotional moments.
I think that’s why Obama won’t wear well. His emotionally charged speeches (not quite Mario Cuomo, but) are perhaps too much.
And, I think it’s why Hilary is resorting to occasional humor to ‘help’ her audience like her. Call it likability, but it’s part of the emotional sell.
I think Edwards has the likability award hands down. But, for him the challenge seems to be in conveying a sense of strong determination to go with his natural leadership. For some reason people don’t always recognize leadership by words & policies. It helps them to see a person like Reagan or even Kennedy who show it in their face and with their language tenor.
On the Republican side I think Giuliani is versatile with language and facial expression, but obviously has a multitude of other problems. He’ll evoke the emotion of disgust.
McCain is evoking humor in a way he never wanted. As his campaign melts he’s being pitied and laughed at.
We have yet to see Thompson in the ring (not really), so I don’t have a clue how he relates to people. He probably just looks down at them and glares. He’s quite tall.
Most senators I’ve noticed are quite soft-spoken (see Harry Reid for example). I guess it’s the ‘not scary’ presence which is required with some of the electorate.
dakine01 @ 83
Kelly’s Heroe’s!!!! *G*
Was it under the table bribe money for Iraq?
Under the table money for Contractors/Halliburon/Blackhawk?
Or, was it part of the missing billions, being sat on to be soon moved to Abu Dhubai?
How does that amount of money go UNGUARDED by at least an army?
How do only two or three people steal it?
Was it set UP to be stolen? If so, whose money was it, and who was intended to steal it? And why?
-so few answers . . . . .
-ck- @ 91
What I’ve read on this topic indicates that first we fall in love and then we look to the logic and information to find a rationale for making the purchase.
So, who do the electorate fall in love with…a small number of charismatic nice people.
Then, who does the electorate choose to vote for…someone in the first group who doesn’t tick them off with crap ideas, policies, tics, etc.
That gives us nice looking, nice sounding people who don’t scare us and then hopefully someone among those who has better qualities, like intelligence, a vision, a plan, good policies, etc.
There’s hope for a second-tier candidate if the first-tier people fall hard, but it’s not a great chance. Once that first cut (the ‘falling in love’ part) is done that narrows the field considerably.
Bluetoe @ 106
THAT’S a discussion I’d like to see.
The first strike(s) will elicit one thing.
Then, what’s the IMMEDIATE blowback on us? What are our losses gonna be?
Then the outrage around the world will build considerably, and THEN a different type of shit will begin to happen.
I’m predicting, our losses immediately and in the long run are gonna rip us up bad.
And THAT, is gonna fracture this country completely. Even Blackwater and martial law won’t be able to hold it together.
And as usual, the worst battles will be fought over resources:
1) Travelways (highways/train tracks/shipping lanes)
2) Water. Likely, water is gonna be THE biggest resource fought over.
Control the water, control the populous.
rwcole @ 108
I ALWAYS like your postings and thoughts.
But.
SAY, WHAT?!?!?!?!?!!?
Katie Jensen @ 116
Katie, I concur with it all, good PR, and good therapy to HAVE something to wish and work for!! *G*
ccmask @ 134
Not.
They ARE the autocracy.
Autocracy is NOT defined by party.
Only the people can avert this now.
And it will take MILLIONS in the streets, demonstrating, and BOYCOTTING and NOT BUYING stuff, to get the attention of the autocrats.
A month of minimalist living by millions, while it may hurt some businesses who are PART of the people, will get the attention of ‘the corporatists’.
They can’t declare martial law over spending cutbacks on the part of the people.
Do the people have the ‘guts’ to do this?
Sure haven’t proven it to me, yet.
All I see and hear is talk . . . the masses of the people have yet to act.
Till then. Zip. Dems are bad, too. All of them. Party affiliation means NOTHING, to the autocrats.
Harumph.
juslin @ 145
You need to listen to, and tell EVERYONE YOU KNOW, about Randi Rhodes, Ed Schulz and Air America.
We HAVE an outlet.
A TV network, is next. *G*
Till then, as RHFactor has posited, FDL and the Bloggers MUST post in a civics minded way, a CONTINUAL STREAM of vidreleases on ALL issues, ALL THE TIME.
Flood YouTube with it, generate it’s OWN CATAGORY!! It’s own meme.
Label it, own it, and SHOUT IT OUT.
MSM will follow. *G*
RH, minute I get a dime, I’ll toss some towards that endeavor and I sure hope, by dawg, a blog takes it and runs with it.
I wanna see Jane, CHS, Marcy, Josh, Digby, Juan Cole, AlfredK (permitting he’s ok with it), Raimondo, and ALL the others EDITORIALIZING on each and every single issue, like Marcy and Jane did in their vid stand ups.
BRING IT ON!!!
This would fall in line with the Open Left site that just opened, and THEIR definition on how blogs can grow and influence in positive ways.
Daily Stand Ups. Take the thugs to task, each, and EVERY, time. Over, and over. Every day.
And, the PEOPLE who read the blogs, link and email the media, day after day, each and every Stand Up. Every one.
Overwhelm the MSM. And at the same time, boycott the MSM sponsors, and NAME them, and BOYCOTT THEM!!!!
Hurt them where it counts. Their sponsors and ad revenue.
It’s simple.
But, it’s not getting done. Why?
No greater example than the life of J.C. Full-on righteous anger sweeping out the moneychangers. Full-on speaking Truth to Power with scorching excoriation of Hypocrisy directed at people that could have him killed. Leahy does it–we could use a lot more like him.
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