Sanchez now saying that Miers has not appeared, that her counsel says that she will not appear via letters from Fielding asserting related claims of executive privilege.
Chair prepared to rule that the claims are not legally valid. And that Miers should be there to testify. Miers is no longer an employee at the WH, that Miers is relying on an invalid claim of privilege, and Miers is failing to respect the subpoena in contrast to prior precedents from other witnesses.
The President himself has not asserted the privilege — claim through counsel is not valid.
There is no possible, proper basis for refusal to appear today. There is no citation of a single case in Miers’ correspondence that she did not have to show today in response to Congressional subpoena. No official, including the President, is so above the law that they do not have to comply with a subpoena.
Sanchez goes through WH advisors testimony from CRS information — number of former and current advisors have testified numerous times, including during the current Bush Administration.
The DOJ opinions on which the WH and Miers rely fail to cite a single court precedent to support their novel conclusions on assertion of executive privilege.
As recently as a few weeks ago, WH staff said that the President had no involvement in briefings about the USAtty firings. Cites Taylor testimony yesterday that she had no knowledge of the President’s involvement in this either. Nevertheless, the President is asserting privlege, but with no underlying basis for said assertion.
Goes through Espy exceptions. Presidential exceptions privilege under Espy simply does not apply here.
There is no descriptive and precise detailing of specific documents and why they are deemed privileged. (Smith v. FTC and Sheridan v. ______)
As in US v. Nixon, claims of privilege are not absolute. Here, the balance clearly weighs against a claim of privilege. Claims byt he WH are not related to specifics, but are instead a blanket prohibition to prevent any and all documents or testimony from anyone in the executive branch. We have tried to get information from other sources — including getting documents and testimony from more than 20 current and former DOJ employees — but questions remain unanswered that can only be answered by people at the WH.
The evidence obtained thus far raises serious questions about obstruction of justice, Hatch Act violations and laws against misleading or obstructiong a Congressional investigation. Where there is any reason to suspect that misconduct as occurred, the executive privilege question disappear altogether. (Espy.)
The evidence already indicates an abuse of authority of the President in the USAtty matter. As the Watkins case ruling aid, Congress clearly has the authority and the obligation to expose wrongdoing and corruption in the executive branch.
Rules that Miers refusal to appear and refusal to provide documents cannot be sustained under her assertion of executive privilege as put forward by the WH and Miers.
Cannon now arguing on whether there is sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to allow courts to uphold the subpoena. Admits that Sanchez has put forward substantial precedent with regard to Congressional right to testimony under the subpoena. Trying to find the loophole to not require subpoena enforcement now. Cannon asks what supporting information they have for wrongdoing.
Sanchez says if Cannon wants to support Congressional ability to do oversight, then he would understand that Congressional subpoenas must be enforced. Cannon now digging in and asking for justification on an underlying question of wrongdoing which must be overcome with evidence that Congress must provide in order to enforce subpoena.
Conyers steps in to say that he appreciates that Cannon is pleased that the Dems are moving forward on more oversight than the prior GOP-controlled Congress did. Cannon says that he’s concerned about the “diminishment” of the power of Congress to provide oversight in the future if the foundation for wrongdoing is not laid in an attempt to enforce the subpoena.
Sanchez clarifies that the motion rejects the assertion of executive privilege and absolute immunity as asserted by the WH and Miers — all of the assertions that the committee has received from Miers’ counsel and Fielding.
Rep. Cohen Statement: Happy to be serving in Congress, and takes it seriously. Appalled with how contemptuous Miers is for not showing up on subpoena — what we have is an empty chair. (CHS notes: good visual with the little Mrs. Miers placard and an empty chair behind it.) It is amazing that any member could question the need to enforce a subpoena, this is an affront to this body, whatever your political affiliation.
Rep. Keller Statement: Goes into context of privilege — want people to be honest with each other and candid. Want President’s advisors to be honest with him on how badly things are going in Iraq. (CHS notes: well, there’s a first from Keller.) Says that members of Congress would use this information to score cheap political points (CHS notes: because, heaven forbid, the American public would find out that the President had been hearing criticism in his bubble). Says under controlling precedent that the evidence is not available with due diligence from other means and that the information sought provides needed information — Keller says that both prongs are not met. Keller says that Sanchez doesn’t get to make that ruling — and that the Nixon case allows for executive privilege (CHS notes: Keller conveniently fails to mention the fact that the Nixon case also ruled that the President cannot use privilege to shield himself from valid investigation into potential wrongdoing.)
Rep. Johnson Statement: I don’t know what is more stunning: that this Administration continues to flout the rule of law, or that they are so disrespectful to Congress. Harriet Miers, a practicing attorney and former WH counsel, has defied a Congressional subpoena. The Administration is free to fire USAttys, but they are not free to obstruct justice or influence cases inappropriately for political reasons by firing them — and the Miers disregard of the Congressional subpoena is appalling. Johnson says that he supports the ruling of the chairwoman.
Rep. Feeney Statement: Congress investigating president is bad. blah blah blah Clinton did it, too. (CHS notes: jeebus, it’s the inaccurate talking point that will not die. Reagan, Bush I and Clinton, as well as Bush II all replaced the vast majority fo their USAttys within the first 6 months of their tenure in office. Replacing a large number of USAttys after that time is the unusual part of this.) blah blah blah No one will be candid with the President if people are expected to be held accountable for what they say. blah blah blah
Cannon now asking for all of the docs from the WH, the DOJ, and Miers and others into the record. Cannon says that today the majority has the votes. And then says that there has been a lot of “over the top” talk. (CHS notes: pot, this is kettle…) Cannon says that there is no evidence of criminality — hopes that the majority has a plan to mitigate the effect of not producing this evidence. blah blah blah Kyle Sampson’s testimony ought to have cleared the WH entirely.
Rep. Watt Statement: Yields to Conyers.
Rep. Conyers: Commends subcommittee on its judicial and thoughtful approach to this. If we do not enforce this subpoena, no one will ever have to come before the Judiciary again.
Feeney now saying that a letter from the President to his chief counsel instructing her to cover his behind ought to be respected. Conyers says that Feeney shoudl see yesterday’s proceedings wher Taylor showed up with such a letter in hand and still honored the subpoena.
Rep. Watt: Adopts the chair’s statement of jutifications on the ruling in this.
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Cite her for contempt.
fitz!
zuno?
Still obedient to dear George
Thanks
Fitz!
anne @ 2
I second that. can I nominate him for AG now?
WOW that’s fast!
Yea….Cannon is a smuck, jerk and trying to justify something that is just hot air!!!
Hey, not a zed?
Hey Cannon, here’s a way around the courts: inherent contempt!
Cannon trying to BS the no transcript and brings up Libby interviews as prosecutions without transcripts.
Cannon now real confused as to what he is complaining about
Fuck the arguments!
Send her ass to jail for contempt of Congress!
IMPEACH NOW. it’s the right thing to do.
And that’s a fact.
Did Cannon vote for Clinton testifying under oath about his bj?
Cannon is stating the obvious if you turn it around. If they DON’T act then they lose their credibility.
Questions for Bush: will you take the earpiece out while you answer our questions?
You ignored Odom and Powell and the generals, why should we believe you’ll “rely on Petraeus” or others?
Are. You. Insane. Sir?
Terrorists are emboldened that this country is led by a pack of incompetent outlaws in the WH and facilitated by their henchmen in the Congress and corp media.
Cannon is swimming against the tide, but he’s doing a heckuva job. He is a number one A-hole.
dakine01 @ 12
I caught that – him scratching his head in confusion.
Sanchez has to spell it out for him.
So what is the motion exactly supposed to do? It hasn’t really been stated.
Sanchez has had it with Cannon. Let ‘er rip!
looks like Sanchez’ Motion is nothing more than that Miers was wrong to not appear – I’ve certainly not heard the word contempt.
Cohen is a smart cookie.
Admiral Komack @ 13
We are waiting for oversight. Harriet just crapped on the constitution!
RevDeb @ 20
To declare EP a nonvalid excuse (I think)
Just read something from LA Times – that DOJ is backing up Bush’s claim for presidential immunity – will go and try to find the link. Probably someone’s linked to this already?
Cohen is on FIRE!!! Totally contemptuous of the people when private cittizens do not answer subpoenas!
An empty chair, what a great new metaphor.
Cohen buying time until Cannon’s I.V. gets placed.
Steve Cohen – bit of a firecracker. More anger, please.
carolyn urban @ 26
It’s at TPM.
Generic {{{{{{SCREAM}}}}}}}
Cohen is good!
CONTEMPT!
Cohen: wants CONTEMPT!
anne @ 25
And where does that get us?
Cohen just called Chimpy the Emperor. He supports a contempt citation.
Rosemary Woods Mr Cohen but other than that you go MAN!
RevDeb @ 23
“The emperor”
Doesn’t the committee need to agree Meiers’ reasoning is bogus before deciding what to do about it?
I’m curious, can the SJC dems now hold her in contempt of congress?
I’m *lovin’* this Cohen guy…
Well said, Cohen! I think I may travel over to Blue America pretty soon.
Keller up (can’t stand this guy)
comparing marriage privelege to EP
Remember all, Cohen replaced Harold Ford!!!!!
How good is that?
I’m the one who needs an I.V., evidently. Well said Mr. Cohen
Cohen: This is a Garry Trudeau cartoon.
Cohen when a step further…
Nixion part 2!!!
He’s already surrounded by “yes men”
Ooooh–Husband-wife privilege like atty-client. Guess he captured the real relationship between W & Meirs. Don’t have to wait for a Mormon as prez formultiple wives.
Keller is a tool and a dfool. Cheap political points to score against an opponent and hurt office.
Keller does not address that Bush was not involved so no advice to him is in play.
Keller:
ROTFLMAO, SCT
it was a giggle when he brought up the whole “do you want a bunch of yes men surrounding the president”.
Is not showing up like a person taking a dump on the constitution?
Is that what Harriet Meirs has done?
Republicans are trying to make you look
—–>>>>over there
while the crap is really over
Keller – apparently has not read Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book about Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln thrived on adversarial views by those closest to him.
Keller back to interview offered and that no need that due diligence not done because interview offered.
Blue America Carrot sticks for good congress critters.
If Tom DeLay were the chair of this committee, he’d have the Feds out looking for Miers to have her arrested and brought to the hearing. No?
Are these folks sticking up for Meirs betraying the constitution?
Johnson up: WH and Republicans are stonewalling
anne @ 43
hahaha. bet he doesnt mean gay marriage. amazing. Harriet is Bush’s work wife. ugh.
So it boils down to this:
Dems: The law is we oversee the executive branch, we subpoenaed her, she didn’t show and didn’t have a leg to stand on so we are obliged to uphold the law.
Pubs: We don’t know if she has any evidence.
Dem Response: Duh, you nutbags! How can we find out if she does not testify!
Oooh, my Rep Hank!!! YAY!
Hank Johnson can do movie trailer voice overs once he retires from public office. smooth!
I liked Cohen’s remark about being in Troudeau country but “missing the feather.”
He’s got a good sense of humor.
Johnson of AL supporting. Admin and Rs on committee still stonewalling en masse firings of attys. Wilful disregard for rule of law. HM, former nominee to SCOTUS, licensed atty defying the law. Don’t know who orchestrated this firing decision. quite disturbing responses. Admin just trying to hide facts. Free to fire but not obstruct justice by firing. contemputous conduct by witness not appearing.
Karen M @ 59
If Tom DeLay was chair, there would be no hearing.
Oh, what a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive
Shorter Feeney: but but but CLINTON did it too!!!
…but wait! They can come up with a resolution to censure the president for improper use of executive privilege. I’m sure they could get a majority of the reps to sign on for that. Couldn’t they? This would only take a couple of months and a few hours (read days) of debate. And.. and they could tell Harriet to not do that again – or else! Spine indeed!
This is much better than it would have been if Harriet had shown up.
Much better.
“Move to strike the last word” What’s that?
The Republicans are circling the wagons. They are staying true to script. Party before country. Muddy the waters, stall and provide cover for their Party Leader.
Imagine a former Supreme Court nominee getting disbarred. & deservedly so.
Howcan these guys not understand that WH laywer is not the same a W’s personal lawyer & therefore AC privilege is very different. Can they really be that dumb?
Candor? Are we talkin’ about freakin’ CANDOR?! Candor isn’t bullshit.
F*ck you feeney. WH counsel is NOT president’s atty as per the Clinton hearings. That’s why Clinton and Bush have had to get private counsel.
Rs did exactly what Feeney talking about is abhorrent for hauling WH counsel before committees. F*ck him and his horse.
The look on Linda’s face—she’s had enough and not going to take it any more.
Ahgoo @ 72
It’s a fancy procedure trick: I think they use it to piggback off each other’s time and drag things out.
He keeps calling her
harriet woods, re: nixon’s missing 18 minutes of tape…hahaha
“this is a real-life doonesbury cartoon; we’re only missing the feather…”
who was that? he was great!
___
Cohen: I can’t fathom a private citizen receiving a subpoena and not showing up. What we have is an empty chair, this is as contemptuous ….
The emperor cannot tell his subjects….
Cohen from Tennessee hits it out of the park!
Dakine @65.
Just FYI
Hank Johnson is Decatur and Avondale Estates GA, not AL.
We replaced Cynthia McKinney with Hank!
Feeney you are a traitor to the constitution. How do these characters get away with comparing a Presidents privilige to replace, but that replacing mid stream based on hogwash is highly questionable.
If all this boils down to is a vote that Harriet is a bad girl for not showing up- as opposed to a contempt citation, I’m gonna be one unhappy guy.
Rs sure have memorized their talking points.
Can a Democrat on the committee ask one of his “esteemed” colleagues on the other side of the aisle if they have had contact with Karl Rove in the last 48 hours. The Republican strategy is obviously very coordinated.
eCAHNomics @ 74
Yes.
This has been another example of simple answers to simple questions.
eCAHNomics @ 74
They’re not being dumb, they’re being disingenuous. I doubt they really believe any of this spew.
Goofy boy at his presser is not saying much new. It’s all stay the course again. He did go off on Iran killing our troops. So a big shoutout to all those Senators who voted for Lieberman’s warmongering amendment. Thanks, guys. Good thing Bush isn’t going to exploit it. No sir, no sirree.
Feeney: You want to criticize Clinton for his pardons to defend commutation of Libby’s sentence.
Citizen Jane @ 81
Sorry.
Oh shut up Feeney. Does he not understand that the attorneys dismissed by Clinton were dismissed at the beginning of his Presidency? The real problem here is that everyone in the White House
is the “executive”. What’s going to happen next, the executive will declare privilege, take the 5th, and issue a blanket pardon on his administration?
Hugh @ 85
That would be all who bothered to vote.
Oh, how I love it when the repubs bring their own rope to lynch themselves. Thank you Feeney for speaking Nixon’s name. Please do link Nixon’s actions to Bush again and again.
I guess I just need to accept that what is critical to Republicans is to demand a President to testify under oath about a bj, and then testify again under oath about lying about that bj.
But it is totally acceptable to these Republicans for Harriet Meirs to defy the congress’s subpoena.
I get it.
Come on. The Republican position is totally indefensible. dakine01 @ 68
Yeah, and they were all over him then.
Bush: Al Qaeda wants to hurt us here… be afraid America be very afraid….
What happens in Iraq matters to security here at home.
It sure does, Bushie. You’ve got thousands of our first responders bogged down in your idiot war that cheerleaders like Miers are enabling.
Bush…no cowboy he tho he’s in full “good cop” mode this morning. Pure outlaw, and he’s got his henchmen doing shiv duty in Congress.
jayt @ 82
Ditto. Conyers needs to cut off the bullshit from the Reeps and force a motion for contempt.
Bluetoe @ 72
Get them a bj to investigate, then they will get serious about oversight.
I don’t know Rep Zofgren, but I like her balanced, sensible FILLETING of the Repubs’ spurious arguments.
Our president: “Last November, right about this time.”
Great line: Never thought we’d be dealing with a prez who makes Nixon look good.
I am so torn…
Have to take peanut to school and make up a test for 1:00 p.m. but must. watch. I. am. compulsed.
Seriously, please keep up the comments for those of us who have to duck in and out. I, for one, bow down in worship to all you guys wanting justice as I do!
Boy King: high pitched “I’m not making excuses!”
actually, I wont mind if they issue Harriet a regular contempt citation. I would have preferred the Senate issue one to Sara yesterday, but they didn’t. The Harriet contempt citation can be a test case for inaction by the U.S. Attorney (Jeffrey Taylor, a known Bushie). Then Congress has a concrete example to point to in order to justify inherent contempt for the next witness (who is likely to be Scott Jennings or Rove himself). I’m assuming they feel that they need to take the normal route before moving to extraordinary means. Next stop, impeachment-ville.
Funny thing how Chimpy is in front of the camera at just the same time that Charwoman Linda Sanchez is front and center doing the job that needs to be done.
This is where the Press should be. And he knew it. Not a coinkindink.
OHHHH – this guy! Swarmy as an oil slick.
fate2×4 @ 90
How do they get away with repeating this hogwash?
Trent Franks: Cannon. Incredibly compelling.
Franks of AZ using Janet Reno memo to buttress his arguments. A ruling that was overturned by the courts.
Lofgren had a good zing that she never would have thought while a staffer dealing with Nixon that we would ever have a Pres that makes Nixon look good.
JF @ 91
If the Dems had the balls to stop these criminal bastards at any turn, I might hold out a little hope here. But…. Harriert obviously didn’t show, and NOTHING is going to come of it.
RevDeb @ 103
This charwoman Sanchez cleans up real good as an effective chairwoman! *g*
Tom Steele @ 96
Fortunately Rep. Linda Sanchez is the chair of this sub-committee. It’s in her hands.
Go Linda.
Just imagine if this were President Clinton telling a former employee to disregard a subpeona to appear…just imagine…
If this hearing does not end with a citation for contempt I will have a very bad day.
michael chertoff’s gut @ 88
I’m baffled with dems response when repubs speak of Clinton’s pardons. Why don’t they talk about Senior Bush’s pardons such as Edwin Cox Jr., whose family contributed nearly $200,000 to the Bush family’s campaigns and to Republican campaign committees from 1980 to 2000. And perhaps to the more astounding Iran Contra pardons including his Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger, a highly unusual pardon before trial and conviction. As well as Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency and 18 other individuals who were not involved in the Iran-Contra affair.
Revisit the sins of the father onto the son.
Has any Dem mentioned that it is already established that a high ranking member of this administration has already been convivted of Perjury and Obstruction of Justice? The very crimes that this House Committee is investigating. The precendent of this Adminstration has already been proven in a court of law.
Is Harriet Miers STILL counsel to the president?
it’s small potatoes, of course, but in addition to a contempt citation for Lady Harriet I’m in favor of a motion for Rule 11 sanctions against consiglieri Fred (the rule that says a lawyer can’t make an argument he knows to be total bullshit)
Franks: Save us from embarrassing ourselves!
Trent Franks: more concern troll-isms for the institution of the House. Big Court Case.
Republikans, if that’s what it comes to, you’ll be the ones embarrassed.
Really like the way CSPAN 3 camera keeps cutting away to show the empty Harriet chair…
Bush could get a bj in the rose garden in front of the cameras and they would applaud. The emperor divinity is above the mere laws of state and morality, don’t cha know.Kathleen @ 98
Trent Franks, Republican cultist from Arizona, looks like he would fit nicely in an SS uniform. Vitter has a diaper fetish. Wonder if Franks has an SS fetish or if there is any relationship to Hans Franks the commandent at Aushwitz who was executed at Aushwitz after the war.
Wordsmith @ 116
No
OT: press conf. OMFG! “the libby decision was a fair and balanced decision”.
Paralogia. As usual, bush is whiney and condecending. wake me up when this is over… :/
oh how they spin spin spin…..just typing the word makes me SPIN~~~~~SPIN
Wordsmith @ 116
no
Bush Press Conference:
Press: “Mr. President, now that the Scooter Libby case is closed, will you answer questions about it and the morals of your senior staff involved in it?”
Bush: “Yes, now that it’s over, I think I made the right decision and now we should move on”.
paraphrased
JF @ 91
Wrong block – sorry. I repeat:
If I’m not mistaken, I believe the vote was 97 – 0.
Can the chairwoman shut up Cannon & move forward?
Wordsmith @ 116
No, that’s Fred Fielding. The one who writes letters.
dakine01 @ 123
Then Trent’s point is moot.
Who did GW lawyer up with over the Plame outing?
they keep spinning…
she is in contempt of her sup….dick head!~!!!
Cannon: “…clear answers from Kyle Sampson…” BWWWAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHA!
What would happen to me ( a 55 year old soccer mom) if I did not show up after receiving a subpoena from congress?
Would the Feds be knocking at my door right now? Would I all ready be behind bars?
Wordsmith @ 116
no, not that I’m aware of. i thot she was outta the wh.
still playin’ catchup with you, both of us seriously epu’d – appreciated your hilarious last comment downstairs! *g*
Cannon: we got real clear answers from Sampson (?!?) that Harriet Miers was not involved.
er. .. not quite.
Cannon: Don’t equate this admin. with the Nixon admin. (it’s not nice) but let’s invoke “Clinton did it, too” at each available opportunity.
I like Mr. Watt, too. Mr. Conyers – hmmmmm…..not as much as Mel.
Marie Roget @ 120
Those c-span camera critters have areal mean streak. At speaking events they often pan to audience members who are asleep or picking their nose.
RevDeb @ 130
yes. And who was hired because Ms. Supreme Court Nominee Miers wasn’t up to the job of covering George’s ass when the shit hit the fan.
OH! Nicely played Mr. Conyers!
Conyers: “It happened yesterday in the Judiciary Committee” – burn!
“It happened yesterday!”
Good one! I laughed!
Conyers:
If we don’t enforce this subpoena then no one will ever appear before this committee again.”
There’s the point.
I understand that politics is nasty business to an extent, but I am well and truly dismayed by the willingness of the republican party, to a man, to obfuscate, stonewall and break the law in support of their aims.
They weren’t left out in the cold for so long politically in the past because the dems did this sort of thing to them. It was because their positions were (and still are) minority and insupportable. Their fear of being marginalized again is leading them on a destructive path that is against everything our country supposedly stands for.
At what point will doing the right thing and fulfilling their oaths to the people and the constitution finally make the republican party act with decency and morality?
Go Conyers! If we do not enforce this subpoena no one will ever have to come before this committee again.
Thanks for setting me straight Rep Conyers. What will the common folk be able to refer to this as when we are subpoenaed by Congress.
The Meiers what?
Adie @ 136
I mean THE CATS weren’t even in the room….
OT but how is the WH stenographic oops, I mean press corps doing at the presser?
Bush: Al Qaeda. Emboldened. Iran. Support the commanders. I’m inspired. I understand. I believe. I will decide.
Yep, the smooth, sweet syrup of catapulting the propaganda this morn.
RevDeb @ 145
Darn straight. Conyers, enforce! The Republikans are mocking you and the American people.
Is Michael Chertoff’s gut related to Joe Klein’s conscience?
Impeach Bush
For the lawyers here, how applicable is the law cited?
Prairie Sunshine @ 151
So, I didn’t really miss anything? SSDD?
eCAHNomics @ 140
Hey dont they call that cinema verite?
Some major news channel must air this entire hearing. Actually, any news organization that does not cover this end to end is not doing its job.
Bush: Scooter Libby. Nothin’ to see here. Forced my guys to testify. I don’ ask, don’t tell. It’s over…let’s move along….
theWalrus @ 113
That is what is so revolting about this, the blatant unrestrained hypocrisy of the Republicans.
They did no oversight and now bemoan any oversight as excessive.
They misrepresent Miers’ position, Executive privilege, Congressional prerogatives, and anything to do with oversight. They recycle all the old and discredited canards about the firings. And of course even after 6 1/2 years their obsession with Clinton continues. This is so beyond shameless. They are walking examples of what is wrong about how country and most especially our government.
Oh – THAT WAS BOLD – You go, Mr. Watt!!
Is Conyers making the argument for impeachment.
ironranger @ 132
RICO specialist, James Sharp
RevDeb @ 154
Yes, Rev Deb, they are all one color though… brown. The Republican rainbow flag… 10,000 different shades of s***.
RevDeb @ 146
Your right on mark! Connors should repeat that over and over and over until it becomes a talking point!
Watt is low key but is devasting in his critique of the administration.
Bluetoe @ 149
No, I think your first try was about right.
New thread: HJC Miers Hearing Part II
Folks, please stay on topic and omit the usual gossip and one-liners while Christy is working hard for us liveblogging. Thanks.
Helpless Dancer @ 153
IANAL. it don’t matter.
IMPEACH NOW. it’s the right thing to do.
Yes, Mr. Watts the president & his creatures are mocking you and mocking us. Oversight, now!
Hello– 2 questions– how many persons are there today on the committee, tiny screen I cant determine. and, will this committee do a vote today and then what will happen? (if it is an aye vote)
Thanks for your FDL once again, Christy
mui @ 155
;-)
The shots of the empty first row where, I assume, her counsel, advisers, handlers, etc. would have been sitting are cherry, too.
Once again Connors is interupting Democrat Watt to throw him off his game. Cannon forced Watt to yeild his time.
Is yesterday’s 97-0 Iran resolution functionally equivalent to the Tonkin Gulf Resolution? Does this Unitary Executive think that it would have to come back to Congress for any additional form of permission to do whatever it pleases against Iran?
The People: Mr. President, are there WMDs in Irag?
Pres: Yes
People: Okay
People: Did you do anything wrong?
Pres: No
People: Okay
People: Should we trust you?
Pres: Yes
People: Okay
People: Hey, your thumb is in my eye.
Pres: That language is impolite.
People: Oh sorry – unparliamentary words. Oops my bad.
Pres: Bend over
That’s a wonderful illustration. Who did it?
[I want to see Harriet jailed.]
He said it! An imperial president!!! And who and when are these republicans going to get paid off by this administration! that in my view is what they are backing and covering up!
Or are they part of his army!
Where do I send a thank you note to Harriet Miers? The WH’s recalcitrant actions are Nixonian. I wonder if George has been visited by Tricky dick’s ghost to warn him that his miserliness and contempt for others will subject him to the same fate.
mui @ 137
is he effin’ kidding? can’t he read????? who does he think the Harriet Miers that Sampson wrote to over and over again to get White House concurrence on the list is? someone else? her evil twin?
Cannon objects: whine, whine. This is not parliamentary. He just called my best buddy a Liar.
Suck it up Cannon. Watts was totally parliamentary.
I too want to see her in jail!
as stated before, they are just stonewalling the committees responsibilities, something they past committees gave with a red lined silk rug!!! with diamonds
Cannon can’t even accept the ruling of the chair.
OT: I just watched our impassioned president say “We can’t afford to fail [in Iraq].” If you’re ever bankrolling a gambler and he gets that look in his eye and says, “We can’t afford to lose,” cut him off and take him home immediately. He has gone over the edge. Lost it completely. Only a fool would bankroll him round after round, the way our Congress has.
GWB is a sick person who has gotten his pride involved in this war in truly twisted ways. It happened to Hitler at the battle of Stalingrad — he went all in, and destroyed his military. There was that same insane self-destructive glint in Bush’s eyes at this morning’s press conference. Congress must cut him off and send him home for a very long rest.
Bluetoe @ 149
Bush is rambling. And the press corps is letting him.
Cannon is going to be an obstructionist now.
behindthefall @ 171
i don’t think it was anything like a gulf of tonkin resolution. imo (the amendment has not yet been posted, so i’m going off the floor rhetoric), it was a step towards war, it was rhetoric that the president could use to justify an attack against iran… but it was not an authorization for use of force.
see yesterday’s discussion.
No contempt citation?
They are jerks, time to call each of them at their offices and scream at their behavior in over site responsibilities!
Okay, so wtf just happened? need summary please.
W making the case for Iran in his presser?
Poor lil’ out-gunned Cannon just called for “order, please” to the silent committee *snerk*
Feen. can’t ever remember something like this ever happening before. Was quickly reminded it was, um, just yesterday…. giggles from the audience.
ouch *g*
Dems are occasionally having a hard time keeping straight faces, as the pugs get more frantic & idiotic in their stalling tactics. Dems seem to be enjoying the moment so much, they’re just going along smoothly, allowing all the discussion to play out smooth-as-ya-please.
Dems using the opportunity to give a civics lesson to their esteemed colleagues. dandy!
Watt, D-NC smacking Cheney & Bush both for their misdeeds in office, even bringing in Libby commutation, missionaccomflushed on the aircraft carrier. This same pznit “sticking his thumb in our eye.” Yahoo.
Cannon grumps about “unparliamentary words, rules of decorum.” Watt changed to [more parliamentary-ily correct language], unable to stifle a grin.
After Sanchez pulls the frustrated, would-be playground bully Cannon back from the edge of insanity, the vote is taken.
Steam still coming out of Cannon’s ears. Dems. controlling themselves purty well, but still with the occasional slight grin showing.
Move right along to more subpoenas… for RNC docs they’ve requested before.
ok did they or did they not issue the contempt on Meyers?
Junya’s Gameplan:
“Rover says ah just gotta stall ‘em, stall ‘em on everything. Stall ‘em on Supeanies, stall ‘em on Iraq, stall ‘em on Torture, stall ‘em on Warrantless Wiretaps, stall ‘em on Gonzo, stall ‘em on…? Hmmm…what other crimes did we commit?
Deadeye, hep me out here. Ah forgot all the other stuff we done. Do ya’ suppose that might hep? And Scoots, nice to have you back! Ah hope your stayin’ for lunch cause Laura Belle made bean burritos again! Mmm…ah can hardly keep my pants on!”
1oldlady @ 191
I guess not. I’m gonna have a bad day.
boxer @ 189
I think they agreed Miers did not appear pursuant to the subpoena and will consider what to do about it later.
1oldlady @ 189
I think Sanchez said they would take further action under advisement.
eCAHNomics @ 189
As far as I could tell, he trotted it out but did not pursue it.
WTF!!!!!
I am going to be real sick!
Could Sanchez have issued a contempt citation from the chair?
Hugh @ 192
I don’t understand this. They knew either she would show up, which would lead to one course of action, or that she wouldn’t show up, which would lead to another course of action. Why do they need to take time afterwards to decide what they are going to do. Did these people go to law school. You always plan your reaction in advance, therefore you’re not reacting, your on offense- always.
This is disgusting. Why aren’t the Dems taking a stand? They had to know that there was a good possibility that Miers wasn’t going to show. They had to know that the GOP was going to throw i all kinds of bullshit arguments to prevent a contempt citation for Miers. Why the hell weren’t they prepared for this????
a bit OT – just unfroze the DVR to watch Helen Thomas’ question to GWB – I’ll paraphrase Miss Thomas:
“Mr. president, don’t you realize that YOU started this war, that YOU are responsible for thousands of deaths and the displacement of millions,, that YOU can end this war, and that YOU are responsible for the presence of Al-Qaeda in Iraq?”
Bush – “Well, I really wanted to settle it diplomatically”.
No, I didn’t throw a shoe at my teevee, but it was close.
I hope to gods C&L has Mel Watt’s comments!! He is on fire. Thank you, Mr. Watt! The Repubs wanted his remarks taken down but the Dems overruled them! You’ve got to see and hear him.
The Dems have a much larger majority in the House than in the Senate. If they cannot simply side-step this GOP traitorous nonsense (while extracting from the GOP, for the record, that oversight by the Congress should not occur EVEN when the Prez is a Dem) then they are an ineffectual and undeserving of any role in government than I already believe.
I have been waiting and WAITING for them to show some real, honest sac and actual DO rather than talk. This is a chance to DO. Kick the GOPers aside and go for contempt. Period. Full stop. No dillydallying. NOW. Inherent contempt – let the Capitol Police and the Sgt at Arms drag Miers before them in cuffs.
Botton Line: If the Democrats don’t make them pay for these acts, nothing will change. Period.
Their actions can be as illegal as hell, and nothing will happen. (If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?)
Look into “Inherent Contempt”, the Sgt at Arms and the D.C. Police will excort her into the House and the Trial will begin.