We wait with bated breath for the answer: will she or won’t she put out today?
Since we’re all sitting here a’tingle, I thought a bit of snark from ages past might be an amusing way to pass the time. Huge thanks to reader Terry for the original find on this from The New Yorker:
October 27, 2005
Hi! Just a quick note to say that you looked heavyish last time I saw you, which, come to think of it, was this morning, in the Oval Office, when you accepted my withdrawal (which you had secretly demanded) and ruined my life and dreams and spirit. I hope we can stay friends. And, again, I am sorry for vomiting on your desk. Best to your wife (Laurel??).
Harriet Miers, NOT a Supreme Court nomineeOctober 27, later on
It dawns on me that I may not have mentioned that you ruined my life. Or did I? Also, do you ever wonder where you’d be if it wasn’t for your father, who, when you think about it, was a really amazing person, who did SOOO much in his life, especially compared with you who have done so little? I read that you were a cheerleader once. Girls do that a lot. Eucalyptus is good for absorbing bad smells (like human vomit). That was a lot of vomit. But then I had a tough few weeks, in which I was humiliated in the national media, and you and your staff (some of whom may be indicted soon??) were not one scintilla of help. Friends forever!…
Oh yeah. Good times. I keep thinking back to this bit from John Dean:
In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either — and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush’s greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.
I am wondering if Harriet will turn out to be the weak link after all. Why exactly is the Bush Administration so afraid of Harriet showing up and talking to Congress under oath? What, exactly, are they hiding behind her little Bushie cheerleader rah rah skirt?
Alex Koppelman has an interesting piece of the puzzle up at Salon. In an interview with Bud Cummins, which occurred following Sara Taylor’s testimony yesterday, Cummins tells Alex the following:
As Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., mentioned during the hearing, this contradicted previous testimony by Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty. McNulty has said that Cummins was removed specifically to make room for his eventual replacment, Tim Griffin, who is, like Taylor, a former aide to Karl Rove.
When read the above portion of Taylor’s testimony over the phone, Cummins told Salon, “I think her characterization [of his intentions] is almost true, but not quite true.”
According to Cummins, Griffin had been contacting him regularly beginning in 2003 or 2004 to see if Cummins was interested in leaving his post as U.S. attorney.
Hmmm…beginning in 2003 or 2004, Griffin began pestering Cummins about him leaving his job. Is it me, or does that sound like a “man with a plan” that had been going on for quite a while? And who would have been in on such a plan from a self-styled mover and shaker political operative like Griffin? Well, Sara Taylor sure seemed like a BFF of his to me. And there’s still all those lingering questions about the involvement of Rove and Miers and others in the White House political shop, and how they did the math…which we can’t get answered without someone from the inside talking.
Which brings us back to dear Harriet.
There is a reason that the White House doesn’t want her to show up for testimony. And I think these nuggets from a couple of TPM’s readers may be the answer — that the White House Counsel does not enjoy the same attorney/client privilege as a regular counsel/client relationship by virtue of the public interest questions involved. And, in this case, there’s a hefty dose of precedent from the Clinton years to open that door awfully wide. (Dang it, it’s that pesky rule of law again.)
So, will she or won’t she?
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zunoed?
Good morning Christy!
Zed?
JANE!
Good Morning
Mornin’ !
Denied :(
mornin
I do not care how long it takes
Defiance of a legal subpoena should not be tolerated.
Nya Nya – You can’t touch me is not a valid legal argument.
Good morning Christy. Can’t wait to watch the conservatives come to Mier’s rescue, just as they did on her nomination to the SCOTUS. They’re so loyal.
Thanks CHS great piece.
Harriet save all of us from the evil doers!
Harriet save the constitution from the actions of the Bush administration!
The Dems must be bold and not tolerate this.
Felony?
snowbird42 @ 11
BWAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA!!!!
Frog march Karl!
Heck, frog march the whole nasty lot of them.
I really liked when Leahy and Whitehouse (I believe) kept asking why one would need to be protected by executive privilege when the President did not know anything about the firings.
snowbird42 @ 11
STOP…………or I’ll say STOP……AGAIN!
She won’t show, and if they put her in contempt, Bush will waive that. I thought he did already in his last letter.
I love that Taylor said that Bush had nothing to do with these firings, thereby clearly destroying the already weak foundation for the argument of EP. I think the new letter just wanted to prevent any further damage.
The truth is, if Congress holds someone in contempt, it has to be the President. Otherwise, it’s just going to disappear into the ether.
Lou Costello @ 16
Exactly, bold is not in their job description.
JF @ 13
Bold is not in their vocabulary let alone their actions. (well I bet Leahy and Whitehouse would rip given the opportunity)
Yesterday those not so bold Democrats voted against the Webb Amendement and for the Liebermann legislation.
So a yellow bellied Liebermann’s (he has never served in the military either have his children) legislation passes (bringing us closer to a pre-emptive strike on Iran). And the Webb Amendment (who served in the Navy as well as his father and grandfather) fails.
The “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots won yesterday. Deja Vu Folks!
This vote reminded me of the October 2002 War Resolution vote. The lobby says roll over and the Democrats roll over.
Next stop Iran if the zealots have it their way!
Congress needs to start jailing people who refuse to testify.
Well, young Ms Sara sure didn’t do much to redeem my family name yesterday and in fact continued to soil it with her preposterous cheerleading for how wonderful and experienced Tim Griffin was as a prosecutor and wasn’t it just nifty to reward him for all his hard work as a JAG in Iraq.
And she was just so, so very sorry for saying Bud Cummins was lazy but Tim Griffin is just such a nice guy who really really needed to be rewarded for all his hard work and experience so she just let her emotions get the better of her and she really didn’t mean to hurt anyone, honest. /snark
I mentioned this a couple of times yesterday but I do believe that BushCo is trying to carve out a variant of the “Official Secrets Act” from the UK without it having been actually codified in law or the Constitution or any of those pesky things.
I’m thinking that the Dems have all the RNC emails and they are letting each & everyone of these staffers and Bush buddies hang themselves. Popcorn
Lou Costello @ 12
I think this turns on the phrase “acting with an improper purpose” in the statute. This would be a very hard case to make in court. It really point to the fact that this is a political issue and should be handled from within Congress. They should hold her in inherent contempt and see what follows.
Maybe Harriet had to spend more time with her family. Oh wait, just like most other “Bush Women,” she never married or had kids. Strange from the family values crowd, huh?
If he’s (B43) not involved, what’s the deal with the ‘pleasure’ and the attendant authority? Which seems to reside specifically with that signing statement instrument. (Pen).
Is that AGAG/Monica-Kyle operating under the delegated power?
She won’t show up. Since the dems haven’t stood up to the bushies ever, she has no reason to think that they will this time. But if for once the dems actually grow a pair and lock her ass up, eventually she might come around and start talking. That’s when things will get interesting. Lock her up if she doesn’t show!
This is why Bush hired a private attorney regarding the Plame case. I’ve said for a long time that this went to the top. He knew then, and it was discussed at the time, that Meirs could be forced to testify so going to her for legal advice would not protect him if he indeed committed a crime.
Bush is so guilty of so many things. I have been having a hard time figuring out where all the loyalty to Bush comes from. My belief now that like the mob most of it comes from the fact that so many folks were witness to and accessories to crimes. They don’t speak for fear that they too, will end up under the bus.
And this administration has made it perfectly clear that the only behavior that will be rewarded is silence.
Good morning, Christy!!!
Thanks for the preview re: Harriet. Now,
Can you please give us a re-cap of yesterday’s hearings? I found it difficult to understand what was “really” happening.
Thanks,
Bob in WI (temporarily)
ccmask @ 22
Forget the popcorn……..just pass me some of whatever else it is you might be consuming. ;-)
Katie Jensen @ 27
It’s religion. He is their prophet.
GeorgeSimian @ 17
Pending research into this matter, I’m not certain that Bush can abrogate a congressional contempt citation. Can anyone cite a precedent?
Please read this Wikipedia article: Contempt of Congress
The NYT was pretty disappointing today, considering all the action in Congress yesterday. Iraq and the ex-Med guy made the front page. I guess there’s only so much room, but nothing on Wilson and Taylor’s article just emphasized that she didn’t say anything, when I’m not sure that’s the case.
Katie @ 27: exactly. And I’ve heard that W’s attorney specializes in RICO cases.
That picture is worth a thousand words!
Time to revive that fake Harriet blog?
Perhaps she could spill some secrets there….
Good Morning, Harriet will not show.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 31
If Bush offers her immunity, which he already did, then what difference does contempt make? And couldn’t he just commute any sentence?
I may be wrong, but if Bush is stopping them from talking, Bush is the one who needs to be held in contempt.
Rule of Law? You must be kidding. Democrats have to follow the rule of law–such pesky requirements are not for Dick and George.
Lieberman never served in the military. A spokesperson told the Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967. Upon graduating from law school at 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment as he was already married and had one child.[10]
I did not know that Senator Lieberman was divorced. Does that go along with being orthodox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
It’s religion. He is their prophet.
I forgot she said she “she took an oath to the president”…forget Jesus!!
bob at 28 — What I got from yesterday’s SJC hearing with Sara Taylor was that the questions and areas of concern were designed to elicit her non-answers based on the assertion of privilege. This theoretically laid a foundation for a challenge of that privilege in court. They can’t challenge without standing to do so, and in order to secure the standing, there had to be some testimony wherein the privilege was improperly asserted. Tayor provided that ludicrous example yesterday with her dodge and weave.
So now, the negotiation will begin — and likely ultimately fail — with the WH on lifting the privilege, or the matter will have to be taken to the court’s for legal clarification and an order requiring testimony because the legal claim of privilege in this instance is incredibly weak when compared to the Congressional imperative on investigation.
bobschacht @ 28
My 2 cents. What they did yesterday is two things: 1) The got her to selectively discuss some of the internal WH deliberations. Those that wee favorable to BushCo. This ends up making executive privilege a farce. Either you take or you shut up. You can’t just talk about the things you want to. 2) The got her to agree that communications with personnel outside the administration are not covered by privilege. This means that the RNC communications are fair game.
None of this is conclusive but it is a step in the right direction.
There was lots more but I think those were the two most important points for now.
Of COURSE she won’t show.
She’s got an opinion from the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel saying she doesn’t have to.
Folks, we have just moved to the endgame.
This opinion pretty much eradicates Congressional oversight if allowed to stand: this Administration has moved all policy deliberations inside the White House, and they’re essentially saying that everything that happens in the White House is privileged, if they want it to be.
It also short-circuits the standard contempt-of-Congress procedure, which would involve a referral to the US Attorney for D.C. And if Congress upped the ante to inherent contempt, who would they use it on: Miers? She can wave the OLC opinion. The author of the opinion? They’re just doing what they’ve been told.
This is the unitary executive in action: DOJ is just a hackocracy that takes its orders from the White House.
So it’s time to use unitariness as a weapon against them: if Bush assumes a unitary executive, then he’s personally responsible for what’s done in his name, because the DOJ OLC isn’t an independent actor.
Impeach Bush over this opinion. Put the Unitary Executive on trial, and impeach Cheney too, because he’s the true architect of this unitary bullshit, and we want to put the theory itself on trial.
We’re at the endgame. The choices are (a) impeachment, or (b) a Congress that’s been gelded with respect to oversight.
Needless to say, I like option (a) a lot better.
I’d be surprised if Harriet shows up. Frankly since it’s Conyers’ committee that she is supposed to come before, I think it works better for us if she doesn’t show up, IF—and it’s a big IF—they call her bluff and vote a contempt citation etc.
If she testifies before the committee they will screw up as they have been doing with regularity.
If it were Leahy’s committee that would be a whole different story.
Oy, that was early. Marcy went to CNN with me at 5:15 in the morning for moral support. That’s a good friend.
Jane! You were great!
Yay, Jane! :) (And yay, Marcy! Hope they had good coffee in the green room…)
Katie Jensen @ 39
What oath? The President deserves loyalty only if he obeys the laws and enforces the Constitution is there really an oath to the President? Did I sleep through Social Studies?
GeorgeSimian @ 36
He can not offer her immunity from inherent contempt. This is the sole prerogative of Congress. I suppose he could try but then that would just go into the articles of impeachment. I suspect stepping that hard on Congress would get the 67 needed in the Senate too. They do have pride even if they don’t have honor.
i’m guessing that harriet miers will not show. my big question is that if she blows them off… what will conyers et al. do about it? yesterday did not give me a lot a warm fuzzies.
guess, we can’t expect anything without pressure from us…
and for anyone willing to make a phone call or two this morning… please don’t miss siun’s important post yesterday, “Levin-Lieberman Love Fest – One Step Closer to War on Iran“. our dem senators need to hear from us – that we are watching them.
Kagrox has a piece on inherent contempt.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
Hi Jane
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Maybe, but if there really is a cover up going on, and it looks like there was, Bush is trying to run out the clock. Contempt proceedings can go on for a while, no matter how silly the excuse for EP.
And by the way, Bush ignored Supreme Court directives in regards to Guantanamo, choosing instead to refile the claims with slightly different wordings. What makes anyone think he’ll listen this time? I guess we could always get the DOJ to enforce the law… oh, yeah.
yeah, Harriet was always a risky call. She was White House counsel and the privilege is probably strongest with her. We need to get to Scott Jennings, then on to Rove. Harriet is just a distraction. Mind you, I would love to hear her tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She is clearly a focal point for the U.S. Attorney scandal (not the impetus, just a focal point). She would probably know whether they ever decided it required “the President’s attention.”
realworld @ 48
Maybe you missed Issa walking in to slander Wilson before storming out again.
ccmask @ 22
We can always dream.
George at 51 — In case you were wondering, criminal charges can be brought after Bush leaves office against any and all members of the Administration who may be implicated, if illegal conduct is identified which warrants such prosecution. I’m just saying…
Jane Hamsher @ 44
many thanks to both of you for all your efforts.
RevDeb @ 43
I was working (trying to work) while listening yesterday but I thought they did OK yesterday. Much better than in the past.
TiredFed @ 52
Except the Rs blew that privilege up during the Clinton years by getting rulings that there is no inherent lawyer client privilege between the Pres and the WHC.
Not that that will stop BushCo as they believe the law is just a trifling little inconsequential matter.
GeorgeSimian @ 51
“lifting the privilege” that makes sense…hope it happens
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Thanks!!! That helps.
Can you provide an assessment of the Conyers hearings by the HJC yesterday? Was anything accomplished there?
Bob in WI
Josh Marshall at TPM yesterday pointed out that Dubya’s sending of the letter to Harriet directing her not to show up at today’s hearing may itself be a felonious act. See the link for the US Code references:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015273.php
Do you lawyer types think Josh is on to something here? Does whether or not Meirs shows up today make any difference in this?
Josh has another, hilariously snarky, double entendre-loaded piece up about the “John Race” between McCain and Rudy.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015286.php
Jane Hamsher @ 44
Was there a broadcast of the beautiful Jane that we missed this morning?
Jane on CNN?! Video Link please.
things come undone @ 20
so what’s the procedure for that? does the full committee have to vote? the whole Senate? can it be filibustered, thereby requiring 60 votes? chances are better in the House, where there is no filibuster and most issues require only a simple majority vote. let’s start asking these questions folks.
Yesterday they asked Sara about caging and she claimed she knew nothing. On Greg Palasts e-mails Griffins name is clearly tied to the caging lists.
So did she lie about caging as she praised her BFF Tim?
selise @ 49
I wrote both of mine yesterday. They don’t accept email anymore– you have to use a web form and fill out your personal address information each time. But I did it.
Bob in WI
realworld @ 30
Hey Ari Fleisher was given immunity why not the rest of the guilty.
GeorgeSimian @ 53
The House Rethugs are trailing far behind the Senate in showing any respect for their own prerogatives. Prime examples are the differneces between the two judiciary committees. Most of the Rs on the House committee are still running interference and carrying Bush’s water. Most of the Rs on the Senate committee are no shows as they don’t want to be put between the ludicrous lies of the WH and have it on their records as supporting this stuff. And it allows Snarlin’ Arlen to whine that he’s all alone. Which then allows Leahy to remind Arlen that the invitations were given out far enough in advance and place settings for all were available, they just chose not to RSVP.
i made audio recordings of yesterday’s hearings. if there’s interest, i’ll post the mp3s…. or should i just hit the delete button?
things come undone @ 268
worth repeating. i’m reposting this EPUed gem up here.
Christy: my are you snarky today. Way to go, girl.
Anyway, I picked up a nice new “as dumb as” simile today. Somebody at HuffPo said this of Giuliani:
Love it.
Actually, Giuliani is the “sharpest knife in the drawer,” when it comes to self-promotion, but that’s about it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
only if bush doesn’t pardon them on his way out…. (see bush 41)
bonkers @ 24
Harriet looks like a young Helen Thomas (I have so much respect for Helen). A film about Helen’s life might be an inspiration for young journalist. Harriet could get the part.
snowbird at 65 — If you go back and look at the hearing posts, you’ll see that Taylor parsed her words VERY carefully about caging. She didn’t know much about the “term” voter caging. But when pressed by Leahy about the practice itself, she knew quite a bit. And she couldn’t confirm that “anyone at the upper levels of the President’s staff” did anything like that — but that left the door wide open for lower levels AND for people NOT on the President’s staff. She was quite the contortionist during that segment of questioning.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
Her mentor taught her well.
snowbird42 @ 50
In his TNH post for which you provided a link, KagroX states the following:
Who is paying for all this WH counsel? Somehow I’d guess it’s all of us, the little people. I want my money back so I can go spend it on something worthwhile, not these piss poor excuses for human beings.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
I’ve said this before, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen. People have already “moved on”, waiting for the next election. It’s going to be too easy for Repugs in Congress (and maybe the WH) to say, it’s time to put the past behind us and move on. They did it with Iraq – remember this: “It doesn’t matter if you agreed with the war, now that we’re there, what are we going to do about it?”
It has to happen now.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
But didnt she say Tim had nothing to do with it? Thanks for listening so well.
I have word from an unusually well-informed source that emails to Congress do matter. Get your friends and neighbors to write emails.
Good morning-
Very early AM call, Jane and Marcy! Hope that CNN treated you both well.
Christy – I can’t begin to express how much I appreciate the breadth and depth of your posts. I’m always so slow to comment because I get caught up in digesting the richness of what you write. Thank you so much!
And that richness always runs richly veined through the comments! I marvel at how erudite, witty and just plain wicked quick commenters are!
Back to reading and admiring (and caffeinating)….
Jane, that was most outstanding. But the wing nut blogger guy, did he say why he has not volunteered to win the war? He looked under the enlistment age of 42.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
Do Paraguay (GW) and Dubai (Darth) extradite? I’m just sayin’
In reading an article by Robert Weiner (former Clinton WH counsel)written back on April 13th…he states:
From New Jersey Law Journal
selise @ 69
We would be delighted to have these mp3s and are grateful for your generous gift of time and effort to record these, in addition to your providing us with your Congressional hearings list.
Thanks selise for all that you do!
MSNBC breaking news: President Bush to hold press conference at 10:30 a.m. ET
Christy,
Good morning. Can you comment on the DOJ opinion that low-tech cyclist posted @ 42.
Quite frankly, that opinion scares me.
I just feel like no one realizes that a dictator has taken over and it will be too late when they finally start realizing.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
Not if the President issues a blanket pardon the day he leaves office.
Based on Miers’ Stepford-wife stare & smile from the Supreme court nomination period, I’d have to ask if she can talk.
[all joking aside, I’ll bet she doesn’t. All Bushies have one thing in common: they sit on the fence that divides fear & reward. She won’t talk for fear of what they’d do to her if she did, and she won’t talk knowing that they’ll make it worth her while if she doesn’t.]
Given the DoJ opinion it looks like Miers won’t show. But has she released anything yet saying she won’t? Is there still a chance?
Joe SixPack or Jill 2%Milk or Judy Pellegrini or James RootBeer surely must recognize that duck, weave, evade, and deny indicate something less than honesty and dignity.
realworld @ 23
yuppers. inherent contempt. go for it, Congress. what have you got to lose?
LL @ 88–Unless I am quite mistaken he cannot pardon himself.
Lee at 89 — The President cannot pardon himself.
Here’s a rather extended (and interesting) article on Taylor:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
The President cannot pardon himself.
now that would be a great Merle Haggard song title
Just where is the verifiable evidence to back up these unsubstantiated claims about Iran that Lieberman and other individuals who lied us into Iraq are repeating?
How can you put forth an amendment based on what? How can you vote “yea” on legislation put forth by the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots?
The legislation
http://lieberman.senate.gov/ne…..?id=278654
Remember when the Chairmain of the Joint Chiefs of Staff just came right out and said there is no evidence whatsoever for Bush and Rummy to claim that Iran’s government is behind this. This story was buried.
“The top U.S. military officer said on Tuesday the United States does not have proof that Iran’s government is responsible for Iranians smuggling weapons and military personnel into Iraq.
President George W. Bush said on Monday components from Iran were being used in powerful roadside bombs used in Iraq, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last week that Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel had been inside Iraq.
Asked whether the United States has proof that Iran’s government was behind these developments, Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon briefing, “I do not, sir.”
AT media Matters…Pace’s comments
http://mediamatters.org/items/200603210013
Cameron reported Bush claim that Iran sent IEDs to Iraq, omitted that Gen. Pace said U.S. has no proof
Summary: Fox News chief White House correspondent Carl Cameron repeated President Bush’s claim that Iran has helped Iraqi insurgents build deadlier improvised explosive devices (IEDs), but omitted the fact that Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that there’s no proof to back up such a claim.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 87
We all know what he is going to say, so why bother: “We’re havin’ awl kindsa success in Eyerack, our goals are bein’ met. Ah jus’ need a little mo’ time to win this war ‘gainst the terrists who attacked me on 9/11.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 94
It’s never been done…I haven’t seen caselaw one way or another. I think it’s highly speculative he would do it, since it largely depends on the outcome of the next election; and I think he wouldn’t do it as a matter of pride. But I think it’s an open question since it’s never been done.
Well Sara Taylor did a pretty good job of stonewalling, as have Gonzales/Goodling/Sampson. I’m pretty fed up with it. I pray Miers shows up and instead of showing contempt for Congress and the public, she gives us truth for a change.
A girl can dream.
Harriet won’t show but Conyers better follow up PDQ with a contempt citation and get her hauled off to jail.
Leahy should forget Taylor and subpoena Rove-this crap is not moving quickly enough. The Dems in Congress need to stop bringing pillows to a goddam gun fight.
I agree with several above, including Mr. rwcole, that the solution is to simply vote on a contempt charge. I’d do it right there while in session, and on national (or at least c-span) TV.
Don’t waste time on further deliberation or “talks” with the WH. Tell America that a witness failed to obey a subpoena. Tell America that whenever regular Americans fail to obey a subpoena, they get a contempt charge filed against them. Tell America that this woman is not more special or privileged than any other American.
Let the “R” team mumble and bumble about some DOJ letter that excuses her. Put the WH on the defensive. That’s always how you WIN.
Ghostman
GeorgeSimian @ 36
just had to jump in here. I’m sure Stephen will have this researched and referenced by now, but Bush cannot overrule or otherwise abrogate a Congressional contempt citation. Neither can the Supreme Court. It is one of the powers granted to Congress by the Constitution. There is no “sentence” to commute; a person held in contempt of Congress is held, quite literally, until Congress decides to release him or her.
Nice link @95, Waccamaw
Favorite Schadenfreudelicious moment:
“She wasn’t terribly surprised. Last year Taylor signed up for professional liability insurance after noting comments made by some Democrats on the 2006 campaign trail about wanting to investigate the White House.
But now she’s on several hooks. This week she found out the insurance will not cover her legal costs. Moreover, she’s restrained from fully telling her side of things, from moving on.”
1. Interesting that she took out that insurance in 06′
2. Interesting it won’t cover her legal bills and she has no legal defense fund like others…
OT:
“guards” steal 282 Million from Iraq Bank
Now I know why the Bush Crime Syndicate wants to stay in Iraq. Anyone want to guess what black ops group was behind this?
snowbird42 @ 11
To this point they have been rather timid. HJC hearings have been abysmal. Dems have been poorly prepared and uncoordinated in their questioning. Much of that can be placed at the feet of John Conyers. He’s lost the fire in his belly and appears to be just going through the motions.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 86
So you don’t have to watch….LINK
Bush’s speech in Cleveland might be a barometer of where he’s been directed by CheneyRove. It was the most rambling, disjointed, confabulated stuff I’d seen so far. It was almost as if he played one of those word gamed where one chooses from three piles – a subject, adjectives and adverbs and a verb. None of it made sense.
Waccamaw @ 95
this is from that article
“Under questioning yesterday, she refused to answer several questions and testified that she never spoke or met with President Bush about plans to fire the U.S. attorneys last year.”
Where was this reporter. Taylor refused to answer the majority of the questions
TiredFed @102
Thanks, that makes me feel a little better.
Of course, that requires have the gumption to issue the citation (wow, I thought of another word besides a euphemism for test!cles–that took some time!).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 94
Could the President pardon the Vice President, then resign and then the Vice President pardons him?
Anyone want to match me $50.00 for Jane & Marcy’s trip this morning?
snowbird42 @ 79
She also seemed to think his background as a Republikan creature made him a fine candidate as a US attorney. And was really mad when she heard he wouldn’t be nominated.
She also said Iglesias’ firing was a WH deliberation. She could’ve said it was discussed at some mythical “senior level”.
LibertyLee @ 89
At least, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Feith, Bremer, all the Cheney’s, etc., will not be travelling to Europe. They will be arrested and tried for war crimes by the
International Criminal Court, at the Hague.
Kevster @ 100
I liked to say that the Democrats are going to a back alley knife fight armed with feather dusters. Take off the glove and exercise your Constitutional authority with no holds barred.
dreamcatcher @ 98
I should have added: “We hafta fight ‘em there so we don’t hafta fight ‘em here. God love ya, but mostly me.”
TiredFed @ 6:19 am -
If you have not already done so, please read snowbird42’s 5:46 am comment and my 5:38 am and 6:00 am comments.
Frank33 @ 114
I seriously doubt that would happen. Even Clinton threatened Belgium with a loss of treaty rights if they tried that…they would lose a LOT of NATO money.
Citizen Jane -
Oh, she will……tooooot sweeeeeet. Her good buds probably ran right out and opened an account the minute they read this…..gotta keep her happy, donya know.
OTOH, it is a rather nice touch of karma that the insurance doesn’t cover it. *g* Wonder how the company worded *that* clause?
Christy –
Is there any legal repercussion for Miers if she testifies in defiance of Bush’s gag order? Does the assertion of EP carry any weight?
Good morning from L.A. Dawn here, w/a lovely pink & yellow sky predicting another day in the mid-80s.
Excellent post, CHS, & thanks for the links, Salon especially. My daughter is writing a lengthy paper for psych class @ UCLA about cults. Was proofing it this morning & couldn’t help but note the similarities to loyal Bushies. If I substituted Bush for Jim Jones, Koresh, etc. in the text, it was a perfect fit, unfortunately.
Was running a lot of tv vids yesterday @ work doing film research & took advantage of a break to watch the May 9 Seattle U. forum w/McKay, Charlton, & Iglesias. They quoted Bud Cummins @ one point- “If the U.S. prosecutor is doing his/her job, they’re not welcome @ the country club.” Iglesias drew a laugh when he remarked wryly he’d become a lot more bi-partisan since being fired. Charlton’s controlled anger @ Gonzales et al’s cavalier treatment of a death penalty case was sad to watch. McKay noted that those in D.C. making DOJ decisions right now forgot to read the last word on their name tags- it’s Dept. of JUSTICE.
The integrity on that stage was palpable, unlike almost everything we’ve seen from DOJ witnesses in these hearings (Comey excepted). How much we all lost when these USAs were fired.
Lou Costello @ 106
The stenographic pool must all be atwitter with excitement.
Tom Steele @ 118
Well Leahy pretty much told Miss Sara yesterday that she was on shaky ground since Fielding (re: exec privilege) was on shaky legal ground, and she should think about whether or not she really wanted to try and protect herself based on a sh*te letter.
Frank33 @ 6:23 am -
Wikipedia: International Criminal Court
Bluetoe @ 115
I agree wholeheartedly. Yesterday I was so p’oed I wanted Leahy to slap contempt on the whole rotten lot.
Clever of Taylor to frame Bush’s obstruction as “Mr. Fielding’s.”
selise @ 69
whoa. dont hit that button. would love to hear what I missed. you have mps of the Wilson hearing, too? you rock, selise.
mui @ 123
Understood, but his comment has more to do with the possibility of being held in contempt of Congress. What’ I’m after is whether there are any consequences for defying the executive branch’s prohibition.
LibertyLee @ 88
Can he issue a pardon for crimes that haven’t been proven yet? Can he just give a list of 50 people that can never be taken to court to determine guilt or innocence?
Marie May 9 Seattle U. forum w/McKay, Charlton, & Iglesias
Linky for the video?
If I were Miers attorney, I would counsel her to honor the subpoena by at least showing up.
Why?
1} It would establish to at least a some degree that she is an independent player.
2] By not showing up she will certainly force a contempt citation. A legal battle she will almost certainly lose. This will cost her personally and financially.
3] I would not want to be defending against a contempt charge before someone like Judge Walton and the other side says, “Judge, she didn’t even show up!”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 86
I’m not sure why he shows up for these things. It’s not like we don’t know what he’s going to say. It pretty much writes itself.
Progress is being made. Do I wish it was faster? Yes. I understand the concerns of the American people. I have concerns. The surge is just getting started and it is a good plan for victory. Now some say we should just leave without seeing what happens. Well, I will tell you what happens. Al Qaeda will win in Iraq and the terrorists will follow us back here. We can only lose if we give up and I’m not going to do that. Thank you.
Marie Roget @ 119
Beg to differ on the cult comparison. Koresh and Jones were religious cults, and misguided as they were, they had a certain level of religious sincerity. If the Bushies are a cult, they are a cult of addiction to power and money. The religious aspect is a tool to ensnare the minds of the gullible. It is well documented that the Bush people in fact are contemptuous of certain factions of the religious right, and in the Oval Office, sometimes refer to the religious right as “crazies.”
I was reading the Gail Sheehy piece on Bush the other day, and one of his oldest friends commented that after Bush announced his being “a reborn Christian” he did not notice any change in Bush at all. It was just a politically adroit move.
OT re Lady Bird Johnson:
Do ya suppose that GWB will order Cheney to attend the funeral?
Ha! I crack myself up sometimes.
At one contentious point Taylor told the Committee it might be best if she just not answer any questions. The threatened Committee did not pick up that ball and run with it. Disappointing.
Kathleen @ 19
In the interests of accuracy: all the Dems *did* vote for the Webb Amendment yesterday. McConnell, being the pi$$y obstructionist that he is, insisted that they had to have 60 votes to get out of cloture. Heck, they even had 7 GOPers vote for it!
The Liebermann measure, on the other hand, passed 97-0. I called Schumer and Clinton to complain loudly about that one.
They really, really need to replace Conyers on the House Committee with a pitbull.
egregious @ 128
Here you go, egregious. Lots of good vids on this page- USA Seattle forum discussion is 2nd to last @ bottom of page:
Seattle USA Forum
Lou Costello @ 16
Exactly right. They will do what they did the last six times their subpoenas were ignored. Spine indeed!
Marie Roget @ 121
Hello Marie Roget. I just ordered a Phil Ochs album.
Loo Hoo. @ 129
Yes.
Ok,
maybe I haven’t had any coffee yet, but as I look at today’s online NYT and Wapo, there is not a single story about yesterday’s hearings before the SJC.
Zip. Zero. Nada.
Yesterday Chris Matthews said he’d like to have an hour with Scooter Libby and some sodium pentothal(sp?)
Thanks Marie! Much appreciated.
Conyers is doing a disservice to all of us by giving priority to getting face time for himself instead of bowing out and letting a pit bull take over.
Sally @ 144
Imagine what it’d be like if all the fired US Attorneys plus Fitzgerald had an opportunity to x-examine these folks.
mui @ 139
Hi, mui. Got a lot of Phil’s vinyl myself to which I’m very attached, scratchy though it may be.
We all could use some protest music right about now, yeah?!
Sally @ 144
I agree, someone needs to get realistic about letting Conyers be the face on this one. He’s not qualified.
‘morning, pups…. far far away in the mountains – anyone got some coffee?
did I miss something yesterday?
Subway Serenade @ 142
From NYTimes Washington section
Lou Costello @ 83
Not Paraguay. Shortly before Bush bought his 100,000 acres, Paraguay passed a law that that they won’t extradite U.S. citizens for war crimes, etc.
mui @ 146
This sounds like a GOOD plan!
Hariett Miers works in my building – part time. She isn’t here every day, but I have run into her in the Ladies Room. She looks worse in person than on television.
Apparently, she’s loosely affiliated with a consulting firm on my floor, and ocassionally works out of their offices.
I’ll certainly keep my eyes peeled for an appearance! I rather doubt that she’ll be anywhere near DC today, though.
Subway Serenade @ 142
Yeah, and the teevee news (the bits I could stomach) was all about Chertoff’s “gut feeling” — he made the rounds — and the new intelligence assessment that Al Qaeda is back to pre-9/11 strength, and Woodward’s WaPo nugget that CIA chief Hayden told Bush & the ISG mid-Nov ‘06 that the Iraqi govt couldn’t & wouldn’t function. No Cong. oversight here, move along. And be very afraid.
(A very little recognition, however, that the whole “fight ‘em over there” thing… not so much.)
Marie Roget @ 146
Absolutely!
OT ~ “When the Iraqis stand up…we’ll stand down.” WTF???
Iraqi police assisted gunmen U.S. Army report analyzes attack that killed 5 GIs
Sounds like Darth was in charge of security.
Loo Hoo. @ 128
A blanket pardon to a class of individuals is an amnesty and goes back to George Washington. Like most things Bush does this would be a perversion of the original concept.
Gerald Ford gave Nixon a full pardon before he was ever formerly charged with anything. So yes, a pardon can be used preemptively.
What is important to remember is that a pardon is an act of grace which exempts someone from the punishment for a crime he or she has committed. So there is inherently an admission of guilt in a pardon although in a preemptive pardon this may be difficult to specify precisely.
fwiw, I would guess that Ms. Miers will in fact show up this morning – assert her claims of privilege, and (at least attempt to) go home.
Trying to think back on first-year Professional Responsibility course… if third parties are present at a moment where an attorney gives advice to a client, doesn’t even the attorney lose the ability to claim atty/client privilege…and become subject to being questioned as to the nature of the conversation?
It’s been way more than a day or two since I took that class, but am I remembering correctly?
IrishJim @ 105
Well, that should feather the Rethugs presidential campaign funds nicely.
Subway Serenade @ 142
and the WaPo0 The WaPo0 article is masquerading as a profile of Sara Taylor but covers the hearing.
From that msnbc thing about Bush’s press conference. This stood out. Guess he’ll be talking about Iraq.
dakine01 @ 159
For some reason, I am afraid to read it. Should I be afraid?
Okay, off topic, I know, but, I thought I could be helpful to all you out there who are trying to lose a few pounds. I periodically post letters to the editor from my old home town newspaper, the Monroe News Star World, straight outa Monroe, La. Try keeping a meal down after you read this:
“I am very sorry to learn that Sen. David Vitter’s phone number showed up in the old phone records of the alleged “D.C. Madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey; however, this does not change my opinion of him as a senator since this was before he was elected to the Senate.
If we could see all of the records, we would likely find many more of our public officials on it. Then who would we vote for?
His “sin” does not even come close to the shame and disgrace that Bill Clinton put on the White House with Monica Lewinsky while he was our president. Vitter has made peace with God and his family, and to me that is sufficient. I will continue to support him and vote for him because he has done so much for Louisiana.
After all, who among us is worthy to cast the first stone?
Maxine Fuller
West Monroe”
egregious @ 86 & TiredFed @ 128 –
sorry for the delay, was on the phone with senator kennedy’s office (to complain about yesterday’s vote for lieberman amendment).
i have audio recordings (mp3s) of both of hearings… will go check them now (and edit out extraneous stuff), and post the links when they are uploaded.
dakine01 @ 149
It surprised me that this story wasn’t frontpaged in the online version.
GeorgeSimian @ 160
Ah Chimpy doesn’t care about polls. It’s all about “gut feeling.” Plus he talks with G*d, or so he says.
mui @ 141
And, hearing this, are we not supposed to think: Sure, he’d take the narcotic himself to “heighten his pleasure” while “interviewing” Libby…
Corky at 151 — Too funny — and I think you are correct that she won’t be anywhere near DC today. Here’s hoping for some spine and a contempt citation in the offing…but until it actually happens, I am not holding my breath.
They really, really need to replace Conyers on the House Committee with a pitbull.
Is there any single Dem honcho who can arrange that matters of most interest be directed to either Leahy or Waxman, and relegate the HJC to handling more B-Team matters?
boxer @ 162
Looks like Maxine thinks she is so worthy.
Thanks selise, that’s great.
Speaking of well-informed sources, do get to know your Congressional staff if at all possible. They are the ones who frame decision points, make recommendations to the Rep, and write legislation.
They specialize in certain areas, find out which one handles the issues you care about.
Kevster @ 100
it’s too soon to go after Rove, unless the Dems already have all the evidence they need. Go after Jennings, go back and get Sampson (and possibly Delilah), get Griffin and the other Taylor (DC USA), get Bill Kelley (WHCO) and Margolis, and get Gonzo up there again. Do it until their heads spin!
New Christy upstairs
low-tech cyclist @ 42
I agree with this assessment. It scares me, and I think it scares our representatives, who are looking into the void of rule by men, not rule by laws. This government is so much worse than I could even contemplate in sleepless nights, that it still floors me. Congress has got to go the contempt route, if only for the sake of honour, and to keep the flickering light of our freedom alive, it only for just a little while more.
Fester Addms @ 166
ewww. Sounds kinky. and anything kinky in relation to Matthews causes a gag reflex.
Thanks Selise
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selise says:
July 11th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
the text of the bill is not posted yet… but here’s where i think it will be (hopefully in
the next few minutes): Lieberman Amdt. No. 2073
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/…..0:SP02073:
and here’s the roll call vote.
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00242
Write Senator Brownback (kansas), Senator Vitter (LA) and Senator Johnson (SD) for having the nerve to not vote on such an outrageous amendment having to do with more aggressive actions towards Iran. There is no hard evidence to back up the claims being repeated by the Iraq war zealots.
Glenn Greenwald on the zealots push for Iran
http://bookclub.tpmcafe.com/bl….._with_iran
Loo Hoo. @ 129
The president can issue categorical pardons. He need not enumerate the people getting them nor the crimes being pardoned. He could everyone in his administration for everything they’ve ever done. In fact, according to John Dean, the president can even pardon himself, which of course puts him above the law.
There is one and only one safeguard against abuse of pardons, immediate impeachment.
Morning pups – yesterday was quite a day @ the Lake. Fingers & toes crossed for Harriet to flip.
3 OTs:
1. It’s official. The TP goes overhand by 76% http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..81218/2120
2.democracynow.org this morning is a must see. Interviews U.S. soldiers who have served in Iraq and are featured in a full-length Nation article.
3. The bookI’ve been waiting for on CIA (Legacy of Ashes), written by NYT Tim Weiner & reviewed by Michael Beschloss. The fundamental reason why the spook business doesn’t work is because it is essentially secret and thus not subject to oversight or competition, which leads to bad behavior. This I learned from the first book I read on the subject, The Second Oldest Profession.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..ref=slogin
mui @ 161
Well, it builds her up as this analytical mind but then starts the poor little girl caught between the big bad bullies.
boxer @ 162
Another GOP family values voter. Oh the hypocrisy.
Fresh thread up and running for everyone.
GeorgeSimian @ 111
yup.
kathleen at 175 says “Write Senator Brownback (kansas), Senator Vitter (LA) and Senator Johnson (SD) for having the nerve to not vote on such an outrageous amendment having to do with more aggressive actions towards Iran. There is no hard evidence to back up the claims being repeated by the Iraq war zealots. “
uhhhh, they didn’t vote because they weren’t there, kathleen.
mui @ 165
Yeah, what happened to all that talk with God? Wasn’t it God who told him to invade Iraq? Was it God who forgot about post-war strategy? I guess Bush got cut off.
Where is the Eucalyptus when you need it? just the thought of looking behind Harriet’s rah rah skirt has made me vomit.
Pelosi 2007!
Gore/Obama 2008!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
I wish I could remember the dumb ass Congress critter who brought up (during the hearings yesterday) that the Democrats had had ‘this many’ oversight hearings “just within the first 100 days” when the Republicans had only very few in comparison. He was attempting to spin it to have it look as though the Dems were “nosy” or just looking to be looking ‘cuz they can.
It’s that infernal playing on people’s ignorance of civics and gov’t. The Democrats are protrayed as abusing their newfound power, but yet they do not speak to the abuse of power of the administration because they’re part-’n-parcel.
Cannon from Utah making his opening statements in the HJC hearing. As usual “nothing to see here move along”.
Cannon “smoke and mirrors”
So why is Bob “groupthink” the Plame investigation is “much to do about nothing” Woodward stoking the fires with an article about a Nov 13, 2006 meeting now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
Is he part of the lets go get Iran team?
dreamcatcher @ 133-
Probably should have been more specific re: my daughter’s paper- most cults are not actually religion-based, according to her basic argument. She postulates they primarily fall under the heading of “cults of personality.” Other premise she went into in detail was regarding cult members & what motivates their unwavering allegiance to flawed leaders.
Katie Jensen @ 27
Who did the pom pom girl artwork. It is great!