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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-814735</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813529&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 71&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;DiFI: Who fired the attorneys&lt;br /&gt;
Sara: Internal deliberations&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Internal deliberations: aka senior staff, a great black hole, where noone takes responsibility&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought by law only the president could fire them, but then there was the memo which showed Gonzales authorized Goodling &amp; Sancho Panza or somebody.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, so she doesn’t want to talk about advise and discussion with the president or within the Executive Branch — does that means their final actions are also protected?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If so and so advises for the firing of somebody USA that should be protected. But, if somebody fire Mr. USA, then shouldn’t we be allowed to know who did the firing, the actual governmental action?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can the Executive branch operate in complete secrecy and the Congress still be able to perform it’s oversight responsibility (not prerogative…responsibility)?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-813529"><em>mui @ 71</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>DiFI: Who fired the attorneys<br />
Sara: Internal deliberations</p>
<p>Internal deliberations: aka senior staff, a great black hole, where noone takes responsibility</p>
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<p>I thought by law only the president could fire them, but then there was the memo which showed Gonzales authorized Goodling &amp; Sancho Panza or somebody.</p>
<p>Anyway, so she doesn’t want to talk about advise and discussion with the president or within the Executive Branch — does that means their final actions are also protected?</p>
<p>If so and so advises for the firing of somebody USA that should be protected. But, if somebody fire Mr. USA, then shouldn’t we be allowed to know who did the firing, the actual governmental action?</p>
<p>How can the Executive branch operate in complete secrecy and the Congress still be able to perform it’s oversight responsibility (not prerogative…responsibility)?</p>
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		<title>By: eliot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-814526</link>
		<dc:creator>eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;for info on how taylor came to find out Cummins was “lazy” Cummins said it came from Griffin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062507J.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062507J.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for info on how taylor came to find out Cummins was “lazy” Cummins said it came from Griffin</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062507J.shtml">http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062507J.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-814482</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813514&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;grayslady @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813489&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;radiofreewill @ 40&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;DiFi:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who decided which attorney’s to fire?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Privileged&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where did the plan to remove and replace several attorneys originate?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Privilege&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was the basis to determine who to fire?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you add or remove names?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not that I know of.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re “privileged” responses: Doesn’t this absolutely indicate the White House? Didn’t she say she would invoke privilege if responses involved the WH? Seems to me her non-answers are giving the SJC all the answers they need.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And this explains why the committee is smart to allow her to give this ludicrous testimony in this session. They get a great deal of information, and she is now set up for  possible charges of both contempt and perjury. The committee can bring her back any time and make those stick. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Knowing that, her attorney should (if he has no conflict of interest!) negotiate an agreement for her to testify. To do otherwise would be to betray his client’s evident interests and open himself up to a malpractice suit at a minimum.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-813514"><em>grayslady @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-813489"><em>radiofreewill @ 40</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>DiFi:</p>
<p>Who decided which attorney’s to fire?</p>
<p>Privileged</p>
<p>Where did the plan to remove and replace several attorneys originate?</p>
<p>Privilege</p>
<p>What was the basis to determine who to fire?</p>
<p>I don’t know.</p>
<p>Did you add or remove names?</p>
<p>Not that I know of.</p>
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<p>Re “privileged” responses: Doesn’t this absolutely indicate the White House? Didn’t she say she would invoke privilege if responses involved the WH? Seems to me her non-answers are giving the SJC all the answers they need.</p>
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<p>And this explains why the committee is smart to allow her to give this ludicrous testimony in this session. They get a great deal of information, and she is now set up for  possible charges of both contempt and perjury. The committee can bring her back any time and make those stick. </p>
<p>Knowing that, her attorney should (if he has no conflict of interest!) negotiate an agreement for her to testify. To do otherwise would be to betray his client’s evident interests and open himself up to a malpractice suit at a minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-814184</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably well into EPU-land, but I’ve read through all the comments here before deciding to post. So this “young lady” was paid with our money, OUR MONEY, to aid and abet the process of corrupting OUR government, and she now has the gall to sit there and say she doesn’t remember doing anything wrong, or doesn’t remember anything. So OUR MONEY goes to pay contemptuous high-level government employees who are either brain-damaged or liars. I can see the set-up being put in place by the questioning, and I hope it pays off, in providing a clear shot at the Oval Office. And I hope she goes to jail. Throw her in jail. She is a vile, disgusting, criminal, partisan completely corrupted pos. She deserves to be stripped of her citizenship.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably well into EPU-land, but I’ve read through all the comments here before deciding to post. So this “young lady” was paid with our money, OUR MONEY, to aid and abet the process of corrupting OUR government, and she now has the gall to sit there and say she doesn’t remember doing anything wrong, or doesn’t remember anything. So OUR MONEY goes to pay contemptuous high-level government employees who are either brain-damaged or liars. I can see the set-up being put in place by the questioning, and I hope it pays off, in providing a clear shot at the Oval Office. And I hope she goes to jail. Throw her in jail. She is a vile, disgusting, criminal, partisan completely corrupted pos. She deserves to be stripped of her citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-813933</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813778&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mauimom @ 286&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are media whores, and they cheapen the debate and provide “cover” to those who want to discount opponents to the war.  Have they spent any time @ Walter Reed?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;looks like they were doing it every friday in 2005.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codepink4peace.org/section.php?id=206&quot;&gt;a list&lt;/a&gt; of past actions. i honor their patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-813778"><em>mauimom @ 286</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>They are media whores, and they cheapen the debate and provide “cover” to those who want to discount opponents to the war.  Have they spent any time @ Walter Reed?</p>
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<p>looks like they were doing it every friday in 2005.</p>
<p>here’s <a href="http://www.codepink4peace.org/section.php?id=206">a list</a> of past actions. i honor their patriotism.</p>
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		<title>By: Arca</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-813918</link>
		<dc:creator>Arca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why are the repugs boycotting this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the repugs boycotting this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-813866</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leahy smashes her on “Oath to the President” answer as soon as he gets back from the break.  He’s looking to hammer her now, and it gets to the heart of this matter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bravo…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leahy smashes her on “Oath to the President” answer as soon as he gets back from the break.  He’s looking to hammer her now, and it gets to the heart of this matter.</p>
<p>Bravo…</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is Sara walking away from the SJC hearing.. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She was heard saying.. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Damn I wish they wouldn’t have reamed me out like that !!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alphabetus-stars.de/bilder-v2/posts/0081-0090/0083/Reese_Witherspoon_Leaving_the_Gym_in_Hawaii_7-8-07_5.html&quot;&gt;Sara and her sore ass…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Sara walking away from the SJC hearing.. </p>
<p>She was heard saying.. </p>
<p>Damn I wish they wouldn’t have reamed me out like that !!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alphabetus-stars.de/bilder-v2/posts/0081-0090/0083/Reese_Witherspoon_Leaving_the_Gym_in_Hawaii_7-8-07_5.html">Sara and her sore ass…</a></p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-813839</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813777&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lawyer Smith @ 285&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In answering and admitting her answer to Senator Cardin regarding her opinion on whether wrongdoing was done in the firing of US Attys encroached on the privilege she is asserting by proxy,(it’s not her privilege after all), she waived the privilege and should be compelled to answer all questions at this point.  In order to hold someone in contempt, by the by, you must establish on the record that they have the information being sought in the question, but refuse to give the information for one reason or another.  I think the Senators did a pretty good job of establishing her knowledge of the information and that her refusal to answer the questions is not because there is no information to give, but because she believes she does not have to answer the question.  It’sw a shame this is before Congress and not a judge because whether or not the privilege applies would be decided before she testified and she would either be allowed to hide, singing like a bird or sitting in a jail thinking about it.  I like the last one the best.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So do I. Amen to that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-813777"><em>Lawyer Smith @ 285</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>In answering and admitting her answer to Senator Cardin regarding her opinion on whether wrongdoing was done in the firing of US Attys encroached on the privilege she is asserting by proxy,(it’s not her privilege after all), she waived the privilege and should be compelled to answer all questions at this point.  In order to hold someone in contempt, by the by, you must establish on the record that they have the information being sought in the question, but refuse to give the information for one reason or another.  I think the Senators did a pretty good job of establishing her knowledge of the information and that her refusal to answer the questions is not because there is no information to give, but because she believes she does not have to answer the question.  It’sw a shame this is before Congress and not a judge because whether or not the privilege applies would be decided before she testified and she would either be allowed to hide, singing like a bird or sitting in a jail thinking about it.  I like the last one the best.</p>
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<p>So do I. Amen to that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/sara-taylor-part-ii/#comment-813836</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-813804&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 300&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The last exchange went badly for Taylor.  Cardin went to the point I wanted.  Taylor states an opinion.  When asked for the basis for that opinion she is suddenly confronted with giving a factual answer and that puts her in conflict with her use of Executive Privilege.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is an inherent contradiction here.  If she answers any questions and she has, she is in some way not following the blanket assertion of privilege made by this Administration.  The Senators have shown this over and over again.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But if she is not using executive privilege all the time, then she can not use it just part of the time or when she feels like it.  She can not pick and choose.  Oh here I will invoke EP but there I won’t.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having bailed on Executive Privilege at any time means she can no longer use it at any other time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is the importance of what happened at the end.  She crossed the line and Cardin showed that.  She can not scurry back and say Oh that admission was a mistake.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not unless the committee lets her. wonder what they will do - press on or retreat?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-813804"><em>Hugh @ 300</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The last exchange went badly for Taylor.  Cardin went to the point I wanted.  Taylor states an opinion.  When asked for the basis for that opinion she is suddenly confronted with giving a factual answer and that puts her in conflict with her use of Executive Privilege.  </p>
<p>There is an inherent contradiction here.  If she answers any questions and she has, she is in some way not following the blanket assertion of privilege made by this Administration.  The Senators have shown this over and over again.  </p>
<p>But if she is not using executive privilege all the time, then she can not use it just part of the time or when she feels like it.  She can not pick and choose.  Oh here I will invoke EP but there I won’t.  </p>
<p>Having bailed on Executive Privilege at any time means she can no longer use it at any other time.</p>
<p>That is the importance of what happened at the end.  She crossed the line and Cardin showed that.  She can not scurry back and say Oh that admission was a mistake.</p>
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<p>not unless the committee lets her. wonder what they will do &#8211; press on or retreat?</p>
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