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	<title>Comments on: HJC Hearing on Libby&#8217;s Get Out of Jail Free Card, Three</title>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/hjc-hearing-on-libbys-get-out-of-jail-free-card-three/#comment-816126</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814762&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;sandflea @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And a rightie having to quote WaPo to discredit Wilson, you know what THAT means!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooooohhhh!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what bulldada…the arse quotes an OP-ED as EVIDENCE that Plame wasn’t covert…when he knows full well that the current Director of the CIA declassified a document that summarized her employment activities over the last five years that showed she was STILL an active covert officer even when the Novak article was published.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That report stated that between January 2002 and the date of exposure she had travelled abroad clandestinely a minimum of SEVEN TIMES and perhaps TEN TIMES OR MORE! All in the service of the CIA on National Security issues related to Counter-Proliferation of WMD’s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Val Plame was NO DESK JOCKEY! She was not a SECRETARY!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Her exposure put her networks, her covert operations, her informants, her sources, and her own life at risk. It may have also placed the lives of her family at risk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They can’t travel abroad without being targetted by organizations that may view her prior work as supporting the “great Satan”. Bush, Cheney, Libby, Armitage, Novak and all the others involved should realize that they shut down her work and removed an officer doing the most dangerous work that our nation can call upon…that of a NOC…out of blocking the Al Qaeda’s of this world from getting nukes and bio-terror weapons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not a whisper of an apology! Instead you have these spineless, chickenhawk Congressmen making vile threats and slanders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder how the rank-and-file Intelligence community feels about this disgusting behavior!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814762"><em>sandflea @ 121</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And a rightie having to quote WaPo to discredit Wilson, you know what THAT means!</p>
<p>Ooooohhhh!!</p>
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<p>And what bulldada…the arse quotes an OP-ED as EVIDENCE that Plame wasn’t covert…when he knows full well that the current Director of the CIA declassified a document that summarized her employment activities over the last five years that showed she was STILL an active covert officer even when the Novak article was published.</p>
<p>That report stated that between January 2002 and the date of exposure she had travelled abroad clandestinely a minimum of SEVEN TIMES and perhaps TEN TIMES OR MORE! All in the service of the CIA on National Security issues related to Counter-Proliferation of WMD’s.</p>
<p>Val Plame was NO DESK JOCKEY! She was not a SECRETARY!</p>
<p>Her exposure put her networks, her covert operations, her informants, her sources, and her own life at risk. It may have also placed the lives of her family at risk.</p>
<p>They can’t travel abroad without being targetted by organizations that may view her prior work as supporting the “great Satan”. Bush, Cheney, Libby, Armitage, Novak and all the others involved should realize that they shut down her work and removed an officer doing the most dangerous work that our nation can call upon…that of a NOC…out of blocking the Al Qaeda’s of this world from getting nukes and bio-terror weapons.</p>
<p>Not a whisper of an apology! Instead you have these spineless, chickenhawk Congressmen making vile threats and slanders.</p>
<p>I wonder how the rank-and-file Intelligence community feels about this disgusting behavior!</p>
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		<title>By: whtt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/11/hjc-hearing-on-libbys-get-out-of-jail-free-card-three/#comment-816125</link>
		<dc:creator>whtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A search at video.google.com for Joe Wilson will yield some good video from the hearing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Joe Wilson&amp;num=10&amp;so=1&amp;start=0&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A search at video.google.com for Joe Wilson will yield some good video from the hearing.</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Joe Wilson&amp;num=10&amp;so=1&amp;start=0">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814668&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tithonia @ 38&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Re: Miers, Taylor et al: What could these people possibly see in George Bush to inspire such loyalty?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THE ROAD TO POWER…incompetants couldn’t obtain it otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And once inculcated in the criminal enterprise they have to protect their own skins.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814668"><em>Tithonia @ 38</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Re: Miers, Taylor et al: What could these people possibly see in George Bush to inspire such loyalty?</p>
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<p>THE ROAD TO POWER…incompetants couldn’t obtain it otherwise.</p>
<p>And once inculcated in the criminal enterprise they have to protect their own skins.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-815812&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RickinSF @ 195&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is Joe Wilson related to Pete Wilson, the loathsome ex-gov of California?&lt;br /&gt;
I wouldn’t be bragging about it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe was referring to his great-uncle “Sunny Jim” Rolph when he was talking about his relative that was both mayor of SF and a governor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rolph&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rolph&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe Wilson is also related to Pete Wilson, who is an uncle. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reality is that Joe Wilson is actually pretty establishment and raised as an old-school Republican. So the brush that the neo-Cons are trying to paint him with, that he was a Democratic mole, is simply bogus. He was appointed by Reagan initially, praised by Bush elder…and was a competant career diplomat so was carried over to the Clinton era.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His campaign contributions, for what they are worth (they are pretty limited) have been to both Republicans and Democrats. True, he did donate to Al Gore’s campaign…but before that he gave $1000 to the primary campaign of George W. Bush. That’s a fact ignored utterly by the right-wing zealots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As is the fact that Wilson was in favor of continued sanctions, and the military build-up to pressure Saddam to allow the IAEA inspectors BACK IN…to verify compliance. When he found that the WH was misusing information that he knew was erroneous (as he had spoken with the US Ambassador and Gen. Fulford about their conclusions, as well as his own investigation) he was concerned…and when the IAEA pronounced the Niger-Iraq “contracts” shabby forgeries…he spoke out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-815812"><em>RickinSF @ 195</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Is Joe Wilson related to Pete Wilson, the loathsome ex-gov of California?<br />
I wouldn’t be bragging about it.</p>
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<p>Joe was referring to his great-uncle “Sunny Jim” Rolph when he was talking about his relative that was both mayor of SF and a governor.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rolph">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rolph</a></p>
<p>Joe Wilson is also related to Pete Wilson, who is an uncle. </p>
<p>The reality is that Joe Wilson is actually pretty establishment and raised as an old-school Republican. So the brush that the neo-Cons are trying to paint him with, that he was a Democratic mole, is simply bogus. He was appointed by Reagan initially, praised by Bush elder…and was a competant career diplomat so was carried over to the Clinton era.</p>
<p>His campaign contributions, for what they are worth (they are pretty limited) have been to both Republicans and Democrats. True, he did donate to Al Gore’s campaign…but before that he gave $1000 to the primary campaign of George W. Bush. That’s a fact ignored utterly by the right-wing zealots.</p>
<p>As is the fact that Wilson was in favor of continued sanctions, and the military build-up to pressure Saddam to allow the IAEA inspectors BACK IN…to verify compliance. When he found that the WH was misusing information that he knew was erroneous (as he had spoken with the US Ambassador and Gen. Fulford about their conclusions, as well as his own investigation) he was concerned…and when the IAEA pronounced the Niger-Iraq “contracts” shabby forgeries…he spoke out.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814755&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pseudonymous in nc @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;WTF? French contacts? He’s oh-so-French? Is he insinuating that Joe Wilson was working for the French government? Or is he just distracted from whittling?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These relate to the fact that a French cartel ran the Uranium mines in Niger. Valerie Wilson was merely pointing out that Joe could use these contacts to find out if any shenanigans were being talked about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW The US Ambassador to Niger and Four Star General (and head of US Command in Europe) Gen. Sheldon Fulford ALSO spoke with representatives of this French syndicate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently Rep. King thinks that anyone who talked to the French was a traitor! Maybe enjoying French Fries and French Kisses and French Letters….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW It was Joe Wilson whom discovered the UNSUCCESSFUL effort by IRANIANS to obtain yellowcake from Niger in 1999. He used the same method to discover THAT EFFORT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One would think that this would be a superb reason the CIA would call upon him again…especially since they didn’t even have their own agent in that country!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814755"><em>pseudonymous in nc @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>WTF? French contacts? He’s oh-so-French? Is he insinuating that Joe Wilson was working for the French government? Or is he just distracted from whittling?</p>
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<p>These relate to the fact that a French cartel ran the Uranium mines in Niger. Valerie Wilson was merely pointing out that Joe could use these contacts to find out if any shenanigans were being talked about.</p>
<p>BTW The US Ambassador to Niger and Four Star General (and head of US Command in Europe) Gen. Sheldon Fulford ALSO spoke with representatives of this French syndicate.</p>
<p>Apparently Rep. King thinks that anyone who talked to the French was a traitor! Maybe enjoying French Fries and French Kisses and French Letters….</p>
<p>BTW It was Joe Wilson whom discovered the UNSUCCESSFUL effort by IRANIANS to obtain yellowcake from Niger in 1999. He used the same method to discover THAT EFFORT.</p>
<p>One would think that this would be a superb reason the CIA would call upon him again…especially since they didn’t even have their own agent in that country!</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is Joe Wilson related to Pete Wilson, the loathsome ex-gov of California?&lt;br /&gt;
I wouldn’t be bragging about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Joe Wilson related to Pete Wilson, the loathsome ex-gov of California?<br />
I wouldn’t be bragging about it.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814740&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @ 100&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;#82 and preceding&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lungren was congresscritter between Hunter and Rohrabacher in the early 80s, when it was the 35th? district. Tells you what kind of politics he has.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dan Lungren is greasy snake oil.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that’s a slam against our repitiled friends, too. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Sacto Boy, Sick Of Lunny And Jimmy Doo Doo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814740"><em>P J Evans @ 100</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>#82 and preceding</p>
<p>Lungren was congresscritter between Hunter and Rohrabacher in the early 80s, when it was the 35th? district. Tells you what kind of politics he has.</p>
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<p>Dan Lungren is greasy snake oil.</p>
<p>And that’s a slam against our repitiled friends, too. </p>
<p>-Sacto Boy, Sick Of Lunny And Jimmy Doo Doo</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814725&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;randiego @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814718&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814717&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;randiego @ 81&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bilbray, Duncan Hunter. Worse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doolittle!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;him too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doolittle has NOT been proven to be a Saint Of The San Joaquin (any John Stewart fans?).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814725"><em>randiego @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-814718"><em>TeddySanFran @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-814717"><em>randiego @ 81</em></a> </p>
<p>Bilbray, Duncan Hunter. Worse.</p>
<p>Doolittle!!</p>
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<p>him too.</p>
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<p>Doolittle has NOT been proven to be a Saint Of The San Joaquin (any John Stewart fans?).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-814917&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anon @ 185&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We do read this blog.  Thanks for the feedback.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good. Can you guys get Conyers a case of Red Bull or something? He’s conducting these hearings like it’s a town council meeting on potholes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-814917"><em>Anon @ 185</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We do read this blog.  Thanks for the feedback.</p>
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<p>Good. Can you guys get Conyers a case of Red Bull or something? He’s conducting these hearings like it’s a town council meeting on potholes.</p>
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		<title>By: rhfactor</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;((( David Finley	 says:&lt;br /&gt;
July 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm&lt;br /&gt;
I just called Pelosi’s office and left a voice message for her, saying that Issa should be censured for his vile attack on Valerie Wilson. ))))&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I’l bet you got a nice little polite reply while your request evaporates in the ether. Pelosi is my congresswoman and I am completely ashamed of her — and disgusted by her, he arrogance and intransigence, and total failure to act.  I feel like the sane people who lived in Texas near Bush’s ranch who wanted nothing to do with being associated with him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Volumes of words have been spent on Pelosi and her off the table crap. Sorry, but if she and her fellow DLC centrists had TRACK RECORD of really smart strategic action plans, i would shut my mouth and wait. But they don’t. She mistakenly believes her “culture of corruption” chant resulted in the 06 electoral victories. She is grossly mistaken. She also has the extreme misfortune of believing that because some Dems were elected in Nov, that people were embracing the Democratic Party. That is fundamentally ignorant. People have been voting AGAINST Republicans, and finding very little choice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For someone who has matriculated thru the halls of Congress to ascend to that role of Speaker, she seems painfully clueless about how the country feels. She got booed in her home city of San Francisco when she was just here over the 4th.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I don’t know why or how anyone can have any faith whatsoever that she will do a darn thing to proactively “drain the swamp” (as she proclaimed she would do, and her website still says it)… He plan was quite clear when she spoke to Mike Stark…. Pixie dust of the 08 Presidential election will sweep away the bad and “return us to the rule of law”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of that is quaint and sweet — except her complete failure to USE the rule of law to ensure the rule of law shows her constitutional negligence — and her failure of leadership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone wake me up when you se Pelosi DO something other than make another eloquent speech — which I admit she does quite well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>((( David Finley	 says:<br />
July 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm<br />
I just called Pelosi’s office and left a voice message for her, saying that Issa should be censured for his vile attack on Valerie Wilson. ))))</p>
<p>And I’l bet you got a nice little polite reply while your request evaporates in the ether. Pelosi is my congresswoman and I am completely ashamed of her — and disgusted by her, he arrogance and intransigence, and total failure to act.  I feel like the sane people who lived in Texas near Bush’s ranch who wanted nothing to do with being associated with him.</p>
<p>Volumes of words have been spent on Pelosi and her off the table crap. Sorry, but if she and her fellow DLC centrists had TRACK RECORD of really smart strategic action plans, i would shut my mouth and wait. But they don’t. She mistakenly believes her “culture of corruption” chant resulted in the 06 electoral victories. She is grossly mistaken. She also has the extreme misfortune of believing that because some Dems were elected in Nov, that people were embracing the Democratic Party. That is fundamentally ignorant. People have been voting AGAINST Republicans, and finding very little choice.</p>
<p>For someone who has matriculated thru the halls of Congress to ascend to that role of Speaker, she seems painfully clueless about how the country feels. She got booed in her home city of San Francisco when she was just here over the 4th.</p>
<p>So, I don’t know why or how anyone can have any faith whatsoever that she will do a darn thing to proactively “drain the swamp” (as she proclaimed she would do, and her website still says it)… He plan was quite clear when she spoke to Mike Stark…. Pixie dust of the 08 Presidential election will sweep away the bad and “return us to the rule of law”.</p>
<p>All of that is quaint and sweet — except her complete failure to USE the rule of law to ensure the rule of law shows her constitutional negligence — and her failure of leadership.</p>
<p>Someone wake me up when you se Pelosi DO something other than make another eloquent speech — which I admit she does quite well.</p>
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