Sometimes when I’m in the car and a song that I absolutely hate comes on the radio, I’ll turn it up. Why? So I can hate it in detail. I get that same feeling reading Glenn Greenwald’s merciless take-down of President Bush and his coterie of sycophants and demagogues in Tragic Legacy, Greenwald’s latest book, which chronicles how an overly simplistic, black and white, Good vs. Evil mentality has destroyed the Bush Presidency and by extension, inflicted heavy damage on the Republican party, the United States, and the world.
Initially, I was a bit skeptical about diving headlong into another 300-page tome detailing the third act of the pitiful “Flowers for Algernon”-style psychodrama that’s currently playing out backstage in the Bush Administration. You and I already know that George W. Bush is a man of intractable stubbornness, hot and cold running religious fanaticism, and truly breathtaking ignorance, a combination that makes him singularly unsuited for his current employment status. Why get an upset stomach and a rage-induced headache learning about it in even greater detail?
And yet, I was dead wrong, and I knew it before the end of the first chapter. Tragic Legacy is, in fact, a highly entertaining read, if you, like me, enjoy the sensation of (in the words of Jane Austen) “reveling in angry pleasure” at seeing so insidious an enemy taken down point by point and left huddled in the smoking ruins of his own hubris by the end of the book.
An alternate title for Greenwald’s second book could be, How to Talk to a Rightard About President Bush (If You Must). The book is divided into three parts. Part One is a detailed study of President Bush’s jejune, Manichean view of the world, as expressed in his own speeches, writings, and in the voices of his peers.
It is not a kind portrait. To many of us, President Bush’s decisions over the last six years seem to emanate from no fixed set of values. We have wondered from time to time if he is losing his mind, hitting the bottle, or is merely adrift, making sweeping policy decisions on the spur of the moment, based on the sketchiest of details and an imperfect understanding of the issues at hand.
Greenwald provides us with an illuminating view of a President completely unencumbered by nuanced thought. His whole notion of history and America’s role in the world seems to have been cribbed entirely from 1950’s cowboy movies and “Sgt. Rock” comics. In George Bush’s world, his friends, admirers, and supporters are all on the side of “Good”, whereas anyone who disagrees or opposes him is on the side of “Evil”.
This binary view of the world permeates everything that the President says and does, and he is constantly surrounded by a troupe of Neoconservative toadies who know that they can convince him to sign on with even the most outrageous and ridiculous policy initiatives by presenting the issue to him drawn in huge bubble pictures that would be comprehensible to a child, and as long as they are sure to couch the question in terms of a struggle between Good and Evil.
Nowhere is the danger of this kind of reductive thinking more apparent than with regards to US policy toward Iran, which takes up the second, and longest, part of Tragic Legacy. In this section, Greenwald lays out in chilling detail how White House policy seems to be headed inexorably toward a war with Iran. No matter how foolhardy this course of action may be, the “Decider” has included the nation of Iran in his armies of “Evil” and seems bound and determined to strike at any time, regardless of the consequences. As has been documented by numerous sources, Bush has come unmoored from the considerations of the real world (i.e., public opinion, the Pentagon, and sticks-in-the-mud like the Iraq Study Group) and decided that only “History” can be the proper judge of his legacy.
An armed conflict with Iran is possibly the greatest danger we face from the Lame Duck Bush Presidency. As is illustrated in the book, as well as in today’s “We’re just starting the surge!” display of petulance, George Bush is at his most bellicose and defiant when his back is against the wall. No amount of empirical evidence will dissuade a man like President Bush who is completely convinced that he is on a personal “Mission from God”.
In reading the book over the weekend, I was lucky enough to have my reading punctuated by further updates about the defection of multiple members of the GOP away from Bush’s Iraq policy. Perhaps being disowned by his own party apparatchik will begin George Bush’s slow and painful re-integration into the real world. I don’t have quite enough faith in that prospect, however, to sit by and wait calmly until the end of his term and hope that somehow, everything is magically going to be alright.
It’s a shame that thus far not a single Dead Tree Media outfit has seen fit to review or feature Tragic Legacy. This book is an explicit elucidation of the madness driving this administration, and yet it never falls into the trap of being an extended rant. Greenwald calmly and methodically builds his case with exquisite care, proving that his writing on the printed page is every bit as pithy and trenchant as it is on the computer screen, then surprises you with dry, bitingly funny asides like this from p. 88:
Bush’s evangelical conversion seems beyond doubt, given the profound life changes it facilitated, most particularly the abrupt and total cessation of what was, by all accounts (including his own) a rather severe addiction to alcohol. But in another, equally significant sense, replacing an alcohol-fueled life of unbridled hedonism with a fervent evangelical certainty can be seen as a lateral, rather than a vertical, move.
Indeed. And heh.
If you don’t have a copy of Tragic Legacy yet, get one. If you have a copy and haven’t read it, what are you waiting for? It’s not like it’s some piece of Ann Coulter tripe to be purchased and displayed, unread, on a moron’s bookshelf. Greenwald has crafted for us and the world a moving, cathartic, and insightful book that hopefully will give the non-blogging public a new level of comprehension as to the dangers we face under an unbridled chief executive whose view of the world is not much more nuanced nor a great deal less fanatical than that of, say, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who also just so happens to believe that he’s on a personal “Mission from God”.
Ignore this book at your peril.
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Zed
zunoed?
hiya!
zed!
Ah, missed it by THAT much…
That damn shoe phone again.
TRex!
yippee! in the first 3 plus the little facebook thingie finally showed up.
quaintly out of the running.
boing – back double somersault tuck, over-rotated – large splash – oooooo
g’evening everyone, TRex, that post was worth waiting for :)
Howard Dean
Speaking of our Dear Leader …
Click here.
G’head.
I quadruple-dog dare ya.
Bring yer own brain bleach. Two gallon minimum.
six posts inside the first two minutes.
we try harder.
Moment of silence, please, for editorial cartoonist Doug Marlette, killed in an automobile accident earlier today.
cant afford the but look forward to the discussion
Greenwald is clear and articulate.
His recognition that there are two definitions of “conservative: (the Barry Goldwater limited government idealist type being one, and the followers of people who call themselves being conservatives being the other) was spot on.
His comparison of conservatives to communists(Karl Marx utopian idealists being one type, and collectivist despots being the other) was also spot on.
Enriching insights.
At a minimum, squelch lines for GOP boors at summer barbeques.
damn this one handed typing
burnspbesq @ 12
NO!
Go Glenn! Was very impressed with How Would a Patriot Act? Have Tragic Legacy on the way so can’t really discuss it yet.
I’d donate it to the public library when I’m finished…except our entire county library system closed in April. Biggest library closure in our nation’s history. Just another casualty of the Bush Regime and the Iraq War.
I hope egregious doesn’t take that personally…
Good evening dear friends.
I am only a chapter or so into the Greenwald book so far. Please don’t spoil the ending.
OK, now you inspire me to read. I have the book, just haven’t gotten to it yet.
burnspbesq @ 10
Demotivation for Gopers.
I think Bush and his enabler are somewhat schizophrenic in their views on Iran. Or at least the enablers seem to be.
This is a comment I posted on one of Christy’s threads earlier today but I think it has some pertinence for this one as well. Discussion was about neo-cons wanting to take Iran even more than Iraq:
The same Neo-con warhawks who then conspired with the Iranians holding our citizens as hostages until immediately after Carter left office so that the release would not happen on his watch.
The same Neo-con warhawks who then sold arms to the Iranians they profess to hate in order to raise laundered money to pay for arms for their puppet governments in Central and South America in direct violation of law.
They do and don’t want war with Iran. They mainly just want excuses to build Halliburton’s trade and keep oil markets in flux.
argosfalcon @ 15
got a bum hand?
Great post, TRex. But I don’t need to be urged to buy A Tragic Legacy. I got it last week (from Amazon, via the FDL connection)and can’t wait to start reading it. I enjoyed doing my little bit to help run it up on the New York Times bestseller list. I wonder how we could get TradMed to take notice?
Sorry, I don’t want to read any more about The Colossus of the CodPiece
I want to seek out the people, organizations and all other scum who would enable this asshole to take power and support his effort to convert our nation into a Corporate Slave State and then….
I want to destroy their ability to ever do this again. And guess what?
I am not alone.
Evening all.
Well things are beginning to look a bit grim here in the northern Rockies. High today was 90 and it is supposed to be in the high 90s for the next two days before hitting the 100s again over the weekend. Normal highs for this time of year are 82. All this heat, combined with low humidity, below normal rain for the last two months, and no rain in the forecast has raised the fire danger to high. This is quite early in the season for that. The heat is also adversely affecting the fishing as several rivers in the area have been closed to fishing between 2pm-midnight (when the water temperature gets above 70 trout start dying). This is the earliest ever that this has been done. Usually does not happen until mid-late August (if then). May put a real damper on my camping plans for the summer.
No global warming here. Nothing to see here, just keep moving everyone.
TRex!!! In classic style you boil it down to a succinct quip!
“How to Talk to a Rightard About President Bush (If You Must).” *g*
By the time you’ve had enough, it’s too late.
TRex, thanks for reinforcement. I bought it but have been half afraid to open it. Didn’t want to get more depressed than i already am about our Thief-N-Chief, but now I’m eager to start it. Then give it to my mom who is involved in local politics in Wisc. Maybe I should buy several more : )
darkblack @ 29
Oh that is SCARY!!!
burnspbesq @ 10
Make that a 3 gallon minimum.
Evening, gang.
Whew! Running around like a crazy man, tonight.
How is everyone?
TexB @ 19
Is there an end to this madness??? Evening, Ma’am, Suz, DrD, AK…!!! *g*
darkblack @ 29
The chunder from The Blunderer.
-GSD
MLW has this um heartwarming story of a mother tiger grieving for the loss of three newborn cubs. Cute overload alert.
Loo Hoo. @ 24
Well lets say I have a less than useful side, in some ways.
TRex @ 33
Good, thanks. You?
what kind of craziness is this?
It’s a given that Snowe will denounce the policy, so please give us till Sept to do that? And how many people need to die in the meantime? grrr ….
taking a break from gutting the bathroom, remind me to never try this again.
Had to put down the book, cuz my blood pressure was boiling i do believe.
OK, TRex, I’ll take “losing his mind” for $500.
CTuttle @ 34
CT, is there a madam on tonight? oh my, is she from dc?
I want to cry…
I’m also reading the “Rape of Europa” about the loss of all the art in Europe.
Chris
Am I in the lake? (New address!}.
-MS
Finishing up a first listen to the new Crowded House album.
Yes, it is wonderful.
The next few weeks will tell if GOOPERS are leaving Bush. Lets see the votes. My bet is they are doing a “Specter”, big talk and then vote with Bush. I hope I am wrong. If that’s the way it goes maybe the phenomenon should be called Ex-Specter-ation.
darkblack @ 29
Damn You, DarkBlack! Once again, I had to look!!! :P
burnspbesq @ 38
I am doing well. My son is back in town and will be back in my house tomorrow, where he will eat the summer’s worth of food in the 4 days he is here. :)
burnspbesq @ 10
Brain bleach! Whatever for? I thought it flattered them immensely.
bg @ 41
His mind checked out long ago.
burnspbesq @ 45
It’s on my list. Paste Mag. had a review of it in the latest issue, and they said “hey now, hey now, don’t dream, it’s awesome”
Anybody else have trouble getting in here tonight? Took me forty minutes to finally get this page to load up. Eh, I would have spent half the night, if necessary, gritting my teeth and swearing at the stupid toobz! TRex, you and the gang here at late nite are more than worth the effort.
Please note that Customer Reviews are now up for Glenn Greenwald’s A Tragic Legacy. Write one, or review those already written.
Excellent writeup, TRex; I too dreaded reading another compendium of Junja’s Greatest Hits, but Glenn’s book is fabulous. Best of all (for the rightards) he uses right-wing spokesbots very effectively.
Thanks for highlighting it for your Niters crowd.
CTuttle @ 47
With DarkBlack, you always know you will look and you always know you will regret it. I just grit my teeth and keep the industrial sized jug of brain bleach to hand. 8~p
How many here would vote for Dean if he were on the ballot?
Steve-AR @ 46
I agree. I’ll believe it when I see it. Stories like this: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TE=DEFAULT
MS in Park Slope @ 44
Thanks for the reminder. I haven’t played the Park Slope station in years (The F Line). I should check that out again one day. Very fond memories. In the cooler weather I love Grand Army Plaza on the red line though. Lived on 13th st after High School.
rwcole @ 55
Me!
rwcole @ 55
Who else is on the ballot?
Who are the front runners?
LoudounLib @ 51
I’m impatient. Downloaded from iTunes Music Store at 12:15 this morning. Couldn’t stay awake long enough to listen then.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 50
NO you cant tempt me to listen but the price would be high. Or how well can you bake (not wanting to be beaten by husband or boyfriend).
texb
Oh all the current candidates- and Gore.
Suzanne @ 42
Que?
TexB @ 59
How’s he doing in the polls?
How’s his fundraising?
What do the consultants say?
rwcole @ 55
I’d vote for Dean.
It was such a shame what happened to him last time. A bad mike. Stupid sound system added to to his zeal. I didn’t think it was that much of a rant. But, that’s just me. I tend to get more emotional sometimes than others like.
Re-elect Al Gore.
OT – So what’s with CNN? I haven’t been there lately but they don’t seem to post transcripts on their web site anymore, hmmmmm…
Anyway, Lieberman was shown on the Senate floor saying we are “making progress against the enemy in Iraq.”
Michael Ware then commented that Lieberman is living in a fantasy world, and, ah, there isn’t just one “enemy” there (as he laughed and shook his head) at Lieberman.
I’m not excited about any of the current crop including Gore- DEAN- on the other hand- appeals to me..
rwcole @ 62
Gore!!!
rwcole @ 55
primary or general election?
I’ll vote for whatever dem is the actual candidate in the general election, so if it was dean, I’d vote for him. Vote for him in the primary? Not so sure … but not sure who I’ll end up voting for — not happy about any of them.
lee5 @ 70
And I am happy about many of them.
I’d vote for Dean.
lee- primary
triciawrites @ 40
triciawrites, this is your reminder calling. Do not ever gut the bathroom again. Its rude and gets you talked about, particularly the screaming.
And if anyone asks why i haven’t posted to my blog here are the reasons:
1) The medical bureaucracy.
2) The story keeps changing by the hour. I have written the dayam thing three times only have a new datum arrive that scraps my previous line of reasoning. I sweartaghod, figuring out the sovs was MUCH easier….
3) The medical bureaucracy.
4) Turning my house into a hospital ward, on the government’s dime (the only good part)
5) The medical bureaucracy.
Other than that, the play was fine.
Back in a bit, y’all. Have to pick up Man-Cub from some activity or other, and then hit the market.
DrDick at 27:
When I traveled for my job in the late 90s I was fortunate enough to travel to western Montana. If ever there was a beautiful part of this dear country, that little slice may just be some of the loveliest.
The people I spoke with talked about the recent fire damage that had occurred just a few years earlier and the landscape was just beginning to recover (actually I was very impressed at how Mother Earth recycles herself).
Anyway, I’m hoping that this isn’t the beginning of a very hot and firey summer for you, but like you said it is only July.
flash of sliver in the sky, gone
triciawrites @ 66
Yes!
TRex @ 72
OK y’all. I get to do something new and exciting. After using my non-blog last week for posting links that Alfred said, I finally stumbled on a story today that I decided to actually blog.
(Confession, I told it as a comment on FDL an no one said a word, so I decided to look for a different audience.)
Anyway, I present to you (imagine drum roll here) …… the BetsyBlog
I just want a president who is not a crook. Of course, that does eliminate the entire republican party.
hmmm … texb — glad you are happy about the candidates. I haven’t managed to get excited about any of them, but would be willing to vote for any …
rwcole, in primary w/ dean vs. gore, I’d vote for gore. in primary w/ dean vs. current declared crop, I’d vote for dean.
again, in the general election, whoever is running against the repub ticket (and certainly not for the mccain/lieberman 3rd party ticket …)
TexB @ 80
and it comes heartily reccommended by Al the Spook. TexB is gonna kick Rethug butt and take names, just you watch!
dakine01 @ 23
Yes, you did, and yes it does. As the comment was addressed at on of my replies, allow me to footnote it.
‘Right. The same Neo-con warhawks who were incensed at the attack on our embassy in Iran after Carter, in a humanitarian gesture, allowed the deposed Shah to enter the US for medical treatment. The Shah whom they supported in his dictatorship.’
Predecessors of the neoconservatives destabilized the Mossadegh government in the 1950’s in order to install Reza Pahlavi on the Peacock throne…He was seen as being more ‘cooperative’ in maintaining the desired regional hegemony.
‘The same Neo-con warhawks who then conspired with the Iranians holding our citizens as hostages until immediately after Carter left office so that the release would not happen on his watch.’
More to the point, so it would be seen that Reagan was someone that the Ayatollahs and their fellow cultural revolutionaries were afraid of – That he had power where Carter was impotent. This was done for future considerations, which leads to…
‘The same Neo-con warhawks who then sold arms to the Iranians they profess to hate in order to raise laundered money to pay for arms for their puppet governments in Central and South America in direct violation of law.’
Those warhawks were equipping both sides in the protracted Iran-Iraq war…To them, why not profit from the mutual misery of undesirables, while creating ‘black’ financing for a pet war that the legislative branch had inconveniently outlawed?
‘They do and don’t want war with Iran. They mainly just want excuses to build Halliburton’s trade and keep oil markets in flux.’
They are terrified of the potential for Iran to declare an oil bourse, with its concommitant American currency devaluation in the petroleum marketplace…And crude oil can be extracted from under glass (say, the sort of glass created when a nuclear device is detonated in desert conditions) just as it can be extracted from beneath the whispering sands.
All that being said, I’m in general agreement with your premises but I differ with my perception of the underlying motivations.
Hawks in a panic
http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=11264
argosfalcon @ 13
Make sure to ask your public library if it’s on their purchase list and, if not, why not!
No turning back now, Tex. You are a blogger now :)
Must be some sweaty sleeping going on at the Vitter house these days.
Poor Dave needs a kevlar jockstrap just to get a good nights sleep.
-GSD
First Glenn makes me a Salon Subscriber, now I buy his book. Maybe I should just start a moonbat welfare fund…
Yay Betsy! I saw the post about your blog tonight on FB. Excellent job!
Suzanne @ 81
“Generalization” I respect Lincoln Chaffee
TexB @ 80
The situation there is really grim and seems to be going backwards. I had an Afghan student this last year and she was a true delight. She was so eager to learn, a hard worker, and always so happy. I used to wonder what it would be like for her when she went back. Every time I see stories like this it tears my heart out.
althespook @ 74
Yippee! The Spook is in da house! We missed you.
The Euro has hit 1.37 on the greenback.
Custerfucking America into the next depression.
-GSD
am going to bed-gnite pups…….
but have wondered for months now, anybody read bible code 1 and bible code 2???????
read them a few years ago……….
passed around by bible thumpers as bible speak for bush’s right to the presidency……and the apocalypse…….cuz that’s what it’s about……and bush is a main player…….
a mathemetician figured out codes to the bible, entered names, bush, bin laden, etc., were among them….is an omen….divinity, omnipresent. etc….they were in there….that’s what people think………got it from a baptist/former methodist friend, she believes it, and so does all of her new congregation……….
read it, it’s freaky………..bible code 1 and bible code 2…..worth your money , really……..
and yes, i continue to take on all things on the dark side……….
nite, and suz, you can always do a better dive, don’t let this one get you downi………not all are perfect, but at least you do them………..
Kathleen @ 91
Kathleen, so glad you showed up tonight. I has posted a question to you downthread and have been waiting for a response.
And for the record, Kathleen, I am a lifelong Republican – and I say they are crooks.
The NL drought continues!!! Yee-Haw!!! 5-4 victory for the AL! Boston will host the World Series!!! *g*
Trex , thanks once again:
well, i am holding myself back now.
it is a pleasurable self-restraint.
i have Tragic Legacy
and you have excellently whetted my appetite.
however, i read slowly and i must finish Anatomy of Deceit first.
Then i must get caught up at The Next Hurrah.
i’m two days behind and Emptywheel has been rolling.
all the while i know i have glenn greenwald waiting.
the pleasure is in the anticipation.
i am in your debt.
CTuttle @ 1
Nice Zed, Dood !!!
Evenin’ all !!!
GSD @ 88
His wife was just mugging for the teevee. she’ll emasculate him in divorce court, which is more sanitary (and takes longer, for those into prolonged (legal) torture of miscreants…)
burnspbesq @ 75
Oooh, if there’s Man-Cubs available, can I order one for me and one for TRex?
Hey Petro. Good to see you!
Olbermann is truth-squadding Bush!
hey Petro :-)
CTuttle @ 97
Here, here! Hoping that the Sawx can keep up their 10 game lead.
No more “Bucky ‘Freaking’ Dents”!
NoahC @ 89
Advertise Liberally…!!! *g*
No cubs for me. I only like the fully grown Men.
Heading home!
No one could have anticipated that James O’Beirne and Liz Cheney would have hired political hacks to run Iraqi reconstruction. No one could have anticipated that leaving weapons depots unguarded would provide munitions for insurgents. No one could have anticipated that 150,000 troops would not be enough to subjugate a nation, murder its people, and steal its resources.
lee5 @ 39
Atikar @ 105
I was in love with Bucky Dent as a teenager. Another lifetime.
Well, darn! I would have to get busy at work and miss the thread where everyone was singing my praises!
At least I can read it now and get a swelled head retroactively… *g*
Petrocelli @ 99
Oh shit…quick, hide the donuts
;>)
TeddySanFran @ 101
Slow down there, tiger. This one’s a tad under age. 8u-)
hey Redshift, you done good ;-)
Petrocelli @ 99
Aloha, Petro! Boston will host the WS! AL won the All-Star Game! Ichiro was MVP with the first in-the-park-homer in All-Star history!!!
darkblack @ 111
What the … there’s donuts ?!! *g*
Shrub’s called an all-hands emergency meeting on an allegedly imminent AQ attack, citing urgent new info (aka Chertoff’s “gut”, announced today, that AQ favors attacks during the summer months)…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..2MzZcE1vAI
what on earth do they do at these meetings? Laugh at us? stick pins into their “Madame Speaker” voodoo doll collection? throw spit wads at each other? wear top hats and smoke cigars?
DrDick @ 112
Fair warning, TSF. You don’t want to be mistaken for a Republican.
TexB at 109:
1) Loved your post (blog) and thank you for all that you’re doing to show the world that the US is not all comprised of “dubyas”.
2) Sorry to hear that you had a crush on Bucky…it worked the other way around for me. I was absolutely Crushed by Bucky!
Why all the terror stuff? We going to see a new name or two on the madam’s list?
damn – i need to clean my kitchen – must return cuz firepups are hitting tonight!! and even earlier – WHAT!!
CTuttle @ 114
Wow, that inside- the- Park- homerun musta been excitin’ … that guy can fly !!!
TexB @ 119
“Progress” report on Iraq is due to Congress at midmonth. They’re desperate for a distraction.
Redshift @ 110
It was your Party! And ya didn’t even show up! :P
dmac @95
the bible codes appear to be based on a differing form of mysticism sometimes called Kaballah. The wiki link is here. Fascinating stuff, just never could get into it, myself.
BTW, a professor friend is experimenting with a wiki-course in junior college. he created a wiki on a specific topic, and then the job of the students is to go out, get external references, fact check, argue among themselves, and reach a consensus. He deliberately salted the wiki with factual errors, bad citations, trolling, etc. so the kids could learn how to deal with that. their grades were based on various factors, mainly just working on the wiki, but if the class created a wiki that an outside professor of that subject rated as “essentially accurate” everyone got a one grade bump. They did it. he wants to set up a whole curriculum based on wiki techniques, he’s a regular on the wikki blogs i think. get a grip, spook!
Redshift @ 110
Ya done us proud. Don’t worry, the swelling will subside quickly.
Howard Dean is a man of his word. He won’t run for President.
But he never said he wouldn’t run for VICE President. When he saw my Gore/Dean 08 T Shirt he said he REALLY LIKED it.
Imagine, y’all, having Howard Dean in the White House for 16 years. Sure would beat the fact that we had Poppy Bush for 12.
Gore/Dean 08
Anything less is an object lesson in mediocrity.
Petrocelli @ 115
(brushes crumbs away) No no no…Only ‘freedom toast‘ with maple syrup…Snowbacks like their maple syrup, yes?
;>)
rwcole @ 55
so long as he’s a Democrat.
which would seem likely.
same for Gore
or Edwards …
or Richardson
or Clark ….
but
i’ll only go so far:
“I have my Principles!
And IF YOU DON’T LIKE ‘EM
… i got others.”
Olberman (on Countdown re-broadcast, East coast) is totally ripping on the “gut feeling” of Chertoff.
How long do I get to live in a country run by fear mongers?…oh, yeah…stupid answers to stupid questions…about 560 days left.
TexB @ 119
I think it’s just a scare tactic to counter the fact that the “progress report” on the surge will show absolutely no progress. When people start questioning Bush’s policies, it’s time to threaten your children.
althespook @ 125
Uh-Oh, AK! Double Post!!!
TexB @ 119
i think you’re onto their scheme
TexB @ 80
How great! Promise to read every day.
CTuttle @131
I apologized, dammit! it’s the new TMP format, my browser seems allergic…
Redshift @ 110
Nice writeup dude; are you a neighbor? I’m curious to know how politico.com found you and wrote you up.
RBG @ 126
Ditto.
I have this nifty hatpin my mother, a Great Southern Lady, gave me for such occasions. I’m just saying :) Congrats Redshift.
Twain @ 134
Does that mean I have to write every day?
althespook @ 136
I hear ya! Did you access Ms. Palfrey’s list? Inquiring minds would like to know!!!
Redshift @ 135
When Boosh first came into power (let us dispense with the fiction of his being “elected”) one of the grand old men of texas was asked why so many democrats in texas were supporting him. His answer: “You have to support people who will kill you and maim your children if you don’t.” and he wasn’t speaking metaphorically, although it seemed so at the time. This was in either Wapo or NYT, in mid 2001 before 9/11.
TexB @ 139
YES!
(don’t do like i do, do like i SAY do…)
(sneaks behind hypocrite bush)
Blub @ 116
jeez, Chertoff gets a bad burrito from the roach coach, and the entire government goes into overdrive. Anybody else think they might want to lay cover onto another Palfrey name?
TexB @ 139
Definitely …..
Enough donuts for everyone.
DrDick @ 112
man-cub has an entirely different meaning in my culture.
Al, try closing your browser and rebooting it. that tends to work when i double post in firefox. if it doesn’t, then a system reboot fixes it.
TexB @ 102
Hiya Betsy, LL … how’re you doin’ ?
Johnathan Turley on Countdown just compared “Fredo” Gonzales to Chauncey Gardner.
Classic!
LoudounLib @ 113
Yeah, not bad, considering that I was planning just to call him up and say I wouldn’t be able to do the interview until later because I was about to get on a plane, and then I had to do the whole thing on the spot because my plane was delayed. (Though I did get to hunt up the sample comments and stuff offline later.)
The print version actually has my picture in it! I didn’t know that when I got it; now I’ll have to get some more copies for the family. (You can pick it up for free from boxes at Metro stations.)
TexB @ 145
What, no crullers?
althespook @ 141
Q: How do you know when Bush is telling the truth?
A: He acts like he’s making a joke.
Atikar @ 151
Nope.
Teddy, I think they are laying cover – what does man-cub mean in your culture?
althespook @ 140
Hey AK … how’s Dad feeling?
darkblack @ 127
hey, is that new??
CTuttle @ 140
I did but it’s all reverse phone number lookup and that get’s tiresome. plus i have no way to determine whether the current owner was the owner then. and the listings don’t usually give rank, ceo status, etc. didn’t find any really good names in the few i checked. there is a database out there now, scanned in from the images. search for it on google and you should find it. When i finish eating i’ll post the link if no one finds it.
And I agree, the sudden terrorist alert is very well timed. Fortunately, al queda seems to have an exquisite sense of political timing. perhaps that’s why Boosh hasn’t been eager to eliminate them (snark)
TexB @ 145
sorry, but no thanks, ma’am.
i got to drive.
TexB @ 143
Thanks Betsy … you’re priceless … too bad those Vancouverites aren’t as sharing !!! *g
I feel that my question is probably filled with innocence or simplicity. I gonna ask anyway.
How come a person who is clearly crazy and dangerous and who has absolutely caused the deaths of so many people still the president of this country?
I know we have all been holding our heads in our hands for years now trying to maintain a sense of personal sanity. But when the hell are responsible people going to do the responsible thing?
I am years beyond being flabbergasted. I made the trip through fear, depression and anxiety. Being continually stunned for 6.5 years is starting to fell normal. This country is suffering from post, present and future traumatic stress.
TeddySanFran @ 146
Ah. Wasn’t aware of that. I just assumed it referred to a youngish (but legal) and desirable man. Lived 12 years near Boy’s Town in Chicago and knew lots of gays. Not so many here, though we were just voted one of the most GLBT friendly cities in America. 8-)
Redshift @ 148
I was pleased to read it, simply because I’d forgotten your real name and was embarassed to see you at YK2.
Redshift @ 110
Congrats! No, i’m gonna get a swelled head because i hang out on a thread with celebrities ;-)
Bad cop – no donut
(bumper sticker i had on my personal vehicle until someone stole my sticker)
Redshift, sadly the Metro hasn’t made its way out here to the wilds of Loudoun Co. yet, but I could make a special trip to West Falls Church and scope it out — thanks!
rwcole @ 55
Hand up. He was great at the Democracyfest in San Diego. I’d want to hear debates and all, but I was very impressed, rw.
Mary McCurnin @ 158
Hear Hear !!!
I do believe that as America awakes and discovers what BushCo has done, there will be impeachments and imprisonments galore …
… getting the Popcorn ready …
Suzanne @ 152
Cubs are young, but not underage, not-quite bears.
TeddySanFran @ 156
Sorry, I had to check the date…No, it isn’t.
;>)
Petrocelli @ 167
ya’ll are singing my song.
only better lyrics.
Suzanne @ 162
Was your car still attached to it ?!! *g*
Petrocelli @ 159
Selfish, spoiled lotus-livered louts, the lot.
;>)
Tubby Cubbies
Mary McCurnin @ 170
LOL !!!
thanks teddy :)
petrocelli, no just the sticker was stolen
Evening All :)
Hmmm, this is interesting.
Turkey Delays Cross-border Operation to Post-Elections Period
Wednesday , 11 July 2007
The military intervention that Turkey has been considering staging in northern Iraq to root out members of the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) based there seems to have been postponed to a time after the elections, with Prime Minister Recep Tayip Erdoğan stating “the possibility of getting parliamentary approval for an operation is not on our agenda right now.”
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=46737#
Suzanne,
Quick question: When did the Lake start putting up links to facebook pages in the comments section?
btw-I think it’s great!
TexB @ 145
whaddaya say we go do a drive-by on Amanda at pandagon?
Loo Hoo. @ 164
I would like a Gore/Dean ticket, although I think Dean would be more useful
piloting the 50- State drive that gives Gore/Edwards an overwhelming number of seats in both houses.
… and yeah, I’ll bet anything that Gore runs … I’ll eat a steak if he doesn’t …
TeddySanFran @ 138
I met the Ryan Grim at Murray and Jeff’s book party in Georgetown. He mentioned he was interested in interviewing FDL bloggers for the column (actually, I think he said he’d been trying to, but considering that there’s a press secretary listed in the “Contact Us” page, I don’t know exactly what he’d been trying.) I made clear that I was a regular commenter, not a front-pager, and he still thought that would be interesting.
Considering the Politico’s reputation, I was wary, but he pointed me to some past columns which seemed pretty good and fair, so I decided to go for it.
alfred—-
‘I’ know that the bible code books ARE BUNK…….but many many fundies have read them and believe bush is ‘written’ to do what he does because of them…in the bible, it is written, so sayeth the bible code books….only wanted people to know this……
is good to read what the dark side is telling to the folks……and bible code 1 and 2 are what they are basing their blind beliefs on…..when it comes to bush…….
everyone is always asking why they so blindly believe, well, bible code 1 and 2 are passed out amongst the churches, and people believe it……..is old news, passed out long ago……..
just wondered why noone mentioned it before…….is a foregone fact amongst fundies……….that’s why they support him, it’s in the bible according to the books…….
you all should read them, is interesting…….
gnite…….
Atikar, yesterday – anyone have the link handy to the thread and the directions?
jackie @ 175
That is actually one of the most encouraging things I have heard come out of Iraq in a while. The threat of Turkey invading Kurdistan has been giving me the willies for quite a while. As AK says, “Don’t fuck with the Turks!”
Redshift @ 110
Hey, congratulations on your frontpage material, Redshift! You do us all proud.
CTuttle @ 97
Umm, you mean Detroit will host the Series, don’t you?
I am hoping that Jeff Gannon had a drag queen side and used to work for the DC Madame. :p
Mary McCurnin @ 158
I suspect that historians two centuries from now will be asking themselves these same questions. Assuming the transfer of power to the democrats is smooth, and they manage to heal enough of the damage to allow our society to continue as it has done, then i think the consensus is that boosh and company are the evil crop sprung from the willingness of politicians to do almost anything to get elected.
There are many reasons why Boosh hasn’t been removed from office, i’m TRYING to write up a blog post about them and hopefully will do so tomorrow. the bottom line is:
We are all of us hostages to the madman boosh and the not-mad-very-evil Cheney.
Let us assume tomorrow that some scandal breaks that forces every single rethug pol in congress to demand boosh and cheney’s resignations. they would refuse, we all know that. so we have the impeachment (which they try to drag out as long as possible but assume for the moment it is frogmarched quickly, say one week) and the trial in the senate (two weeks just because most senators are elderly old flatulations and move slow). At the end of this, boosh and cheney are impeached and convicted. they are informed of this and everyone waits expectantly for them to leave office.
….crickets…..
After all they’ve done, after everything that’s happened, how could any sane person expect this? the scenario i see is quite neat. Boosh and cheney explain (with the same crowd that did the amicus brief for scoots) that the impeachment was flawed and illegal, the convictions were flawed and illegal and so they appeal to the supreme court. the court takes the case certio rari (meaning it bypasses the lower courts). They hold expedited hearings (3 days). The msm frantically tells everyone its a democratic coup de tat. The court deliberates 4 days (this is a sirius mater!) and returns the verdict that, in fact, congress can go cheney itself.
Then where are we?
If anyone wants to point out flaws in my reasoning, go ahead. I can’t see any, except one.
The loss of the entire army in iraq and perhaps the carrier groups in the waters offshore. AND IT COULD HAPPEN.
Then even the supreme court could not save them. But that is just too high a price to pay.
Our democracy is deeply damaged and we are going to in all likelihood fight the rest of our lives to get it back. Again, somebody, anybody, prove me wrong.
But THIS is why Reid and Pelosi say impeachment is off the table, IMHO.
I was hoping Karl Rove was working for the DC Madam.
Congrats, Redshift! And thank you many many times over for introducing me to some fine people in Richmond.
Where can I sign into wordpress without going to comment 39 of the old thread?
jackie @ 174
THANK YOU! that just completed my circle on the iran war plans. i needed that before i could release it.
Suzanne @ 185
I imagine he just referred people.
Sixstringslingr @ 184
Actually, I am pretty sure that is Chicago that will be hosting the series (even if it is the Southsiders).
Suzanne @ 187
Vice versa would also serve our needs.
TeddySanFran @ 163
Don’t worry about it; I’m terrible with names and if yours wasn’t part of your handle, I’m sure I would have forgotten it, too. *g*
Toward the end of last year’s convention, I actually thought to make notes of a few people’s names and a little bit about them. Now if I can just remember where I wrote them…
EvilDrPuma @ 193
I’d bet more on Jeff Gannon for Karl.
TJ @ 189
On the far right, about even with comment 11 in this thread is a box called META. That is where you sign in and then a password will be mailed to you. you then add your facebook page url to the bottom of the profile page after signing in with the password.
“The loss of the entire army in iraq and perhaps the carrier groups in the waters offshore.”….althespook
I have had this fear from the beginning.
everyone is always asking why they so blindly believe, well, bible code 1 and 2 are passed out amongst the churches, and people believe it……..is old news, passed out long ago……..
dmac,
Which churches? There are a lot of them. What facts are you citing. I go to church and I’ve never been given either one.
Suzanne @ 186
Oh no you didn’t
;>)
demi @ 196
They also slipped a small packet of Koolaid into bible code 1.
darkblack @ 199
LOL
darkblack @ 199
snicker snicker snicker how ya doing db?
darkblack @ 199
707!
Have to say, am not much impressed with those Repubs who timidly start ‘distancing’ themselves from BushCo on Iraq. They could have used their judgement years earlier, and now that the public tide is turning, they just want to save themselves.
Also, I still feel all Dems plus MSM are still conspicuously silent on the oil situation, and I feel that this is why they do not act decisively in this congress. I feel that they are afraid about losing US hegemony, and it paralyzes them, and that’s why don’t stand up. Divided on their insides. Just my opinion, critics welcome.
jackie @ 174
I’m half convinced that the “Turkish invasion threat” is mostly of shrubco’s manufacture… one more bogeyman to hold over our heads… if you don’t support our policies, the turks are going to come in and really mess things up. My general sense is that there is very little Ankara does which is not coordinated with the Pentagon.
CTuttle @ 97
Won’t matter. Two more world championships will be won at Shea before they tear down the old ballyard. The Curse of the Bambino may have been lifted, but Bill Buckner is still around.
Mary McCurnin @ 196
it gets worse. if that happens, expect the first use of nuclear weapons since ww ii. chimpy and darth won’t need to push the button, the surviving generals would do it. Baghdad, basra, all gone. and of course tehran. I rewrote from memory on one of my pc’s the old fortran simulator we used (it’s declassified now, so it wasn’t illegal) and have been running the current situation through it on an almost daily basis. it has given me some sh*t i just do not believe. but that was one of them. And then israel will let fly on damascus and possibly mecca and medina. after that, who knows. except that we won’t be using oil any more. know anyone with a solar power system and a pluggable hybrid vehicle?
That is why we HAVE to step so quietly around these f*ckt*rds. They have the whole dayam world hostage…
Sixstringslingr @ 182
Ha! You wish!!! :P
Petrocelli @ 177
What will you eat if he does?
mulligatawny @ 202
They have no judgement. That is why they are republicans.
Lady Russell had only to listen composedly, and wish them happy, but internally her heart revelled in angry pleasure, in pleased contempt, that the man who at twenty–three had seemed to understand somewhat of the value of an Anne Elliot, should, eight years afterwards, be charmed by a Louisa Musgrove.
Tut.
Loo Hoo. @ 207
We have a lot of crows in our area. Will that help?
OT (but what the heck) — what’s with the new FDL Groups group at Facebook? Can any of us join or do we need to be invited?
TeddySanFran @ 101
TeddySanFran @ 101
You can try, but I think the server’s going to decline your credit card.
Suzanne @ 201
Still above ground, S…How’s the heat?
althespook @ 188
I don’t think so. There is no right to appeal of an impeachment; it’s not a criminal trial and does not require conviction under any statute. The Constitution makes absolutely clear that if the House impeaches and the Senate convicts, an officer of government is impeached and removed from office, and a Federalist Society mafia declaring that it’s not so will have no more effect than Bush sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “nah nah nah, I can’t hear you” (or any more than it had in the Scooter Libby case.) Plus, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the presidential impeachment trial; he can hardly wait until afterwards to declare that it wasn’t a “real” impeachment.
Supposedly Nixon talked to aides about bringing in the Marines to defend him if Congress tried to oust him, to the point where his defense secretary, I believe, told the Marine Commander that any such orders from the President were to be checked with him first. (Back in the days when there were still Republicans who put the good of the country above the good of the party…)
I’d be more concerned about that scenario, but I don’t think Bush commands that much personal loyalty from the military after the way he’s screwed them over.
Loo Hoo. @ 208
… a steak !!! *g*
at least I’m consistent …
CTuttle @ 207
Weekend series sweep ring a bell??
darkblack @ 198
Now, darkblack…
Suzanne @ 195
So that’s where the mysterious META is. Thanks, Suzanne.
Redshift @216 says:
(Back in the days when there were still Republicans who put the good of the country above the good of the party…)
…wow, now there’s a concept! ;-)
burnspbesq @ 204
Buckner Schmuckner, this century is the Bosox’s, the Evil Empire had the last, now its Boston’s turn!!! It’s been 7 years since they last won, I hope it’s 70 more!!! The Mets can win a few for New York!!!
CTuttle @ 207
Oh Boy … Baseball War’s astartin’ up …
Loo Hoo. @ 207
Crow!!!
darkblack @ 214
finally cooled off but more is on the way. heard it was hot in the PNW so it should be hot here by the weekend
i didn’t know about this terrorist attack … a quote: “There is no plaque at the site of the biggest terrorist attack on US soil prior to September 11, 2001. Rudi Giuliani and Joe Lieberman now lead the lynch mob. The persecuted have become persecutors.” at effect measure.
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Money and Politics Reporter John Solomon at 11 eastern (he wrote yesterday’s article about Abu’s FBI fibs to SJC)
Reliable Source writers Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts at Noon eastern (got any Vitter questions??)
AND: White House Watch Dan Froomkin a 1 eastern
Petrocelli @ 223
Go, last place Nats!!
(cough)
Loo Hoo. @ 218
Honest, I didn’t know that film was in the camera
;>)
Say Bush/Cheney are impeached and convicted. They refuse to leave. Does the DC USA that arrest them? If not, who gets to kick them the hell out of Dodge?
TeddySanFran @ 226
Teddy, are you kidding? The Reliable Source gals? IMO they’re kind of reaching, these days…unless of course they do come up with something good on Vitter…
Petrocelli @ 216
Thought you might add some lobster for good measure!
LoudounLib @ 226
They should have stayed in Montreal!!!
CTuttle @ 223
Why would I eat Crow … I want him to run …
Suzanne @ 181
from Gnome de Plume
and
from CTuttle we visit Kobe’s good link.
and i think we are supposed to be able to figure out the box on the right side of the FDL page labeled “Meta” which asks us “register”.
(also we understand that one Must choose a “network” at your facebook profile as well as paste in your facebook profile’s URL,
for the facebook doohicky to show up by your name.)
good luck and ask lots of questions.
Petrocelli @ 222
LOL! Funny thing is, I swore off of baseball this year due to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named (steroid-usin’ #@$#@!) and the damn Tigers are threatening to pull me back in.
Whatta ya gonna do?
CT, here in DC we’ll take any baseball we can get! ;-)
How’s about what Michael Moore has done over at CNN? Those folks are shaking. It looks really good to me. Like they’ve been smacked, and it knocked some sense into them… This is looking good!
TJ @ 189
look for the “Meta” box on the right side of this page.
maybe.
I am not in a network and had no problems. that apparently is only an intermittent facebook thing because it took me and other non-networked folk :)
Loo Hoo. @ 231
Sure, I’ll add Lobster … if I’m gonna have a non- vegetarian meal, I should go all the way … *g*
Sixstringslingr @ 235
I keep hoping He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named will come up with a hammy or something…and soon…
Petrocelli @ 232
Alright, let me at least de-feather it before I have to eat it!!! *g*
Mary McCurnin @ 229
Nancy.
Loo Hoo. @ 242
Yea. They are probably afraid of women anyway.
yellowdog jim @ 234
I found I managed to skip the network! Too bad we don’t have an FDL network.
Loo Hoo. @ 237
Michael Moore was brilliant … even his departing comment today … Wolf told him during the break that he loved Sicko … *g*
Blitzen (paging darkblack …) looked like a Deer caught in the Headlights !
LooHoo and Mary Mc, I believe the Sgt at Arms in the Senate would issue the order to the US Marshals Office. Of course, I could be totally wrong – from memory
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 225
I had heard about that incident in the course of research on ethnic terrorism. However, I think that this was actually the largest terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11/2001. Completely homegrown, rightwing terrorists, btw.
Keep thinking happy thoughts for tomorrow’s hearings. I’m outta here!
LoudounLib @ 241
A hammy would only keep him out for 2-3 weeks. What you want is a torn ACL.
I’ve been a huge fan of Greenwald, since I discovered him about a year ago. Can’t wait to read the book.
TRex you wrote:
“Greenwald provides us with an illuminating view of a President completely unencumbered by nuanced thought. His moral code seems to have been cribbed from 1950’s war movies and “Sgt. Rock” comics. In George Bush’s world, his friends, admirers, and supporters are all on the side of “Good”, whereas anyone who disagrees or opposes him is on the side of “Evil”.”
And Rove (on the domestic side) and Cheney (on the Int’l and Nat’l Security side) have taken full advantage of it, although, to be fair, Cheney’s only a few rungs up the can-handle-complexity intelligence ladder.
Also, TRex, don’t foget to add the powerful selfish egotistic short term monetary profit (OIL) motive in with the mix as another powerful motive of Bush and the cabal.
TRex, you also wrote:
“It’s not like it’s some piece of Ann Coulter tripe to be purchased and displayed, unread, on a bookshelf.”
Would anyone who frequents this site (except trolls) buy one of those risible objects for any other purpose than target practice or toilet paper lol?
Yes Bush’s level is mythic-rational black vs. white – a lot of myth, only a basic level of rationality (that is to say, not a whole lot) mixed in (or rather. ,more correctly, grown into….)
Suzanne @ 247
I didn’t mean Nancy would do it personally, just that she would be in charge. .*.*.* sigh.*.*.*
burns, yes….you are brilliant.
good night TJ
Night TJ.
No bum knee references please *full disclosure – my total knee replacement sets off metal detectors*
Sixstringslingr @ 235
We’ve had this discussion before and will probably have it many times afterward … until MLB takes a concrete stand on Steroid use, no one player should be singled out.
If Barry Bonds’ record is nullified, so should McGuire’s record and all the other players’ stats – Palmeiro, Giambi, etc.
burns, I hope for worse than that…does that make me a bad person??
Suzanne @ 256
Oh. That must be a laugh riot in airports.
redshift @215
Even recently i would have agreed with you, hell I did agree in several postings. but as i write my blog and get into the “enemy mindset” (my technique from work) i suddenly have an epiphany about how these guys work.
If you ever did any RPG in your youth, you might have run into a type of gamer called a “slimer”. they were rules lawyers to the nth degree. there was no winning with them, the only recourse was to expell them from the group(s).
Boosh and company are slimers of the constitution. Now, let’s look at your points and i’ll show you how they’ll slime it in this scenario:
a)There is no right of appeal from an impeachment. once convicted, officers are removed.
SLIME: We are in time of war, and some constitutional checks and balances don’t apply anymore. The courts are the check and balance to the executive branch in time of war.
SHORTER SLIME: impeach/convict president/vp in time of war is tantamount to treason.
b)The FS mafia didn’t prevent libby from getting convicted and put in jail.
SLIME: Commutation. Cheney You.
SHORTER SLIME: We make the rules and unless you want to use force, what we say goes.
c) Roberts would preside over the trials in the senate, so he couldn’t then switch hats and judge the process illegal.
SLIME: Stare Decisus, anyone?
SHORTER SLIME: I’m Chief Justice. There is no appeal from me. What I say goes DOUBLE.
This is not government. this is psychological warfare being waged on a hostage population via controlled media and carefully planted fellow travellers in many high places. Those eight years of Ray-gun and four of Boosh-The-Elder were not wasted.
And behind all this, the continual drumbeat of the news media. DEMOCRATIC COUP DE TAT! DEMOCRATS DESTROYING THE CONSTITUION! etc etc.
I’m not even bothering to throw in a convenient war with iran or a false flag terrorist incident. don’t need em, save for later.
And what is the most scary is that we have seen this all before, in ancient Rome. Sulla of Rome.
ouch Suz, sorry :-~
“Stay tunned to CNN for the latest information on your security”
One hand washes the other and around we go…
Redshift @ 215
Hi all,
This is the same Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who as a mere lawyer was in Florida in 2000 helping Bush correct the “erroneous” exit polls. I’m not comforted by hearing he presides.
Petrocelli @ 257
Agreed, Petro…especially Palmeiro!
LoudounLib @ 260
Such a bummer, and from work, too. Does the doc give you something you need to show airport security, Suz?
Petro, I completely agree. I think the single season HR record should be reset to 61, no asterisk needed.
yellowdog jim @ 234
I haven’t chosen a network and I get the facebook f.
…it is kind of cool to see all of the Facebook icons here in the comments :-)
TJ @ 246
We don need no stinking network.
well, alas, a Firedogs’ facebook net.
I see most of the cool people have bluebox F after their names. Guess I’ll eat worms.
DrDick @ 248
yes, i fear the homegrown terrorists. There are Posse Comitatus (sp?) types in Wisc where i grew up that i find outright scarey.
aw c’mon Loo Hoo, get yerself a Facebook icon ;-)
I find a quick lift of the pantleg and showing of the 8 surgical scars on the knee along with the statement “total knee replacement” works.
of course, i haven’t flown in years but i do know for a fact it sets off the small hand held wands used at concerts, etc.
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Worms are good! ; )
evenin’ all
Petrocelli @ 256
I’m with ya on that Petro! Bonds has faced Pitchers that are doped up! I could agree to an Asterisk, yet, the record should definitely stand! Hall of Fame voters could scrutinize it, but, shouldn’t get the Rose treatment, of which I also disagree with!!!
I know nothing of facebook. Can someone please explain to me the advantages of having a little “f” next to your name, and of being involved in any way with facebook? I’m not arguing against it, I’m just curious.
hey jayt
Loo Hoo. @ 270
gummy worms?
Facebook lets us all network outside of FDL. We can even see each other’s photos sometimes.
Hi JayT
neurophius @ 277
There’s no real advantage to having the icon here, but personally I enjoy belonging to the FDL Facebook community. Lots of info sharing going on all the time, and some fun and snark too :-)
Sixstringslingr @ 266
What I find ludicrous is, MLB had to have seen Bonds’ physical growth, yet did nothing about it all these years … same for McGuire !
Who’s brave enough to talk about Rocket Roger Clemens ?
MLB Commissioner has to shoulder responsibility for the lack of oversight … why does every topic on incompetence lead back to BushCo ?!! *g*
neurophius @ 25
Review it for Amazon, hometown papers, etc et al, rant and rave and make it the bestselling and hottest political book of the summer. TradeMed will notice.
((((((((((GLENN GREENWALD))))))))))
Hi jayt. Any recruiter news?
Oops! I forgot to login before. Now I should have the little facebook f and I’m not in a network.
greenwarrior @ 267
You rock.
(apparently i was spreading out-of-date information about a facebook glitch from last night)
How are you doing?
busy?
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Loo Hoo: I’m cool, and I don’t have a facebook icon.
Mary McCurnin @ 280
So can all facebook users see your communications in facebook, or only the fdl facebookers? And how do you keep trolls from becoming fdl facebookers?
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Dish up a second plate for me, Loo Hoo. My work ISP blocks both youtube and facebook, among many others. It’s a miracle I can usually get through to the Lake at all.
I am so not cool, even though I have a FB icon ;-)
Loo Hoo. @ 285
Hi jayt. Any recruiter news?
ugh. Supposedly the recruiter pressured his recruit into signing some affidavits and Nick’s apt. will be raided tomorrow at 6:00 A.M.
Other than that – I’m great – how’s everybody else? Ugh.
Seriously, you ‘f’ people are scaring me. I’ve been around here since the ‘Haloscan’ days (November, 2005) and less than 1M ‘visitors’ then!?
Tithonia @ 288
I am cooler.
Cozumel, don’t fear us…Jane said Facebook is ok! ;-)
Just the bastards already.
neurophius @ 289
I only accept friends whose names/FDL names I recognize. Wall posts are public, messages are private.
Just impeach the bastards already even.
and I can’t get the darn “f” thingie… got a profile, photo and everything – but the “f” thing – NOOOOO
neurophius @ 277
As I understand it, the plan is to use facebook as a platform to implement what was planned for the Roots Project without having to reinvent a lot of infrastructure, because Facebook is open and allows applications to be written that will add to it.
Until that’s built, it’s a social-networking adjunct, allowing firepups to reveal information about themselves such as location so we can more easily connect and organize other activities either online or offline.
Shadowstalker, I work around the AOL (if that is the ISP you are referring to) prohibitions by using AOL to sign in and then boot up my firefox browser. Problem solved.
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Hey Loo Hoo, scroll up to Suzanne @ 195 and follow those instructions … it’s really easy …
Thanks Suz !
jayt, you need to log in here at FDL — scroll up, near comment #6 at META, click login and follow the instructions
yellowdog jim @ 287
I’m packed and ready to take off for Rancho Cordova/Sacramento tomorrow early a.m. I clearly should be sleeping, but it’s anticipatory withdrawal from the Lake keeping me here. I haven’t traveled since I found the Lake. No laptop and will be busy anyway with classes. No FDL for 2 1/2 weeks. Maybe I’ll find a way. See you and all the pups when I return. Maybe I’ll stay up a little longer.
shall I change my screen name to panaisef?
neurophius @ 289
people invite each other to be friends – if someone you consider a troll asks you to be a friend, you can refuse. Until friendship is ok’d they can’t see your profile (unless you specify that it can be seen by everyone). I’ve found it to be a lot of fun.
and if anyone here is on FB and is not already my friend, please feel free to click on my “cool” FB icon and add me ;-)
Petro, I believe they let McGuire and Sosa (and others) slide because they needed the good PR to counteract the lingering effects of ‘94. Once they did that, well, they were kinda stuck.
The lockout and horrific competitive imbalance were turning me off to the old game before the widespread drug use; though I have to admit, seeing the Sox n Sox break loooong losing streaks was cool.
After you get the password sent to you in email, then you have to come back to the lake, log in using that password.
it will bring up a “profile” at the bottom of which is a place for you to cut and paste the URL for your facebook profile page into.
then reboot your browser and it should work.
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Loo Hoo, do you have a facebook page now? if so, just do the following steps:
a)scroll up top and click META.
b)enter your fdl name and email. add your facebook page url to the appropriate box. submit the form, get the return email with the temp password, and log it. Poof! You are now a cool kid. YOU CAN DO THIS!
jayt @ 299
hit the META button up top. fill in your fdl name and your email. put the url of your facebook page in that field. submit and get temp pw. log in and poof. f.
neurophius @ 289
Only the people you accept as “friends” on facebook can see your full profile. If you choose, you can make a more limited profile visible to others and non-facebook users.
trying again
Hopped up pitchers- doped up hitters
May the best drugs WIN!!
punaise @ 313
Perfect!
Well, I am nodding off here, so I think I will hit the sack. Take care of yourselves and enjoy the snark.
neurophius @ 277
1) everybody’s doing it. (i kid, but only a little.)
2) you can see people’s pictures.
3) If you can decode our posting names from our face book name, but this only requires you to click on their little facebook thingy by their name.
4) don’t do it: you could see pictures of me.
5) that’s all the warning you’ll get.
6) i quit myspace in revulsion.
this was pretty benign and the Firepups are neat people.
punaise @ 314
punaise has an fie
greenwarrior @ 304
Better be careful. I hear Rancho Cordova is really scary.
Tithonia @ 288
So Teddy and darkblack. I have a facebook page, but I don’t understand this…
Suzanne @ 301
Wish it were that easy. It’s the workplace that is the ISP, and has all sorts of nasty blocking software up to keep us from looking at dirty pictures or playing games. They’re always tweaking with the blocking software, and most nights I can get into FDL, though sometimes I can’t even check the weather. Facebook and youtube are nearly always blocked out. By the time I get home to my own ISP, all you good folks will be fast asleep.
sleep well DrD
Sleep well Dr Dick.
“Jake- did ya know that the fastball that ya through past Barry was 101 mph?”
“Yeah? Far fuckin out man”
re the “cool f” … my kids would die laughing at the idea of the old geekette being cool. My youngest was reduced to tears of laughter when she heard i had signed up. I will have to tell her i’m cool. It always warms my heart to hear her laugh so hard.
sorry, shadowstalker – the nerve of those bosses trying to keep you (gasp) working during late nite :)
marymccurnin @ 319
I’ll call you when I land. Are you up for an early morning or lunchtime hike?
greenwarrior @ 304
try to get some rest.
Sixstringslingr @ 308
When the BoSox won, I thought, hmmm, wouldn’t it be nice if the WhiteSox could break their dry spell, and they did … two wonderful moments for Baseball.
The ‘McGuire/Sosa homerun derby’ was a freak show … the endless saluting … I gagged and turned off the set.
McGuire running into the stands to hug Maris’s children was so contrived … WWF seemed more real …
jayt @ 292
ugh. Supposedly the recruiter pressured his recruit into signing some affidavits and Nick’s apt. will be raided tomorrow at 6:00 A.M.
Other than that – I’m great – how’s everybody else? Ugh.
Well then I have to assume that Nick’s apartment is prepared for this.
a little birdie tells me there is an uno to be had
New thread up top.
GW we will miss you.
Suzanne @ 326
Too true! Now if I just had any work to do. I’m just killin’ time until time to go home.
tbsa @ 298
Yeah, what’s the hang-up. Don’t have the votes? Oh well, try again next week. Get these people in Congress who support this regime on record. What’s the difficulty with that? Afraid someone won’t vote for them because they were patriotic? Help me out here someone.
MS in Park Slope @ 44
Hey! My son lives in Park Slope and as he would say, it’s emmis.
(Yiddish for “truth”)
Loo Hoo. @ 330
Oh yeah – he’s thinking about baking them a cake.
Redshift @ 300
Makes sense, but how come there’s no blue F after your name, what with you being our hero and all?
greenwarrior @ 327
Early morning. Might be raining. Strange weather for here.
Petrocelli @ 302
I’m scared, Petro.
LooHoo,
Its only a F thingie. Not like its a Y thingie.
greenwarrior @ 304
greenwarrior, find an internet cafe.
punaise @ 305
Better than F punaise, I suppose!
Mary’s Internet Cafe and Salad Bar
TexB @ 80
Good for you, Betsy.
I read that same story and just wept.
marymccurnin @ 344
Wow! I’ve heard of that place. I had no idea I might one day be there. You just made my day with that one. I may be able to wean myself off the Lake and go to sleep after all.
And lady, you rawk! I’ve been really enjoying your comments here at the Lake.
Tithonia @ 287
Ah, c’mon and join us lemmings!!! *g*
Thank you greenone.
I am off to bed. I am being interviewed at the cali capital tomorrow. laadeedaa
Nite Mary;)
Sixstringslingr @ 258
Far be it from me to make those judgments. I personally don’t wish to see anyone sustain a career-threatening injury. What I would rather see is for every pitcher in the National League to nut up and make a concerted effort to move him off the plate. If you catch my drift …
TexB, you seem to have a library of food pictures right at your fingertips…are you a chef? it all just makes me incredibly hungry.
So, you’all think Chertoff’s big announcement today of a terrorist attack this summer (terrorists seem to strike more in the hot weather, he says) is a red herring of some sort maybe to camoflage the DC Madam Monkey Business or some other republican evil ?
sleep well mary.
sleep well mary.
spiderpaws @ 351
Not a chef, just good at using Yahoo photos and Yahoo search.
althespook @ 155
I thnk that there has to be a better strategy. Maybe search for government telephone prefixes (I know, this would be really Stoopid, but who knows)…or focus in on the Area Codes of campaign offices back a few years ago. Or the district Area Codes of certain officials when they are calling those Wash DC or Virginia numbers making dates?
The last approach would be to look at the numbers of those in the elite sections of Washington or Virginia…
If you look past the covers, there was often a lot more complexity to Sgt Rock comics than you might think. The message of the story, more often than not, was about the tragic effects of war on the people who live in the midst of it – it was certainly more nuanced in its presentation of the costs of war than Bush ever is.
Loo Hoo. @ 343
LOL