There’s a passage from the “Reaping the Whirlwind” chapter of Little Dorrit by Charles Dickens where a massive British company has done a full Enron-style implosion with thousands of people financially ruined and the head of the company committing suicide Roman-style in the bath.
Here is Dickens’ description of the aftermath:
The Inquest was over, the letter was public, the Bank was broken, the other model structures of straw had taken fire and were turned to smoke. The admired piratical ship had blown up, in the midst of a vast fleet of ships of all rates, and boats of all sizes; and on the deep was nothing but ruin; nothing but burning hulls, bursting magazines, great guns self-exploded tearing friends and neighbours to pieces, drowning men clinging to unseaworthy spars and going down every minute, spent swimmers, floating dead, and sharks.
And at night, the bears come.
Does this remind you of a certain group of 2008 hopefuls we know?
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zed
TRex!!
TRex!
fritz
zed
YES YES YES
GOT THE ZED
(straightens clothes, walks away pretending nothing happened)
aw, AK, you’re too fast for me ;-)
we all tried really hard.
bless us.
LoudounLib @ 7
Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm any day.
althespook @ 6
That’s all right ’cause nothing did. :)
althespook @ 9
heh! But I just turned 47…
was getting worried about you, TRex. Last I heard, you were driving home…
yellowdog jim @ 8
my facebook icon vanished and i know why!
downstairs has been told, TRex.
althespook @ 9
You got the little F. Now you need to ACT like the cool kids!
greenwarrior @ 10
(hangs head in shame) Too bad I didn’t see you were the one to get the zed, before I swooped. Apologies and congratulations. How’s your Dad doing?
LoudounLib @ 11
youngster. Back when *I* was 47, we wrote it XLVII.
LoudounLib @ 11
youngster.
i remember being 47.
TexB @ 15
Owwwww! Okay, okay, mommy! I’ll be good now. :)
althespook @ 17
well, you got me there! ;-)
So I hear, heh…
I’m thinking I’ve got an “f” for today.
Boy, that Charles Dickens had a way with a metaphor, didn’t he?
jayt! you rawk!
Ha!
greenwarrior @ 16
well, his toe is essentially healed. he has no MRSA in his system, and his pain *was* essentially gone. Today, while I was out getting his bedside table and my daughter was on the phone, he managed to climb over the side of his hospital bed and try to turn on the television. In the process he essentially dislocated his right pinkie toe. He goes to the podiatrist tomorrow. Other than that, the play was fine.
The good news is that the bs/bc people ARE going to cover all his copays and stuff at the hospital. there was a grumble from their bean counter about some arcane provision of his federal insurance, but the hospital gave me the straight skinny and I shoved it up said bean counters *ahem*. God’s chillun win an inning.
And I’m having the Zed bronzed. neener.
TRex @ 23
Yeah, but we’ve got Eminem !!! *g*
But how much of Rudy’s problems received MSM attention? Or are the Dems just waiting to bring it up till the general election? After the 2004 election it came to me. Bush’s lasting legacy to the Republicans will not be very good. It’s not just because of the war. When Bush kept Cheney on for this term, he assured the Republicans they’d have no annointed candidate. Especially since the base hates McCain. They don’t know what to do with themselves. The “line of succession” has usually been pretty orderly. Not anymore. They really are lost in the wilderness so to speak.
Man, I haven’t hung out here in the comments in awhile, how did you all get the cute little facebook links next to your names?
’scuse me whilst I strut around a bit and savor my technological genius.
TRex @ 23
yes, he did.
why say ye?
TRex @ 23
Yes he did, TRex. As do you :)
Good evening everyone!
jayt @ 32
ok genius, go ahead and add me as a friend — just sent you a request ;-)
You guys may notice that I have yet to figure out how to get a blue F of my own.
hey Mitch
For the F thingie, there are good directions from several folk immediately downstairs at the bottom of that thread.
Headline from the Indianapolis Star: “Congressman calls for slow Iraq pull out”.
Um, eww!!
Just heard David Gergen say something about McCain’s campaign that sure sounded like “death spiral” and Candy agrees McCain is outta dough.
Hey all you intrepid firepups!
it has been great fun swimming in the Lake the last few days – hurrah for temp assignment on 1st shift which lasts at least thru this week. When I work 2nd i wander in after the nightowls have gone to bed and before the early birds arrive. But, first shift reality is that i better go to bed now, so nighty-night pups.
Just a drive by to say hello and then good bye. I had to find my daughter in facebook and ask her to be my friend. She got all pissy that I had facebook friends and she did not know about it and we were even in the same network. (I sent her the link to the Firepup picnic.) Ha! Mother gnomes can still get their kid’s goats. Or is that trolls who get goats. I’m confused.
TRex @ 35
But you are a therapod. You ARE the cool kid.
My apologies if this has been mentioned before, but there’s a very neat interview with Jane at Mother Jones magazine right now…
And I’m having the Zed bronzed. neener.
707! Maybe you’ll get a collection.
Glad to hear your Dad’s basically improving.
When I put a hospital bed in my Dad’s house for him, in spite of heavy morphine and having a catheter attached to the side of the bed, he got out and was almost to the bedroom door when I heard him screaming. I won’t forget the sight of that, if you can imagine.
TRex, YGM
Gnome de Plume @ 41
Very funny.
CD,
I don’t remember seeing it mentioned yet, so thank you!!
now my facebook ‘f’ is baaaaacccckkk.
g’night newdeal, and hey npb!
newspaperbrat @ 39
mccain threw his top three people out of his office today screaming at them. apparently they weren’t willing to work for him 23.5 hours a day, 8 days a week, for the next 18 months, for free. How disloyal!
The GOOD news is that he’s hiring staff people from those friendly folk he met in the Baghdad market a while back. they work really cheap, and they have their own security forces with them…
hi all
been in a historical flash back of late.
yellowdog jim @ 48
hey, I also sent you a friend request a little while back ;-)
greenwarrior @ 44
greenwarrior, you just grossed me out for the first time in a LONG time. Thank The Great GooglyMoogly there was no catheter involved (shudder)
a flashback clear to watergate, argo
Sixstringslingr @ 38
Let me guess … he’s a Repug ?
TexB @ 46
sweet
LoudounLib @ 35
okay LL, I accepted, now do I send you something? (about that technological genius thing – I lied)
Did it work?
newspaperbrat @ 39
Hey NPB … how’s it goin’, eh?
hitting the wall here, gotta go — good night all!
LoudounLib @ 52
i’m a-going to go to look for that now.
thanks for the tip, Friend.
gnome de plume @41
Trolls get flamed or ignored. Goats are a valuable IT resource. They must never be wasted on Trolls. Sacrifice them on the altar provided with all major data centers when nothing else works. You can tell how big a data center is by the size of its goat pen.
jayt @ 57
jayt, we’re good – just saw you added, thanks!
Good night LL.
althespook @ 50
heh heh
night ll!
I will be away from the ‘pewter till late Friday, so carry on without me. My nephews arrive July 29th and return August 14. I think the week of August 6th is the one we should shoot for to get all the boys together, but I need to check on the activities my parents have planned for them.
good night everyone! *poof*
LoudounLib @ 60
G’nite LL !
okay, now i am going to sleep. night all and see you in two and a half weeks except for the possible occasional guest appearance while i’m traveling.
TRex @ 58
Yes it did, you’re well and truly effed now!
worked TRex – you gotta effy
TRex, your f thingy worked, but it showed a picture of a human, not a 60′ therapod.
persiflage @ 71
such language!
althespook @ 6
Kick a rock!
Gnome de Plume @ 73
he’s in disguise. don’t give him away, steven spielberg’s been chasing him since forever, something about a “jurassic park theme park”…
Suzanne @ 54
and more so to speak, but beyond our time those that spoil for a fight, we must stand against them, but I hope cooler heads may prevail. After seeing so much for so long, I do wish for my 30’s and to misspend the late 80’s and early 90’s again.
(waving g’nite to all the pups headed off to bed)
Suzanne @ 78
night
argosfalcon @ 77
“I long for my misspent youth, so I can misspend it again!”
TRex @ 58
Yep! You’ve joined us Lemmings off that cliff!!! Dang, I step away to make my Beer-Batter Mahi-Mahi filets, and poof everyone’s gone and 70 comments into the thread!
Yay, I did it!
!!WARNING!! !!!THE FOLLOWING STORY IS TERRIBLY APT BUT NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH!!!
Here is my brother’s metaphor for Iraq.
A couple of years ago a friend of his went to see his folks at Christmas time. He ran into his old girlfriend (who was married). They decided to go out for Mexican food together and, well, tequila led to one thing and then another and then they were making out in the cab of her husband’s truck. Then having sex. Then having booty sex.
Well, all that Mexican food started kind of churning around and our unfortunate protagonist’s lady friend realized that disaster was imminent.
“Don’t pull out!” she said through clenched teeth.
“What?” he replied, pulling out.
A sewery tide of, well, you know, spewed into his lap, causing him to vomit down the lady’s back. She, in turn, vomited into the dashboard.
Iraq in a nutshell.
“Don’t pull out!”
Petrocelli @ 56
Nahh, he’s a Blue Dog Dem. Although he does own a…..rubber stamp company! Not making that up.
*poof* and I am gone, too.
althespook @ 76
I thought it was for his upcoming Indiana Jones movie … Raiders of The Lost Snark … *g*
Sorry, should have identified him..Joe Donnelly, IN-2.
althespook @ 80
If only it were possible, but that note against me has been redeemed, and I was shocking enough once I do not think I could be quite so shocking again.
Gnome de Plume @ 84
Nite, Ma’am!
yellowdog jim @ 61
all well now,
see you at facebook, LoudonLib.
Gnome de Plume @ 67
cool!
Dr Hillhouse has a new post up about the reaction to her WaPoo OpEd Sunday.
A flash of silver in the sky, break left
Petrocelli @ 85
Speaking of Indiana Jones! Lucas and Spielberg just arrived yesterday here on the Big Isle! They’re filming the newest Indiana Jones film Here!!! How cool is that!!! *g*
ok ok where’s my blue “f”?
Hm, this work?
juslin @ 94
Close the browser and then come back.
This is a “f” test.
you beat me to it tex…
mitch, your f’d :)
So “f”ing kewl!
Petrocelli @ 85
BTW, petrocelli, your last message to me on facebook worked. the one where you were worried about my health. don’t know how you knew, but it worked. i’m much much better now (and might not be if you’d not sent that note.) thanks many times over.
tefting, tefting…
Hey Suzanne, I have a big thanx for you.
BigMitch @ 97
That took me to my FB home
Not on topic either: we former Enroners are always highly amused at becoming a metaphor. The next edition of Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds should mention us.
And if you haven’t read EPDATMOC, do so. It’s a history of great financial bubbles and other mass delusional behavior. Written in 1851, and still in print. The author is pretty breezy and readable today, a surprisingly modern feel to the prose.
TexB @ 103
same here.
I mentioned to you that I had a job interview, and you said you would cross your fingers for me.
It worked. I feel like I knocked it out of the park.
(Though as fans of the All-Star game know, that isn’t necessary to hit a home run.)
I found last night that if the person is in the process of being “friended” by facebook, a click on their f will take one to the home page
newtonusr @ 101
It worked!!!
Most excellent news, Mitch. Congrats!
i swear i’m going to solve this PC stuff if it takes me for everrrrrr – i cant be this effing stoopid – or am i….? hehehehehe
And Mitch, it was the combo of crossing my fingers and toes :) works on others – eh, not so well on self-wishes
juslin @ 110
You may need to ask those teenagers who live in your house!
Craig Shergold @ 104
And the author is………..?
You need a mutual finger/toes crossing compact partner to cross fingers and toes for you.
CTuttle @ 108
Dude! thanks. I’ve been working on a project a lot lately, and haven’t been in Late Nite while conscious…
You might think this is cool…
http://technorati.com/videos/y…..8lhDVPSWqM
Facebook kept taking me to the home page last night when i was trying to see Mitch’s page. I finally figured out that was because there was friendship confirmations needed – duh! After I cleared out the waiting confirmations, I was able to see Mitch’s FB.
BUSH ADMIN SUPPRESSED PUBLIC REPORTS FOR POLITICS
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..ref=slogin
juslin @ 110
from an it veteran (who still has the scar from the floppy disk of death):
1) get FB page. (look in last two threads below for details)
2) click on META link at top of this page.
3) enter your fdl name and email. submit and wait for emailed password.
4) take emailed password and log in.
5) put in url of your facebook page in the facebook data entry field. (be sure to get the page url and not the login url)
6) submit profile changes and close and reopen browser.
7) thou art now “f”ed. go and “f” no more!
Hey, is anybody here going to be traveling in Europe or Asia? You guys remember my awesome new cell phone that cost way too much and took forever to get here and was soooo beautiful and was going to make me eternally happy forever and ever?
I dropped it last night and cracked the screen.
You can buy a new faceplate, just not in the US market. If you’re going to the UK, Europe or Japan or Hong Kong, I can send you some money through PayPal. Someone? Anyone?
Bueller?
newtonusr @ 115
All I got was a ‘Sorry’!!! :-(
my kid is here and i still didnt get my f…..
TexB, in any other time or place this would be a scandal. Instead it is S.O.P. Business as usual.
althespook @ 100
Its kind of a gift I have, which I use judiciously. I’ll explain it to you more via facebook, if you’d like …
TRex @ 119
T, ya dropped it??? So soon???
TRex @ 119
Nooooooooooo dayam dayam and double dayam, TRex. When is eg’s next trip? Or Marcy’s?
TRex @ 119
My son leaves for france 2 weeks from today. My sister lives there. Would that help?
It was charging and fell off the night stand.
Right on to the Mag Lite I keep next to the bed.
“Pok!” said the tiny screen.
“NOOOOOOOO!!” I cried…
…that’s why I keep buying Nokia, they never break or die even when you drop them into a watering can full of manure tea .
In a month I know of someone who is going through Hong Kong, lemme know if you can wait that long.
CTuttle @ 93
If they look stressed, tell them I’ll happily fly out to paradise to teach them meditation … after the last 3 Star Wars, methinks Lucas needs to tap his potential a great deal more …
TRex @ 127
Poor little therapod!
TRex, you showed considerable restraint if all you said was “NOOOOO!!”. I wudda been cursing up a blue streak.
CD @ 43
Thank you!
Hmmmmmmm.
I will keep you posted. That might be a good option.
I have my brother on the case, too.
Petro, check out comment 93!
Hey Spidey – hows the stars tonight?
Loo Hoo. @ 132
Double thanks.
spiderpaws @ 128
It IS a Nokia! I was so stunned!
Really, I was too gutted to curse. I went hot and cold all over just like I would if it was a hurt animal.
Oh, and hey, Spidey!
CD, I am sorry I missed your comment, LooHoo thanks for quoting it. Yummy – Jane on Mother Jones :)
I am going to get some sleep. May be back tomorrow.
newtonusr @ 115
Linky no worky …
A quick hi everyone. Just saw the link. Thanks, Suz!
CTuttle @ 120
Oops… My bad. Here.
CTuttle @ 135
Disregard, crossed in the toobz!!!
Heh! It is RAINING here, got the steps and pathways all wet and I tracked it into the house…
Petrocelli @ 123
my dad has something similar. by all means, but let’s wait until my life settles down a bit. watch your back.
Okay, back to politics. I have a question to throw out for discussion. Everyone knows that GWB is a religious man. My question, especially addressed to pups of faith, is this: Do you believe in the sincerity of King Codpiece’s religiosity?
am so shocked a Nokia would break! that is bad news…I have dropped mine from quite a height onto concrete and it still works.
TRex @ 119
I can see if I can do something here in Australia if that helps. Just let me know what it is and I’ll call around and see if they’re available here.
Petrocelli @ 140
Yep. Here…
spiderpaws @ 128
sp, i have a buyer for the agatha thing if you haven’t sold it already. will send email tomorrow if my head doesn’t explode first.
R J Hillhouse–The Spy Who Billed Me @ 141
Congrats, Ma’am! Please e-mail me!
R J Hillhouse–The Spy Who Billed Me @ 141
(waving) hey Dr Hillhouse – hope DC is treating ya good
BigMitch @ 146
Hell, no.
It’s far too politically convenient.
And look at the abominations he has wrought.
CTuttle @ 143
Thank heavens … I thought it was another reply to you had gotten eaten up by the Toobz !
I don’t believe in it either FWIW.
TRex @ 23
sorry, i finally got to finish the last thread and saw your pull out of iraq reference there.
too apt.
reminded me of Amanda’s post for some reason:
Details magazine hates men
especially the … illustration.
…no I have not sold it AK, still sitting next to my bed. Did you see the pictures of it?
Well, I can see that the time has come for me to either go and get one of those little blue “f” thingies, or go *poof*
Not comprehending how to do the former, I opt for the latter.
Good night, folks.
Ooooh! Thanks! It’s a black and bronze Nokia 7373, and I cracked the clear part of the face-plate.
g’nite neuro (and any other pups i missed)
Good night all
hmmm – lets see if my f came in
well I don’t have an “f” either and f-rankly don’t even want one..don’t feel like ya have to, neuro
It’s been very busy, but fun.
I’ve had enough MSM meetings here that it feels good to be back in the blogosphere.
CTuttle–email me at RJH At Thespywhobilledme.com.
Have a signing tomorrow at the Pentagon, so I’ve gotta get to bed. BTW, I’m on radio live from NYC late Thursday night–actually 1 a.m. Friday morning on the nationally syndicated Joey Reynolds Show. No idea where it leans politically. So tired I just go where my politically–was just booked late this afternoon.
I listen to Joey Reynolds
greenwarrior @ 70
Keep us posted!
He is a show business person, been in the business for EVER.
TRex @ 35
am i seeing a retroactive ‘f’?
Joey Reynolds is a total moron politically.
TRex @ 159
OK, I’ll make some calls and email you if I have any luck.
To borrow a word from the blog — jejune.
Re; Joey Reynolds
Hi Dr.!
If ever there was a time for some sunshine…
i’ll try again later today ;o)- now i’m just sad lol – night all zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
spiderpaws @ 163
Does that make you a F-irgin ?!! *g*
argosfalcon @ 87
Um, maybe this isn’t unusual, wishing to have smarts at a younger age. I remember, in fourth grade, sitting in the small town Lutheran choir thinking how cool it would be to be two years old. Running up the aisle, disrupting the service. Thinking about a nine year old asking why we would want Christian soldiers when we were taught that murder was against the commandments. It was all so confusing! I just remember wishing I could have asked the questions as more of an innocent.
TexB @ 161
Nite, TexB, Sleep well!!!
The Times Picayune takes up the Vitter story – turns out he likes hookers (gasp)
Sweet dreams Betsy!
newtonusr @ 172
She has certainly shone some within the dank and dark nooks and crannies!!!
TRex @ 119
I see persiflage is on the case and Mr P is very techie, but they live way out on the left coast and if you give the details I’ll look around the east. My future bros in law very up on these things.
persiflage @ 170
Update : The Nokia Australia / New Zealand web page says that 7373 is available in Australia. Now I’ll just make some calls to local retailers to see what I can do.
Just finished an 18-hour stint in my studio. Finished the second of three movements to an orchestral set I have to deliver next month. I’m very pleased with the piece. The weather is almost dismal here this week, so at least I’m not missing primo outside time.
Hey, Big Mitch, I’ve got to deliver the orchestral score of this to the conductor in Anchorage on Thursday afternoon. How about getting together for coffee?
pain free sleep wishes, tex
newtonusr @ 115
Sorry, didn’t work for me, newtonusr.
speaking of vitter, i see TSF got a shout out over at C&L today for his comment on last nite’s late nite thread.
Loo Hoo. @ 184
… use the link at newtonusr @ 149 …
Suzanne @ 111
Then we’ll just have to cross our fingers and toes for you, Suzanne. Best.
Suzanne, did you read the comment from solidjackson? Seems he likes Wendys too
Sounds like a GREAT plan, Rocketman.
Loo Hoo. @ 184
Sorry. Fixed here…
petedownunder @ 180
Hey there, back off buster! You’re already Trex’s official t-shirt provider!
Actually, good idea, two heads and all that stuff.
It’s been very quiet here tonight. I wonder if people are off PMing (private messaging) on facebook.
ET, I will talk to you tomorrow eve, and we will fill in the details of the plan. OK?
spiderpaws @ 187
where, spidey, i might have missed it going back and forth behind the backstage curtain
New speaking point, their six months are up, they say six months of surge, and surge is technically only 2 weeks old.
That means anyone who repeats “six more months” has to admit to seeing six hundred more fatalaties as an allowable number.
Well over a thousand killed or seriously wounded,combined.
Make those chickenhawks stand by those numbers. While defending illegal attorney intimidation, spying on Americans, losing war funds to corruption, under equipped troops, and seeing nukular Pakistan topple whilst Afghanistan breaks NATO’s back.
Oh, and some sleeparound GOP Senators and Bush’s upcoming month of vacation in August.
Did AK the spook go off to bed? Am curious about this buyer for the raggedy “Ten Little Indians”.
thanks, loohoo… my phone has not rang for a showing in more than a week now…
Loo Hoo. @ 188
True! However, now’s not the time for selling a house, considering the serious deflation in the housing bubble!!!
3 a.m. in Toronto … time to hit the hay …
G’nite all … have to play Tour Guide tomorrow … *g*
suzi…at the Times Pic that you linked, second commenter
CTuttle @ 198
unfortunately, ct, i have no choice in the matter. i have to sell and then move to a state with a lower cost of living than ca.
Worry not over there in the redwoods, you have Jupiter looking over your shoulder
Night, Petro….Night, all, I’m done in and gotta work tomorrow.
BigMitch @ 193
Yeah. I’ve got to show the flag at work, but I’ll be off schedule. Tai Wai Li, the ACO conductor might be with, if that’s OK? He’s pretty cool.
Petrocelli @ 199
Nite, Mi Amigo!!!
Mr.Murder @ 196
Your complaints about our President are so yesterday. Can’t we make this simple and stick to todays scandals?
1. New lies from Gonzo. Testified that there were no civil rights violations from Patriot Act, though he had received reports from FBI saying otherwise.
2. Former Surgeon Gen’l spills beans on Bushco.
And those are just the ones we know about. So far.
Suzanne @ 197
Yikes!
He’s going to take another August vacation. At a time of war. With most of America burning or droughted and a housing market in decline…
Ed*ard Teller @ 205
cool enuf for you is cool enough for me.
sorry, spidey, i just read the article and not the comments…. looking now
Suzanne @ 201
I hear ya, Suz, and I certainly feel for ya!!! *g*
The key item is to attach legislation to the war funding.
Voter machine law. Paper trail, verified, with receipt, and penalty tax/forfeiture for voting companies that produce provably wrong results.
Take your camera phones to vote with you.
We have the votes. We’ll create a Super Majority and vote in an etchical Executive, and address the criminals in robes that are the gang of five.
Petrocelli @ 199
Sleep well Petrocelli and enjoy your guest/s in that beautiful city!
I wonder if Mrs. Vetter knows about the Mr’s thing for Wendy’s spidey.
Thank you, Pete, persiflage! I appreciate it!
Good night to all.
ET -
How went the dentist visit?
Mr.Murder @ 208
He’s a lame duck, no, he’s a dead duck! Does it make any difference whether he’s in Crawford or DC???
BigMitch @ 216
Nite nite BigMitch!
Mrs Vetter is probably in for some serious shocks, the wife is usually last to know about the Wendy’s of this world. And how about the madam there in NO saying she wants Mrs Vetters to know he is a good man?! Someone ought to let her know this information may not be welcome at this time….
Mr.Murder @ 212
Fill-in the bubble paper ballots, read by optical scanners solves all problems!!!
The fact he’ll be vacationing beyond the means of most Americans might kind of highlight his living in a bubble even more.
He cannot claim to have the priorities he states with that lax an approach.
(waving to all the sleepy pups – g’nite)
spiderpaws @ 157
yes,that was what convinced the sweet old lady she wanted it. she’s a huge agatha collector, over 49 major and about 100 minor items, all in glass cases in her house. my wife and her were very best friends for many years.
let’s do the rest on email (i have yours) and arrange for payment and shipping. unfortunately all the chaos in my life means i can’t take the lamp, no longer have a place for it. :(
optiscanners are no more a guarantee
althespook @ 118
sounds easy enough. But when I google and log into facebook, it comes up with CTuttle instead of me.
Gawd, where have I gone wrong? (Love you CTuttle.)
We have the votes if they can be certified.
Voting scams got us to this point in recent history.
Take the power back, attach it to this. Blocking funding lets him play the blame game.
The price for defending democracy is to have votes count as they’re intended.
The GOP is a bigger threat to democracy than is anything at this time. Take the power back from the multinationals.
spiderpaws @ 220
Didn’t one of his Rethuglican brethern self rightously demand he leave the GOP and join the Dems?
Give ‘em Hell Harry! :~)
Mr.Murder @ 225
You have the paper ballot as back up! Here in Hawaii, that is the method used! Each precinct does a random sampling of the ballots to confirm the Scanner tallies!
Petrocelli @ 129
Lucas’ nephew was in my class when I taught 4th.
…imagine having a Madam tell you that your conservative husband, a spokesperson for traditional marriage, is a “good man” ?
You might wonder how she means that.
Just as y’all are heading towards Slumberland, I’m in the Far East and wide awake and willing to rant!
BooHoo!
But I’ll post a couple of comments and folks waking up early tomorrow might consider them for discussion.
First: IMPEACHMENT…what did the folks at the Constitutional Convention say about it!
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/debates/720.htm
“to be removeable on impeachment and conviction for malpractice or neglect of duty.” see Resol: 9. [FN8]
Mr. PINKNEY & Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to strike out this part of the Resolution. Mr. P. observd. he [the President] ought not to be impeachable whilst in office
Mr. DAVIE. If he be not impeachable whilst in office, he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected. He considered this as an essential security for the good behaviour of the Executive.
Mr. WILSON concurred in the necessity of making the Executive impeachable whilst in office.
Mr. Govr. MORRIS. He can do no criminal act without Coadjutors who may be punished. In case he should be re-elected, that will be [FN9] sufficient proof of his innocence. Besides who is to impeach? Is the impeachment to suspend his functions. If it is not the mischief will go on. If it is the impeachment will be nearly equivalent to a displacement, and will render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach
Col. MASON. No point is of more importance than that the right of impeachment should be continued. Shall any man be above Justice? Above all shall that man be above it, who can commit the most extensive injustice? When great crimes were committed he was for punishing the principal as well as the Coadjutors. There had been much debate & difficulty as to the mode of chusing the Executive. He approved of that which had been adopted at first, namely of referring the appointment to the Natl. Legislature. One objection agst. Electors was the danger of their being corrupted by the Candidates; & this furnished a peculiar reason in favor of impeachments whilst in office. Shall the man who has practised corruption & by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment, by repeating his guilt?
Docr. FRANKLIN was for retaining the clause as favorable to the Executive. History furnishes one example only of a first Magistrate being formally brought to public Justice. Every body cried out agst. this as unconstitutional. What was the practice before this in cases where the chief Magistrate rendered himself obnoxious? Why recourse was had to assassination in wch. he was not only deprived of his life but of the opportunity of vindicating his character. It wd.. be the best way therefore to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive where his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when [FN10] he should be unjustly accused.
Mr. Govr. MORRIS admits corruption & some few other offences to be such as ought to be impeachable; but thought the cases ought to be enumerated & defined:
Mr. MADISON thought it indispensable that some provision should be made for defending the Community agst. the incapacity, negligence or perfidy of the chief Magistrate. The limitation of the period of his service, was not a sufficient security. He might lose his capacity after his appointment. He might pervert his administration into a scheme of peculation or oppression. He might betray his trust to foreign powers. The case of the Executive Magistracy was very distinguishable, from that of the Legislature or of any other public body, holding offices of limited duration. It could not be presumed that all or even a majority of the members of an Assembly would either lose their capacity for discharging, or be bribed to betray, their trust. Besides the restraints of their personal integrity & honor, the difficulty of acting in concert for purposes of corruption was a security to the public. And if one or a few members only should be seduced, the soundness of the remaining members, would maintain the integrity and fidelity of the body. In the case of the Executive Magistracy which was to be administered by a single man, loss of capacity or corruption was more within the compass of probable events, and either of them might be fatal to the Republic.
Mr. PINKNEY did not see the necessity of impeachments. He was sure they ought not to issue from the Legislature who would in that case hold them as a rod over the Executive and by that means effectually destroy his independence. His revisionary power in particular would be rendered altogether insignificant.
Mr. GERRY urged the necessity of impeachments. A good magistrate will not fear them. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them. He hoped the maxim would never be adopted here that the chief magistrate could do no wrong.
Mr. KING…Like them particularly the Senate whose members would continue in appointmt the same term of 6 years he would periodically be tried for his behaviour by his electors, who would continue or discontinue him in trust according to the manner in which he had discharged it. Like them therefore, he ought to be subject to no intermediate trial, by impeachment. He ought not to be impeachable unless he held his office during good behaviour, a tenure which would be most agreeable to him; provided an independent and effectual forum could be devised. But under no circumstances ought he to be impeachable by the Legislature. This would be destructive of his independence and of the principles of the Constitution. He relied on the vigor of the Executive as a great security for the public liberties.
Mr. RANDOLPH. The propriety of impeachments was a favorite principle with him. Guilt wherever found ought to be punished. The Executive will have great opportunitys of abusing his power; particularly in time of war when the military force, and in some respects the public money will be in his hands. Should no regular punishment be provided, it will be irregularly inflicted by tumults & insurrections. He is aware of the necessity of proceeding with a cautious hand, and of excluding as much as possible the influence of the Legislature from the business. He suggested for consideration an idea which had fallen [from Col Hamilton] of composing a forum out of the Judges belonging to the States: and even of requiring some preliminary inquest whether just grounds [FN11] of impeachment existed…
Mr. WILSON observed that if the idea were to be pursued, the Senators who are to hold their places during the same term with the Executive, ought to be subject to impeachment & removal…
Mr. Govr. MORRIS’S opinion had been changed by the arguments used in the discussion. He was now sensible of the necessity of impeachments, if the Executive was to continue for any [FN12] time in office. Our Executive was not like a Magistrate having a life interest, much less like one having an hereditary interest in his office. He may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust; and no one would say that we ought to expose ourselves to the danger of seeing the first Magistrate in forign pay, without being able to guard agst. it by displacing him. One would think the King of England well secured agst. bribery. He has as it were a fee simple in the whole Kingdom. Yet Charles II was bribed by Louis XIV. The Executive ought therefore to be impeachable for treachery; Corrupting his electors, and incapacity were other causes of impeachment. For the latter he should be punished not as a man, but as an officer, and punished only by degradation from his office. This Magistrate is not the King but the prime-Minister. The people are the King. When we make him amenable to Justice however we should take care to provide some mode that will not make him dependent on the Legislature.
It was moved & 2ded. to postpone the question of impeachments which was negatived. Mas. & S. Carolina only being ay. On ye. Question, Shall the Executive be removeable on impeachments &c.? Mas. no. Ct. ay. N. J. ay. Pa. ay. Del ay. Md. ay. Va. ay. N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. ay. [FN13]” 8-2
BigMitch @ 146
Mitch, I don’t question his religiosity. I think he turned to a “belief system” that he calls Christian.
Faith is different, and I do question that.
Loo Hoo. @ 226
I’m doing a faq tomorrow. it has to be done. i’ll put it on my blog (it’s been whining about being neglected anyway…). I’ll give full steps WITH illo’s and directions, stealing them unashamedly from my boss’ book writing program.
LooHoo, here is your FB profile. Bookmark it so you don’t have to google it.
Loo Hoo. @ 226
Dang, How did that happen? I promise I didn’t do anything! I only pointed out ‘Kobe’s’ link!!! *g*
Trex : Argh, can’t find your email addy. If only I wasn’t too lazy to do the Facebook thing. Anyhoo, I called a couple of local stores but the 7373 only just came out here and they don’t have them yet. I’ve emailed the Nokia Service Centre here. Hopefully I’ll have an answer tomorrow.
Waccamaw @ 217
As good as they get. Our dentist for years retired, and we’ve gotten a new one, ’cause the lady who cleans our teeth moved over to this guy’s place. I had rheumatic fever when I was a kid, so I have to get medicated with antibiotics – even for cleanings, but I like having my teeth cleaned.
R J Hillhouse–The Spy Who Billed Me @ 141
Hello, J. What a pleasure to say hello! (If you see my humble praise!)
persiflage @ 237
Thanks, hon! I’m off to bed.
Good night, everybody!
Oh, and my email is df530 at bellsouth dot net.
I “F”d one of my computers. This one stays un”F”d for now.
Ed*ard Teller @ 238
… but I like having my teeth cleaned.
Edward, you truly amaze and frighten me. you compose orchestral pieces while living in the wonderland of alaska and “like having your teeth cleaned”. Talk about heaven and h*ll…
optiscans can shave votes, a printout of the vote to verify that the comp is reflecting intent is what needs to be in place, HAVA changed much of the vote medium so optiscans are not not a part of the solution
crap crap and double crap, sorry loo hoo
i gave the wrong link… this is it
cinnamonape @ 232
Damn, cinnamonape, why don’t you post all the Federalist Papers! You seem to have the time and exuberance to do so!!! 8-)
Cheers for Xanadu!
persiflage @ 237
check the “contact us” at the top of the page.. i believe his email addy is there and if not, i’ll send it to you with your permission
althespook @ 242
It doesn’t really hurt, and if your teeth are being cleaned, it is a firm reminder that you still have them.
It only hurts if one does not have dental insurance.
hay jacqrat.. better today?
Ed*ard Teller @ 248
I, OTOH, absolutely HATE it. so i only do it when i have to.
and, to be fair, i spent most of my life in a slice of colorado every bit as lovely as your alaska. but instead of composing lovely music i was composing various schematics of armageddon. bleck.
Suzanne @ 247
Doh! Trex has given me his email address now. I knew I had to click on something but nothing I clicked showed me what I wanted. Of course, I never thought to look in the most obvious place. Thanks Suzanne, you really are a gem.
Mr.Murder @ 243
Whew, you’re a tough cookie! I agree no system is infallible, however, it has been proven to be very effective, each precinct does random hand counts to verify the machines, under scrutiny of monitors from both parties present!
BTW One can IMPEACH not only to remove someone from office…but to PREVENT them from ever holding office again…and to remove any “emoulements” (i.e. benefits) of office. Thus an impeachment can occur after ones term is completed, or after resignation.
One thing that Bush thinks is that he can escape the taint of impeachment by running out the clock. I’d say to Congress, IGNORE THE CLOCK! If one has to impeach Bush AFTER the 2008 elections then do so.
First work on impeaching Gonzo and Cheney. Begin the necessary investigations. And if Bush BLOCKS the obtaining of evidence, consider THAT as “Obstruction” of the investigation and tell Bush that you must act as IF there is wrongdoing being covered-up.
And add that as one more element in the IMPEACHMENT CHARGES against Bush.
Then, when there is are more Democratic Senators and a President more willing to set the Executive back on a Constitutional basis, the investigation of what occurred in the Bush regime can press forward.
If Bush’s acts did indeed “obstruct justice” or other crimes then he should face conviction in the impeachment (regretfully after leaving office) and then criminal charges can be levelled at him.
If Bush “pardons himself” or issues blanket pardons to those in his administration then the impeachment process should be of greatest importance…it would be the ONLY means to prevent usurpation of the government. It would be a “confession” of underlying criminal activities while in office.
Quite simply the “impeachment clock” should be ignored. Congress should do what is right under the Constitution….and protect the very source of our Republic.
Wow, you folks have been chatty tonight! TRex must have gotten you all riled up.
Can’t sleep, spouse woke me up getting home late from a business trip and now I’m wide-eyed and owl-y. [sigh]
CTuttle @ 253
wasn’t there a major academic group that worked up a virtually bulletproof paper ballot system after the 2000 abomination? i read about it in 2003 IIRC but I can’t recall details or find it easily with google…
persiflage @ 237
Persiflage – You’ve got mail on this issue
persiflage @ 252
(blushing) thank you :)
on that nite, time for me to call it a night folks. see ya tomorrow nite, same bat time, same bat channel
juslin @ 173
juslin, don’t be sad. We love you. Keep up your strong spirit, girl!
althespook @ 251
I spent 20 years of mine hyper-developing coastal tourism, helping to ruin Prince William Sound as a pristine wilderness, and working in public safety, which had its negative schematics, also.
Back in 1989 through 1992, as so many technical communities in the USA and other places, were freed of the Cold War paradigm, a lot of Armageddon planners found themselves newly freed, and bored. I wrote music about that back then.
Rayne @ 255
cinnamonape is reposting the federalist papers, and et and i are discussing lovely places to live, loving or hating getting teeth cleaned, and composing symphonies or composing the end of the world. In short, a normal late late night at fdl.
Suzanne @ 258
sleep well suzanne.
CTuttle @ 253
I think we’ve done okay with optiscans in Michigan…but I also think they are messing with the tabulation process, which can still be done when aggregating votes in an area using optiscan. We had a rather fishy problem this past year that needs more attention; had not the local county clerk been very well versed in the counts and validity of the counts in her county, the tabulation and aggregation could have been gamed and remained so, under the guise of “software failure”. We are going to have to continue to stay on top of systems no matter the amount of trust we have in them.
And areas with trustworthy systems can otherwise be gamed by caging and other forms of suppression, like removal of machines due to hardware failures. Too many ways to steal an election that have not been squelched.
Ed*ard Teller @ 260
no boredom here. RELIEF! the day SAC stood down, mission accomplished, was one of the happiest of my life.
Jacqrat @ 246
Ooops. This link is more apropos.
cinnamonape @ 254
If Shrub eludes impeachment prior to leaving office, instead of impeachment afterwards, Criminal charges and/or War Crimes should be vigorously pursued against him! Impeachment is not a criminal case, per se, the only punishment doled out by Impeachment is removal from office, Period! Criminal charges can be utilized for impeachment, but, no criminal punishment is doled out solely from impeachment!
althespook @ 261
Sounds normal — or the closest thing to normal that this site will ever have. ;-)
‘Niters, Suzanne.
Going to head off to bed again myself, hope that I can drift back to sleep in a short amount of time. I am never going to get back to my 6:30 am regimen if I don’t break this insomnia thing.
Keep your fingers crossed that Sara Taylor’s attorney has advised her to sing like a canary, gang. See you sometime after dawn, Eastern Daylight Savings Time!
Rayne,
I’m not sure what ours are locally but they’re the fill in the bubbles with pencil. Which remind me of the old scantron tests i took throughout my childhood. Paper ballots scanned by a machine and with paper trails for verification. It’s been used in every district i’ve voted in between Port Huron and Grand Rapids, oddly. I think i was only in one punch card ballot area and that was 4 moves ago i think. *grins* Been a regular vagabond for the last 5 years, but i register to vote every place i get an address at.
Rayne,
The same problem in Alaska. We’ve been using Diebold Accu-Vote since it came out in the early 90s, and it seemed accurate until the 2004 vote, when the numbers between precincts and statewide totals got skewed so bad at the tabulators, it doesn’t make sense. Diebold is willing to let the records be scrutinized, but the state has been holding out to keep the data from the public since early 2005. The Dems sued and won, to gain access, but the state is still dragging their feet.
my ectoplasmic eyelids are drooping too. so g’nite to all firepups and ships at sea! (poof)
alias!
how were the dvd’s?
Someone said Vitter is protected from prosecution for his crime (which he essentially admitted) by the Statute of Limitations.
But what about Henry Cisneros? He had a mistress years before getting “outed” and had given her money. Apparently he was charged with lying to Federal Officials. Has Vitter ever had to tell any Federal or State Officials about any past criminal acts?
Cisneros plead guilty, resigned from office and was fined in a plea bargain in 1996. Clinton eventually pardoned him. But the Republicans appointed a Special Prosecutor who investigated these 1991 activities and the pardon until 2005!! The Prosecutor then produced a Special Report accusing, but not charging, the President of…well…favoritism!
So why can’t the Democrats investigate the Libby pardon, which actually may have been undertaken to SHIELD either the President or VP from criminal investigation? Why are the Republicans suddenly opposed to all investigations of wrongdoing by THEIR PRESIDENT for unseemly (if not criminal) pardons? Libby didn’t even admit his guilt to the judge and jury! He forced the court to undertake an extensive and expensive trial.
He has yet to cooperate with the Prosecutor!
And why can’t Fitzgerald produce a REPORT to Congress?
And why isn’t Vitter held to the same standards that Cisneros was…resignation and a fine?
What double standards exist by the CONS…who supposedly were to bring higher standards to the WH and Congress. Turns out they actually are even worse…denying their guilt and covering up their wrongdoing!
TRex @ 82
THAT WAS NOT YOUR BROTHER.
Remember, the GOP loyalists will block the Webb bill.
Opposite the Webb Amendment make one for voting verification.
Leave them with either choice, either one will advance the country.
One actively so, one passively so.
The other item important enough to attach with appropriations for troops would be net neutrality. The online numbers are coming in, GOTV is building infrastructure. They need to find ways to snag it. Let’s get in front of that.
Loo Hoo. @ 273
and how do you know that for sure?
THAT WAS NOT YOUR BROTHER.
and how do you know that for sure?
It was his brother, and it was with Jean Schmidt.
Colonel Mustard, in the Rotunda, with a barf bag.
suzanne – if you’re still here check your mail -
Sweet dreams you intrepid late late nite firepups – tomorrow’s hearing promises to be quite a spectacle. Not too mention more names from Madame’s naughty client lists. ;~)
althespook @ 271
I haven’t watched ‘em yet, Al! I’ll likely start tommorrow. I’ve been up to my ears with both my offical work and streaming DJing lately. More of the same this weekend at that. *laughs* But i’m enjoying it immensely being able to live with my foot in both worlds, so to say. One in science the other in art.
I have tommorrow off with no plans to do EITHER thing,so i can actually pick what i wanna watch. XD
because he says it was his friend:
Here is my brother’s metaphor for Iraq.
A couple of years ago a friend of his went to see his folks at Christmas time. He ran into his old girlfriend (who was married). They decided to go out for Mexican food…
driveby before turning off computer for the nite..
Mr.Murder @ 276
I’ve never heard that part of the body called a Rotunda before.
Suzanne @ 279
On the road to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives….
aliasofwestgate @ 278
i’ve been playing the mp3’s of the dub FAR too much. starting to humm the theme while working. Now i want 3rd gig! (and now I’m REALLY going to sleep!)
CTuttle @ 266
But if Bush PARDONS HIMSELF (or his self-nominated VP…Cheney…or Lieberman PARDONS him if he resigns) then that option may be taken off the table.
At that point ONLY impeachment is an option. This really should have been done in the Nixon case IMO…only then would the complete story have been documented for posterity and the complete infamy of the man documented.
Bush may very well believe that if he “runs out the clock”, he can himself, or Cheney or another “Ford” will be able to save his skin from criminal prosecution.
There are two recourses…impeachment is one …the other I will not comment upon since these pages are likely monitored. But I think that it is an interesting Constitutional option.
Hang out with some rapper/actors, homie.
Secret Service nickname for Vitter is “Ford.”
He always scoots around in his escort.
cinnamonape @ 272
Okay, I’m game! Vitter is too soon an event to make any educated guesses to the outcome! Libby’s commutation is being scrutinized by Congress, hearings are scheduled! Fitz is severely hampered by law as to what he can disclose to Congress, i.e. Grand Jury testimony among others, however, Waxman, is planning to chitchat with him outside of the GJ testimony! Is that all of your questions??? *g*
Mr.Murder @ 285
*Groan*
althespook @ 282
Nite, AK!!!
Mr.Murder @ 274
I’m not sure how one can attach amendments like these into a military appropriations bill? I think that the WebbAmendment is to place those who holler “you aren’t supporting the troops” feet to the fire and to shift the debate as to WHAT REALLY IS SUPPORTING THE TROOPS!
Is sending troops into stressful combat without adequate rest “supporting the troops”? It’s established that this will make it far more likely that they will make errors of judgement, place themselves and others in their troop at dire risk. It creates situations where they are more likely to give or act on criminal orders that violate human rights. It brings back soldiers with Stress Disorders that fray relationships, marriages, and families…and contributes to unemployment, depression and social displacement.
If the Republicans truly “support the troops” then they MUST support the Webb Amendment! Otherwise let them state WHY this Amendment harms the troops?
Suzanne @ 197
Well, if worst comes down to worst, we’ll all help each other out, Suz. Send me a note I can reply to on facebook, since facebook does not seem to be my friend,
We’re informed that this woman, Kathy Shaffer, voted for Bush twice, but now — now! — realizes how bad he is. (“I did vote for him twice, but I’m very disappointed in him… I have switched completely from pro-Iraq to ‘I want them home.’”) You know what to think: Thanks a lot for imposing your inferior judgment on the whole country, corn lady!
Althouse hates flyover country…
cinnamonape @ 283
Hmmmmmmmmm! I never considered the possibility that a person could be impeached after leaving office. Is there precedent for that?
So, for example, Congress could now impeach Libby from his former position, Assistant to the President, which is a presidential appointment, making him an officer of the United States. But then his pardon involved “a case of impeachment,” so that pardon wold become void. Right?
Webb is going beyond that, he’s establishing the kind of paperwork firewall to allow the people resistant to Bush policy in command rank to finally have justification.
Cinnamonape, They most assuredly can attach it to the Military appropriations bill, if it passes the Senate, I’m certain it would be reconciled with the House bill and Shrub would be forced to accept it or veto it! If he vetoes it, he would be stopping the funding for the troops!!!
TexB @ 117
Thanks….more on Bush cabal secrecy….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02309.html
Cheney refuses to turn over documents that he has classified or “insta-declassified” to the National Archives (or any one else) for retention. He has decalred himself an independent “Fourth Branch” to avoid the Executive Order that stipulates that the Executive Branch must retain all documents for the Archive and provide Classified Material so that it can be evaluated by other intelligence branches that are affected, and can be classified according to law.
What Cheney has classified and declassified and when directly relates to the Plame/Wilson case, and could be relevant to a whole range of other issues.
That’s why Congress has tried to “defund” DICK until he complies with Federal law. I would also suggest that they suspend his role as “President of the Senate” until he places himself back in compliance.
wigwam @ 292
The water is being muddied unnecessarily, let me reiterate, the only direct consequence of Impeachment is removal from office and being barred from that office! Impeachment can only occur while the Impeached is in office! Impeachment can utilize and lead to criminal charges being leveled against the impeached, but, Impeachment does not render criminal decisions!!!
cinnamonape @ 295
That was a smart move! The Dems are finally showing some moxie!!!
Well, it’s time for me to bid a fond adieu to the Lake, once again!!! Aloha Oe!!!
Suzanne @ 244
Dang, how do you do this, Suz? But still, how do I get the special blue f? Realizing it’s 1:58, and you’re probably nighty.
Rayne @ 267
Rayne, every comment is saying 12.47 here, but highest regards to you!
Suzanne @ 235
Suz, I know you’re asleep now, but this takes me to C&L. Thanks anyway!
Hmmm. So now Little Dorrit gets added to the towering pile of what I should read. Has anyone else been struck in recent years by how many things have just collapsed? Enron was probably the best-known example of glitter to trash in the bat of an eye, but there’ve been many corporations to follow it, and this year could turn even more extraordinary in that regard soon. And I wouldn’t snap up those call options on the Badministration at this point, either.
I’m reminded of an old comedy routine. An announcer intones a listing of items in a lot at auction:
“Two volumes titled, How to Tame Vultures;
Four volumes, How to Leave Vultures Alone …”
Is this the last post before the “good mornings”?
The GF wanted to see the 12:30 AM Harry Potter
movie. All the “bad people” acted like Republicans. Can’t get away from them. Generated a discussion
of the theory of “Creative Destruction” on the way home. She thought it was insane. No shit. Tell Michael Ledeen that. Movie was pretty good.
[waving to Steve-AR]
Gotcha “Good Mornings” right here, fresh outta the oven.
Me, I’m waiting to see what Marion’s put on the counter. There’s a newly tested recipe for mint tea custard finishing shortly but doubt most people would find that to their liking for breakfast fare. ;-)
So then, that settles it.(comment thread elsewhere, over the outrage of haircuts)
John Edwards treats his hair like Mitt Romney treats his dog.
Blow dried across a long distance.
Good morning, pups. It’s Ms. Dowd and Mr. Friedman in the NYT today.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and there are cranberry pecan muffins just out of the oven. I’ve got to dash outside and water the things I have in pots because I didn’t get a chance to do that last evening — by the time the bird feeders were filled it was too dark. Have a great day. (Waccamaw, have you visited the Garden Web yet???)
Marion -
When I applied for a password, the country field wouldn’t work so sent them an e-mail requesting assisstance. If that was returned I may have unintentionally deleted it with a lump of sp*m. :-(
Thanks for the reminder: will have to try again.
This is big news- we’ve just started….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..7/10/55623
…you thought the race to the bottom was almost over.
Good morning!
Good morning. I don’t usually do “late night” but can’t sleep so…
I am so jealous of people finding their way through the FaceBook thingy. I can’t even figure out how to locate my account on PayPal to verify Chicago registration because of my move and now new email address. I am hopeless.
But I will be in Chicago regardless. Maybe later I will struggle through the directions for signing up to FaceBook which everyone has so kindly been providing.
-Good morning egregious. Things are so hectic right now in my life that I haven’t been commenting here, or anywhere much. Hope all is ‘trucking’ along in the easy lane for you these days.
morning all!
big hearing day today – starts, i think, at 10 am – with Sara Taylor testifying before the Senate Judiciary committee.
then at noon, the House Judiciary committee has a hearing on,
“The Use and Misuse of Presidential Clemency Power for Executive Branch Officials”
argh. i miss the “edit comment” function. sigh.
This is interesting:
Here is a copy of Fielding’s letter, which is addressed to Fitzgerald: http://howappealing.law.com/Li…..Letter.pdf
As I understand it, life on supervised release isn’t exactly a bowl of cherries — see http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..d-release/
Good morning GrandmaJ. Looking forward to meeting you at kos. Were you inquiring what the other girls were going to wear? I’m doing some comfy work clothes and some dresses with hot shoes.
Vote on the Webb amendment somewhere in the vicinity of 11.30 iirc. Let’s see who -really- supports the troops, and who’s ready to sent them off to get shot at without sufficient rest.
Whee! What a morning.
real journalism from Jonathan S. Landay at mcclatchy, “Bush again links Iraq violence to 9/11“
I need some good news today. I hope the hearings will provide that.
What’s up ya’ll? I’m in Beantown at an Education conference so 2 whole days of no Lake!
Today should be a great day of liveblogging, raven. I can’t wait.
is there an ‘f’?
YES!
I cannot recall ever before being happy about an ‘f’.
raven, i think marcy and jane are in DC for the live blogging… hopefully we will also be able to watch via webcast and c-span. i’m going to try to record audios and if there are fire works, i will post the mp3s.
Did anyone else in Congress call for impeachment of Gonzo yesterday after those headlines? I mean, it’s blatent pergury.
GeorgeSimian @ 323
I’m hoping it’s “purgery.”
hi.TJ @ 324
I hate when I do that.
GeorgeSimian @ 325
Actually, I think it’s perjury. I was attempting a pun, and probably failing.
Over at DailyKos DarkSyde’s got a powerful commentary on what Dr. Sanjay Gupta could accomplish for healthcare of insured patients instead of taking potshots at Michael Moore.
Really resonated with us. We know what it is to pay for “good” insurance and then face the bureaucratic nightmare that is denial of coverage.
I hope you, and Dr. Gupta, will read this great piece and then find a way to advocate–for yourself, for every patient both insured and uninsured–for the state of national healthcare is Disgrace.
selise @ 317
Bush at WHPC ribbon cutting for new press room.
Tryin’ to channel his inner smart ass. Not going over so well.
Not taking questions.
Coward.
M. Taylor says she doesnt intend to testify cause Bush claimed executive privilege. But Mr.Cheney said he´s no part of the executive. Wheres the court to imprison these assholes?
‘Morning, FirePups.
Could be a big day, eh? All depends on what Taylor’s attorney has counseled her to do; we’ve not gotten any indication from the attorney directly as to whether Taylor has acknowledged the POTUS’ office “request” not to testify, have we?
Will she claim she didn’t get the memo? One could hope…
Come on upstairs, folks, Scarecrow’s got a guessing game for us: These People Scare Me
Scarecrow serving fresh thread, gang.
TRex, you quote Dickens & Jane Austen!!! i love you [in an intellectual sort of way].