From the NYTimes:
…These were the girls the gunmen saw first, 10 easy targets walking hand-in-hand through the blue metal gate and on to the winding dirt road.
The staccato of machine-gun fire pelted through the stillness. A 13-year-old named Shukria was hit in the arm and the back, and then teetered into the soft brown of an adjacent wheat field. Zarmina, her 12-year-old sister, ran to her side, listening to the wounded girl’s precious breath and trying to help her stand.
But Shukria was too heavy to lift, and the two gunmen, sitting astride a single motorbike, sped closer.
As Zarmina scurried away, the men took a more studied aim at those they already had shot, killing Shukria with bullets to her stomach and heart. Then the attackers seemed to succumb to the frenzy they had begun, forsaking the motorbike and fleeing on foot in a panic, two bobbing heads — one tucked into a helmet, the other swaddled by a handkerchief — vanishing amid the earthen color of the wheat.
Six students were shot here on the afternoon of June 12, two of them fatally. The Qalai Sayedan School — considered among the very best in the central Afghan province of Logar — reopened only last weekend, but even with Kalashnikov-toting guards at the gate, only a quarter of the 1,600 students have dared to return.
Shootings, beheadings, burnings and bombings: these are all tools of intimidation used by the Taliban and others to shut down hundreds of Afghanistan’s public schools. To take aim at education is to make war on the government.
Parents are left with peculiar choices. “It is better for my children to be alive even if it means they must be illiterate,” said Sayed Rasul, a father who had decided to keep his two daughters at home for a day.
The Taliban is targeting these children because they can, because they are strengthening their hold in a number of areas in Afghanistan while US tropps are bogged down in Iraq. Because we did not bother to finish the job in Afghanistan before George Bush had already turned his roving eye toward Saddam Hussein and started a war we never needed to fight.
And now we are losing ground in both countries, and the vaunted American military might — the reputation and equipment that has stood astride the rest of the world for decades — has been shown to have limits of its own by some insurgents with a kalashnikov and a deep-seated desire to knock us off our pedestals. And with his poor planning and lack of understanding of the very high potential for worst case scenarios in this region of the world, an area which has toppled empires for centuries before now…George Bush has handed Al Qaeda and every other potential rogue faction or nation across the globe both a recruiting tool and a glimpse of America’s soft underbelly.
And he has done so on the backs of the American military, who lack both the necessary equipment and the numbers to do their jobs due to lack of planning from the get go and the Bush Administration’s desire to fight war on the cheap.
So much of diplomacy and deterrent capability is an illusory reputation created through years of what could have been. We held our own during the Cold War, despite having periods where our capability was not exactly what we projected it to be, and vice versa for the Soviets. For years now, one of America’s strengths has been that fear that if we were provoked too far, our nation’s military would utterly crush the nation issuing the provocation. And that we would do so with a horde of willing allies at our side.
Not so now. Today, the American military strength is exhausted, bogged down in a desert war that is eating our equipment as though it were made of paper, and our nation’s budget as though it were an inexhaustable fuel supply of cash. But we know that none of this is true — that we are all paying a hefty price for George Bush’s failures, none more than the soldiers and their families, and all of the innocents who relied on the hollow promises of security and a bright future that the Bush Administration is so good at throwing out to the masses, but utterly failing at doing the work necessary to bring them to fruition.
As of yesterday, the US military had lost more than 4,000 personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq. Today in Afghanistan, 17 people were killed and more than 50 people were injured in a suicide blast in a crowded market in Khandahar, a tactic that was once unheard of in Afghan culture.
The bombing appeared to be the third-deadliest of the year. On June 17, a suicide bomber exploded himself on a bus carrying police instructors in Kabul, killing 35 people. In February, a bomber carrying explosives detonated them outside the main U.S. base at Bagram Air Field, killing 23 people, during a visit by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney.
Violence has spiked in Afghanistan the last several weeks. More than 3,100 people _ mostly militants _ have died in insurgency-related violence this year, according to an Associated Press count based on figures from Western and Afghan officials.
There have been deteriorating conditions on the ground for the last several years, but that violence and rising control of the Taliban and other allied groups has accelerated in recent months. With increasing instability in Pakistan, and the rise of militant control over greater regions in that nation threatening the stability of Pakistan’s military dictatorship, things look more and more dicey in terms of long-term stability. (via McClatchey — do read the whole article at this link)
Al-Qaida is back, rebuilding in the mountain sanctuary that sprawls across the Afghan-Pakistan border.
Arab recruits are moving in. Training camps are thought to be operating on both sides of the border. Suicide attacks in Afghanistan are almost triple the number of last year.
“Al-Qaida and the Taliban have to a troubling degree been able to re-create … the environment that existed in Afghanistan under the Taliban, to include recruiting and training foreign jihadists and financing and planning terrorist operations,” a U.S. intelligence official told McClatchy Newspapers.
The uncontrolled tribal areas of Pakistan have been a problem since coalition troops drove the Taliban and its ally, Osama bin Laden, out of Afghanistan.
Bin Laden has long been thought to have found sanctuary in the region along with Afghan insurgents and Pakistani radicals. All “have free rein there now,” said Marvin Weinbaum, a former U.S. State Department intelligence analyst who is with the Middle East Institute, a Washington policy organization….
Young militants feel that “Allah’s victory seems to be drawing near” and see parallels with the stalemating of the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the 1980s and its ultimate withdrawal, said Michael Scheuer, a former CIA official who until 2004 headed a team that searched for Osama bin Laden.
This sort of environment does not happen by accident. The Bush Administration went into Afghanistan after 9/11, and made promises that it had no intention of keeping. Thirteen year old Shukria’s sin was that she wanted an education, that she wanted to learn in a nation where a resurgent Taliban forbids girls to do so. Our sin is that we have abandoned her country to this fate through neglect and piss poor planning and a wholesale disregard for the importance of keeping our word when we give it.
Today, I weep for Shukria and her family, and for all of the soldiers and their families and all of the many innocents caught in the crossfire of George Bush’s failures. Because it did not have to be this way. George Bush’s poor choices led us to this point in our nation’s history. He will not change, he will not admit his failures…it is up to all of the rest of us to stand up and make this right.
Juan Cole has much more on all of this.
(Photo of an Afghan schoolgirl via thechildrenofwar.)
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Sins of the fathers of war?
Christy!
dos…
PS Sinful was the first word that came to my mind too. This entire administration is drowning in a sea of sin.
speaking of intolerant religions:
http://rawstory.com/showarticl…..O1FO0.html
Any non-catholics out there will be pleased to know that Herr Ratzinger has decided their faiths are not “true churches” or “are defective”. Idiot.
Like we NEED to restart the Hundred Years War right now.
If the House does not begin an Investigation of Impeachment there is no justice left in this country.
Learning is the enemy of the barbarians. Ours and theirs.
And George Bush is doing the things he’s doing because ‘he can’.
Mr. President, you are responsible for thousands of dead children and orphans. You are a monster.
No wonder the USA is falling in the eyes of the world. A recent L.A. Times article/Harris Poll states that the USA is seen as the biggest threat to global stability.
althespook @ 5
Not ‘new’ news. I think John XXIII was the only pope who actually recognized that there was more than one way to believe. The rest are about authority (they’d be GOoPers if they were citizens). They don’t seem to see that that’s one reason why they don’t get the responses they want.
Let’s remind ourselves again of the exorbitant costs of these two wars that we’re not winning:
Not really OT – had to repeat from downstairs.
Jim Webb gave a great speech on his amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill yesterday.
He speaks with sincerity and credibility – we need to give him more power in our party. He is a real leader. http://webb.senate.gov/newsroo…..78441&
Karen
Via @ 6
Amen!
I am one of the liberals who felt that going into Afghanistan after 9/11 was a righteous act. Had we concentrated solely on the actions of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, overthrowing them militarily while working with others to rebuild infrastructure and re-establish laws to bring them back into the community of nations, we could have succeeded. We had the support of most of the rest of the world plus we would have been cleaning up a mess we helped to create in the first place when we armed the Mujahdeen to fight the USSR in the ’80s.
But due to the Neo-con warhawks in DC, who were long looking for the excuse to invade Iraq and take down Saddam, all we’ve done is create two lawless nations while destroying our Army in the process.
There are special places in H*ll reserved for those who have done this to the world.
Iraq is our Afganistan. Actually, Afghanistan may also be our Afghanistan. Overextended military supporting neocon dreams of empire: a recipe for disaster, especially in countries where tales of throwing off occupiers are passed down through generations.
Remember when Laura Bush went to Afghanistan and bragged about all the young women going back to school? What has she to say to Shukria and her once-hopeful family?
P J Evans @ 10
Sorry, trying to do too many things at once. The doctrine isn’t new, in fact it’s moldy it’s so old (my dad is/was a graduate theologian, methodist). It’s the timing! Europe is having enough troubles dealing with the Islamic religious issues (veils, etc) and figuring out how to protect freedom of and prevent abuse of religious faith in their eventual constitution. This news release just doesn’t help. Just as in the US, some are still fighting the Civil War, some in Europe are still fighting the Hundred Years War. Like I said, just doesn’t help.
Sorry – linky broke
http://webb.senate.gov/newsroo…..78441&
Karen
P J Evans @ 10
John Paul I seemed to understand but didn’t last long enough to make a difference.
Karen @ 12
He was all over the place being interviewed recently. VERY articulate. A REAL leader and HOW! Wonderful to have him in the Senate!
So, here’s the question.
At one point, Muslim nations that didn’t border Iraq (Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh and others I can’t recall) offered to send a peace-keeping force to Iraq under Security Council auspices. The Deny-er-in-Chief said they were welcome as part of the Coalition of the Willing. They said, “Thanks, but no thanks.”
Can we reconstruct their offer. Obviously Bar-bush never read the Deny-er the tale of Bre’er Rabbit and the Tarbaby, or he’d be able to recognize Iraq as a tarbaby, and us as Bre’er Rabbit. The only way out is to leave, but we can’t leave Iraq in its current state.
If we’re out of Iraq, do we have the resources to clean up Afghanistan?
BC
dakine01 @ 17
It is widely believed in Italy and other places that he found out about the Church Banking scandal and was gonna blow the whistle, and got himself poisoned for his trouble.
CHS:
I have to object to this use of the canned phrase “Because we did not bother to finish the job in Afghanistan…”, which was a lame surrogate for direct criticism of the invasion of Iraq I recall hearing Democrats in 2004. The Russians invaded Afghanistan under a pretext of humanitarian support for a puppet government, accompanied by the same no doubt sincere revulsion at the medieval ways of Afghani tribesman. They tried to “finish the job”, at the price of a million dead Afghans. Any occupation we pursue will end similarly, with Afghanistan’s neighbors, and proxies of China and Russia, bleeding us slowly while the occupied country suffering worse.
I defend the Bush administration on very few points, but not sending shitloads of troops after they let Bin Laden go (a dereliction of duty that should be one of the articles of impeachment, by the way) is not something I’ll criticize them for. It really is a heedless, kneejerk complaint to suggest we could be doing more to refashion that country in our image through military force, and to any service-age left blogger uttering this bromide I can only say: Then enlist.
Somebody must have woken Senator McCain up. He has stopped talking.
Heartbreaking.
Little girls.
Shooting little girls.
What kind of sick fuck shoots little girls?
Cowards.
Very powerful post, Christy. I am overcome with sadness and anger at what we have done.
Wasn’t one of our big promises to the Afghans that we would make it safe for girls to go to school?
Now, off to read the McClatchy article.
IMPEACH NOW. it’s the right thing to do.
the poster boy for bad governance has the blood of more children on his hands. take the wretch away before he kills again.
adie @ 19:
I would like to see him join the race for #1 in 2008 or at the very least, be #1 in line for VP. We need the Southern factor.
Karen
dakine01 @ 14
Amen…
If more Americans realized this.. then maybe their representatives in Washington would have never voted for the Iraq War.. or the “Authorization to use Force” as it was politically framed..
It’s stories like this that makes it imperative that we remain vigilant.
TeddySanFran @ 15
Shhhhh, must not disturb the Laurabot. She’s busy talkin’ “daughters love their daddies” with Sanjay Gupta.
Hugh @ 23
Hasn’t he an important report to make, having just returned from Iraq?
dakine01 @ 14
My response to this is pretty much the one I made to CHS in #22. This kind of talk is exasperatingly naive and sanctimonious. Don’t you get it yet? We’re only there for one reason: to create another front against Iran.
dakine01 @ 14
They were looking for the excuse to take down Iran longer.
How better to do it than to prop up the dictator next door for decades, then pull the rug out from under him, destabilize his country, invade and occupy it, and then cross the border into the final objective on some flimsy pretext?
Just like so many other neocon plans, what could go wrong?
This is another story we won’t hear in the MSM. NPR ran a similar heartbreaking piece by one of their Iraqi reporters. He and his wife witnessed several young boys machine-gunned to death while playing soccer in a mixed Sunni-Shia neighborhood. The parents, who had managed to live together peacefully until this point were maddened by their grief and rage and carried on a gun battle for hours before recovering the bodies of their children. These stories should be front and center before the American people so that we can very clearly understand just what George Bush and Dick Cheney have done in our names.
darkblack @ 33
Exactly. It’s about surrounding Iran.
The wages of war is sin…
Our great friend and ally Pakistan has also had a lot to do with the resurgence of the Taliban. The Pakistani intelligence agency helped create the Taliban and has always thought that it would eventually return to power in Afghanistan. Musharraf has pursued a hands off policy toward them and their intelligence and tribal backers in Pakistan. Add to this Bush’s mistake in pulling resources out of Afghanistan for the Iraq war and you have the present situation.
Unlike the Russians, we don’t have the whole country against us although Bush is working on it.
TeddySanFran @ 15
I suggest that we write to her and ask.
And maybe an “Open Letter” would be in order.
But be sure to focus on the girls of Afghanistan, so as not to get diverted into the mess in Iraq.
Bob in WI (temporarily)
You just don’t get it John. It’s not your staff that’s the problem. It’
s you and your hardcore support for our president’s murderous policies in Iraq.
WASHINGTON – John McCain’s campaign manager and chief strategist are gone from their leadership roles, a major staff shake-up for the struggling Republican presidential candidate who is all but broke and trails in opinion polls.
darkblack @ 33
I know that you have snark-mode on, Darkblack, but the better question to ask is, “What has to go right for this plan to work?”
When the answer is a long string of improbable contingencies, you ought to know better than to implement the plan!
BC
althespook @ 5
um.. so according to Pope Inquisitor, Protestant fundies are defective then? Well, I’m Protestant, not Catholic, but I’m happy with that pronouncement.. and we can’t very well have defective people running the country, now can we? I’m defective too, but then again, I’m not running the free world.
TeddySanFran @ 31
Yes, I believe it runs something like this: Blah, blah, stay in Iraq.
darkblack @ 33
Most people here know that Iran is the real goal.. I think the point at least I was trying to make is that if you know they play, then disrupt it as soon as you can.. i.e. since we knew that the PNAC wanted to wipe out Iran, but needed BOTH of it’s neighbor’s to fall first, then Why not stop them from taking Iraq.. It’s like taking out a blocker on a running play so that the ball-carrier gets stopped before scoring…
Bustednuckles @ 24
The same type who stone them to death for having talked to a boy from another tribe.
Or who let them burn to death in a fire because they do not have their burqas and would be seen be men not of their families.
brendan @ 22:
Afghanistan is really tricky and complex. Actually, I for one believe that the beginning of the end of the cold war started with the Soviet invasion in 1979. The unique terrain of Afghanistan defeated the Soviets, more so than the mujahdin that later morphed into Al-Qaeda. I believe that the US, with the help of NATO and the world’s sympathy, would have done a better job of thoroughly routing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda instead of the US getting distracted and bogged down in Iraq.
The Soviets wanted to occupy Afghanistan. The original mission of the US there was simply routing those who really came after us in 9/11.
darkblack @ 33
Glenn Greenwald makes an excellent case in Tragic Legacy that by taking out the Taliban (no friend of Iran) and propping up a weak Afghan government while simultaneously utterly destroying Iraq, Bush has enabled Iran to stand astride the region unfettered by former enemies on either side.
Bargain Countertenor @ 20
Possibly. Depends on how much of your grandchildren’s money you want to borrow.
As someone else wrote above, if we hadn’t diverted into Iraq, we might have been able to finish the job in Afghanistan. However, considering the rate at which BushCo has botched everything, maybe not.
Bob in WI (temporarily)
Speaking for myself only of course, I did not support going into Afghanistan. I was afraid of how this Bush adventure would turn out. And I am what’s derisively termed by people like Bush a ‘pacifist’.
Hugh @ 37
This goes back to my #22 point. Once we didn’t kill or capture Bin Laden in the first month, there was no good reason for us to be there. We should be asking why we’re there, not uttering Kerry-tested vapidities about “finishing the job.”
If I hear “finish the job” or “a new direction” one more time, I am going to bite someone.
Gee whiz guys, I mean c’mon…I know that Afghanistan is a success because they have killed off the number two bad guy at least six times and more than that, Beloved Leader has told me that it’s a fledgling Democracy and a resounding success with the bad guys on the run.
C’mon, get with the program. Enough with the negative waves already (to quote Oddball in Kelly’s Heroes
Biodun @ 45
The key phrase in your response is “original mission”. What’s the mission now? It’s Iran.
dead last @ 9
That is because we are!
I truly don’t know if an Impeachment Inquiry would stop Bush in his tracks or make him hit the Iran accelerator.
Via @ 50
How ’bout “White House on Iraq: We’re at the Starting Point Now.” [HuffPo]
Re Ratzinger, he’s an ideologue not a diplomat. Can anyone remember all the rhetorical bricks he has thrown since becoming pope? His predecessor was also an ideologue but he was a diplomat and used his cult of personality to mask the extremism of his views.
Bush needs Bin Laden alive.. He is the straw dog that can be used to strike fear in our hearts, and keep us in line !!
The story of the murdered girls is horrible and one of thousands, maybe millions. Apparently this isn’t enough to raise our collective self-awareness, however. What WILL be? As in all such circumstances, we will surely find out.
“The Taliban is targeting these children because they can, because they are strengthening their hold in a number of areas in Afghanistan while US tropps are bogged down in Iraq. Because we did not bother to finish the job in Afghanistan before George Bush had already turned his roving eye toward Saddam Hussein and started a war we never needed to fight.”
IIRC, Bush’s eye has always been on Iraq. His handlers had to shut him up on the Iraq issue during the ‘00 campaign. I think the whole Afghanistan mini-war really pissed him off because it delayed what he really wanted to do; show up “Dad”. With Bush, the neocons thought they had died an gone to nirvana.
Bush may perhaps turn out to be one of the meanest presidents in history in terms of children’s issues here and abroad.
darkblack @ 33
Right. The same Neo-con warhawks who were incensed at the attack on our embassy in Iran after Carter, in a humanitarian gesture, allowed the deposed Shah to enter the US for medical treatment. The Shah whom they supported in his dictatorship.
The same Neo-con warhawks who then conspired with the Iranians holding our citizens as hostages until immediately after Carter left office so that the release would not happen on his watch.
The same Neo-con warhawks who then sold arms to the Iranians they profess to hate in order to raise laundered money to pay for arms for their puppet governments in Central and South America in direct violation of law.
They do and don’t want war with Iran. They mainly just want excuses to build Halliburton’s trade and keep oil markets in flux.
Via @ 50
You omitted “clean up Afghanistan” from Bargain Countertenor at #20. All these insipid euphemisms make it sound like we’re going to send janitors or landscapers over there.
brendan @ 52
Maybe. But the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have also resurged there in a big way, no? But I will also not argue with you that this resurgence might be a pretext for the US to isolate Iran.
Mojo @ 57
I am beginning to believe that Bush is the Dem’s straw dog. If true, what an awful, awful realization about one’s party.
Mod: Please rescue my 63 and take out the ital and underline. Thanks!
AAuugghhh. I hated and hate the Taliban. The only good thing Bush appeared to do was topple them. But being a student of history I was totally against putting soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan. What arrogance, what hubris, that we would be able to succeed where the British, Soviets and the conquerors from earlier times all failed. I am not going to even mention Iran and Iraq.
I’d like to hear Conyers say, “We are going to clean Bush’s clock.” That’s the type of cleanup we need.
Just think:
If Bush had actually followed through on Afghanistan and blown off the PNAC Platoon on Iraq, he would have had the world’s backing and UN troops to help the Afghans transition to sanity — and we’d be withdrawing the first troops by now.
Bush doesn’t take people, polls or investigations into consideration when he has an agenda…
Apparently not even his advisors….
Unless they tell him what he wants to hear regardless of the truth….
Via @ 54
Via @ 62
Maybe.. but the Dems don’t have near the PROFIT motive of perpetual war on the world..
Mods: My 65 I meant. Thanks.
I make no claim to non-naivete, but I’m on Dakine’s side here. The Taliban nurtured and harbored bin laden and others like him, and they weren’t going to stop doing that just because bin laden found himself a hiding place somewhere else.
There is also the fact that they were and are a vicious, barbarous regime that were particularly brutal to women. To say that we shouldn’t have stuck around to stop that once and for all to me is like saying we should have left Germany without liberating the concentration camps.
althespook @ 5
Great just what the Church needs right now after a pedophile scandal Intolerence of EVERYONE ELSE I’m sure this will help Rudy.
That was Clinton’s finest hour – when he showed the PNAC crowd the door.
I have been wondering for a long time now if BushCo has really botched the job in Afghanistan or did they understand that they need OBL and the Taliban in order to justify their war of terror? I suspect we will never know but I have thought that Iraq was about creating permanent havens for those we could label as terrorists so that we can have a permanent war and finishing the job in Afghanistan would have undermined that goal. Despicable people either way but if this was their motive they are about as evil as human beings can get.
Via @ 72
That is exactly what President Gore will do in January of 2009
Mojo in #70. I think you are right, at least for the time being. Let’s hope that never changes.
brendan @ 22
IIRC the excuse the Bushies used for not doing more in Afghanistan was that the US was not going to engage in nation building, which is exactly what they immediately attempted (albeit incompetently) in Iraq.
I respectfully disagree with you on this point. Nation building in Afghanistan was essential both to disable the Taliban and Al Qaida and to build support for the US locally and regionally.
brendan @ 62
Okay, fine, Brendan.
What ought we do, then?
Let’s be specific, and don’t let’s forget that we created these messes.
BC
Mojo @ 77
If I was a religious woman I’d shout “Amen, brother Mojo!” As it is, I’ll just smile and agree.
At the first anti-war rally I went to, just before the invasion of Afghanistan, a Middle Eastern expert whose name I forget predicted everything that’s happening now.
But far be it from our leaders to listen to people who actually know something.
Karen @ 27
Interesting thought. I keep being surprised at his expertise, and his obvious skill as an accomplished speaker, whether giving speeches, one-on-one during interviews, or (my favorite!) holding his own calmly but while projecting great power during panel “discussions”.
Then I’m reminded of his background and previous accomplishments, and think, well no wonder!?!
I hope he continues to do well. We need more like that. ;->
Biodun @ 63
I think Georgie thinks of himself as the Lone Ranger. He wants to come to the rescue, shoot the bad guys, and gallop off into the sunset as victor and savior. Did you notice that the Lone Ranger never stayed around very long to deal with the consequences of his interventions? That was his model for Afghanistan. And that was the announced plan for Iraq.
However, there were those who knew that once in Iraq, they could invite themselves to stay in the country with the largest geo-political strategic oil reserves in the world.
Bob in WI (temporarily)
brendan @ 49
Pakistan is the biggest threat. The current situation reminds me of our former BFF, Iran. The fighting at the Mosque, the recent attempt on Musharraf; It’s Pahalvi and Iran all over again…except Pakistan has nukes and delivery systems. (Didn’t Bush secretly help Pakistan double their nuclear weapons production?) We are one small coup away from a Jihadist county having multiple nuclear weapons.
“Another senior official, however, said that Bush and his advisers had already decided no change in policy was justified as yet because there was not enough evidence from Iraq”
yellowsnapdragon @ 79, Bush has done an excellent job building a nation in Afghanistan for the return of the Taliban and Al Qaida.
Gore!
Gnome de Plume @ 65
I think we could have succeeded IF we had gone in there with the “rebuilding and let’s help” genes working instead of “let’s occupy and beat down the menace” which was the action of both the British in the 1800s and the Russians in the 1980s.
Greenwald in Salon today on BushCo’s many delusional story-lies (as it were):
Cleanup on aisle 1600.
Bob@83: Thank you for reminding us that it’s all about the oil. Nothing else. Not education, not freedom, not stability, not bin laden.
Just. oil.
realworld @ 75
I think you hit the nail on the head. They haven’t done one single thing because of morality. Each and every single action is based on the PNAC plan for world domination. Everything they have done benefits corporate power and control. Not a single act -foreign or domestic, civilian or military has been done for any values other than unfettered corporatism and domination.
Bargain Countertenor @ 40
That prudent approach rapidly becomes overtaken by events when one or some has developed the habit of making up their own realities, BC.
Iran was cultivated for decades…A little thing like self-determination and rebellion against foreign-backed oppression must not be allowed to interfere with the pleasantly idyllic neoconservative dream of frolicking on a pile of bloody lucre.
TeddySanFran @ 46
Iraq was no longer useful as a proxy for Iran’s destabilization after the ’80’s, IMO. When Hussein called for his due (the Shatt al-Arab), he became a liability that required containment and eventual elimination.
The Taliban ended their usefulness (as an annoyance to the Soviets) around the same time, but really only became an issue when they took control and threatened the ‘natural order’ of affairs…Resource acquisition and conglomeration.
(Since we have seen a resurgence in their noxious activities of late in Afghanistan and Pakistan, I might not assign them ‘taken out’ status just yet).
And that leaves Iran, unfettered and without plausible denial for its actions. This in turn gives neoconservatives the ability (in their own minds) to justify an attack.
brendan @ 22
I have to agree with this comment (sadly). We should have known from the Soviet fiasco that Afghanistan would not be cake walk, but would end up being a very close call and lucky if it turned out half as good as we hoped. NATO will be out of there in three to four years at the most, and thanks to us, the Taliban will be back in.
ticktock @ 69
voices in his head – remember?
I used to wince a little when I heard someone say “God told me to…”
With dubba, I shudder. I doubt I’m alone in this.
brendan @ 52
the neo cons may want to “take out” Iran but there’s no way the American military can do it. this is not to say that they might somehow give it a try. the only way this could even be attempted would be the nuclear way. much as Cheney may want this to happen he won’t be able to make it happen.
on Afghanistan, we could have sent more people in and it could have been successful. the same thing was true of Iraq as well. if we had sent in 400,000 troops we could have secured the place. but we didn’t.
the moral midget in the white house must go.
IMPEACH NOW. IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I watched a clip of the Michael Moore slap down of Wolfe from yesterday. He backed up his assertions from Sicko by saying that everything he had shown and predicted in Fahrenheit 911, including Walter Reed, had come to pass. He really blasted CNN and the MSM. It was wonderful — the opposite of the Ledeens and Wolfowitzes that everything they had predicted was 100% wrong.
Biodun @ 63
Not “isolate” Iran. Attack Iran.
I could care less whether these people have “resurged”. Go fight them if you wish. Enlist. From what you and some other people seem to be arguing, this is some kind of zero-sum game and even if you were sent, oops, to Iraq, that would free up more “resources” to “clean up” the Taliban, “finish the job”, and offer Afghanistan’s young women an exciting new range of educational and career choices. Just like the Soviets.
That comment was a bit snotty, but you and others not thinking through the implications of these stock phrases, and you’re being naive about the nature of any occupation, even an occupation of a country run by brutes like the Taliban. As long as our military is involved, they have to fight us.
I believe President Gore, with perhaps the aid of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, would hit the ground with Palestinian/Israeli initiatives that would open a dialog with other Muslim nations. Without that, nothing much will be accomplished. He has the skill and background to put together a middle-east foreign policy team that will indeed form a coalition of Arab and Muslim states who all have much to fear from a destablized Pakistan. I think he could form a coalition that could be very effective in rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq.
Bustednuckles @ 24
“Cowards” is the word I muttered under my breath while reading of those who shot these girls and then ran away.
“Coward” is the word to use for anyone who thinks violence is the way to solve problems.
And Al-Quaid wasn’t in Iraq until Bush attacked that country. Way to go Big Guy!
Thanks. Great post.
I think this is an important post. Maybe it could reach some of the 30% who still follow or Maximum War Leader blindly in the abyss, or at least shame some GOP lawmakers into finally abandoning ship. And you know that all remaining sane GOP leaders must abandon the Cheney/bush ship, otherwise their party is finished.
And now we have more tragic news today -Cheney/bush has said it will explore ways to reduce troop levels in Iraq, IF the security situation improves. How can we explain to the 30% US deadenders that the security will NEVER improve with Cheney/bush policy because it is fundamentally flawed. No amount of national “will” can change that. I wonder they typical neocon relies on their steely power of will after they pour water into their car’s gas tank, and then sit their wondering why it doesn’t move. Do they blame passers by for not having positive thoughts about their car?. It is exactly the same situation. It is been psychological pathological magical thinking for these guys, since before the invasion, and after. If the allies had taken this long to correct their mistakes, we would have lost WWII -maybe we should try that line since they love world war analogies so much.
Is there anyway Congress can force the administration to start negotiations, real serious good faith negotiations, on a new approach in Iraq with all Iraq factions, and all Iraq’s neighbors, maybe think about stop taking their money, quit the US crony capitalist and arrogant dictatorial attitude that is alienating the Iraqis and potential international allies and preventing them helping with reconstruction and security? Can Congress pass a law stripping the administration of its international powers wrt to the Middle East on the basis of total incompetence?
The choices have narrowed to withdraw with great risk of bad stuff happening to withdraw in the midst of disaster. Cheney/bush seems to be aiming for the latter alternative.
PS: I have a request for a legal posts on the presidential power and US Attorney appointments. I have been trying for follow some posts on The Next Hurrah, but having a hard time to put things together from what’s on that blog. Apparently this ‘President’s pleasure’ line on absolute executive power to do whatever the heck he wants with the US Attorneys is not true. The Constitution apparently specifically provides for Congressional say in delegation of authority, and rules regarding their tenure, and there are even dang laws been written about it, put down on paper and everything.
So, if this is true, why have the Democratic leaderships not explained this to the public? Why is it that all we hear is “President’s pleasure” over and over again on the TV news? I can’t quite follow what the legal mavens are saying over at the The Next Hurrah, but from what I think I understand, the public is grotesquely misinformed about the relevant law.
I’d appreciate a post or two explaining the constitutional and legal framework, or if one has been posted and I missed it, let me know.
I also believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan remain our big threat, especially the porous stateless tribal mountainous borders between these two countries. This terrain defeated the Soviets. It also defeated Genghis Khan.
China is also a threat but for entirely different reasons. That’s a narrative for another day.
George Bush is the biggest coward of all.
Via @ 99
Pakistan is destabilized, and the clock is running down. Think Taliban with nuclear weapons.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
War should be a last resort. Quite frankly, I was surprised. I thought we would use our intel to track down Osama and company and bring the appropriate people, the people directly involved, “to justice.”
Instead, we invaded 2 countries, put up an enormous smokescreen over the real events of 911, shamelessly pimped that event to stoke war fever, and still no Osama.
That’s how naive I was. Even with the Bush administration.
Virtually everything they have done since 9/11 has defied what I characterize as common sense in terms of dealing with terrorism. But then, competent governance is not the agenda. How little I knew, how little I understood . . . then.
fahrender @ 95
It’s a mission that may take ten or twelve years, much as preparing the ground for an invasion of Iraq did. It’s not that we’re going to send infantry across the Afghanistan, Iraq border, it’s that we’re going to do things like monkey around with “regime-change” projects, like the terrorists we’ve been sending from Baluchistan (I believe) into Iran, or the MEK (has anyone seen, by the way, that new “map” of Iran?). It’s about pressing advantages opportunistically, wherever they arise, whether through bases or terrorist fomentation of ethnic strife within Iran.
Gnome de Plume @ 104
Yes he is. And a bully and a spoiled brat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 101
And Al-Quaid still isn’t there in fact. The fact that a bunch of Yahoo’s call them selves Al-Quaid in Iraq doesn’t make it so but it is sure good propaganda.
Gnome de Plume @ 97
wasn’t that fun?! Right afterwards, it was also revealing to see/hear the blitzed one’s buddies pattin’ him on the back for having survived a “live” interview with the dreaded Mooremonster. way-to-go-wolfie.
anyone notice the little puddle under his chair? /snark
I know, Steve, but what other options do we have? Of course, a much heightened police/intelligence push in Pakistan, but if we don’t have the support of others in the region…..?
Afghanistan’s Counter Narcotics Minister Resigns Weeks After Bumper Poppy Crop
Badwater @ 86
Heh. Too good a job IMO.
realworld @ 110
Instead of al-Qaeda, I call them al-Kinda. Hmmm, that sounds like a bumper sticker idea.
Via @ 111
It may be too late:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) — Cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the leader at the center of the week-long Red Mosque siege in Islamabad, has been killed, Pakistan’s Interior Ministry told CNN.
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Ghazi’s body was recovered shortly after he was killed in an exchange of fire between Pakistani forces and militants holed up in the mosque, the ministry said.
The ongoing operation at the Red Mosque, or Lal Masjid, began around 16 hours ago after talks to end the siege peacefully failed. Ghazi and his militants refused to surrender, saying they preferred martyrdom.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf…..index.html
Personally, the invasion of Afghanistan to find Bin Laden and clear out the Taliban made no sense to me, and I was against it. However, seen as part of the PNAC plan to isolate and eventually invade Iran, the invasion is perfectly logical. The whole plan seems to me wicked and unAmerican, but so does the whole PNAC crowd.
It makes me nervous that a third US Navy aircraft carrier (Enterprise)is heading towards the Persian Gulf (Yahoo News). On the one hand, I believe the Bush regime is up to more no good. On the other hand, if I were an islamofascist terrorist leader, hostile to the U.S., and with lots of suicide bombers at my disposal, I might be thinking along the lines of “Oh goody! 3 sitting ducks!”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Another ‘fierce pacifist’!
Pleased to share the toobz, if i may. ;->
Phoenix Woman @ 67
I’m frankly mortified by comments like this, with this cavalier notion that we just just go in and “help the Afghans’ transition”, without any thought as to what “helping” entails or whether there might be some darker motives there. See my #22 and follow from there.
I read this site and its comments for expert commentary, mostly on politics and the law. It’s time to acknowledge, however, that none of us are experts on Afghanistan. It’s a black hole. We don’t know what the fuck is up there, but there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of our presence after four years there, an invasion of Iraq and a yearned for at. We can do without focus-tested Democratic boilerplate circa 2004.
I can’t even wrap my head around being so evil that it would be a simple matter to kill children,and do so willfully and gleefully.
If there is any God so nasty that he/she/it would condone such a thing,I think I’d rather take my chances as a godless heathen.
brendan @ 98
obviously I lack your extensive expertise in military strategizing, but I will not countenance your sneering dismissal of saving Afghan women and girls from lifelong oppression and brutality under the Taliban as “offering Afghanistan’s young women an exciting new range of educational and career choices.”
And let us not forget the context in which these young girls were going to school. Here’s a quick reminder, an AP story from yesterday, on how young “Afghan girls are traded like currency to settle debts.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19680546/
The Taliban is categorically opposed to the education of women; it targets the schools that teach girls and women. It targets those girls and women. There appear to be improvements in women’s rights in Afghanistan, in some places, but between the Taliban’s hostility to women and the ancient customs of using women to settle disputes, Afghanistan is a hard, hard place to be female. I remember clearly how BushCo blabbed and blabbed, shortly after 9/11, that in going into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, we would be helping Afghani women. I haven’t heard that kind of talk in years. A lot of good we’re doing now.
And I meant to add that to show how weak the US is militarily – Canada, of all places, is ramping up to confront the US oil interests in the Northwest Passage. So yes, perhaps it is all about oil.
When this is all over, Hollywood can create another conspiracy movie, like Who Framed Roger Rabbit. ;-)
I think the heated rhetoric directed at other commenters ill-serves the case being made. Can we please dial back the charges of naivete and bad faith?
OT-Biden’s on fire on c-span2. Slapping Down McCain’s arguments.
That poor child. This is heartbreaking.
Brendan @ 118:
OK, I completely agree with you on this point.
brendan @ 118
It’s a ‘black hole’ alright…of OIL.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI203A.html
Rumors getting hotter re: Halliburton and Madam:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..10228/1771
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
There we have the critical point. Liberating Afghanistan from the Taliban might or might not have been practical in the abstract, but ANYTHING under Shit Midas was going to turn out a disaster. Bush has a gift that way.
ot, fierce thunderstorm here in the nation’s capital.
I don’t think God likes what he sees down here.
Remember Laura Bush grandstanding about women’s rights and how she was championing them in Afghanistan?
Where is she now? We haven’t heard a word from her.
The story of Shukira is devastating. All of the blood..all of it..lies in a great sea of blood at the feet of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. All of it.
Impeach them all.
oddmommy @ 119
Is that what I was dismissing? Do you think the likelihood of helping these women at this point is greater or lesser with the presence of American troops there? There’s a reason Medecins sans Frontieres don’t affiliate themselves with the occupier.
I’m not “strategizing”: I’m analyzing the strategizing of militaristic psychopaths. And I’m not “sneering” at humanitarians, but rather at the notion that our invasion of Afghanistan was, or ever could be, part of soem humantarian venture.
yellowdogD @ 124
He’s doing a great job.
oddmommy @ 130
Fixed.
Ooooh, speakin’ of thunderstorms, CNN airing Moore’s comments right now.
USAToday/Gallup Poll taken 7/6-8/07 has found approval of President Bush at 29%, disapproval at 66%. This is the first time Gallup has found approval of President Bush below 30%. My approval trend estimate now stands at 27.7%.
While other polls have fallen into the 20s in recent weeks, Gallup had not done a survey since mid-June. Gallup on average falls 1.26 percentage points above the trend estimate, so the new reading is quite consistent with both the trend and the house effect.
The trend estimate has now held below 30% for the last 7 polls, despite two of those polls coming in at 31% and 32%. Unless something reverses the current downward trend, it is likely that President Bush will see a range of polling over the next couple of weeks ranging from 23% to 33% but with most in the 20s. That is a poisonous level of support for Republicans in Congress, where support for the President’s policies has continued to erode.
Republican support in the latest poll is at 68%, only the 2nd time Gallup has found Republican support below 70% during the Bush administration.
Other indicators in the new poll are also bleak for the White House. A full 66% in the poll say Bush should not have intervened in the Libby case, with 13% saying commutation was the right thing to do, while 6% would have preferred a full pardon. This confirms earlier “instant” polls that found low levels of support for the commutation. And for the first time, over 60% of the sample says that it was a mistake to invade Iraq: 62%.
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Bush’s new way
to be announced in Cleveland
http://www.cleveland.com/news/…..amp;coll=2
More of the same
NOOOOOO!
Lou Costello at #126:
Iran is quite enough of an explanation by itself, though I’ll look at the links.
LS @ 132
I agree that all need to be impeached but I believe that we need to concentrate on one at a time beginning with Gonzo. He needs to go so that the DOJ cannot be used to stop every investigation. How can we really do the most good? Letters to Congress, to committees etc. I think we need to focus on ONE right now.
LS @ 132
you know, folks talk about things like impeachment “tables,” etc…..I wish there were a Stephen-King like way to flood the Capitol, and the white house, and all the other clean white buildings and streets of “power” in this city with oceans and rivers of blood.
BTW, the US is occupying Iraq now, but I for one do not believe that the original mission of the US was to occupy Afghanistan.
Twain @ 139
I entirely agree with you.
snowbird42 @ 138
Bush’s new way
Same as the old way
It’s his way
Or the highway
Afghanistan is the forgotten war–it gets little press- but there is an uptick in “taliban” activity there- and an uptick in violence from all sources. We have killed lots of Afghans lately by using bombs to attack suspected Taliban sites- turns out there were lots of non-taliban there- we don’t apologize- we just say that it’s the Taliban’s fault for hiding amongst the innocent- and so it goes. I have no idea what should be done there- More troops as Christy suggests, less troops, more money, less money- another government? Beats me.
snowbird42 @ 137
What did poor Cleveland do to deserve this?
dubba’s minions already stole our votes!?!
GO. HOME. DUBBA.
Go cut brush at 120 degrees up to yer neck in west TX floods!
GO!! SHOO!!!
The highway to hell.
Agree about Gonzo- he’s lied to congress more than once- get rid of him. Demand a resignation- then demand a firing- and if the prez refuses- fry his ass. This one’s pretty damned clear- don’t see how goopers could support him anymore. Good chance of success I should think.
Biodun @ 141
Right. I think the “original” mission is exactly what was orchestrated from the beginning. The mission failed and is still incomplete. Also, in the mission is to take down Iran and Syria. Popular sentiment may have thrown the wrench in the middle of it. Dictators though they are, they cannot accomplish their agenda without public support.
Adie @ 145
LOL!! That’s my hometown. Stay away from my peeps, shrubbie!
TeddySanFran @ 123
Been lurking on this one. You’re right, of course, TSF. But it’s a good example of how tightly wound we all are. One more BushCo legacy. Division. Everywhere. Pass the calming meds.
rwcole @ 147
Yeah.. I’ve written to my senators and congresscritter repeatedly, saying as much.. that if we can’t get rid of Gonzo — who pretty much admitted to lying repeatedly –then we might as well amend the constitution to get rid of impeachment. If he doesn’t quit, he needs to be removed. If we can’t force him out or remove him, then the rule of law is kaput
rwcole @ 144
We’re also dropping bombs in Pakistan.
Everything we do under the neocon regime turns to blood and shit and we need to cease, everywhere. We need to wrap our minds around the fact that we are considered “the greatest threat to world peace” not because the rest of the world are petulant francophile weaklings, but because we’re, well, the greatest threat to world peace. That wasn’t always the case, but for it not to be the case now and in the future we need to abandon this reflexive notion that we’re ontologically good and that our military presence is anything but malign.
Please note the gallup numbers above on the Libby commutation. These are actually worse than the previous reads in which nearly 40% thought that there should be either a full pardon or a commutation- now only 19% say that- if he was hoping for an uptick in support- Clusterfuck didn’t get it- his current numbers are hideous.
TeddySanFran @ 123
I never made the charge of bad faith. But I have to stick with the charge of “naivete”. I hardly think that’s “overheated”.
I run a program for high school immigrants and refugees. Five years ago we had our first student with almost no formal schooling. She was an Afghan girl who had been taught to read and write using a stick in the dirt, where the letters and words could easily be erased if Taliban came. She was then in some sort of British-run or NATO-run school for older girls, perhaps peace-corps or something of the sort. (All the girls were members of families that were leaving Afghanistan.) She came to Texas a year after that and was my student for a year. Amazing thirst for knowledge. Amazing young lady.
At the time, we were all excited about the new horizons and new possibilities opening up for these girls in their own country. I cry to read stories like this.
Christy, thank you so much for shining light on this horrible situation.
DefendOurConstitution @ 131
In her room at the Adams-Hayes, whiskey bottles strewn about…
brendan
I don’t like seeing us bomb innocents and blame others- on the other hand- if NATO leaves- I suppose the Taliban comes back- is that OK?
althespook @ 5
Oops – ‘non-Catholic’ – that’s not me. Why do I feel I’ll always be Catholic.
He is a fucking idiot. I’m writing up a piece on the Vatican urging “all Catholics” to knock Amnesty International off their list because AI (according to Cardinal Renato Martino) is promoting abortion.
Such antiwoman bullshit! The young girl at the top of the page could be my daughter, same dark hair and eyes. I just don’t get it.
“We have a plan to lead to victory,” Bush said today as reported by NPR.
Victory for Bush, I think, means to run out the clock and dump the responsibility for Iraq on to his successor.
oddmommy @ 9:35 Thank you! You said that a lot better (and more nicely) than I could have. And thank you, Christy, for highlighting this.
brendan @ 152
I gotta agree with you on that. Except, speaking for myself, I have *never* had a reflexive notion that American military presence is good. Never.
I may be wrong, but from what little I understand of it, the situation in north and central Afghanistan may lend itself more than the situation in Iraq to a long-term UN stabilization force, perhaps with Central Asian or even Chinese involvement (now that they do that sort of thing), along their respective borders. The US owns the situation in the southeast… which is more Iraq-like.
Bush kidnapped our troops immediately after CNN showed the Afghans giving candy out to kids partying in the streets after the events of 911. The MSM showed video after video of these Afghans, in between videos of the towers coming down. This enabled Bush to get the kind of response he was looking for and he immediatly took the troops out before he should have. The MSM is the most responsible for the mess today. Bush could not have done it without them. And I remember Wolfie was right in the middle of it all. Take this guy and the rest of them off the air.
Killings little girls, indeed!
Brace yourselves boys and girls- we’re about to get a new torrent of Bush speeches- this time sayin all the same ol shit again about Iraq…
No one wants the troops more than him an Laura- but the job just ain’t done yet- darn it- an the surge has only just now started –at full strength at least- an even if those darned ol benchmarks ain’t been hit- well there’s a LOT of GOOD bein done by them US forces an we need ta give em a chance to win this gosh darned war fer us- how bout it folks- shall we let em WIN? (uproarious applause from VOFW members packed behind him- those that can turn on their hearin aids anyway!
Adie @ 145
East Texas floods, please! Or central Texas, at any rate. (West Texas has to work hard for its floods, and they’re very localized.) I believe the faux ranch is actually not far from Waco.
Ditto here.
I am looking at my daughters picture on the wall from when she was about ten.
I want to cry.
rwcole @ 157
What would you like to do about it? I don’t get this tenacious refusal to acknowledge or failures. We can’t exert positive influence with our military, so we need to abandon all such efforts.
You could make the same argument about Iraq: do we want the Mahdi army and that ghoul al-Sadr running Iraq? Well, tough shit, it’s out of our hands, and a lot of little girls a lot like Shukria are going to suffer.
Every civilizationally superior occupier is appalled at the lengths the occupied will go to free themselves. We’re not different, nor are we immune to the laws of history.
Also, this new Rpublican of the DC Madam goes public with “he has confessed his sin”. What kind of crap is that! He busted up the vows of his marriage. In the political world, we don’t talk about sins. He’s up for re-election in 2010. He had better start looking for a job now.
Hugh @ 159
“Plan for Victory”? Reminds me of another psychopath. A friend, as a teenager, was interned in Germany during WWII. He remembers the out-door loud speakers yelling about the secret plans for victory as the American bombs exploded.
Blub @ 162
You may, indeed, be right. I’m no expert. But what makes me so stridently opposed to our presence there is that it’s become a staging ground for attacks on Iran.
rwcole @ 157
Morning rw – Then this won’t make you happy.
Tomgram: Carnage from the Air and the Washington Consensus
From yesterday. Brutal read.
rwcole @ 164
(A) who cares what Laura wants?
(B) is MSM still bothering to broadcast these speeches? I can’t imagine even they want to provoke their audiences into throwing heavy objects at their TV screens
(C) is ANYBODY buying the ‘troops will come out WHEN the security situation improves’ meme he’s all about now?
ccmask @ 168
It needs to be said over and over that he committed a CRIME. I suppose sin will take care of itself but this creep broke the law !
Brendan
I thought I made it clear that I don’t have a firm opinion about what to do about it. It seems to me that you are reflexively assuming that things are always better when US forces leave—but I see no real arguments for that- just a lot of steam and no substance.
I’d be happy to consider your arguments.
brendan at 22 — Well, considering I just got back from my rheumatologist’s office for one of my many follow-up appointments for my autoimmune disorder, I doubt the Army would take me. Frankly, with my joint issues, I’d be unsafe for any unit that would have me, to be honest. So playing the “so enlist” card is asinine. To your point, however — did I say we needed vast amount of troops? No. Did I say they were mismanaged? Yes. Pulled out for the folly in Iraq? you betcha. That we made promises that we swiftly broke? Yeppers. That we should not do so because Afghanistan has been the dumping ground for browken promises for years? Yes siree. That they deserve better — and that the Bush Administration ought to be held to account for their failure to adequately plan and their utter failure and contempt for any real follow-through? Yep.
We did not finish the job in Afghanstan. We created a little pocket of sanity in a bunkered Kabul, and left the rest of the country to fight it out amongst themselves. And we ought to be honest and up front about that. And the Bush Administration should be held to account for it — because no matter their sycophant’s claims that things are going swimmingly there, they most decidedly are not, and have not been for some time. I’d like accountability for the lies and the obfuscations, and especially for all of the promises that we made that we then ignored — just like the promises that were made by the Bush Administration to the Gulf Region of the US that have been likewise left in the dust by the Bushies. So, your problem with that is what, exactly?
Twain @ 173
RevDeb said that nothing will happen to him. What is this crap??? The rethugs can impeach a dem president for personal sexual impropriety, but this guy gets a free ’sin’ pass for being a John?
Hope the “plan” doesn’t include nuclear stuff, since we are running out of soldiers and enlistees.
More info on ‘The Black Hole’ of Afghanistan: the TALIBAN and UNOCAL.
Mornin’ Christy.
Ol’ Uncle Arthur has been kicking my *ss lately too, I feel for you.
To the list of sick cowards I would add:
T. McVeigh & those who aided him
Those who attempt to destroy women’s clinics & drs
Those who attempt to destroy churches not their own
Those who use rhetoric to rile up our home grown violence prone bigots & hatred filled extremists via tv & radio
Oklahoma kiddo @ 176
So what better time to test our “Tactical Nukes” huh ??
Twain @ 173
It is definitely not a crime. The Statute of Limitations has run on that one so it can’t be a crime. So I guess it goes back to being a sin which only God can forgive.
The broader problem is, that it is not Bush, though he and Shooter are the cancer growing on the Presidency right now. The problem is that the Rethugs leat by Raygun saw too it that research money for alternative fules were eliminated with the stroke of a pen. We (America) could solve this entire problem in a little over 3 weeks if we wanted to, but the Bush gang needs war and suffering at home and abroad. And that’s what killed this young woman. As long as the oil companies run things in this country, nothing is going to change
rwcole @ 174
Under Cheney and Bush things are always better when when US forces leave. Uncategorically.
Under other administrations, not always, but we should err on the side of skepticism.
Steam and no substance? We’re staging terrorist attacks inside Iran from Afghan territory and bombing inside Pakistan. Isn’t that enough evidence that something is trayf?
OT, but:
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..campaign_3
McCain says he “fired” campaign chief, chief says he quit. two other top staffers leave in protest.
The good news: McCain is going back to that bazaar in iraq where he’s heard you can get good deals on “campaign staff”…
The more I think about it, I don’t think we can just leave Afghanistan.. or rather, I don’t think the world can…. unfortunately, the rest of the world won’t help so long as we’re mucking up Iraq. So the solution may be that we need to severely draw down Iraq, leading to a full withdrawal (which several leading experts have suggested would actually help the situation there, in the mid-to-long term… Maliki be darned), and then mobilize the world community, especially Central Asian states, Pakistan and China, to whom the prospect of a triumphant Taliban should be terrifying, to work alongside us to stabilize Afghanistan.
ccmask @ 168
Randall Tobias, the State Department Bush appointee and foreign aid abstinence czar revealed to be on the list in April, resigned. Vitter must also resign.
Read this paragraph wrt Vitter, from an article on the USA Today blog, written by Mike Carney (Full article at the Link) I wonder if good ole Mr. Carney was as easy on Vitter as he was on Clinton? And who is that pollster Bernie Pinsonat? I never heard of him.
SNIP
Vitter was serving in the House when he came into contact with the escort service, which served wealthy men in and around the nation’s capital for more than a decade. Political handicappers don’t expect the revelations to have much of an effect on the 2010 elections, when the freshman senator’s seat comes up again. “Voters will probably give him a second chance,” pollster Bernie Pinsonat tells the The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune.
snip
P J Evans @ 165
Trust me that South Central Texas has had more than enough rain and flooding for the time being.
The scary thing is, that Bush, who, as far as I’m concerned, is not the President, might invade Iran just to get a response so that he can declare martial law in America (he stabbed us in the back once, why not again). State of siege. That means he’s still the thug in chief.
Impeach now.
Three weeks? Yikes- I’d love to see THAT one.
I would think that it’s possible to reduce world usage of oil by 50% over time- say ten years- that would double the life of the recoverable petroleum and give us an opportunity to begin aggressively planning for it’s absence.
California is begining construction of some large scale solar generating farms that have huge potential..Ya have to start building the things in order to stimulate the REAL research into production savings and performance improvements that will make the things economically viable…with the production of a few farms- California will outpace germany as the greenest state in the world.
Brendan
I don’t find the argument “We can’t trust it cause Bush is leading it” compelling..
In 18 months someone else will be leading it- hopefully someone with more than a lick of sense.
Fresh thread for everyone.
althespook @ 185
McCain is past it. He’s around the bend and down the road aways and he still doesn’t know it. Today during the debate he talked so much about Vietnam that it wasn’t always clear that he knew which war was occurring now.
Blub @ 176
Times-Picayune commenters last nite were talking up the money in Jefferson’s freezer. See what happens when you don’t clean house, Nancy?
Vitter’s sanctimony about marriage disqualifies him to serve another day; this isn’t his first run-in with hookers, either.
dakine01 @ 189
Absolutely true.
And yes, Crawford is near Waco.
rwcole @ 191
Yah! Unfortunately the farm in question is only 60mw.. According to one recent study, the state could generate 5-10 gw if we paneled roofs in the cities. Oh.. can please we turn the OC into a big solar farm too??? All of it…
TeddySanFran @ 195
Damn right TSF
LibertyLee @ 182
Actually, it is still a crime; just not prosecutable due to the Statute of Limitations expiring which leaves the only available punishment community opprobrium.
Very brief ThinkProgress post: U.S. lawmakers prevented from leaving Green Zone
(emphasis mine)
Great post.
Been too busy of late shuttling between Australia and India on a consultancy to have much time to post any comments though I access the postings. Today happens to be the second day of a welcome break for a week or so.
Taking on Iran? – a very plausible scenario. Bush is a bully who seeks simplistic revenge. Saddam ‘almost killed his daddy’ and Iran, of course, threw out the Shah and thus bested that ‘greatest’ democracy ever. Besides, he might look at this as the last ditch attempt to shore up his role of being ‘a commander guy’ in a unitary executive.
Iran is too big, even bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan put together for a conventional military attack. The volunteer army is too stretched by now for an even bigger front. The only attack plan has to be nuclear, probably launched from Diego Garcia.
Can somebody please explain to me why the ‘greatest’ democracy invests its plurality of citizens, so opposed to all this idiocy, with such political impotence? Why do Presidential hopefuls ‘parade’ (to borrow from R Nader) to their electoral base in complete vapidity of real policy visions and boast about money to build political capital? Its almost as if its money that gets them elected rather than people.
Its more fundamental than any moneyed lobby aka A*P*C. This is about explaining the zeitgeist in terms of its underlying societal dynamics that shapes such political disempowerment and lets its vision of ‘greatness’ to be hijacked by a psychopathic drunkard with a penchant for sodomising frogs with firecrackers. BTW while the right was busy smearing Kerry with lies, where was the other side that asked no question as to Cheney’s political bent when so much was known from public records dating back to Iran-Contra days?
Dissent and protest are democratic rights but political impotence of a plurality of citizenry is a democratic disempowerment.
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Bush is killing little girls in Iraq and in our own country for that matter. Just ask the parents of deceased children who had no health care.
He is no better only dressed more cleanly than the taliban.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 175
That’s not a fair response. I didn’t suggest you personally enlist, while for you to make me out to be a cad for not knowing about your illness is manipulative.
On the other hand, the “go enlist” card is hardly “asinine”. The ad hominem “chickenhawk” argument is so effective because it’s so true, and fair. Offering prescriptions for where to send more “resources” (i.e., bombs and soldiers) isn’t usually malign, especially when it comes from the people here (as opposed the people at AEI), but it is unthinking and naive.
You’ve missed the whole point of my criticism. I’m arguing that four years later we have enough evidence that we invaded Afghanistan out of bad faith. Continuing our presence there only exacerbates the danger of an attack on Iran, while stimulating an insurgency that will inevitably include the kinds of people who shoot little girls. I also make the point that you’re glossing over the bomb damage we’re doing with things like this insistently repeated phrase “finish the job”.
Other people addressed my points without getting unduly upset or calling me “asinine”. Some even agreed with me.
The only thing that saddens me more than this post are the comments in this thread. Usama is indeed a rotten fundamentalist just like many in our country.. But he is not even listed on the FBI web site as wanted person for either attack on the WTC 90’s or ‘01. Because he didn’t have any direct involvement!
How dare we think of anyone else as a threat when we are the worst threat in the world with fresh blood daily all over our face.. How dare we be so damned arrogant to assume yet again we have any noble position or mission in Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter…
Until we put away our arms and cool our jets, restore our constitution and leadership with people who honor it… nothing else should matter.
We are the monsters that need to be put in check first.
You’re damned right. I’m anti the Iraq horror as I am most useless wars but I was and remain steadfast in my support for intervention in Afghanistan. No matter the reason for the rise of the Taliban in the first place, the reality that existed well before 9/11 was that this group of medieval “thinkers” harbored like minded individuals and provided a safe haven for al Qaeda and other backwards jihadists. America should have finished the job including going into Pakistan to mop up what was left of this scum.
althespook @ 185
California Republicans have some extra H-1B visas for sale, for loyal bushie Iraqis.
Splicer @ 205
I don’t know about the going into Pakistan bit.. there’s other problems there, but we really needed to deal with Afghanistan correctly.. and we didn’t. We may still have a chance to do, but ONLY under UN aegis, and that means getting out of Iraq.. if we don’t resolve Iraq, then the rest of the world won’t help us in Afghanistan.
sona at #201:
You say, “Iran is too big, even bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan put together for a conventional military attack. The volunteer army is too stretched by now for an even bigger front. The only attack plan has to be nuclear, probably launched from Diego Garcia.”
This is wrong. We’re staging terrorist attacks within Iran through proxies from, among other places, Afghanistan.
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I’m listening to an NPR program with Dr. Nora Volkov (sp) of the National Institute on Drug Abuse discussing addiction and addictive drugs.
The significant thing she’s said is that Marijuana is NOT “the gateway drug”, Nicotine (in cigarettes) IS.
She has got to be invited to the Lake for a discussion.
rwcole @ 192
Then how about the argument that we can’t trust it because Cheney is leading it?
In all serious, that’s how bad it is. Under other presidents, our foreign policy is meddlesome enough (we laid the groundwork for invading Iraq under Clinton, for example), but these people are real extremists. You should hardly need me to tell you that.
brendan at 202 — You said:
There is no proviso exempting me from this comment that I see. In fact, it seems to be directed at me in the context in which it was written. Thus the response.
And, as I have talked a LOT about my joint issues, I had no idea that you were unaware of them. In fact, you misread my entire post. In your mind sending more “resources” appears to only mean bombs and guns, as opposed to humanitarian aid, building assistance, or any of the other bazillions of things that the US and other nations routinely add into the package in this type of situation (which has, btw, been underutilized by these morons because Rummy and Cheney wanted to bypass the state department entirely), is not my fault. The fact that there are better uses for both our military and humanitarian assets and resources — and that said resources ought to have been put to work for the rebuilding of Afghanistan’s infrastructure because we promised them that we would be doing just that when we went in is an issue of accountability — and of moral authority, which the Bush Administration has forfeited in spades.
This is a shades of gray situation, where often one move ripples out into a myriad of problems both forseeable and unforseeable. The Bush Administration has made the error from day one of seeing this only as black versus white, good versus evil. Don’t make the same mistake that they have.
Want a good laugh??
105 balloons put lawn chair pilot in air
BEND, Ore. – Last weekend, Kent Couch settled down in his lawn chair with some snacks — and a parachute. Attached to his lawn chair were 105 large helium balloons.
Destination: Idaho.
With instruments to measure his altitude and speed, a global positioning system device in his pocket, and about four plastic bags holding five gallons of water each to act as ballast — he could turn a spigot, release water and rise — Couch headed into the Oregon sky.
Nearly nine hours later, the 47-year-old gas station owner came back to earth in a farmer’s field near Union, short of Idaho but about 193 miles from home.
“When you’re a little kid and you’re holding a helium balloon, it has to cross your mind,” Couch told the Bend Bulletin.
Splicer @ 205
“Steadfast”, “intervention”, “mop up”. No amount of euphemism can conceal what’s essentially a bloodthirsty, though thankfully idle, fantasy.
We didn’t catch or kill them and it’s too late to do so through military “intervention”: international resistance to us includes harboring the Taliban and Al Quaeda. In reality, our military intervention probably continues only because it serves the objective of attacking Iran.
This may be a little late, but if you want to help in a concrete way, you can donate to the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan http://www.rawa.org They’ve been around for a long time and take credit card donations.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 211
There is no proviso exempting me from this comment that I see. In fact, it seems to be directed at me in the context in which it was written. Thus the response.
And, as I have talked a LOT about my joint issues, I had no idea that you were unaware of them. In fact, you misread my entire post. In your mind sending more “resources” appears to only mean bombs and guns, as opposed to humanitarian aid, building assistance, or any of the other bazillions of things that the US and other nations routinely add into the package in this type of situation (which has, btw, been underutilized by these morons because Rummy and Cheney wanted to bypass the state department entirely), is not my fault. The fact that there are better uses for both our military and humanitarian assets and resources — and that said resources ought to have been put to work for the rebuilding of Afghanistan’s infrastructure because we promised them that we would be doing just that when we went in is an issue of accountability — and of moral authority, which the Bush Administration has forfeited in spades.
This is a shades of gray situation, where often one move ripples out into a myriad of problems both forseeable and unforseeable. The Bush Administration has made the error from day one of seeing this only as black versus white, good versus evil. Don’t make the same mistake that they have.
Don’t you see that part of the resistance to military force will include sabotaging the civilian government and, more generally, governance? That includes sabotaging humanitarian efforts, particularly if they come from the U.S. Don’t you see a parallel between Iraq and Afghanistan in that regard? As long as we’re using military force in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly simultaneously, you can’t divorce military from humanitarian effort, unless you do so scrupulously under the aegis of a non-affilitated organization. Nor can you divorce motive from all this. You didn’t even address what should by now be a startlingly obvious point: we want to attack Iran. For that reason alone we won’t leave, and for that reason any aid we administer will be rightly yoked in Afghans’ minds with our military occupation.
By the way, I guess the proviso was meant to be “service age”, which I should have extended to include “and fit”. Otherwise I’ll stick to that particular ad hominem argument.
brendan @ 208
Yes, we all know that the world over, however, this is not going to ‘win’ Iran or its oil reserves and is likely to strengthen the bearded gang and Ahmadinejads – hardly a hard headed ‘victory’ strategy which was already battle tested in Afghanistan when the proxies were the Talibans who ended up being bought by Saudi money through Al Qaeda.
You do not answer my real question – how do you explain the greatness of a democracy where a plurality of the electorate experience disempowerment.
brendan @ 133
amen to this.
there wasn’t a pony in afghanistan either. we could see it was pretty clearly going to be a disaster for the people of afghanistan as soon as we saw who our allies were (see dostum), not to mention our use of cluster bombs, refusing to a cease-fire for polio vaccinations.
one can condemn the taliban…. and recognize that the usa war plans weren’t going to help the people.
CHS at #211:
You say,
“The fact that there are better uses for both our military and humanitarian assets and resources — and that said resources ought to have been put to work for the rebuilding of Afghanistan’s infrastructure because we promised them that we would be doing just that when we went in is an issue of accountability — and of moral authority, which the Bush Administration has forfeited in spades.”
“We promised them”? What on earth does that mean? Who is “we” and who is “them”, and do you have a link to this “promise”? This is just a variation on what supposedly humanitarian “liberal hawks” would say about Iraq, where the same implicit “promises” were also supposedly made. For a lawyer, the way you talk about our foreign policy is very hazy.
And our “moral authority” lapsed along time ago, if any such thing even exists, and if we ever had it. This is, once again, the kind of hazy but pernicious platitude that accompanied our invasion of Iraq (after eight years of presumably morally authorized sanctions and starvation of that country that had the additional flaw of being a contributing cause of us being attacked on 9-11).
It’s the terms we use and continue to reiterate and accept them as “fact”. Just what does Nation Building entail? I don’t want a generalized sentence. I want to know all the key points in bringing this about based on NO assumptions.
I can participate in building my own nation but I certainly can’t in building another nation. Life is about a lot more than economics and military dominance. And, that seems to be the objective in Nation Building.
Can we give assistance to another country in times of disaster? You bet and with little interference of their natural order. NGOs do this all the time. Once we interfere with them, we weaken the culture and they are susceptible to famine, war, poverty, etc.
Anthropologists know the fragility of interfering with another culture. Once you live among a people, it is difficult to disrespect a ban or tribe that you live with and study their ways. When you go into another land to Nation Build, you better know every ban and tribal morays first because without that knowledge and understanding, you do irreparable harm to the people for generations.
When a people are ready to take the next step, they will do so on their own. There are island cultures that made the decision to no longer have wars because it was a lose-lose outcome for everyone. It may have taken them two thousand years to get there but they finally did. We still haven’t. Guess that makes them more civilized and advanced even if they don’t have electricity.
For what it’s worth – McCain has jumped the moon and is heading towards Uranus.
Karen @ 17
This sounds like what Murtha was suggesting and was billed as a “Slow Bleed.” This approach needs to be revived; perhaps if Odom or other high-profile anti-war generals were encouraged to contribute to a revision to make it more aggressive it would be successful.
TexB @ 212
Yeah, I’m sure landing a lawn chair in Hells Canyon would NOT be fun.
dakine01 @ 189
Hey! Big apologies to both you guys. I’m ignorant for sure, & I realize TX weather, water-use/needs situation is no laughing matter. We find the state fascinating, and the people there wonderful, well…, ‘cept prhaps one part-time-rznit. We spent a glorious week in Big Bend earlier this year and, believe me, we’ll be back before long ;->
Christy.
Beautiful post, and a fine dialogue that follows in the thread.
I might have appeared to skate above the fray, but I’m with you in my heart. I just can’t “go there” right now, or I’d not be able to climb out for… too long.
I just wanted you to know I appreciate your courage, clear voice and stamina. I looked at that little girl, and turned to mush inside.
#*&# this administration is unspeakably evil…
Lead the way, Hon. We’re comin’ along as best we can, honest. At least I fired off a lotta missives to a bunch-a congresscritters over their “holiday”…
THANK YOU so much for this diary.
I volunteer with an organization that operates schools (under certification from the Ministry of Education) in Kabul and Wardak provinces.
Our school in Wardak has been hit three times now. The first was a failed attempt to destroy it with an IED. The second and third times parts of the school were burned. (We are in the process of rebuilding part now, thanks to generous donations and the villagers who really want this school!)
Due to this violence, we have had to change the school to an all boys school for now. The villagers are scared to send their daughters there now…..
Afghanistan IS NOT THE SAME as Iraq. There is still a chance to help the Afghans rebuild their nation. And the AFGHANS WANT OUR HELP. (they do however not want 2000 lb bombs dropped on their villages!)
As for the discussion about ‘Nation Building’, think of the consequences of walking away from Afghanistan…..we did this after the Soviets left that nation, and look where it got us!
In Afghanistan I think the most important thing we can do to help is to provide the basics: power, water and education. The idea is to do this not by bringing in foreigners, but employing Afghans, the lack of jobs makes Afghans easy pickings for the Talbian who PAY THEM!
Please, do not forget Afghanistan, we may not ‘owe’ anyone anything, but having been there, and seeing first hand what our previous actions did to that nation, I for one am not willing to give up.
Afghans4Tomorrow
brendan @ 203
I think most agree that we needed to go into Afghanistan, and I think you, Christy and I agree that the manner that Bush handled this was horrible.
I do not agree that we should not be involved there. I agree with Christy’s view that being involved does not mean military operations alone!
In fact, I am stronly against the policy of NATO and the US where they lower themselves to the level of the Taliban by bombing villages, killing civilians, then blaming the Taliban for being among them.
I have friends in AFghanistan, I want to see improvement in their nation. It is going to take a long, long time to get them back to where they were in the 1970’s…..have some patience
This DOES NOT mean we replicate the US society there, the way to help successfully is to LISTEN to their needs, and do what we can to help.
kimoco:
Thanks for adding that. You sound like a selfless and physically brave person. Good luck.
It is critical to be addressing the brutality taking place in Afghanistan with detailed stories. If only the MSM would/could report about the atrocities taking place in Iraq in detail (tough when you can not leave the protected green zone). Some of these atrocities are happenning due to the tired and on edge American soldiers. No one documents the atrocities by the private killers in Iraq.
http://www.informationclearing…..e17985.htm
Thanks brendan….
I wish I could convince more people to learn more about AFghanistan. It is NOT the same situation as we have in Iraq.
I gotta say, I have never felt more welcome as I did when in Afghanistan. The place does something to everyone who goes there…..
I am not brave, I am just determined to do what I can as an individual to help fix some of the mess my nation created in Afghanistan. Sometimes it feels overwhelming, but at least I know that my time is well spent, as there are a few hundred children that are going to school in part due to my work.
rwcole @ 191
At worst, I misspoke. I was talking about the time it would take to put our boys and girls on an airplane in full battle gear and get them the hell home (overly optomistic). As for oil independence, I’m willing to bet there are patents that have been bought and shut up in a vault that would knock out our oil-dependence. Not in 3 weeks, you’re right, but over the next couple of years.
Personally these fundamentalist pieces of shit who kill girls should be smashed into fricking oblivion.
America’s invasion of Afghanistan was bullshit from the start siding with the so-called Northern Alliance psychotics against Group X psychotics and the opium shipped out of the country well I can imagine where half those profits went it’s all bullshit.
Is there a civilian militia to at the very least make a stand against these horrific attacks?
If we are unable to protect these people couldn’t we at least train them to protect themselves?