Imagine this:
You log onto your computer, pull up your web browser, and try to visit Fire Dog Lake. Except that typing in the URL gets you a curt message that this site is not available through your internet service provider unless you pay extra to your ISP.
You try to visit an open-source software site, but your ISP (which is in the for-profit software biz) blocks you from seeing it.
You’re trying to do research on your ISP’s business dealings, but your ISP blocks you from visiting a website that describes them in detail.
Sound far-fetched? Guess what — it’s already happening:
- In 2004, North Carolina ISP Madison River blocked their DSL customers from using any rival Web-based phone service.
- In 2005, Canada’s telephone giant Telus blocked customers from visiting a Web site sympathetic to the Telecommunications Workers Union during a contentious labor dispute.
- Shaw, a major Canadian cable, internet, and telephone service company, intentionally downgrades the “quality and reliability” of competing Internet-phone services that their customers might choose — driving customers to their own phone services not through better services, but by rigging the marketplace.
- In April, Time Warner’s AOL blocked all emails that mentioned www.dearaol.com – an advocacy campaign opposing the company’s pay-to-send e-mail scheme.
So how do we stop this? By speaking up and spreading the word.
We speak up to the FCC and let them know we want to preserve and protect Net Neutrality, the guiding principle of the Internet from its very beginnings. [UPDATE: And we make sure Congress knows what we want, too.]
We spread the word by letting family and friends know what’s at stake, and writing letters to the editor and getting on radio and TV call-in shows.
We have five days after today to make our voices heard — five days to preserve our Internet freedoms. You know what to do.





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foist?
drive by zed…couldn’t resist!
glad to see this!
OK. I will re-post and send the link to friends.
quick-draw TexB!
jayt @ 6
Just happened upon it.
I think Cheney may be in for a bad day…
http://www.legitgov.org/dc_mad…..90707.html
traffic on that site is going to go crazy…
Phoenix Woman!
Christy,
This is your State:
W.Va. suspends shows, sales after avian flu found in Va.
oh cool, my FB icon showed up :-)
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-808604
is where I posted previously about avian flu in Christy’s neighboring State of Virginia.
Added my comment this afternoon asking the FCC what they are afraid of.
althespook @ 8
Yes, indeedy. :-)
LoudounLib @ 11
you look pretty in blue
Hi Phoenix Woman!
dakine01 @ 13
Thanks very muchly!
Prof @ 12
And an update from neighboring Virginia: VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES
DIVISION OF ANIMAL AND FOOD INDUSTRY SERVICES STATE VETERINARIAN’S OFFICE
I am confused. Again.
I thought we just fought this battle with the house and/or senate. So, the FCC was the organization we should have been watching out for?
Or is my memory totally gone?
Don’t answer that last question.
Hi Friends!
PW — are you on fb?? Suspect you have many friend-wannabes in this here live audience.
Here is the facebook group for Defend Net Neutrality.
Huff Post has a link to the DC Madam’s release of her lists but the linky no worky. Anyone seen the lists yet and if so please provide link. Tanks!
Mary McCurnin @ 18
I believe your memory was serving you correctly. We did fight it in congress earlier but we are also having to fight the FCC as well. The FCC head just a couple of weeks ago declared that Net Neutrality was not an issue she cared about and that the “marketplace” needed to sort it out.
Just not something with any import that she needed to concern herself with. Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to see here.
The linked petition doesn’t work. You can’t chose a state or a Mr. Miss or Mrs. and both are required.
Noting when this is fixed would be appreciated. S
TexB @ 20
done!
newspaperbrat @ 22
The link @ 8 works
http://www.legitgov.org/dc_mad…..90707.html
newspaperbrat @ 21
I posted the link to CLG but the problem is the lists are gif files, big ones, scans of her phone bills, literally. No names, addresses, etc. so the CLG people are frantically recoding the gif to jpg and then doing the reverse lookup on the names and addresses. talk about staff work! the site says that as soon as they get the various names and stuff for a list they’ll post it.
here is linky again:
http://www.legitgov.org/dc_mad…..90707.html
Elliott @ 24
ditto!
Even JibJab’s getting into the act:
http://www.jibjab.com/view/167710
oddmommy @ 19
I’ve tried fb’ing but it doesn’t like my name. ;-(
Phoenix Woman @ 29
You can be PW Firedoglake
althespook @ 8
Just another reason why the corpos want to be able to control our internet axis.
Prof @ 10
Do not panic.
Prof @ 17
Sorry to be a PITA about this, but if anyone wants to keep abreast of the latest outbreak of avian influenza in turkeys (Virginia), FluTrackers.com has a thread on it.
Every mom-and-pop online business in America should be advocating for Net Neutrality. Just walked with the spaniels past a church sign that included its website…will traffic to “liberal” Protestant churches be slow-laned for the Robertson/Dobson or Opus Dei crowd?
This is a Net Neutrality issue. It is an economic issue. It is a government control of religion issue. It is a First Amendment issue. A Second Amendment issue. A….democracy issue.
The marketplace has shown itself untrustworthy and incapable of handling the keys to the car, much less “rules of the road.” We don’t need the Internet Enronized or Big Oiled.
I think Bush and Gates threw Dicky C. under the bus today.
Why was this meeting with Jewish community leaders not covered by the MSM
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2158
Mary McCurnin @ 18
Remember the name Senator Mark Lieber-lovin’ Pryor (D-AR) mentioned by PW earlier this afternoon? IIRC, Last December on cspan during a commerce committee hearing he said he thought it was a good idea to slice up the internet in four, five, or six pieces for military and industry use.. He was rather flip about it as if he were discussing how to slice up a pizza with the kids..
His mind is made up and I have never read one media question directed towards him on the issue nor has he responded to my or others direct letters asking him about the issue.
He will use internet porn as the fear based reason for regulating the internet (it’s one of his favorite issues in mailings to constituents).. watch for others to pull out the old Tipper – Lieberman maneuvers on this issue any day now.
RevDeb @ 31
Hmmmm. Just one page in each PDF, not the full records that the page promises. Maybe some FDLer needs to volunteer some pro bono time on web-posting to the DC Madam.
Prof @ 38
maybe it will take a bj to get Cheney impeached
I’m so freaking sick and tired of having to fight these guys every freaking day.
TexB @ 31
the damn thing’s so inconsistent. It took Odd A. Mommy, and a number of other fdl folk with rather, uh, unconventional names.
Maybe it depends on who’s at the switch at the time…..? Maybe we could slip the guard a $__…..???
(I do not recall saying that)
Does anyone besides me feel like we as a country are driving along at 100 mph, straight towards a cliff face, and no one actually has the wheel?
There are so many issues rushing to a head right now that I don’t know what we can address in time, much less how. That joker in the driver’s seat just keeps it glued to the floor, and is determined to drive through the cliff.
Prof @ 38
We don’t really know that Cheney was involved. I’ve heard no valid evidence to that effect.
Um, what happens in 5 days vis net neutrality?
RevDeb @ 31
I’m formulating a theory about “soft fascism” which uses non-legal means to effectively control dissent in a country. Here is how this is currently being worked on the internet (and net neut regrettably has only a small part of it..)
1) No mailing lists without paying thousands of dollars each mailing. The Soft Fascism reason on this is ch*ld pr0n sp*m; you have to go with a “trusted email provider” who charges .025 cent per email, probably with a 500 a month waiver for individual accounts.” non-trusted email MAY get delivered, but in fact will be caught in spam traps and thus not get through. This is happening now.
2) Make bloggers liable for any libel, slander, etc. in COMMENTS on their blogs. And then extend the liability to the ISP’s who host the blogs. Poof, no more comments cause nobody’s gonna take that risk. Then make bloggers themselves liable to slander, etc suits. Push that back to the ISP’s. Poof, no more blogs except for those run by big media combines who can afford the lawyers to defend them. Bye Bye Blogosphere.
3) No file sharing. Gee, we all know how that is working out, don’t we? RIAA? Napster? Right. And ATT is now, on its own, monitoring all binary files for “copyrighted content” that are sent over HTTP or FTP links. Guess how easily that could slide into effective censorship. “What, that file was a pdf about health care? looked like “harrison ford meets will smith in lethal weapon 99″ to me!”
4) no unmonitored chat or IM at a public web nexus (like facebook). S*x**l Pr*d*t*rs, y’know. And push the libel and slander liabilities into the public chat and IM arena.
I work this biz every day and I see this crap being carefully worked out by the same cold, cruel minds that gave us Chimpy and Darth. If they have their way, the internet will be nothing more than an interactive shopping mall, msm firehose, and dating service.
Only the email thing is currently being started (along with the obnoxious ATT thing, which is gonna get hit in court real fast.) But we must not think that just having free, fast pipes is enough. Regrettably, these rethug slimes are like drug resistant staph aureus, they get EVERYWHERE, and we have to be the vancomycin that kills them.
LS @ 32
Of course.
But what about “do not prepare”?
It is certainly true that avian flu in turkeys is not avian flu in humans. And this is probably not H5N1. But H5N1 (the really nasty stuff that is killing 80% of humans that it infects in Indonesia) is now being detected across Europe in the past week.
If and when it genetically mutates or reassorts (exchanges genes with other, highly contagious influenza strains) to become easily transmissible among humans will a pandemic begin. And only if it (or another strain) retains a kill ratio above 1 or 2% will that pandemic cause economic disruption and true “panic.”
But to adopt “do not panic” as a general rule of behavior and response when avian flu of any kind becomes entrenched?
That depends on what “panic” means.
If it includes buying up to 3 months of supplies in order to be able to stay at home in case the grid goes down, or in case the bumbling idiots in charge fail to close the schools, then a little low-level panic might not be a bad thing. Better panic-preparation now than panic-disaster later.
“Do not panic” is fine advice if it means don’t go rioting in the streets. But a little low-level panic in terms of local government officials actually planning how to close schools in the event of a pandemic, high-death avian flu might well be in order right now.
Because somnolence, not panic, is the current pschological state of most officials. And citizens.
LS @ 35
why, LS? what happened?
“As it happens, Vonage customers were the victims of the only case of interference yet to draw FCC action — the blocking of its phone service last year by Madison River Communications, a small North Carolina ISP. The FCC fined Madison River $15,000.”
Hey PW, you’ve tracked me down. They used to be Mebtel. I used to write Moron-tel on the checks to them, they were so frustrating to deal with. It’s a great town; no cell towers allowed; therefore we can’t even go with cell phones for sevice.
The feds explained to me that it wasn’t a monopoly because Bell South also served the State. Huh? What choice do I have? None.
prof @46
okay, what does “the grid goes down” mean in practice? do I need three months of gasoline for my generator? 3 months of fresh water cause the tap will be contaminated. 3 months of food I can see as long as its canned or dryed, but what about fresh fruit and meats? I actually get my dad’s meds (and mine) in 3 month allotments so that’s cool. (Doesn’t need insulin fortunately).
Do I need a shotgun and three months of shells to keep the people who DIDN’T prepare away?
This is not snark, I believe you! I know far too well how biowar scenarios work, and avian flu pandemic is just mother nature’s way of saying, “You wanna wreck my ecosystem? well, i can do some biowar too!”. But my preps were for a different age and I need realistic guidance for now.
Shadowstalker @ 42
You got it..and as best I can tell, the only group that will benefit from the wreck are the theocrats.
From 2005:
NEW YORK – Al Gore may have been lampooned for taking credit in the Internet’s development, but organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements don’t find it funny at all.
In part to “set the record straight,” they will give Gore a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet, said Tiffany Shlain, the awards’ founder and chairwoman.
“It’s just one of those instances someone did amazing work for three decades as congressman, senator and vice president and it got spun around into this political mess,” Shlain said.
But after joining Congress eight years later, he promoted high-speed telecommunications for economic growth and supported funding increases for the then-fledging network, according to the International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences, which presents the annual awards.
He popularized the term “information superhighway” as vice president.
Gore for President.
Sadly, the premise of this post is very much mistaken…
In 2004, North Carolina ISP Madison River blocked their DSL customers from using any rival Web-based phone service.
I’ll note that the FCC nailed MadRiv for this because it violated extant regulations, which is why that body and the FTC don’t think there is a need for legislative remedies. They already have the necessary power.
althespook @ 47
The MSM has been harping on impeachment all day, as well as a lot of anti-war rhetoric…seems like talking points – probably orginating from the Bush side – I think Gates is finally getting through to Shrub. I think there really is a major rift going on in the WH. I haven’t heard that kind of drumbeat for years. Somethin’s up. Somethin’ big.
update from CLG:
Breaking: ‘DC Madam’ Phone Records –By Lori Price, Citizens For Legitimate Government, 16:36 EDT 09 Jul 2007 Note: The page is under construction! Phone records from 22 January 2006 – 22 August 2006 have been posted. Updated! 22 January 2005 – 22 December 2005 have been posted. Names & places file to be uploaded shortly!
the last line is a significant change from an hour ago.
Um, what happens to net neutrality in 5 days? PW tells me I know what to do, but I really don’t know what to do, because I have no idea who is going to do what in 5 days.
althespook @ 47
The MSM has been harping on impeachment all day, as well as a lot of anti-war rhetoric…seems like talking points – probably orginating from the Bush side – I think Gates is finally getting through to Shrub. I think there really is a major rift going on in the WH. I haven’t heard that kind of drumbeat for years. Somethin’s up. Somethin’ big.Prof @ 46
There are many variations of avian flu. This article does not reference “the” avian flu that hit Asia.
Avian Flu article about the turkey farms in Pennsylvania.
LS @ 53
oh yes. If I can stop being hounded by idiots, I’ll get my bloody blog post done. It is now my opinion that BushCo DIDN’T do Polonium on the Potomac to scare Cheney off Iran but for another reason I’m detailing that needs careful proof. But the bottom line is we’re running for kurdistan and kuwait, fast as can be once the political cover is in place. Remember the famous quote about Carter’s last tv appearance as the russian missiles come over the pole. “Y’all are on your own! G’nite!”. Well, that is what i suspect is about to be told to the iraqis. reasons for this will be part of the next post. Please take note of the massing of 140,000 troops on the turkish border with kurdish iraq but not crossing, and karlosivitch roveski’s big speech today saying “Iraq won’t be a factor in the 08 races.” Yep, there’s a sea change coming.
Look folks, there are all kinds of news events brewing in DC this week, and it is typical to have some “scary” event hit the news to distract us. Don’t panic. Stay centered. Don’t get distracted….now, back to American Idol…
oddmommy @ 41
I registered with facebook with my real name, and the reg on FDL lets me still use my screen name. If you’re worried about using your real name for anything, I wouldn’t bother. They’ve got it anyway (you can’t be an ISP without promising to tell the gov’t everything you know and keep quiet about it; one or two librarians have spoken up, but they’re not in it for the money – your ISP is.)
LS @ 59
Paula Abdul will be arrested for non-drunk driving and sent immediately to jail. media will cover it 24/7.
NTodd @ 52
Thing is, in 2005 the FCC decided it was going to take away that power, but the implementation has been delayed (so far).
the ramifications are worse then is imagined and even the progressives have missed some of the inevitable affects;
suppose you have a successful site, making some revenue and doing OK with it, you’ve nurtured the site, coddled your membership and they are loyal
anyone with money is simply going to pay the service providers to choke your site so their site which they’ve modeled after yours gets the action
think google here…why on earth would a service provider give google the same bandwidth as their own personal search engine?
firedoglake?…history, it will never load, you want political conversation?…sorry, you’re going to the captains quaters or you’re going nowhere
on line banking?
nope, the only one that will load will be the one that the provider wants you to use
the ramifications have not even yet been imagined…not even by me
this is pretty bad stuff going on here
althespook @ 61
Or, someone’s getting abdulucted as we speak!
Gates yesterday canceled his 4 country latin america trip scheduled for this week. Didn’t list countries or purpose. Said he was staying to review Iraq progress report due to congress on the 15th.
perris @ 63
one point that I’ve wondered about is the various laws involving postal type mail, as in not interfering with. also restraint of trade, which used to be a biggie. i could see that sort of crap going straight to court via ROT. perhaps an FDL lawyer with more knowledge could add something?
From the FAQ at SaveTheInternet.com:
perris @ 63
Didn’t one of the Bush Administration guys get a job as head of Google…not Ari Fleisher, but the other guy…am I hallucinating???
LS @ 64
bad BAD LS. making an old man spew his club soda on the monitor…
LS @ 68
Oh yeah….Dan Senor….
SunnyNobility @ 65
Considering that the report will show the Iraqi government met none of Shrub’s January benchmarks, Gates and Condi probably cancelled their trips to spin the report, not to write or review it. (h/t John Warner for 411 on Condi’s cancelled trip)
LS @ 70
And notice what happened to “don’t be evil” right about then….
: http://www.savetheinternet.com/tellafriend.php
I copied this from my email for those that wanted some clarification.
TeddySanFran @ 71
Testable prediction time! I predict that failure to meet the benchmarks will be used as the reason to begin withdrawal! Chimpy will make a big deal of it.
althespook @ 49
Hey Al, get a load of this!
Not biowar, but applicable.
althespook @ 69
Just watch it Alfred…I have my handy dandy water gun ready that shuts up my cockatoo when she persists in Ack, Ack, Ack….wakes up the whole dang neighborhood!!!! I’m ready for ‘em…I practice “make my day”….”bring it on” in the mirror every morning….”Draw”…I even wear my Annie Oakley boots while I’m practicing…just to be sure…
I_M_bobo @ 55
The FCC stops taking public comments.
althespook @ 49
Yes to all of the above. You can download a pandemic flu preparation guide here.
GordonM @ 75
wow, thanks! have had similar ideas for some time but never worked on it professionally (I retired in the late 1990’s). striking similarities, aren’t there? (sneaks downstairs to check survivalist bunker…)
althespook @ 49
Yes.
Details are plentiful at Pandemic Preparedness Guides
hey perris=
show about les paul this week on pbs.
american masters.
Don’t forget the duct tape from Wal-Mart.
LS @ 76
That reminds me of the Chirp Wars. My oldest son had a parrot, a big one, who liked to get his way by saying “CHIRP” until he was pleased. My poor son tried everything short of killing the bird to stop this behavior. It ignored water, being caged in the spare room, ghod knows what. Eventually, losing it at 3 am, my son took the bird into the shower and ran it full blast on him and the bird for some minutes, apparently this didn’t harm the bird but was supposed to make his point about inappropriate behavior.
As they emerged, soaking wet (he was still in his pajamas), the bird calmly turned to him and said. “CHIRP!”
They ended up giving the bird to some friends in Oregon.
althespook @ 74
I’ll take that prediction and raise you a SURGE.
Chimp will declare the Iraqi Green Zone Government *this* close, and in need of more time and protection. He’ll propose taking our force to 200,000 through the end of 2007.
althespook @ 66
Doing that, too. Time magazine got to rewrite the rules on bulk rate postage. Guess what? Even The Nation doesn’t have a large enough mailing to qualify for low rates. All restaurants now are Taco Bell.
Prof @ 80
thanks much.
LS @ 82
Make that from Target, K-Mart, Sears or CostCo.
althespook @ 74
Bada Bing…and in some months, close to the election..he will produce his friend, Ole Binny, you watch.
LS @ 81
I don’t buy from Wal-Mart. I refuse to support slavery in any form. And they have a far too high ratio of chinese (lethal) imports on their shelves.
TeddySanFran @ 84
Okay, you’re on! What are we betting, anyways? My firstborn child is big, mean and ugly (but a nice guy) but you can have him if you want (you have to pay shipping, tho…)
althespook @ 84
I’ve had “Lilly White” (Cat Stevens ref) for 22 years. She’s smarter than us all. I just yell at her when she starts the Ack, Ack, Ack (reminds me of that movie…), that I’m gonna get the gun..and she stops. She is actually the most dear creature in the world. If it was up to her, she wouldn’t impeach, she would just bite them. ;P
GordonM @ 85
That one’s gonna get courted and congressed fairly fast. lots of players are getting burned in this. But it is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. “soft fascism”, don’t make things illegal, make them impossible to happen in practice. Like with a kid who wants to do something dangerous/expensive/inappropriate: don’t say no, just keep piling on the conditions until they give up or get interested in the next new shiny object.
I think I just described the entire mechanism of american society in three lines. gah.
LS @ 91
birds are far wiser than we are. in fact, most animals are. now if we could just find that missing sapience gene…
althespook @ 90
No, he’ll withdroaw most, but leave some in the Green Zone. I give ‘em aobut 6 weeks. Helicopters on rooftops, you know the drill.
We expected no less from you, Alfred.
perris @ 63
Wal-Martization of the Net?
GordonM @ 94
what a nice man.
I’m confused – althespook are you Alfred K?
dammit, i’ve been waiting for that names list on CLG but i’ve run out of time and have to go eat. i’ll be offline probly two hours. and by the great googlymoogly, i AM getting my blog posts up tonight.
BTW, my fingers keep typing “glob” for “blog”. I bet that has any number of fun freudian implications…
newspaperbrat @ 97
yes, of course! (Duh!) I got the new handle when I signed in to get my “f” (gotta have the “f” you know, run with the pack, etc). I haven’t yet found a way to switch back.
TexB @ 57
Harrisonburg is in Virginia.
This is, BTW, a “CitizenSpook” in blogspace who is a far better blogger than I am. I am officially jealous.
Totally OffT: Fun photo of Fred Thompson
Not being snarky, but is the internet the responsibility of the FTC or the FCC PW?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..eutrality/
Or is it both?
Since Rove realizes fully that a huge amount of criticism directed toward his idiot boss comes from the net, I expect this horrible, nasty, mean little man to go full bore after the internet.
Good news from Alaska! From THe Guardian
BREAKING NEWS:
Ladies and Gentlepups, The DC Madam Names and Places List:
http://www.legitgov.org/dc_pho…..20806.html
enjoy! back in about 2 hours.
GordonM @ 94
Someone was speculating about the logistics of withdrawal, and said they would not evacuate the Green Zone…..uh…huh…right…
I see them sneaking out, no withdrawal date revealed…just attempt to melt away…down to Kuwait…
A diary at KOS, which I linked to on the previous post, postulated that there would be some sort of world political center in the Middle East…independent military – answerable to no one in this country – inferring that Halliburton’s move over there is part of the beginning of such a central governing point. Energy interests could be controlled from there. Consider this, Kuwait is basically a corporation, and Cheney served on the board of Kuwait International (basically the country of Kuwait, operated by one “family” as a corporation), prior to the first Gulf War. Could be.
For several weeks now our county health dept. has been running PSA on TV, warning of the coming pandemic and preaching preparedness.
Bad news, firepups. The link at @105 is a dud. one name and the rest crap or blank lines. I think we have to wait a bit longer.
(grumble fuss)
Liberal Heart @ 106
Sit tight. There is no absolute evidence of an impending pandemic. Don’t drink what they give you.
LS @ 109
I don’t buy it. I have just been surprised to see it. It gets lots of airings and there’s a parparedness list on the dept.’s website. The message seems to be that it’s not “if” — it’s “when” because it’s definitely coming.
Folks. It is not the H5N1 avian flu. It is a mild avian flu. Don’t go there.
Shiny objects….stop it.
Without net neutrality ISPs can steer customers to “preferred” websites by enhancing or degrading traffic to particular URLs.
Let’s say my ISP is VeriZomcast and they obtain a financial stake in the internet phone company Vonage, what’s to stop them from degrading my connection from their hubs to any Vonage competitors? There are all kinds of ways VeriZomcast could make it appear that Vonage is better (and the competitor worse) by routing “competitor traffic” through older equipment or even introducing the equivalent of “static” to degrade the performance. The only way customers would learn of this would be by a VeriZomcast whistleblower. Even then they could argue that the routing of the “competitor traffic” through older equipment was not intentional. How would customers be able to prove otherwise? This is an open invitation for mischief.
It also has implications for the marketplace of ideas. If VeriZomcast decided it didn’t like the website of, say, your local alternative newspaper, it wouldn’t take a programming genius to figure out how to route that traffic through slower parts of the network or even to introduce the Internet equivalent of dropped calls.
Back when TV’s had “rabbit ears” did you watch the channels that had a lot of snow over the ones that came in clearly? ISP will effectively have the power to introduce “snow” on links to sites that they want people to avoid. The result being to drive traffic to sites that are more favorable to their financial/political interests. If VeriZomcast enters into a partnership with Sinclair Broadcasting (which tried to air a hit piece on John Kerry shortly before the last election), which TV news channel’s website do you think will stream video the fastest?
Ok, I gave in and got a facebook account. Now what do I do to get linked up with you all?
althespook @ 99
Glad to see you – hope you and your Dad have both recovered from the recent harrowing stuff.
Have given up entirely on the face page thingy until my true tech savvy daughter visits on the weekend. Should change my user name to Scarecrow. :~(
Losing Internet access is a much worse threat than a “made up” flu scare. There is no H5N1 Avian flu threat right now in the U.S.
LS @ 105
No, I have really no idea what the new plan is. I’m sure of only 2 things: it will happen very soon, and it will turn out to be equally idiotic as all past endeavors of BushCo.
That makes entirely too much sense. Borders are just arbitrary lines in the sand, power is all that matters. Yeah, I can see Cheney saying that with his trademark snarl. And thousands of worshippers, waving Halliburton flags and widdling their pants in ecstacy.
Well as the FTC has ruled, and no one really understood the forces that be will slowly close off sites with whom they don’t agree. When the eliminated the fairness doctrine not many cared, the erosion in laws about media consolidation, not many cared. Now that many have turn to the internet for news and information it’s time to control the messengers, so as internet radio fades and site get harder to access, most will never know the web as we have. But there are ways, but if information becomes outlawed, I guess only only outlaws will have information. And now back to programing.
Wait a minute! Isn’t it the FTC, NOT the FCC, that is involved here?
See http://www.freepress.net/news/24353
LS @ 105
Read this
john @ 117
both
GordonM @ 117
Yup. The laws can’t touch him there, and he would have us believe that they can’t touch him here. We will see about that.
I have a question for althespook, do you believe Bush could end the war even if he knew it was the right thing to do?
dmac @ 81
I’m going to see him again in august with all me childhood friends, gonna bring my guitar again and get another signature on it
want to meet me there?
I’ll email the date we’re going
check out the great time I had with my night with les paul
Thing is, in 2005 the FCC decided it was going to take away that power, but the implementation has been delayed (so far).
Citation? And will anybody actually look at the technical, regulatory and economic issues involved, rather than the rabid fearmongering? TIA.
solai @ 40
And that, unfortunately, is exactly what they are counting on.
TJ @ 114
Go to comment #39 on this thread and register and get an FDL password, login when you receive the password and on the bottom of the profile there’s a box to copy and paste your Facebook “Public Listing” from your facebook Profile page which should give you the “F”.
Also, you can join the FireDogLake group on Facebook as well after you get the icon thing.
argosfalcon @ 121
Thanks!
dakine01 @ 127
And, as I just discovered, if you have multiple computers you need to do it on each.
Howdy y’all!
john in sacramento @ 103
Both. The Federal Communications Commission has jurisdiction to regulate communication companies . The Federal Trade Commission has broad jurisdiction to oversee competition, to guard against anti-competitive activities in many industries, including communications.
The FTC in late June issued a staff report recommending they not use their competition regulation to regulate communications companies to ensure net neutrality.
Simulataneously, the FCC is undertaking a process to adopt regulations — a “rulemaking” to decide how the large providers can set rates for access, and they are taking comments on proposed rules. There was an initial comment period that ended June 15, and reply comments are due 30 days later (my guess, from typical procedures), so that means final or reply comments are due on or before July 15 — hence only 5 days left. Net neutrality supporters are asking that we send “stories” which would then become “comments” to the FCC in favor of preserving net neutrality. That’s a very general overview; I’ve not followed this closely. And the “H/T to Scarecrow” mentioned at C&L is not me.
The great cyber experiment, erode the oppositions means of organizing, and inter-group communication and through filtering the signal marginalize them. Why do you think they kill off short wave radio, when something happens where do you get new and information, how much life is in that battery in your laptop?
john in sacramento @ 118
The Dulles brothers must have had a very fertile sister to produce these kinds of creeps.
I’ve run into Enterra before… where…
OT ~ Impeachment by Frog-Marching Congressional Oversight .
Lou Costello @ 134
Congress can do criminal investigations? They don’t need the FBI?
solai @73 and GordonM @77 – thanks! So I guess what’s needed is comments to the FCC. Here’s a direct link to savetheinternet.com’s submission page. CAUTION: Your submission is a public record. Your ISP can read it. I was about to pull the trigger on my submission, but as a telecommuter I have a lot to lose. So I removed my ISP’s name from my rant, then pulled the trigger.
LS @ 108
Ah, but when it comes, it will come in waves. The need is to have at least three months of food and supplies stockpiled, and that is why the PSA’s need to be frequent, compelling and run now. Many people who are dependent on food stamps can[t stockpile food. Others have no means to get a full 90 days worth of medicine in addition to their current prescriptions. Even stockpiling things such as toilet paper – bulky stuff – takes multiple trips to the store to purchase and store.
If you can, begin to buy extras of everything as you shop and build a stockpile in plastic, watertight and airtight storage totes. Store some soft bulky items in heavy duty trash bags, which can then be used for their intended purpose during a pandemic. Have lots of bleach and a quaternary disinfectant on hand. Purchase N95 masks – and have them fit tested, too. Stock up on tissues and alcohol=based hand sanitizer, as well as soap.
At any rate, the earlier you prepare, and the more it gets built into your routine, the easier transition it will be when you do have to use your supplies.
With almost all the bridges gone, there’s no way to safely supple Green Zone except by air. And that’s a very sucky way to supply an area. Truman did it for Berlin, but he almost wasn’t able to pull it off. And the Russians weren’t actively trying to shoot down our planes or blow them up on the ground.
Nequals1 @ 137
Where do people keep all that stuff? Especially people in apartments.
Thanks,
scarecrow @ 130
and
GordonM @ 131 that sounds cryptic. I can only imagine what Enterra’s into
And in cheerier news:
Palfrey probably just took down David Vitter [R-LA].
But on a lighter note szechwan or sweet and sour chicken?
From Atrios:
For immediate release
July 9, 2007
Vitter Issues Statement
U.S. Sen. David Vitter made the following statement today about his telephone number being on the old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates prior to his running for the U.S. Senate. He respectfully requests that the statement be used in full without editing or paraphrasing.
“This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there-with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way,” Vitter said.
(R-LA)
link
dakine01 @ 143
link
Are there any politicians that don’t have affairs? I never heard of this one but he seems like an idiot.
Nequals1 @ 137
I’ll be one of the first to go then. I refuse to be terrorized by this misinformation designed to scare the public. Don’t drink and drive. Don’t be blond and go to a bar and not leave with your friends. Don’t go to Aruba. Don’t get on an airplane. Don’t do anything….because you might die. Well, you might die any day from a myriad of circumstances. You will die someday, that is a fact.
Stop buying into fear about something that is not happening. There is no H5N1 avian flu in the United States.
Stick to reality. Don’t become their victims. The government has lied us into a war, and we are in a quagmire. They are Obstructing Justice.
Grrrrrrrrr.
Just had a HORRIBLE thought.
What if there was a pandemic, and you went to find information on its spread and how to respond, but your ISP made it pay-per-view…
Gah. And there would be little infrastructure to stop them…
LS @ 145
In reality, you should have extra food and stuff in case there’s a flood or a hurricane or a tornado at the supermarket.
OK, I got as far as entering my Facebook link. Let’s see if I’ve got an F.
SnarKassandra @ 147
I’ve been in a flood that destroyed my property, and was rescued by the fire deparment. We were hit by a tornado the same day.
Been there.
Did anyone else catch Bill Clinton’s speech on the legacy of Harry Truman on CSPAN, originally on July 6? Great speech!
Now I gotta go way downstairs to finish reading looseheadprop’s wonderful review of impeachment proceedings earlier today!
Bob in HI
Temporarily in Wisconsin
LS, thank you for articulating the very thing I’ve been grrrrr-ing about as well :-)
SnarKassandra @ 144
Politicians of both parties, almost be the very nature of the beast, tend to have zipper problems. And for the most part, I wouldn’t care at all as it should be something between the pol, his wife and family. Except when they are sanctimonious a**hats who preach about how wonderful they are and how bad the people are who have affairs. Then I have no problem seeing their hypocracy exposed and ridiculed.
And this expose alone should embarass the hell out of ABC/Disney for having tried to claim nothing to see in their time when they had the exclusive to the records.
And, in reality, stick to reality.
Well I glad I kept all those x-files movies, my 2 meter radio, and my short wave receiver. But back to the chicken question, hot and spicy or sweet and sour. No one cared about the net until the 11th hour.
TJ @ 148
yep! and it links to you!
SnarKassandra @ 147
Absolutely. I believe that the understanding is that you need to be prepared for a minimum of two weeks, and that all Americans must be prepared to be completely on their own without any government response for two days.
(As proven by Katrina, in spades.)
See the Red Cross’ site (PDF file); they make suggestions about preparedness for two weeks, but it’s up to the individual and their family to scale up/down as appropriate.
john in sacramento @ 138
I didn’t really mean to sound cryptic. I’ve probably run into them from the other side (I’m an old^2 programmer), I just can’t remember where.
That article sounds scary, but I suspect Enterra’s spiel is 99% BS – the dot com practice of vacuous IT promises never died in the defense sector. Or it rose like a zombie from the dead. I’d be rich now if I could’ve stomached the *ssh*l*s.
SnarKassandra @ 137
Excellent question, and one which isn’t fully answered by the powers that be. Best is to prioritize based on the storage that you do have – jars of PB, cans of seafood and meat, cans of high protein food that don’t require preparation to eat (stew, chili, pasta, etc), canned fruits and vegetables, jars and bottles of foods which don’t require additional preparation to eat.Crackers, melba toast, dried foods which only need water to rehydrate – potatoes, onions, peppers, dried soup mixes and the like. Powdered milk, dried fruit. That’s a great way to start – and then rotate the stock so that nothing gets stale or out-dated. Use under bed plastic storage containers, closet storage, rent a small storage locker – all possibilities. Great question!
argosfalcon @ 140
Szechwan! You call that a “choice”??
argosfalcon @ 154
General Tsao’s chicken, steamed dumplings, shrimp toast, spring rolls.
GordonM @ 159
But you should pick tofu or veggies instead of chicken. It is better for the planet. And the chickens.
LS @ 151
“Reality”. What a concept!
One should be prepared for catastrophic events. I have a problem with “manufactured”, alarmist, fear-mongering events that have no basis in reality.
GordonM @ 162
When “reality” hits, you’ll know it.
Thanks PW.
Hasn’t the FTC issued new (bad)proposed rules u/their rule making authority? To provide protective cover to congress? Shouldn’t we be talking to sympathetic congress critters? Shouldn’t congress hold emergency hearings? Does congress have the power to stay the rules? force extension of the comment period? Take jurisdiction unto itself so we can watch?
I know, too many questions, no answers. I fear loss of net neutrality more than almost any other political move. Too much money/power involved and surely once lost, never regained.
Is any blog on top of all the nitty gritty?
Sorry for this, I’m late to the game.
An analogous situation occurred in the days before commercial access to the internet. The non-internet online services changed from unlimited fixed price access to hourly billing
(e.g.CompuServ, GEnie, Delphi, Prodigy & AOL). Their amazing strong online communities dried up immediately – users simply were not willing/able to pay unpredictable (high) monthly rates. Many users disappeared for a long time until the commercial ISPs started to provide actual internet access. I predict consequences would be similar – internet access would become a push medium, like TV. Not so sure many of the PsThatB are fond of citizen journalism, competition by the small guy or instant fact check ability for the masses – even if they do talk a good game.
Sorry to go on, but I suspect we may be pretty much on our own.
argosfalcon @ 154
That is not true.. this has been on the radar for quite some time and many of us have been writing letters and making calls for some time now. Also EFF out of San Francisco and others work on this issue and as mentioned above thread #67, a million calls and letters stopped this once before.
SnarKassandra @ 159
Have you ever tried to talk to a chicken? ;-)
LS @ 145
Ding!
Would if I could and when you have lemons what do you make? Ahh lemon chicken, but the little store is closed. so the question stands its that or teriyaki.
La. Senator visitin hookers? Must be a gooper ya say? Yep… Say’s it’s been a LONG time ago- and Jesus and his wife have both forgivin him….
What pathetic fuckwads these goopers be. Love ta hear the wife’s candid version of the story.
GordonM @ 167
Have you ever tried to talk to a baby?
Must’ve been a great meetin- Senator Dickwad, preacher man- Mrs. Dickwad- an Jesus- all yuckin it up an havin a good ol time. Little red wine!
SunnyNobility @165:
Congress can pass a law. Trumps executive department rulemaking every time.
LS @ 162
I live in rural Maine. Have candles, oil lamps, 5 days of water (and know where to go for more), 5 days of food, at least a cord of wood… Everyone here is prepared for 5 day power failures. After that, it gets disruptive.
Dollars ta doughnuts- Senator Dickwad was hosin a hooker last WEEK.
ES I know it just seems like one more thing misunderstood and never really visible to the general public. Or like so many things a show, when the issues already decided.
Thank you all for your assistance. It frustrates me that I never wanted to be one of those people who refuses to catch up technologically, yet I feel it happening. I barely use my cell phone. I can’t figure out how to see anyone’s profile on Facebook except people nice enough to add me as a friend. Cripes, I’m really not that old!
Hasn’t the FTC issued new (bad)proposed rules u/their rule making authority?
No. They’ve opted to issue no new rules.
[shakes head]
argosfalcon @ 176
Agreed.. And it hasn’t been that long since a million stopped the last round of attacks, yet here they are again..
SnarKassandra @ 169
Raised 2, now I terrorize grandnieces and grandnephews. I was vegetarian for about 5 years. It’s boring. I like meat. And as I said above, I live rural. I do know about animals. Raise them humanely, kill them quickly, eat them with respect. Not that we (as a society) do anything close to that, but if you do it that way, it’s OK. Seriously.
newspaperbrat @ 166
I respectfrully disagree. If anything, HHS has taken an ambiguous and unconcerned approach to pandemic preparation. Don’t take my word for it. Visit the Flu Wiki site, where there are grassroots activists and experts who do good work tracking it, staying abreast of transmission and incidence issues, and generally, creating very pragmatic preparation resource materials.
TJ @ 177
At the top right hand of your profile page , there are four buttons for “home, account, privacy, logout”. If you click the “privacy” button, you can get in and check/change the privacy settings that will allow others to see your profile but I think most of us have ours set to only allow them to be seen by “friends” which is why joining the FDL group AND befriending folks from there is a good start.
But be careful as you might wind up befriended by old classmates and think every one is from FDL. Almost embarrassing.
The question is what now, like so many things how does this stack up to all the other outrages, and if nothing is done what harm does it do, say in an election and its over sight?
Too late to be noticed, but on a similar note, Comcast has moved MSNBC to the digital line-up. I can now no longer watch Keith Olbermann unless I fork out more cash for digital service.
(And for those who say “get satellite TV”, I can’t because I am an apartment dweller facing north – no sat-tv possible.)
So much for public airwaves, and now you see the face of the new internet.
Frankl @ 184
Nequals1 @ 181
The point is: There is no H5N1 avian flu in the United States. The reports are misleading and alarmist during a week where there are other major events occurring in the United States that have to do with our future – even in the event of a pandemic (which is not currently happening). If the pandemic flu, in reality, encroaches on the U.S. at some point in the future, then it will be reality. It is not happening now.
Impeach!!
Scarecrow @131. Thanks, you answered some of my questions re: the status of this mess.
Then how does the VP explain all those birds at the naval observatory?
Still trying how to get the F thingy on here. Can’t get old new or made-up passwords to work on WordPress Arghh!!!!
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I_M_bobo @ 173
True enough. My fear is inaction until after rules are implemented. Then, well, “we’ve got to hold extensive hearings and accommodate all of the stakeholders.” Seems every time that happens, for profit stakeholders become more equal than the others.
Still trying — sorry to take up blog space but I can’t test any other way…
I_M_bobo @ 44
Then the FCC will not take any more testimonies and proceed to make their decision. My testimony is up there: http://www.savetheinternet.com/yourstory/287707 It is important to get your 2 cents worth in. Because there is one, perhaps 2 people (one is Michael Copps that I know of) who is sympathetic with We The People. The rest from what I hear are toadies who would sell off their grandmothers ~ errrrr, the public airwaves to the highest bidders.
My 2 cents
Cat In Seattle
PLEASE UPDATE WITH THIS GREAT LINK that allows us to send a comment to the FCC via savetheinternet.com
Use this site to send the FCC your message about saving Net Neutrality.
I found it difficult to figure out how to post my message to the FCC. Here’s an easy way to do it.