Oh my!

Zed

Almost a Zed anyway

[raises eyebrow]

Wow, wrangling with wordpress got me a zed and an f thingy! My lucky day.

[shrugs, goes back to knitting]

You are dead right on this one. A blatant effort of obstruct justice. I’m interested in seeing what emerges from judge Walten re: how the commutation might affect the supervised release aspect of Libby’s sentence.

Great post.

II am starting to love Chuck Schumer!

Just when you think you couldn’t be more disgusted with this band of reptiles…

mauimom, if you are around, click on my f thingy and ask to be my friend. Then you can see my puppies and I can see yours. Oh, and go Schumer!

gnome de plume @ 5

Wow, wrangling with wordpress got me a zed and an f thingy! My lucky day.

When I clicked, it just took me to my news feed page. You may have made the same mistake I made at first. When you copy the link into your wordpress profile, you have to make sure you get the actual numeric code for YOUR page (it can be found at the bottom of your facebook “profile” page and is the link for “Public Listing.”

I like Schumer and Schuster

Bay State Librul @ 12

I like Schumer and Schuster

but not Shooter and Scooter?

TexB @ 13

Bay State Librul @ 12

I like Schumer and Schuster

but not Shooter and Scooter?

And especially not Looter.

Well, possible obstruction of justice is worth an impeachment inquiry.

TexB @ 8

Great post.

II am starting to love Chuck Schumer!

Yeah Betsy – he’s my Senator and I cold not stand him for the longest time. Now, I’m serioulsy warming up to him and I can forgive him his camera whoring.

TexB @ 13

Bay State Librul @ 12

I like Schumer and Schuster

but not Shooter and Scooter?

Schumer and Shuster sounds like it could be a law firm or a book publisher or some other professional business firm.

Shooter and Scooter sound like they’re members of the bad guy fraternities from Animal House or Revenge Of The Nerds. Which given Chimpy’s M.O., may not be far off the truthiness.

Good to know that Schumer gets it. The reason I believed that Bush would not pardon Libby was because he could easily be called before Congress or another Grand Jury.

However, think about something else: he has already been tried on these matters of lying. Lying to FBI and to the GJ. Those events are over. Congress or Fitz could still give Libby immunity and cause him to testify. The whole point of going after him was to eventually apply pressure on him. The ability to apply this pressure still exists if we forget about further punishing Libby for what happened a few years ago.

So Schumer is right about why Bush did it, but that should ring a bell: realize that the Libby punishment is over as a means to apply pressure. Get him live on television, have him testify to the things already public (the lies). Get answers, as there can be no executive privilege about public information.

Go read my diary from yesterday over at TalkLeft on this: “Libby’s B*tches” [TL’s pretty tough on words that make the office filters twitch]

Short version:

The commutation means Scooter has successfully blackmailed the President and Vice President into keeping him out of prison.

Bushie and Deadeye are, now, Scooter’s Bitches.

Helen @ 16

TexB @ 8

Great post.

II am starting to love Chuck Schumer!

Yeah Betsy – he’s my Senator and I cold not stand him for the longest time. Now, I’m serioulsy warming up to him and I can forgive him his camera whoring.

He was my senator when I’ve lived in NY. For all his camera hogging, he usually has a damned good reason to call attention to himself in front of the camera. Unlike someone like Biden who seemingly just doesn’t know when to shut up.

It will be interesting to see who shows up at the hearings on Wednesday.

TomJ @ 18

However, think about something else: he has already been tried on these matters of lying. Lying to FBI and to the GJ. Those events are over. Congress or Fitz could still give Libby immunity and cause him to testify. The whole point of going after him was to eventually apply pressure on him. The ability to apply this pressure still exists if we forget about further punishing Libby for what happened a few years ago.

Well, not really. There’s a boatload of stuff we do not know. Libby could be guilty of much more than what he was convicted of. And probably is.

Dakine, where is the “Public Listing”? I can’t find one on my profile page. I do find a code in the “create a badge” section.

Here’s Marcy’s latest on Fitz’s filing (posted downstairs, too) at NEXT (not Last) Hurrah:

I don’t know why I always get that wrong…

so how do I get one of those little blue F thingies? I put my facebook url up under the website space here, and no blue thingie. Wah…

I’m very glad to see this. The mantra all Democrats must repeat to be prepared before speaking publicly is:

We must be more forceful with the truth than they are with their lies.
They will attack if you tell the truth, they will attack if you shrink from telling uncomfortable truths. You can either spend your time putting them deservedly on the defensive, or responding to attacks that have no logical response because they are deliberately dishonest.
We might well prefer to return to the time when people of differing views worked honestly to craft compromises, but wishing will not make it so. Now is a time for those who will fight for what is right to take the lead, and those who are not to get out of the way.

Chuck has a few Ned Lamont demerits to work off, as I recall. This is a good start.

You folks are hard to keep up with!!!

I have neither a blue F thingy nor a facebook page. I’m a loser.

though I am working on two papers, a dissertation, and teaching a class. maybe I can get a blue F thingy when I’m done with one of the other things.

So, when do we get some damned impeachments? Who do you have to fellate to get an impeachment around here?

gnome de plume @ 23

Dakine, where is the “Public Listing”? I can’t find one on my profile page. I do find a code in the “create a badge” section.

It should be right next to the Create a badge link, just to the left. Unless you have a security block on your profile maybe?

Ed*ard Teller @ 26

so how do I get one of those little blue F thingies? I put my facebook url up under the website space here, and no blue thingie. Wah…

Instructions from our Lord and Master Kobe are here.

I know this makes great press (a commutation means Bush has something to hide), but what is stopping the Senate (and I do mean Senate) Judiciary Committee from hauling Scooter up there and asking questions, giving him limited use immunity, and slapping him with contempt if he doesn’t answer?

Schumer is framing this well.

I’m glad Jane is giving it amplification

Yes, I may have a security block on. I check that out, thanks. Get with it cleter. ;-)

FDL & TNH have so corupted me. It seems like Schumer is saying water is wet and Axelrod considers this to be news.

The reasons commutation was Bushies choice are obvious.

TomJ @ 18

Good to know that Schumer gets it. The reason I believed that Bush would not pardon Libby was because he could easily be called before Congress or another Grand Jury.

However, think about something else: he has already been tried on these matters of lying. Lying to FBI and to the GJ. Those events are over. Congress or Fitz could still give Libby immunity and cause him to testify. The whole point of going after him was to eventually apply pressure on him. The ability to apply this pressure still exists if we forget about further punishing Libby for what happened a few years ago.

So Schumer is right about why Bush did it, but that should ring a bell: realize that the Libby punishment is over as a means to apply pressure. Get him live on television, have him testify to the things already public (the lies). Get answers, as there can be no executive privilege about public information.

The problem is his case is still in appeals. If they need him they will have to immunize him and it’s not clear that is worth it at this point. If they don’t immunize him they can get him on the more serious charges latter if need be. (You know the stuff he obstructed justice about…)

Redshift @ 26

I’m very glad to see this. The mantra all Democrats must repeat to be prepared before speaking publicly is:

We must be more forceful with the truth than they are with their lies.
They will attack if you tell the truth, they will attack if you shrink from telling uncomfortable truths. You can either spend your time putting them deservedly on the defensive, or responding to attacks that have no logical response because they are deliberately dishonest.
We might well prefer to return to the time when people of differing views worked honestly to craft compromises, but wishing will not make it so. Now is a time for those who will fight for what is right to take the lead, and those who are not to get out of the way.

In that spirit…

Bush and Cheney are holding our troops hostage in Iraq in order to avoid impeachment.

Redshift @ 26

I’m very glad to see this. The mantra all Democrats must repeat to be prepared before speaking publicly is:

We must be more forceful with the truth than they are with their lies.
They will attack if you tell the truth, they will attack if you shrink from telling uncomfortable truths. You can either spend your time putting them deservedly on the defensive, or responding to attacks that have no logical response because they are deliberately dishonest.
We might well prefer to return to the time when people of differing views worked honestly to craft compromises, but wishing will not make it so. Now is a time for those who will fight for what is right to take the lead, and those who are not to get out of the way.

A mantra is a short, concise statement, often meaningless.

The quoted part above is not short – and I didn’t even bother to read it. You wanna repeat something, something that’s simple and easily understood? Try this – any one of these sentences does it:

- The commutation means Scooter successfully blackmailed the President and Vice President by threatening to tell what they did.

- Bushie and Deadeye are Scooter’s Bitches.

- Convicted perjurer Scooter is now the most powerful man in Washington.

I was proud of Schumer yesterday, and Axlerod for making it crystal clear what Schumer was saying. Now that’s some good Sunday Talking Head show!

dakine01 @ 17

TexB @ 13

but not Shooter and Scooter?

Schumer and Shuster sounds like it could be a law firm or a book publisher or some other professional business firm.

Shooter and Scooter sound like they’re members of the bad guy fraternities from Animal House or Revenge Of The Nerds. Which given Chimpy’s M.O., may not be far off the truthiness.

I just watched Animal House with my eleven year old last night…he’s never laughed so hard.

Ed*ard Teller @ 25

so how do I get one of those little blue F thingies? I put my facebook url up under the website space here, and no blue thingie. Wah…

In the far right hand column, where there’s a box titled “Meta”, click and set up to receive a wordpress login e-mail. Login and at the bottom of the proffile is a facebook box to enter you facebook profile page/public listing. copy the facebook info into the box and update wordpress profile and you should then be “F’d” in the facebook sense.

And if that doesn’t work, go back a couple three threads (where Christy talks about joining Facebook), and Kobe/Jane have some instructions.

dakine01 @ 20

Helen @ 16

Yeah Betsy – he’s my Senator and I cold not stand him for the longest time. Now, I’m serioulsy warming up to him and I can forgive him his camera whoring.

He was my senator when I’ve lived in NY. For all his camera hogging, he usually has a damned good reason to call attention to himself in front of the camera. Unlike someone like Biden who seemingly just doesn’t know when to shut up.

Before crossing the street here in New York it’s a good idea to see if you’re between Schumer and a camera…more dangerous than our cabbies any day.

Bay State Librul @ 12

I like Schumer and Schuster

I don’t like Schumer. I’ve seen, time and again, where he has stood as the cautious democratic voice of reason Matt Stoller’s quote references in the previous post; cautious and democratic when a more direct and ballsy approach was called for.

But I have to give credit where credit is due, Chuck got this one right!

I really hate to sound cynical, but it would have shocked me if Shrub did NOT do exactly what he did..

If he let’s Scooter go to jail.. Scooter sings.. If he pardons him.. the Congress or Fitz can make him sing…

No peoples.. the only way Shrubs and Darth’s miserable hides are spared is this technically involving the commutation.. It is the only way to keep Scooter from throwing them all under the bus…

I’ll give Schumer this: When he is good, he is very very good, but when he is bad, he’s…

an apologist for torture,

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), who has taken a tough line against terrorism suspects, alluded to the “high dudgeon” of his Democratic colleagues, saying he wanted to “interject a note of balance here.

“We ought to be reasonable about this,” he told the crowded committee room. “I think there are very few people in this room or in America who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if thousands of lives are at stake.”

Bush, Schumer told Ashcroft, “can hardly be blamed for asking you or his White House counsel or the Department of Defense to figure out when it comes to torture, what the law allows.” But, Schumer said, the debate and decisions should be public.

a blinkered warmonger:

Others who are prominent and visible voices in the party have refused to renounce their votes, including Sens. Joseph Lieberman (Conn.) and Chuck Schumer (N.Y.). In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, Schumer blasted the administration’s handling of Iraq while simultaneously defending his vote authorizing the war.

Asked by “Meet the Press” moderator Tim Russert if he regretted his vote, Schumer said: “Well, no, Tim, because my vote was seen and I still see it as a need to say we must fight a strong and active war on terror.” [Note: quote from 2005, but I’m sure more recent non-apologies can be found]

and a Yellow-Puddle Democrat on issues, like Feingold’s 2006 censure resolution, that should be no-brainers.

I wish I was Fitzy’s brother.
I would tell ‘em to resign and go public
with the damaging info he has…
It pains me to see him villified in the press
and his good work made into a mockery with Bush’s extraordinary commutation (a weird permutation). He is such a good soldier, but we need a Daniel Ellsberg now.
We need a “miracle moment” … the Bush crime
machine is so well oiled with lies and coverups….

Now do I get the little facebook sigil?

I hadn’t been signing in.

Ed*ard Teller @ 25

so how do I get one of those little blue F thingies? I put my facebook url up under the website space here, and no blue thingie. Wah…

You.Will.Conform.

TiredFed @ 32

I know this makes great press (a commutation means Bush has something to hide), but what is stopping the Senate (and I do mean Senate) Judiciary Committee from hauling Scooter up there and asking questions, giving him limited use immunity, and slapping him with contempt if he doesn’t answer?

If Scooter is given limited use immunity does that preclude anything he says from being used against him and others he talks about?

I remember something about the congressional immunity given to that disgrace to the Marine Corps Ollie North being used as the reason for his appellate win.

Does it just attach to the person testifying?

Bay State Librul @ 46

I wish I was Fitzy’s brother.
I would tell ‘em to resign and go public
with the damaging info he has…
It pains me to see him villified in the press
and his good work made into a mockery with Bush’s extraordinary commutation (a weird permutation). He is such a good soldier, but we need a Daniel Ellsberg now.
We need a “miracle moment” … the Bush crime
machine is so well oiled with lies and coverups….

And then what? He’ll lose his license. He’ll never be a prosecutor again. No, we need Fitz to spend the next 30 years cleaning up goverment corruption. As much as I want the Bush cabal put in jail, its should not be on Fitz’s back. He should not be a martyr.

TomJ @ 19

However, think about something else: he has already been tried on these matters of lying. Lying to FBI and to the GJ. Those events are over. Congress or Fitz could still give Libby immunity and cause him to testify. The whole point of going after him was to eventually apply pressure on him. The ability to apply this pressure still exists if we forget about further punishing Libby for what happened a few years ago.

He didn’t tell the truth when he was talking to the frickin’ FBI and a federal grand jury, with the threat of prison time. Why would anyone expect he would tell the truth to Congress, especially with immunity?

As long as Scooter continues the coverup, he’s got a lifetime of wingnut welfare and as many commutations and pardons as he needs. If he spills the beans on Cheney, Shooter will make sure he pays.

OK, let’s see if this is the right link. I couldn’t find any security setting that triggered the no-code, so I dug it out of the badge link. Is this me?

Helen @ 50

Bay State Librul @ 46

I wish I was Fitzy’s brother.
I would tell ‘em to resign and go public
with the damaging info he has…
It pains me to see him villified in the press
and his good work made into a mockery with Bush’s extraordinary commutation (a weird permutation). He is such a good soldier, but we need a Daniel Ellsberg now.
We need a “miracle moment” … the Bush crime
machine is so well oiled with lies and coverups….

And then what? He’ll lose his license. He’ll never be a prosecutor again. No, we need Fitz to spend the next 30 years cleaning up goverment corruption. As much as I want the Bush cabal put in jail, its should not be on Fitz’s back. He should not be a martyr.

But Al Gore could commute his sentence and
pardon him then our nightmare will be over
and we can smile again.

I am starting to have some hope that Congress is getting the message. But I fear what will happen when congress recesses.

The calendar may be working in Mr. Bush’s favor. If he can get through the next three weeks without more defections, Congress will recess until September, returning just as the report from Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker arrives in Washington.

from New York Times

Does Scooter get a refund on his fine, with interest after Bush pardons him?

Bay State Librul @ 46

I wish I was Fitzy’s brother.
I would tell ‘em to resign and go public
with the damaging info he has…
It pains me to see him villified in the press
and his good work made into a mockery with Bush’s extraordinary commutation (a weird permutation). He is such a good soldier, but we need a Daniel Ellsberg now.
We need a “miracle moment” … the Bush crime
machine is so well oiled with lies and coverups….

OMG !!!

Perish THAT thought immediately..

Which is exactly what would happen to Fitz.

This Admin has murdered almost 3/4 of a Million Iraqis and more than 6 thousand Americans and countless Afganis..

Do you really think that would let Fitz tear down their Empire ??

jayackroyd @ 47

Now do I get the little facebook sigil?

I hadn’t been signing in.

You got it.

cleter @ 29

I have neither a blue F thingy nor a facebook page. I’m a loser.

though I am working on two papers, a dissertation, and teaching a class. maybe I can get a blue F thingy when I’m done with one of the other things.

So, when do we get some damned impeachments? Who do you have to fellate to get an impeachment around here?

Cleter check out Marcy’s earlier-than-Fitz post today (link above) for a good laugh. Also, truly there is life after PhD! (How well do I remember those black hole days)!

gnome de plume @ 52

OK, let’s see if this is the right link. I couldn’t find any security setting that triggered the no-code, so I dug it out of the badge link. Is this me?

not yet

james @ 49

TiredFed @ 32

I know this makes great press (a commutation means Bush has something to hide), but what is stopping the Senate (and I do mean Senate) Judiciary Committee from hauling Scooter up there and asking questions, giving him limited use immunity, and slapping him with contempt if he doesn’t answer?

If Scooter is given limited use immunity does that preclude anything he says from being used against him and others he talks about?

I remember something about the congressional immunity given to that disgrace to the Marine Corps Ollie North being used as the reason for his appellate win.

Does it just attach to the person testifying?

yes, that’s what happened with Ollie, and it spoiled later attempts to convict him (his conviction was overturned specifucally because his trial had been “tainted” by immune testimony). But, are we only really after Scooter here? Don’t we really want to get to Cheney, Rove and Bush, who are truly responsible for this mess? As we’ve seen, Scooter will never be held accountable for his artful dodging. And once Bush pardons him in January 2009, we’re sunk.

OT:

I’ve updated my personal information in my Facebook profile.

Just FYI. I tried to answer some of the questions I’ve had a number of people ask me, one place or another.

james @ 49

TiredFed @ 32

I know this makes great press (a commutation means Bush has something to hide), but what is stopping the Senate (and I do mean Senate) Judiciary Committee from hauling Scooter up there and asking questions, giving him limited use immunity, and slapping him with contempt if he doesn’t answer?

If Scooter is given limited use immunity does that preclude anything he says from being used against him and others he talks about?

I remember something about the congressional immunity given to that disgrace to the Marine Corps Ollie North being used as the reason for his appellate win.

Does it just attach to the person testifying?

Not if it can be proven that he lied in his testimony to congress.

The big difference between the two, is that Ollie was provided his immunity before he was indicted and tried. Scoots has already been indicted, tried, and convicted. The immunity would force him to testify while his appeals are still in the system.

TiredFed @ 60

yes, that’s what happened with Ollie, and it spoiled later attempts to convict him (his conviction was overturned specifucally because his trial had been “tainted” by immune testimony). But, are we only really after Scooter here? Don’t we really want to get to Cheney, Rove and Bush, who are truly responsible for this mess? As we’ve seen, Scooter will never be held accountable for his artful dodging. And once Bush pardons him in January 2009, we’re sunk.

Can Bush pardon Libby for crimes not yet charged?

John Forde @ 36

FDL & TNH have so corupted me. It seems like Schumer is saying water is wet and Axelrod considers this to be news.

The reasons commutation was Bushies choice are obvious.

Yeah, I know. I came home from a family reunion, and Ms. Redshift told me the news, and I was immediately able to explain exactly why he’d done it (and got to shout at the clueless Richard Wolffe on Countdown, who didn’t get it, and cheer David Shuster, who did.)

A large majority of Americans instinctively understood that it was wrong. And yet a substantial portion of our media were drawn into absurd storylines that Bush was somehow motivated by “splitting the difference” between what was right and the pardon his base wanted. (However, on the plus side, a lot of the wingnuts seem to have bought that argument, too, and they’re not happy with it.)

Helen @ 50

Bay State Librul @ 46

I wish I was Fitzy’s brother.
I would tell ‘em to resign and go public
with the damaging info he has…
It pains me to see him villified in the press
and his good work made into a mockery with Bush’s extraordinary commutation (a weird permutation). He is such a good soldier, but we need a Daniel Ellsberg now.
We need a “miracle moment” … the Bush crime
machine is so well oiled with lies and coverups….

And then what? He’ll lose his license. He’ll never be a prosecutor again. No, we need Fitz to spend the next 30 years cleaning up goverment corruption. As much as I want the Bush cabal put in jail, its should not be on Fitz’s back. He should not be a martyr.

huh? Fitz is gonna be asked to resign in the next Administration anyway (if not before). I agree, if this is not enough to convince Fitz to resign, either he has something up his sleeve, or .. I dont want to think about it.

cleter @ 29

So, when do we get some damned impeachments? Who do you have to fellate to get an impeachment around here?

The President, apparently. I think that’s what’s stopping everyone.

punaise @ 27

Chuck has a few Ned Lamont demerits to work off, as I recall. This is a good start.

You took the words right out of my big mouth – the male Senator from NY has many flaws, not the least being the influence of HoJo and damage he did to the superior Ned Lamont campaign. Trust but verify whenever Hillary or Schumer appear to deserve netroots kudos.

;~)

Sara will testify

We just got off the phone with Tracy Schmaler, a spokesperson for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Democratic majority. Schmaler told us it is her understanding that — despite President Bush’s invocation of executive privilege in regards to the testimony of former White House staffers Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers about the ongoing U.S. Attorneys scandal — Taylor will still appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

Schmaler says she learned that from Taylor’s lawyer, W. Neil Eggleston, earlier Monday afternoon. When called for confirmation by Salon, Eggleston was unavailable. He has not yet returned a message left seeking comment.

Redshift @ 51

TomJ @ 19

However, think about something else: he has already been tried on these matters of lying. Lying to FBI and to the GJ. Those events are over. Congress or Fitz could still give Libby immunity and cause him to testify. The whole point of going after him was to eventually apply pressure on him. The ability to apply this pressure still exists if we forget about further punishing Libby for what happened a few years ago.

He didn’t tell the truth when he was talking to the frickin’ FBI and a federal grand jury, with the threat of prison time. Why would anyone expect he would tell the truth to Congress, especially with immunity?

As long as Scooter continues the coverup, he’s got a lifetime of wingnut welfare and as many commutations and pardons as he needs. If he spills the beans on Cheney, Shooter will make sure he pays.

what if Congress finds a nice comfy jail cell in D.C. somewhere while he decides to come clean or not? Do you think that might persuade him?

gnome de plume @ 52

OK, let’s see if this is the right link. I couldn’t find any security setting that triggered the no-code, so I dug it out of the badge link. Is this me?

It’s trying to load your page then directs me to my news feed page.

edit: Go to your profile page. On the top right corner there are four small links for “home, account, privacy, logout.” Check your settings under privacy and that may be where the hang-up is located.

snowbird42 @ 68

Sara will testify

We just got off the phone with Tracy Schmaler, a spokesperson for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Democratic majority. Schmaler told us it is her understanding that — despite President Bush’s invocation of executive privilege in regards to the testimony of former White House staffers Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers about the ongoing U.S. Attorneys scandal — Taylor will still appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

Schmaler says she learned that from Taylor’s lawyer, W. Neil Eggleston, earlier Monday afternoon. When called for confirmation by Salon, Eggleston was unavailable. He has not yet returned a message left seeking comment.

I love Schuster, Schumer and Schmaler…

Elliott @ 63

TiredFed @ 60

yes, that’s what happened with Ollie, and it spoiled later attempts to convict him (his conviction was overturned specifucally because his trial had been “tainted” by immune testimony). But, are we only really after Scooter here? Don’t we really want to get to Cheney, Rove and Bush, who are truly responsible for this mess? As we’ve seen, Scooter will never be held accountable for his artful dodging. And once Bush pardons him in January 2009, we’re sunk.

Can Bush pardon Libby for crimes not yet charged?

short answer = yes.

We may have an interesting situation. One of the “little people” who Clusterfuck ordered not to testify to congress may apparently testify anyway….Can clusterfuck KEEP her from testifying? Can he send Gonzo and armed guards to pull her off the stand waving “executive privilege”? That’d be kinda fun huh? Can’t remember a prez claiming privilege on a witness who had AGREED to testify…how’s that work lawyers?

TiredFed @ 72

Elliott @ 63

Can Bush pardon Libby for crimes not yet charged?

short answer = yes.

damn

TiredFed @ 65

Helen @ 50

And then what? He’ll lose his license. He’ll never be a prosecutor again. No, we need Fitz to spend the next 30 years cleaning up goverment corruption. As much as I want the Bush cabal put in jail, its should not be on Fitz’s back. He should not be a martyr.

huh? Fitz is gonna be asked to resign in the next Administration anyway (if not before). I agree, if this is not enough to convince Fitz to resign, either he has something up his sleeve, or .. I dont want to think about it.

If he is asked to resign (and you are right, he probably will be) he could always go back to being a line prosecutor. This is just a wild-arsed guess, but he probably would not mind that. Believe me, being the boss is not necessarily what it is cracked up to be. And line prosecutors are career postitions. I think that any USA office in the country would love to have him. Again, just a wild-arsed guess.

rwcole @ 73

We may have an interesting situation. One of the “little people” who Clusterfuck ordered not to testify to congress may apparently testify anyway….Can clusterfuck KEEP her from testifying? Can he send Gonzo and armed guards to pull her off the stand waving “executive privilege”? That’d be kinda fun huh? Can’t remember a prez claiming privilege on a witness who had AGREED to testify…how’s that work lawyers?

Wouldn’t it be a Freedom of Speech issue
that would trump Bushco?

rwcole @ 73

We may have an interesting situation. One of the “little people” who Clusterfuck ordered not to testify to congress may apparently testify anyway….Can clusterfuck KEEP her from testifying? Can he send Gonzo and armed guards to pull her off the stand waving “executive privilege”? That’d be kinda fun huh? Can’t remember a prez claiming privilege on a witness who had AGREED to testify…how’s that work lawyers?

hmmm. I’m feeling a touch of the flu coming on. cough cough. ought to be in full bloom by wednesday.

Elliott @ 63

Can Bush pardon Libby for crimes not yet charged?

I believe so. Ford granted Nixon such a presumptive pardon based on uncharged crimes, right?

“”Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.”

I suppose Scoots could have dreamed up some other excuses for exercising the fifth anyway- after all- the “underlying crime” is still out there. Just cause Fitz didn’t charge it doesn’t mean it isn’t there to charge. Under a dem administration, an attorney general might pick it up again.

Elliott @ 74

TiredFed @ 72

short answer = yes.

damn

I call it pulling a Fletcher.

rwcole @ 73

We may have an interesting situation. One of the “little people” who Clusterfuck ordered not to testify to congress may apparently testify anyway….Can clusterfuck KEEP her from testifying? Can he send Gonzo and armed guards to pull her off the stand waving “executive privilege”? That’d be kinda fun huh? Can’t remember a prez claiming privilege on a witness who had AGREED to testify…how’s that work lawyers?

I would not put it past ChimpCo to act like they don’t want her up there. I think she’s a true believer and will act accordingly. Red herring.

TiredFed @ 70

what if Congress finds a nice comfy jail cell in D.C. somewhere while he decides to come clean or not? Do you think that might persuade him?

No, I think Bush would just pardon him for any contempt of Congress conviction. He can’t really sink any lower in the public mind on Libby-related conduct (unless the truth comes out, that is.) I don’t think he’d even bother being subtle about it — he’d just declare the whole thing to be a political witch hunt, trying to “get” poor Scooter in revenge for his commutation.

newtonusr @ 81

rwcole @ 73

We may have an interesting situation. One of the “little people” who Clusterfuck ordered not to testify to congress may apparently testify anyway….Can clusterfuck KEEP her from testifying? Can he send Gonzo and armed guards to pull her off the stand waving “executive privilege”? That’d be kinda fun huh? Can’t remember a prez claiming privilege on a witness who had AGREED to testify…how’s that work lawyers?

I would not put it past ChimpCo to act like they don’t want her up there. I think she’s a true believer and will act accordingly. Red herring.

Could she be Monica’s twin sister?

dakine01 @ 80

Elliott @ 74

damn

I call it pulling a Fletcher.

I’m sorry, can you explain the reference?

newtonusr @ 81

I would not put it past ChimpCo to act like they don’t want her up there. I think she’s a true believer and will act accordingly. Red herring.

Anyone know anything about Sara Taylor? Is she another madrassah-educated ideologue like Goodling?

Helen @ 75

TiredFed @ 65

huh? Fitz is gonna be asked to resign in the next Administration anyway (if not before). I agree, if this is not enough to convince Fitz to resign, either he has something up his sleeve, or .. I dont want to think about it.

I thought Fitz had a special prosecutorial immunity from being fired – at least that seemed to be the reality prior to the Libby trial. Am I missing something here?

If he is asked to resign (and you are right, he probably will be) he could always go back to being a line prosecutor. This is just a wild-arsed guess, but he probably would not mind that. Believe me, being the boss is not necessarily what it is cracked up to be. And line prosecutors are career postitions. I think that any USA office in the country would love to have him. Again, just a wild-arsed guess.

Newton:

“Leahy said that he expected Taylor, Bush’s former political director, to testify as scheduled before the Senate panel on Wednesday. Fielding tried to head off any possibility that she would tell the story the president believes is protected under the privilege.

“I respectfully request that you inform Ms. Taylor that the president has directed her not to provide this testimony,” Fielding wrote in a letter Monday to Neil Eggleston, her lawyer. Eggleston did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Taylor was included on e-mails about the firings released earlier this year by the Justice Department, and Leahy believes she could answer questions about those and other matters. She also sent potentially thousands of e-mails on a Republican National Committee account outside the White House. Leahy said those communications are are not covered by executive privilege.”

Beats me what’s goin on- legal high wire act it looks like.

snowbird42 @ 68

Sara will testify

We just got off the phone with Tracy Schmaler, a spokesperson for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Democratic majority. Schmaler told us it is her understanding that — despite President Bush’s invocation of executive privilege in regards to the testimony of former White House staffers Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers about the ongoing U.S. Attorneys scandal — Taylor will still appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

Schmaler says she learned that from Taylor’s lawyer, W. Neil Eggleston, earlier Monday afternoon. When called for confirmation by Salon, Eggleston was unavailable. He has not yet returned a message left seeking comment.

That is good news if it really happens! I remain skeptical!

dakine01 @ 80

Elliott @ 74

damn

I call it pulling a Fletcher.

Funny Stuff.. I was thinking the same thing..

I was actually a victim of Flether’s underlying crime !!!

Make it sing:

The commutation was to shut down communication.

rwcole @ 87

“I respectfully request that you inform Ms. Taylor that the president has directed her not to provide this testimony,” Fielding wrote in a letter Monday to Neil Eggleston, her lawyer. Eggleston did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

That letter reads like a declaration of war on Congress.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/p…..070807.pdf

Sara Taylor graduated from Drake U. in Iowa.

Claiming the fifth on the basis of the “underlying crime” is probably a MUCH better play for Scoots than claimin the fifth on the basis of his appeal on perjury charges…It would probably provide BROADER defense against questioning.

Sara Taylor to show up Wednesday

We just got off the phone with Tracy Schmaler, a spokesperson for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Democratic majority. Schmaler told us it is her understanding that — despite President Bush’s invocation of executive privilege in regards to the testimony of former White House staffers Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers about the ongoing U.S. Attorneys scandal — Taylor will still appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. (snip)

Taylor Will Appear before Senate Judiciary Committee

OT.
I was thinking about a safe withdrawal for our troops in Iraq. Then I was thinking about this story out of Iraq (below).
And I thought, ‘What if, as our troops pulled back to staging areas so they could fly/ship home, we had NGO medical/food/supply convoys ready to move in.’
Our soldiers move out, help moves in….
Our boys/girls will have a far greater chance of getting to the airports/ports if they don’t have to fight their way out.
The Iraq people just want us to leave. They want their country back and they need international N.G.O’s/regular people’s help to rebuild, heal and forgive(the forgiving part may take a long time!).
The Iraq government can say ‘Saddam is gone. Thank-you to all who genuinely tried to help’ and now as promised, America is now going home.

Could we do something like that?

Many of Kurdistan’s 48 hospitals and 672 primary health care centres lack basic medicines and medical supplies

BAGHDAD, 1 July 2007 (IRIN) – The semi-autonomous government of Kurdistan, in northern Iraq, has issued a global plea for medical supplies to ensure patients there receive required treatment. It blamed violence in other parts of Iraq for the dire shortage of supplies in the north.

“With the current situation in the south of Iraq, and particularly Baghdad, it is very hard for us to get the materials, equipment, and pharmaceuticals that we need,” Dr Abdul-Rahman Osman Younis, the region’s health minister, said in an appeal issued late June.

http://gorillasguides.com/2007…..#more-1444

newspaperbrat AT 86 – Fitz can not be fired as Special Counsel now. But his term as USA is up as soon as a new president comes in. Most likely all 93 will be fired. And with that I believe goes his designation as Special Counsel.

Elliott @ 84

dakine01 @ 80

I call it pulling a Fletcher.

I’m sorry, can you explain the reference?

I can…

Ernie Crowned himself Kink of Kentucky and literally shut down an investigation of his own Administration…

I happened to be one of the loyal rabid liberals that he persecuted out of a civil Service job…

OT – Good news for many of us! I wonder what champagne will do?

Chateau du Colgate!

Merlot mouthwash? Wine can fight germs
Research shows both red and white wine can kill dental bacteria

By Jeanna Bryner

Updated: 8:49 a.m. MT July 6, 2007
Drinking wine can maintain heart health, prevent cancer and even settle a mean case of diarrhea. Research now shows it’s also good for your teeth and throat.

According to a new study, a cocktail of compounds found in both red and white wine fights germs that can cause dental plaque as well as sore throats.

“Exposure to wine had a persistent antibacterial effect,” the authors wrote in their study, detailed in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. Prior to their research, the authors said the effects of wine against germs found in the mouth hadn’t been studied.

…

Good for Schumer.

The White House is itching for a showdown. Hope it comes soon.

Millineryman @ 94

Taylor Will Appear before Senate Judiciary Committee

Perhaps she really has nothing to say

Elliott @ 84

dakine01 @ 80

I call it pulling a Fletcher.

I’m sorry, can you explain the reference?

The current, corrupt governor of Kentucky is Ernie Fletcher. When the Dem AG of Kentucky started indicting members of Fletcher’s admin through a grand jury investigation of misuse of the State “Merit system” (KY version of civil service – basically they were identifying “good Republics” to fill open civil service positions which is against the law), he issued a blanket pardon to all members of his admin, except for himself, for any and all crimes associated with the investigation. The AG wound up indicting the Governor for a couple of misdemeaners and they negotiated a settlement without any admisison of criminal wrong doing by the Gov although he did have to admit that crimes had occurred.

He is trying to tap dance away from it all now but is trailing in the polls to the progressive Dem, Steve Beshear by sixty something to twenty something. Election is in November of this year so he will soon be ex-Governor.

One more obstruction of justice and Bush has himself another trifecta.

ccmask @ 102

One more obstruction of justice and Bush has himself another trifecta.

That we know about…

Good for Schumer, but is it too much to expect just a little more rhetorical and verbal competence from a sitting Senator?

“We are looking into the possibility that the commutation was used as part of an ongoing cover-up of criminal activity by the Office of the Vice President, designed to leave convicted felon Libby in a condition of continued legal peril and enabling him to claim Fifth Amendment privileges to avoid testifying before Congress about his activities as part of this criminal conspiracy to expose an undercover CIA agent.”

You know, something coherent like that.

Ed*ard Teller, if you’re still here, this is for you. From the AP via NYTimes, “Stevens fears impact of current probe.”

dakine01 @ 101

Elliott @ 84

I’m sorry, can you explain the reference?

The current, corrupt governor of Kentucky is Ernie Fletcher. When the Dem AG of Kentucky started indicting members of Fletcher’s admin through a grand jury investigation of misuse of the State “Merit system” (KY version of civil service – basically they were identifying “good Republics” to fill open civil service positions which is against the law), he issued a blanket pardon to all members of his admin, except for himself, for any and all crimes associated with the investigation. The AG wound up indicting the Governor for a couple of misdemeaners and they negotiated a settlement without any admisison of criminal wrong doing by the Gov although he did have to admit that crimes had occurred.

He is trying to tap dance away from it all now but is trailing in the polls to the progressive Dem, Steve Beshear by sixty something to twenty something. Election is in November of this year so he will soon be ex-Governor.

OK, now I get it. Thanks for explaining it to me.

Blub @ 78

Elliott @ 63

Can Bush pardon Libby for crimes not yet charged?

I believe so. Ford granted Nixon such a presumptive pardon based on uncharged crimes, right?

“”Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.”

And Daddy Bush did it for Casper (and perhaps others) didn’t he?

ccmask @ 102

One more obstruction of justice and Bush has himself another trifecta.

works for me.

Of the various bad options available to Sir Clusterfuck- an esoteric debate about Executive Privilege may be among the better ones.

Helen @ 96

newspaperbrat AT 86 – Fitz can not be fired as Special Counsel now. But his term as USA is up as soon as a new president comes in. Most likely all 93 will be fired. And with that I believe goes his designation as Special Counsel.

It is really up to the incoming President to decide who to ask to resign when. He can be kept around as long as the new President wants.

dakine01 @ 101

Elliott @ 84

I’m sorry, can you explain the reference?

The current, corrupt governor of Kentucky is Ernie Fletcher. When the Dem AG of Kentucky started indicting members of Fletcher’s admin through a grand jury investigation of misuse of the State “Merit system” (KY version of civil service – basically they were identifying “good Republics” to fill open civil service positions which is against the law), he issued a blanket pardon to all members of his admin, except for himself, for any and all crimes associated with the investigation. The AG wound up indicting the Governor for a couple of misdemeaners and they negotiated a settlement without any admisison of criminal wrong doing by the Gov although he did have to admit that crimes had occurred.

He is trying to tap dance away from it all now but is trailing in the polls to the progressive Dem, Steve Beshear by sixty something to twenty something. Election is in November of this year so he will soon be ex-Governor.

I am actively helping the Dems cause..

I have met Dr. Dan (Lt. Gov nominee) several times.. Don’t give up on Ky.. we were a “Blue” state and still have a vast Dem majority of registered voters..

King Ernie is the first rethug governor in over 30 years..
and hopefully the last in my lifetime..

We just need to replace the corrupt “Bitch” McConnell and brain-dead spitballer Jim Bunning

Here is a letter from Diane Feinstein:

Dear Ms. McCurnin:

Thank you for your letter concerning impeachment proceedings against President Bush. I appreciate the time you took to write and welcome the opportunity to respond.

In our recent elections, the American people expressed clear disapproval with the path this country was on. They are tired of partisan politics and of an Administration that pays little heed to the wishes of the American people. They want-and deserve-a Congress that holds the Administration accountable and fulfills its Constitutional responsibility to check and balance the Executive. I share this sentiment and am determined to work hard and across party lines in the United States Senate to promote issues that are of real concern to most Americans, including the situation in Iraqand Afghanistan, homeland security, global warming, and lobbying and election reform.

At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush will only divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while having little chance of success.

I have been deeply disappointed by many of this Administration’s actions and have been outspoken in those instances. Nevertheless, given the challenges our country faces I believe that we need to focus on constructive and cooperative steps that would lead us in the right direction.

Again, thank you for your continued correspondence. If you have any further questions or comments, please contact my office in Washington, D.C.at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.

Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

Jeebus H. Whozits!!! This country is no longer divided. What is wrong with these people?????

Millineryman @ 94

Sara Taylor to show up Wednesday

We just got off the phone with Tracy Schmaler, a spokesperson for the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Democratic majority. Schmaler told us it is her understanding that — despite President Bush’s invocation of executive privilege in regards to the testimony of former White House staffers Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers about the ongoing U.S. Attorneys scandal — Taylor will still appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. (snip)

Taylor Will Appear before Senate Judiciary Committee

If she pleads the Fifth, it could prove to be mighty interesting, but, it would defuse the Contempt charges!

OT: TPM rips up Tony Snow using nothing but Lugar!

ROFL material.

Mojo

Can’t believe that Bunning made it through last time- they practically sealed his mouth during the campaing to keep it from losing the election.

Dakine or mod, could you check out the f link? I joined a network, since that seems to block some linking, but I am not sure what security settings would undo whatever block is keeping me from seeing my own public link address.

marymccurnin @ 92

Sara Taylor graduated from Drake U. in Iowa.

That’s a real university, right? Oh well, I guess they can’t all be from madrassahs. Speaking of which, I’m unclear what it means to be a “true believer” in this context. A true believer in conservative values? (surely lying to Congress, treasonable behavior and obstruction of justice aren’t “conservative values) A true believer in the legal construct of executive privilege?(not sure if there are any of these outside of Samuel Alito) A true believer in shrub personally? (OK, maybe Harriet and Abu are in this category, but there can’t be anybody else) At some point, the snakes have to turn on each other…

Mojo @ 111

dakine01 @ 101

The current, corrupt governor of Kentucky is Ernie Fletcher. When the Dem AG of Kentucky started indicting members of Fletcher’s admin through a grand jury investigation of misuse of the State “Merit system” (KY version of civil service – basically they were identifying “good Republics” to fill open civil service positions which is against the law), he issued a blanket pardon to all members of his admin, except for himself, for any and all crimes associated with the investigation. The AG wound up indicting the Governor for a couple of misdemeaners and they negotiated a settlement without any admisison of criminal wrong doing by the Gov although he did have to admit that crimes had occurred.

He is trying to tap dance away from it all now but is trailing in the polls to the progressive Dem, Steve Beshear by sixty something to twenty something. Election is in November of this year so he will soon be ex-Governor.

I am actively helping the Dems cause..

I have met Dr. Dan (Lt. Gov nominee) several times.. Don’t give up on Ky.. we were a “Blue” state and still have a vast Dem majority of registered voters..

King Ernie is the first rethug governor in over 30 years..
and hopefully the last in my lifetime..

We just need to replace the corrupt “Bitch” McConnell and brain-dead spitballer Jim Bunning

MoJo,
Where are you? I grew up in Cynthiana. My father was a retired highway dept employee covered by the Merit system.

So, shouldn’t the next step be to call Libby to testify under oath, so he can invoke the 5th in public and make obvious what Schumer can only suggest?

Hey! I’m a FDL Facebook member, how do I get that ‘F’ thingy???

gnome de plume @ 116

Dakine or mod, could you check out the f link? I joined a network, since that seems to block some linking, but I am not sure what security settings would undo whatever block is keeping me from seeing my own public link address.

Whatever you did, it worked and I sent a friend request.

Imagine how many capers the Bush mob has pulled which we will probably never find out about.

Slightly OT but the diaries of Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair’s Spin Doctor, were published this morning. They contain the following amazing passage, quoted in Guardian Unlimited

The diaries report that George Bush and Dick Cheney, the US vice-president, were split over whether to go back to the United Nations to seek a new security council resolution in the run-up to the Iraq war. At talks with Mr Blair at Camp David, Mr Bush said Mr Cheney wanted an immediate invasion. “As we left, Bush joked to me ‘I suppose you can tell the story of how Tony flew in and pulled the crazed unilateralist back from the brink’.”

The real problem in what is now clearly a major US constutional crisis is not that the Bushies believe in a unitary executive, but that not a few of them don’t think the President needs to be head of that executive while there are great men like the Veep around.

I’m very scared.

CTuttle @ 120

Hey! I’m a FDL Facebook member, how do I get that ‘F’ thingy???

I joined facebook and the FDL facebook thingy, but I’m unclear on what it is I’m supposed to do with it, that I cannot do here, tha is…

rwcole @ 115

Mojo

Can’t believe that Bunning made it through last time- they practically sealed his mouth during the campaing to keep it from losing the election.

Actually they DID..

I remember a scheduled “debate” between him and Dr. Dan which was supposed to be live. Instead Bunning answered pre-prepared questions from a studio in DC..

CTuttle @ 120

Hey! I’m a FDL Facebook member, how do I get that ‘F’ thingy???

See Redshift’s link @ #31 this thread…

gnome de plume @ 116

Dakine or mod, could you check out the f link? I joined a network, since that seems to block some linking, but I am not sure what security settings would undo whatever block is keeping me from seeing my own public link address.

It works for me. Takes me right to your Facebook page.

CTuttle @ 120

Hey! I’m a FDL Facebook member, how do I get that ‘F’ thingy???

New feature on the right hand side bar where you sign up for an “account.” Once you do that and they send you a password, log in and fill in the boxes. There’s one on the bottom left that asks for your facebook url. Once entered and logged in it should show up.

Mojo @ 111

I am actively helping the Dems cause..

I have met Dr. Dan (Lt. Gov nominee) several times.. Don’t give up on Ky.. we were a “Blue” state and still have a vast Dem majority of registered voters..

King Ernie is the first rethug governor in over 30 years..
and hopefully the last in my lifetime..

We just need to replace the corrupt “Bitch” McConnell and brain-dead spitballer Jim Bunning

MoJo,
Where are you? I grew up in Cynthiana. My father was a retired highway dept employee covered by the Merit system.

I’m in Louisville, but worked in Frankfort.. Until Ernie’s boy R. Rudolph decided the the merit system did not apply to me…

GordonM @ 114

OT: TPM rips up Tony Snow using nothing but Lugar!

ROFL material.

that’s a very effective way to make a point

Chetnolian @ 123

what is now clearly a major US constutional crisis

I’m still unclear on what constitutes a constitutional crisis legally, speaking, and how one is supposed to be resolved… except by compromise between the branches. Thinking back to secondary school history, weren’t there only 3, all in the 19th century, and all started by South Carolina (just kidding)? The Nullification Crisis, the start of the Civil War and something during reconstruction, if I recall correctly.

dakine01 @ 121

gnome de plume @ 116

Dakine or mod, could you check out the f link? I joined a network, since that seems to block some linking, but I am not sure what security settings would undo whatever block is keeping me from seeing my own public link address.

Whatever you did, it worked and I sent a friend request.

It was joining the network that did it. The public listing now appears on my profile. It was the same url that I had dug out of the badge thingy, but joining the network is what opened my link to the world, evidently.

Bush has the goods on the whole Congress. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Mary McCurnin @112 -

That letter from Feinstein is a real crock. Spineless Dems. Makes me angry. Like the Senate is doing so dam well on any/all of the issues she names in her letter.

Anyway, you did good by contacting her.

And I didn’t really want to join a network. I don’t live in a city and my school is too big for it to be useful, so hopefully I can ignore the one I “had” to join.

ccmask @ 133

Bush has the goods on the whole Congress. Move along. Nothing to see here.

that’s what I’m afraid of.

For anyone interested in research, Balkinization has an exhaustive list of article re “Torture, Interrogation, Detention, War Powers, Executive Authority, DOJ and OLC”.

snowyegret @ 134

Mary McCurnin @112 -

That letter from Feinstein is a real crock. Spineless Dems. Makes me angry. Like the Senate is doing so dam well on any/all of the issues she names in her letter.

Anyway, you did good by contacting her.

She is going to hear from me again.

RevDeb @ 128

CTuttle @ 120

Hey! I’m a FDL Facebook member, how do I get that ‘F’ thingy???

New feature on the right hand side bar where you sign up for an “account.” Once you do that and they send you a password, log in and fill in the boxes. There’s one on the bottom left that asks for your facebook url. Once entered and logged in it should show up.

Mahalo, Y’all!!! I’m awaiting my e-mail!!!

TPM has a list of witnesses for Wednesday’s Judiciary Committee hearing.

Elliott @ 136

ccmask @ 133

Bush has the goods on the whole Congress. Move along. Nothing to see here.

that’s what I’m afraid of.

Yea…

and congress has the goods on Jeb..

Doesn’t anyone ever wonder why they don’t even try for s Bush Trifecta ??

gnome de plume @ 135

And I didn’t really want to join a network. I don’t live in a city and my school is too big for it to be useful, so hopefully I can ignore the one I “had” to join.

Well, you’re in a network with Amanda FWIW.

Every once in a while Schumer gets some spine, but the next time I look he is once again supine.

marymccurnin @ 138

snowyegret @ 134

Mary McCurnin @112 -

That letter from Feinstein is a real crock. Spineless Dems. Makes me angry. Like the Senate is doing so dam well on any/all of the issues she names in her letter.

Anyway, you did good by contacting her.

She is going to hear from me again.

Go get ‘er Mary! I naievely thought that Feinstein, as a member of Judiciary cared a bit more about the lawlessness … but, I guess I was mistaken. Thanks, Mary.

From TPM -

Here are the witnesses who are scheduled to testify this Wednesday for the House Judiciary Committee’s hearing on Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence:

Ambassador Joseph Wilson

Roger Adams, US Department of Justice Pardon Attorney

Douglas A. Berman, William B. Saxbe Designated Professor of Law, Moritz College of Law, The Ohio State University

Tom Cochran, Assistant Federal Public Defender, Middle District of North Carolina (Attorney for Vincent Rita, Rita v. US)

David Rifkin, partner, Baker & Hostetler LLP, former Justice Department official during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations

OK, this sucks. The fdl-facebook interface wouldn’t accept Ed*ard Teller as a name, even without a space between Ed*ard and Teller. Is it hostile to asterisks, or what? Now it won’t let me edit out my real name, which I’d prefer it to do.

PhilipMunger @ 143

Every once in a while Schumer gets some spine, but the next time I look he is once again supine.

Did you see my comment #105? I thought you might get a chuckle from the understatement of the headline…

rwcole @ 115

Mojo

Can’t believe that Bunning made it through last time- they practically sealed his mouth during the campaing to keep it from losing the election.

Bunning was once a great pitcher, but now he is lobbing up nothing but spins…
up zeroes

PhilipMunger @ 143

Every once in a while Schumer gets some spine, but the next time I look he is once again supine.

Took me a second ET.

AZ Matt @ 145

From TPM -

Here are the witnesses who are scheduled to testify this Wednesday for the House Judiciary Committee’s hearing on Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence:

Ambassador Joseph Wilson

Roger Adams, US Department of Justice Pardon Attorney

Douglas A. Berman, William B. Saxbe Designated Professor of Law, Moritz College of Law, The Ohio State University

Tom Cochran, Assistant Federal Public Defender, Middle District of North Carolina (Attorney for Vincent Rita, Rita v. US)

David Rifkin, partner, Baker & Hostetler LLP, former Justice Department official during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations

David Rifkin is a fucking nut case… saw him on Hardnuts last week talking out of his arse

Heh, ET, we spell our first name the same.

Bay State Librul @ 148

rwcole @ 115

Mojo

Can’t believe that Bunning made it through last time- they practically sealed his mouth during the campaing to keep it from losing the election.

Bunning was once a great pitcher, but now he is lobbing up nothing but spins…
up zeroes

Not being facetious but Alzheimer’s has been mentioned.

dakine01 @ 142

gnome de plume @ 135

And I didn’t really want to join a network. I don’t live in a city and my school is too big for it to be useful, so hopefully I can ignore the one I “had” to join.

I didn’t join a network and it’s working for me.

Well, you’re in a network with Amanda FWIW.

My reply to Diane.

Dear Senator Feinstein,

I just received your letter in response to my urging the impeachment of the Bush/Cheney cabal.

You wrote:

“At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush will only
divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while
having little chance of success.”

I am sorry but you are wrong to think that impeachment would divide this country. The people
of the United States of America are ready for justice to be done. It may make the democrats
in the Senate uncomfortable to take a strong stand but ridding the nation of an immoral and
corrupt administration is part of your job.

Sincerely,

Mary M. McCurnin

dakine01 @ 152

Bay State Librul @ 148

Bunning was once a great pitcher, but now he is lobbing up nothing but spins…
up zeroes

Not being facetious but Alzheimer’s has been mentioned.

Thanks, I didn’t know that… I saw him at a Red Sox game a few years back… he was being
honored for his no-hitter against the Red Hose… He did appear to be anxious… but maybe it was the fans…

marymccurnin @ 154

My reply to Diane.

Dear Senator Feinstein,

I just received your letter in response to my urging the impeachment of the Bush/Cheney cabal.

You wrote:

“At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush will only
divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while
having little chance of success.”

I am sorry but you are wrong to think that impeachment would divide this country. The people
of the United States of America are ready for justice to be done. It may make the democrats
in the Senate uncomfortable to take a strong stand but ridding the nation of an immoral and
corrupt administration is part of your job.

Sincerely,

Mary M. McCurnin

good for you!

marymccurnin @ 154

My reply to Diane.

Dear Senator Feinstein,

I just received your letter in response to my urging the impeachment of the Bush/Cheney cabal.

You wrote:

“At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush will only
divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while
having little chance of success.”

I am sorry but you are wrong to think that impeachment would divide this country. The people
of the United States of America are ready for justice to be done. It may make the democrats
in the Senate uncomfortable to take a strong stand but ridding the nation of an immoral and
corrupt administration is part of your job.

Sincerely,

Mary M. McCurnin

I like it!

Amazing how Roveco knows how to be Sun Tzu with the law. Man, they really slice and dice us with this stuff.

Bay State Librul @ 155

dakine01 @ 152

Not being facetious but Alzheimer’s has been mentioned.

Thanks, I didn’t know that… I saw him at a Red Sox game a few years back… he was being
honored for his no-hitter against the Red Hose… He did appear to be anxious… but maybe it was the fans…

That was part of the pundit discussion after he blew off showing up for the debate with Mongiardo in person and “participated” from I believe the Senate studios in DC.

OT – guy on Hardball just said that “if Cheney got any more secretive, he’d be a covert CIA agent. And then he’d blow himself”.

ok, so I may have just made up that second sentence myself.

Great reply Mary!!

new thread upstairs

I’d love to see impeacment banners in SF with
the All Star affair…
Who knows maybe Bush can pre-pardon Bonds before he is indicted for Steroids… (If our
Maine dem Mitchell issues a poor grade)

AHA!!!

Blub @ 117

marymccurnin @ 92

Sara Taylor graduated from Drake U. in Iowa.

That’s a real university, right? Oh well, I guess they can’t all be from madrassahs. Speaking of which, I’m unclear what it means to be a “true believer” in this context. A true believer in conservative values? (surely lying to Congress, treasonable behavior and obstruction of justice aren’t “conservative values) A true believer in the legal construct of executive privilege?(not sure if there are any of these outside of Samuel Alito) A true believer in shrub personally? (OK, maybe Harriet and Abu are in this category, but there can’t be anybody else) At some point, the snakes have to turn on each other…

No, Say it isn’t so! I am a Drake University Alum!

jayt

“Blow himself”

That’s funny!!!

FYI, new thread

IrishJim @ 165

No, Say it isn’t so! I am a Drake University Alum!

sorry about any confusion :).. to clarify, I said that Drake is a real leading university (and I believe one of the oldest law schools in the midwest), and not a madrassah like Monica Goodling’s Regents U

PhilipMunger @ 146

OK, this sucks. The fdl-facebook interface wouldn’t accept Ed*ard Teller as a name, even without a space between Ed*ard and Teller. Is it hostile to asterisks, or what? Now it won’t let me edit out my real name, which I’d prefer it to do.

Try:

Ed Ard Teller

Signed, E. Greg Ious

Oklahoma kiddo @ 122

Imagine how many capers the Bush mob has pulled which we will probably never find out about.

That’s not as crazed as it sounds.

In the mid-80s people in special ops units, both army and Marine, were instructed to get passports. They would then purchase tickets to places in Central America or South America where they would join up with their units or the specific teams that were sent ther for specific operations.

This kept everything under the radar…no orders were cut, no tropp movements were mentioned, no one knew a thing. I know of at least one person who was killed during a mission in Central America whose death was reported as an accident that supposedly took place within CONUS but was actually in El Salvador. He was a reservist and we all thought he was attending drills until years later when someone involved in the operation talked.

The Reagan years saw many, many covert ops that weren’t reported on; I believe that’s why Georgie had to make sure those records never became public when they were supposed to in 2001.

Senator Schumer is a super hawk on Israel and a liberal on everything else. Still think that Schumer may have been in support of taking Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty out to undermine the A*P*C Rosen Espionage trial that has been delayed 6 or 7 times.

Schumer sleeps with Hedge Funds, $Whales$, A*P*C, and other toxic fishes.

Schumer will stymie enlightenment and advance darkness with equal ease: do whatever the big fish tell him to do.

That Schumer can help select and bless senate candidates is a travesty of the first water.

Good for Chuck to getting that message out there.

Just barely!