It seems that President Bush has, indeed, invoked “executive privilege” (H/T to twolf1 for the link) to attempt to prevent testimony from former aides regarding the potential WH employee misconduct in politicization worries about the Department of Justice.
Reader WB sent me a link this morning to a poignant opinion piece in the Denver Post written by a 25-year veteran of the DOJ. Do go and read the whole thing, but this particular bit really jumped out at me:
In more than a quarter of a century at the DOJ, I have never before seen such consistent and marked disrespect on the part of the highest ranking government policymakers for both law and ethics. It is especially unheard of for U.S. attorneys to be targeted and removed on the basis of pressure and complaints from political figures dissatisfied with their handling of politically sensitive investigations and their unwillingness to “play ball.” Enough information has already been disclosed to support the conclusion that this is exactly what happened here, at least in the case of former U.S. Attorney David C. Iglesias of New Mexico (and quite possibly in several others as well). Law enforcement is not supposed to be a political team sport, and prosecutorial independence and integrity are not “performance problems.”
I have heard the same over and over again from former — and even current — DOJ employees, some of whom have spoken out publicly and some have not as yet done so. The current Bush Administration is a vindictive lot, and it’s easy to see why some folks — balancing speaking up against a mortgage, paying for junior’s braces, saving for the kids’ college fund, etc., etc. — might not have the nerve to say what they know about misconduct and questionable practices.
But the Libby commutation, from everything I am currently hearing from folks, may just be the disrespectful straw that broke the strawman stranglehold on silence from angry, disgusted, and downright appalled folks at the DOJ.
Again, from the editorial:
Tellingly, in his congressional testimony, D. Kyle Sampson (the junior aide to whom the attorney general delegated vast authority) expressed the view that the distinction between “performance” considerations and “political” considerations was “largely artificial.” This attitude, however, is precisely the problem. The administration that Sampson served has elided the distinction between government performance and politics to an unparalleled extent (just as it has blurred the boundaries between the White House counsel’s office and the attorney general’s office). And it is no answer to say that U.S. attorneys are political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the president. The point that is lost on those who make this argument is that U.S. attorneys must not serve partisan purposes or advance a partisan agenda – which has nothing to do with requiring them to promote an administration’s legitimate policy priorities.
As usual, the administration has attempted to minimize the significance of its malfeasance and misfeasance, reciting its now-customary “mistakes were made” mantra, accepting purely abstract responsibility without consequences for its actions, and making hollow vows to do better. However, the DOJ Inspector General’s Patriot Act report (which would not even have existed if the administration had not been forced to grudgingly accept a very modest legislative reporting requirement, instead of being allowed to operate in its preferred secrecy), the White House-DOJ e-mails, and now the Libby commutation merely highlight yet again the lawlessness, incompetence and dishonesty of the present executive branch leadership.
It is time for members of Congress — on both sides of the aisle – to step up to the accountability plate. And the showdown this week with the White House over executive privilege is the first big step in a long-overdue bill of lading for their malfeasance and misadministration of justice. As John Dean wrote regarding the executive privilege issue:
In truth, much more is at stake here for both the Congress and the White House than this bare description of the conflict would indicate. These issues strike at the heart of what post-Watergate conservative Republicans seek to create: an all-powerful presidency. Thus, for the same reason that Vice President Cheney went to extreme lengths to block Congress from getting information about the work of his National Energy Task Force, as I discussed in prior columns such as this one, I expect President Bush to take what will appear to be a similar irrational posture. For both Bush and Cheney, virtually any limit on presidential power is too great.
And this conflict, in the end, is all about presidential power. Moreover, underlying the Administration’s defense of unchecked power, is a term that has not been heard since Justice Alito’s confirmation hearings: “the unitary executive theory.” Once, conservatives rejected a strong presidency. Today, however, the opposite is the case, and the unitary executive theory is central to their argument.
It is worth mentioning that the Gorsuch testimonial issue to which Dean refers occurred when Fielding was White House Counsel during the Reagan years and one of his proteges in crafting the anti-disclosure stance was none other than an ambitious young legal mind by the name of John Roberts. I mention this because should there be a legal clash on the issue of executive privilege, it is certainly a factor that Congressional aides will have to keep in mind.
There is a question, however, that I have not seen addressed well enough by the press or by members of Congress discussing this issue. And I want to begin discussion on this today because it needs to be fleshed out more thoroughly. There is not one umbrella executive privilege, but in fact there are two levels which have traditionally been recognized under the law: deliberative process privilege and Presidential communications privilege. ACSblog had a great post on this when the subpoenas were first issued, and they do a wonderful walk-through of the case law involved.
What the case law boils down to is this: if the executive aide in question was part of a deliberative process inside the White House, but this process did not involve discussions directly with the President, the assertion of executive privilege is far, far weaker for that aide. Which means that a Congressional challenge to that privilege ought to be made, and strongly, because the Congress is on more solid ground in pressing said aide for testimony, especially where there is a question of possible executive malfeasance involved.
Further, KagroX located a quote from Morton Rosenberg of the Congressional Research Service, from testimony given on 2/6/02 before the Government Reform Committee whichis on point:
In the last 80 years Congress has consistently sought and obtained deliberative prosecutorial memoranda, and the testimony of line attorneys, FBI field agents and other subordinate agency employees regarding the conduct of open and closed cases in the course of innumerable investigations of Department of Justice activities. It appears that the fact that an agency, such as the Justice Department, has determined for its own internal purposes that a particular item should not be disclosed, or that the information sought should come from one agency source rather than another, does not prevent either House of Congress, or its committees or subcommittees, from obtaining and publishing information it considers essential for the proper performance of its constitutional functions. We are aware of no court precedent that imposes a threshold burden on committees to demonstrate, for example, a “substantial reason to believe wrongdoing occurred” before they may seek disclosure with respect to the conduct of specific open and closed criminal and civil cases. Indeed, the case law is quite to the contrary. An inquiring committee need only show that the information sought is within the broad subject matter of its authorized jurisdiction, is in aid of a legitimate legislative function, and is pertinent to the area of concern.
Fred Fielding, who is again serving as White House counsel, is more than aware of all of this. What he and the White House are doing is playing a game of chicken with Congress, and they are using Sara Taylor and Harriet Miers, among others, as their own personal shields from accountability. But this only works for so long as Congress allows them to play their silly game. The trump card in all of this is a threat of contempt, not against the subpoenaed witnesses, but against the President himself for falsely claiming a privilege to which he is not entitled in this matter.
This is the card that John Dean recognizes from his Watergate days — and it is one with which Fielding is also intimately acquainted. It is their bluff of assertion of privilege that is the current bet on the table. Congress ought to call the bet — and raise with a threat of contempt if testimony is not immediately forthcoming and if documents are not immediately delivered.
But while we await the next move, it is worth asking a few questions, starting with whether former Fielding research boy, now Chief Justice John Roberts, will recuse himself from any consideration of this matter if and when it reaches that point of constitutional consideration? The separation of powers issues hang in the balance on this one, and the ambitious Mr. Roberts ought not be allowed a second bite at an apple he has already infested.
The White House today opened the door for a challenge from Congress — members of Congress ought to open that door entirely. And put a little spine into it when they do. This from Rep. John Conyers is a good first step in that regard. (H/T to reader snowbird42 for the link.)
(Doorknob photo via fantail media.)
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- If It’s [Was] Friday, It Must Be State Secrets, Hiding Abuse of Power, in the 9th Circuit
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Caw Caw
Did it work?
Took me 6 times to get the password thing .
ha. shoulda known. got stuck in the last thread. now to read this one.
Btw, Christy,
Nice picture of Bush up top ya got there.
*g*
Leahy says he still expects Sara Taylor on Wed.
I’m looking for the link
The minority report from Iran contra hearing was the start. See the NYTimes today for detail on Cheney’s early thoughts on the unitary exec.
“Once, conservatives rejected a strong presidency. Today, however, the opposite is the case, and the unitary executive theory is central to their argument.”
Conservative support or opposition to an all-powerful unitary executive seems to ebb and flow depending on who’s sitting in the White House. I suspect this has more to do with the exercise of power than with any consistent theory about executive. All the fancy words and theories are nothing more than lipstick on a pig.
When you add into the discussions between the WH and Congress the comments by Leahy (IIRC) on the talk shows yesterday about getting Fitz in front of his committee, I think we’re seeing some serious pushback.
About time.
Actually, well overdue, but I’ll take it.
Leahy said that Taylor, Bush’s former political director, may testify as scheduled before the Senate panel on Wednesday. The House Judiciary Committee scheduled Miers’ testimony for Thursday, but it was unclear whether she would appear, according to congressional aides speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations were under way.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..ref=slogin
Are you suggesting Congress hold the President in contempt? And having him arrested?
I said a little while ago that the interesting twist about the Libby commutation is that it will generate more publicity for the Libby case. More people who didn’t know about it before will now know about it. A few acquaintances have now asked me what “this Libby thing” is all about.
I sure hope that more and more DOJ employees speak out as this one has done. Eloquent.
JF at 10 — Yes, I am suggesting that Congress hold him in contempt. Just as they were prepared to do with Nixon — for obstructing the investigation into Watergate by withholding the tapes.
I hope the “Congressional aides” put that fact on a neon Post-it & slap it on their computer screen, for the day when this issue reaches the Supremes and they can demand that Roberts recuse himself.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
I hold Bush in contempt. Congress should do the same.
I recently re-read the constitution, and I didn’t find the words “executive privilege” in there….anywhere.
The constitution allows the government to do only what is specifically authorized. In short, if a power is not given, the feds – and Bush – don’t have the power to do it.
Therefore, he has no power to prevent this testimony.
period.
It’s time for Bush and the rest of this government to follow the constitution. It’s not just a mere suggestion, it’s the law.
Some reading:
“We Must Return to Our Constitution”
http://www.populistamerica.com…..nstitution
I think the door needs to be not just opened, but kicked down. By which I do not in any way mean to suggest violence — merely that if Congress fails to go after this latest “fuck you” from Bush with everything they’ve got, they are a bunch of pathetic p*ssies and I am THROUGH with them.
Sorry to rant — but this administration’s trashing of the rule of law has to stop NOW.
On a more reasoned note — what is the procedure for Congress to make, and enforce, a finding of contempt? Do they need to go through the courts or not?
It’s past time for Congress to invoke “citizens’ privilege” so we citizens understand just what the executive is doing in our name.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
Just as the President holds this Congress, country and Constitution in contempt. I hope it happens.
You go, Christy!
JF @ 19
What would the consequences of that be?
So I still don’t understand how the White House can prevent someone who is no longer an employee from testifying before Congress.
Clearly the Bush government plans to stonewall until 2009. I don’t see any real point in pursuing this through the courts or the DOJ considering how compromised our legal system has become. Congress needs to skip ahead to impeachment, they certainly have more than enough grounds. And that would be a spanner in the works of Cheney and Bush, who figure they can drag this out in court for years until they retire to Argentina.
Forget about the lack of votes in the Senate, if the charges are laid out clearly and fully and we go through a couple of months of hearings it will strengthen the call of the end of the Bush government. By the time the actual vote in the Senate happens the entire political landscape will be different.
Just a question. What statute does executive privelege fall under? Why doesn’t congress repeal it?
Stonewall Bush, General of the elite, idiot
of the roundtable, slayer of the truth, rejecter of the many
Arrest that man!
End the nightmare
beth meacham @ 22
I had the same question. Especially when she says she is willing.
Is this the bright and shiny object?
Won’t this fight rally his base and take the media’s eye off of Iraq?
What happens after Congress cites the President for contempt? I don’t understand the scenario.
Angel. Strangers in the house. Last thread.
Just when I get to Philadelphia the governor closes state offices and lays off 25,000.
Hm.
As Bush plays around with his privleges, the military contractors are taking over the world. This really scares me. All contractors are moving out of the country. I don’t mean to be an alarmist, but….
“But while we await the next move, it is worth asking a few questions, starting with whether former Fielding research boy, now Chief Justice John Roberts, will recuse himself from any consideration of this matter if and when it reaches that point of constitutional consideration?”
Roberts will never recuse himself on this matter.
Bush appointed Roberts to the Supreme Court because he knew that Roberts would protect him in precisely this kind of situation.
But it doesn’t have to come to that.
The truth is that we don’t have to give Fielding an opportunity to stonewall.
We don’t have to give Roberts an opportunity to cover for Bush.
Using the power of impeachment sweeps aside Fielding and Roberts. It eliminates all the delaying tactics and legal obstruction.
Impeachment means the president and his administration are investigated and held accountable by our elected representatives in full public view.
We all must push for impeachment.
OT ~ Kucinich: ‘Imperial’ vice president needs to be impeached.
Ralph at 28 — Then his counsel has to haul his behind to Congress to answer the contempt citation, and either justify the assertion of privilege or produce the witnesses requested. And, if they do not — it fast tracks the judicial oversight because of the potential for a jail penalty being imposed for contempt.
In other words, it speeds the process from the slow crawl we are in presently to a sprint.
And the WH stall is no longer operative…
Dear Redd Rover,
Had to leave the earlier thread. So asking again: If a WH or DOJ or, or, or employee leaves their job (as a matter of conscience, hopefully), are they still subject to First Obstructionist Privilege?
Re push for impeachment: we need EVIDENCE, all that we can get. That is exactly what Fred & his gang of “fuck the law” thugs are keeping us from.
I think it must be very disheartening to come from an ethical origin to be inundated with the bullshit via rulings, etc., from this administration.
Conyers:
There’s nothing valid in any of Darth/Bush’s chest-beating.
Isn’t Walton’s court in session today? What are the plans to cover? Any?
Kind of important no? Am I wrong on the date?
JF @ 26
Thanks for this informative post and links. Very helpful to this layperson.
Anyhow the cynic in me will rear it’s ugly head and remembers a few things about the Judiciary. First I’m thinking Cheney’s Secret Energy Task Force and how one Mr. Scalia, apparently a favored duck hunting buddy of Shooter’s because he didn’t get shot in the face on the trip, managed not to recuse himself. So I’m not hopeful that Chief Justice Roberts will do the right thing. It’s the price Dems will pay for keeping their powder dry. You go to court with the loyal Bushies you have, not with the ones you wish you had.
Having said that, I still urge them to fight this battle tooth and nail and take it to the courts.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
Christy does impeachment remove executive priv.? If impeached can we get ALL of the characters in front of Congress?
oddmommy @ 36
We have more than enough evidence. Visit the next hurrah or daily kos and just read everything that Kagro X has been writing for the past three weeks. He lays out in ample detail the grounds for impeachment.
All that our representatives need now to proceed with impeachment is the wind of public opinion at their backs. And that wind is developing quickly. And we can all help to push them by writing letters to our papers and speaking to our representatives. The time for hand-wringing and waiting for the perfect bit of evidence is over. The time for action is now.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
Given how far they’ve gone already, I kind of doubt Fred will drag George to Congress even if it does issue a contempt citation. He’ll think of some other weasely-ass way to resist that — more exec privilege, perhaps.
Then there is no where to go but DC federal court — unless Congress itself has the power to direct US Marshalls to enforce the citation — which I don’t know.
And if so, wouldn’t THAT be interesting.
puppethead @ 23
Close, but we should go after Gonzo and Cheney first. Force Bush to either throw them under the bus, or defend them. Congress can impeach Gonzo today on the evidence they have and get a “conviction”, without needing any more, so called, privileged information. This might be a tipping point and would definitely give Demos the big mo.
Mr Blifil @ 39
I believe the briefs on the commutation are due to Walton today.
oddmommy @ 36
There’s impeachment on the illegal actions of the Bush government, and then there’s impeachment on the contempt for Congress. The blanket refusal by the Bush government to comply with any and every request for information is evidence enough for impeachment, if Congress has the will to pursue it.
egregious @ 30
Yes, but the state liquor stores are still open. Priorities, y’know.
puppethead @ 23
I agree on all counts. Impeachment proceedings against Cheney and Bush should begin immediately.
*xyz @ 43
IMPEACHMENT? Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
Bustednuckles @ 2
Yes! It did. I asked you to be my friend.
Bustednuckles @ 2
works for me
puppethead @ 47
This is overwhelming. It sort of falls under the category of saving us from ourselves – ourselves being the WH occupants that were supposedly elected to be placed there.
LINK
ccmask @ 31
Jeebus, this scares the sh*t out of me. Cheney’s storm troopers.
I think the congress should write more letters, and just be really, really mean this time!
AZ Matt @ 54
Have you seen emptywheel’s response to Isikoff? It’s, um, forceful.
Here it is: A Handy Guide to all the Democrats plans to end the war–Josh’s place
P J Evans @ 57
I will check it out.
Impeach Now.
it’s the right thing to do
Yikes, Yes it worked!
I have been busy adding friends.
Now to get a picture of my ugly mug…..
old gold @ 27
perhaps not likely, if they see today’s headlines from Iraq. omg what a mess…
oddmommy @ 36
IANAL, but I think we need only a majority in the House to impeach (accuse). The evidence will come out in the hearings, whether or not enough there are ultimately enough votes to convict in the Senate (two thirds?).
PJ Evans,
Yup, Marcy was very “forceful”.
For all the latest news, key reports, document releases and other essential materials surrounding the U.S. attorneys scandal, see:
“The U.S. Attorneys Scandal Document Center.”
Christy!
Both Taylor and Meirs should be held in contempt if they don’t testify as well but your right. The key is to hold Bush in comtempt as well. The courts and the DOJ should be avoided at all costs. Congress must enforce it’s own contempt citations. Congress can not rely on another branch to enforce it’s authority. This is what separation of powers is about. The chances of Roberts recusing himself is about the same as my chances of taking flight.
It is time to plan the roadmap to impeachment.
Bustednuckles @ 61
Can’t be any worse than mine, Bra!
Lou Costello @ 33
Not at all OT Lou.
Thom Hartmann on Common Dreams has a good article on the Libby commutation.
The Libby Commutation: Coincidence, or Conspiracy?
Great meme, Sally! And rallying cry! Citizens’ Privilege
Sally @ 18
“I don’t have a problem with dictatorship as long as I get to be dictator…” Bush circa spring 2001.
Dictatorship or democracy… make your choice, Congress…. BushCo’s already made theirs.
Will that be his [only] “mission accomplished”?
Impeach. Convict. Incarcerate.
Josh Marshall said that Sara Taylor should be thrown in jail if she refuses to appear on Wednesday.
Jane and Christy, what do you think? Is it time to start chucking people in the pokey to loosen their tongues?
Adie @ 62
A real key here is that the Libby commutation needs to be part of the story because that plot is all about the war and brings the duplicity (and incompetence) of this administration to the forefront.
Kagro X has a brilliant and dead-on new post regarding privilege:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
“They’re interested in running out the clock, which means they may well litigate the claims of privilege and lose, and then turn around and refuse to comply with the subpoenas anyway, purely on “screw you, come and take it from us” grounds.
Unless Congress is willing to avail itself of either of the two more direct remedies available to it — i.e., inherent contempt or impeachment — expect a long slog back and forth through the courts, just to get to the point where we’re able to directly challenge the assertion of the president that he gets to say what goes. Along this route, it could be months and months before we’re even able to define what it is the “administration” actually thinks underlies its “right” to erase a Congressional power heretofore understood to be plenary.”
spurious @ 55
That has been going on for years spurious. Nothing new there. The Suadis own us lock, stock and barrel.
Prairie Sunshine @ 70
Linky?
merciless @ 72
She would receive the standard commutation
merciless @ 71
That would sure be nice, I don’t think it will happen though. That would mean the DLC Dems would need to grow a spine. It’s a little late for that.
Millineryman @ 70
and full restitution to the Treasury of all looted monies
merciless @ 72
Manson’s girls weren’t shown any favoritism…speakin’ of charismatic charlatans….
noen @ 75
I know, but if push comes to shove with Cheney, is their loyalty (if any) to him, to the extent that they would defend him? (ok, /tinfoil hat)
spurious @ 76
http://www.counterpunch.org/waters02112003.html
nomolos @ 76
Sounds like they have them already printed out and perfed, so they can just fill in the name and pull it out of the memo pad. Now that’s thinking ahead.
spurious @ 75
YouTube video
Junya’s legacy, a life entirely dedicated to the relentless pursuit of failure! And he’s the best at it that we’ve ever seen!
Or as Macbeth would be telling it: “…a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
nomolos @ 82
:~)
Isn’t “25-year veteran of the DOJ” a little bit confusing? My understanding from his op-ed is that he’s currently employed at DOJ, but “veteran” is often used to mean “no longer in active service.”
This is OT but I just read another great post by Greenwald regrading the ongoing journalistic failure at the NYT (ie Michael Gordon) to provide balanced reporting on Iraq:
I was actually quite surprised that the NYT public editor came so clean on the issue of referring to all insurgents in Iraq as Al Quaeda. The ongoing travesty that is Gordon’s reporting, however, has not been fully addressed. Let’s hope that Glenn gets that ball rolling.
Frank Richness from yesterday’s NYT via truthout has the lowdown on Bush: Profile in Cowardice.
Must reading… Congress must press forward because it is the right thing to do, but also to prevent the Prevaricator in Chief from doing any more wrong.
varney @ 87
It is also used for and by those still on an active service. Think “veteran of both Iraqi wars now stationed at the Pentagon” type phrasing.
just joined the wordpress thingie….do I get a little F??
spurious @ 80
I don’t know that this is tinfoil hat territory. I’d say that it isn’t so much a grand conspiracy as mutual interest. Bush and Cheney are oil men and their interests coincide with those of the Sauds. There was probably some collusion, I’m not sure that is the same as a conspiracy. It kind of doesn’t matter though. The result is that we are mired in Iraq, western oil gets a seat at OPEC, the military contractors get their cut and we the people get screwed.
From a Bush/Cheney point of view “What’s not to like about that?”
How do you get the little blue ‘f’ to appear on comments?
oddmommy @ 90
you get an f and an A! linky works
Balrog @ 92
Thank you Balrog I have tried and want a little “f’ too!
The Dems need to have a little spine and show emotion. There is a good L.A. Times article (front page) that directly warns Democrats of forgetting the emotive side of an argument. By avoiding the emotional approach, the Democrats leave the emotional playing filed wide open to Republicans. Unfortunately, most political decisions tend to be made on emotional considerations — or so says the article.
Hence the power of FDL — it allows both reason and emotion a place to balance. If the politicals wanted to know what “we the voters” really think, they would come here. I know FDL was an oasis in an information/news desert.
snowbird42 @ 95
start here – from last thread
Kobe Matisse Rose View this users Facebook profile says:
July 9th, 2007 at 7:36 am
(*sigh*)
I am one good lookin’ guy.
If you have a facebook page and you’d like to do voluntary FDL registration and let us know how it works as a test, you can do it here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-…..n=register
After a password is mailed to you, there is a line where you can add your facebook page.
This is still in beta stage so if it’s a bit dicey let us know.
(This is really Jane, who does Kobe’s typing for him, he’s busy taking a beauty nap at the moment)
Bravo to Mr. Koppel (and the Denver Post for printing his superb opinion piece) – spot on, patriotic dissent. He even rounds it off with a clear, clarion call to confront the myriad “high crimes and misdemeanors” of this administration.
It’s called moral outrage, John Conyers. You should try it some time.
varney at 88 — Only if you are talking in a military context. In legal parlance, a veteran prosecutor, say, is someone who has a lot of experience under his or her belt.
OT but WaPo has an subtle hit piece on Pelosi Here
Terrific post, Christy.
Love the graphic.
Old, ornate, out-of-date, decrepit & filthy, out of alignment, screws loose, about to fall off & yet it’s obvious no-one’s made the slightest effort to fix the thing.
oddmommy @ 91
Yeppers!
John Dean has said on several occasions that the Bush Crime Family must really be hiding bad stuff if they have to hide everything behind the wall.
It would seem to me that the only way we are going to be able to pry the ammo out of their cold clammy and not so dead hands is via impeachment. Time to take the gloves off.
snowbird42 @ 95
then when you get your password, log in to wordpress, you get your profile page, scroll down, there’s a place to enter your personal fb url
and you find that at the bottom of your facebook page, teeny link “public listing” cut & paste that into your wordpress profile page slot.
and if that makes any sense, it might work.
Elliott @ 94
whoopeee!! and I did it without consulting my kids!
George Bush is wreckless. He is over the top. This individual is the perfect example of how not to raise a child. Our president is a very naught, dangerous and mean boy.
Elliott @ 97
The link didn’t quite copy over right; it’s:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-…..n=register
OT. From our compassionate pro-life politicians:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..child.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 106
We must CORRECT him.
So answer this one. If Sarah Taylor no longer works for the administration, how can W. order her not to testify?
dead last @ 95
This will take time though. What we need to do is to build a party that represents our interests instead of corporate interests. We don’t have that right now. What we have are corporate Dems and corporate Repubs. They might fight over a bit of turf but they will never work for our needs.
To build a true Democratic party we need three legs. One in the grassroots (the netroots). One in the media and the last in congress.
The right has spent the last 20 years building a party that reflects them. They have their grassroots (talk radio). They practically own all media and the last leg is in government. That’s what we need to do but it will take time.
Redshift @ 107
The link didn’t quite copy over right; it’s:
http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-…..n=register
sorry, thank you!
It might be easier to impeach Cheney rather than his nominal boss.
oddmommy @ 109
There are times when corporal punishment seems to be called for. This appears to be a person for whom the adage “spare the rod and spoil the child” is appropriate. Maybe if the Bargoyle had walloped him on the a** a few times, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Or not.
dakine01 @ 102
okayyy, for the challenged one in our household, please explain why join? where to look for instructions how?
apologies. i been out doin’ too much gardening in the sun instead of tendin to the toobz.
appreciative of any help ;->
RevDeb @ 110
Royal decree
Re: Evidence
During Watergate, those of us on the left thought the evidence was compelling, and the Congress insisted on waiting for the “smoking gun.”
A one showed up.
oddmommy @ 109
i confoozed. he’s “wrecked” everything he ever touched.
how ’bout “reckless”?
RevDeb @ 110
Tis simple really; one can never, ever resign from the Flying Monkey Corps.
Once baptized, you is a Flying Monkey forever!
noen @ 111
Sounds like Dau’s triangle. Of course, I can’t find the link on Salon where he published it a couple of years ago.
I’m afraid that if I get the Facebook thing down, I’ll become too technologically advanced for my own good.
Wordsmith @ 121
me too.
but i can’t seem to get a tip on exactly how to get in trubble, so maybe i’m safe from myself for the moment.
do YOU know how to do the Fb thingie???
Christy:
On many things, you and I disagree completely. When it comes to the law and scholorship, I stand in awe of you.
This is a wonderful post. If I get through this particular period with any faith in government whatsoever, it will be because of your writings.
RES
Adie @ 115
Adie,
Assuming you have aleady joined Facebook, check Redshift’s comment #107. By being a member of facebook, and logging into FDL/WordPress, ya get the little “f” thingie (Facebook icon) next to your name. Folks can click on it and be taken to a screen that allows them to request to be your Facebook friend or if they are already your Facebook friend, will take them to your Facebook profile so that we may see your smiling face and learn whatever about you that you wish to tell us.
Last thread has a lot of the basic info from Christy as she just broke down and figgered things out. You can surprised by old HS classmates who track you down and everything.
I guess Facebook must be like the “in” gaggle in middle school… *sigh*
Adie @ 122
The icon thingie to show up Fb thingie? That Fb thingie?
See, what I mean – if I can figure this shit out, I’ll be a computer programmer in my book.
RevDeb @ 110
It’s. A. Bluff.
Texas Hold ‘em…in contempt…for they are outlaws.
Kevster @ 88
I agree about Gordon. He is an active propagandist for the Administration and the Cheney War Party and should be described as such in anything he writes.
As for the Public Editor Hoyt, IIRC there was a Frontline special in part about him when he was an editor at McClatchy. It was his reporters who debunked the WMD stories on Iraq before the war. They were of course not heeded.
I’m actually hesitant about the grandstanding of Chuck Schumer with regard to calling Special Counsel Fitzgerald to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Fitzgerald didn’t commute Libby’s sentence. Why drag him into this without a purpose in mind? Obviously executive privilege is going to be asserted to protect the interviews Bush and Cheney gave Fitzgerald. So there’ll be a show-down about that with Fitzgerald awkwardly caught in the middle. But what’s the legislative point of getting those interviews? There need to be good grounds for the Senate to see them, in order to win in court against objections from the Executive Branch.
The real pot of gold at the end of the rainbow here is the Fitzgerald grand jury material Congress will have every right to, the moment it decides to get serious and investigate Bush and Cheney for “high crimes and misdemeanors” with regard to the Plame leak case, and the oaths of office and public trust and good faith use of power they ought to be upholding and enforcing as high officeholders in our government. If Schumer can’t be bothered to recommend that route to John Conyers, and thereby help jump-start impeachment hearings with a years-long meticulous grand jury investigation that’s ready and waiting to be read, I think he’s just grandstanding at Fitzgerald’s expense, by trying to borrow a little of his integrity and work ethic to cover the paucity of same in the Senate.
Adie
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albert fall @ 117
Even without the final “smoking gun” tape release that proved Nixon had been involved in the cover-up from the beginning, three articles of impeachment had been voted on by the HJC with 6 Rs joining the 21 Ds on two articles.
So even without the smoking gun in hand, there was far more than enough evidence to convince even some 1/3 of the Rs of his crookedness and unfitness for the office.
Do the Clusterfuckers actually plan to leave the White House with a strengthened presidency? If so, they need court rulings I suppose- not just bare ASSERTIONS of power. On the other hand, they may just be trying to avoid some uncomfortable information- in which case they aren’t acting on any principles- they don’t intend to leave the Presidency any stronger than when they found it- they just want to save their sorry asses.
I don’t know which it is.
RevDeb @ 119
Yes, that is what I was thinking of.
THE TRIANGLE: Limits of Blog Power
September 19, 2005
dead last @ 96
I think this is largely responsible for the success of idiots like Rush. All his claptrap–ridicule, mockery, feigned anger–targets the emotions, not the mind. We have to appeal to both.
OT–
I’ve made so many FDL friends today ‘coz of Facebook.
Thanks, Jane, for setting up the FDL Group on Facebook.
Adie @ 118
I’m lazy. I almost never proof anything. ;0)
The NYT also has a David Sanger story on a bait and switch tactic being debated in the White House.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..xy.html?hp
It would call for a gradual drawdown in troops. I believe the first 3606 have already left.
dakine01 @ 124
eek! y’all don’t wanna see my ugly mug.
and actually, no, i haven’t even had the courage & smarts to join yet.
Thanks for the directions though, dakine01 ;->.
I’ll think on it. I hope I don’t have to join to keep from being labelled untouchable cootie-ridden icky gal who sits alone in the corner.
I love this place & you folks.
{{{{{FDL}}}}}
RevDeb @ 103
Amen.
Biodun @ 135
It can also allow you to get to know firepups who are local to your area. We had a small picnic of a half a dozen of us in south central Texas yesterday. TexB has some pictures up on her facebook page and there are probably another half dozen folks local to the area that weren’t able to join us yesterday. It was fun to get together and put faces to names on a page. Especially when living in deep red areas.
Yeah Bush will bring home the troops and leave the contractors. What about that huge set of buildings WE built over there?
The Clusterfuckers know that they HAVE to reduce the number of troops in Iraq come March- why? Cause in March they run out of troops. In typical fashion- they’re tryin to get credit for this “withdrawal” so that congress doesn’t ask for any more after the one they have ta do anyway..Total bullshit- and the press eats it up as usual..
rwcole @ 131
As soon as the door hits Bush on the way out and a Democrat is President, Republicans will suddenly decide that it is time to curb the powers of the President.
We have seen this before in the budget process. Republicans who were the greedist pigs at the trough when they ran the Congress now accuse the Democrats of excessive spending.
It’s all just standard IOKIYAR.
You know – this post by Christy reminds me of working at the VA. It was a work-study job in the Abjudication Dept while going to school (on the GI Bill as a MOF). Agent Orange was the new devil on claims and many of those abjudicating claims were really bothered by denying claims and were dismayed and disgusted that the VA, the govt, would NOT cover the claims when it was the govt who had sanctioned dousing Agent Orange.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 136
Do you work for MSM? :)
Hugh @ 137
Smack.
You have a way with words.
Adie @ 138
You haven’t seen my face as yet. But you don’t have to put up a picture of yourself. Some folks have drawings or pictures of their animal companions. I’ve seen characters from South Park and many different variations.
nomolos @ 145
;0)
spurious @ 134
That’s one of the poionts in Gore’s new book: TV targets the emotions, and it harms the rational thought processes that are really needed in things like elections.
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Could one of you bright FB people take a screenshot of a page and post it on flickr or other accessible location, so the rest of us have some idea of what it looks like?
From my hometown: Navy SEAL from Lake Placid killed in Iraq
Petty Officer 1st Class Robert McRill, 42, died when an improvised bomb detonated under the Humvee in which he was riding, officials said.
Father of 3
dakine01 @ 147
Adie, how about a bluebird for you?
Prairie Sunshine @ 127
And then let’s Fold ‘em. Impeach.
aaarrrrgh! I can just hear Christy thru the toobz, “NO. Didn’t I just explain what has to be done?” Appreciate it, Christy, honestly. But ianal.
I. Just. Want. Them. Gone!
and my head & my heart are warring over how they’d like to see that accomplished. I promise, I’ll keep reading & doing my best to help steer the powers-that-be in what you guys deem is most likely to be the most effective way.
That is one tough, tough gang a crooks.
Whatever we can do. Just let us know.
And…. have I said “THANKS!” lately? ;->
Wordsmith @ 145
I got out of the AF in ‘82 and applied for a disability due to a screw-up in my gallbladder surgery just before I got out. I wound up with a 10% rating which I kept for four years. One of the reasons I gave it up was because of how the ratings had been done for the agent orange vets.
dakine01 @ 124
I never registered this name with WordPress, and now it won’t let me. :-(
Wordsmith @ 144
I believe that Agent Orange is (or simular to) Atrazine aka Round Up.
Is this starting to smell like Watergate ?
These people are not idiots.. evil and corrupt, yes…
The whole motivation behind the firings was to make room for their young and zealous minions in order to PAD their resumes..knocking off a few “liberal” USA’s was just a bonus.. What they are really doing
is trying to replace all federal judges with right-wingers.. This way their corrupt corporate agenda gets to live on vis-a-vis limetime bench appointments..
pow wow @ 129
I’ve got mixed emotions about your analysis.
What you say rings true but you are assuming
that Bush may be ultimately impeached. Based
on the configuration of the House/Senate, I would say “no”, unless we find the smoking gun.
If Fitzy knows that these bastards are lying…
I’d like to see him resign and spill his guts.
I’ve had enough of these cat and mouse games
and I am IMPATIENT…
You are probably right, but unless something
breaks soon… can we wait until the end of the rainbow?
looseheadprop upstairs on Impeachment Inquiry.
OT ~ Reservist fighting his fifth war call-up.
Three weeks until summer recess- then it’s september and there will be a long congressional argument about Iraq. Congress will break again in december. That leaves three months this year to do anything about Iraq. Dems can pretty much go for the gusto and let the goopers fight the tide..Goopers, on the other hand, will have to craft a middle position for their threatened members to vote for….it will be three dimensional chess at it’s finest.
noen @ 155
Not the same
links in a minute
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 154
It is a beta right now. I had never registered with wordpress other than the name for commenting and it let me in OK. I think bustedknuckles also had some troubles getting it to take initially.
Elliot 151
Now that’s just plain sweet. *g*
Maybe a milkweed tiger moth caterpillar?
I will get to it. I’ll bookmark this thread for tips. Thanks. Meanwhile, it’s back to the drought & my bountiful crop of bok choy(of all things in a year like this – go figure!?!)
You take care. and thanks ;->
mauimom @ 14
I always felt that Roberts was chin-deep in the crap that occurred during Reagan’s presidency, especially the MOU betw DoJ and CIA that permitted CIA to look the other way wrt drug smuggling. Casey did a complete overhaul of job descriptions making hundreds of people assets instead of officers, thereby nullifying reporting requirements.
That’s one of the reasons there was such a stubborn refusal to turn over Roberts’ papers from his time in the executive branch back then. There might also be some opinions by him wrt War Powers reporting as it relates to the invasion of Grenada.
Someone mentioned this the other day, I think Steve, but it bears repeating: We need to think about impeachment of judges in order to clean out the hen house from the vermin that has so thoroughly infested it.
Catch you in the next thread, Bay State @ 157 – let’s read lhp’s analysis.
Elliott @ 161
Agent Orange wiki
Roundup wili
OT ~ White House refuses to explain privilege claim.
I’m lurking, while gardening and other stuff, but I just wanted to say regarding everyone joining Facebook:
(does anyone remember Frank Zappa)
Gimme an F!
That’s adjudication, BTW.
testing again.
spurious @ 55
As I’ve noted before, they are doing all of this out in the open under everyone’s noses just like the Nazis did.
Thanks to ed@6 for the link on unitary executive. AS I read though it, I kept asking, “but why does Cheney think this” I don’t see an answer in that minority report; he merely (as Bush has done for years)-asserts it. I think Rented mule @7 is correct. What is being asserted is the right to do as one pleases (not unlike a child, or an uncivilized..well,criminal. If an executive can assert the right to have unrestraigned power over foriegn affairs, why not domestic affairs as well; indeed, why have a legislature at all, or a constitution. Unless of course civilized people have long ago concluded that this arrangement is not good for the people as a whole, no matter how well it serves the interests of those who hold the sticks of power.
varney @ 87
Not really…I was considered a veteran of the Battle for Hue City once that operation was finished even though I continued fighting in other operations.
The poor people currently on their second, third, whatever tours in Iraq are veterans of the previous tours.
This guy is a veteran of the GOP wars on the American way for the past 25 years even though he continues to battle on.
Pedantic = good, from my point of view. It means that (with luck) we are learning.
In other words, thank you.
james @ 171
When the Nazi’s came to power in 1933 one of their early goals in undermining the legitimacy of their democratic republic (Weimar) was to blur the line between the State and the Party. Eventually all governmental policies and directives were those of the Party. The Republicans are trying the same technique with the politicalization of the DOJ. The DOJ therefore becomes an instrument of the Republican Party. If this were happening to a democratic government anywher else in the world the MSM would be screaming that the ruling party was attempting to undermine democracy to become a dictatorship. Sadly, the MSM are enablers to our own brand of dictatorship.
demi @ 168
I believe Gimme an F…was the chant from Country Joe and the Fish
Judging from the responses to a mention of Broadway the Hard Way, there are a lot of folks here who remember Frank
Oh, and Brown Shoes still don’t make it!!!
Bluetoe @ 175
I’m eagerly awaiting Richard Evans’ third book on the Third Reich to be published.
In the meantime I’m keeping busy reading memoirs of old Bolsheviks and biographies of Stalin and Trotsky by Dmitri Volkogonov.
One thing is certain, the capitalist class learned well from the revolutions of the early twentieth century. Neutralize workers organizations, control the press, coopt opposition leaders or kill them if necessary, and constantly instill fear in the people by whatever means necesary even if that means committing criminal acts against your own people and blaming them on others.
Just look at the plans for Operation Northwoods in the early 60s…commit terrorist acts in the US and blame them on Cuba.
Call the bluff. Show strength. Watch your Congressional approval numbers rise.
Thanks for your post CHS.
Give up. There is no one in this entire country that can challenge the Bush/Cheney crime family. So just lay back, relax and try to enjoy the assault. Who knows, they may even leave office on their own. Nah!
Really liked this bang-on brilliant bit (quoted in the post):