Deborah Howell, Washington Post Ombudsman, returned from her vacation to discover The Post’s readers had the temerity to write to her while she was on vacation! Even after the paper posted an online notice, set up an email bounceback for online correspondents, and printed a formal announcement in the dead-tree edition:
The Ombudsman is away. Her column will resume upon her return.
Pesky readers, do you need a ‘GONE FISHING’ sign atop Deb’s desk? — oh, wait, there probably was just such a sign atop her vintage Remington. And what did readers write to Mrs Howell about, while she was away?
Coming back from vacation to a pile of mail reminds me of readers’ abiding interest in terrorism and the war in Iraq.
Quite put out, while reaching for her smelling salts, Deborah characterized those offending letters:
“Readers complained….”
“Some readers were disturbed….”
Complain-y and disturbed. That’s us! Thankfully, though, Mrs. Howell has reasonable responses to these disturbed readers’ complaints.
“Jill Dutt, assistant managing editor for weekends, made that call. Her reasoning was….”
“Dutt’s reasoning makes sense, but the readers were right.”
Reasonable editor Fred Hiatt gets a mention, as well, for publishing an opinion piece from a senior political adviser to the dismissed prime minister of the Palestinian Authority. I wonder, though, whether this is an actual response from Fred Hiatt or simply the Fred Hiatt Boilerplate Response Deb keeps handy:
“We frequently run op-eds from people with whom we disagree, sometimes vehemently. Sometimes we even run op-eds that express views we find repugnant. I think it can be useful for readers to get a sense of how people in the news think — or how people in the news want to be perceived. I think our readers are smart enough to evaluate a Hamas piece in that light.”
In her research for today’s column on three different “issues,” Mrs Howell had conversations with four Washington Post editors and three outsiders: one editor at the New York Times, one bureau chief at AP, and one press secretary in Senator Richard Lugar’s office. At no time does she do any independent reporting or sourcing, except to grill Lugar’s press secretary to find out the time an email was sent. Whew!
Please contrast her contacts with those made by Clark Hoyt, Public Editor at the New York Times, in his column today:
Anthony H. Cordesman of the bipartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Shibley Telhami, the Anwar Sadat Professor of Peace and Development at the University of Maryland
Dean Baquet, NYT Washington bureau chief
Susan Chira, NYT foreign editor
Mr Hoyt’s entire column is worth reading. You may wistfully wonder, as I did, why the New York Times deserves such accomplished writing and research in the Public Editing Department when the WaPo Ombuds Wing is so, well, dreary and unaccomplished.
What struck me, in addition to the first-hand sourcing about his single topic that Mr Hoyt undertakes so well, is that he reports. Not simply The New York Times’ coverage of the issue, and how complain-y and disturbed readers view the Times’ coverage, but the issue itself:
AS domestic support for the war in Iraq continues to melt away, President Bush and the United States military in Baghdad are increasingly pointing to a single villain on the battlefield: Al Qaeda.
Bush mentioned the terrorist group 27 times in a recent speech on Iraq at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. In West Virginia on the Fourth of July, he declared, “We must defeat Al Qaeda in Iraq.” The Associated Press reported last month that although some 30 groups have claimed credit for attacks on United States and Iraqi government targets, press releases from the American military focus overwhelmingly on Al Qaeda.
Why Bush and the military are emphasizing Al Qaeda to the virtual exclusion of other sources of violence in Iraq is an important story. So is the question of how well their version of events squares with the facts of a murky and rapidly changing situation on the ground
While not crediting those in the blogosphere who’ve made exactly this point about NYT reporting, Clark Hoyt does cut directly to the chase:
And in using the language of the administration, the newspaper has also failed at times to distinguish between Al Qaeda, the group that attacked the United States on Sept. 11, and Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, an Iraqi group that didn’t even exist until after the American invasion.
Not content simply to call editors to comment about their work, Mr Hoyt undertakes research about the paper’s coverage of the issue at hand:
I went back and read war coverage for much of the month of June and found many stories that conveyed the complexity and chaos of today’s Iraq. Times reporters wrote that Iraq’s political leaders were failing to meet benchmarks that would show satisfactory progress to the American government, that a formerly peaceful Shiite city in southern Iraq was convulsed by violence as rival groups fought for control, and that Sunnis feared their own country’s army because it is dominated by Shiites.
But those references to Al Qaeda began creeping in with greater frequency.
But what’s the risk, the reader might wonder? Surely this shorthand can’t do any harm? Why wouldn’t the paper of record characterize the enemy in Iraq exactly the way the Bush regime characterizes it? Clark Hoyt tells us why:
For the president, an emphasis on Al Qaeda has political advantages at a time when powerful former allies, like Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, are starting to back away from his war policy.
The paper of record, in other words, needs to take care not to adopt Administration talking points or war-sloganeering, especially at a time of great debate within the President’s own party about his failing policy. Wow.
And finally, real Public Editing has positive results for the entire enterprise, and thus its readers:
On Thursday, [Susan Chira, the foreign editor] and her deputy, Ethan Bronner, circulated a memo with guidelines on how to distinguish Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia from bin Laden’s Al Qaeda.
It’s a good move. I’d have been happier still if The Times had helped its readers by doing a deeper job of reporting on the administration’s drive to make Al Qaeda the singular enemy in Iraq.
Military experts will tell you that failing to understand your enemy is a prescription for broader failure.
Contrast that, if you can stand it, with Mrs. Howell’s “opinion” about the controversy she “covered:”
My view is that we need to know what a group labeled as terrorist is thinking.
(Special P.S. for Deb):
Mrs. Howell!! There are powerful forces afoot in the world capital where your paper is published every day. These forces seek to take our nation to war — again! — against another sovereign country that is no imminent threat to our lives, our fortunes, or our sacred honor. The Federal Government’s hometown paper, having cheerled these forces into our current quagmire, must not mimeograph The Regime’s illogic to the nation again without challenge.
You, madame, are at a critical point in your Ombudshood. Wake up! You must — starting today! — challenge The Washington Post at every level to do better than it has done in the past. You must stop seeing readers as complaining and disturbed. You must recognize that The Regime your newspaper has enabled is utterly corrupt and has bankrupted our national reputation. And you must acknowledge your newspaper’s role in that. You must begin editing your newspaper for the public who reads it. You must watch Keith Olbermann — every evening! You must read Glenn Greenwald — every day! You must read Marcy Wheeler’s Anatomy of Deceit — immediately!
Or you must get out of the way. The Regime’s hometown paper must not continue its sycophancy and stenography unchallenged while you make a half-dozen phone calls and type a weekly column.
Please choose wisely — many, many lives as well as the future of the American republic may weigh in the balance. Thank you.
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Teddy!
Hi Teddy!!!
Teddy!!!
YES TEDDY!
Hey, Teddy!
Li’l Debbie ought to start acting like this is more than just a li’l job…
Hey, double-ell!
Hi, SK!
Hello, CT!
Hiya LD!
… and Redshift, you’re up late!
LoudounLib @ 6
I’d rather she just shut her festering cakehole.
heh EDP, that’ll work ;-)
Good evening Teddy. Great post.
Just brought up some dessert left over from the actual, live and in-person, Texas Firepup Picnic. In addition to pasta salad, couscous, chicken wings and drinks, we had apple pie and chocolate cake.
If there was ever a person who came back from vacation needing a vacation, it’s Mrs Howell.
I missed the picnic because we left Corpus too late, but I had a great vacation for 4 days.
TexB @ 11
Details, please, on the ‘pupTex picnic! Who was there, has it stopped raining, etc.
Didn’t the Wa Po used to be a good paper?
I think Donald Graham has trashed the WaPo for the same twisted psychological reasons that Bush trashed the Office of President.
It is too bad Mrs. Howell ever got off Gilligan’s Island.
You were too kind, Teddy.
Howell needs to quit. She simply sucks at her job. She is a lousy reader advocate, and does little to help improve the NYT brand.
I don’t even think that shutting her cakehole will do (although kudos for the suggestion, EDP). She needs to retire to a career away from the media.
TexB @ 14
It still is, if you own a canary.
TeddySanFran @ 13
Oh great. Now we have to look at pictures of ourselves spread all over the
tubestoobz.AZ Matt @ 16
LOL!
TeddySanFran @ 14
Pix are here. YES, it stopped raining. Light rain early this morning and then after we got home.
TexB @ 10
there goes my virtual diet, better walk the dog
Hi Teddy,
Great post, I wonder if she’ll get a chance to read it!
Gnome de Plume @ 20
I did ask! And you said yes.
Great job, Teddy. Is the WP part of a larger organization that has control?
Screw the surge! 522 individuals have been killed within the Surge parameters, the most KIA’s experienced within such a short timespan, only topped by the initial invasion’s tally! May and June were the bloodiest to date, with July looming on the same horizon!!! Stop the Madness!!!
CTuttle @ 26
Define an “individual” please?
Well, Mr. Gnome, as Betsy call him, is insisting I help walk the dogs tonight, so I will be gone for awhile. You look at the pictures without me. (I did notice you neglected to take pictures of my dogs . . .)
Steve @ 16
Daddy issues? Donnie is the son of a suicide, whose mommie left him alone while she ran Phil’s paper and partied with Truman Capote and his smart set.
You may have a theory there….
Gnome de Plume @ 28
Uh oh. I am sorry.
But I did use them as a lure to get Jane and Kobe to come to the next event.
EvilDrPuma @ 18
Or ya gotta fish to wrap.
Exactly right, Teddy.
It’s time for everyone in DC and the media to make a choice.
Lead, follow, or get the f*** out of the way. The people are coming, and we’re pissed.
TheOtherWA @ 32
It’s time for everyone in DC and the media to make a choice.
Lead, follow, or get the f*** out of the way. The people are coming, and we’re pissed.
Yep!
Gnome de Plume @ 19
Dude, inquiring ‘Pups want to know!!! *g*
They’re great pictures Gnome de Plume! It’s a beautiful world in your parts.
They even had a liberal duck attending the picnic!
TexB @ 26
Service Members, Ma’am!!!
CTuttle @ 34
http://picasaweb.google.com/TexBetsy/FirepupPicnic
TeddySanFran @ 28
Catherine loved her newspaper and her rose gardens. After mom died, Donald had the rose gardens dug up and destroyed.
OT..and re-post..a short but excellent read
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/8/185843/7816
awww Teddy, Debbie must be sooo happy you are right there welcoming her back!
good job!
LoudounLib @ 36
He said he was liberal, but he hadn’t heard of FDL. Thought we meant Fire Duck Lake. Poor thing was a tad confused.
CTuttle @ 37
Many Iraqi individuals died as well. And many contractors.
Hi, Teddy,
I’m not really up late for me; I typically get to bed around 2 Eastern at the earliest.
I haven’t been around much lately because I came back from my family reunion in Vermont last weekend (which was very nice) and, aside from celebrating the 4th, I’ve been getting the house ready for our guests from Belarus.
We’re hosting two ten-year-old girls for three weeks as part of the Children of Cherynobyl program. They get donated dental care and a chance to play in uncontaminated outdoors. Ours just moved in today after three weeks with another family, and they’re great. We seem to be doing okay, despite the fact that we speak very little Russian and they speak very little English.
Excellent post Teddy!!!!
But.
Debbie is doing exactly what her masters want her to do. Boeing, Northrup Grummon, Ratheon, Halliburton, Blackwater, etc. The corpos that buy big spreads in the WaPo advertising nothing that the readers could or would be able to buy. They’ve bought and paid for Debbie’s dereliction.
Loo Hoo. @ 24
WPNI (Washington Post/Newsweek Interactive) is the online part that includes WashingtonPost.com. Newsweek magazine is part of the empire. There’s an “alliance” with Microsoft, including a “news alliance” with MSNBC. That’s why so many WaPo’ers and Newsweekers (Milbank, Wolffe, etc) appear on Countdown and Tweety. The Microsoft connection stems from Katharine Graham’s friendship with Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, with whom she was playing bridge when she had her fatal stroke.
There’s also an online interactive “learning” company (Kauffman?) which has profited mightily from NCLB.
TexB @ 41
707!!
LoudounLib @ 35
as opposed to a lame one who has an “official” address in Texas.
TSF! TSF! TSF! [wiping a small tear from his eye] My little Teddy is all growed up now! He’s in these here toobz, bloggin’, postin’ YouTubes, chattin’ in chat rooms at the ComPost website…I’m so proud of how far you’ve come in less than a year around here. When we met in comments you didn’t even dare toy with an mp3. Keep it up man, you’ll be a full blown geek soon!
How cool Redshift! Good for you and good for the girls.
RevDeb @ 46
;-)
OT, but this is really making me nuts.
Can someone please explain WTH Cindy Sheehan hopes to accomplish?
RevDeb @ 46
Mallard Fillmore lives in Texas?
RevDeb @ 46
He may be lame but he is still The Greatest Conservative President in America’s History!
And don’t you foget that….or let the wingers forget either. HIs legacy will live on for decades….decades.
Siun @ 39
Thanks!
And thanks to everyone for your compliments! Like TRex, I wait agonized for your approval…
For those who asked whether Deb’ll see the post, you do know how to Spotlight, don’t you? *g*
burnspbesq @ 50
sad to say but I think Cindy has jumped the shark.
TexB @ 40
Well, he may be active on the secret duck Internet instead. Then again, any one of us could secretly be a duck, ya know. On the Internet, no one knows you’re a duck.
TexB @ 41
Tragically So! However, I was only citing the military’s KIA’s!!! The civilian and contractor death tolls aren’t reported by our Maladministration!!!
Laura Doty @ 30
I use it to dump my trimmed beard hairs. Otherwise, they get caught in the trimmer and clog it up. Oh, and sometimes there’s an interesting story on the Redskins.
RevDeb @ 54
I missed it…what now?
TexB @ 40
Great photos! What a pretty part of the country you live in. And such attractive people you chose to hang out with today!
RevDeb and Teddy, thanks for your answer to my question. Both excellent. Hope you’re feeling better RevDeb.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 57
She’s thinking about mounting a primary challenge against Pelosi
TeddySanFran @ 44
From memory it is Kaplan Educational services and IIRC it brings in ~$300 million a year to the corp.
RevDeb @ 54
I agree. She needs to be very careful or she will become a joke. She doesn’t live in Nancy’s district and she couldn’t be Nancy if she had her own air force. I respect and support Cindy but she needs to do what she does best but not this.
The picnic looked like fun. If the duck that visited was a liberal, he must have flown down from Austin. :D
RevDeb @ 62
Perhaps only to pull Pelosi to the left a bit?
Quick, somebody grab a fire extinguisher! Teddy’s on fire!
Evening all. Great post and truly to the point Teddy.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 57
Sheehan has threatened to mount a primary challenge against Pelosi unless articles of impeachment are introduced in the house in the next two weeks.
http://my.earthlink.net/articl…..-448377287
DrDick @ 67
Howdy Dr D
RevDeb @ 46
That reminds me — I saw an actual lame duck when I was in Vermont. It was mooching at a lake we visited, and appeared to have had a broken wing at some point. Shows you how far removed from politics I was while I was there — the symbolism didn’t even occur to me.
(We felt sorry for it, but it didn’t seem to be a recent injury, and it appeared to be doing okay.)
TeddySanFran @ 53
You’ve got blanket approval from us ;-)
The spotlight (and such) bar isn’t up there, Teddy. Guess FiniFini spoke too soon. *G*
TexB @ 10
From the pics you posted, looks like a good time was had by all.
So who else plans to call the White House comment line tomorrow to continue complaining about Libby’s sentence being commuted? I do.
They hoped the riffraff would calm down after the holiday and forget about it, but I say we keep calling.
202-456-1111.
RevDeb @ 43
Hi Rev!
You are right of course, the WaPo is the print version of MTP, with all its ADM and Grumman advertising. And I expect that anyone who could get fired from WaPo must necessarily tow the line.
But Howell’s very proud of her run-of-the-play contract. She brags about it to me in private emails when I accuse her of writing so as not to offend Donnie, or to secure herself giant Christmas bonuses. She can’t be fired, she’s an independent contractor, and she’ll be in place until the contract runs out.
How could any patriot not take advantage of that situation? She doesn’t hate America, does she? Does she?
Hi DrD, is it cooling off any out there?
Re Sheehan: I mean, do we really need another circular firing squad right now?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 57
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19665569/
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 47
Hey, Fini, the one who taught me how to mp3! My first Apple iTunes downloads were thanks to Fini, all. Good to see your handle around the ‘lake again.
Teddy, you write beautifully and your points are always excellent. I hope you can bag that agonizing….Think what else you could do with the time!
Loo Hoo, the spotlight link is there — just under “Washington Post”
Reshift, that is very cool.
LoudounLib @ 75
Oh, please say “yes.” That would leave some vanishing hope that the coolness would head my way.
To spotlight this post, click this (it was at the bottom the post and might not have been visible)
I think Cindy SHeehan has done some incredibly bold things in her life and the fight she has been waging in memory of her son has been to her credit. I understand her motivation for that but I agree with the sentiment here that she may be breaching a barrier here where she will begin losing support.
Having said that, I am beginning to question why Madame Speaker is not moving toward Articles of Impeachment for Dick Cheney at minimum. I understand her argument of no impeachment for Bush, but even Republicans are behind impeaching Cheney now. This is something she could do that would unite the country behind her.
LoudounLib @ 6
Bahahaha.
LoudounLib, are you in Loudoun Co VA?
Re the WaPoo: Berkshire Hathaway owns a big hunk of WaPoo stock. [See item above about Warren Buffett, Bill Gates & Catherine Graham. Graham (Catherine, the “good” one) gave Buffett a lot of credit for helping her to get “up to speed” so she could better understand the business aspects of the newspaper.]
Buffett’s general philosophy has been to acquire companies, or parts of companies, that he thinks are well run, and not interfere in their running. However, i saw him quoted recently about the poor performance of the WaPoo stock. I’m thinking of writing him to give him some clues as to why. [After 30 years of subscribing, we canceled because we just couldn’t support Donnie’s right-wing tripe any more.]
Feeling somewhat better. Thanks for asking. More than 1/2 way through the antibiotics. On the upswing. Will feel really better when we have a buyer for our house.
Totally off the wall OT..but can some one explain the FDL registration-login and Facebook linking?
Pach mentioned it earlier and I have seen nothing since.
RevDeb @ 87
Best of luck with that.
burnspbesq @ 76
Good Question!!!
Evil Dr. Puma @14
no, the Wapravda isn’t even useful for canaries anymore. the new smaller newsprint page doesn’t fit Perky’s cage.
Nevermind, Teddy. Guess we don’t have the colorful bar anymore.
CTuttle @ 89
The Dems have a portable one and Rahm gets to fire it.
Good article by Andrew Sullivan in Times Online
snip
Bush’s response, moreover, appears to have been a lonely, surreal retreat into a bunker of curious balm. He has been inviting friendly intellectuals to lunch to buck himself up. He has watched as key aides and advisers have left, and he has found it very hard to replace them. And he gets to read charming anonymous quotes in the press like this one in The Washington Post last week from “a senior House Republican”: “Our members just wish this thing would be over. People are tired of him. There’s nobody there who can stand up to him and tell him, ‘Mr President, you’ve got to do this. You’re wrong on this.’ There’s no adult supervision. It’s like he’s oblivious. Maybe that’s a defence mechanism.”
Steve @ 88
You do not register or log in to FireDogLake. All that is necessary is a name and an email addy (as indicated below the submit comment box).
The Facebook linking is still in development last I heard.
Mauimom, yes I am — just outside Leesburg.
drive by:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r…..11376.html
Given the weirdness surrounding the WH’s “instructions” to ralston and miers not to testify, (they’re private citizens now, and no known exec priv claim covers that except attorney client stuff and that’s not what they’re gonna be asked about), if Fitz DOES agree to testify, expect him to be “instructed” by Gonzo not to. If Fitz says, “why?” and gonzo says “cause I sez so!” and Fitz says “I’m testifying (assume a subpoena for good measure to cover fitz’s back), expect gonzo to fire him and possibly attempt to have him disbarred charged with being ugly and dressed funny by his mother, and thrown in the slammer.
The Friday Night Massacre, Bush Crime Family style.
BTW, i have been forced to rethink Polonium on the Potomac. A lot of weird crap has gone down since then, and i now suspect something more strange than we could have ever imagined. also, unfortunately, it means we ARE going to invade iran, AFTER we withdraw from IRAQ. Yep, you heard it here first, firepups, Chimpy is gonna pull out of iraq. The NYT did NOT have a change of morality; the editorial is meant to give him cover. i’ll lay it all out in a series of posts on ravings tomorrow.
My brain finally rebooted today after about two weeks of hell. Whew!
Love to you all, and keep the faith! we may actually have the b*st*rds on the run and not even realized it!
Suzanne @ 95
http://www.facebook.com/ register there. use the name you use here, and firedoglake if you don’t want to use your real last name.
Couldn’t find Debbie on the Spotlight list. What’s up with that?
TexB @ 65
Which her constituents desire and deserve. Remember, we’re crazy radicals here. In a general election, Sheehan could attract quite a following. And, frankly, Pelosi is not representing her constituents on impeachment at all.
Twain @ 92
Ain’t that the truth!!! Screw the Dem leadership!!!
posaune @ 90
Ah, are they going for more of a tabloid size? Seems apropos.
LoudounLib @ 75
A bit, it only got up to 90 today. Supposed to be in the upper 80s (which is still warm for this time of year) for the next couple of days then warm up into the low-mid 90s later in the week. It could be a really bad fire season this year. I may have to put some of my camping plans on hold.
DrDick @ 66
Thanks so much.
((( AK ))) take care of yourself, nice to see you even in a drive-by!
tell it, Teddy!
Alfred: I look so forward to reading more on your blog.
TeddySanFran @ 59
looks like all were had by a good time…
LoudounLib @ 95
Wow, just drove out there [to the outlet mall] on Friday. My son is racking up the hours behind the wheel to get his license.
When Marcy and/or Jane and/or Christy next come to town, we’ll have to have a get-together. [I’m in suburban MD. Just down the street, it turns out, from the guy who’s Sara Taylor’s atty. John Roberts is in my neighborhood as well. I think we need to import some liberal ducks.]
TeddySanFran @ 81
The part about Chernobyl Kids, not the duck. Well, the duck’s cool too. But the Kids — that’s way cool.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 96
Thanks, AK, for the update, and I eagerly await your new posts! I hope your father is doing better!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 94
Suzanne, if you go to the “META” box it now lists register, login etc. If you click on register it has line for user name, e-mail
???
TeddySanFran @ 78
I’ve been popping in and out but have been busy lately at my blog Monticello and at the group blog Blue Indiana where I am leading up the social networking project and doing a weekly BlogTalkRadio show called Meet the Bloggers every Sunday at 12n EDT/9am PDT.
You can listen to the show at that link to my BTR host page or you can subscribe to it on iTunes by clicking a link on that page. I’m trying to spend more time here at night again besides the time I spend with Donita doing The Spin I’m In.
I’m busy turning Indiana blue right now but the FDL Facebook group has been fun! You guys can friend me there under my real name Joh Padgett.
Suzanne @ 94
Bon Soir, Ma Cheri!!!
mauimom @ 108
That would be great, and we’ll have to get oddmommy in on that too! And Redshift…and AlexCynic….anyone else in NoVA?
anybody else notice on facebook that Jane and Christy just became friends today? about time…
Steve @ 111
Steve, that is META – inside site administration. You do not use that unless you are a front page poster, a moderator (such as myself) or the site administrator.
This is not like the big orange where commenters have to sign in in order to post comments.
punaise @ 116
I have never seen Christy on there.
I think Pachutec’s here.
…just hustling back from sending Christy a friend request on FB ;-)
mauimom @ 118
Yes I believe he is
May I ask a naive question?
I understand that many are disturbed that Nancy hasn’t brought up impeachment, but hasn’t Mr. Kucinich done that?
And, how many reps have co-signed?
12? 14?
So, I’m just wondering what she can do that another rep cannot?
I know, I’m just not getting it. Someone please educate me.
LoudounLib @ 114
TiredFed, for sure. I suspect there are others.
Pachacutec showed up this morning with a very cute icon next to his name, and said he got it by clicking “register” up on the upper right. There’s some Facebook involvement as well.
thanks burns, yep — I believe TiredFed is in the Balto. area
TeddySanFran @ 124
It is still in development and being beta tested if the little birdy told me correctly. Not ready for primetime yet.
Bravo! Teddy.
A wonderful piece!
Cheers!
travelite
Suzanne @ 125
Ah, that would explain why I didn’t get a password sent to me earlier today, after I saw Pach’s comment.
demi @ 121
As Speaker of the House she can lean on committee chairpersons to sit on or pass through committee bills like the Kucinich Articles of Impeachment which have been languishing in the Judiciary Committee where they were sent for a hearing. The chair of that committee has to have a hearing on them before they can be introduced on the floor of the House.
That hearing has not happened yet and Pelosi could hold up other bills from that committee for votes on the floor of the House until they pass the Articles out to the floor if she wanted to. She needs to do something.
time for me to split, back at work tomorrow…
“I’m so glad we had this time together…”
good night all!
LoudounLib @ 127
Well that explains it, I even had to change my screen name and still no e-mail with a password.
punaise @ 115
Christy just signed up and became member #668.
Night LL. Good luck defending America from itself tomorrow.
Suzanne @ 125
so, it’s in line: Patch-a-queue-tech
Good night LL.
g’nite LL. Thanks again for the friendly notes today.
mauimom @ 108
Between LoudonLib, Pachachutec, Pat Alexva, and a few others (it’s still hard to relate FDL to Facebook…) we could have a fun gathering. I’ll offer-up my place 3 blocks from the Old Town Metro unless anybody else has a better venue. And my dogs would be very nice to any liberal ducks.
demi @ 121
The Speaker is pretty much in charge of what comes to the floor every day. She and her leadership team, along with committee Chairs, decide what’ll get taken up. Somehow, she got Conyers to take his impeachment articles from the 109th Congress “off the table,” probably by giving him entirely free rein except for impeachment.
Some see it as self-dealing for her to push for impeachment, as she benefits from a dual impeachment by becoming President. On the other hand, with 14 co-sponsors (and let’s see what happens tomorrow when ‘critters return from home leave!!) the leadership may have to make a decision to move forward, at least on the Cheney impeachment.
More FDL impeachment discussion Friday.
burnspbesq @ 122
Alas, I bemoan the fact I have only one other FDL soul within close proximity! And, I can’t mention her name! I would have to kill ya!!! ;-)
TheOtherWA @ 73
I do, and the Capital switchboard is 202-224-3121.
Hey, Teddy, I also wrote to Lil Deb this morning to contrast her column with Hoyt’s.
But here’s what I’m thinking–isn’t her term as ombuds due to expire at the end of the year? If I recall correctly, the previous ombudspeople served for two years, and if she also gets two years, Deb’s time would be up this December or next January. Of course the powers that be at the Post may like it just fine that they have an incompetent lapdog in that role and could beg her to stay on.
If she’s leaving, how do we influence the Grahams and the Hiatts and whoever hires the ombudsman to find an actual, you know, sentient being next time around??
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travelite @ 126
Thank you, and welcome!
AlexandriaCynic @ 136
Make sure you assign at least two people to bring bug spray.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 129
Thank you, thank you, Fini Fini. I have a more clear picture now. Now, I’m just wondering if she has delegated this bit of biz to Conyers, who is putting a big puzzle together so that they will have an air-tight argument.
LoudounLib @ 129
‘nite LL
CTuttle @ 138
I’m not sure that I have any. 8-(
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 128
But/and she’s skittish about doing it because if Darth & Chimpy were to be impeached and removed she’d be next in line for the throne. And you know who would whine endlessly about this being all about politics. BooHoo.
Crooks and Liars has a clip of Faux News pertaining to HDS(Hillary Derangement Syndrome).
-GSD
P.S. I am getting my fill of rebel flags and whiny ass cracker bumper stickers down here in Tarheel Country.
Come to find out the rebel flag aint about hate, it’s about history.
I’m whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy all the time now.
I just cannot understand the stubbornness of some “groups” of people. Don’t these little folks understand that Bush knows what’s good for them. We’re not occupying Iraq, we are facilitating what’s in their best interests. We aren’t colonialists after their resources. We are enablers, helping the people of Iraq to lift themselves up. So they may one day become human beings.
DrDick @ 145
Montana?
I think TSF hit the nail on the head re: Conyers. I am betting she foresaw the Chimpeachment was going to be more divisive than the Dickpeachment and that is why she took Chimpeachment off the table and gave Conyers free reign. She knew the Shadow Prez was gonna step on Dick’s Dick and get himself Dickpeached and so by taking Chimpeachment off the table is showing her chess like mind at work.
Or some shit like that.
GSD — you need to head over to the Peoples Republic of Chapel Hill, and drop by the Edwards campaign while you’re there. It’s a pretty part of NC, and populated with people like us.
G’night LL. I think I’ll join you and, as AK would say, go *poof*
CTuttle @ 149
Yep. Missoula to be precise. Remember this is a pretty big state (4th largest) and folks are kind of spread out (3rd lowest population density).
DrDick @ 145
And how many of us have offered to visit???
some day we’ll have to put together an East Bay, SF (yo, TSF!), Sacramento, Santa Cruz Mtn. (hint hint Suzanne), Carmel (hi npb!), etc. get-together
Howie had a post up earlier this eve re: Cindy Sheehan here
And this was my comment (VG)–
~~Cindy Sheehan obviously (imo) will not be a viable candidate against Pelosi. But, I totally support her actions- tho they may be rhetorical rather than practical. She is trying to force the impeachment issue with Pelosi, doubtless channeling the frustration that many of us feel about the table not being set for impeachment.~~
RevDeb @ 152
Night Reverend. sleep the sleep of the just. Hope you get to feeling better soon.
punaise @ 155
Aren’t you going to include the Peninsula?
RevDeb @ 98
I couldn’t either, so I went to Fred Hiatt. Is that where it should go, Teddy? Anybody else? Newsweek maybe?
The view here is to encourage the Speaker to go after the vice-prez. John Dean thinks there is a very strong case to be made for impeachment of Dick. I am inclined to agree with Mr. Dean.
punaise @ 155
And Sonoma County?!
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{VG!!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Sleep well RevDeb. Keep feeling better.
Twain @ 158
but of course – it’s implied between SF and SC.
ah, hell: all NorCal…
Hey fini!
Grade-A shitheel Karl Rove has been bouncing phrases off of Frank Luntz’ toupee and has come up with “post surge redeployment”.
Time for a “post August roll-out” of a new product.
Of course it would be treasonous were such words spoken by anyone other than a Bush annointed flunky.
-GSD
we are blessed with a Valley Girl apparition!
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 150
I’m not so hopeful on Conyers!
“John Conyers said today that ‘he would not hold Taylor in contempt and he hoped negotiations with the White House might break the impasse.’”
I have serious reservations…
punaise @ 156
we could do a day up here at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods
punaise @ 165
Thank you. :)
punaise @ 165
Hey punaise! let me know in advance about the date. I will def. do a fly in/ fly by. I would love to meet up in NoCal. And, thanks for kicking in $25 for Donna Edwards, with the h/t to me. She is awesome.
TexB @ 154
Ma’am, Mi casa, Su casa!!! *g*
Nite LL, RevDeb, Suz. Nite all.
Suzanne @ 171
noice…
Lahoma has arrived. I’m out of here. ;0)
TSF,
Actually, my brother lives nearer to Chapel Hill, but his vacation home is on the coast.
I feeling encouraging the mullet-headed, woe is Dixie types to start playing around with lathes.
-GSD
CTuttle @ 173
Call me when you get back to 80’s instead of 100’s.
g’nite OKK. Please tell Lahoma I think that’s the most beautiful name in the world. It’s like a song all on its own.
Almost forget; nite Aunt B. Great pix.
Thanks to everyone for educating me.
‘ppreciate it.
I still think it’s going to take a little more time for this big mess to get untangled. But, I hope we are at a tipping point. I hope this is more than wishfull thinking.
TexB @ 154
I have always said that I welcome visitors, if they do not mind sharing a small, one bedroom apartment (with no a/c).
VG – cool.
my short-term FDL related goal is catch Patrick Rex’s gig in SF next Sunday. summer is going by fast; anybody up for a fall event?
I’ve got a blogmate at my place who commented on my pro impeachment post the other day who said it best: “We are a nation of Kermit the Frogs” in reference to the impeachment issue. His contention is that the Democrats in Congress are like frogs who get boiled slowly by the Cheneyites in a pan of water where the heat is applied slowly and through complacency allow themselves to be boiled. Conyers is sounding more like Kermit.
punaise @ 183
Yes. I’d be delighted to meet you all. Suzanne, are you selling your cabin? Should we have a plan A and plan B?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 184
whine ought Kermit Lynch?
My offer stands until the day the new owners take possession – presuming, of course, that it sells.
TexB @ 178
Uhoh, Ma’am! Wrong geographical locale, I reside on the Big Isle of Hawaii!!! We seldom ever see the high Nineties!!!
CityGirl @ 140
You are correct, I believe. We must deluge The Post with demands that it be an open process; readers must choose the reader’s representative this time. Allow the publisher to choose four finalists, who each ombuds one week’s worth of fishwrap. Then readers vote online.
Deb was hired as a favor to her husband, iirc, who moved to DeeCee to take some semi-autonomous job with The Regime, such as at Freddie or Fannie Mac. Adrift as the trailing spouse, she was picked up by Graham, who I believe hires the O.
Wrt Hoyt, recall that Debbie attended the Ombudsmans’ Convention and wrote about it (embarassingly) and also bragged of lunching with the NYT’s new public editor, who may not have been public then. Just a little more inside-inside, y’know?
Actually, now that I’ve looked, her term is up sooner than we thought. She says October 2006, but she also says a year-and-a-half ago. I think she’s outta there in October 2007:
Dang, planning a second group meet-up. How cool! I do feel a special friendship with Balrog since we had sushi together. Here’s Petrocelli and his family make it down soon. *g*
We’re back from the walk. Peewee, the “runt” of the litter found another black and white “kitty” to play with. It may not have been a liberal “kitty” but it was very liberal in the scent it put out to get her to go away.
Teddy, you’ve really got Deb’s number.
On the other hand, I don’t think she likes being on the receiving end of the verb “must” in the second person singular. “You must . . . you must . . . you must . . .”
You better be careful, though. If not, some news outlet might read this post and decide they’d like you to be their ombudsperson.
CTuttle @ 188
Shall I come visit you instead?
Om a buds person. :D
Gnome de Plume @ 191
Ooh, that sucks, it’ll take weeks for the aroma to fade away!!!
TSF-
well, that’s a real hoot.
Lil Deb (from your comment above) sez:
~~I have no idea what my legacy will be, but I hope (for my entire career) that it is one of tough reporting, fairness to all and opening doors for readers to understand how important public decisions are made. And to help readers make their wishes known.~~
Loo Hoo. @ 139
Good point! Thanks.
Loo Hoo. @ 159
Leonard Downie, Executive Editor
Donald Graham, Publisher
Howard Kurtz, Host (ask Howie to email it to Debbie. He’ll love that!)
TexB @ 193
Only if you promise to bring Cassie! *g*
Gnome de Plume @ 191
Tomato juice apparently works to correct that (though the dog will smell like a bloody Mary for a while).
Night LL and RevDeb.
CTuttle @ 196
Oh no, I have an emergency preparedness kit. My groomer sells a super deodorizer from Italy. I keep a bottle on hand at all times. This is the second time in the last week that she played with this kitty.
Gnome de Plume @ 202
Slow learner?
punaise @ 165
Hey.
Good gravy, I need to throw in the towel and hit the hay. I will never get caught up on my blog reading that I missed over the last two days away, and I’ve conflated Lil Debbie with NYT at my (17) being over-tired. [sigh]
‘Niters, FirePups. Give ‘em hell.
DrDick @ 203
Apparently!!! 8-)
Valley Girl @ 156
Oh, VG, you didn’t tell me Howie would be torturing me with that wedding picture! Oh well….
DrDick @ 203
Um no. I think she killed it this time.
Nite, Sleepers!!! Dang, I’m time zone challenged!!! ;-)
TeddySanFran @ 59
Thank you (she said preening just a little bit). It was a blast. We laughed a lot. And I just loved putting the people with the words I’ve seen on the toobz.
Night AC and OKK.
TexB @ 193
You are more than welcome my friend.
Well, even having temporary kids takes a lot out of you. I’m about to fall over; g’night all!
Rayne @ 205
Night Rayne. Sleep well.
GSD @ 177
Kill Devil Hills, Corola, Frisco?
Yeah, they are insufferable but they talk pretty sorta.
TheOtherWA @ 64
Paddled his little duck paws.
man am i tired. i just replied to myself thinking i was replying to CT. yikes.
TSF- you so funny. Howie luvs you, I’m sure. He was calling out for you during the vlog with Laesch. I’m sure he didn’t mean to.. t you.
Redshift @ 213
sleep well.
punaise @ 155
And peninsula/south bay! :~)
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 194
seein’ some “e”, yeah?
spurious @ 220
yep!
Peterr @ 192
No — she’s asked me in emails not to address her exactly that way. How did you know??
Loo Hoo. @ 204
donde estas?
Hey Green Warrior. I think it’s really good we didn’t help Gnome put the groceries away. Look what could have happened!
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 194
heh!
Teddy, if we could influence the next WaPo hire, that would be great. Somehow, though, I think they will keep their own counsel and stick with their insular little club. I suspect my ideal candidate (say, Bill Moyers, if he’d take it?) would be anathema to them. If I thought it would do any good I’d suggest we send some letters….In any case, thank you for continuing to hold Deb’s feet to the fire.
punaise @ 221
Not since the club days ended. Good times, one could even say DY-NO-MITE!
TeddySanFran @ 223
I have highly places sources.
Which is not the same kind of high as as fini’s “buds”.
Hi, VG–haven’t “seen” you for awhile!
mauimom @ 108
Don’t look in this direction. We need all the liberal ducks we have. Blue spot in a red state.
TeddySanFran writes:
I don’t. They deserve Hoyt because they made the effort to find him and hire him. While I am appalled at lapses like the reporting of Judith Miller and Michael Gordon, in general the NYT seems to be committed to good reporting. They’ve done some great work in Iraq, especially when you consider that their reporters there depend on the U.S. military for their continued safety.
OTOH, the Washington Post seems to be committed to not doing good reporting, or doing it just often enough to get by. It’s no accident that Fred Hiatt and Debbie Howell both work there, and that Howie Kurtz is their most prominent reporter/editor (whatever it is he’s supposed to be doing at WaPo) on TV.
Stating the obvious again, I’m sure, but it’s what I’m good at. ;)
TexB @ 225
That is why I don’t like people to help me clean up. *g*
Deb loves the worldwide perch of her position, but when challenged on it, falls back on the “I’m just working for a little hometown paper” shtick.
I’m sorry — I know too many real journalists at too many “lil’ hometown papers” to let her get away with that BS.
Dana @ 230
Hey Dana! I’ve been trying to back off from the toobz, at least for a while. I just get so crazy and upset. Call it denial. But, I am making progress on cleaning out my refrigerator!
Gnome de Plume @ 233
Ya know, I sensed that might be the reason.
Peterr @ 229
Hey I resemble that remark :D
Most of my sources are highly placed…mostly on couches and chairs when I see them.
CityGirl @ 227
As The Regime implodes, many will glide away from their previous positions of support. Glenn makes this point very well in Tragic Legacy — the conservatives are so unhappy with Bush’s popularity that he is suddenly not a conservative at all in their view.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see WaPo look for someone who is willing to lead their editorial team back from the dark side, in order to curry favor with the incoming power centers. Greenwald himself would be ideal; I like your Moyers idea, though. Someone from Media Matters would also be excellent.
Cujo359 @ 232
And then there’s Froomkin.
The WaPo’s biggest problem is they can’t figure out how to be a media outlet in the digital era. Dan’s on the “.com” end of the WaPo empire, while Deb’s on the dead tree end — and never the twain shall meet, according to the powers that be.
Of course, the denizens of the toobz know that this division is nonsense, but that doesn’t keep the WaPo from their silliness.
So is this a video off the the new B-52’s CD? 15 years is a long time to wait, y’all. Worse than John Fogerty in that regard.
VG–me too! It helped to concentrate my mind on things closer to home when the kitchen flooded (dishwasher) and meant no vacation and lots of reconstruction. I just wish I had a sink.
Valley Girl @ 235
Repeat after me:
I can quit anytime I want.
I can quit anytime I want.
I can quit . . .
Yeah, no toobz addicts around the Lake.
Right, punaise?
[Disclaimer: pot, meet kettle.]
TexB @ 217
True! I was wondering there! But, you’re most welcome to visit here!!! *g*
Well friends, those Texas firepups wore me out this afternoon. Calling it a night. See y’all tomorrow.
Peterr @ 242
I can quit anytime I want.
I can quit anytime I want.
I can quit . . .
Yeah, no toobz addicts around the Lake.
Right, punaise?
[Disclaimer: pot, meet kettle.]
I think they are working on a 12-step program for that.
Technicolouryawn @ 240
Great handle!
I haven’t a clue — I searched “Debbie” on YouTube and this came up first. I was in a hurry for a vid, and this one looked good. Click on the YouTube logo in the lower right for more info, I think. And welcome!
The murderer from Belgium suffered from a case of Instant Dahmer.
-GSD
pain free sleep wishes, tex
well, I should pick up a book. tough call: A Tragic Legacy, or The Assault on Reason?
TexB @ 244
Hopefully, Pain-free sleep, Ma’am!!! *g*
‘nite Tex!
Night Aunt Betsy. Sleep well. Looks and sounds like y’all had a great time today.
Night TexB .
-GSD
Assault on Reason I’m told is his best work yet.
TexB @ 244
sweet dreams…
I will sleep soundly. Thanks for the good wishes.
pun, npb said assault on reason was the best
punaise @ 250
I bitterly rue the fact I have neither to choose from!!! :-(
Hey, gang. Just stopping through while my red sauce simmers.
How is everyone?
Peterr @ 242
my self-impose month-long hiatus was relatively successful last September (give or take the occasional appearance by alter-ego 3sivund), but subsequent attempts at moderation have been less than brilliant.
Rayne @ 205
Rayne, hey. I have no idea how you do everything you do, sleep well.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 254
Just finished reading it. It’s very good. And to think we might have had an intelligent, farsighted thinker in the WH instead of this drooling psychopathic simpleton. It just makes me want to cry.
Long Page One Pelosi profile in tomorrow’s WaPo.
Evening Trex. How’s life down there in Georgia? Had any rain?
GSD @ 247
you got mail. 2x. read the comments in second one, not the first.
punaise @ 155
I highly recommend doing it while I’m in Rancho Cordova from this Wed, July 11 – Sat morning July 21. I’d love to meet y’all. After my experience meeting and playing with the Central Texas firepups today, I say meet them all! I should be free most evenings. And will probably have longish lunch breaks. I’d love to come if it’s not too far a drive. Mary McCurnin in Rancho Cordova has my cell phone. We’re in the process of planning to get together for a hike.
TRex @ 259
TRex! How’s the book coming along??? ;-)
Hi TRex !
TRex @ 259
Hey dude, simmering sauces in summertime take several seconds to steam to superciliousness. Or maybe I’m just being super silly.
simmer time, and the livin’ is easy….
From tomorrow’s WaPo:
This is from Bennie Thompson, D-Miss, talking about the Department of Homeland Security.
Ooops.
But if Chertoff’s looking for a way to divert criticism, he can always point to Justice. I think AGAG’s got himself almost a completely vacant executive staff. So many folks at DOJ are “acting” that they ought to apply for SAG cards.
punaise @ 270
SIMMER DOWN NOW!
TRex @ 259
***
Careful with those double entendres, young ‘pod… *G*
I’m about to jump in the shower before I hit the hay. I am hoping that it helps. (The deodorizer hasn’t quite gotten rid of the smell yet.) Oh, I just figured out what to say: My dog may be skunky, but not my beer!
punaise @ 224
North San Diego County.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 269
Particularly in the sultry Georgia evenings!
greenwarrior @ 266
per my comment above, I’m looking at fall. which isn’t to say efforts couldn’t be made…
Night GdP. Good luck with the eau d’skunk.
greenwarrior @ 266
I’ll be in Utah then (Park City…any fire pups around there?). Do you come out to N. Cal often? You’re always welcome for a visit here in Santa Rosa.
Loo Hoo. @ 275
well come on up then
OK: off to read Assault on Reason. thanks for the advice. hasta plus tard.
g’nite….looking forward to meeting you some day.
howdy do!
TeddySanFran @ 59
watch out now, i’se in those pictures.
i was not drunk.
i just look funny.
but, man-o man, do Gnome de Plume and Mr. Gnome have the benefit of the nicest little slice of paradise on a little “island” on the Comal River?
it is sweeeeeet!
i had a great time, the Gnomes were fantastic and Green Warrioress let me drive her Prius.
She insisted.
dakine’s chicken wings were superb.
Amanda’s pasta salad was great.
and Mr. Gnome and i got to reminisce about Roky Erickson and the Thirteenth Floor Elevators.
and Gnome de Plume’s own pups are awesome.
big doggies.
thanks Betsy for your pictures.
Night punaise. I hear it’s a real “pot boiler”.
We got a tiny bit of rain today.
And there are no double entendres here tonight. I’m making a sausage and mushroom marinara.
Gnome de Plume @ 274
Praise be to God! A skunky beer is the epitome of bad taste!!! ;-)
More silliness . . .
Young Republicans, you say? A nine-minute speech, you say? I think the yellow cloudiness in the waters might explain the warmth, Fred.
TRex @ 285
Yum! One of my favorites.
Suzanne @ 248
Ditto, and thanks again for the great pics.
TRex @ 285
Enjoy the sausage, TRex.
(No double entendres here, either.)
TRex @ 285
Ooh, sounds delish! What kind of pasta?
ha ha, Peterr!!
TexB @ 225
As Cassie would say, ewwww! ewwww! ewwwww!
Peterr @ 287
Peterr- well, then, you def. need to read another Howie post. It is worth it for the picture alone.
here
Bare-assed Young Republican swilling beer. The bare-assed buns are really quite obvious. And the beer is dripping down his legs. Of course, the crowd loves it.
MMMMM sausage and mushroom marinara. I had a sausage and banana peppers pizza tonight but would have gladly traded it for pasta. Damn I need a new stove.
Gnome de Plume @ 233
LOL
TRex @ 259
Great. What kind of a red sauce?
TeddySanFran @ 292
Who could have anticipated that TRex could serve up a straight line?
Valley Girl @ 294
Now, truly as Cassie would say, eww…!!! *g*
Well, I think I will also head off to bed. Take care and enjoy the snark.
CTuttle @ 299
I have warned you before to avoid naked Repugs. And, yes, EWWWWWWWWW!
DrDick @ 300
Nite, Dr(pause)Dick!!! 8-)
OT: Earlier there were discussions about where the neocons really come from. IMHO, they are anti-communist intellectuals who spent so much time studying their enemy that they have begun to resemble him. Now, anything that advances their one-party rule is good and anything that hinders it is evil. http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11236
And, though neocons are the extreme, this disease has infected the entire Republican party for the past forty years. Every Republican president since Eisenhower has been involved in crimes against the Constitution and/or their coverup via presidential pardons. Republicans do not believe in bringing their own to justice, even when those sworn to defend the constitution attack it.
Yellow dog! Mr. Gnome has already ordered a bunch of Roky stuff tonight. He was really pumped.
TRex @ 259
TRex!
Check out TexB pics from our Central Texas unvirtual firepup picnic today:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TexBetsy/FirepupPicnic
Valley Girl @ 294
God forbid that darkblack ever gets to a Young Republicans gathering. The reality of the experience would be almost too much: “But . . . But . . . But how could I top that?”
Peterr- LOL!
Peterr @ 306
Way too much material congregated in one spot!!! LOL!!!
Whenever I think of Young Republicans it reminds of a quote Hunter Thompson made about the music business, but if you remove music business and replace it with Young Republican Convention it applies as well.
Laura Doty @ 279
I might be there in November. And if not Santa Rosa in November, it’ll be Rancho Cordova again. I should know probably sometime in August.
new thread
More Teddy upstairs
More from Fred:
In my rural upbringing, I learned where it is that flies tend to buzz . . . usually somewhere around the droppings from the southbound end of a northbound critter.
I’m just sayin’.
‘Course, Fred bein’ such a down-home kind of guy, I’m sure he already knew that.
wigwam @ 303
I think you are right. Eisenhower was the last Republican President. He didn’t like the Warren court or Brown v Board but when Faubus defied the Federal Court, Eisenhower sent the 82nd to Little Rock and they stayed for a year. All Republicans since then have been part of an evolving criminal enterprise that calls it self The republican Party.
Peterr @ 287
Or the fires of hell…:-)
Hollywood…Florida…you say?
Frederick of Hollywood (Florida)…he’s the real thing!
punaise @ 155
For that I’d get a cheap JetBlue ticket to Oakland. Make sure I’m on the invite list!!
Um, how are we supposed to be able to *tell* when Deborah Howell is “on vacation”?
There’s a difference between that and the quality of her normal output?