Yeehaw!

I truly hope Glenn gets the attention and rewards he so deserves for speaking truth to America.

Got my copy last week.

Congrats Glenn!

and

THANK YOU!

Woo! First first!

But seriously, read the book on flights back on forth to the West coast over july 4, and upon return had to read the harrowing quotes about neocon concepts of “truth” to my buddy who picked me up at the airport.

This is the guy who explained to me years before the Soviet concepts of “verifiable truth vs. political truth”. The neocons use exactly the same lingo.

((((((Jane))))))

Hope you’re doing well. ;->

Awesome news for Glenn & all of those of us who have always known – this presidency/administration is a total disaster.

Congratulation Glen. Very powerful book. Perhaps we should force read it to the republics.

Good v. Evil has been the modis operandi/mentality of Preznit Protestant Prayer since he was gubernor of Texas. He’s seen everything in Black and White (literally, just ask the family of James Byrd) and continues to do so to this day. Except he’s managed to make Brown the new Black after 9/11 (his favorite day in his miserable life).

I’m starting to wonder if even all but the most hard-core fascist-leaning authoritarian cultists have finally discovered that it’s all about him and no one else. Ever… Oh, and of course, Jesus.

Oh, and congrats on the book, Glen. Have to get to it before Harry Potter comes out :), because, well, I’m unserious.

Jo Fish @ 9

Oh, and congrats on the book, Glen. Have to get to it before Harry Potter comes out :), because, well, I’m unserious.

Ha, you and me both. We have 13 days to finish Glenn’s book, if the new HP arrives on time.

Glenn is one of the most articulate voices out there describing the devastation to constitutional government which has been either carelessly or purposefully done by the Bush-Cheney coup d’etat. Read and weep.

Congratulations to Glenn Greenwald. I am reading the book now. It is remarkable. Also, achieving a spot on the NYT list is extraordinary, given the TradMed blackout of Glenn’s work.

Please note that customer reviews are now being accepted at Amazon. You may review the book or simply rate the reviews. There may be no TradMed reviews of this book, so these customer reviews assume greater importance. Please contribute to Glenn’s success this way if you can.

a real book by a real writer with real info … selling well … to real people

whoa

there may yet be hope

Maybe they’re starting to get it.

Leahy said he saw no point in summoning Libby himself because “his silence has been bought and paid for.”

I’ve just started it but I am struck by how balanced it seems. Nice!

I’m about halfway through the book and it’s awesome. I hope to post a review later this week.

I had a choice between a Buffy Season Two marathon today or Tragic Legacy and believe it or not, I picked Greenwald.

It’s that good.

It is on my reading pile, just under Marcy’s dissection of the Plame affair that I’m in the middle of. I can’t wait to dig into Glenn’s book, since I read his columns at Salon every day.

Congrats Glenn!!

Is it me, or has the screw turned?

Question for someone who has read the book or is otherwise familiar with it:

Does it make the case that the black-and-white mentality is a feature of the authoritarian personality?

That is awesome. I read his Salon.com stuff every day. It’s consistently excellent. I will order his book right away.

Most Americans want to win war

Frank Padgett of Ruston recently wrote that radical conservative Republican right-wing warmongers are willing to throw away the lives of our brave men and women.

It’s useless to argue with him, but I remind those who read his letter that Iraq violated 17 United Nations resolutions and refused all demands to disarm, shooting at our planes daily.

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I would not have waited 17 times to react.
Padgett says conservatives are the ones who bring shame and disgrace to our country. I remind him that it was his Democratic hero who for two years called our soldiers murderers, rapists and terrorists on a daily basis.

It’s his Democratic hero who won a majority in the Senate in November 2006 and fought so hard to defund our military while at war. I remind him that after the Democrats said they would not fund the war, they passed funding by a vote of 80-14. This is now a Democratic Party-funded war.

Padgett said the majority in the country feels the war cannot be won. That’s why his Democrat Congress has 14 percent approval rating. Padgett is wrong. Most Americans feel the war can be won. The only way we can lose this war is for the politicians to make the decision to lose.

We should speak to some of the hundreds of soldiers coming and going through Atlanta and see what they think.

Padgett wants to fly the white flag. Most of America wants and prays for victory.

God bless our country’s military.

Mark Corbin

West Monroe

This was printed today in my old home town newspaper. I sent them the following in response: “I ask that the Monroe Newstar World cease printing opinion letters referring to “winning the war in Irag” without first ensuring that the letter contains some definition of what constitutes winning. People should be able to freely express their opinions, but a newspaper has an obligation to ensure that there is at least some logical depth to items they print. Quite frankly, the majority of opinion letters printed in this paper would make great punch-lines in a Saturday Night Live skit.”

I urge anyone reading this to do the same. Find a small town paper in a red area and submit something similar, daily.

Frankly I’m not surprised. Despite the non-stop insults of Patterico and the rest of Blogistan’s Pajamaista right Glenn is well-known and well-respected political commentator. Moreover antipathy to BushCo is higher than it has ever been before, and still rising.

The question before us: Are these people actually going to leave?

I’m not being paranoid, here. I’m quite serious. I’ve been thinking about this for weeks now : just how Cheney might try to pull it off.

And re-reading this charming speech has only increased my growing apprehension.

David, you are a stronger man than I am.

I read halfway through the speech and started to feel nauseated. Hypocricy does that to me.

From the AP today:

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration is urging a former White House political director to ignore a subpoena and not testify before Congress about the firings of federal prosecutors, her lawyer says.

The Senate Judiciary Committee wants to hear from Sara Taylor at its hearing Wednesday and she is willing to talk. Testifying, however, would defy the wishes of the president, “a person whom she admires and for whom she has worked tirelessly for years,” lawyer W. Neil Eggleston said.

David Ehrenstein @ 22

Frankly I’m not surprised. Despite the non-stop insults of Patterico and the rest of Blogistan’s Pajamaista right Glenn is well-known and well-respected political commentator. Moreover antipathy to BushCo is higher than it has ever been before, and still rising.

The question before us: Are these people actually going to leave?

I’m not being paranoid, here. I’m quite serious. I’ve been thinking about this for weeks now : just how Cheney might try to pull it off.

And re-reading this charming speech has only increased my growing apprehension.

That speech is just gruesome. Especially when he channels Ignatius J. Reilly with his “the wheel has turned” blather.

Congrats, Glenn!

Totally OT, please forgive.

I just heard a snippet on MPR that someone (missed the name) has threatened to run against Pelosi for House Speaker chair if she does not put articles of impeachment on the table in the next two weeks.

Can anyone confirm, and also, am I hours behind the story?

barbara @ 26

Totally OT, please forgive.

I just heard a snippet on MPR that someone (missed the name) has threatened to run against Pelosi for House Speaker chair if she does not put articles of impeachment on the table in the next two weeks.

Can anyone confirm, and also, am I hours behind the story?

It’s CINDY!

Arrrrrgh! Just found it. It’s Cindy Sheehan, threatening to run as an Independent. Can she really do that? Be that as it may, it sure as heck ramps up the conversation, for good or ill. Make me smart, pups. (No one has succeeded lo! these many years.)

Pelosi and her group, drive me nuts, because they seem to treat Bush/Cheney as if they were your run-of-the-mill administration instead of the obvious dictatorship that they are. This is serious, and they just seem in la la land about the continuous flip the finger in the face of the laws of this nation. Ugh!!

barbara @ 26

Totally OT, please forgive.

I just heard a snippet on MPR that someone (missed the name) has threatened to run against Pelosi for House Speaker chair if she does not put articles of impeachment on the table in the next two weeks.

Can anyone confirm, and also, am I hours behind the story?

Cindy Sheehan

LS @ 29

Pelosi and her group, drive me nuts, because they seem to treat Bush/Cheney as if they were your run-of-the-mill administration instead of the obvious dictatorship that they are. This is serious, and they just seem in la la land about the continuous flip the finger in the face of the laws of this nation. Ugh!!

Is it even remotely possible that they’re doing the Pink Panther’s “little yellow friend” routine, preparing to spring off the door frame onto Bush and Cheney’s back??

AND big congratulations to Glenn Greenwald. It is, indeed, a very big deal.

I will slither back under my rock now . . . . .

LS @ 29

Pelosi and her group, drive me nuts, because they seem to treat Bush/Cheney as if they were your run-of-the-mill administration instead of the obvious dictatorship that they are. This is serious, and they just seem in la la land about the continuous flip the finger in the face of the laws of this nation. Ugh!!

You have put your finger on the biggest issue of the day! Clearly, Bush is the worst president ever. But is he different in degree or different in kind? FWIW, I think this is new and different. Yep, we’ve been lied to before. Yep, there’s been illegal wars before. Well, you know … I don’t have to catalogue it for you. But my son who is 25 years old reminds me about landslide Lyndon, the war in Cambodia, the Phillipines, and other travesties such as breaking and entering into the offices of a war critic’s psychologist or the DNC.

What makes me so sad about all of this, sad and angry, is that a whole generation is coming up who thinks that this is normal.

barbara @ 28

It’s Cindy Sheehan, threatening to run as an Independent. Can she really do that?

Last time I looked, it was still sorta a free country. If she lives in the district, I believe she’s old enough to file. What do you mean “can she do that?”

rant over…back to work-lurk mode….

Oh, yeah – congrats to Glenn Greenwald!

trex at 16 says-”I’m about halfway through the book and it’s awesome. I hope to post a review later this week.

I had a choice between a Buffy Season Two marathon today or Tragic Legacy and believe it or not, I picked Greenwald.

It’s that good.”

my best friend turned me onto buffy when she was layed up from knee replacement a few months ago…all she wanted to watch on her drugs….her favorite show…i was never into it….she got me hooked……just finished season five today, she delivered it when she visited……must be a good book to delay buffy……

am now going to amazon link to order glenn’s book………

and tell patrick to please delete my comments from july 5th on his blog, many thanks and blessings if you do this…..i will send you banana republic pants for it……i gossipped, and shouldn’t have……..so would feel better if it was deleted…….

Big Mitch @ 33

LS @ 29

Pelosi and her group, drive me nuts, because they seem to treat Bush/Cheney as if they were your run-of-the-mill administration instead of the obvious dictatorship that they are. This is serious, and they just seem in la la land about the continuous flip the finger in the face of the laws of this nation. Ugh!!

You have put your finger on the biggest issue of the day! Clearly, Bush is the worst president ever. But is he different in degree or different in kind? FWIW, I think this is new and different. Yep, we’ve been lied to before. Yep, there’s been illegal wars before. Well, you know … I don’t have to catalogue it for you. But my son who is 25 years old reminds me about landslide Lyndon, the war in Cambodia, the Phillipines, and other travesties such as breaking and entering into the offices of a war critic’s psychologist or the DNC.

What makes me so sad about all of this, sad and angry, is that a whole generation is coming up who thinks that this is normal.

At one point, back in 1993, even “Dean” Broder didn’t think it was normal. Atrios has a great post up about Broder back in ‘93.

If I were a Republican, I’d find a way to finesse my idiotic take on Sheehan. I flew to the keyboard with the words “run against Pelosi” in my wee brain, and somehow bypassed the California House election, going directly to running against her for the Speaker’s chair. Don’t ask. And please don’t tell. I will now sedate myself.

Great book Glenn!

I can just imagine during a meeting in the Oval Office after 9-11 the empty look on Bush’s face after 5 hours of Colin Powell trying to educate him on Al-Qaeda. When Powell suddenly threw his hands in the air and said, “George they’re the bad guys, we’re the good guys. We’re good, they’re evil.”
And the rest is History.

Dover Bitch @ 25

David Ehrenstein @ 22

Frankly I’m not surprised. Despite the non-stop insults of Patterico and the rest of Blogistan’s Pajamaista right Glenn is well-known and well-respected political commentator. Moreover antipathy to BushCo is higher than it has ever been before, and still rising.

The question before us: Are these people actually going to leave?

I’m not being paranoid, here. I’m quite serious. I’ve been thinking about this for weeks now : just how Cheney might try to pull it off.

And re-reading this charming speech has only increased my growing apprehension.

That speech is just gruesome. Especially when he channels Ignatius J. Reilly with his “the wheel has turned” blather.

Congrats, Glenn!

Add another person that wants to congratulate Glenn. I’ll be sure to buy the book this week sometime.

LS @ 29

What makes me so sad about all of this, sad and angry, is that a whole generation is coming up who thinks that this is normal.

Sara at Orcinus wrote to that idea, as well – that we’re now past a full generation of people who have never known anything but this sick corruption. And I posted about how the social contract between patients and healthcare providers has been broken since the early 1980’s brought in prospective payment and managed care which punishes physicians and nurses for taking time to care for and about patients instead of producing high patient service volumes in a rote manner.

Generational changes are much harder to introduce, get traction about and implement. We not only have to correct past wrongs, but now we really have to start all over again in many respects and introduce those things as new ideas and concepts.

I wanted to agree with Scarecrow’s post down below. It is a good thing the NYT is coming out for withdrawal. I agree too that Bush and Cheney will try to block or slow it. However, I would add that if the Times wanted to show their bona fides on this they would dump the warmonger cum stenographer Michael Gordon.

boxer-remind people that the low rating of congress right now is not necessarily a rating of democrats, but on how the republicans are blocking things…….just a thought……..

LS @ 29

Pelosi and her group, drive me nuts, because they seem to treat Bush/Cheney as if they were your run-of-the-mill administration instead of the obvious dictatorship that they are. This is serious, and they just seem in la la land about the continuous flip the finger in the face of the laws of this nation. Ugh!!

The same attitude permeates the media. Every news story about Bush should begin, “George Bush the worst and most calamitous President in our history said that . . .” And it should end, “As usual he was wrong.”

They’ve figured out how to “beat the punishment”, they will wait you out; and in terms of animal training especially stallions, that is what sets you up for really, dangerous, “rank” behavior (if the stallion is so inclined – most are not that way) but some fear nothing, because they know you will only go “so far”, and when you’re not looking they will bite you in the back or worse – you can never, ever turn your back on a creature unwilling to back down in a life-threatening situation – if they regard you as the beatable enemy. I think these guys fit that description pretty well. Solution: Geld them!! :)

I’m currently in chapter two of my copy, exploring the inside of Bush’s head. Not a comfortable place to be.

Congratulations, Glenn! Keep climbing the charts!

Why has he not done the usual jog through the land of talking heads to promote his book? Is there a reason he hasn’t done many (or any) tv appearances about it?

Since he can sell books too why doesn’t tweety have him on hardball for a full hour?

Big Mitch at 43:

“Clearly, Bush is the worst president ever. But is he different in degree or different in kind? “

In degree.

BushCo didn’t come out of nowhere. It is the logical consequence of decades of U.S. “Foreign Policy.” In the past we’d take over a country by making friends with the biggest fascist, paying him to do the dirty work and then repaing the financial rewards (see Graham Greene, Gore Vidal, and Noam Chomsky.)

BushCo tried to do it all themselves.

And they have failed.

The question is are they going to continue “until the job is done”?

Meanwhile through TV shows like 24 and films like Saw, Hostel and Captivity torture has become acceptable.

boxer @ 21

As I like to point out all the UN resolutions referenced in the 2002 AUMF against Iraq are from the First Gulf War. It was precisely because the Bush Administration could not get a UN OK for the 2003 war that they were reduced to this stratagem.

OT:
Ebay’s new classified website has got to be making newspapers very nervous. kijiji (meaning “village”) launced on Friday, you can place a classified ad for free throughout the US or Canada.
snip
Welcome to Kijiji United States! Your local and free classifieds site.
Here you can buy & sell new or used goods, look for a car or job, find local events, meet local people and lots more. And you can do it all for free!

USA site

Canada site

ccmask @ 49

OT:
Ebay’s new classified website has got to be making newspapers very nervous. kijiji (meaning “village”) launced on Friday, you can place a classified ad for free throughout the US or Canada.
snip
Welcome to Kijiji United States! Your local and free classifieds site.
Here you can buy & sell new or used goods, look for a car or job, find local events, meet local people and lots more. And you can do it all for free!

USA site

Canada site

It’s very much like craiglist.

Rheinhard @ 4

Woo! First first!

But seriously, read the book on flights back on forth to the West coast over july 4, and upon return had to read the harrowing quotes about neocon concepts of “truth” to my buddy who picked me up at the airport.

This is the guy who explained to me years before the Soviet concepts of “verifiable truth vs. political truth”. The neocons use exactly the same lingo.

Because the neocons have exactly the same plan for this country. We’re already looking at economic ruin, i don’t care what Cavuto reports. Next will be the quarantine camps and the Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists.

I bought two copies so I would have one to circulate while I read the other.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 24

From the AP today:

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration is urging a former White House political director to ignore a subpoena and not testify before Congress about the firings of federal prosecutors, her lawyer says.

The Senate Judiciary Committee wants to hear from Sara Taylor at its hearing Wednesday and she is willing to talk. Testifying, however, would defy the wishes of the president, “a person whom she admires and for whom she has worked tirelessly for years,” lawyer W. Neil Eggleston said.

Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson…..
just sayin’

James @ 51..”Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists”

It’s already here, have you seen “Jesus Camp”?..It’s now out on DVD

N=1 @ 40

LS @ 29

What makes me so sad about all of this, sad and angry, is that a whole generation is coming up who thinks that this is normal.

Sara at Orcinus wrote to that idea, as well – that we’re now past a full generation of people who have never known anything but this sick corruption. And I posted about how the social contract between patients and healthcare providers has been broken since the early 1980’s brought in prospective payment and managed care which punishes physicians and nurses for taking time to care for and about patients instead of producing high patient service volumes in a rote manner.

Generational changes are much harder to introduce, get traction about and implement. We not only have to correct past wrongs, but now we really have to start all over again in many respects and introduce those things as new ideas and concepts.

More than a full generation of people…there are people I know from the Sixties who were so much more interested in getting high and snorting coke during the wild 80s that they don’t even remember how outraged a large segment of the country was that Reagan was going to be president. This guy represented nothing but pure evil to me back then and his legacy has become just that, the triumph of evil, the predominance of the means justifies the ends mentality in just about everything.

And the friggin press certainly hasn’t helped matters since the Fairness Doctrine was scrapped.

But the fact that our colective memory as a country finds it hard to register anything prior to “Morning in America” is just frightening.

Raven: I’ve never even logged onto Craigs list. I’ll have to check it out (it will give me something to do when the servers go down here). Glenn got some nice reviews over at Amazon.

Break a leg Glenn.

In Jesus Camp (featuring the lovely Ted Haggard) children are taught to pray to a cardboard cut-out of Bush.

Steve @ 54

James @ 51..”Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists”

It’s already here, have you seen “Jesus Camp”?..It’s now out on DVD

Well if Putin is doing it, it has to be a good idea, after all W did look into his soul. Some how none of that seems to make sense.

David Ehrenstein @ 57

In Jesus Camp (featuring the lovely Ted Haggard) children are taught to pray to a cardboard cut-out of Bush.

I’d love to get a Bush cutout except I’d be afraid it would steal one of my good purses.

David Ehrenstein @ 57

In Jesus Camp (featuring the lovely Ted Haggard) children are taught to pray to a cardboard cut-out of Bush.

A cardboard cut-out? How could anyone tell it wasn’t the real thing?

Steve @ 54

James @ 51..”Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists”

It’s already here, have you seen “Jesus Camp”?..It’s now out on DVD

Yeah I saw that along with God on Our Side. Scary. I’m afraid the whole fundie thing might just spread to “regular” kids and families.

argosfalcon @ 58

Steve @ 54

James @ 51..”Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists”

It’s already here, have you seen “Jesus Camp”?..It’s now out on DVD

Well if Putin is doing it, it has to be a good idea, after all W did look into his soul. Some how none of that seems to make sense.

Actually, I think the two of them are up in Kennebunkport scheming on how to get third terms for themselves in violation of each country’s constitution.

We already know how Bushie Boy feels about our “goddamn piece of paper.” Putin would have more trouble…the Russians actually take violating their constitution quite seriously.

Of course, that didn’t help Sasha Litvinenko or Anna Politkovskaya stay alive, did it?

thanks ccmask…….only thing is, my part of the state is not in there, maybe will pursue that……..thanks……..and the book is scary……more later……….

David Ehrenstein @ 57

In Jesus Camp (featuring the lovely Ted Haggard) children are taught to pray to a cardboard cut-out of Bush.

Interestingly, when you listened to Ted Haggard, in retrospect, it’s obvious that he is a perv. Same goes for a big Atlantic article on his church. In the movie (which I did not see, though I saw the parts I am discussing) Haggard is talking about how great the sex life of fundies is. The Atlantic article discusses how Haggard went to gay bars to recruit for his church in its early days. I suppose one must go to where the “sinners” are (his view, not mine.) Also, and here, I must be really careful about engaging in stereotypes, the art work in his church was of a certain style, if you know what I mean.

YAY Glenn!

james at 51 says-”Because the neocons have exactly the same plan for this country. We’re already looking at economic ruin, i don’t care what Cavuto reports. Next will be the quarantine camps and the Little Pioneer Camps for kids to learn how to be good little neo-fascists.”

sorry, i don’t believe we’re there yet…..didn’t you just say you have little ones and i’m sure that they will not show up at this camp?……..as i was growing up, there were always little fascists blooming, all around me, but my sister and i were two more against the movement……..in high society even…and we weren’t the only ones with a sense of reality and logic bred from that reality in spite of the social environment….all is not lost with the young ones…….my best friends have breeded the best, two of them to fight on, if you want to put it that way…….one at mt. holyoke who has more hutzpah and sense than anyone i ever met….and the other works for the state in texas for children, directly involved…all is not lost yet……

Yippee!

And Thanks Jane!

Your calls to action on behalf of the book surely helped- I was one of many FDLers who bought the book at Amazon in response to your rabble rousing!

Pretty exciting to see the book go to #1 on the non-fiction bestseller list at Amazon within the hour that followed your post back then.

and the biggest boost to my psyche is harry shearer, who is on the radio right now.

anyone listen to him? you should.

harryshearer.com

Hugh @ 41

I wanted to agree with Scarecrow’s post down below. It is a good thing the NYT is coming out for withdrawal. I agree too that Bush and Cheney will try to block or slow it. However, I would add that if the Times wanted to show their bona fides on this they would dump the warmonger cum stenographer Michael Gordon.

Speaking of Glenn Greenwald, see his post today on the NYT reporting, and his Update referring to Michael Gordon.

I am particularly enthralled with Glenn’s book when he illustrates the BushWorldView encompassing all who oppose Dear Leader as evil. I never quite understood how those of us who opposed the President’s march to war became evildoers and friends of terrorists. But it flows quite naturally from Bush’s Manichean worldview that “you’re either with us or against us” because he is fighting Evil. There can be no reasoned dissent; there is only Evil all around him in opposition.

While illuminating, Glenn’s explanation makes me fear a cornered Bush even more.

and james, i said ‘breeded’ which is not a word, i meant ‘bred’………i am a train of thought person, so words get misspelled…….

syria gets 30,000 iraqis a month………..a month, think about it…….

yeah, i know you all know that already……but still………it arrests my mind……..

please listen to harry………harryshearer.com

Great to hear that A Tragic Legacy debuted at 31. What an achievement (much deserved) and I am enjoying my copy.

From Salon: Defense Secretary Robert Gates scrapped plans to go on a four-nation tour of Latin America this week and will instead stay home to attend meetings on Iraq, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

The meetings are related to a progress report on Iraq that is due to be delivered to Congress by July 15.

dmac @ 72

syria gets 30,000 iraqis a month………..a month, think about it…….

yeah, i know you all know that already……but still………it arrests my mind……..

please listen to harry………harryshearer.com

I’ll catch his podcast I love his insight.

ccmask @ 74

From Salon: Defense Secretary Robert Gates scrapped plans to go on a four-nation tour of Latin America this week and will instead stay home to attend meetings on Iraq, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

The meetings are related to a progress report on Iraq that is due to be delivered to Congress by July 15.

I guess it’s the one they are writing for Petraeus to sign.

The question isn’t why doesn’t Tweety have Greenwald on for an hour it’s why doesn’t Greenwald have Tweety’s job.

From “A Tragic Legacy” page 219:

“The damage done to the United States by the Bush administration over the last six years is truly severe. It is fundamental damage, and it requires much, much more than some tinkering around the edges. America urgently needs to debate and re-examine the core premises or our foreign policy and our role in the world. That, in turn, requires a willingness to transcend the taboos and most sacred orthodoxies and to dispense with the Manichean delusions that have substituted for rational debate”

Big Mitch at 19, that is the premise of the entire book, that a single-minded good vs evil policy leads to a lowering of the discourse, a simplification of policy that inevitably leads to authoritarianism. You don’t back the Bush you must be spanked on the tush.

Well saying that if we escape the bushies how do we repair the damage and prevent this from happening again?

ccmask @ 74

From Salon: Defense Secretary Robert Gates scrapped plans to go on a four-nation tour of Latin America this week and will instead stay home to attend meetings on Iraq, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

The meetings are related to a progress report on Iraq that is due to be delivered to Congress by July 15.

Sumthin’s up. Sumthin big.

GordonM @ 79

ccmask @ 74

From Salon: Defense Secretary Robert Gates scrapped plans to go on a four-nation tour of Latin America this week and will instead stay home to attend meetings on Iraq, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

The meetings are related to a progress report on Iraq that is due to be delivered to Congress by July 15.

Sumthin’s up. Sumthin big.

The report they’re preparing is discussed in this WaPo article. In the supplemental funding bill from May, the President is required to give a progress report to Congress in July on certain benchmarks. Petraeus’ report on the surge is not due until September.

Recusancy @ 46

Why has he not done the usual jog through the land of talking heads to promote his book? Is there a reason he hasn’t done many (or any) tv appearances about it?

Since he can sell books too why doesn’t tweety have him on hardball for a full hour?

As Atrios says .. it’s the no libruls on TV rule. Have you ever noticed .. for instance .. on The Situation Room .. who are the liberals Leslie has on his show? .. Donna Brazile .. Robert Zimmerman(no … not that Robert Zimmerman .. lol) .. Carville and Begala … why? why no Jane Hamsher? .. why no Markos .. or David Sirota? .. yet they’ll put on the looniest of right wingers

argosfalcon at 75=
thanks, harry balances out everything……..

keeps me sane…….my favorite voice on the radio……..besides wait wait don’t tell me…….

harry shearer.com

From RON PAUL September 12, 2001 after the 9/11 attacks

Did President Bush and lawmakers make a mistake by not listening to Ron Paul when he said “killing of innocent civilians will only serve to flame the fires of war and further jeopardize our security”?

NightVision-Yesterday, Americans were awakened to find ourselves in a war, attacked by barbarians who targeted innocent civilians. This despicable act reveals how deep-seated is the hatred that has driven this war.

Though many Americans have just become aware of how deeply we are involved in this war, it has been going on for decades. We are obviously seen by the terrorists as an enemy.

In war there is no more reprehensible act than for combatants to slaughter innocent civilian bystanders. This is what happened yesterday.

If there is such a thing, a moral war is one that is only pursued in self-defense. Those who initiate aggression against others for the purpose of occupation or merely to invoke death and destruction are unforgivable and serve only to spread wanton killing.

In our grief, we must remember our responsibilities. The Congress’ foremost obligation in a constitutional republic is to preserve freedom and provide for national security. Yesterday our efforts to protect our homeland came up short. Our policies that led to that shortcoming must be reevaluated and changed if found to be deficient.

When we retaliate for this horror we have suffered, we must be certain that only the guilty be punished. More killing of innocent civilians will only serve to flame the fires of war and further jeopardize our security. Congress should consider its constitutional authority to grant letters of marque and reprisal to meet our responsibility.

Demanding domestic security in times of war invites carelessness in preserving civil liberties and the right of privacy. Frequently the people are only too anxious for their freedoms to be sacrificed on the altar of authoritarianism thought to be necessary to remain safe and secure. Nothing would please the terrorists more than if we willingly give up some of our cherished liberties while defending ourselves from their threat.

It is our job to wisely choose our policies and work hard to understand the root causes of the war in which we find ourselves.

We must all pray for peace and ask for God’s guidance for our President, our congressional leaders, and all America- and for the wisdom and determination required to resolve this devastating crisis.

I got the book last week, and it was a breeze to read: very clearly written, and made all the important points, which I hope are taken up, especially Bush’s Manachean (either-good-or-evil) and hammered in the msm. It’s an easy point to make, and Greenwald makes it easy for a quick soundbite to be effective on this point.

dmac @ 82

argosfalcon at 75=
thanks, harry balances out everything……..

keeps me sane…….my favorite voice on the radio……..besides wait wait don’t tell me…….

harry shearer.com

He also reminds me why I love/hated LA. I could go on but until they kill off KCRW, I will always touch base With home.

Scarecrow @ 80

GordonM @ 79

Sumthin’s up. Sumthin big.

The report they’re preparing is discussed in this WaPo article. In the supplemental funding bill from May, the President is required to give a progress report to Congress in July on certain benchmarks. Petraeus’ report on the surge is not due until September.

Doesn’t pass my smell test. You don’t cancel his trip unless you need Gates “on board” for something more significant than lying about progress :-).

GordonM @ 79

ccmask @ 74

From Salon: Defense Secretary Robert Gates scrapped plans to go on a four-nation tour of Latin America this week and will instead stay home to attend meetings on Iraq, the Pentagon announced Sunday.

The meetings are related to a progress report on Iraq that is due to be delivered to Congress by July 15.

Sumthin’s up. Sumthin big.

On Friday last we heard that the Federal Debt. had jumped by whooping $74.2 billion … one of the largest spikes ever. What this number does to inflation, interest rates, banks, housing, and Hedge Funds doesn’t bear thinking about. Certainly, the MSM didn’t think about it over the weekend. Not a peep.

White House “Fairy Tales” pale in comparison to the cover-ups headed our way from the fairies working for Bernanke, Paulson, and the Plunge Protection Team. Perhaps the message finally got though to the Raptures that we can no longer afford this war.

GordonM @ 86

Scarecrow @ 80

The report they’re preparing is discussed in this WaPo article. In the supplemental funding bill from May, the President is required to give a progress report to Congress in July on certain benchmarks. Petraeus’ report on the surge is not due until September.

Doesn’t pass my smell test. You don’t cancel his trip unless you need Gates “on board” for something more significant than lying about progress :-).

There was a story that Maliki is facing a “no confidence” vote in the Iraqi parliament…maybe they are going to change leadership over there..

dmac @68

“and the biggest boost to my psyche is harry shearer, who is on the radio right now.”

Harry is to date the only mass media figure to have called “Mini Me” by his proper name: Irving Lewis Libby

BTW, for those folks who haven’t yet bought Glenns’ book: use the link to Amazon on the FDL site. FDL makes a little money if you do.

PLovering @ 87

On Friday last we heard that the Federal Debt. had jumped by whooping $74.2 billion … one of the largest spikes ever. What this number does to inflation, interest rates, banks, housing, and Hedge Funds doesn’t bear thinking about. Certainly, the MSM didn’t think about it over the weekend. Not a peep.

White House “Fairy Tales” pale in comparison to the cover-ups headed our way from the fairies working for Bernanke, Paulson, and the Plunge Protection Team. Perhaps the message finally got though to the Raptures that we can no longer afford this war.

It certainly makes for yet another fracture in the GOP base. The GOP fondness for “free market” deregulation, and subsequent speculation and insane degrees of leverage has a long, long history. Of very, very painful consequences.

“Tax cuts cause increasing tax revenues; in case of priapism, seek medical help immediately.”

Just bought the book. Haven’t read it yet. Soon.

dmac @ 71

and james, i said ‘breeded’ which is not a word, i meant ‘bred’………i am a train of thought person, so words get misspelled…….

I understood completely and admire your optimism.

Big Mitch @ 33 “What makes me so sad about all of this, sad and angry, is that a whole generation is coming up who thinks that this is normal.”

What makes me crazy is that the Bush supporters by and large are fine with corruption and the number of wingnuts who are involved in the massive WH mess including those who wanted Libby pardoned can’t wrap their brains around their own corruption. It’s very scary.

two books in hand, the quandry is posed: which to read first?

A Tragic Legacy or Al Gore’s The Assuault on Reason

I’m halfway through the book and it’s great. Glenn has captured our Idiot in Chief’s black and white view of the world perfectly. The scariest part is that Glenn reiterates what many here have been saying for a long time; Bush under pressure is a bomb waiting to go off. He may invade Iran (or worse) just BECAUSE everyone is moving against him. Read Frank Rich’s latest on Bush’s cowardice for a clearer picture.

The irony is it’s like he’s the suicide bomber now. And taking us all with him :(

here we go again… after living through Bush’s reign, we’re gonna have to do it all over again through a fleet of books. I’ll wait till it’s out on audible.

LS @ 88

GordonM @ 86

Doesn’t pass my smell test. You don’t cancel his trip unless you need Gates “on board” for something more significant than lying about progress :-).

There was a story that Maliki is facing a “no confidence” vote in the Iraqi parliament…maybe they are going to change leadership over there..

The Oil Deal issue also hasn’t been working to the GOP/Halliburton’s advantage. Maybe some sort of military ultimatum is afoot. How convenient the ’surge’ just happens to have peaked.

God, I hope this isn’t ‘war room’ planning for an Iran attack.
(Shut up, brain! Shut up!)
(Then feed me more beer!)
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