I really do hate to think what the world would look like right now if there wasn’t a blogosphere because the only people who are speaking out against Joe Lieberman and his incessant nutjob calls to invade Iran seem to be bloggers. It’s not meant to be blogger triumphalism — there really isn’t anything remarkable about the ability to do so — you just have to wonder what’s wrong with everyone else that they aren’t.
So Lieberman would like us to remain indefinitely in a Middle Eastern country, projecting our forces across the world so as to compete for dominance with a hostile state neighboring Iraq and sharing both a dominant religion and ethnic group. It’s a contest we can’t win. It’s a war, and a bind, Lieberman helped get us into. And it’s gotten so bad that he can’t think of any ways to win it, only to expand it.
I can’t wait to hear Lieberman’s pitch for a) how the military is prepared for another war in the Middle East; and b) how we’ll assemble some kind of international support given the Bush/Cheney/Lieberman track record thus far.
I like that he’s managing to compress what should be a years-long transition from moderate Democrat to psychotic rightwinger into just a few months.
The guy is consistently given cherry platforms on Sunday morning talk shows, cable news and in major op-eds to spread this nonsense and nobody ever makes the point that he’s nuts, or that most Americans think what he is espousing is nuts. Conversely (and perversely), he’s pushed out as the voice of a party he is not a member of, even as he publicly stabs the leadership and castigates major funders as traitors.
Hello, McFly. I know you all ascribe to that “Senate comity” crap but out here in the real world, it strikes us as odd that nobody seems to mention that Joe is bug fucking crackers.
Belligerently trying to irritate those who opposed your re-election is not a foriegn policy.
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Hi Jane.
By “invade Iraq” in the first sentence I think you mean “invade Iran”
AAACK, Lieberman again.
The dude is like having Brussel sprouts for every meal.
And no, I do not like them.
Professor Foland @ 2
You are right, sir. Thank you very much.
And the hits just keep on comin’. Lieberman
They seem to love Joe over at NPR headquarters, too.
I keep e-mailing my Senators (Feinstein and Boxer) asking them to do something abut Holy Joe. Even though I can’t stand Bush, I believe Joe makes me much more angry because he is a traitor to MY party.
I say OUT with him.
{{{{{Jane!}}}}}
I think I probably would have used phrased it as bug fuck crazy but bug fucking crackers seems to work about as well. ;})
Lieberman in that pix at the top. He’s in with the in crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EpsXkdJL3Q
Jane,
I think you are being much too nice to Joe.
Lieberman is just an example of the nutty Islamophobia that had infected the Right Wing of the American Jewish community.
I can never decide if it’s more painful to look at him or to listen to him.
How about just plain needle dick bug fucker.
Bad day to be named “Joe”.
Loo Hoo. @ 11
The worst of both worlds is to see vid’s of him talking!
I’m guessing from this statement that you’re not a registered Republican.
Loo Hoo. @ 11
The voice is much, much more painful than the face.
joe’s certifiable batshit, but he reports for duty carrying neocon water up the hill, and that pleaseth the power elite. reality will bite back, but it takes awhile, and meanwhile “they say tigris, we say hubris…”
Lieberman foreign policy:
“real peace will come to the middle east when only Israel has two tanks to rub together–there’s a lot of countries left to invade”.
My much beloved Senator Levin let me down badly on the matter of Joey Liebermonster — and he should make it right.
Last year I wrote him and asked for him to support Ned Lamont in the election as the winner of the Democratic primary. Senator Levin wrote back and explained that he had to remain neutral because Lierbermonster was a very old friend of his.
Senator Levin, your friendship has gotten in the way of your job. You are either my Senator or Joey’s friend — and only one of those roles should collect a paycheck from the American public.
Frankly, really good friends don’t let their very old friends go bug f*ck crazy and drive off the reservation. They get them help, and when beyond help, they get their own heads back in the game rather than follow their dear bug f*ck crazy friends over the cliff.
Rayne @ 19
Friends don’t let friends vote Republican.
TRex @ 6
I missed it. How’d they smooch him this time?
dakine01 @ 21
‘zactly. What you said, and a bag of chips.
TRex @ 16
High fivin’ the vituperousness contained herein…
I think it’s a good sign the Lieberman has cast in whole-hog with the Republicans. Everyone has to realize about Lieberman that he is only in politics in this point to keep the PNAC war projects going (interestingly, he’s not a signatory). He was on the Democratic ticket to represent the Iraq regime-change wing of the party, and still cares enough to fight for reelection because he wants to see us stay in Iraq and attack Iran; no other issues matter to him. His increasingly partisan attacks on the Democrats mean that he and his — Demo-neocons — no longer have so much influence with the Democratic candidates, that the Democrats now run the spectrum from ISG to full withdrawal, not from ISG to attack-Iran. In this way, Lieberman’s strident, indecorous desperation resembles that of A*P*C at its shriekfest this spring.
Ed*ard Teller @ 21
I’d rather not go into it this soon after lunch.
Listen for yourself here.
Ed*ard Teller:
I read that article and responded on the prior thread. Thanks.
This is not so OT since Liebermans minions are all over this and I suspect he didn’t sign it by request of others.. but could have been instrumental in its creation.
EPU’d
OT from an irate Arkansas Democrat (that would be me). They want war forever!
Pryor is a former gang of fourteen member and calls Lieberman his mentor, is up for reelection next year with no opponent except a green party candidate.. I think its time to listen to Raynes fine comment early in the last thread.
Godfather Kissinger’s latent rage about the loss of his family in Nazi Germany, drives Lieberman’s foreign policy, as well as others. That rage is totally understandable. It is, however, not in the best interest of the world to ride that horse to the rodeo in this day and age.
Geez, what about Lieberman’s social obligations to Levin?
TRex @ 26
Thanks.
Brendan – I replied to your last in the prior thread.
When I view that photo at the top of those three, I think plot, plot, plot.
Hell yes! Wartime powers have a certain appeal to meglomaniacs. And it’s great for controlling the masses.
Well, you know, it’s never considered polite to talk about the crazy aunt in the attic.
(Hope to make it to Live Earth tomorrow, at least for a little while. If so, I’ll keep an eye out for you!)
TRex @ 6
When Bush and Cheney are out of office, the media will be the neocon base of operations, as it was under Clinton. Neoconservatives have gotten power there not through the influence of their scintillating ideas and ideals, they’ve done it through purges at places like: The National Review, The New Republic, the op-ed pages of WSJ and the Washington Post, the tv gabfests (is there some other explanation for the omnipresence of Richard Perle, for example, who has never even held elective office or a cabinet position, in 2002-2003).
Schuster is on Fire!!!!
the conn voters who returned joemoe to the senate must be in agony – but the dems need to pull joe from his chairs as he’s not a dem at this point – its a matter of time til he becomes a repug on record
Just a little nit-picking here, Jane, but shouldn’t “bug fucking crackers” be “bug-fucking crackers”?
Matchless turn of phrase, truly.
Do you think Mr. Independant Democrat Lieberman passes secrets along to some foreign governments?
Is David Shuster taking this guy to the wood shed or what?
WOW!
then there’s Howie Klein’s take on Joe, from late late Nite last night.
(hint: diapers, spanking involved)
Ajami – getting his butt handed to him by Schuster on Hardball!! Go Schuster!!!
Rayne @ 23
I’m slowly working on my best friend. He leans R with a libertarian perspective. I think I’ve gotten him mostly convinced that the current crop of Rs are Nuckin’ Futz. The only problem will be if Senator Clinton gets the nod, then it will be a wasted effort. But even then, I think I’m making a small measure of progress…
more shuster on msnbc please mr abrams!!
Eureka Springs @ 28
Is anybody working on recruiting a Dem? Can you check with the Democracy for America folks in state and check to see whether they are up to drafting somebody with better Dem cred than Pryor? I’d work on that right away.
I’d also start doing a background check on the Green candidate. We’ve had a problem here where Greens run what appear to be protest candidacies, never actually doing the work required to become a contender, while siphoning off votes from Dem voters. This resulted in at least one seat being lost at state level, possibly two; need to check that the Green candidate has filed all papers with state and feds on a timely basis, that there are regular meetings of the committee supporting them and that there are regular fundraising events. Also need to see a website with platform content and eventually literature. If you don’t see these things, you might have a “siphon” in place. (Remember that the Repugs funded a Green in PA to siphon votes off Casey in the race against Lil’ Ricky Santorum, hoping to prop up Ricky.)
Yes!!!!! Smackdown!!!
LS @ 45
Give him his own show…please!!
Cozumel @ 40
Man…a transcript worth quoting!!!
Eureka Springs @ 28
Bob Casey?????? He’s my frickin’ Senator damn it!!!! He’s getting a call first thing Monday morning. I voted for that rat bastard last November and this is how he repays us?
OT dilemma,
We have this hose thingie, a Suncast Smart Trak hose reel, that holds 200 feet of hose. It just broke, after 5 years of heavy use. Taking it apart, I realized that I bought it at Wal Mart, where I haven’t been in a couple of years. I hate Wal Mart passionately. Nobody else carries the thing and it is what I need. What would Jesus do?
I want Lieberman prevented from caucusing with my party.
Wow, did you see Marcy’s post on the woman who left the commission?
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
Cheney you all Ajami…you are an ignorant shill using our country to fight your fricking war.
Damn, Schuster is not letting him weasel out of this…he just rendered his ignorant a** speechless…
Get him!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
Is Reid gonna be at Yearly Kos? If so, someone better ask him about HoJo. And we don’t want to hear the everyone gets along BS either.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Buy it at Wal Mart, be super nice to the clerks, write a large check to charity, and go to confession as soon as you can. It’s an imperfect world.
he reminds me of the cartoon character ‘droopy’
remember him??????
same voice……..same puddin’ eyes.
and i was epu’d-something i’ve wondered for a while, since i do it, want to know why people don’t use the dark side talking points to further what we want when we contact them…….
epu’d=
oh, and am watching richard lugar from last night’s charlie rose…….he packs a lot in a half hour…laying out all of the reasons we can’t stay in iraq……..didn’t know he was a rhodes scholar……
people might want to watch it since he is the one who is spearheading the republican opposition to staying in iraq…..to use his talking points on repub senators when you call or write……….just an idea…….that’s why i read and listen to the dark side……to feed them their own talking points to steer them in the right direction……
i don’t understand why people don’t do this more…….
that’s why i wanted the repub book from ccmask. thanks ccmask………
i have even read limbaugh’s screed……..laughable.
anyway, if you know their sugar, you can gather them and swat them with it.
Schuster: Apologize.
Ajami: No
Fool.
Now, he’s trying to outrank Schuster by “age”. Schuster is slamming him down. I’m not going to let you get away with this… 9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq!!
Bang!
Damn it. I always miss the Shuster moments. Looks like he’s in for Tweety today, so there may be more to come.
Shuster is doing the lifting today.
All right. I have to ask the question. HOW did Gore get matched with this useless pair of sick lips? Wise ones . . . ???
OT — oh jeebus, what fresh hell is this???
Condi is at the AT&T National Open, her mug being interviewed on the Golf channel.
WTF?? Are they trying to sell something to old fogies watching on weekdays??
Dan Burton coming up on Hardball- followed by geek biting the heads off of chickens.
yellowsnapdragon @ 58
It will be on again. This transcript should be posted. Unbelievable. I love Schuster and KO!
GI Joe is another one of these combat hardened deferment troopers who has never been seen in a military uniform.
It’s not about the US, people; not for Joe. He wants our troops there as a permanent bulwark to protect Israel. Wake up.
barbara @ 60
Lieberman was in a different place in his mind then. He’s converted to neoconism since.
LS @ 56
;0)
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Demand they replace it for free. Alternatively, find a Neiman Marcus in your neighborhood — they take returns of anything!
Naargh Nargo @ 65
No kidding.
Unintentional funny from a commercial on MSNBC just now — “Free Scooter guarantee”
made me laugh, anyway ;-)
Schuster sounds almost “shaking” with anger. He’s still going…next guest…
Look out!!!
Bang! Bang! Bang!
Wow!!!
I’ll vote for Schuster!!!
TeddySanFran @ 68
Nordstrom does as well.
Schuster certainly deserves his own show. He has an automatic following. Or should I say, an audience that would follow him anywhere! He’s much better at Hardball than Chris Matthews; at least he gets his facts right! Chris lets people like Andrea Mitchell get away with mis-statements as a matter of course. Schuster should get an award!
dakine01 @ 21
Anyone who would try to stop me from voting for a Republican(/Democrat/whatever) simply because they’re a Republican(/Democrat/whatever) wouldn’t get very far. If they pushed it, they wouldn’t be my friend any longer.
Even as fucked up as the current Republican leadership is, a lockstep party-line attitude toward voting doesn’t do anybody any good, least of all those of us who want real change.
egregious @ 55
Saved! Sears has it!
I was hoping to skip confession this week in this imperfect world – a fragile vessel. Special treat here for {{{egregious}}}
Rayne,
I know of no potential D candidate in the midst re challenging Pryor (not even a Republican yet). And about a week ago Wes Clark started using his email list to raise funds for Pryor (I wrote Wes a wtf letter with no reply yet). I hear very good things about the Woman in the Green Party but have saved your kind notes to use in further review.
Thanks and stay tuned..)
OMG.
Don’t F with Schuster fools. He knows what he’s talking about…Here he goes again…Bang!
LS @ 66
This is a naive view of our foreign policy and politics in 2000. The Clinton administration established the bipartisan policy of “regime change” for Iraq, and most of the Clinton foreign policy establishment supported the invasion (Holbrooke, Ross…). There was already a neocon wing of the party; they just called themselves “liberal hawks”. The only reason Lieberman wasn’t a PNAC signatory was that that organization was Republican associated; he was working to make sure Democrats were on board for an invasion
LS @ 66
So what would Gore say? ‘Cause one of these days, he’s gonna have to, and since Gore’s my guy, I need to know.
Not to mention Shuster is a cutie.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
give it to Lieberman. he’s a broken old hoser.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
I think Jesus would Google “Suncast Smart Trak”…
It’s well past time to ask Joe: if he had to choose, which comes first, America or Israel? Because what’s good for Israel isn’t necessarily what’s good for America.
This Libby thing is not about Bill Clinton, it’s about George Bush. Good Christ!
ET,
Did you write this music? It’s amazing!
I want Dick Cheney impeached.
barbara @ 80
He’ll probably say, what he has said..that Lieberman is a friend.
What Lieberman chooses to believe. is his right to believe. That doesn’t mean that voters will ultimately agree with his position.
Wasserman Schultz (?) needs to discuss the underlying crimes!!!
WOW – is shuster up for bear today – O M G!!! shuster HAS really had it up to HERE!!!go david
I want my party to do the job. I’m weary of your cocktails and your weenies.
GE has just called dan to tell him to calm shuster down i betcha lol
LS @ 77
Yes but both Schuster and Waserman Schultz need to emphasize the continued obstruction by Jr.
edward the teller:
“OT dilemma,
We have this hose thingie, a Suncast Smart Trak hose reel, that holds 200 feet of hose. It just broke, after 5 years of heavy use. Taking it apart, I realized that I bought it at Wal Mart, where I haven’t been in a couple of years. I hate Wal Mart passionately. Nobody else carries the thing and it is what I need. What would Jesus do?”
i am in a small town off the beaten track…….there are certain things only available at walmart here…they are the only game in town except for a FEW stores left here…..my friend wanda drags me there about every three months….i take in the experience, check out who shops there………and make sure to buy the munchie trail mix…..all four kinds……..in the grocery section…….balances out the bad taste in my mouth being there…….and bought a kitty tent hideout for my cats last time, too……they love it……six bucks. they have great pet toys.
last year, my mom needed mulch, everywhere was out, she won’t shop at walmart, neither will my dad, but they usually have a way around it……not this time……..we went to walmart, she bitched and pointed out things the whole time, was hilarious………but she had to admit, like it or not, they are providing what people want. so they shop there.
and why?
as my dad reminds me–the major importer from china…….the importer…..they changed trade in america….they are the only game in town because they manufacture what they sell in china……and sell it here…….one of a kind items……..when everyone wasn’t looking, but my dad predicted it 20 years ago.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Get the gizmo at Walmart and send Howie a greater contribution at ActBlue.
I support Al Gore to be the next president.
Following the ridiculous with the sublimely stupid: Dan Burton, the new “Don’t confuse me with the facts!” Landgrebe.
Shit- no more Burton- bring on the geek- please!
Eureka Springs @ 75
Wes Clark will be at YearlyKos (iirc) and I will ask him about his support of Pryor if given the opportunity. Clark should primary Pryor, not fundraise for him!
The Shuster takes over Hardball and calls out Fouad Adjami for liking Scooter Libby as a soldier in the war equal to any soldier fighting in Iraq, therefore should be protected and treated as a hero. How refreshing to have some truth telling on Hardball rather than the usual partisan propoganda from Tweety. Interesting how the journalists that were there everyday and covered the trial have the same consensus about Libby, and those that were’nt there make up whatever suits their agendas.
Dan Burton agrees with Lieberman. What a piece of work.
I guess I can understand why the Dem senators bailed on Lamont…..but WHY did the fine folk of Connecticut end up sticking with that screechy old Joe-bag??
I just have to say this: I used to think I was one of the most closeted sheltered people in the world with nothing better to do than seethe at all the criminal acts this administration is committing, but it’s nice to see the unerring presence, almost all day long (at least it seems that way to me) of Raven, Kiddo, ET, Hugh, Selise, Scarecrow, Demi, do-si-do, Adie, oddmommy, lhp, dakine01 and so, so many others.
What I’m trying to say is that this is more than just people letting off steam and it has become an effective way of thinking things through without wondering if I’m crazy or not.
And as I’m writing this, my ex calls and starts singing “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” into the phone a la Marilyn. Gotta love her sense of humor and the fact that she’ll always know which buttons to push.
I hung up before the end of the first verse.
Thanks, everyone for making some pretty dark days a bit more bearable.
ET @ 50
There are other places that carry it – I did a quick search via Google, and if you want to replace it, that’s relatively easy.
Another cart, and it’s just a cart, is this one. Probably not what you want, and the price is in second-thought territory, but they’re generally reliable people.
isn’t dan the man with the double standard – it seems i remember a lil sexy bidness in his background so for him to talk about clinton is a tad bit disengenuous i’d say or am i confusing this paragon of virtue with another hmmmm?
“During part of the 1970s and ’80s, Dan Burton was known as the biggest skirt-chaser in the Indiana …”
Mr. Burton should stick to hunting pumpkins.
Dan Burton gives the complete and total creeps!!!
brendan @ 79
There was no “fake” reason at the time to rally public opinion for an invasion of Iraq. That occurred subsequently to the 2000 election. Perhaps Lieberman was always in favor of an invasion, I don’t doubt that at all. I’m saying that at the time, 9/11 was yet to happen, and the false claims of WMDs were yet to happen; his mindset or public expression of his position as a neocon supporting the Republicans was not reality.
oddmommy @ 100
1. Lieberman lied to their faces: “no one wants the troops home more than I do” blah blah blah
2. Rove’s big donors swamped the state GOP electorate with a simple message: vote for Joe.
Dan Burton commenting on Bill Clinton. What a riot.
juslin @ 92
!!
I don’t think Lieberman is at all nuts. His first loyalty is to Israel and he sees it, reasonably enough, as being in an existential crisis. He’s willing to sacrifice the interests of American to use them to defeat Israel’s threats.
Logical enough, but not something I support.
Living well is the best revenge.
Mine only calls when she wants money.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Jesus would walk on the waters, directing them where to go by using his toes, thereby taking Wal-Mart out of the equation entirely.
Of course, if it were me, and seeing as how I’m not Jesus, I’d probably head to Sears.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
He’d go on the toobz and look for the manufacturer’s website or he’d order it through a neighborhood independent hardware dealer thereby keeping his money in his community.
james @ 114
He’d make it rain.
oddmommy @ 100
Remember that besides Holy Joe, CT has given us Nader and the Bush family.
Ed*ard Teller @ 75
Good on ya! My suggestion is to always look everywhere else locally first. If it is not an extreme emergency, then look online for the product.
Only if no one else locally has what you need AND you don’t have the time to wait for the online purchase to be sent, i.e., it is an extreme emergency and you need the product immediately, only at that point do I consider going to Wal-Mart. And then I beg forgiveness of the good Dog/Goddess/Gaia/(insert name of supreme being of your choice here) for having to support them.
1. In light of previous fdl articles, is there any way the Democratic Caucus can CENSURE LiarMan? Just a vote among the caucus.
2. This Wasserman gal is very good. I don’t know much about her, but I like her.
3. Did the good Ms. Hamsher mention…….Joe BENEDICT ARNOLD Lieberman??? Well, well, Benedict, how are you and your good buddy Scoots getting along these days. Traitors of a feather, flock together.
Ghostman
Froomkin on Hardball
my good mr oddmommy used to be a devoted walmartian…..being a nocturnal sort he loved that 24 hour thing. But when it was revealed how callously they f**k over their employees, he went cold turkey……and has been clean ever since. The “only ones that have it” thing HAS been a problem, though.
back to joemoe – he’s doing aipac’s bidding no surprise there – but why dems haven’t called him on the carpet for his repug actions is beyond me
oddmommy @ 100
Lamont got the large majority of D votes in the general election. It was the Rs who put HoJo back in office.
Milbank and Froomkin!
brendan at 78 says:
July 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
This brings up something I’ve had some questions about for quite a while. Why does Armitage continually get a pass on his role in the Plame case? Armitage signed a letter to President Clinton regarding regime change for Iraq and was a neocon. Armitage has also previously been an undercover agent from what I read. He should have known better than to leak the identity of a CIA asset. He should have known better than not to ask her status first. I’ve never bought his chatty Cathy excuse. Why do I seem to be in minority?
james at 101 says”And as I’m writing this, my ex calls and starts singing “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” into the phone a la Marilyn. Gotta love her sense of humor and the fact that she’ll always know which buttons to push.”
geeeeeeez james, what a sick puppy…….at least mine hit the highway never to be heard of again………
tell her to take a pill……
((((james))))
it’ll be ok. really. time passes, things change.
take heart, it’s also the dali lama’s birthday, maybe that’s what she meant………he’s kindof a president………..
I am all for having his punk ass kicked to the curb. Be gone, crybaby.
You might add this to the roll call.
Altitude Drop for Lieberman the Hawk
Harry Reid is one healthy Tim Johnson away from kicking Lieberman’s ass out, but until then, Harry is playing it the smart way by keeping Lieberman in, I hate to say.
When’s the last time Joe went to the doctor? Because every time he opens his mouth it kind of reminds me of Ally McBeal, where Billy started acting all weird and pissing everyone off, but in the end it turned out he had a massive brain tumor. Maybe Holy Joe needs an MRI. Really, I’m worried.
yellowsnapdragon @ 80
He just got married.
my comments have been lost in the mail i guess
How about a Hardball update for those who are not fortunate enought to have MSNBC. Please
Big Mitch @ 126
Lucky lady. I wish Shuster would replace Tweety forever.
I love Jane for the phrase “bug fucking crackers”.
Just once I’d like to hear “With us today is Joe Lieberman, the Bug Fucking Crackers Senator from Connecticut.”
again back to joemoe – he’s doing neocons bidding re israel no surprise there – but why haven’t dems called joe on his repug actions? he’s all but a repug in a dem wrapper
“Only an Idiot fights a war on two fronts ” “only the King of Idiots fights wars on multple fronts” Londo B5 Hope I got the quote right But if we can’t even control Bagdad what makes Holy Joe think invading Iran is a good idea?
Veritas78 @ 83
I think you have no idea how offensive this comment is. I disagree with Joe Lieberman on many, many, if not most issues, even though I voted for him. But to equate his support for Israel with dual loyalty, which is a code-word for treason, is beyond the pale.
If Lieberman loved Israel more than he loves America, he could exercise his rights under the Israeli constitution to move there and become a citizen under the Law of Return.
Shuster! Froomkin! Wow, grownup talk!
dmac @ 124
Now there’s a yin yang cosmic joke, no?
1500 presidential pardons and Leonard Peltier is still in prison.
Thanks for the vibes.
James, was your ex hoping for a bonus on the alimony check?
Juslin 132albert fall @ 125
Sounds good to me…
Bustednuckles @ 3
Actually, I really like Brussels sprouts, properly cooked (steamed then sauteed in butter) they are delicious. However:
My contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
Schuster should get Scarborough’s old slot.
hate to admit, but I actually shook hands with slojoe once. It wasn’t my idea, however! It was at the bar mitzvah of the son of my former boss back in 1999, and I was “introduced.”
Didn’t know a damn thing about him back then…..I was just like, wow, a SENATOR…..
Times’ve changed.
Bearpaw @ 74
Bearpaw, check my comment last thread re: Sanders & Jeffords.
Right now, at this point in time, in virtually all races across the country, if you’re voting for a Republican, you are no friend of mine.
Although I voted Democratic, I wasn’t a partisan until Bush f*cked up this country. I have to be one until Bush, Cheney and their junta are completely removed from office.
And if we should be so lucky after a lot of grueling hard work and a ton of money to get a Democratic veto-proof Senate and a Democratic President, I will work for a third party to prevent the potential for absolute corruption that comes with absolute power. Never again.
oddmommy @ 142
You’ve washed since then, I trust. In bleach.
Cohen woman on Hardball sez no one outside the Beltway cares about Scooter Libby.
No one outside of the Beltway cares about Scooter Libby. Well, I’m outside the Beltway. I wonder how many FDL’rs are outside the Beltway…
Real people don’t care.
I forgot to tell you I’m actually a robot.
Shelly is saying that nobody outside of the beltway cares about Libby’s commutation.
She can’t even say armadillo properly. She needs to get out of her little tiny bubble.
Milbank — Bush made this easier for Americans to understand by commuting Libby’s sentence.
TeddySanFran @ 145
What she means is “no one outside the Beltway cares for Scooter Libby.”
TeddySanFran @ 144
is she a comedian or somethin’?
joe is the judas sheep
the concept was concieved to raise the alarm about this exact man
AnnieW @ 140
Really? How do you know?
Real people sitting in jail for Perjury and Obstruction of Justice, care.
Froomkin — people outside the Beltway care now.
Froomkin — this story won’t go away until the Preznit answers some questions.
LS @ 147
And I’ll be able to tell the truth of THAT statement on Sunday! ;})
They don’t bring up the point that a pardon would open Scooter up to extensive questioning re: Bush/Cheney involvement.
Here is a question the MSM tools will never ask Holy Joe. So Joe do you still support the Clemency of Scooter Libby. ‘yes”. Joe today one of the countries that Valerie Palme was investigating to see if they were trying to build a Nuclear Bomb just exploded one and it wasn’t Iran. However this country hates Israel can you guess which one it is?
LS @ 154
heh, they aren’t even listening to voters… much less fake people like prisoners.
dakine01 @ 156
LOL
Hey Dan Froomkin, if you are checking in here at FDL, nice Hardball debut (?) today! Good to see a thoughtful and informed balance to Milbank’s clubby not-snark.
Loo Hoo. @ 152
No, I’m just wishing out loud, I’m not privy to anyhitng.
He would be great, though.
Who the hell is this Shelly woman? Never heard of her. If she is so sure of what she is saying, why can’t she keep her voice from shaking?
so conn is stuck with joemoe till next senate election – i hope they learned a lesson – next time a pol tells you he’ll honor the results of a primary dont believe it ;o}.
Big Mitch @ 136
Easy, Mitch. I think the problem is that it is difficult for us to articulate the problem we have with A*P*C and L*kudniks. It is NOT that we are anti-Israel. But we are pro-American, and there are times when American — and often global interests — are not in sync with A*P*C and Likud agendas.
And let’s face it, A*P*C and L*kud believe they are pro-Israel, but their policies and platforms have very often cost Israel dearly.
Had Veritas78 expressed their comment more narrowly as a problem with A*P*C and L*kud, would that have made more sense?
Loo Hoo. @ 122
Pleasant end to an otherwise miserable week. Oh, wait………..there’s still more dump time left in the day. ;-)
Maybe Froomkin got the Pat Buchanan seat on Hardball, with Schuster hosting.
Loo Hoo. @ 137
LOL, actually it’s the other way around for us (and I’m not a ball-buster about the money).
Thank God, for our kids’ sake we are on pretty good terms; she takes me to the airport when I have to travel, I stay at her house to take care of the pets when she goes away.
I think our kids are benefiting from it.
juslin @ 132
In a Connecticut for Lieberman wrapper. Not Lieberman for Connecticut, mind you.
OldCoastie @ 150
But seriously folks,
… who the f*ck is she????
dakine01 @ 117
Most hose reels are crap..sorry to say the best one I have seen retail is at Sam’s Club..The thing is built like a tank.
If Joe Lieberman disappeared, would anyone even bother looking for him, I wonder?
Rayne @ 144
let’s be crystal clear here;
the administration and those that support him (neo cons) are NOT republicans, they have highjacked the party
they’ve turned a “small government, fiscal responsible economy, strong military, isolationist, stay out of my private life”
party into;
“biggest government in the history of planet earth, biggest deficit in the history of planet earth, weakest armed forces in generations, get in every country’s faces, and get in everyone’s private lives” party
they are fascists, they are theocrats and though they’ve highjacked the “republican” party and get “republicans” to go along with whatever they say, they are the antithesis
p.s. and what the hell are Lieberman’s loyalties and priorities, anyhow?
Why is it about US and not about HIM??
What channel is Shuster on? MSNBC?
ccmask @ 174
Yes.
ccmask @ 172
yes, for 3 more minutes…
Jeez, Hillary & Bill look really good.
ccmask @ 175
agreed… Bill is finally looking like he has some of his health back…
Cohen — the Libby commutation hurts Hillary.
This woman is mainlining the KoolAid.
Libby stories are “devastating to the Clinton campaign”
wtf?
So the GOP has a new tool and her name is Cohen.
Shelly Cohen, wow, I want to be just like her when I grow up.
Who are these people?
shelley cohen is quite into the drama, isn’t she?
Screen banners:
Is Libby hurting Hillary?
Libby: Soldier or Sinner?
minor point here…….but can the world can this “inside the beltway” shit??
The beltway is just a f******g highway that circles the District. There’s a whole lot of poor people “inside the beltway”, a whole lot of kids with no decent schools; a real population with serious problems and no representation in congress.
“Inside the beltway” should not be used as a buzzword for institutionalized elitism. That’s just more elitist bullshit.
Shelly, Hillary’s brother is up for taking a bribe on a pardon related matter. Hillary is really being hurt by this.
Froomkin, Hillary won’t be hurt, as the anti-Bush candidate she can go far.
oddmommy @ 143
In 1999 who could have anticipated that Lieberman would become a problem?
(You’re forgiven.)
No it isn’t time for Tucker in this house.
james at 138-”Thanks for the vibes.”
you are waaaaaaaaaaay welcome.
LS @ 42
That was one of the most rightous smackdowns I’ve ever seen! LOL
I have to turn the tv off now, Fucker Tarlson is going to explain why global warming is a myth.
oddmommy @ 184
I agree. I wonder what Shelly’s like when she pulls her head out of the collective beltway’s butt.
TeddySanFran @ 155
Ok, now we’re gettin’ somewhere, folks!!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Is your beef really with Wal-Mart, or is your beef really with Congress and the state legislatures that have created the legal framework within which it does what it does? Being angry with Wal-Mart for squeezing every possible cost out of its cost structure, and damn the impacts on its workers and other constituencies, is no more rational than being angry with a lion for eating an antelope — it’s just doing what it’s programmed to do.
If it’s the best product for the job, buy it. If you need to assuage your conscience after buying it, donate the difference between what you paid for the thing you bought at Wal-Mart and what you would have paid somewhere else for the second-best solution to FDL. That’s as close as you’re ever going to get to win-win.
P J Evans @ 185
Who could have anticipated that he would have been elected Vice=president of the United States of America?
Who could have anticipated that the office would be awarded to Dick Cheney anyway?
I didn’t know Scooter was a soldier? Was he an enlisted man or a volunteer, or drafted? Oh, according to his wiki page, he wasn’t a soldier. Am I a soldier?
Big Mitch @ 135
We are calling Joe out because he hides his idiotic support for the war as patrotism (the last refuge of the scoundrel as Twain said hope I got that quote right too). He claims to be defending Israel’s interests and that to critize him is anti Israel. However on a previous comment on this thread I pointed out that Joe by supporting Bush and Scooter will be partialy to blame if any country Valerie was investigating gets the Bomb. If Joe keeps hidding behind the flag and Israel well the best way to help Israel is to knock out Joe’s very misguided patroitism arguments.
james @ 186
“not everyone agrees humans are the primary cause of global warming.” Guess he got a chug of whatever Glenn Beck is drinking. Guy from the “Competitive Enterprise Institute” is on calling Gore a scaremonger. And talking about Al Gore having “family problems, so he’ll need to cut back on his appearances.”
These people are absolute sleazebags. Where’s my remote?
Okay, my teevee’s off now. Hear that, Dan Abrams and MSNBC sponsors?
O.T. But please everyone.Help save the internet by acting to keep the internet neutral. This is urgent and will change everything.
http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq
FYI, Donita is upstairs
ironranger @ 161
Editor or publisher of a New England newspaper. I don’t remember which state. I’ve never seen her before.
Wonder why they always need to have idiots to respond to. I know it’s always been for the purpose of debate, but I’d sure hear debates between people who actually have the facts.
TeddySanFran @ 165
I do love the way your mind works SF Teddy!
ccmask @ 170
Well … maybe Hadassah.
burnspbesq @ 194
MY personal beef is with Walmart. They are a RICO outfit that hires illegals via contractors, discriminates against women, does not work with communities to help small business but seeks to destroy them instead.
And that’s got little to do with anything Congress would regulate or hasn’t already regulated.
ccmask @ 167
We’d all be counting on you for that, cc.
Froomkin had mentioned in a WaPoO chatz recently that he was thinking of taking a dive into talking-headedness. I think today’s Hardball was his debut.
I wonder if Dan will also appear with Keith tonite — that would be a real treat!!
james at 168″LOL, actually it’s the other way around for us (and I’m not a ball-buster about the money).
Thank God, for our kids’ sake we are on pretty good terms; she takes me to the airport when I have to travel, I stay at her house to take care of the pets when she goes away.
I think our kids are benefiting from it.”
GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!
however. the meant-to-be-personal bullshit i would do something about.
perris @ 173
Sorry, until Republicans make a concerted effort to distance themselves from the vampiric neo-conservative movement — in at least the same way that we seek to sever Joey Liebermonster from the Democratic Party altogether — there is NO daylight between the old-school Repugs and the neo-con radicals.
Further, the old-school and the fundies sold themselves out to the neo-cons in order to obtain a majority. If you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Get rid of the dogs, get rid of the fleas, or stay in the same kennel.
perris, you make a really good point about the republican party’s hijacking.
Rayne @ 208
Some W*l-M*rt stores are worse than others. The one closest to me has employees who are surly and a manager who doesn’t care whether the customers come back. It’s also, I’ve been told, disorganized. (Can’t say that I noticed that, but I’ve been in it maybe four times in the last five years, and one of those was to get an umbrella when it suddenly started raining. I’ll go to K-M*rt or C*stC* instead.)
Leiberman is simply suffering from poor treatment at the hands of the tyrannical Conneticut Palestinian overlords.
my comment got f*****d up.
I wanted to say, very well said, Rayne.
Hey ET — if the Sears one doesn’t work out (not in stock, etc.), think about upgrading.
I’m looking at this puppy, myself. Haven’t had very good luck with Suncast in the past.
This one look pretty stout, too, but I don’t know about the additional 20 bucks. Besides, I like the little basket on the other one for nozzles and sprinkler heads.
oddmommy — it’s okay, I think I might have contributed to the screw up; I was editing the comment while you were posting. And thanks.
TeddySanFran @ 198
Automatic click off for me too. Remind me when it’s 4:00, I missed Schuster’s smackdown at the beginning!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 212
707!
C&L has the Shuster vid up ; )
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
things come undone @ 197
It was Abrose Bierce, “The Devil’s Dictionary,” not Mark Twain. More reasoned response to follow. :-)
I want to share with you a take that on Joe Lieberman that most of you will not experience.
When I was about 6 or 7 years old, I told my dad that I would like to grow up and become the President. My dad responded that a Jew could never be elected to the Presidency.
I am not defending my dad’s response. (I try to be more nurturing to my own children, but then again, I am not a combat veteran of WWII who liberated Germany.) Be that as it may, his answer had a profound effect on me. I believed him.
When Joe Lieberman was nominated to be Veep, I cried with joy. I felt for the first time that perhaps Jews had arrived at the place that we can be treated as equals in the structure of Democracy. And the election results confirmed this feeling, to some extent.
I say, “to some extent” because the election was not free from sub silento anti-Semitism. But in the last analysis, Lieberman’s religion did not cost Dems the election. Rather, the Supreme Court gave the election to the Republicans, proving once again that my dad knew more than I gave him credit for.
And, yes, I am still pissed off about the 2000 election. It destroyed my faith in the legal system.
Rayne @ 214
It is odd that it is so hard to find a good hose reel..The one at Sam’s (I’m Sorry) is about $70
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navi…..tem=321271
Loo Hoo. @ 201
Boston Herald. I don’t know if it is a wingnut paper or not. Last I knew it was printed like a tabloid ala NY Daily News or the NY Post.
Fred has some explaining to do:
Thompson, as a lobbyist, took abortion rights assignment
A spokesman for the presidential hopeful denies he did the work, a claim an ex-colleague calls “bizarre.”
By Michael Finnegan, Times Staff Writer
2:40 PM PDT, July 6, 2007
Former Tennessee Sen. Fred D. Thompson, who is campaigning for president as a “pro-life” Republican, accepted a lobbying assignment from a family-planning group to persuade the first Bush White House to ease a controversial abortion restriction, according to a 1991 document and five people familiar with the matter.
A spokesman for the former senator denied that Thompson did the lobbying work. But minutes of a 1991 board meeting of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Assn. show that the group hired Thompson that year.
[snip]
—
Sununu says he never talked to Fred about this, and the group who hired him says if that’s true, then Fred owes them money, because they were told – by Fred – that he had talked to Sununu.
I am going to have to watch Shuster again since I missed the 1st portion. It’s so refreshing. I’ve got my fingers & toes crossed that Shuster will be on every week preferably permanently replacing tedious Tucker. If only.
mitch at 219-i hate to say this, but i remember feeling the same thing………
Cozumel @ 217
Thanks for that link Coz. Great stuff.
things come undone @ 197
We are calling Joe out because he hides his idiotic support for the war as patrotism (the last refuge of the scoundrel as Twain said hope I got that quote right too). He claims to be defending Israel’s interests and that to critize him is anti Israel. However on a previous comment on this thread I pointed out that Joe by supporting Bush and Scooter will be partialy to blame if any country Valerie was investigating gets the Bomb. If Joe keeps hidding behind the flag and Israel well the best way to help Israel is to knock out Joe’s very misguided patroitism arguments.
Anyone who claims that criticism of him or of the President is “unpatriotic” is an idiot. Go after Joe on that one, and I am 100% with you. Defending this war is idiotic. I am with you on that one, too. 100%. Was the war in Israel’s interest? I don’t know. I advocated for deposing Saddam, but not for invading Iraq. This was based on Saddam’s support for Palestinian suicide bombers. Clearly, the way the war has been prosecuted has not been in anyone’s interests except al Qaeda, and if Joe doesn’t get that, he’s a dope. I could go on and on with my criticisms of Joe but why bother spelling it out while Roberts and Alito are on the court, thanks in part to him and his gang of 14.
But Joe is not a traitor. And the accusation of dual loyalty is unfair when applied to the guy I just called a dope. His politics are misguided, and his promise to honor the results of the Connecticut primary was B.S. but that’s different from calling him a traitor.
Shuster was on fire! I wonder if they aregoing to put him in Tweetys catbird seat. Me likey.
ccmask @ 225
This is going to be one of the first times I watch Hardball again on the same day! LOL
dmac @ 224
Why the hell were you talking to my dad?
Big Mitch @ 226
Anyone who claims that criticism of him or of the President is “unpatriotic” is an idiot. Go after Joe on that one, and I am 100% with you. Defending this war is idiotic. I am with you on that one, too. 100%. Was the war in Israel’s interest? I don’t know. I advocated for deposing Saddam, but not for invading Iraq. This was based on Saddam’s support for Palestinian suicide bombers. Clearly, the way the war has been prosecuted has not been in anyone’s interests except al Qaeda, and if Joe doesn’t get that, he’s a dope. I could go on and on with my criticisms of Joe but why bother spelling it out while Roberts and Alito are on the court, thanks in part to him and his gang of 14.
But Joe is not a traitor. And the accusation of dual loyalty is unfair when applied to the guy I just called a dope. His politics are misguided, and his promise to honor the results of the Connecticut primary was B.S. but that’s different from calling him a traitor.
We are all entitled to our own opinions since it is still America. I believe he is a traitor to his party. I believe he is a cheater and an abnoxious liar. I thank god he is not a democrat. Here’s hoping him & Hadassah move to Israel where him, and his loyalties, lie.
Someone please tell me what 707 means.
Sound is off but saw talking spin banner on Tucker’s show-is Britain is denial about Islamic threats or some such gobbledegook.
Mitch: It means falling over backwards lol-ing.
Big Mitch @ 231
Upside down LOL (laughing out loud). 707 means upside down laughing, like leaning over laughing out loud. ROFLOL means rolling on the floor laughing out loud.
LiarMan is a Benedict Arnold. Benedict Arnold was a Traitor. I regard LiarMan as a Traitor. A filthy traitor.
Ghostman
barbara @ 60
Not how. He chose him. Why! Why? The better to Cuban rump rump. The better thus to win in Florida rather than campaign for the vast majority of voters to vote their interests. How’d that work?
Big Mitch @ 219
A substantive number of the people who read and comment at this blog have been told that persons like them cannot win the presidency because they’re female/black/Catholic/Jewish. Hell, I cried like a baby when Geena Davis was announced as the President of the United States simply because it meant that culture in America had finally grown tolerant of the idea of a woman as president.
I think we’ve arrived at a point where ANY solid, upstanding candidate could be president, regardless of race, gender, ethic background…if they only save us from the f*ckups of George Bush.
pj evans-thanks for the thompson link, i keep track of him
mitch-you are lovely………i am a wasp, but have had jewish friends…….family……..and dated an israeli, with whom i am still in touch…….
and 707 means falling out of your chair, with your legs, up in the air, laughing.
Hey Loserman, Take the last train to Zellville and you’ll find that not even the wingnuts are buying that past-sale pile of shit.
jc in OR` @ 236
[kiss] Cuban rump [state] rump, that is
If Joe got his war with Iran, yes, we would win. It would be harder than Iraq, but we would win…
..Now for the tough part – How do we guide the country into security while Iraq and Afghanistan are still in their early stages of security?
What someone needs to do with Joe Lieberman is sit him down and soberly ask him how he would plan for Iran to be stabalized after the war. When he explains this on television, no one will want to go to war with Iran.
I think he’s bucking for the James Stockdale spot on the Bloomberg ticket
Rayne: Did you move into the new house yet? How many boxes of stuff did you move ? :))
Rayne @ 237
This is one of the things that the next election will be about. I hope you are right. However, the polling does not give much comfort. A HUGE number of people (in the order of 30%) say they would not vote for a Mormon under any circumstances. Can you deny that the antipathy towards Senator Clinton is thinly veiled misogyny?
Back to my basic point, though I am convinced that nobody here is anti-Semitic, the language of dual-loyalty is the language that in the past had been used in the service of the worst anti-Semites. That is what prompted my first comment.
I think that Giuliani is the biggest f*ck-up to come down the pike in a long, long time. But if someone says, “I don’t know if I could trust him to not take orders from the Vatican,” I would tell that person to go f*ck himself — for making me defend Rudy.
I’m old enough to remember the dual loyalty argument made against JFK. I would hope that we have evolved, as you suggest. But hope and experience sometimes collide.
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Buy the hose somewhere, fit the fittings on both ends, wrap it on a small tire rim.
Or pay the kids on the block to do so.
My DAWG man, were ya born in the city? ;-)
If Lieberman didn’t keep makin lame arguments about how we need to keep invading other countries in the middle east in order to secure Israel- then perhaps the double loyalty comments wouldn’t arise?
rwcole @ 246
Why hasn’t this putz been REMOVED and barred from the party, or at least his Chairmanship(s)?
Does ANYONE have an answer to that from Pelosi, or any other of the leaders?
I sure haven’t gotten one . . . and I’ve asked . . .
I believe defending Israel is in America’s strategic interests. You are free to disagree: that’s what makes America great. That plus baseball.
But saying that defending another country is a high-order priority is not the same as dual loyalty. After all, we do belong to NATO, a mutual defense pact.
And others have pointed out that it is not just the fact that Joe supports Israel, but rather the fact that he supports the most neo-con elements in their government. That support is fair game for your criticisms. Have at it.
But I am urging you to be sensitive to the language you use, because some words are code for ideas and beliefs that I think you would not want to subscribe to.
Big Mitch @ 244
I think the problem is that we Americans know as little about Israel’s political landscape as we do Iraq’s or Iran’s (cripes, the man with the nuclear football knows less than I do, in this respect). If Americans as a whole had a better grasp on Israel’s politics, we probably could avoid the challenge bound in language.
I’ve personally held A*P*C and the L*kud party responsible, as well as the neo-conservative movement in America. There is no separation between these two groups when one looks at the members and work of the PNAC and the Israeli published white paper that shaped the PNAC’s subsequent white paper Rebuilding America’s Defenses (advocating the use of hegemonic power for a Pax Americana that benefits to no small amount the Likud party’s initiatives.)
As if defending Joe Lieberman was not hard enough, Congressman Dan Burton (R-IN) is fellating Lieberman on Hardball even as we speak, er, type.
LaRue asks:
Beats the shit out of me. However, kicking him out of the party makes the majority too close for comfort. Another Dem Senator could get hit by a mack truck and say hello to Senate Majority Mitch McConnell. After the next election, I hope that the Dems have a big enough majority that they can expel Joe from the caucus, and say good riddance to him.
Am I the only person who suspects that Lieberman is suffering from early dementia?
While a civil discussion can take place on this site, those with an agenda throw up the “R” card (or “A” card, same t hing) to shut up any serious discussion. I doubt if the Democratic Party will take any position other than Hillary’s.
Teresa @ 251
I rather think he’s suffering from being bought.
Or blackmailed.
Take your pick. Neither of them are very pretty options, result in similar cognitive dissonance, and disgust for the so-called “victim”.
Teresa @ 251
NO! We discussed this in a previous thread last week. I think he is showing signs of dementia befitting his age. In the general population 50% of seniors 80 plus years have Alzheimer’s. Reagan showed signs also.
I wish he was just bat-shit crazy, but he’s a manipulative, calculating, lying, sob.
Big Mitch @ 136
You are right: I have no idea how offensive my comment was, or why it was offensive. I’ve read your further comments and I still don’t know why it’s offensive.
May I add that I wonder what the loyalties of Miami’s Cuban-Americans are? Are they Americans, or Cubans? Is that too simplistic?
The entire issue of loyalty cloaks the question of what aspect of a country one is loyal to. I’m loyal to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but not to Bush’s signing statements. Am I loyal to preserving the existence of Israel? Not necessarily — I don’t have a dog in that fight, nor is adherence to the concept of Israel a requirement for being a loyal American.
Our national debate must include these issues, and to bring them up is not anti-Semitism. We have to weigh out what’s best and right for us. I don’t see Iran as the threat that Joe Lieberman sees, and I try to figure out why he is so panicked. It is fair to wonder if his priorities are different from mine, and from many other Americans.
I like the way he shows off to McCain about how high he can raise his arm.
Combat-ready! That’s our GI Joe!
What in the world did Al Gore see in him to choose him as his running mate in 2000?
Folks it’s time to face facts. Joe is conflicted regarding his duty to this country and his love for Isreal. Such conflicts are not that unsual however, check the history of the Bush family prior to WW II.
nothing says nothing, like Lieberman can — compressed for sanity-preservation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw5_EYohDzo
Lieberman warns of an Iraq “dominated by Al Qaeda and Iran” when we all know the outcome will be domination by Iraqi Shiite Arabs who have no truck with AQ.
Lieberman is just a demagogue, and nobody calls him on it.
I want to see the impeachment of Cheney. I want to see the Democrats offer up Joe Lieberman as a compromise candidate to fill in for Cheney as VP. There is NO way that Thompson would get the nod (at least, not if the Dems aren’t Republicrats) so offering Lieberman would be a good thing that the GOP would certainly jump on.
This would eliminate Cheney and all he stands for, all his positions, as formally and officially rejected by the US government AND it would eliminate Lieberman as a force of anything. He is NOT a Dem and his votes in the Senate are objectively and effectively GOP anyway so losing him and letting the GOPer Governor of CT appoint a replacement for him would NOT be a net loss to the Dems in the senate. Lieberman would NOT be able to refuse as it would feed his ego no end. The other plus is that there would be NO way EVER that Joe could leverage this into a (successful) run for President. He would be dead politically and Ned Lamont would be positioned to take his position in the senate.
To end, Jane…I am tickled by your use of the term “bug fucking crackers”. It makes my weekend.
I don’t understand how a politician who has no PARTY and represents NONE…is offered so much airtime, either.
Did Bernie Sanders or any other Independant every get approached for their views so often? If the MSM was really trying to get “a full spectrum of views” shouldn’t they be getting more than “Lieb-All Day, Every Day”?
Big Mitch @ 244I’m old enough to remember the dual loyalty argument made against JFK. I would hope that we have evolved, as you suggest. But hope and experience sometimes collide.
So am I…and JFK soundly dimished those attacks by clearly stating his policies and making clear that he was not running to serve the Vatican or the Pope…but the people of the United States.
I don’t think Kennedy made any effort to take away peoples contraceptives, or impose Catholic ideology on anyone.
Liebermann, however, appears to take repeated actions that ostensibly support L*kud*st/A*P*C agendas. I don’t necessari;y think that what Joe has done has actually improved the security of Israel, though. How could replacement of a fairly isolated secularist regime under strict sanctions be more of a threat than a Shiite one that has a highly radicalized population due to war and occupation (and abuts Iran that has a vitriolic anti-Israeli leader).
“Turncoat Joe” is an Israeli firster plain and simple.
Yes the blogs are willing to tackle Joe but not willing to really address the A*I*C Rosen espionage investigation trial that keeps being delayed. Joe and his Israeli firster zealots are trying their best to have this trial dismissed.
The MSM have barely touched or discussed this investigation trial and most blogs fall into line with the MSM on this critical issue.
Justin Raimando at anti-war.com and Bill and Kathleen Christison at Counterpunch have written some very informative pieces about this critical issue.
cinnamonape @ 264
JFK did not have dual citizenship as Liebermann does. Also JFK was one of the last Presidents to stand up to the Israeli lobby (he demanded that Israel sign onto the non-proliferation treaty and open their doors to inspections) go to the International Atomic Energy Agency Website (IAEA) to find more info about this issue. He was murdered and the only other President to attempt to stand up to the lobby was Carter we was ousted.
Veritas78 @ 256
Veritas 78 Good for you for not being afraid to question and bring up this issue . (it is almost a guarantee that you will get hammered) I grandparents came from France, Poland, and Ireland I do not support these countries if they are breaking UN resolutions and occupying other peoples land,( question my own country the U.S. for being in violation of Un resolutions) why not Israel? Why not question all of our leaders including Liebermann on this unbridled support of Israel no matter what they do.
If any other country (Ireland, Poland, Russia) had “allegedly” been involved in receiving classified intelligence about Iran from Polish, Irish or Russian lobbyist and this classified intelligence was handed to Polish, Irish, or Russian officials the news coverage on this would be astronomical. Yet we hear or read very little in the MSM or the so-called “liberal” blogs about this ongoing investigation and delayed A*P*C Rosen espionage trial. You have to search far and wide for info on this issue.
Did anyone see or hear much coverage on the 50 Jewish groups that recently met with the Bush administration? I had heard that the press did not have access. Would we not question this if this had to do with any other lobbying group?
Hagel has called Liebermann out on the carpet several times. Hagel has been one of the only Senators to bring up the Israeli Palestinian conflict and how our support for Israel no matter what they do is a persistent problem in the middle east.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..lieberman/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..arsonists/