It’s a holiday. The Padilla trial is not in session, but if the prosecution wanted to identify a better expert on terrorism than Pentagon-puppet Rohan Gunaratna who testified last week, they would spend the time off reading Jessica Stern’s astonishing 2003 book Terror in the Name of God – Why Religious Militants Kill.
Let me try to tell you about Jessica Stern. Jessica Stern is a rare intellectual, a Harvard professor who has gone to the most dangerous places in the world to meet with and try to comprehend terrorists.
A few years ago she sat down to supper in the home of Michael Bray, “the intellectual father of the extreme radical fringe of the anti-abortion movement, a movement that murders doctors who perform abortions and bombs abortion clinics. Stern has, as well, supped in Gaza City with Dr, Abdel Aziz Rantissi “one of the founders of Hamas and a member of the executive committee under house arrest at his home in Gaza.” Over a period of several years she did exactly what journalist Daniel Pearl did–only she survived.
Stern differs significantly from other terrorist profilers in her enormous capacity for empathy, believing that comprehending evil doers is better than demonizing them. As she breaks bread with a Hamas-trained suicide bomber, she comes to truly understand (as does the reader,) his twisted, distorted but now recognizable rationale for the murder of innocent women and children. Stern finds ways to communicate with terrorists, the foot soldiers as well as safe and secure leaders living in Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, India, Pakistan, Texas and prisons in Florida and Virginia. She guides us to empathically understand how their religion blocks out fear and uncertainty, the depth of their alienation, how their humiliation destroys their very souls and drives them on the paths to martyrdom and murder.
Each time the United States responds to terrorists with massive violence, they create, Hydra-like, more recruits, more terrorists to take their place. “The terrorism we are fighting is a seductive idea, not a military target,” says Stern. But fight we must in a different way than invading countries, Stern advises, for she is a realist as well.
“Just as Al Qaeda and the International Islamic Front have emphasized penetrating, we need to penetrate them. Whenever and wherever possible, we should be sowing confusion and dissent among Al Quada and its franchise. We need to become as savvy at psychological warfare as they are. This too requires covert action, not armies. Ity requires emphasizing human intelligence and signals as much –or more–then satellite imagery, and hiring intelligence agents who speak the local language and are willing to face risks.”
The deciders in the Bush administration have chosen to ignore Stern’s advice with a strategy that promotes terrorist growth and strength. Our present course has resulted in children, on the streets and alleys of Gaza, daily engaging in “pretend” – they vie to see who will become s‘haheed, a martyr, a hero whose family will be rewarded by Hamas $5,000 in wheat, flour, sugar and other staples.
January 20, 2009 can’t come soon enough.
(with Rachel Koch)
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Hiya!
Lew!!!
Loo Hoo at 3
Hey!!!! ;-)
God bless ya, Lew and Rachel!!
Ah, but Lew, empathy means perceiving the “terrorists” as humans who just might have some valid arguments. Demonizing them makes it far easier to trivialize their arguments and claim the righteous banner of the Lawd is on our side!
james at 5
Many thanks, james, truly
Hopefully the change will take place in 2007, Lew. Can we really afford to wait until January of 2009?
Short Stern: Kill them with Kindness, not Munitions!!! Mahalo, Lew! (And Rachel!)
I have great respect for Jessica Stern. What bravery mixed with empathy. Highest regards.
dakine01 at 06
See, you understanding the different between empathy and sympathy. Sympathy is cheap. It is distant. Empathy requires you to understand — not agree — but find someplace within yourself that
allows you to nod, to say that it is not foreign to me.
Loo Hoo at 10
I CANNOT believe I hadn’t “discovered” her before this! I keep kicking myself in the ass.
Lew Koch @ 11
Something this entire administration, from top to bottom, does not have.
I cannot help but think if we had dealt in an even handed manner with the Israeli-Palestinian situation a long, long time ago, then perhaps we would not find ourselves where we are today. Who knows, maybe ‘9-11′ would have never happened either. And I realize our chumminess with Arab dictatorships (Egypt and Saudi Arabia, etc.) played major roles in Arab hatred for America too.
lew, i am epuing something, which i hate when people do, really i hate it when people do it, but i am , because i am struck by the aspect of seeing where other people come from, and using it………..i totally don’t understand why people don’t learn from the other side……to create dialogue……..to learn……i’m flummoxed, completely……..thanks for your post.
epuw-
am watching richard lugar from last night’s charlie rose…….he packs a lot in a half hour…laying out all of the reasons we can’t stay in iraq……..didn’t know he was a rhodes scholar……
people might want to watch it since he is the one who is spearheading the republican opposition to staying in iraq…..to use his talking points on repub senators when you call or write……….just an idea…….that’s why i read and listen to the dark side……to feed them their own talking points to steer them in the right direction……
i don’t understand why people don’t do this more…….
that’s why i wanted the repub book from ccmask. thanks ccmask………
i have even read limbaugh’s screed……..laughable.
anyway, if you know their sugar, you can gather them and swat them with it.
Lew Koch @ 12
This has become the number one yoga posture … the proper name, IIRC is, WhyTheFuckDidIVoteForBushTwiceAsana … *g*
(bold mine)
Oklahoma kiddo at 14
These are such difficult issues. Dictatorship are easy to despise. The Israeli-Palestinian issue to so extraordinarily difficult. Which is why I hold Stern in such awe. She has managed that were so many have failed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
OBL’s main gripe with America was the stationing of troops in the Holy Land (Saudi Arabia)! Even if the Palestinian-Israeli issues had been resolved, I still think Saddam would have invaded Kuwait, which led to Pappy stationing troops in SA!
GOP defections on Iraq: Who’s next?
Voter pressure building against lawmakers standing with Bush on the war
Potential wildcards include members up for re-election who have broken with the president on other issues such as immigration or who face growing anti-war sentiment in their home states. Those include Sens. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Ted Stevens of Alaska, Pat Roberts of Kansas, Michael Enzi of Wyoming, James Inhofe of Oklahoma and Jeff Sessions of Alabama.
Petrocelli @ 16
Dang, Petro, you’re an early-riser today!!! *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Elucidate further, please. What would have been an even-handed way to deal with the Israeli-Palestinian situation in 1948? In 1968? In 1999?
IIRC, 9-11 happened (according to the perpetrators) because U.S. troops were in the Holy Land of Saudi Arabia.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Ted Stevens doing something patriotic ? He must be trying to score points for his imminent trial.
Lew (and Rachel),
Glad to see you posting this week, in spite of the recess. I’ve grown to look forward to your writing here.
Each time the United States responds to terrorists with massive violence, they create, Hydra-like, more recruits, more terrorists to take their place. – I’m beginning to think that people like Cheney actually know that, have known that all along. But the ‘why would they then do that’ remains unanswered in my mind, and – in spite of what some here might think of me – I’m not about to put on a tinfoil hat on this one.
i would sit down with them, and find out what they are about……….why is this not pro-batim…….
CTuttle @ 20
Hey CT … I’ve been in and out of FDL all day … how ya doin’?
I thought you’d ask me what’s (Cheney’s poodle) Russert’s favorite yogasana … downward dog !!! *g*
Oklahoma kiddo at 19
Maybe it’s far too early (It’s never too early start worrying, and also worry that there will be nothing to worry about,) but what if the Democrats have a killer victory, something on the order of Johnson over Goldwater. Will that — can that majority reverse the eight years of unconstitutional acts of the Bush Administration, or would the new majority be more interested in consolidating power in order to keep in, keeping themselves in power for power’s sake.
Petrocelli @ 22
He’s in denial. He still thinks he’s going to be running in 2008, and Alaskans are turning against the war quite rapidly now.
If it was right to give a homeland and dignity to the Jewish people in 1948, then why was it not right to afford the same things to the Palestinians a long time ago?
In A Tragic Legacy Glen Greenwald paints a picture of an administration driven at its core by a very similar radical fundamentalism, although the causes of the Bush administration’s certainty of inerrancy may differ.
I don’t think there’s a more difficult situation to resolve politically than a stand off where each side is convinced of their righteousness. It’s why I have little hope of any change or improvement in Iraq, terrorism or even the domestic economy until Bush and his inflexibilities are out of office.
I have some trepidation about how much worse things will be by that time.
Don’t hold your breath.
OT – so sorry to interrupt Lew,
Just finished Hardball 7/6/07, going into KO and I think I feel the first drip, drip, drip of joy.
Nothing… nothing like a free press, even for a couple of hours.
How many Repugs are gonna be aping Kerry … “I was for the war before I was against it” …
sadly, they’re blaming the Iraqi Gov’t and not Bush’s awful plan.
More compassionate conservatism hard at work.
Petrocelli @ 25
Dare I ask the manner of posture???
Thanks
Jessica Stern is a rare candle in this darkness.
Boston1775 @ 31
Ditto !!! I loved every minute of Schuster’s new show … are you listening, Abrams ?
KO on fire talking about impeachment
Wes Clark on KO,
The country is not quite there on impeachment. It is time to bring our troops. Bill Odem is right.
Keith, how does the admin keep having the talking points on this.
WC, this admin does not support the troops, only their plan.
CTuttle @ 34
tee hee … we’d both be banned from FDL … *g*
Lew Koch @ 26
Well now that is the question. Isn’t it? Some argue that in this respect there is no light shining between the two parties. And some argue that there ought to be more political parties. And some advocate public financing of elections to help overcome this situation.
Clark on KO, Rumsfeld said it best, we went to teh war with the army we had, not the one we wished to have.
Admin refusing to use diplomacy.
KO, do the origins of who wants out have motives?
WC, not great strategic thinkers, they’re politically motivated (Doolittle et al)
clio at 29
I’ve seen this done before but a replay of some of Bush’s “debate” statements seem — almost reasonable, even handed etc. But the transmogrification to his actions — with Cheney’s monster-like behavior — one has to took to what Glenn Greenwald talks about– a radical fundamentalism, a millennium-ism that is not subject to reason.
ok kiddo- i keep tellin’ ya………palestinians; no money, no prospects, no law to rule……….sad truth taught to me by my dad……..sadly, true. their only asset is farming, and that is being taken away as we talk….life by farming….when has that ever won? even in america.
Clark should have said, “This administration does not support American Troops, or they would have sent them with proper gear, armored vehicles and a plan to win the peace. Our troops should be home with their families, not sitting ducks while Bush’s friends make Billions every day on a perpetual war that was provoked by Cheney’s lies !”
Big Mitch @ 30
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19637473/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
Assuming you mean “a homeland for the Palestinians other than TransJordan, which country was overwhelmingly Palestinian,” the answer is obvious.
The Palestinians would not accept one if the cost of doing so was to live with Israelis in an adjacent country. I speak, of course, of the Palestinian leadership, which IMHO has consistently failed to represent the Arab man or woman on the street.
I believe — though it might be my naivete showing — that the average Palestinian would have been willing to live in peace with Jewish neighbors. But that was 60 years ago, and a lot has happened since then. Much of it has radicalized the Palestinians and from time to time a radicalized Jewish faction gains control in Israel.
Jeffries-Vet leader-says our soldiers are idling in the kill zone.
Keith, army is asking soldiers to prove that they have a reason to have PTSD.
Jeffries, there is nowhere to get away from the danger, even in the green zone. Every day there is danger. Everyone in place for PTSD.
Kos has something up on defunding. We’re getting closer on that, but the “support the troops argument” stills sells. How about an initial push to defund something that will cut the legs out from under Bush/Cheney – independent military contractors(Blackwater). I’m not at all familiar with the exact mechanisms of appropriations,etc…, but is there a way to specifically target this group and stop putting money into their hands? It’s an easy sell and a good start, no one risks losing their seat if they push to have Blackwater defunded.
Big Mitch @ 30
Um … actually I am a yoga/meditation teacher, and holding my breath is one of my specialties … *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
Oh, he might switch, but it will be for self-interest, not patriotism.
Jeffries, soldiers are given Motrin and put back in the fight.
IEDs cause overpressure, and it shakes the brain. If there is no blood, they go right back to combat.
Petrocelli @ 32
True, setting aside the fact it was wrong to even invade Iraq, Rummy and Wolfie’s doing it on the cheap, has amplified the costs in both lives and currency to ridiculous levels! If Shinseki and others had been heeded, virtually all of the problems would have been addressed early and often! The infrastructure would not have been vandalized, pockets of resistance would have been neutralized, the Iraqi armories would have been secured… *g*
Look, can we just get over this once and for all: the ‘twisted, distorted’ rationale of a ‘Hamas-trained suicide bomber’ is no more sinister than the twisted, distorted rationale an American Christian father nonchalantly telling his kids over dinner that we need to drop bombs on Iran or step up the waterboarding.
Some Muslims in the Middle East thach their children it’s OK to kill Americans and/or Christians.
Some Christians in the USA tell their kids it’s OK to kill Muslims.
But in the second case, it’s not considered shocking or evil, because it’s US killing THEM, and not the other way around.
Until our collective consciousness exceeds the intellect of a 3-year-old and we all finally realize that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, we will be at war.
The accompanying pic is pure propaganda. “Look what ‘THEY’ do to their kids!”
‘WE’ do the very same thing. The very same thing.
dmac @ 43
This is really complicated, but the Palestinians have been betrayed time and again by their own leaders. Arafat said that he would support the deal that Clinton brokered with him and Ehud Barak, then inexplicably backed out, throwing up some inane excuse that was previously resolved.
Big Mitch @ 46
I wish everyone would stop thinking it was a good idea to use the word “homeland”. Just because Bush and his Madministration decided to use Hitler’s playbook for the US of A doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.
/End rant.
Jeffries, soldiers are given Motrin and put back in the fight.
IEDs cause overpressure, and it shakes the brain. If there is no blood, they go right back to combat.clio @ 29
That’s why I have the highest regard for Jessica Stern. The only possibility of fixing this mess.
boxer,
I have often thought if in fact we draw down in steps that the first full step should be the removal of unaccountable, incredibly expensive, paid militia, which might help assure they in fact do leave at all.
Big Mitch @ 50
If it helps to bring our soldiers home, I don’t care about the motivations.
Lew that’s an amazing photo. Do you know what his headband says?
VictorLaszlo @ 53
Absolutely right !!!
My grandma told me long ago, it takes two to fight.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
Isn’t it because they want the very SAME piece of land? They’ve both been there since the days of Abraham, and rarely have all the groups there gotten along. That’s about 3500 years of squabbling over the same dry hills.
Jessica makes clear that what we see in others is also within ourselves. The only difference is that we do not choose to act on it or consume ourselves with it. We search within ourselves for another path. But who knows what any of us would do given the right circumstances at a particular moment in time when all the forces come together.
It is much easier to reduce another to “evil” to elevate myself to “good” and there we are – either/or. It’s all in a neat little box one marked “I’m right” and the other marked “you’re wrong”. Now we’re ready for foreign policy.
I was in conversation with two other people, one an elder Quaker and the other like me, exploring all the possibilities out there. He says that what he liked about Quakers was that they are nonviolent. To which the elder, wise Quaker replied, “Oh, Quakers are as violent as anyone else. We practice nonviolence.”
transmorgrification. There’s one hell of a word, Lew. Please explicky!
Big Mitch @ 46
Well, in ‘48, maybe purchasing people’s farms rather than taking them by force of arms and force of law might upset people less.
The fact that there are some people of my race or tribe over the next river would mean nothing to me with respect to your taking my farm.
Point of Privilege
There are three books on the subject that should be included on anyone’s reading list dealing with the radical Manichean thought that has been driving this nation’s behavior to the outside world as well as to its own citizens, at least those who disagree with them.
Like I said in the column –Stern’s Terror in the Name of God, Glenn Greenwald’s A Tragic Legacy and to see how deep and how many centuries this belief system has been from the Jewish and early Christian apocalypic groups through the centuries, Norman Cohn’s The Pursuit of the Millennium.
OT It’s the end of the week and I thought I would recap the situation in oil and gas that look to be in flux.
Gasoline:
National Average for Regular Gasoline (Retail) $2.952
National Average for Regular Gasoline (Wholesale) ~$2.40
Gasoline future $2.3096
Crude oil:
Dated Brent Spot (World benchmark) $77.10
WTI Cushing Spot (American benchmark although less so) $72.81
This is a complicated picture. The retail price of gasoline actually went up today something it hasn’t done for awhile. Wholesale prices have been going up, and the resulting differential between wholesale and retail prices has narrowed to more traditional levels. Gasoline futures have also been inching up and are now at mid-high levels. On the other hand, gasoline inventories were unexpectedly good last week up 1.8 million barrels. Still it appears that declines in gas prices are at or near an end.
At the moment, beyond the usual manipulation in gas prices, it is high crude oil prices that are supporting higher gas prices. What is unusual about this is that there are no particular reasons for the high benchmark oil prices, certainly no drivers (hurricanes, wars, etc.) that justify the current levels. There’s the usual background noise of instability but nothing special and nothing that has actually affected the flow of oil. And supplies remain generally good. So whereas early in the year, the story was refineries and gasoline, the mid-summer picture revolves around crude oil. In the absence of speculative pressures and supply constraints, I tend to suspect either manipulation or some subterranean change in oil market fundamentals.
sorry to go OT, via Washington Monthly:
greenwarrior at 59
I have no idea about what the headband reads. Sorry
boxer @ 48
And all the others of that ilk.
QuakerGirl at 62
What a beautiful,insightful story.
greenwarrior @ 55
Dead on greenwarrior. Nationalism and sovereignty will have to disappear if we are ever going to have lasting peace. Nation states exist primarily for war.
boxer @ 48
I totally agree. Why are we bleeding our military by financing mercenaries? We train them for 6-8 years, then they leave our military for 4-5 times the salary. This is one of the scariest of all the neocon/corporatist moves.
Petrocelli @ 49
Okay, but can you beat the guy coming up on KO? 10 minutes…
Loo Hoo at 60
transmogrification means change from good to terribly, wickedly bad.
Lew Koch @ 65
I’d add In God’s Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest by David A. Neiwert.
QuakerGirl @ 62
Nonviolence is a difficult concept to understand in a world where there must be winners and losers.
Even followers of Gandhi did not understand the power of nonviolence.
The Repugs pooh pooh this as pacifism, but there is a world of difference … off to water the plants, see you all on Late Nite !
Thanks for the great post, Lew … we need more stories like this to show there are many intelligent people in the ME and their problems can be solved with more dialogue and less weapons.
Perhaps we all should just book a vacation to Gaza.
Victorn Laszlo,
We all try …
How dare you equate us with the Muslim terrorists. Ours is a country that was founded on the Fourth of July by means of a document that set forth our grounds for breaking with the British Monarch, to wit, inter alia:
Don’t you know that whenever we drop a bomb from a B-1 bomber the bombardier is instructed to pray that no women or children are harmed by it?
Petrocelli, It’s not just nonviolence, it’s coming to terms that one size does not fit all. I often tell my right wing friends that I’m not like them because I can see both sides of the issues..
Ed*ard Teller at 75
Just ordered it
JPL @ 79
Exactly … when you walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, enmity falls by the wayside, ergo … nonviolence …
Even after my righteous comment I will add one thing, I couldn’t sit down with Michael Bray.
Petrocelli at 76
I’m not a pacifist nor I think is Stern.
Hamas gets a lot of mileage out of its rewards. (I understand that part of Hamas’ mileage comes from a perceived alignment with religious ideals.) Nonetheless, the money the United States already spent on the Iraq War (i.e. no even counting the long-term liabilities) could have simply been used to pay this much to more than 80 million families in the Middle East. Religious precepts or no, Hamas simply can’t compete on that scale.
If you’re going to spend half a trillion dollars, it’s your responsibility to use it most effectively. It’s hard to imagine that, imaginatively done, engendering $5,000 worth of gratitude in 80 million Middle-Eastern families would not have been a much greater contribution to American security than the Iraq war.
Hell, I bet even Rumsfeld could find a way to distribute this money “on the cheap” and only give $2000 to 20 million families, and we’d still be a lot better off, security-wise, than we are today.
(For scale, there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-5 million households in all of Iraq.)
Loo Hoo. @ 73
I can hold my breath for 45 minutes … next question … *g*
BTW Loo Hoo, who is coming up on KO … I’m Tivoing KO to watch later …
JPL at 82
I would say I would have difficulty sitting down with any of the people did — even as a reporter. I came close several times — Birchers and the like but never with anyone as extreme as the people she conversed with.
Lew Koch @ 74
No, it just means change of form as in the Irish story of the Silkie (seal or mermaid) turning into the maiden (alluded to in the first chapter of Joyce’s Ullysies).
Prof., Your right. Both Hezbollah and Hamas do good deeds when nobody else will. It’s difficult to explain to Americans that this hospital was built by… Because of MSM they just don’t see that side.
The Encyclopedia Britanica says, the people of Canaan (Palestine) were “fainthearted in the face of the Israelite tribes.” The conquest of Canaan by Joshua and the Israelites was “swift and decisive.” Homes were razed, people were displaced. And human life was ended. Sound familiar?
Lew Koch @ 83
I agree, there are few pacifists but there are many intelligent people like you and Jessica Stern
who see that a peaceful solution is really the only kind that lasts.
Continued success Lew … looking forward to your next post.
Thank you for calling my attention to Jessica Stern and her book.
JPL at 87
I stand corrected. The usage comes from the way Norman Mailer used the word — but you are absolutely correct and thanks.
We don’t have a presidential candidate that will really tackle the Middle East because of the amount of money (lobby) that Israel gives. Israel deserves to live in peace but that won’t be possible until we have a Palestinian state. Quagmire huh. imo
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
I think you’re on to something! What if 10,000 Americans asked for a chance to visit all at the same time?
boxer @ 71
Hitler used the term Fatherland, and Bush’s Homeland (as in Homeland Security) is vaguely reminiscent of it. However, it is among the least of the things that identifies Bush as a fascist.
In the case of Israel, the use of “homeland” is perhaps a special case. A people — the Jewish people — had just barely survived a genocide and many think that it might not have been so tragic if they had a country to call their own.
And so, the State of Israel was reborn in the land where Jews had continually lived for 2000 years, and to which observed Jews turned to pray 3X a day.
JPL @ 93
… and until neighboring Arab states guarantee Israel’s security …
I’m a pacifist. That is unless someone were to try and occupy my country, kill my women, my children, the old, the sick, and steal my country’s resources.
observed=observant
Lew Koch @ 92
hey!
JPL & WRB ain’t the same :-)
I have a homeland. Oklahoma. It means home of the red man and woman.
Hi, What is the source of that photo? It’s quite powerful and I’d like to find out more about it. Thanks.
Lew, You have been doing amazing posts on Padilla and I have to thank you again. MSNBC.COM has an article tonight on privatizing of prisons and the slums they have become. Since I live in Ga my friends tend to have a hang em all attitude, but my ex husband shared a story about seeing a prison in Germany that looked more like a small village. They actually tried rehabilitating the inmates. It’s less expensive and better for all.
wrb
I am soooo sorry
Big Mitch @ 95
But the Nazi’s used nationalism to accomplish the genocide in the first place.
Petrocelli @ 85
Professor Foland @ 84
Now that puts things in perspective quite nicely.
JPL ay 102
Thank you. I appreciate what you said.
Loo Hoo, I’m the one without MSNBC on my cable, it’s third tier.. I do have two PBS stations though, but I could never figure out how they do ratings comparing Fox, CNN and MSNBC since more viewers in Atlanta only receive two. I love your updates..
Professor Foland at 84
It’s also an idea Milton Friedman would have appreciated. He delighted in exploring where all the tax dollars from legalized drugs could be spent.
ok, it’s the dali lama’s birthday………
what would he say?
really?
i have a dali lama daily calendar that my sister buys for me every christmas, keeps me in check.
really, if he commented here, what would he be saying?
and how would you respond?
dmac at 110
He might suggest that Richard Geer get a new agent.
dmac @ 110
I dislike being flippant but after the last week, he might be blessing his curses also..
wrb @ 87
Kinda like the metamorphosis I go through in the morning?
boxer @ 104
I am not sure what you are saying. If you are equating Israel’s conduct with genocide, well, I don’t think I can carry on a civil conversation with you. You have had too much lemonade. If you are commenting on the fact that excessive nationalism leads to genocide, and therefore, we have much to fear from King George the Codpiece, well maybe we can find common ground.
There is a difference between patriotism (a virtue) and nationalism (a vice.) Please accept that there are Israeli patriots who want to live in peace, as I accept the fact that there are Palestinians with a proud heritage and peaceful ambitions.
There are many Israelis who do not agree with their government’s policies toward Palestinians.
lew at 111
hilarious, but what would he be really saying?
dmac @ 110
Probably what he said on Larry King shortly after Hurricane Katrina. I remember that LK had the fucking gall to do a split-screen “debate” (yeah, I know, wtf?) with the fundie pastor of some midwest mega-church talking about all the entirely commendable things his church members were doing, sending clothes, money, etc. And Larry King then turns on the Dali Lam, and said “and what are *YOU* doing? The Dalia Lama then said “I am praying for them”, after which Larry King treated him completely like shit.
And that was the last time I ever watched Larry King.
FYI, new thread
Lew Koch @ 103
I am soooo happy.
Loo Hoo at 113
The New American Heritage Dictionary of the English language says
to change into into a different shape or form, especially one that is fantastic or bizarre.
I was reading “bizarre” as so far from a normal change as to be almost evil. Hadn’t looked the word up for a long time and I’m sorry as hell I used it as many times as I did — the wrong way. There must be one word that means what I wanted it to mean, but I can’t think of it. Suggestions to my Gmail, please.
JPL @ 108
Okay, I’ll report, JPL. I can’t watch much, but I love KO and I watch Hardball for Schuster. Hope Schuster gets a permanent spot.
Thank you – once again – Lew & Rachel!
jayt-i love you for that.
Elliott at 122
We say thank you
Big Mitch @ 114
I am most certainly not equating Israel’s conduct with genocide. My point is that unchecked nationalism leads to death. I think there is an extremely fine line between patriotism and nationalism, and you (collective) don’t know when that line is crossed until it’s too late. Therefore, I’m not so sure how virtuous it is. I think a world view that sees each person as a child of God (or something similar), with equal value is a better way. I hate the arguments the Repubs make about “if we don’t fight them in Iraq, we’ll have to fight them here” – works great if your an American, not so good on the Iraqi women and children. Again, nation states exist primarily for war.
Hugh @ 66
The current “raison du jour” is the kidnapping of the child of a British petroleum executive’s kid by Nigerian rebels.
The whole oil price thing is a game with the speculators pushing up the price if someone farts the wrong way.
Of course our oil companies love it because they can get more from everything from their crude to the refined stuff.
“I think a world view that sees each person as a child of God (or something similar), with equal value is a better way. ”
So, we pretty much agree on what we are saying. In my own religious tradition we express it thus:
When God created all of the animals, all of the birds, and all of the fish he created them all at once. But when it came to creating man, he created only one. Why? So that no man could say that his ancestors were better than yours.
hi lewis
ive been around the lake since jan, but this is my 1st time responding to one of your pieces.
i just had to say thank you. this is the type of information that can’t be talked about enough. i have been advocating for years that the american government and/or corporations should somehow be providing computers that are internet ready & wi-fi equipment to as many areas as possible that breed young terrorists in trainning, convinced that once these young ones got a taste of the wide world, the world their terrorist trainers describe would loose its flavor.
and the picture broke my heart.
thanks again – i will direct others to this post.
best~
There was an interesting article in ATlantic Monthly recently, the gist of which was that the Saudis have a rehabilitation program for terrorists. In includes but is not limited to a program of education with mullahs who teach the terrorists that violence is anti-thetical to the faith of Islam.
I hope I’m not breaking netiquette too much by reposting my question: it’s just that I’d really like to find out more….What is the source of that photo? It’s quite powerful and I’d like to find out more about it. Thank you!
Big Mitch @ 21
Would that have been someone who was on the airplanes that crashed into buildings and burned to death?
The acts of 9/11 seem to have made jihadists happy. But, the details of who did what and why are yet to be discovered in full.
Were the names of the FBI’s 9/11 attackers actually on the airplane manifests? Did anyone see them board those planes? Why is ObL not on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list for 9/11?
I know it’s hard to ignore all the propaganda, but we must remain open-minded about 9/11.
Lew Koch @ 17
After reading The Great War for Civilization and Beyond Chutspa(sp?), a picture emerges that dispells this perception of extraordinary difficulty. It is as if there is an interest that promotes the idea of irreconcilability to further its own ends and profits. Another book, available in Europe, written by an Irish solicitor, Lies in a Mirror, (available Amazon.co.uk) completes the loci of necessary perceptions, illuminating as it does the relationship between lies, crime, and the mindset that is associated with fascist mentality.
The I/P conflict is made intractable because of the falsehoods, mainly from the Israeli perspective but the Palestinian have a share as well. Get rid of the selfserving lies of Zionist foundation history and working with what remains, solutions are to be found; as long as lies remain, no agreed solutions are to be. Neither side will countinance the lies used by the other. The most recalcerant side uses the greater share of lies and cannot maintain the continuity of their myths, positions, and identity without the lies. Every failure to reach accommodation has foundered on the insistance of acceptance of the others lies and will continue to do so, no matter the cost in blood or lives lost. Recognize and neutralize the lies, solutions are there.
This is way EPU’d, Hope it may be of value, good posting Lew Koch, All the best…..
A day late and a dollar short…
Hi Lew, nice post about empathy. What the world needs now…
I recently caught a bit on the cuban missile crisis and how one Kennedy administrator talked K into just one more attempt at diplomacy which really addressed where Krushchev was coming from (empathy). I forget the details, but the whole thing was directed at allowing Krushchev to posture as the bigger person by backing down.
I often wonder where the brave administrators are who can really reach cheney/bush ego with a peaceful resolution to their twisted egos…
great post.