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		<title>By: Deb Tinsley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801933</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Tinsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Maybe Democratic leaders could have done a better job preparing angry party activists for the passage of the spending bill, possibly sparing Hill Democrats the nasty e-mails and angry comments on liberal blogs, but I doubt it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t understand this common whine among  the MSM and politicians about sparing “the congressman”, “senator”, “reporters” or “editors”, etc. from the commentary of the bloggers? From Joe Klein to Joe Lieberman we hear this wail.&lt;br /&gt;
Give me patience!&lt;br /&gt;
Why should we hold back our honestly held beliefs and opinions.  If they think bloggers and those who comment on the blogs are rude, one-sided, even profane, what about what they put out there? At least all the bloggers I read source their material, liberally. These pusillanimous poofs just shoot from the hip, the truth be dammed.&lt;br /&gt;
They lie, insult our intelligence and just plain get things wrong because they can’t be bothered to look up the facts. They may not use profanity as easily as some of us do, but those are the rules of their game and we aren’t playing their game any longer. It’s corrupt and rigged in their favor. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We, the people, are the ones living and dying in the mess they created, or supported, or couldn’t be bothered to report. Even when we tell them in no uncertain terms with our votes to clean it up, change course, restore the Constitution and the rule of law, they ignore us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have every reason to react passionately to the horrors, indignities and madness we’ve been subjected to over the last 6 years. We aren’t going gently into that good night. We have to kick them hard just to get their damn attention. I think we have it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Maybe Democratic leaders could have done a better job preparing angry party activists for the passage of the spending bill, possibly sparing Hill Democrats the nasty e-mails and angry comments on liberal blogs, but I doubt it.”</p>
<p>I don’t understand this common whine among  the MSM and politicians about sparing “the congressman”, “senator”, “reporters” or “editors”, etc. from the commentary of the bloggers? From Joe Klein to Joe Lieberman we hear this wail.<br />
Give me patience!<br />
Why should we hold back our honestly held beliefs and opinions.  If they think bloggers and those who comment on the blogs are rude, one-sided, even profane, what about what they put out there? At least all the bloggers I read source their material, liberally. These pusillanimous poofs just shoot from the hip, the truth be dammed.<br />
They lie, insult our intelligence and just plain get things wrong because they can’t be bothered to look up the facts. They may not use profanity as easily as some of us do, but those are the rules of their game and we aren’t playing their game any longer. It’s corrupt and rigged in their favor. </p>
<p>We, the people, are the ones living and dying in the mess they created, or supported, or couldn’t be bothered to report. Even when we tell them in no uncertain terms with our votes to clean it up, change course, restore the Constitution and the rule of law, they ignore us.</p>
<p>We have every reason to react passionately to the horrors, indignities and madness we’ve been subjected to over the last 6 years. We aren’t going gently into that good night. We have to kick them hard just to get their damn attention. I think we have it.</p>
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		<title>By: jonerik</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801414</link>
		<dc:creator>jonerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Every time I turn around, there’s another wiener like this who Broder-like is trying to tell people  not to expect their elected officials to live up to anything like their campaign promises. Broder’s solecisms come with the rest of the newspaper which I only still like because of comics, local arts coverage, theatre reviews and movie reviews. Broder’s opinion doesn’t cost any more. But what’s Rothenberg’s market. He doesn’t even have pictures. Do people pay money for this crap?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I turn around, there’s another wiener like this who Broder-like is trying to tell people  not to expect their elected officials to live up to anything like their campaign promises. Broder’s solecisms come with the rest of the newspaper which I only still like because of comics, local arts coverage, theatre reviews and movie reviews. Broder’s opinion doesn’t cost any more. But what’s Rothenberg’s market. He doesn’t even have pictures. Do people pay money for this crap?</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801408</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Internet is a “megaphone”? You mean I can turn my internet up when I’m reading “left of center” blogs and force everybody else at work to listen to my views?&lt;br /&gt;
What a whiner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet is a “megaphone”? You mean I can turn my internet up when I’m reading “left of center” blogs and force everybody else at work to listen to my views?<br />
What a whiner.</p>
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		<title>By: Hieronymus Braintree</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801394</link>
		<dc:creator>Hieronymus Braintree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A very right-on post indeed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very right-on post indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801291</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;selise:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the response.  I think the point I really want to drive home is why I called you “disingenuous”.  It’s a kind of sophistry to say that the Lobby is not an “Israeli Lobby” and that it’s not pro-Israel.  Of course its extremist views aren’t representative of all Israelis, but on the issue of Iraq it unquestionably represented the great majority of Israelis, just as it did in last year’s Lebanon atrocities when it stifled any hope of a cease-fire.  Of course, to some degree it is a lobby for generalized American militarism, but you ignore the obvious fact that it is an unquestionable asset to the Israeli state — whether under a Labor or L*k*d or national unity government — to have such influence in the U.S. Congress and Pentagon.  You may think they’re not “pro-Israeli”, but you’re in the same minority as peace activists in Israel.  It’s also disingenuous to ignore the Israeli ties that neoconservatives have (think Feith, Perle, Wurmser, Abrams, particularly), choosing only to see them as creatures of American militarism or, I guess, mere minions of Cheney and Rumsfeld:  you underestimate their bureaucratic infiltration of the Pentagon, for example, or the outright purges they’ve executed in taking over press organs like the National Review, or the WSJ and Washington Post editorial pages, or, worse, the WMD reporting in the NYT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re definitely being truthful and helpful, but you are overthinking a little.  Don’t respond to charges of anti-Semitism until they’re actually leveled at you.  You may be surprised to find they don’t come — American Jews, particularly ones who are our political allies, are not that thin-skinned and certainly don’t shy from a debate.  If charges of anti-Semitism were made against people here during the Lamont campaign, that simply demonstrates how cynically the accusation is made these days.  It should also demonstrate how that incantation has lost its magic power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your view of “anti-Semitism” as some permanent affliction that is either more or less dormant at any given time is irrational.  Things change.  Jews were not the establishment sixty years ago.  They’re part of it now, and, more importantly, they’ve participated in our culture so long and so influentially that real anti-Semitism — the kind of deeds, not thoughts — is going the way of anti-Catholicism (just as prevalent, by the way, among evangelical Protestants, by the way).  And the idea that anti-Arab bigotry is a species of “anti-Semitism” is simply a semantic contortion; accurate or not, it means in common parlance anti-Jewish.  By the way, what I found so offensive about all this manufactured hysteria about “The Passion” was that pretty much everyone who expressed their patently phoney fears about the movie (which I didn’t see) in the press were pro-war Jews (Krauthammer, Wieseltier, Ruth Himmelfarb, Anne Applebaum, others).  And somehow Mel Gibson’s “drunken anti-Semitic tirade”, which occurred during the pulverization of Lebanon, was the bigger news. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I bet we agree on something:  some Democrat has to take it to these fuckers at A*P*C, especially when they boo ours.  Call it a Sistah Souljah moment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~~~&lt;em&gt;ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.&lt;/em&gt;~~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selise:</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  I think the point I really want to drive home is why I called you “disingenuous”.  It’s a kind of sophistry to say that the Lobby is not an “Israeli Lobby” and that it’s not pro-Israel.  Of course its extremist views aren’t representative of all Israelis, but on the issue of Iraq it unquestionably represented the great majority of Israelis, just as it did in last year’s Lebanon atrocities when it stifled any hope of a cease-fire.  Of course, to some degree it is a lobby for generalized American militarism, but you ignore the obvious fact that it is an unquestionable asset to the Israeli state — whether under a Labor or L*k*d or national unity government — to have such influence in the U.S. Congress and Pentagon.  You may think they’re not “pro-Israeli”, but you’re in the same minority as peace activists in Israel.  It’s also disingenuous to ignore the Israeli ties that neoconservatives have (think Feith, Perle, Wurmser, Abrams, particularly), choosing only to see them as creatures of American militarism or, I guess, mere minions of Cheney and Rumsfeld:  you underestimate their bureaucratic infiltration of the Pentagon, for example, or the outright purges they’ve executed in taking over press organs like the National Review, or the WSJ and Washington Post editorial pages, or, worse, the WMD reporting in the NYT.</p>
<p>You’re definitely being truthful and helpful, but you are overthinking a little.  Don’t respond to charges of anti-Semitism until they’re actually leveled at you.  You may be surprised to find they don’t come — American Jews, particularly ones who are our political allies, are not that thin-skinned and certainly don’t shy from a debate.  If charges of anti-Semitism were made against people here during the Lamont campaign, that simply demonstrates how cynically the accusation is made these days.  It should also demonstrate how that incantation has lost its magic power.</p>
<p>Your view of “anti-Semitism” as some permanent affliction that is either more or less dormant at any given time is irrational.  Things change.  Jews were not the establishment sixty years ago.  They’re part of it now, and, more importantly, they’ve participated in our culture so long and so influentially that real anti-Semitism — the kind of deeds, not thoughts — is going the way of anti-Catholicism (just as prevalent, by the way, among evangelical Protestants, by the way).  And the idea that anti-Arab bigotry is a species of “anti-Semitism” is simply a semantic contortion; accurate or not, it means in common parlance anti-Jewish.  By the way, what I found so offensive about all this manufactured hysteria about “The Passion” was that pretty much everyone who expressed their patently phoney fears about the movie (which I didn’t see) in the press were pro-war Jews (Krauthammer, Wieseltier, Ruth Himmelfarb, Anne Applebaum, others).  And somehow Mel Gibson’s “drunken anti-Semitic tirade”, which occurred during the pulverization of Lebanon, was the bigger news. </p>
<p>I bet we agree on something:  some Democrat has to take it to these fuckers at A*P*C, especially when they boo ours.  Call it a Sistah Souljah moment.</p>
<p>~~~<em>ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.</em>~~~</p>
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		<title>By: LarryE</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801210</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;the Democratic left is acting much the way the Republican right has acted for decades, measuring Capitol Hill behavior against a standard of ideological purity that treats pragmatists as traitors and those who compromise as worse than the enemy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I thought that was really true, I’d be shouting “And damn well about time!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do we imagine for &lt;em&gt;one single instant&lt;/em&gt; that the right rose to power by being polite and understanding and passively accepting whatever its oh so pragmatic, oh so sensible, oh so “serious” “representatives” came up with?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have been betrayed. Up with the truth!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the Democratic left is acting much the way the Republican right has acted for decades, measuring Capitol Hill behavior against a standard of ideological purity that treats pragmatists as traitors and those who compromise as worse than the enemy</em></p>
<p>If I thought that was really true, I’d be shouting “And damn well about time!”</p>
<p>Do we imagine for <em>one single instant</em> that the right rose to power by being polite and understanding and passively accepting whatever its oh so pragmatic, oh so sensible, oh so “serious” “representatives” came up with?</p>
<p>We have been betrayed. Up with the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Pez</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801130</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Pez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remember all those columns David Brooks wrote last year about what a bunch of dangerous extremists the conservatives were for supporting Steve Laffey’s primary challenge to Lincoln Chafee?  He was quite eloquent on the subject, as I’m sure you’ll all recall.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember all those columns David Brooks wrote last year about what a bunch of dangerous extremists the conservatives were for supporting Steve Laffey’s primary challenge to Lincoln Chafee?  He was quite eloquent on the subject, as I’m sure you’ll all recall.</p>
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		<title>By: MCD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-801025</link>
		<dc:creator>MCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, I just read Broder and steam is coming out of my ears!!  (I know, I’m late for breakfast.)  The last paragraph left me gasping for breath.  He comes right out and says it is perfectly O.K. for our leaders to lie to and manipulate us… they know what is best!  Right to your face!  Like you are stupid, stupid people and you should just trust that the elite know what is best for you!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Un-@#%25@#%25&quot;&gt;Un-@#%@#%&lt;/a&gt; believable!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I just read Broder and steam is coming out of my ears!!  (I know, I’m late for breakfast.)  The last paragraph left me gasping for breath.  He comes right out and says it is perfectly O.K. for our leaders to lie to and manipulate us… they know what is best!  Right to your face!  Like you are stupid, stupid people and you should just trust that the elite know what is best for you!<br />
<a href="mailto:Un-@#%25@#%25">Un-@#%@#%</a> believable!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-800942</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-800846&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 152&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But let’s do everything in our power not to get fatally fatalistic.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amen to that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-800846"><em>mui @ 152</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>But let’s do everything in our power not to get fatally fatalistic.</p>
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<p>amen to that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/07/05/wake-up-and-smell-the-obvious/#comment-800938</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-800798&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 143&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think we must be setting off filters in 5 different ways or something.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yes, many apologies to the mods.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;(((((&lt;/b&gt;mods&lt;b&gt;)))))&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-800798"><em>mui @ 143</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think we must be setting off filters in 5 different ways or something.</p>
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<p>yes, many apologies to the mods.</p>
<p><b>(((((</b>mods<b>)))))</b></p>
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